1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: High Strange is released weekly every Thursday, brought to you 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: absolutely free, but if you want to bene the whole season, 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: it's available right now on Apple Podcasts for all Tenderfoot 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: plus subscribers. You'll also get exclusive bonus episodes throughout the season. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: For more information, check out the show notes. Enjoy the episode. 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: The heart of Projects Strat is the broadcast operation. There 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: are sixty thousand volts running through his basement, powering a 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: signal that's been straight out into space. The possibility that 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: something out there might hear and perhaps respond, keeps John going. 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: Sending out a signal, trying out a lure, trying to 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: get more information by luring the men close enough to 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: get accurate electronic measurements. Contacted our local sheriffs department. They 13 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: sent out a deputy. I showed them on the soil 14 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: skull screen what was coming on? There shouldn't be that 15 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: other frequency in there. 16 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 4: That's not part of it. 17 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: Something caused that amount of energy. 18 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 4: I think something was attractive. 19 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 5: Welcome the High Strange. 20 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 6: There is nothing wrong with your television sector. You are 21 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 6: about to participate in a great adventure. You are about 22 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 6: to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the 23 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 6: inner mind to the outer limits. 24 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: The series of the Outer Limits back in sixty five 25 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: sixty seven, the pilot episode called the Galaxy Being This 26 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: the most incredible episode to spark your imagination. Top ten 27 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 3: tunes brought to you by your boy buddy two oh 28 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: on your radio dial. The guy worked at the radio 29 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: station as at Tech. There's a transmitter shed back of 30 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: the station. 31 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 5: My name is Alan Maxwell. 32 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 7: I am transmitting from a station on the third planet 33 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 7: in the Solar System. 34 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: He had to set up to send signals through the 35 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: galaxy in the deep space. 36 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 7: I am scanning the microwaves coming from somewhere beyond the 37 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 7: constellation of Vegasus. 38 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 4: And had this big glass chamber. 39 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: You'd see these a psiloscope images and then you'd start 40 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: to hear a voice come. 41 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 6: Through planets beyond said pools. 42 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: Its ghostly being with spots all over it that would 43 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: appear inside this glass chamber. 44 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 8: You must explore, you must reach out. 45 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: I thought, what a great idea. 46 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: Is the power of a radio station to reach out 47 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: beyond the Earth in. 48 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 4: The space to see if there's something out there. 49 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 6: We now returned control of your television set to you 50 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 6: until next week. At the same time when the control 51 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 6: voice will take you to the outer limits. 52 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: It was all science fiction up that point in time, 53 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: but that really set my mind a blaze. I was 54 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: working as a kid in a camera shop, and they 55 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: couldn't resist going to military surplus places in Detroit and 56 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: getting parts to build things. Learn how to look circuits 57 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: together and meters and get lights of flash and things 58 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: like that. I'd love to electronics. I love building big systems, 59 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: making it all work, figuring out how to solve the 60 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: technical problems to make these things work. 61 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 5: What were you building, did you know or were you 62 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 5: just going to explore. 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: Or trying to duplicate that transmitter? I think in my 64 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: back of my mind wasn't long before I was building 65 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: more sophisticated equipment machines that could do something right. Around 66 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: seventy three, in northern Michigan, there's starting to be UFO reports, 67 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: all kinds of unidentified lights in the sky, objects, things 68 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: coming down and hovering. 69 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 5: It was really weird. 70 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: I got to see some of the sheriff's supports in 71 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: the Antre County Sheriff's Department, and they were interesting. I 72 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: heard a tape interview they did with a fellow and 73 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 3: was pretty intense. 74 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 4: The thing came. 75 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 3: Down hovered right over the roadway between Shandy Creek and 76 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 3: Shush Mountain. It caused his electrical systemized truck to fail. 77 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: During that time, I started thinking more about building some 78 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 3: equipment to could send signals out into space. It wasn't 79 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: long before I built the first transmitter. It was a 80 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 3: high boldage output had a vertical direction so it would 81 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: point up into the sky. Started in my bedroom and 82 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 3: then it filled that Flora Saly started building bigger equipment, 83 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: much larger and much more power. 84 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 5: It got pretty big. 85 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: Four hundred pound transformers and big converters and bullege regulators 86 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: to story high one hundred and fifty thousand banks at 87 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: power amps to produce the power the frequency of audio. 88 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: To get a signal out for a greater distance, throwing 89 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: out a lure seven to a signal, try and attract 90 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: the intelligences behind these aerial craft, trying to lower them 91 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: in to get a closer look at them. 92 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 4: That signal may be picked up. 93 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 3: There's a possibility that they could detect it, and that 94 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: possibility is there, It's worth trying trying to get more 95 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 3: information by luring the men close enough to get accurate 96 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: electronic measurements, some hard data, something on instruments, data to learn. 97 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 4: That's what projects travels. 98 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: Inspired by science fiction, John Shepper was determined to send 99 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: a signal into the universe and make contact with alien life. 100 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: John showed me an old photo album of all of 101 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: his enormous machines. By the way, you could tell, the 102 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: process he went through to build it all was truly 103 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: a massive undertaking literally hundreds of switches, knobs and cables, 104 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: different screens measuring signals. It looked like a Steven Spielberg 105 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: movie set, except it was all real. He named the 106 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: operation Project Strat, and when the neighbors caught win of 107 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: his colossal homemade laboratory, the local news that has bought 108 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: light piece on him. Everyone around him, like me today, 109 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: was fascinated by it all. 110 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: The heart of Project Stratt is the broadcast operation. There 111 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 2: are sixty thousand volts running through his basement, powering a 112 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: signal that's being straight out into space. Every day, John 113 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: beams two signals out into space, one a digital pulset 114 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: cook and the other a live radio show. 115 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: Project STRAT, which stamps for Special Gelemetry Research and Tracking, 116 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: which is an acronym for the technology and what we 117 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: were trying to do. I took music and put it 118 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: through huge power amps, very clean power amps that have 119 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: a lot of power, eight to twelve hours a day 120 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 3: of music broadcast, sending out something of our culture to 121 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: see if it would attract them closer to where I 122 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: was doing. 123 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 4: This from. 124 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: John's broadcast operation bore a striking resemblance to Nicola Tesla 125 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: in eighteen ninety six. Tesla, one of history's most famous inventors, 126 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: also where Elon got the name from, was doing his 127 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: own high voltage experiments in the late eighteen hundreds. He 128 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: made large power transmission towers that could produce artificial lightning 129 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: and monitored signals in space. Tesla once wrote in his diary, quote, 130 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 1: my first observations positively terrified me, as there was present 131 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: in them something mysterious. The feeling is constantly growing on 132 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: me that I've been the first to hear the greeting 133 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: from one planet to another. He firmly believed that he 134 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: made contact of his own with something else out there 135 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: in the universe. In nineteen seventy two, at the height 136 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: of John's operation in rural Michigan, all of a sudden, 137 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: there was a series of strange sightings in the sky 138 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: throughout the entire state. Reports were piling in to local 139 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: police departments of flying saucers. Simultaneously, John's machine began picking 140 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: up frequencies that were not normal at all. 141 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: They were getting reports at that time of objects in 142 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 3: the area detected electromagnetic sturbances coming in over the power 143 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: lines that were never there before. Contacted our local sheriff's department. 144 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: They signed out a deputy. I showed him on the 145 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 3: Soell scope screen what was coming on. Kind have a 146 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 3: sixty per frequency there, and then you have something like 147 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: one twenty fading in and fading out over the top 148 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: of that. It shouldn't be getting one hundred and twenty 149 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy hertz that strong when you're running 150 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: a sixty artz system. There shouldn't be that other frequency 151 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: in there. That's not part of it, doesn't belong there, 152 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: simple as that. Something had to cause it, because it's 153 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: normally not there. It just doesn't appear out of nowhere. 154 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 5: So what theoretically could be causing that. 155 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 3: The thing I thought it might have been was UFOs 156 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: in the area of one or two of whatever. 157 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 4: I don't know how many were there the. 158 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 3: Magnetic fields emitted by these craft moving over power lines 159 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 3: inducing that magnetic field, and the instruments were picking it up. 160 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 3: Had to be something that caused that amount of energy. 161 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: It was circumstantial. Sure, can't prove it, but it was 162 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: occurring simultaneously of objects in there. So we add two 163 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: and two together, maybe you get four. I think something 164 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 3: was attractive. 165 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: Did John really attract some aliens that night? Did he 166 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: finally accomplish his goal? John himself seems to think so. 167 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: Humans they are great explorers the curiosity. You want to 168 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: explore what's below the ocean, what's up in the sky, 169 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 3: what's at the top of that mountain over there. You 170 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: have to keep an open mind. We propagate the species, propagate. 171 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 4: Look at the Earth. How many forms of life there are? 172 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: It's infinite. 173 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: That infinity in the size of the universe, and the 174 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: galaxy is in it, and all the worlds that are 175 00:10:54,800 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: in there. The possibility life, some kind of life astronomical, 176 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: the possibility is there. 177 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 4: Keep an open mind here. 178 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: If we think we're the only things in this whole 179 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: huge galaxy or universe, oh it's a big waste of space. 180 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: It would seem kind of strange. We can't be the 181 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: only ones, and the more you search, you may end 182 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: up with more questions and answers. But what answers you 183 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: do get are going to open your horizons of knowledge, 184 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: and knowledge is an important. 185 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 5: Thing for us. 186 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: All the whole time we were talking with John, we 187 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: were surrounded by all kinds of fun synthesizers and different 188 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: musical instruments. So I asked if you could show us 189 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: around a bit and maybe play something for us. 190 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 4: It's amazing what you can do with synthesizers. 191 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: That's all kinds of effects. 192 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 5: Space music. The sound seem to come from all around 193 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 5: us in the room. 194 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 3: That is a real dream machine for creating totally exotic sounds. 195 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 4: And you want to go exotic, you work with one 196 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 4: of those. 197 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: As I'm hearing this strange music, I can see shelves 198 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: upon shelves of books about aliens, old pictures of John, 199 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: and magazines. Not to mention, the speakers themselves also looked 200 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: like aliens. 201 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: Sound cells is the name I gave them, But they're 202 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: handmade and they're made with two by ten wood, but 203 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: inside I put high power, really good quality ten inch wolfers. 204 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: He played us some of his original music which he 205 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: has uploaded to band camp. You can check it out 206 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: yourself at John Scott Shephard dot bandcamp dot com. I 207 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: also put the link in the episode description, Oh my 208 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: husband's home high honey sound band, I think in here 209 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: where we're here nerding out over? 210 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 4: Oh, it's been so much fun, the whole thing. 211 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, for financial reasons, John eventually had to dismantle his operation, 212 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: putting most of his old equipment in storage. But five 213 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: years later, in nineteen seventy seven, someone else received the 214 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: same puzzling frequencies that John did. The Ohio State University 215 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: Radio Observatory, also known as Big EAR, received a strange 216 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: signal of their own. One day, an astronomer was reviewing 217 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: the computer printouts when they noticed a loud two minute 218 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: transmission that was extremely powerful, So powerful that he circled 219 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: the readout in red pen and wrote wow. And it's 220 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: now known as the Wow signal. Nice. Ohio State University 221 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: ultimately determined the signal was not from a satellite, any 222 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: military craft, commercial aircraft, or broadcast stations, just a weird, 223 00:13:52,320 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: loud signal from deep space that remains unexplained to this day. 224 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: The UFO topic has clearly attracted a wide array of 225 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: interesting people over the years because it sits right on 226 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: the friends of real world science and flat out conspiracy theory. 227 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: The range of eclectic characters you get with this subject 228 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: is absolutely fascinating. After a meeting with John Shephard, I 229 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: felt compelled to go down this road a little further 230 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: and explore the lives of other interesting people in this realm. 231 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 5: Just how weird does it get? 232 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 6: You? 233 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 5: Guys? Tell me if he bites me? Okay? 234 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: Oh? 235 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 5: Why? 236 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: That is a big ass alligator and that is not 237 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: a sound effect. 238 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 9: People think alligators are dumb, but they're actually one of 239 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 9: the smartest animals. 240 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: It's actually the same alligator from the Adam Sandler movie 241 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: Happy Gilmour, the one that bit Chubb's handoff. 242 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 5: I peach ups. 243 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 4: You could actually come in here and pet him and 244 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 4: he wouldn't mind. 245 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 9: But he remembers the days when I used to catch 246 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 9: him to move. 247 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 10: Him around or at a cold. 248 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 5: I am a con him in eight years. But he 249 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 5: holds a drout. 250 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: You remember Scota go boy? 251 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 8: Yeah you. 252 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 5: Oh boy? 253 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, as you are. 254 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: If you were to drop me here randomly with no context, 255 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: I would never in a million years think that I 256 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: was here to talk about UFOs. 257 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 9: We are in the mystic San Luis Valley. 258 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: This is Jay Young, the one who tricked me into 259 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: getting way too close to that alligator. 260 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 9: The San Luis Valley is eight thousand square miles, which 261 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 9: is roughly the size of Massachusetts. This place is known 262 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 9: as Colorado Gator's Reptile Park. It was begun in nineteen 263 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 9: seventy seven as a tilapia farm by my parents are 264 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 9: Winning then Young. What makes it possible is access to 265 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 9: geothermal water. We got some alligators to be garbage disposals 266 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 9: for the fish in nineteen eighty seven. They got big. 267 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 9: People wanted to see them. So now we're a tourist 268 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 9: attraction that does animal education. 269 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 4: And animal rescue. 270 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 9: Surrounded by fourteen thousand foot peaks, it is the largest 271 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 9: alpine valley in the world, and it is now known 272 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 9: as the Mystic Sandlos Valley because it's a mystic place. 273 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm here in southern Colorado because for literally thousands of 274 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: years there have been more reports of unidentified flying objects 275 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: than almost any other place in the country. 276 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 9: This valley has had so many sidings, there's been books 277 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 9: written about it, and I've had half a dozen unexplained sidings, 278 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 9: or more myself. All the experiences I've had have been different. 279 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 9: Strange things happen and I can't explain them. 280 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, this seems to be a UFO hotspot. 281 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it's the good weed out here, or maybe the 282 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: sky's just more open and you can actually see th. 283 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 4: I was a big skeptic. I didn't believe much. 284 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 9: It was always easily explained. Until I was about twenty 285 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 9: five years old, there was no earthly explanation for what 286 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 9: we saw. Cliff and I were driving to Alamosa from 287 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 9: the Alligator Farm off to the west, over the San 288 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 9: Juan Mountains. There we saw these strange silver objects, giant 289 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 9: silver needles, floating in the sky, parallel to each other, 290 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 9: but not perpendicular to the earth. You see right there, 291 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 9: see those mountains. That peak is over seven thousand feet 292 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 9: taller than where we are. These silver objects were almost 293 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 9: as tall as the mountains, so they were about five 294 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 9: thousand feet tall, and as the sun went down, they 295 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 9: descended down, and had they been made out of metal, 296 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 9: they would have hit the mountain and stopped and fallen 297 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 9: over or something like that. They just disappeared into the mountain. 298 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 9: It was like some weird refraction of light to another 299 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 9: dimension or something. 300 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 8: I don't know. 301 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 9: I never even heard of anything like that before. After that, 302 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 9: I was more open to believing things and not being 303 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 9: as much of a skeptic. 304 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 5: It opened up the. 305 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 9: Possibility that there's a lot out there that we don't understand. 306 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 9: You just have to take it with a grain of salt. 307 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 9: You weren't there, you didn't experience it. You might not 308 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 9: believe me because you didn't see what I saw. 309 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: I know what I saw. 310 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 9: The older you get, the more you realize that you 311 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 9: didn't know anything, and now you know less than nothing. 312 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 9: We know more about the surface of the Moon than 313 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 9: we do the bottom of the ocean. We're finding new 314 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 9: species of animals all the time. We know so little 315 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 9: about our own planet. It's just inconceivable to think that 316 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 9: we know what's out there beyond our planet. It's just 317 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 9: ludicrous to think that we're the only intelligence species in 318 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 9: the universe. Did we even consider ourselves intelligent? I try 319 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 9: to keep an open mind. I'm a skeptic, I guess 320 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 9: even now, but I know there's things I've seen that 321 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 9: are not explainable through any conventional means. Most sightings are explainable, 322 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 9: but not all of them are. This valley has had 323 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 9: so many sightings Judy built a UFO watchtower here. 324 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: The real reason I came all the way out to 325 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: the Mystic Valley of Colorado is to visit their world 326 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: famous UFO watchtower. This is the UFO Watchtower, about a 327 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: five minutes drive down the street. Is a metal, two 328 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: story structure made simply for viewing the sky. The watchtower 329 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: has a complete three sixty view of the valley. If 330 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: you followed my other podcasts, you might remember I came 331 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: here for a brief moment in twenty nineteen during Up 332 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: and Vanas season two, Crystal Anne Risinger went missing from 333 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: the small town of Crestone, about fifteen minutes from here. 334 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 11: We've had sightings during the day as well as at night. 335 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 11: Everybody thinks it has to be at night, and it doesn't. 336 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 11: If you look up, you're going to see something bizarre. 337 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 11: It's just that simple. My name is Judy mess Line. 338 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 11: I moved to the valley to raise cattle and horses, 339 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 11: but from the time we had moved here, all we 340 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 11: heard were UFO stories from the locals. They've had documented 341 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 11: sightings in this valley since the fifteen hundreds. One of 342 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 11: the farmers was in one day and he said, you 343 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 11: know what, Judy, you need to put up that UFO watchtower. 344 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 4: You've giggled about it. 345 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 11: You'd have fun. Well, I've had twenty two years worth 346 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 11: of fun. 347 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 5: I mean it is fun. 348 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: The size of the sky compared to the watchtower in 349 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: this valley, surrounded by fourteen thousand foot mountains, really puts 350 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: some perspective how small we are. 351 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 11: The best idea I had in this world was putting 352 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 11: this up because I've gotten to meet so many neat people, 353 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 11: and most of the folks who come in here are 354 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 11: open minded. 355 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 5: Can you recall your first UFO sighting? 356 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 11: Yes, it was between here and the mountains in part 357 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 11: way down I called a cigar shaped. It was narrow 358 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 11: and really long, and it went zip like that. That 359 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 11: was eleven o'clock at night. We had over a dozen 360 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 11: people here. Everybody saw it. 361 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 4: What was it? 362 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 11: That's what we keep saying, What the heck was it? 363 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 11: I myself have seen thirty There's some people you know 364 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 11: that are really skeptical. 365 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: I don't blame them. 366 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 11: I mean, unless you've seen something yourself, it's hard to 367 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 11: believe that something is going on. There's people who think. 368 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 4: That we are it. 369 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 11: Well, if we are, that's a sad state of affairs. 370 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 11: We can't just be it. There has to be life 371 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 11: someplace else. It says in the Bible that God made 372 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 11: the heavens and the earth. Well, if he made us, 373 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 11: he definitely made them. After having this open for a 374 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 11: month and hardly anybody came, and you know, I'd done 375 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 11: over two hundred and fifty radio interviews before opening, expecting 376 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 11: the cars to be lined up to come in here, 377 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 11: well they weren't. So I got out front here one 378 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 11: day and I just yelled, all all right, you guys, 379 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 11: this was your big idea. I need help. I need 380 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 11: at least one hundred dollars a day. From that day forward, 381 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 11: I did one hundred a day. When the Psyche started coming, 382 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 11: they said that we needed to put in the garden 383 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 11: for a place for people to go sit, relax and meditate. 384 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 11: Then folks started heading to it, and now we've got 385 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 11: thousands of things out there. 386 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 5: So what kinds of things do people lead in this garden? 387 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 5: Whatever is in their car? 388 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 11: I can't believe what people pull out of their cars, 389 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 11: Like that stove door from you see it there it's 390 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 11: an antique off of. 391 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 5: A wood burning stove. 392 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 11: You know, there's stories with some of this stuff. Some 393 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 11: young people who came in and said, our mother totally 394 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 11: believed in UFOs and aliens. She was killed in a 395 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 11: motorcycle accident. We're leaving a motorcycle helmet in the garden. 396 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 11: I've got another guy. He was in yesterday or day before, anyway, 397 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 11: he left the ashes from his dog. Lots of folks 398 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 11: come and leave ashes from their loved ones. There's been 399 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 11: so many people who have benefited from this garden, and 400 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 11: I have people who come just to ask for help here. 401 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 11: There was a fellow that I knew over in Colorado Springs. 402 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 11: He called me and he said, do you remember this 403 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 11: Hispanic lady coming there with her family. I remembered. They 404 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 11: helped her get out of the car. She could hardly 405 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 11: even walk, and they took her out here and put 406 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 11: her on the bench over here, and they were there 407 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 11: for a long time, and it was like they were praying, 408 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 11: you know. And he said, well, she swears to God 409 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 11: that your garden healed her cancer. And I said, Hallelujah, 410 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 11: praise the Lord, because I certainly hope that's what happened. 411 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 11: People believe in this garden, they really do, and they 412 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 11: most of them take it serious, you know, which is good. 413 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 11: I'm glad. The extraterrestrials as a whole have some healing powers. 414 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 11: If people would just open themselves up with love, they'd 415 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 11: find out them. 416 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 5: Love is the whole key. 417 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 11: And when you see a UFO, you should send love 418 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 11: and light to them to let them know that they 419 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 11: are welcome. They say that it's a portal to a 420 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 11: parallel universe and it's full of energy, and these are 421 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 11: energy for Texas. We've got two of them out front here. 422 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 11: So if you need any type of help in your life, 423 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 11: you're to go in the garden and ask for it. 424 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 11: The psychics told me that the Palladians are here to 425 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 11: protect the entrances to the vortexas the Pladians, they'll help, 426 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 11: and they're extraterrestrial, and they say that this whole place 427 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 11: here is protected by the Pladians. I believe that. I 428 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 11: totally believe it because we haven't had anything really bad 429 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 11: happen here. I've had some statues stolen, but that's kids. 430 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 11: So I'm very grateful. I'm very grateful. 431 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 5: Have you ever seen an alien. 432 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 4: Now just didn't. 433 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 11: In my head, I kind of picture what it looked like. Yeah, 434 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 11: you know, I do believe that they are here. I 435 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 11: really do. And we can't see them there in another dimension, 436 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 11: but I feel that they are here protecting good. I 437 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 11: need protection. 438 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: So if I wanted to walk into the garden today 439 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: and ask for some sort of healing, how would I 440 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: do that? 441 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 11: You just go in there and ask. It's just that simple. 442 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 5: All right, Let's see what this garden can do. 443 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 11: People leave things out here to get their energy here 444 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 11: as well, because they are energy vortex as. I even 445 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 11: have folks who come and lay down in the garden 446 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 11: to soak up the energy. And it's funny. In one 447 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 11: area over here, when you lay down, it feels like 448 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 11: you're getting pulled down, kind of crazy. That's right over here. 449 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 11: That's where the compass goes nuts. You can stand here 450 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 11: and the compass says that north is where north is 451 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 11: supposed to be, and you move over there and north 452 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 11: goes east. 453 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: I regret to admit that unfortunately I do not own 454 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: a compass, but my iPhone as one. Maybe it's not 455 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: the most scientifically accurate way to measure this, but let's 456 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: just entertain. 457 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 4: It for a second. 458 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 5: Okay, compass app is open. It's like, this is north, 459 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 5: which seems to be correct. 460 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: I pulled out the compass apps walker, stood still and 461 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: turned slowly until it. 462 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 5: Locked into North. Still says North. As I crept. 463 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: Forward in a straight line, keeping the compass aligned with North, 464 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: the arrow would start spinning around. 465 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 5: North is like shifting. 466 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: I reset and did it several times until I found 467 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: the precise point where it seemed to all go haywire. 468 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 5: I've not moved my phone at all, and it's saying 469 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 5: North is this way. 470 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, when you stepped into this specific spot 471 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: would start spinning around. 472 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 5: It's right and here weird. 473 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I have no clue what this means, 474 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: but it was a fun little experiment. 475 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 12: There's just this range of attitudes towards this. I think 476 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 12: you're going to always have that. I think there are 477 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 12: people that will never believe it because they don't want 478 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 12: to believe it no matter what. 479 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 5: You tell them. Here's investigative journalist Leslie Kane. 480 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 12: There's all kinds of reasons that people will not believe it. 481 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 12: And then there's all these true believers who have been 482 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 12: believing things for seventy years that we have no way 483 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 12: of proving just absolute true believers on the opposite side 484 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 12: of the spectrum who just want to believe everything be 485 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 12: nice if there was this sort of steady center, which 486 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 12: we have more of now than we did before twenty seventeen, 487 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 12: for sure, And I think the more that comes out, 488 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 12: the more people will be drawn to that because they'll 489 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 12: be willing to accept official scientific data. There are plenty 490 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 12: of people that don't. I mean, there are people that 491 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 12: don't accept data, such as who won the election. You know, 492 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 12: people can just choose what they want to believe and 493 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 12: don't believe. I'm not a psychologist, but I think fear, 494 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 12: perhaps if they're really really frightened of what this might mean, 495 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 12: it's too much of a threat to their psychology or 496 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 12: their religion or their way of looking at the world. 497 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 12: Probably that's what underlies it all, is some kind of 498 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 12: fear of it. People's belief systems, their whole identity is 499 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 12: tied up with their belief system. 500 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: In a world already so polarized, how is anyone going 501 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: to be convinced what's true and what's not anymore? And 502 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, what does it actually take a part 503 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: of me honestly feels like at this point, an actual, 504 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: literal alien spaceship could land on the White House lawn, 505 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: little green men stepping out and shaking their President's hand 506 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: on live national television, and that still wouldn't do it 507 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: For some people. And I'm not even saying they're wrong 508 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: in thinking that way. That would be a little suspicious. 509 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: But my point is, even if something that insane happened, 510 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: as a society, we'd probably still be split on it, 511 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: those who believe that what they're seeing is real and 512 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: true and those who think it's all part of some 513 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: bigger conspiracy. For some of us out there, even when 514 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: shown the evidence of anything, it still isn't enough. The 515 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: only way to really convince anybody of anything in twenty 516 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: twenty three is to experience something firsthand yourself. 517 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 8: People have belief systems when it comes to usos. 518 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 5: Here's Politico journalist Brian Bender. 519 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 8: Very difficult to change their minds. I found that when 520 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 8: I went to Roswell, I had never been to Roswell, 521 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 8: and it's like going to like a religious festival. It's 522 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 8: not religion in the way we think that people innately 523 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 8: believe certain things, and no matter how much you'd say, well, hey, 524 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 8: what about this, keep an open mind. It's like, now 525 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 8: the government has alien bodies and they're in Area fifty one, 526 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 8: and you can't tell me otherwise. 527 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 4: I'm innately curious about the world around us. 528 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 8: I mean, we've been exploring our own planet pretty much 529 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 8: since the beginning. It's only natural that we started thinking about, well, 530 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 8: what else is out there? It's our DNA. It is 531 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 8: that thing that we see in the night that we 532 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 8: can't explain, maybe from some other place. And I think 533 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 8: our popular culture reflects our DNA, but then also takes 534 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 8: it up a level. A lot of us are conditioned 535 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 8: to believe things that aren't really objectively provable, yet we 536 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 8: believe them anyway. 537 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 5: But that's true of religion too, right. 538 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 8: I mean, a lot of people are religious and they 539 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 8: believe in things that you can't see or feel or understand. Necessarily. 540 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 8: This problem that I think exists in the world, but 541 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 8: it exists in the UFO world even more, which is, 542 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 8: for lack of a better term, Charlatan's who purposely put 543 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 8: out misleading, fake stuff. 544 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 4: Just to get a rise, just to get clicks. 545 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 8: A lot of them are just out to sort of 546 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 8: make a buck, and they don't really care about the 547 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 8: facts what's true. That just makes it all that much 548 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 8: harder for the people that really want to try and 549 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 8: get some answers. What is a good case, what is not, 550 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 8: what's made up? What's maybe half true but the other 551 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 8: half is kind of taken on a life of a tone. 552 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: The topic of UFOs is so nuanced today, more so 553 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: than ever, we have the tendency to boil it down 554 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: to something so black and white. I believe or I 555 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: don't believe, And until any of us have an experience 556 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: of our own that challenges what we know, understand, or 557 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: believe in, it's going to be hard for a lot 558 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: of us to get there. Trying to siphon the credible 559 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: stories from the deep muddy waters of the UFO subject 560 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: is incredibly hard, and trust me, I've been doing it 561 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: myself now for over a year and it hasn't gotten 562 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: any easier. You don't have to go far on the 563 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 1: Internet to find people who claim they've seen aliens up 564 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: close in person in the sky or on the side 565 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: of the road, usually at night, in a. 566 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 5: Grainy, flip foam video. 567 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: Even though it's twenty twenty three and it would be 568 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: stupid to just blindly believe everything you see and read 569 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: all the time, right, But for the ones that have 570 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: the most evidence of something truly strange happening, accounts from 571 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: otherwise seemingly ordinary people, you can't just immediately shoot those 572 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: down either. For me, one of the general rules of 573 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: thumb is the amount of people who saw it who 574 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: weren't on drugs, leaving a grateful dead concert. A large 575 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: group of people who actually saw the same exact thing 576 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: as a journalist, to me, that's a story. It's something 577 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: to investigate. Do their eyewitness accounts add up? Is the 578 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: timing the same? Do they have physical proof of what 579 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: they saw? Imagine a valley full of people all seeing 580 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: a huge spacecraft flying over Phoenix, Arizona, their phones and 581 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: cameras all capturing the same thing, A bright, colossal craft 582 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: just floating there in the sky. Sometimes fact is stranger 583 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: than fiction. The Phoenix Light this is nineteen ninety seven. 584 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 8: Over the course of much of the day, thousands and thousands. 585 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 4: Of people claimed to have seen the same thing. 586 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: Witnesses first part of the craft in Nevada at seven 587 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: to fifty five pm that night, Then twenty minutes later, 588 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: a former police officer reported seeing it over two hundred 589 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: miles southeast and from there the calls around Phoenix started 590 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: rolling in. 591 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 8: A lot of the testimony is similar at very dark, 592 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 8: triangular shaped craft with lights along it, very large, totally quiet, 593 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 8: made no noise, and no seeming engines or propulsion system. 594 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 8: The governor of Arizona saw it and was willing to 595 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 8: talk about it. 596 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: The Governor of Arizona held a press conference about it. 597 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: He actually brought out one of his aids in an 598 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: alien costume, making light of the situation. But a decade 599 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: later even he said on CNN that he actually believes 600 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: it was quote some form of alien spacecraft. Something strange 601 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: happened in the sky over Arizona that still hasn't been 602 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: fully explained, and in reality, we may never know exactly 603 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: what happened that night. 604 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 8: America West pilots flying into Phoenix Airport, Man, nothing is huge. 605 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 8: What the hell is that I could land on it? 606 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: There's these lights, six lights and the shape of a 607 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: triangle right over the airport. 608 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 4: The actor Kurt Russell. 609 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: According to him, he was about a half mile from 610 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: landing his plane when his son asked him what these 611 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: strange lights were in the sky. Russell looked over and 612 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: saw six bright lights in a V shape coming his direction. 613 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: He called the tower to report it, and they responded 614 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: saying they saw nothing on their radar. 615 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 8: Evidence is not proof, right, It's just more data, it's 616 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 8: more facts. But I think the more they pile up 617 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 8: and the more they match. I think the question of 618 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 8: evidence is at the heart of all of this audio video. 619 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 8: Talking about it in national security terms, not talking about 620 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 8: it in science fiction terms. As a journalist, I'm always 621 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 8: interested in what did they say the day they saw it. 622 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: One of the most credible accounts of a UFO siding 623 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: I found actually happened in more recent history. This particular 624 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: incident was recorded live as it was happening in December 625 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety four. The accounts of dozens of witnesses, 626 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: most of which police officers, were captured on tape at 627 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: the nine one one Dispatch Center in Trumbull County, Ohio. 628 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: Through Fouer requests, I've been able to obtain the actual 629 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: tape from that night. 630 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:43,919 Speaker 11: Can I dispatched my health? 631 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 6: Okay? 632 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 9: Who she is? 633 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 7: I mean? 634 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 5: I got a first view where I'm asked. I just 635 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 5: can't quite make it astromize an ocular. I came down 636 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 5: it just duped over it with a big glowing object. 637 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: Roy Anne Randolph was working as the nine one one 638 00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: dispatcher that night. 639 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 13: We started getting a couple of phone calls about people 640 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 13: who were seeing a light in the sky. Then the 641 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 13: calls became more and more frequent. 642 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: For hours, she was fielding chaotic calls from residents and 643 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: police officers throughout the entire county. 644 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 13: I where a guy orror called in on an unidentified 645 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 13: object ever liberty or. 646 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 11: Call I for all on an unidentified flying objecting basketball. 647 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 5: Gas fucker has not moved. 648 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 10: He could find like up in the air, falling and 649 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 10: getting hurt their way from me, I couldee a red 650 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 10: glow up the guy. 651 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 11: With huge I heard about ten other people were to 652 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 11: go swearing up and now they hat UFO. 653 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 8: Thought there I watched it. That haven't gone any direction 654 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 8: since I. 655 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 13: Haven't watched it, And all of a sudden other police 656 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 13: units in the general vicinity start seeing it. 657 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 5: Well, watching it right through the pasty field. 658 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 4: You're kis turned to But what did you really think 659 00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 4: it was? 660 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 9: I don't know any AIRMENY came a convict he whatever 661 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 9: hate the pig, and I could pet. 662 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 7: I put the avenue on the other pride. 663 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 2: I couldn't like. 664 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 5: Fop in that air. 665 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 13: These are seasoned police officers, fifteen year officers, people who 666 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 13: have great credibility, and now they're seeing some things. I 667 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 13: would like to think it could have been something from 668 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:21,959 Speaker 13: the air base. 669 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 4: Do you know if anything that should be in our 670 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 4: air bake at times of. 671 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 6: The ground Look at the fred belt, But no, I 672 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 6: go like from my own diameter or a young knocking out. 673 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 5: There oat O create through mis on oscular but I 674 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 5: can't quite make it out. His favorite color from white, 675 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 5: the red, the green. There's colors of plants, pile fuck 676 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 5: that has not loved. 677 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: One officer in particular was dispatched to be first on 678 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: the scene. 679 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,919 Speaker 10: As I was en wrapped, five or six calls start 680 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 10: coming in. 681 00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 14: By a huge light in the sky. I was at 682 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 14: a stop sign. A big beam of light came upon 683 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 14: my vehicle. 684 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 5: All at once. 685 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 14: My car, shut off, my computer, my radio. I saw 686 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 14: a huge light in the sky just hit in my car. 687 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 14: I had no idea what it was. I slammed my 688 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 14: car in the park, got out of the car. 689 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 10: There was no sound. I couldn't hear anything. It lit 690 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 10: this whole street up, discovering there no sound. 691 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 5: Oh my god, I hope that's Applian for you. 692 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 10: Oh Gie, I please you Appliant Hall, please find You're ready. 693 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 8: For this ship. 694 00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 5: Space Wait, that's your name? Inhabitat lit smoke Weed play, 695 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 5: did take a lean It she been on g This 696 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 5: is a bean bag. I've been going Gene because a 697 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 5: cool right now. She was over penning up. 698 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 9: I've been talking Yo Japan in the bends of super 699 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 9: T shirt sleeve, budding top turn of vert riding. 700 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 5: Then you whether you gotta bend down and saying the parapet. 701 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 5: We's been a doncom and good sweaters. John Na and 702 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 5: nine helped. 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