1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot Im a production of I Heart Radio. Okay, okay, 2 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: we've been going down quite a rabbit hole of of 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: thoughts and I guess just just frustration over all awful 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: and and and it's time for a beam of light. Okay, 5 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: it is time for being like looking looking for a superhero. 6 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking, honey, O. Yes, we got somebody on the line. 7 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please clap your hands for Dr Sheena Holly. 8 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: If anybody knows how to find a superhero, it's I 9 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: can create one. That's what I'm talking about. That's what 10 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Weird our man as a collective, we 11 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: could just create a superhero with our minds right now, 12 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: somebody that was real, you know, just a real superhero. 13 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Yes see, this is what Dr she No Howard does. 14 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: She is a brilliant comic book expert and author, a director, 15 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: a professor, a mom. Yes, so the stakes are high 16 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: around here. Okay, you created a comic book called superb 17 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: Your leading character has uh down syndroms. That is yes, correct? Correct? Okay, 18 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 1: so you were going all out the box. Yeah yeah, 19 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I like to challenge the dominant narrative, 20 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: the kind of like the single dimension iconography that we 21 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: always see, right. So, when I'm thinking about writing, because 22 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm a writer, so I don't like, I don't do 23 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: the art, but I write, I'm thinking about different family 24 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: structures that we can high and like, you know, different 25 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: types of superheroes, like superheroes with down syndrome. Um, you know, 26 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: I want to see more stories with single fathers. Right 27 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: in the media, you would think single fathers don't exist, right, 28 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: or or single black mothers who are raising their children 29 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: but also succeeding right, Like they're not. They're not being 30 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: punished for being a single mom in some way, right. 31 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: So I'm always thinking about how we can can challenge 32 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: the dominant narratives through that. That's my lens through which 33 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: I write bless you, thank you, I love it. I'm 34 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: curious to know, like what led you to to to 35 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: having that be at the core of your belief system. 36 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: I mean, was there some sort of life changing moment, 37 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: Was there a process to which you went through Is 38 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: something that just blew your mind to where you're like, yeah, 39 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: I gotta do something differently, Yeah, you know, I just 40 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: never really felt represented growing up in Philadelphia, Um, you know, 41 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: I was raised in a single parent house whole, like 42 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people in Philadelphia, unfortunately or fortunately depending 43 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: on how you look at it, and um, you know, 44 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: just all my identities and who I was and how 45 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to express myself, and like thinking just about 46 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: role models and representation that I would see growing up, 47 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: I just never felt I just always felt like it 48 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: was the same story, just package differently, the same type 49 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: of family, just package differently. And so, I you know, 50 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: representation is powerful. Seeing people do things that look like 51 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: us are powerful. You know. I had someone tell me, 52 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: um here at the coworking space, you know, that I 53 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: was like a unicorn because I'm a black woman and 54 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm a professor. Like he was like he's like he's like, 55 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: he's like, you don't like exist in my right. And 56 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of true because I had one black professor 57 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: my entire college career until I went to Howard University. 58 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: Then I was like, everybody's a black professor. Yes, yeah, exactly. 59 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: So Howard, it's like, oh, like there are thousands of 60 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: black and thousands of black professors, right, and so just 61 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: sometimes you don't kind of see a representation of who 62 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: you can be and so I'm trying to really trying 63 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: to make these stories mainstream that I tell from from 64 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: a different perspective. So can I ask you this? Because 65 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: we talked about we had we wanted to do come 66 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: on this show for so many reasons. We also wanted 67 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: to talk about black women and these unfamiliar spaces, thriving 68 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: and being no being being leaders and the spaces. But 69 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm so curious, since you are about inclusion and diversity, 70 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: like how you fell in love? I don't know if 71 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: I ever asked you how you fell in love with 72 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: the genre and what what did you fall in love? 73 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: What story did you first fall in love with? Yeah, 74 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: so so comics, particularly in writing comics. I fell in 75 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: love with the Boondocks comic strip, the Boondocks comics. Yes, so, 76 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: like you know, I wasn't reading comic books as a kid, 77 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: Like this comic book world is really serious, Like you 78 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: know they have kids have been reading comic books in 79 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: twelve thirteen. You know you can tell you what pages what. 80 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm not that person. At Howard, I did my dissertation 81 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: on the boot Dots comic strip. I wrote a hundred 82 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: and sixty pages on the boon docks yet and I 83 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: like the comic strip, but actually, in analyzing the comic strip, 84 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: lots of gender issues and oh yes, yes, like where's 85 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: the mother? Anytime they talked about a black woman, it 86 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: was that the it was like the butt of a joke, 87 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: like there's one joke in there, like your mama is 88 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: so fat when she jumped, she got stuck in the air, 89 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: like and so that was like the narrative in the strip, 90 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: and I had to step back, like, man, I've been 91 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: consuming this for years. I love it. But like when 92 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: you really do and those things stick with us, like 93 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: when you may not actively understand how representation is gonna us, 94 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: but but those those images stick with us. Even thinking 95 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: about little jazz men and the bone, I just really 96 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: thought about that little jazz and a little white girl 97 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: update but a little mixed girl that he was, and 98 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: she had all types of identity issues, right, she was 99 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: confused complictly, I'm telling you, all of the women in 100 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: color in the Boondocks are like negative representation. So how 101 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: do you how did you feel? How did you feel 102 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: about um? Like critiquing something that is really culturally important 103 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of people from our generation, I mean 104 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: especially as it pertains to gender. Tell me what kind 105 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: of feedback you got. I mean, I can imagine that 106 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: you've got a lot of criticism for that. Yes, who 107 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: are you? You didn't even start exactly exactly, especially in 108 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: the male dominated field of comics as far as who's 109 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: creating them and who gets to tell the story. But 110 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: I felt great about analyzing the Boon Dots. And I'll 111 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: tell you, like when I go on shows, and especially 112 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: when I when I talk to men, They're like, oh 113 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: my god, what do you mean? Like what do you 114 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: mean the Boon Dogs has issues? And I'm like, listen, like, 115 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just, you know, I'm just I'm just 116 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: telling you the story. I'm pointing it out. I'm just 117 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: showing you where we can do better. And I think 118 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: that I think all media is up for critique, right, 119 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: I think us how we pushed the boundaries and how 120 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: we get better. I think I think that's how we 121 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: get to a space of inclusion. And the vision of 122 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: the world I want to see is you know, we're 123 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: we're all coexisting happily, right, We're all we can we 124 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: can all co exist together and happy with all of 125 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: these different types of identities. And family structures and whatever 126 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: it may be, right and did you know Okay, I'm sorry, 127 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: last question about the Blue Dogs, because I'm just did 128 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: you know that the last season that that Angela Nizzle 129 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: had did a lot of the writing from Philip like 130 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: a black woman from Philadelphia had did a lot of 131 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: writing for the comic strip or the tele actual strip, 132 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: but the actual cartoon, because the cartoon, so listen, the 133 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: comic strip was at least witty and smart. The show. 134 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't even watch the show. I mean, you're talking 135 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: about Granddad's dating a stripper, and like it was, it was. 136 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: It was too much for me. It was too much 137 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 1: for me. I tuned out. I tuned out once granddad 138 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: was dating the stripper, like that was actually all damn 139 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: And that was last season more real talk after the break. 140 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: I'm so impressed, or you know, I am, because I 141 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: think the joy you have and the joy that you're 142 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: that you're exhibiting in this moment about giving this critique 143 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: is even more impressive than the critique itself, because it's 144 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: not even allowed a lot of what I know you've 145 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: gotten the result to make you angry, upset, whatever, You're 146 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: so unbothered and I love this. I love this because 147 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: we need to be able to critique our own stuff. 148 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: Now Black Panther, we love it sometimes. But you know 149 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: there's some Black American representation in the it's not it's 150 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: not positive for us Black Americans. And you wrote the 151 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: book on that too. I did. I just just finished 152 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: Why What kind of Matters? And you know it's it's 153 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: lots of positive fatigue, collective identity, you know, womanhood, all 154 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: of that, But are there are some chapters in there 155 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, but this is not looking good 156 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: for Black Americans. For Black Americans, it's just all trauma. 157 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: Like the movie is traumaic for Black Americans. If you 158 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: really go back and whit, like read Why What kind 159 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: of Matters? And then go back and watch that movie. 160 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: You're the whole conversation to you about like are you 161 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna help them because y'all got everything? And I'm 162 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: Black Americans saying yeah up, you know, and then when 163 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: then when kill Monger you know, dies and goes back 164 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: to his ancestral plane, it's just trauma, right. The moment 165 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: that black people return to is trauma. The moment that 166 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,119 Speaker 1: you know, to Challa, the African returns to his all beautiful. 167 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: He got his lineage there, So it's it's it's actually 168 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: it's and and what kinda doesn't go back and help 169 00:09:55,240 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: the rest of Africa exactly? And then and then if 170 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: the rest of Africa doesn't have its own traumas as well, 171 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: it's like it's just like, oh, we're just gonna go. Yes, 172 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: But look, I don't know what's going to happen to 173 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 1: Oakland because at the end of the movie, you know 174 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: that you know it's going but it sounds like it's 175 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: just gonna be drinking gentrified to me. I don't know. 176 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know. So we got 177 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: we can you talk about can you talk about the Whiz? Next? 178 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: Can you do about who ages? You don't have people 179 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: in the comments like, man, I'm talking about the monkeys. 180 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: That's too soon. It's a lot of things. You know. 181 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: We have watched The Whiz maybe a thousand times. Really really, 182 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: I thought from the I took the wids to show 183 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: and tell so and that was like in the third 184 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: grade anyway, some critiques were prepared for is somewhere not. 185 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: That was like we talking about the wisdom this mug 186 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: I will show I want to be open. I'm absolutely 187 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: open to it. I feel like that's a great conversation. 188 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: It was, it's so much. That's the richest musical that 189 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: I've ever seen period. Y'all. Just give me my next 190 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: book topic. Let me write that down. It's thick. And 191 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: also do the color purple ply? Oh yes, because you 192 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 1: know these are things that we absolutely love. You know, 193 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: not to speak for all black people because you can't 194 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: do that, but I will say that the majority of 195 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: folks love, you know, a particular kind of story and 196 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: the Black Panther people. Though, haven't you been contacted about 197 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: your opinions and things in that nature? I was, oh 198 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: so so. Actually, the concept design artists for for the 199 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: film Black Panther wrote the forward, why what kind of matters? 200 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not I'm not that deep in 201 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: with them. But you know, I didn't get invited to 202 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: the premier, so I'm not very yet. But maybe the 203 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: next one. Maybe the next that's all right, you mean 204 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: your own character? So yes, I like the idea of like, okay, 205 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: so everyone, you know, the being word right now is 206 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: like afro futurism and people talking about imagining the blackness 207 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: in the future and blackness outside of you know, what 208 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: we know to be quote unquote reality and all these things. 209 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: And my my kid is especially like hyped up about 210 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: the movie Children of Blood and Bone that that's that 211 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: that's coming soon, God willing? Does everybody know? Does everybody 212 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: notice listening right now? Just making sure well, it's a 213 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: it's a book that the third book is has I 214 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: think just been finished in the series. This is it's 215 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: a book about um, black people with special powers and 216 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: there their Uh it's like this epic story of a 217 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: journey and this girl and it's it's the central character 218 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: as a girl, and and uh, it's just a lot 219 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: it's involved. They all have powers tied to different like 220 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: elements and things like that. But but the reason why 221 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: I brought it up is just because I just wanted 222 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: to kind of hear your thoughts about um these I 223 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: feel like this new generation of kids has you know, 224 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 1: is into anime. They're into so much more kind of 225 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: really creative stuff. They're into comic books. They really can 226 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: see themselves in different ways than we didn't really grow 227 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: up seeing ourselves. And so like, how are you, you know, 228 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: how do you feel as parents we need to be 229 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: like addressing these more imaginative, imaginative groups of kids, and 230 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: what type of material can you even suggest that we 231 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: can expose them to that would push these kind of 232 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, these these these thoughts forward and ingrain them 233 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: in their minds. Yeah, you're absolutely right. So, like you 234 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: can get kids to read a lot of deep stuff 235 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: by putting it in like a comic book or graphic 236 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,599 Speaker 1: novel form, like this book that I just wrote for 237 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia public school system called Black Lives Always Mattered. 238 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: It literally was. It's not even for sales, literally written 239 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: for their curriculum. It's all about black leaders that are 240 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: from Philadelphia or who have come through Philadelphia and their 241 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: profile pieces. But it's a graphic novel. So instead of 242 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: you know, giving them like a book feature, you know, 243 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: Frederick Douglas's book, or you know, these are graphic novel 244 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: stories where they can read them and they can enjoy them, 245 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 1: and they still can get the same in formation. But 246 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: and they don't even all the time realize that they're 247 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: learning history because they have the images in the in 248 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: the in the text. And so I'm really proud of 249 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: that book because it's like literally in every public school 250 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: in the city. Um, but the applause, congradulations, thank you. 251 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: I think you probably love this. I don't know. We'll 252 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: see Dr Howard. I I love Wild Seed. It's one 253 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: of my Yeah, book turned that into a graphic novel. 254 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: But Kendred Is is a is a graphic novel, Yes 255 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: it is, and that's a New York Times bestseller. Yeah. 256 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: John Jennings did um that Kendrick book. And he actually 257 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: does a lot of my book covers from my for 258 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: my edited books. Um so yeah, John Jennings is a 259 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: great person to check out in terms of work, Like 260 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: if you were asking, like we're, um, you know, stories 261 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: for kids that are like afro futurism based and helping 262 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: us to reimagine the future, like imagine the future with 263 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: black people in it, right, black people in it, you know, 264 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: in a positive way. Um So that's a great place 265 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: to start to John Jennings. Like, John, I'm just not Yeah, 266 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: your energy, your energy is doing a lot for me 267 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: personally right now. Yeah. Like literally I can't tell the 268 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: people like I literally had you know on another podcast 269 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: and I was like, this energy is needed for jd Il. 270 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: I was like, and Jail is gonna eat this up 271 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: and fit and we need another tribe. This is gonna tribe. 272 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: If you are my tribe. You know, I'm just grateful. 273 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna remember the next time I'm next time 274 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: i'm critiquing something through the lens of gender, I'm gonna 275 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: smile really big when I do it, because that is 276 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I'm gonna pull that from you, because honestly, 277 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times when we're doing something, 278 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: when we're offering a critique of about something that people love, 279 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: they automatically feel this sense of that you're an adversary 280 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: and not their partner, or they're you're not in it 281 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: with them. You're not also saying I love the piece too, 282 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm just singing, you know, or I just love I 283 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: love this part of us. But I'm just gonna tell 284 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: you just maybe point out some things that maybe you 285 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: need to see. And I've gotten so frustrated with that 286 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: many times. So I feel like your energy. I can't 287 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: imagine somebody listening to you about that. And you said 288 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: you're a mom, So I'm just like curious, like when 289 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: your kids do wrong stuff, like they're probably like okay, 290 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: so you know, he's he's still a little he's still 291 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: a little young. But um, but yeah, like you know, 292 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: I love black media. I love black content, but we 293 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: also need to create, you know, push it. We need 294 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: to we need to push it. We need to critique 295 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: it so we can so we can, you know, do 296 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: better right understand what we're consuming a little bit. Can 297 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: you tell us, tell us three things that you need 298 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: that you can put people on it. They need to 299 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: be looking at right now, whether it be reading or watching. 300 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you also taught me I also 301 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: have to make this knowing that she didn't makes it. 302 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: Know that like comic book and the TV stuffs separate fans, 303 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: separate storylines. So yeah, yeah, and a lot of times 304 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: the writers of the comic books and graphic novels don't 305 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 1: necessarily don't work on the movies like they are there too, 306 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: which I don't understand. We had that converse. I don't 307 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: understand why you do that to fans, Like why don't 308 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: you just bring them together? I don't know. Like, yes, 309 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: it's kind of tough because you know, I wrote on 310 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: one Woman, the Black wonder Woman. The story is called 311 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: fresh Air in Philly because you know, I represent But 312 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, when those things get to you know, you 313 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: get paid to do that and then you're there, you're out, 314 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: like you're out the picture. So that story became something more, 315 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: was turned into a movie. They don't they're not necessarily 316 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: going to ask me to you know, to be in 317 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: that room something that you create it. But but six, 318 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: I didn't create it. I just wrote it, right, So 319 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: d C Comics, Ah, this is these things, they own 320 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: the characters. It's just like any other industry. That's why 321 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: we push for creator own content. And you know the 322 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: music industry is the same the same way. Uh you know, 323 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: you know it's called work for hire. You these companies 324 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: play you to write the story, then you're done. That's why. 325 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: That's why try and tell the writers like sometimes the 326 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: thing that you're trying to get does not always come 327 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: with what you think it comes with. Like, yeah, people 328 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: are just you know, writing to be like New York 329 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: Times bestsellers or right for d C and Marvel, And 330 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, when you hit that, it's not what you 331 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: think it is. So here's just what it is. They 332 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: pay you. They pay you to write these large companies. 333 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: So now I can go out and say, hey, I 334 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: wrote Wonder Woman, Right, that's impressive, right, So I can, 335 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: if you're smart, you can use it as a marketing 336 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: and a promotional tool because for comics that's the top 337 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: of the line right right, for DC or Marvel. So 338 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: it's how you use it, but setting that as your goal. 339 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: And some people think certain things come with fitting for 340 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: these major companies, and they don't. They just give you 341 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: your check, you write the story, and it's kind of 342 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: like it's not gonna guarantee you anything. You know, visibility, 343 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: You have to you have to understand marketing and promotion 344 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: of your of yourself. I'm going to say this that 345 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: I was. I wrote for harm Hallmark a year and 346 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: a half, and I really thought that that it was 347 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: gonna be like a household thing. I really thought out 348 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: of lines that really you were. I had no idea 349 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: how difficult writing cards is exactly just just the seven 350 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: what is it? Thirty six characters? Uh? Non binary was 351 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: slightly romantic. Uh um. The list of adjectives and how 352 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: to create things where it was very challenging. So, like 353 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: you said, it may not always be what you think 354 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: is called exactly. It doesn't always give what it's supposed 355 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: to get exactly. I thought it was gonna get Well, 356 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: here's here's one last question. Dr Shena Howard. What's on 357 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: your heart? So I'm really excited about um this new 358 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: song that I just co wrote that's on my heart 359 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: right now. I wrote a book called Nina's Whisper. It's 360 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: basically a psychological thriller about a toxic relationship because we've 361 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: all been in one at some point. Um, and I 362 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: just co wrote my first track and it's called Nina's Whisper. 363 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: And I connected with the vocalist. Her name is Sonny 364 00:20:52,800 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: out of Philadelphia. She's amazing Sonny. It might be the 365 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: same because she's pretty. She's pretty, she's pretty popular. Her 366 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: Instagram is funny as you. And then I e UM 367 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: and I co wrote it with another music artist named 368 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: brother Zim. And so I'm really excited about that because 369 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to raise the bar for what an author 370 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: can do. So like when my books out, you're not 371 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: coming to a book signing event, You're coming to like 372 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: an album release party. Right, I'm trying to brand this, 373 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: you know, take taking this to the next level of 374 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: how we can collaborate and cross industries. Yeah, sister, that's 375 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: what's up all the days thank you guy, that you 376 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: are in these spaces representing us, like I just appreciate it. 377 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: And that's why I very great. Yeah, having I have 378 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: a household with four girls and to two of which 379 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: we are fourteen years old. And you know they just 380 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: went to comic Con they you know, yeah, and they 381 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: there that's all they talk about and you know they 382 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: they're into so much of this material themselves. And you know, 383 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: to meet you today and for me to be able 384 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: to take that into the conversation with them is Glenn 385 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: feel I feel like it's gonna give me a lot. 386 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come up this season child between you and 387 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: us talking to a still universe. I'm the best mom 388 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: on the like giving me all kinds of street cred. 389 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: If you want comic books signed wonder Woman comic books 390 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: and yeah, you know where to find what I do 391 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: I do? Just email me. For sure you didn't give 392 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: us our book list, but I was like, did you 393 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: give us a quick one? Yeah? Yo, that's hard because 394 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: like I got so many writing projects. I haven't I've 395 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: been listening. You don't have to be involved. It could 396 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,719 Speaker 1: just be other people who are doing how you are. 397 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: I love that. I don't play like the branding company. 398 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: So I don't play. I please, so yo. I'm not even. 399 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm not even reading anything right now. I can't. I 400 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: can't even. I can't even. That's so sad. Sometimes when 401 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: you're working on your own stuff. I didn't even listen 402 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: to anything else. You can't because that's taken away time 403 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: from these three books. I gotta finish one, like we're 404 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break and then we'll be right back. 405 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: Don't watch Billy Davy, you do. Oh wow? I live 406 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: well Okay, they don't call it Southwest anymore, but I 407 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: do live there. It's also cute. The jestification just hard 408 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: to keep up. It's so cute. Yeah. I was telling 409 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: them a couple of weeks ago that my old neighborhood 410 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: is poodle Town. Poodle poodle Town Where and are Yeah? Yeah, wow, 411 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: the Spring Garden area that's going through something some changes. Yeah, 412 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: the blocks and block block block. So somebody told me 413 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: that I had to tell um mentioned to Jill the 414 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: five spot they were. Make sure you make sure you 415 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: mentioned the five Spot. I used to be up in there. 416 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: I used to see they was, they were real hype. 417 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: But you tell all of us on tour. I was like, yeah, 418 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: Jill was working mostly please, I was standing next to you. 419 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what you was on. I thought you 420 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: was working that I was up in the five spot. Everybody. 421 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: I feel like everybody was all everybody, that's a shame. 422 00:24:54,840 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: Well I think you babycause you're a baby. Maybe, but 423 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: it was around when I was maybe you didn't maybe 424 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: you probably yeah, yeah, how did you miss it? If 425 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: you're I'm a total nerd. I went, I went to school, 426 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: and I came home. Look shout out to all the 427 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: total nerds. We were talking earlier about having this revolutionary, 428 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: this this brazen imagination. These are the things that are 429 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: required in order to change the place that we're currently 430 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: living in. UM. I want you to be inspired all 431 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: the time. Uh. And we acknowledge our feelings and appreciate 432 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: the fact that here we are, there, we are on 433 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: the swing. Isn't going as high as we wanted to go, 434 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: but it's still moving. Thank you so much, Dr Sheina 435 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: Howard for being a part of our conversations and telling 436 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: us what's on your heart. And thank you everybody for 437 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: listening to Jay dot Ilga podcast Blessed. How do you 438 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: Eat an Elephant? One by it time. Hello, dear listeners, 439 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: it's Amber the producer here. I hope you are soaking 440 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: in all of this melon and magic from today's episode. 441 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: I am so inspired by the light that is Dr 442 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: Shena Howard. What a gift, and as promised, she is 443 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: the gift that keeps on giving. She left us with 444 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: an incredible summer reading list. Just a few titles that 445 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: she mentioned Our March by John Lewis and The Black 446 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: Panther Party, a graphic novel by David F. Walker. And 447 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: do not forget to check out her first music project, 448 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: Nina's Whisper. The full reading list and music as linked 449 00:26:54,600 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: in the show notes. Hi, if you have comments on 450 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: something we said in this episode called eight six six, 451 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: Hey Jill, if you want to add to this conversation, 452 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: that's eight six six nine five four five five, don't 453 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: forget to tell us your name and the episode you're 454 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: referring to. 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