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Speaker 1: Welcome at Lake Kick is Live.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday night, April twenty first, the year of

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Speaker 2: Our Lord, twenty twenty two, mathematically impossible for us to

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Speaker 2: get to the end of this show tonight, and I

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Speaker 2: still have as many friends as I do at this

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Speaker 2: very moment in times, so I'm gonna soak this in

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Speaker 2: while I can't, because it's gonna be one of those

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Speaker 2: shows tonight. The thumbnail says no holds barred, and we

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Speaker 2: will not bar any holds. We got a mail bag

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Speaker 2: that I think is as wide arranging as we've ever had.

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Speaker 2: A lot of Q and a tonight nothing is off limits.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a good one.

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Speaker 2: A lot of shows out there taking some vacation. Jesse

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Speaker 2: told me we have seventy graphics in tonight's show alone.

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Speaker 2: We've never had to show this jam pack. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what it is about this particular Thursday in April,

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Speaker 2: but man, we're loaded. We got schedules, we got lists,

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Speaker 2: we got an either or game that was presented by

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Speaker 2: one of our big rivals out there, which we'll get

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Speaker 2: to momentarily, but it's gonna be a good one. We

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Speaker 2: also have Oklahoma's mood track tonight we have someone that

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Speaker 2: dared to suggest the college football playoff format is unfair.

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Speaker 1: Wait for it.

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Speaker 2: Wait for it to the Southeastern Conference, and I will

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Speaker 2: entertain that as only I can. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for being tuned in. They're watching us in Yes, smackover Arkansas,

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Speaker 2: which for a point of reference, is between Eldorado and

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Speaker 2: Camden for those unfamiliar, they're watching us in.

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Speaker 1: Oneata, Alabama. St.

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Speaker 2: Petersburg, Florida. Wilmington, Delaware, our first Delaware check in. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: you guys being tuned in. I've got no more time

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Speaker 2: to waste. We've got to dive in. We have got

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Speaker 2: so many things to get to this evening are So

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Speaker 2: here's what we're gonna do. It's a very very atypical

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Speaker 2: order for the show. We're gonna do a couple of

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Speaker 2: Q and a's and then we're gonna do the mood tracker.

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Speaker 2: Then we're gonna get right back into it. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, we had so much in this show tonight.

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Speaker 2: We already got a lot of stuff in the Sunday

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Speaker 2: show lined up. Plus we'll have Spring reactions, so you

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Speaker 2: may take a vacation, just don't do it right now.

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Speaker 2: There's a whole lot going on despite what the casuals

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Speaker 2: may tell you.

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Speaker 1: So let's get a started here.

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Speaker 2: Robbie kicking us off, he asks which teams that finished

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Speaker 2: outside the AP top twenty five last season could you

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Speaker 2: see making the jump to finishing inside the top twenty

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Speaker 2: five this season. I came up with four of them,

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Speaker 2: and I think a couple of them are pretty obvious.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, think to yourself if you need

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Speaker 2: to pause the video. Pause the video pull up last

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Speaker 2: year's final AP rankings. First thing you need to know

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Speaker 2: is on this particular show, we don't put a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of stock in the AP, but the questions about

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Speaker 2: the AP.

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Speaker 1: So let's dive in.

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Speaker 2: First team, the Fighting Collins of Tennessee. I think Tennessee

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Speaker 2: was a top fifteen team last year, top twenty caliber

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Speaker 2: team in the Power rating metrics in AP. They did

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Speaker 2: not finish there, So that's a team that finished seven

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Speaker 2: and six. Obviously, I think they had three losses of

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Speaker 2: in points per game, yards per game, rush yards per game. Offensively,

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Speaker 2: they kept trending in the right direction the entirety of

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Speaker 1: They were top twenty in the JP pull.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, at the end of the year, they

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Speaker 2: go to Pitt in Week two, and it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a really interesting scene there for both teams now

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Speaker 2: because Pitt's a dark horse playoff contender, and if you

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Speaker 2: didn't know it, it was established on the last episode

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Speaker 2: of Late Kick Live. But also they've got the rest

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Speaker 2: of that season, and you're looking at the schedule right now.

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Speaker 1: They got Florida in the first month of the season.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about Tennessee's schedule a little bit

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Speaker 2: later on, but they've also got very, very big opportunities here.

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Speaker 2: They got opportunities to make those old fashioned statement wins.

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Speaker 2: But also Tennessee, I mean, look at where they're trending

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Speaker 2: The next team is Penn State. Penn State, I thought

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Speaker 2: was clearly a top ten caliber team this past year

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Speaker 2: before Sean Clifford went down in that Iowa game. That

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Speaker 2: was that fateful early October afternoon where we had all

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Speaker 2: So what you remember about Penn State last year is

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Speaker 2: season that you were hoping for. Right Well, to me,

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Speaker 2: they kind of did get it. It was just thrown

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Speaker 2: That doesn't matter for last year. It doesn't matter for

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Speaker 2: this year though, because moving ahead this year, we got

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Speaker 2: You're thinking to yourself, ooh man, but John Dotson's not

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Parker Washington is, though, really good playmaker already. I think

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Speaker 2: But also if you go up and down their schedule,

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Speaker 2: They've got Ohio State at home this year, and that game,

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Speaker 2: probably install Penn State as over a seven point underdog,

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Speaker 2: But outside of that, look up and down the schedule.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening on podcasts, I can tell you they

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Speaker 2: go to Auburn Week three. That's going to be a

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Speaker 2: but also a very winnable game on.

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Speaker 1: The road in the SEC. Remember those two played last

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Speaker 2: They go to Michigan October fifteenth, very competitive game there.

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Speaker 2: They got Minnesota the following week, and then Ohio State

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Speaker 2: finished the regular season with Michigan State at home. My

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Speaker 2: prove that we have it in front of us. I'm

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Speaker 2: asking you, can this team finish top twenty five? My

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Speaker 2: an underdog. Where's the other game where they're a big underdog.

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Speaker 2: us Ohio State at home is winnable two. So I

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Speaker 2: A and M, even though I'm listing them third is

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna fly out and tell you there's no

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Speaker 2: way there are twenty five teams better than Texas A

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Speaker 2: So let me go ahead and spare you the time

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Speaker 2: is still a year away. Minimum That may be true,

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Speaker 2: it's all within the proper context. The question is not

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Speaker 2: give me four playoff teams this year. It's give me

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Speaker 2: twenty five teams. Now you're finding me twenty five who

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Speaker 2: the skill along the lines of scrimmage. I haven't even

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Speaker 2: gotten to the infusion of talent from this true freshman class.

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Speaker 2: But also there's a really, really solid quarterback battle going

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Speaker 2: You got folks who also believe in Haines King. I

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Speaker 2: Jimbo can win with either one of them. This is

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Speaker 2: next year. I guarantee you they can compete to be

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Speaker 2: The headline's going to be they lost Sam Howell quarterback.

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Speaker 2: What you need to know is guys like Javari Ritzy,

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Speaker 2: guys like Keishawn Silver. The totality of last year's Star

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Speaker 2: now all gain a year and gain seasoning and gain experience,

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Speaker 2: All those guys have at least that under their belt now.

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Speaker 2: But go back to the quarterback situation. Everybody knows Sam

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Speaker 2: them know anything about Jacoby Criswell? How many of them

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Speaker 2: got a lot of folks that are just casually writing

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Speaker 2: North Carolina off. It couldn't even tell you what the

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Speaker 2: quarterback situation there is right now, much less the fact

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Speaker 2: that you got guys like Josh downs there. I think,

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Speaker 2: listening to our Inside Carolina guys, they'll probably make an

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Speaker 2: effort to gain at least one more receiver in the portal.

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Speaker 2: But this team right here our entire philosophy, at least

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Speaker 2: believe in that, let's just go ahead and endorse North

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Speaker 2: Carolina big time in the twenty twenty one season. Didn't happen,

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean you bail on them. All the players I

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Speaker 2: was just a year early on them. I told you

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Speaker 2: before I did this with TCU. One year leaved in TCU,

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Speaker 2: they XD that year, and then the next year everyone

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Speaker 2: do that again. North Carolina, A, and m Tennessee Penn State.

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Speaker 2: Give me those four teams to finish inside the top

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Speaker 2: twenty five this year.

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Speaker 1: Next up on this.

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Speaker 2: Lovely Thursday evening. It's a loaded question, but it's a

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Speaker 2: question that we will take head on. Marissa, friend of

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Speaker 2: the program asked if there is one team with the

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Speaker 2: potential to pull the upset over Alabama this year?

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Speaker 1: Who do you think it is?

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Speaker 2: And by the way, she checks in from Clifton Springs,

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Speaker 2: New York, which I hear is lovely this time of year.

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Speaker 2: I went up and down Alabama schedule. There's not a

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Speaker 2: respond now Predictably, they're excited, and therefore, predictably, a lot

436
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Speaker 2: of the responses I cannot use on air because we

437
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Speaker 2: fancy ourselves a show where a little Johnny can sit

438
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Speaker 2: in dad's passenger seat on his way to school in

439
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Speaker 2: the morning and be exposed to this podcast with no

440
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Speaker 2: risk involved. I respect and appreciate the responses, but I'm

441
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Speaker 2: gonna have to stick with taking them, balling them all up.

442
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Speaker 2: And what I came to is actually a submission that

443
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Speaker 2: was put on the board there, steak over sizzle, preferring

444
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Speaker 2: steak over sizzle. So the Oklahoma mood right now is

445
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Speaker 2: appreciating the sizzle, but preferring the steak obviously, where you're

446
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Speaker 2: juxtaposing the Lincoln Riley era to what we think the

447
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Speaker 2: Brenton Vinnables era will bring. Here's the thing about your

448
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Speaker 2: typical Oklahoma fan right now, I think they're mischaracterized nationally. Nationally,

449
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Speaker 2: folks still think they're out there crying about Lincoln Riley.

450
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Speaker 2: They're still raw about him, but the tears have long

451
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Speaker 2: since dried up. These people are very, very excited about

452
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Speaker 2: brent Vinnibles. It's nice to have a video game.

453
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Speaker 1: Offense that was fun, that was very nice. It's not

454
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Speaker 1: like they didn't like that.

455
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Speaker 2: They loved a quarterback always being in Heisman contention. They

456
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Speaker 2: love to be an offense that the rest of the

457
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Speaker 2: country looked at and feared. They loved that they virtually

458
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Speaker 2: ran the Big twelve. They loved all that. But I'll

459
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Speaker 2: tell you what they didn't love. They didn't love going

460
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Speaker 2: into a playoff situation and knowing they were probably gonna

461
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Speaker 2: need fifty plus if they stood any chance of winning.

462
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Speaker 2: That was Oklahoma football when Lincoln Riley was there. This

463
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Speaker 2: is the Oklahoma mood. This is not even me talking.

464
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Speaker 2: This is one an Oklahoma Sooner fan would tell you

465
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Speaker 2: so believe it or not, there is some excitement to

466
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Speaker 2: get a guy in there named Brent Venables who has

467
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Speaker 2: not been a head coach, but who they think is

468
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Speaker 2: a very very good culture fit. A lot of people

469
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Speaker 2: say that they firmly believe it there. I have no

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Speaker 2: reason to doubt them. Number two, they believe there was

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Speaker 2: there was a need for a style change there and

472
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Speaker 2: a philosophy change even if Lincoln Riley was still the

473
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Speaker 2: head coach. So they got two of those pieces moved

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Speaker 2: instead of just one.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of you read the Player's.

476
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Speaker 2: Tribune article from Lincoln Riley that was written earlier this week.

477
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Speaker 2: If you haven't checked it out, go to the Player's

478
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Speaker 2: Tribune check it out or some interesting, very interesting takeaways.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna come as a shot to you.

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Speaker 2: But Lincoln Riley's letter in the Player's Tribune did not

481
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Speaker 2: do a whole heck of a lot to move the emotion.

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Speaker 1: Needle and the forgiveness needle in Norman, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: I had about one or two Oklahoma buddies reach out

484
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Speaker 2: and say, you know, I appreciate he did that.

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Speaker 1: We'll let bygones be bygones. About the time.

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Speaker 2: They got the sentence out of their mouth, the other

487
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Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of the fan base put the sh

488
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Speaker 2: index finger over their lips and they said, ball it up,

489
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Speaker 2: throw it in the garbage.

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Speaker 1: We're done with him. That's how most of them feel.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't really matter what was written in the Player's Tribune,

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Speaker 2: and I think there were probably some ulterior motives for

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Speaker 2: having written that in the Player's Tribune. I'm not saying

494
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Speaker 2: I'd handle myself any differently if I was Lincoln Riley.

495
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you what an Oklahoma fan's mood is right now.

496
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Speaker 2: An Oklahoma fans mood is they.

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Speaker 1: Really believe in Brent Venables. Here's the counter.

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Speaker 2: If you're just watching in Shreveport, Louisiana, and let's say

499
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Speaker 2: you're a Louisiana Lafayette fan, you're not attached to this

500
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Speaker 2: in any way. You may say what a lot of

501
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Speaker 2: America is saying, a lot of the casual college football

502
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Speaker 2: crowd out there is looking at Oklahoma fan and they're saying,

503
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Speaker 2: if you really believed in Brent Venables so much, you

504
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Speaker 2: wouldn't have Lincoln Riley's name in your mouth every other sentence. Well,

505
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Speaker 2: they don't anymore. Quite to the degree they did, but

506
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Speaker 2: it is still a sore subject.

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Speaker 1: Guys, it's been four and a half months.

508
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Speaker 2: Hasn't been four and a half years, so hoops amongst

509
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Speaker 2: you would not still be rubbed the wrong way if

510
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Speaker 2: the guy who said he wanted to spend the rest

511
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Speaker 2: of his career in your hometown all of a sudden

512
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Speaker 2: bolted because, in his words, his agent called with a

513
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Speaker 2: little bit better offer. It's natural, it's human nature. Favorite

514
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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson's song. It applies perfectly here. I don't think

515
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Speaker 2: once the season starts you will hear a fraction of

516
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Speaker 2: the talk about Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma, even that you

517
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Speaker 2: do right now, it's possible to still be a little

518
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Speaker 2: aggravated with the way things ended with your ex, but

519
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Speaker 2: be in a happy relationship. That's where Oklahoma fans are

520
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Speaker 2: right now. And secondly, Brent Vinibles has come in and

521
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Speaker 2: now we look at the future, because that's what the

522
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Speaker 2: segment's all about.

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Speaker 1: We look at the future. What's the most likely thing

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Speaker 1: to happen?

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Speaker 2: Well, the most likely thing to happen is, first off,

526
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Speaker 2: we're gonna get to find out what Brent Vinables, the

527
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Speaker 2: head coach, is all about.

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Speaker 1: You can forecast it.

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Speaker 2: You can guess there is no substitute for real world

530
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Speaker 2: head coaching experience. He does not have any. He's about

531
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Speaker 2: to get a lot of it, and on a very

532
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Speaker 2: very big platform. We've seen Kirby Smart handle it well.

533
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Speaker 2: We've seen Ryan Day handle it well. We saw Lincoln

534
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Speaker 2: Riley handle it well. We've seen other guys not handle

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Speaker 2: it well. So remains to be seen there. But even

536
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Speaker 2: as we start to get introduced to Brent vinibles the

537
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Speaker 2: head coach, as the season goes on, we're also gonna

538
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Speaker 2: see if that whole culture thing starts to take root.

539
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Speaker 2: Because the best case scenario is, like I always mentioned,

540
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Speaker 2: you get that Sam Pittman effect, you get that Mel

541
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Speaker 2: Tucker effect, you get that Shane Beemer effect, you get

542
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Speaker 2: this intangible kind of congealing between the head coach and

543
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Speaker 2: the fan base and the culture and the administration and

544
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: recruits as soon as they step off of campus after

545
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Speaker 2: their official visits, they keep raving about this theme that

546
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Speaker 2: exists at Oklahoma and they can't really put their finger

547
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Speaker 2: on it, but they've gone visits elsewhere in the country

548
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Speaker 2: and they haven't felt quite what they feel at Oklahoma.

549
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Speaker 2: If you start sensing that. And if you start hearing

550
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Speaker 2: that and you start feeling that you'll have it, that it,

551
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Speaker 2: like I said, very intangible.

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Speaker 1: That's why they call it culture.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's not a blueprint, there's not

554
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Speaker 2: a power point where it's just a bullet point one, two,

555
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Speaker 2: three four kind of procedure and all of a sudden, voila,

556
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Speaker 2: you have culture. You got to have the right guy

557
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Speaker 2: in the head coach's chair. They are totally sold that

558
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Speaker 2: they have that. So yes, while they are still rubbed

559
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Speaker 2: the wrong way by Lincoln Riley and they would not

560
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Speaker 2: substitute any bodily fluids even if he was on fire

561
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Speaker 2: next to him, they are also happy to have brent Vivenables. Nay,

562
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Speaker 2: they are ecstatic to have brenton Venables. Do you know why,

563
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: because they in retrospect don't feel like they had one

564
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Speaker 2: of theirs in the past. They do feel like they

565
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Speaker 2: have one of theirs at home.

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Speaker 1: Now.

567
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Speaker 2: We'll see how this works out. It's gonna be one

568
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Speaker 2: of the most fun programs to watch this year. And

569
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Speaker 2: they all the while are about to move to the

570
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Speaker 2: SEC in a few years. I guess we kind of

571
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Speaker 2: have more on that in one two three.

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Speaker 1: Four, four, or five questions from now.

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Speaker 2: All right, this piece of paper I hold in my

574
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: hand right now is dangerous because it's got a lot

575
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Speaker 2: of dangerous questions on it.

576
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Speaker 1: But you know what, we don't dodge them. So here

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Speaker 1: we go.

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Speaker 2: First up, Matt asks, we all know the big games

579
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Speaker 2: for next season. What are the most underrated matchups in

580
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two schedule that could have college football

581
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Speaker 2: playoff implications. The first one I went to is in

582
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Speaker 2: Week one. It's on Labor Day night. It's Clemson at

583
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Speaker 2: Georgia Tech. Jesse looked at me sideways when I said this.

584
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Speaker 2: It's not cause Georgia Tech's going to compete for a

585
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Speaker 2: playoff spot, but I am extremely fascinated with aspects of

586
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Speaker 2: both of these teams. So Clemson, for their part in this,

587
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: they are expected to mounce back. They are expected to

588
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: contend for the ACC Championship and thus a spot in

589
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff. We very much are looking at

590
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one as hopefully just a blip on the

591
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: radar screen, and it's just a little dip down to

592
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Speaker 2: ten wins, and then Clemson's right back in the playoff

593
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: conversation come December well stands to reason. If we're going

594
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Speaker 2: to get that kind of product from Clemson this year,

595
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: it means we've got a lot better offensive production. And

596
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Speaker 2: if we're getting that from Clemson, this will not be

597
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Speaker 2: an issue for them. I don't care if it's on

598
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Speaker 2: the road. I don't care how hostile it is. I

599
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Speaker 2: don't care that that's a standalone game on a Labor

600
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Speaker 2: Day night. I don't care about any of that. If

601
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Speaker 2: we got the Clemson we're supposed to have, then they'll

602
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: handle this with relative ease.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we're going to have that.

604
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Speaker 2: Therefore, I think this could be a very intriguing matchup

605
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: for Georgia tech side in this. They're coming off back

606
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: to back to back three win seasons. It's all on

607
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: the line this year for them. They know it, staff

608
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: knows it, the administration knows it, and they don't have

609
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Speaker 2: to wait till four or five weeks in the year

610
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Speaker 2: when they're banged up potentially to get their shot. They

611
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: got their shot in week one and they got Clemson

612
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Speaker 2: coming in there. Like I said, it's a standalone game.

613
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Speaker 2: So for better or for worse, the whole country is watching.

614
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a do or die in terms

615
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: of you better win the game. But they almost beat

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Speaker 2: Clemson last year. Don't forget that. A lot of folks

617
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: almost did or outright did beat Clemson last year. Georgia

618
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Speaker 2: Tech was even one of them. So let's see how

619
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Speaker 2: this one plays out. It could be that it's twenty

620
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: seven to three at halftime, could be that, or it

621
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Speaker 2: could be that it's well, judging by last year, seven

622
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Speaker 2: to three at halftime. Let's keep an eye on it.

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Speaker 2: Next game week two. I'm giving you one game each

624
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Speaker 2: week of the first three weeks of the season. Here,

625
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Speaker 2: Tennessee is traveling to pitt Yes, the University of Tennessee

626
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: volunteers are going to play in Hines Field in week

627
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Speaker 2: two of the college football season. Colin's already talking about

628
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: this one. I'm already talking about this one. A lot

629
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: of folks are already talking about this one. For Tennessee's

630
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: part in this, this is an opportunity for some revenge

631
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Speaker 2: because Kenny Pickett and the the pit Panthers got them

632
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: there early in the season last year in Knoxville, So

633
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: this is a chance for revenge there. But also this

634
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: is an opportunity an early opportunity for us to kind

635
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: of find out about Hendon Hooker and about what we

636
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: think this Tennessee offense could be this year. But it's

637
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: also a chance on the pit side of things to

638
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: look at what Keden's slogan this is at quarterback, kind

639
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: of like the North Carolina thing we talked about earlier.

640
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: The country knows pretty much one thing about Pitt and

641
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: they know that, oh, Kenny Pickett, they lost the quarterback,

642
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: but they don't do their follow up homework. That's why

643
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: we're here with seventy graphics for you in mid April.

644
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: You need to know that just cause you lose a

645
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: higher profile quarterback doesn't always mean you take fifteen knocks

646
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: down the ladder. Sometimes you've got an adequate replacement. Pitt

647
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: believes they do. They've got an opportunity in front of

648
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, at least the region, maybe the world,

649
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: depending on the TV schedule. How it shakes out in

650
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Speaker 2: Week two against Tennessee, Pitt could knock on the door

651
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Speaker 2: of playoff contention, like we talked about the other night,

652
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Speaker 2: if everything were to fall right on their schedule. But

653
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Speaker 2: for Tennessee's side of this, if Tennessee's going to be

654
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: that sleeper that all of a sudden isn't a sleeper anymore.

655
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Speaker 2: In the SEC. They need this one. They need to

656
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: go on the road and win that game. That would

657
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: make a lot of noise. I think the third game

658
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: is in week three. We hinted at it earlier. This

659
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Speaker 2: is Penn State at Auburn. Now, on the surface, the

660
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: marquis says, big ten team going on the road in

661
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: the SEC and not against Vanderbilt. All due respect, this

662
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: is a premier brand in Auburn. So you get all that,

663
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: you get that good rub, but then you zoom in

664
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Speaker 2: the microscope a little bit and you realize Auburn's got all.

665
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Speaker 1: Sort of issues.

666
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: Half to most of the folks behind the scenes did

667
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: not want the guy who's still the head coach there

668
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: to be the head coach. Yet he is still the

669
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Speaker 2: head coach, even though we don't know his quarterback is

670
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Speaker 2: going to be. So there's a lot of question mark

671
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: all over the Auburn brand.

672
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Speaker 1: But it's still that au brand.

673
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Speaker 2: So you've got that going for you if you're Penn State.

674
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Speaker 2: And for Penn State's part in this two part equation,

675
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Speaker 2: they've got to prove that last year's seven and six

676
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: record was just a byproduct of bad injury luck. And

677
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: we're going to find out if that's the case, because

678
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: they beat this team last year. With the same quarterbacks

679
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: going to return this year in Sean Clifford quarterback for

680
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: Penn State, at least, it's going to be a really

681
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: good opportunity for them. So those three games at the

682
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: beginning of the year, if you think about him, none

683
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Speaker 2: of these teams, at least in my mind's I are

684
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: going to be overwhelming popular picks for the playoff. But

685
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: this is going to have impact on the playoff picture.

686
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Speaker 2: Clemson at Georgia Tech week one, Tennessee at pitt week two,

687
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: and Penn State at Auburn week three. All right, let's

688
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Speaker 2: roll it right along here. Appreciate you guys being tuned

689
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Speaker 2: in live. By the way, I keep periodically copying and

690
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: pasting a message into the live chat. I just need

691
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: you to like the video and subscribe to the channel

692
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: or subscribe to the podcast if you're listening. Are not

693
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: buddy but acquaintance. Brandon Walker hit us up today said

694
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Speaker 2: who would you rather be over the next five years,

695
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: and then he listed a bunch of either ors and

696
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: I asked him, give me your choices, and I'll just

697
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: bet you like a pinata on the other side of

698
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Speaker 2: the debate. Now, Brandon Walker has the spine of a

699
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: pool noodle, so he did not respond. What I did

700
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Speaker 2: have is a lot of you respond and so I

701
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: went and I kind of aggregated your responses, and in

702
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: each of these scenarios, these either oars, I'm going to

703
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: take the side that most of you landed on, and

704
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: just for fun, I'm going to take the opposite side.

705
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: So it's just a trip back to debate class. The

706
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Speaker 2: first one was Alabama or Georgia. Who would you rather

707
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Speaker 2: be over the next five years. Most of you took Bama,

708
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: which surprised me a little bit because I thought the

709
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: momentum of Georgia just went in the title and knowing

710
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: you got Kirby for presumably longer than Nick Sabe and

711
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to go Georgia. Well, since

712
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Speaker 2: you went Alabama, my Georgia argument would be, let me

713
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: say this out loud, one team. My team just beat

714
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: yours for a national championship, which means we've proven that,

715
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: unlike ninety eight percent of the sport, we are capable

716
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Speaker 2: of going toe to toe with you on the grandest

717
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: stage the sport has to offer. And then number two,

718
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: it's got a couple of numbers for you, seventy and

719
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Speaker 2: forty six. Your coach is seventy, Mine is forty six.

720
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: Mine's going to be around probably long after yours has

721
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: stepped away, and mine's already proven that he can compete

722
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: and recruit at.

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Speaker 1: The highest level.

724
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Speaker 2: It's a no brainer, right That would be my Georgia

725
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: argument win number one. Number two was USC or Oklahoma.

726
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: This is the most popular either or in college football

727
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: right now for reasons that we just touched on in

728
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: the show about ten minutes ago. Most of you went USC.

729
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: That did not surprise me. You've got the more proven

730
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Speaker 2: commodity a head coach, and everyone's just always in love

731
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Speaker 2: with the potential of USC. So I take the Oklahoma

732
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: side of the argument, and what I say is take

733
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Speaker 2: your sizzle, take your ornaments. I've got the steak, I've

734
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: got the tree over here. We had the ornaments, we

735
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: never had the tree to hang them on. There was

736
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: never a solid nucleus of this program. We got exposed

737
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: when we were on the biggest stages against the Georgia's

738
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Speaker 2: even though we did go to overtime.

739
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: We had a chance to win.

740
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: That game got exposed Pama hanging twenty eight on us

741
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: before we even blinked. We want a guy who's actually

742
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: coached a defense at a relatively high level. By relative,

743
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: I mean best defense in the country any given year.

744
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: We want a guy that's infectious.

745
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: We want a guy who eats, sleeps, and breathes Oklahoma

746
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Speaker 2: instead of himself.

747
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said it because I'm an Oklahoma fan right now.

748
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: I'll take Oklahoma's future over USC's future because I've seen

749
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: what a program can be at its maximum potential under

750
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley. It happened here, and you know what, it

751
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: wasn't good enough. Brent Vinnables is going to get us

752
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 2: there and then he's gonna take us the next step beyond.

753
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Speaker 1: So give me Oklahoma's future, we.

754
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Speaker 2: Would you say, Yeah, I think I would score that.

755
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: So two to nothing for me so far. Number three

756
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: Notre Dame or Texas. Surprisingly, a lot of you took

757
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, which I did not expect. But you know what,

758
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: I'll be happy to take the Longhorn side of the

759
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: equation here. Stop dodging Texas on what they have been,

760
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: because this is a question about the next five years.

761
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: And in the next five years, I'm going to have

762
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: the best quarterback in America in Quinn Eewers. I may

763
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: have the best one on top of that in Arch Manning.

764
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Speaker 2: I'm going to have my pick of elite quarterbacks any

765
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: given year because I got the best play caller in

766
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 2: college football call and plays also serving as my head coach,

767
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: and Steve Sarkisian.

768
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Speaker 1: You may look at me and say, well, he's unproven.

769
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Speaker 1: He's unproven.

770
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Speaker 2: Every great head coach was unproven at some point. No,

771
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: he hasn't been great to this point in his career.

772
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: Gamp been the head coach at Texas to this point

773
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: in his career either. And let me give you three letters.

774
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: That changes everything INIL. I get to hook that up

775
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: to a limitless in state crop of talent here and

776
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: recruit the breast of the South just for the heck

777
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: of it. And you get to do what at Notre Dame?

778
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: Are they really going to give you the freedom? I mean,

779
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: be honest with yourself, are they really going to let

780
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: you unleash INIL there? You already got to have kids

781
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: getting a lot higher number on those standardized test scores

782
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: than I do to get them in school. Are they

783
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: really gonna let you do what they're gonna let me

784
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: do at Texas?

785
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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

786
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: Therefore I'm taking Texas. That's a definitive win. That's a

787
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: three to zero.

788
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: What about LSU? Are Texas A and M?

789
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: Who do you think you took? You're listening and you

790
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: don't know the results. Who do you think the folks took?

791
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: The folks took Texas A and M because America hates

792
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly right now, not me, but America, which puts

793
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: me in the fortuitous position of defending Brian Kelly. A

794
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: lot of you took Texas A and M.

795
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: That's cool.

796
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: You gave me my choice of LSU, and I will

797
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: waive this purple and gold flag with pride. What do

798
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: you have that we don't have, because we got a

799
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: lot of what you don't have. My last three coaches

800
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: of one titles, one of them could barely put together

801
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: coherent sentences. In fact, more than one of them could

802
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: barely put together coherent sentences, and even they won national

803
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: championships here, which proves if you can walk and chew

804
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: gum at the same time. And loosely harness what Louisiana

805
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: State University has to offer. I don't have to worry

806
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: about what's happening outside of the borders of this eight.

807
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: I don't have anybody to compete against here. I get

808
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: the best athletes per capita in America, and I get

809
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: them all to myself. And I got Brian Kelly too,

810
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: And unlike your guy, Brian Kelly has played for championships before,

811
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Speaker 2: and he did it with a fraction of the resources

812
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: your guy had at the time when he was at

813
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: Florida State and now he's at Texas A and M.

814
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: I saw your last recruiting class. That was lovely, and

815
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: you kind of snuck up on a lot of college

816
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: football and slapped him in the back of the head.

817
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: But you know what college football has done now, and

818
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: especially what we at LSU were about to do. We

819
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: will adjust enjoy that class. It's the last time you'll

820
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: run away from the pack. In fact, chances are you'll

821
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: enjoy the view from behind me a lot more than

822
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: I'll ever enjoy the view from behind you. Again, again,

823
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: we've accomplished everything here already multiple times over that you're

824
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish and here's.

825
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: The cherry on top. You got to play us every

826
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Speaker 1: year to get there.

827
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Speaker 2: I'll take my chances point purple and gold and the

828
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Speaker 2: last one is the rare three parter. Is it Miami?

829
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: Is it Florida or is it Florida State? You guys

830
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: took Florida, and you took him pretty convincingly. All due

831
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: respect to Mike Norvell and the Knowles, give me the canes.

832
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: Do you realize what history says I'm capable of? If

833
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: I get to have my guy in place and my

834
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: university is behind me, History doesn't even know what nil is.

835
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: But I've got that to work with down here too.

836
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: If I keep my South Florida talent home, you can

837
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: do whatever you want to. You're not gonna touch us again.

838
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: Lick that index finger and crack open a history book

839
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: and understand that, just like I said with LSU, multiple

840
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: coaches have done it here, which proves it's not one

841
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: guy who came in and prove that he can do it,

842
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 2: and then he left and the formula for winning left

843
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: with him. The formula is Miami. It's not any one guy,

844
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: and the formula is South Florida athletes. They've been going elsewhere,

845
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: but that was yesterday. It's a new day here. We

846
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 2: mean it in every sense of the phrase. So while

847
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: you're stuck on what we were, what we will be

848
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: is the envy of this state. Do whatever you want

849
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: to in Tallahassee, do whatever you want to in Gainesville.

850
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: We will run this state and route to being at

851
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: the very pinnacle of this sport, where, to be honest,

852
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 2: we always belonged. Now, I think I went five for five.

853
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: I didn't want to do some of that, but you

854
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: forced me into what inevitably was a no win situation.

855
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: So I know some of you are going to irresponsibly

856
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: clip some of that for your benefit. That's okay, though

857
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: I think there were reasonable sides to be taken there.

858
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 2: This is how we wrap up in a very fence

859
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: riding manner, a segment that was very divisive. Next question three, Guys,

860
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: here three interesting cats this year can hit us up?

861
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: And he said, in year two under Shane Beemer, Josh Heipel,

862
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: and Brian Harson, in your opinion, what record would constitute

863
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: a successful season for each. So we got Harson at

864
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: all and obviously we got Shaneiemer at South Carolina, we

865
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: got Josh Haypel at Tennessee. All entering year two, Brian Harson,

866
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 2: this is not going to match what the vegas total

867
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: is going to be. The vegas total is going to

868
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: be somewhere around five or six. For the over under

869
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: win total, they're going to demand eight wins from him

870
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 2: because unlike these other situations, there's perfect harmony and synergy

871
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: between the fan base and the head coach and the

872
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: administration at the other two places. That doesn't exist at Auburn,

873
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: and so you don't have benefit of the doubt. If

874
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: you're Brian Harson. You've got the win now, or they'll

875
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: fire you. Hashtag remember the Titans kind of vibe going

876
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: on with them, And even though this roster does not

877
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: scream eight wins at all, and even though the schedule

878
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: does not scream eight wins at all, they're going to

879
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: probably demand eight wins. If they go seven and five,

880
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: I think the conversation around the program will be at

881
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: such an irrational point that there will be no coming

882
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: back from it. So eight wins probably minimum is what

883
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: I would need to feel somewhat safe for Brian Harson.

884
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: Shane Beemer at South Carolina they won seven games last year.

885
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: Context is very important because I think the over underwin

886
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: total was in the like three or four range, so

887
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: they vastly exceeded expectation.

888
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: That's great. Here's the dangerous part.

889
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: The dangerous part is the next logical step in anyone's

890
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: equation is, well, now you have to do at least

891
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: that right, and to mark progress, you have to do

892
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: one better than that right. That's why the answer is

893
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: eight and four. Eight and four is what he's gonna need,

894
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: he being Shane Beemer, to prove a success this year

895
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: in the eyes of those who matter. I'm of the

896
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: opinion there are many pads here where a seven win

897
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: season is a success. South Carolina does not have the

898
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: easiest schedule in the world. They've always got Clemson at

899
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: the end, so they don't have the four cream puffs

900
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 2: that some teams can afford to dial up with four

901
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: w's penciled in already. They got Georgia State in week one,

902
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: they go to Arkansas. I'm just gonna tell you where

903
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: they'll probably be an underdog. There'll be a dog at Arkansas,

904
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: There'll be a dog. To Georgia. They will possibly to

905
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: likely be a dog. At Kentucky, they'll be a dog

906
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: at home against Texas A and M. They will in

907
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: all likelihood be an underdog at Florida. They may very

908
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: well be a dog at home against Tennessee, although that's

909
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: way too far off to count, and they'll be a

910
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: dog at Clemson. I counted that on my fingers. That's

911
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: seven games that they could be an underdog game.

912
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: Subtract two off of it.

913
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: Let's just go best case scenario points spread wise, there's

914
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: still a dog in five games.

915
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: You know what twelve minus five is. Stat's an info.

916
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: It is seven.

917
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: That's how I get to my seven wins still being

918
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: a successful season. Take that's a tough schedule to win

919
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: eight games against. He proved us wrong last year, and

920
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: he may very well prove that wrong again this year.

921
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: But I'm not one who's going to show up and say,

922
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: you know, Shane Beember. For him to be a success

923
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: this year, he's got to win at least one more

924
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: game than he did last year. A lot of that

925
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: stuff's relative. That is not an easy climb for South

926
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: Carolina this year. Josh hipel Tennessee really good season last year.

927
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: Seven and six also vastly exceeded expectation and could.

928
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: Have gotten a couple of more attacked on there.

929
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: I think as it relates to this year, it's probably

930
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: a good thing they didn't go ahead and win a

931
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: couple of more games, because then they'd be dealing with

932
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: the same syndrome we just talked about with South Carolina.

933
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: They lost that bowl game, or did they? Some of

934
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: us do not consider them losers of the Music City Bowl.

935
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: They were participants at worst, and they were winners. To

936
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: be more real with you, eight and four is the answer.

937
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: Eight and four is a successful season for Tennessee if

938
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: they start three to one, But if they start four

939
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: and zero, which would mean beating Ball State, pitt Akron,

940
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 2: and Florida, then we enter into what we call recalibration

941
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: of expectation territory. What that means in a season is

942
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what your preseason expectations were. Michigan State

943
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: perfect example of this last year. It doesn't matter that

944
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: folks expected them to miss a bowl game. They got

945
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: to a certain point in the year and they were

946
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: still undefeated, to where everyone forgot about the preseason and

947
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: they recalibrated their expectation, and from that point forward, success

948
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: for Michigan State was going to be no less than

949
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: appearing in the Big Ten title game.

950
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Now that's not right.

951
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: It's not the proper prism with which to view a

952
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 2: program through, but doesn't mean it won't happen. So Tennessee,

953
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: if they start four and zho, if best case happens early,

954
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: these folks will expect nine wins minimum. And that's why

955
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: sometimes winning games early for expectation purposes can really throw

956
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: the rest of your season into a tailspin because you

957
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: end up accomplishing more than you had any business accomplishing

958
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: and win loss column. And yet folks are still kind

959
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: of rubbed the wrong way by how you finish. And

960
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: as far as I can tell in the history books,

961
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: doesn't matter where you get the wins and losses, just

962
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: that you get them, mark my words. Though they start

963
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: three to one, okay, we'll take eight win.

964
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: Eight wins would be very good year for Tennessee.

965
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: This is a team that has to play Alabama and

966
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: Georgia every year, don't forget that.

967
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: And they go to Pitt this year for good measure.

968
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: But if they start four and oh, which would.

969
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: Mean wins at Pitt and against Florida at home, both

970
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 2: of them are distinct possibilities. If they start four, and oh,

971
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: no one cares about what their preseason best case, worst case,

972
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: most likely is they totally recalibrate that prism.

973
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: Totally recalibrated. Use the word.

974
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: Prism way too much there, But that is how I

975
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: see those three programs. Next question, let's just shift it

976
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: a little east, shall we. Our buddy Zack Smith host

977
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: a podcast in his own right which I listen to

978
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: Minus to Sports.

979
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: Just ear muff the kiddos before you listen to it.

980
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: He said, who is most likely to threaten to take

981
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: the throne from a weekend Clemson team in the ACC? Now,

982
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: my first response, don't ever stay on the stand up

983
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: for you, Pitt.

984
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: My first response is.

985
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: Where do you want me to send these angry pit folks?

986
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: Cause I checked the record books again, checked them a

987
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: lot today. Pit won the ACC last year and they

988
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: didn't beat Clemson in the ACC title game either. So yes,

989
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: it is perceived in all seriousness that even though that

990
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: happened last year, that was the blip, it's still Clemson's conference.

991
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: Even Alabama has had down years every now and then, YadA, YadA, YadA.

992
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: All right, so let's work off that.

993
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: But then let's say it goes sideways again for Clemson,

994
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: and we're looking at a more prolonged period of Clemson

995
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 2: not just utterly laying waste to the conference. Which team,

996
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: if that were to happen, would be the one that

997
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: steps up and is viewed from this point moving forward

998
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: over the next few years as the alpha program in

999
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: the conference. I've got to go to Miami. This doesn't

1000
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: necessarily happen this year. I'm saying if that were to happen,

1001
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 2: the reason I default to Miami is because I'm thinking

1002
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: talent acquisition.

1003
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking get the players.

1004
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: You can talk to me all you want to about

1005
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: how Mario christ Baul is not proven as a head

1006
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: coach and had won on the grid and stage. We're

1007
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 2: talking about the future. Okay, So theoretically, if this happened,

1008
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: it would happen in the future. It would have to

1009
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: be Miami at first for me because they have the

1010
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: best chance to have elite talent acquisition. But they're not

1011
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: the only one capable of that. They're just the one

1012
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: that I guess, percentage.

1013
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: Wise, I would roll with.

1014
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: But the second one is North Carolina because of the

1015
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: same reason. It's the talent acquisition. We're not talking about

1016
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: having one pop year. We're not talking about doing it

1017
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: big in one ten win season, but elsewhere you sink

1018
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: back to your average seven and a half or eight

1019
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: win type deal. That's not taking over a conference which

1020
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: programs are capable of legitimate year in year out double

1021
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: digit win expectation level. It hasn't been what North Carolina's done,

1022
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: but it's about talent acquisition. Who has the roster to

1023
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: potentially do that? What did we talk about earlier today?

1024
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: What have I talked about for about the past year.

1025
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: They've got back to back to back top fifteen classes.

1026
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: No one else is really doing that in the ACC

1027
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: They got to develop them. Obviously have not done that

1028
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: yet to the degree that they need to to win

1029
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: at this level. But a lot of those guys are

1030
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: still young too. You know, I don't write someone off

1031
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: because they didn't squeeze every last drop out of a

1032
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: true freshman class. They've still got a long way to

1033
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: go with those guys. But North Carolina, I've told you,

1034
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: I love their staff. A lot of folks love that

1035
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: area of the country. A lot of folks have long

1036
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,959
Speaker 2: since looked for a reason to go play and coach there.

1037
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: Mac Brown's done it. Good staffers are choosing to go

1038
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: there because there's a reason now you can win at

1039
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: North Carolina. Good players are going there because you can

1040
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: win at North Carolina. Haven't done it yet doesn't always

1041
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: mean will never do it.

1042
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,959
Speaker 1: Gene Chiswick's the defensive coordinator there.

1043
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm really intrigued by how he fares this year because

1044
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: you got some folks who have succeeded going into the

1045
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: TV booth and then coming back out. You got a

1046
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: lot more in multiple sports where the game's passed them

1047
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: by nwink. Chiswicks still been really involved and he's been

1048
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: really dialed in on the game, probably taking a lot

1049
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: of visits that you don't know anything about, met with

1050
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: staffs on his own dime in his own time. So

1051
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: I don't think that they're gonna take any huge step back.

1052
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 2: In fact, quite the opposite. I think they'll take steps

1053
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: forward this year. Defensively.

1054
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: North Carolina would be the second one. Let's go with

1055
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: Pitt though.

1056
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: Pitt has to be mentioned here because Pitt just won

1057
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: the ACC last year, and so if they were to

1058
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 2: win it again this year, that would be a streak,

1059
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: you know, and it would not be the Clemson Tigers

1060
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: on that streak. So what we could have is we

1061
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 2: could have a situation where every year people look for

1062
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 2: a reason out there, anything under the sun, that gives

1063
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: them an excuse to bet against Pitt, and then Pitt

1064
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: could just be one of those underappreciated, overlooked, rock solid

1065
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: developmental cultures that always gets every last drop out of

1066
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: every player on that squad, and they end up there

1067
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: every year.

1068
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: That could happen. That would have to be their formula.

1069
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: Pitt would not rack up untold amounts of four and

1070
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: five Starbard crew. That's not reasonable. That's not their path.

1071
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: They know that's not their path. That doesn't mean they

1072
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: don't have a path, though, and especially if Clemson's out

1073
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: of the way. In this scenario, there's you know, there's

1074
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: no goliath that you have to slay every year.

1075
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: Pitt could do that. They won the I mean they

1076
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: won the.

1077
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: Acc as recently last year obviously, but also they just

1078
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 2: showed you something that's important. They showed you the ability

1079
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: to attract transfer portal quarterback talent. Now, if you continue

1080
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: to do that, and the old history book that we've

1081
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: been flipping through a lot tonight says, once you do

1082
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,959
Speaker 2: it one time, it's kind of a domino effect, whether

1083
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 2: it be traditional recruiting or portal recruiting. Still a young era, obviously,

1084
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: but let's see if Pitt's able to do it that way.

1085
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: The fourth one is North Carolina State. I paused for

1086
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: a second because North Carolina State does not get a

1087
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: lot of mention on the show, and I've had accusations

1088
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 2: thrown at me that we don't talk about them enough,

1089
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: and you're right, we don't talk about them enough. So

1090
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: North Carolina's or North Carolina State is the fourth. They're

1091
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: not gonna light that I left the state off. N

1092
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: C State's the fourth team. Here in C State, they

1093
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: love that. They're a quiet contender. They were last year,

1094
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: they will be again this year. Now I'm going to

1095
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: do my part and try and mention them more. But

1096
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: in C State could basically duplicate what I just said

1097
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: about Pitt. They'd just be a couple of states further

1098
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: south and with better access to talent.

1099
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: NC State's got to have that year. If they can

1100
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: just have that.

1101
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: Year, you know, play for an ACC title for example.

1102
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: If they can just have that year, it would rub

1103
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: some of the anonymity off the program. They've landed some

1104
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: good players, make no mistake about it. They need more

1105
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: of those kind of players to sustain a run. And

1106
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: to do that, they have to have more of at

1107
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: least a regional brand and a regional identity.

1108
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: There's a lot of.

1109
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: Anonymity still around that program. That doesn't mean they're not

1110
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: good and not full of good folks, quite the opposite,

1111
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: but they need that to get the kind of athlete

1112
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 2: and the quantity of those athletes to sustain a run.

1113
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: That really boils down to doing something this year. They've

1114
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: got the team to do it. They got a lot

1115
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: of important pieces back, They've got a lot of cohesion there.

1116
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: They need to have one of those years this year

1117
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: because they can parlay that. They can dovetail that, use

1118
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 2: your nomenclature. They can use that to hopefully snowball their

1119
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: way to now a multi year run of success in

1120
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: the ACC instead of building up to a couple of

1121
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: years and then falling back down. Last question, Thank you

1122
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: for being with us tonight. Last question here lou is asking.

1123
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to expand the playoffs either, but when

1124
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: Texas and Oklahoma joined the SEC, we could be looking

1125
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: at a year where three or maybe even four of

1126
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: the best teams are all in the same conference, but

1127
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: only two could make it. That feels wrong. What are

1128
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: your thoughts, Lou, You want to know my thoughts in

1129
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: the playoff? Uh, my thoughts when Texas and OU get

1130
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: to the SEC as it released the playoff are the

1131
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: same as my thoughts on the playoff right now. I

1132
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: don't really care about it, but I know that's my

1133
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 2: personal feel So in order to do this question just

1134
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: I think I need to take my own heart and

1135
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: I need to set it over here, and I probably

1136
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: need to answer in a more generic fashion. Actually, let

1137
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: me give you one more personal take. You know what,

1138
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: when Texas and Oklahoma are here, you are dead on

1139
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: the money accurate about this, And when they get in

1140
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: the conference, even more so, you'll have years where you

1141
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: absolutely have a handful of the best teams in the

1142
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: country in the same conference. What this is going to

1143
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: do for me personally is it's just going to make

1144
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: me value the SEC Championship game more. Now, how the

1145
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: rest of the country handles that is their business. But

1146
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: to me, like I remember when I was growing up,

1147
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: I would watch the Atlanta Breves play one hundred and

1148
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: sixty two regular season games, right and a lot of

1149
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: times in the Bobby Cox years when they were winning

1150
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: fourteenth straight division titles, they'd end up running away with

1151
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: their division and that have far and away the best

1152
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: record in baseball, and then coast the last month of

1153
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: the year, and then they'd played like a red hot

1154
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: wild card team in the first round of the playoff

1155
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 2: that had to crawl over broken glass to get in

1156
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 2: and they get knocked out in the first round. Well,

1157
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: did that tell me that wildcard team was the better team.

1158
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: It didn't tell me that. It told me there were

1159
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: the hotter team. The one hundred and sixty two game

1160
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: season was the truest test to me of who the

1161
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: best team is. Well, think about what the SEC schedule

1162
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 2: is going to be. That it's not one hundred and

1163
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: sixty two fortunately, but the eight or nine or ten

1164
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: whatever they choose it to be game conference schedule, and

1165
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: then being able to get through that and making it

1166
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,479
Speaker 2: to Atlanta and winning the SEC Championship. There is gonna

1167
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: come a time in the not too distant future where

1168
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: at least I look at that and there may be

1169
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: a year where I say I think I value the

1170
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: SEC Championship more than the playoff because I see a

1171
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 2: larger collection of the best teams in the country. I

1172
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: know people in Columbus, Ohio recoil at that, because Ohio

1173
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: State fans say, doesn't matter which teams you have down there,

1174
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna still be one of the best in the country.

1175
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that.

1176
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: Ditto any given year in place is like Michigan, or

1177
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: places like usc places like Oregon, I don't doubt that

1178
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: at all. What I'm telling you is the totality of

1179
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: the schedule that you'll have to play down in the SEC,

1180
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: especially once those two get here, makes everything else pale

1181
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 2: in comparison. So that's the way I'm going to look

1182
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: at it now. For the SEC's stance in all this,

1183
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: this explains.

1184
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: To you why we are where we are.

1185
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: Well, let me rephrase why you are where you are

1186
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: with the conference and playoff expansion and all that stuff.

1187
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 2: I've largely stayed out of this because I don't care

1188
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: about the playoff to begin with. But a lot of

1189
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: you guys who want playoff expansion and thought you had it,

1190
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the rud got pulled out from

1191
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: under you, and you found out that it turns out

1192
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: not everyone was on board with everyone else's requirements, and

1193
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: then the more you hear about it, the more you

1194
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 2: hear Greg Sank and the SEC saying, I mean, we

1195
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: want an expanded playoff, but we don't really need one.

1196
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: This thing's been okay to us as it is. His

1197
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: requirement was what his requirement was. We want to go

1198
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: to twelve teams. But whatever model we go to, our

1199
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: requirement in the SEC is you have at least as

1200
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: many at large spots as you do auto bids. Translation,

1201
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: my conference is already the toughest in America. It's about

1202
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: to get a whole lot tougher, whether you knew it

1203
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: at the time or not. With OU and Texas joining,

1204
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: this is going to be a total meat grinder of

1205
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: a schedule. We've got bigger stadiums than most anyone. We've

1206
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 2: got more high caliber athletes than most anyone, better teams,

1207
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: better coaches than almost anyone. I am not going to

1208
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: penalize my conference by locking ourselves into a contract where

1209
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: a maximum of only a couple of them can make

1210
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: your precious playoff. No, no, no, no, You're going to

1211
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: have an opportunity if you want me to sign on

1212
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: the dotted line for this playoff contract, you're gonna give

1213
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: me the opportunity to get multiples of these teams in

1214
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: because any given year, maybe I don't have just one

1215
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: or two of the best twelve in the country. Maybe

1216
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 2: I got half a dozen of the best twelve in

1217
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 2: the country. You're going to put my best teams in,

1218
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: or I'm not going to sign off on your playoff

1219
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: because news flash, the current format's already working pretty well

1220
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: for us anyway. And if you need further proof, why

1221
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: don't you hit the rewind button about three months and

1222
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: watch two of my teams play from the national championship

1223
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: about a month after they played for my conference championship.

1224
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: Signed xoxo, Greg Sanki. I endorse that line of thinking,

1225
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: only I would go a step further and say, you

1226
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: know what, forget it, we're staying it for Nay, we

1227
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: may want to go back to two.

1228
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: That would be me, But you know how it is.

1229
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: So I just think when they get to the SEC,

1230
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: I think a lot of folks are going to have

1231
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: to see it before they understand how they feel about it.

1232
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: But I think there may be an opportunity for you

1233
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: down the road to watch that conference and say to

1234
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: yourself dude, the playoff. I still want to watch it

1235
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: and everything, but look at what the SEC schedule is

1236
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: compared to what the rest of the country plays, And

1237
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,959
Speaker 2: then you're going to reason in your own mind how

1238
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: you value their conference championship versus what their team's do

1239
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: in the playoff. I just think to myself, with a

1240
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: conference that loaded, I may just inflate my value of

1241
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: the conference championship more than I really care what the

1242
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: playoff format is. That's just me though, League City, Texas.

1243
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: They're watching us there tonight, Naples, Florida, Beach Island, South

1244
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: Carolina watching I'm stunned that we got this show in

1245
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: in under an hour, but we did.

1246
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: Things on Cameo are going great.

1247
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to wrap the show by telling you a story,

1248
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 2: but keeping the names anonymous. Cameo, of course, is where

1249
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: you can just give me pretty much any intel you

1250
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: want me to have. It could be happy Birthday, it

1251
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: could be call my cousin bad names.

1252
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: Do you want me to I will for the right price.

1253
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: Somebody the other day wants to roast their friend and

1254
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: so they submit a cameo request, and the cameo request was,

1255
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: and I quote, this guy just got kicked off the

1256
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: debate team for being too bougie and for going on

1257
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: too many times dates, and armed with that information and

1258
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: that information alone, I let loose and was happy to

1259
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: do it because you know, with every choice there are

1260
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: consequences in life. And in nineteen seventy eight, it would

1261
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: just be your old man takes away your college tuition

1262
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: for a semester. But in the year of our lower

1263
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, that may still happen, but then the

1264
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: government will subsidize that part of it. I'm coming in

1265
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: hot though on the cameo request, so if you are

1266
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: so interested, there is a link on my Twitter profile

1267
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: at late Kick Josh. Appreciate you guys being tuned in.

1268
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: We're going to be right back here Sunday. I don't

1269
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: know how loaded the show can be. Couldn't be any

1270
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: more loaded than this, but we'll have full Spring Reaction Texas,

1271
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: LSU's in Action Organs and Action Tennessee. I think we

1272
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: got a bunch of spring games, so we'll have that

1273
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: for you. We're going to run back the Boldest Takes

1274
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: Part two this Sunday.

1275
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: We got a lot to get to. We've already got

1276
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: like most of the Sunday show. Now, we could probably

1277
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: do it right.

1278
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: Now until then, though, our entire production executive team tirelessly

1279
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: working today. Producer Jesse Fingers work down to the nubs,

1280
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: Director Colling punching away in there.

1281
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm Josh Pate. Have yourselves a great early start to year, weekend,

1282
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: and God bless