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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Yo Ho Ho.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as

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Speaker 1: always so much for tuning in. Let's give it up

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Speaker 1: for the buccaneer, the privates here of Ridiculous History, super

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Speaker 1: producer mister Rex Williams.

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Speaker 2: Yo Ho ho and a bottle of rum or something

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Speaker 2: they loved rum they did. It's a little sugary for

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Speaker 2: my taste.

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Speaker 1: I'm not yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's true. I do like a tiaki drink though. I

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Speaker 2: really like a tiaki drink, and a lot of those

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Speaker 2: do contain rum, but it's not like required.

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Speaker 1: And it's with so many fruit juices. And there's this

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Speaker 1: presentation the Equi Mall. There's a great tiki bar that

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Speaker 1: we always try to go to when we're in La

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Speaker 1: and we can tiki tie. Yeah, we go to see

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Speaker 1: go to We go to this tiki bar whenever we

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Speaker 1: have time in town and it's a little place, but

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Speaker 1: they serve these amazing drinks and you have to be

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Speaker 1: really careful with those two man, because I could drink

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Speaker 1: like one and then I think it's time to eat

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Speaker 1: trash street food and go.

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Speaker 2: To bed well, which is easy to do. In La

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Speaker 2: But also I think tiki t or Tiki Ti is

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Speaker 2: like in the pantheon of like great American tiki bars.

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Speaker 2: They invented some drink there, some form of corpse revivor

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Speaker 2: or whatever. Maybe it was. I mean again, I don't

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Speaker 2: think it was that. Robert Lamb of stuff to splow

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Speaker 2: your mind is the guy that turned us onto the

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Speaker 2: spot in the first place. But it's super cool if

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Speaker 2: you're ever there. It's also right by these Scientology like

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Speaker 2: studio backlot. It's like Scientology just have bought a lesser

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Speaker 2: like studio. It has the gates and everything, and it's

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Speaker 2: got all these billboards for their propaganda stuff. But we

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Speaker 2: don't want to get sued by the Church of Scientology,

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Speaker 2: so let's talk about pirates instead. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also, also we were very respectful when we got two

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Speaker 1: or three cocktails deep and ran around and had a

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Speaker 1: boot like photo shooting for the church.

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Speaker 2: So thank you. We didn't hop the gate fully.

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Speaker 1: We just peeked through, which is fine, which is totally fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ben your Nol and we're talking there we go

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Speaker 1: when most people today in the West think of historical pirates,

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Speaker 1: not modern day pirates, which are definitely a thing we

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Speaker 1: kind of think in terms of larger than life fiction.

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Speaker 1: Long John Silver's not the restaurant. I still don't know

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Speaker 1: anyone who goes to that restaurant. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: they're open.

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Speaker 2: I do have one near my eyes. I do not go.

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Speaker 2: It's like there's a Long John Silver and a red Lobster,

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Speaker 2: sort of the last bastions of like fast food seafood,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh, and then Captain D's. Don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's still around.

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Speaker 2: It's pronounced cap'n. It's like crunch. Okay, it's still around. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm misconsturing my captain versus captains. Yeah, Long John

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Speaker 2: Silvers and Captain D's I think famously not great, but

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Speaker 2: I think they're part of one of the or at

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Speaker 2: least Long John Silver is part of one of those

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Speaker 2: big hospitality groups that's like owns like a bunch of

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Speaker 2: other fast food restaurants. You will sometimes see a combination

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Speaker 2: Long John Silvers and uh whatever. Yeah exactly, So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're right, you're right.

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Speaker 1: This is it's young brands, young brands who own so

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Speaker 1: much stuff. That's that's exactly what you're talking about, Noel.

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Speaker 1: They they they're the same folks who own Pizza Hut, KFC,

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Speaker 1: Taco Bell, and uh, like hundreds of other things. Then

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Speaker 1: Long John Silver's weirdly enough, you know, maybe we should

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Speaker 1: do store fast food origin stories in a later episode. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get of the pirates. We're getting there with

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Speaker 1: this segue. Long John Silver's, the restaurant in the US

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Speaker 1: is named after a character, a pirate in a beautiful

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Speaker 1: novel called Treasure Island by Robert Lewis Stevenson. And when

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Speaker 1: we think about this, when we think about pirates in

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Speaker 1: the West, we think about things like Johnny Depp and

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Speaker 1: Pirates of the Caribbean, or that ride at Disney Pirates

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Speaker 1: of the Caribbean. And there are Pirates of the Pancreas

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Speaker 1: or Pirates of the Pancreas from It's Ricksteil project.

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Speaker 3: Don't insult the Pirates of the Pancress gets fair offended.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. He's put a lot of energy

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Speaker 1: into that one. And who are we to call someone's

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Speaker 2: And they're real pirates.

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Speaker 3: They're not all like whitewashed like you know, Disney pirates

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Speaker 3: it is not culturally acceptable.

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Speaker 1: So so, Noel, when you and I were talking about this,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of when you hear the word pirate,

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Speaker 1: like historical pirates, not modern day Somali pirates.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think of what we were sort

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Speaker 2: think of peg legs and parrots and you know, rum

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Speaker 2: and body rhymes and and sword fights, walk the plank,

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Speaker 2: CAP's hook, all that kind of stuff. But also I

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Speaker 2: a crew, and I guess modern day pirates like that

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Speaker 2: will perhaps hijack ships, cargo ships. I mean, it really

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Speaker 2: was a lot of that, you know, uh, basically heists

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, one hundred percent nailed it. These comedic takes

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Speaker 1: on pirates in fiction, these romanticized takes, they can be

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun, but parts of those tropes don't

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Speaker 1: line up with real world pirates. Today, we're asking whether pirates,

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Speaker 1: these tremendously anti authoritarian criminals, whether they actually made a

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Speaker 1: government of their own. You see this reference in video games.

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Speaker 1: You see this referenced in fiction and novels and films.

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Speaker 1: To answer this question, we have to look at something

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Speaker 1: called the Golden Age of piracy. Depends on who you ask,

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Speaker 1: this is from, like the mid sixteen hundred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Golden doo. It's funny you say that.

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Speaker 1: Because, like so many historical ages, the name Golden Age

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Speaker 1: of piracy doesn't become a thing until well after the

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Speaker 1: actual age has passed.

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Speaker 2: Now and most importantly, Ben, it's a combination Long John

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Speaker 2: Silver's at Taco Bell, which does exist. There's a whole

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Speaker 2: Reddit thread devoted to this wondrous thing that exists apparently

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Speaker 2: upon the face of God's green Earth. I'll try their

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Speaker 2: case ideas. I don't know. I don't know, Long John Silvers.

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Speaker 2: What you do is you go to the Long John Silvers,

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Speaker 2: get you some fish fingers, then go over to Taco

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Speaker 2: Bell or do you a case of dia, and then

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Speaker 2: just kind of combine them, you know, by hand.

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Speaker 1: Right, So this time, this goldeny, Yeah, this halcion era

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Speaker 1: we're only watching Disney movies about it. Not All of

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Speaker 1: the people we call pirates originally wanted to be criminals,

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Speaker 1: times people didn't want to be pirates. The ship mutinied

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Speaker 1: because the navies at the time really sucked, or they

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Speaker 1: ended up getting kidnapped themselves and joining up because they

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Speaker 2: Guys, is the providence of the pirate accents? Is this

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Speaker 2: sort of like it seems vaguely Irish or something or

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Speaker 2: morph due to isolation? Is that sort of the idea

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Speaker 2: that's implied with these bizarro pirate drawls.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of a lot of times it does

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Speaker 1: sound like it might be some kind of Irish. It's

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Speaker 1: it's really it's a caricature of a dialect called West

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Speaker 1: Country English, Okay, And so it comes The reason we

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Speaker 1: have this come about is because of those works of fiction.

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Speaker 1: Treasure Island comes out in nineteen thirty four, and then

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Speaker 1: Captain Blood starring Errol Flynn, it's strange because we see

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like how Santa Claus as we know

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Speaker 1: it was made by the Coca Cola company. The pirate

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Speaker 1: accent is a work of entertainment.

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Speaker 2: And you bring up a really great point in this outline,

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Speaker 2: ban it's important to establish and we're talking about this

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Speaker 2: golden age of piracy, sometimes we're talking about the wrong thing.

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Speaker 2: Pirates not the same as a privateer. Oh yeah, let's

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Speaker 2: establish some terms upfront, because what allowed this profession to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really sketchy. It's kind of like I trying

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Speaker 1: to think of a modern analogy, dude. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like bounty hunters, which are technically, you know, they're on

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Speaker 1: the right side of the law. They bend the law

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Speaker 1: pretty often. Not all pirates are created equal, Like you said, Nol,

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Speaker 1: there were several distinct names for groups that sailed the

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Speaker 1: High Seas, and we don't have to get into all

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Speaker 1: the differences and details and nuts and bolts of buccaneer

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Speaker 1: versus pirate and so on, or corsair, et cetera. But

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Speaker 1: we do need to know the difference between privateer and pirate.

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Speaker 1: Pirate is the most general term for outlaws on the

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Speaker 1: high seas, oh in order maritime crimes. It comes from

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Speaker 1: a Greek word, the purates, which means brigand, and it

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Speaker 1: was since like the thirteen hundreds, pirate has been a

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Speaker 1: and usually the folks you're thinking of when we think

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Speaker 1: of pirates, they're bandits on the water. They're violent, they

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Speaker 1: intimidate people, they raid ships at sea, or you know,

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Speaker 2: Isn't that funny too? How the word then became associated

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Speaker 2: with like bootlegging stuff, you know, like pirting music or whatever,

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Speaker 2: wonder when that started to kind of come into being,

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Speaker 2: and if it was just sort of like an accident

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Speaker 2: got popular, or if there is some etymological crossover there.

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Speaker 1: I bet there's also a pr spin because remember the

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Speaker 1: three of us are the generation where you would go

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Speaker 1: to the movies once upon a time and you'd see

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Speaker 1: those PSAs that were like, you wouldn't download a car,

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Speaker 1: would you stop piracy? I think it helped the powers

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Speaker 1: that be to compare people downloading stuff illegally to pirates

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Speaker 1: rating ships.

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Speaker 2: But it does look as well like the term piracy

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Speaker 2: began to be used in its more current form due

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Speaker 2: to some court cases, some old court cases that began,

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Speaker 2: like in the in the eighteenth century, piracy was being

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Speaker 2: used to describe the act of infringing on one's copyright. Nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the idea being theft. And we'll get to.

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Speaker 1: Why that rings true a little later in our show today.

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Speaker 1: All Right, privateers make the sexcellent point. Privateers are pirates

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Speaker 1: with a co side, I would call them. They get

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Speaker 1: these letters of mark kind of like it's similar to

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Speaker 1: the patent letters or letters of patent we talked about

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Speaker 1: snake oil. Right, So, a country's authorities in the midst

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Speaker 1: of the big colonial powers all try to take possession

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Speaker 1: of the land across the Atlantic. These big colonial powers

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Speaker 1: will issue commissions to privately owned vessels, and they'll say, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you see a ship from another country or someone

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Speaker 1: who doesn't work for us trying to move goods, blood

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Speaker 1: and treasure, then go get them, sick them and you've

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Speaker 1: got our approval to do that. They were private armies,

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Speaker 1: they were mercenary armies. Often whenever there was a war,

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Speaker 1: a lot of letters of mark went out and a

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Speaker 1: lot of privateers went to seek their fortune. But just

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Speaker 1: So privateers were crimes, right, Let's do crimes. So privateers

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Speaker 1: And what we're saying it was a chaotic time. The

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Speaker 1: They're making them breaking alliances. They're all trying to grab

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. And Ben, I think it's something that we've

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Yeah, and that happens throughout history. And Okay,

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Speaker 2: Then we also have you know, in an era that

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Speaker 1: And during each of these three periods, piracy in the

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Speaker 1: You need a clear network of shipping and commerce, right,

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Speaker 2: During this time. It really was, to your point, a

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Speaker 1: Ben frankly bad attitudes and no all agreed. Colonial empires

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Speaker 1: there are compelling reasons for you to be a pirate.

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Speaker 1: You got no laws you have to follow from a king,

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Speaker 1: in age well people would say sometimes is shanghied. Just

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Speaker 2: Oh? What was that called a boy cooping? Coopy? The

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Speaker 1: Uh, these unscrupulous recruiters would get people drunk and then

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Speaker 2: pirates of lore. Like your long John Silvery. I know

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Speaker 1: The most sought after loot, as we said, was precious gems,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, the golden age of piracy does

433
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Speaker 2: likely refer to the gold that was a flowing as well,

434
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Speaker 2: you know, because that stuff was really easy to move,

435
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Speaker 2: It could really easily be bought and sold. But also

436
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: let's not forget like that mogul shipping vessel that things

437
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Speaker 2: like spices, things like silk, things that were rare and

438
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 2: that you couldn't get everywhere. And there became why do

439
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Speaker 2: you think they call it the silk road Man, the

440
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: pirate bay. You know, like all of this stuff was

441
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: this underground black market that sprang up, you know, around

442
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: the types of stuff that these pirates were hauling in.

443
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, most of the time, again, they

444
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: weren't finding these holy grails of plunder. They were hitting

445
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: up ships for things like tobacco, sugar, rum, brandy wine,

446
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: you know, barrels of fur and lumber, and even flour.

447
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: They would steal flower because this operation could also supply

448
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: the ship with much needed resources. Sometimes they would knock

449
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: over a ship that had very wealthy VIP pastors. They

450
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: would take all of those VIPs personal valuables, and they

451
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: would even you know, take the clothes off their backs

452
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: and say, I could sell this. I can make a

453
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: ton of money on this. They would steal food because

454
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: they needed to eat. They're also working vessel at sea.

455
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: They would take whatever's in the ship's medicine chest. I

456
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: read one really interesting story where there's like a fishing

457
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: boat that gets knocked over by a much larger pirate

458
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: ship and all they take, dude, are the hats of

459
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: the fishermen. The fishermen had other stuff, they have fish,

460
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, they're just a little boat of middle class fishermen.

461
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: But the pirates had got super drunk the night before

462
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: and they rolled up on this boat and they said,

463
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: we are going to take your hats because we partied

464
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: too hard and we all threw our hats in the

465
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: water last night. So they would steal all kinds of

466
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: stuff you know, the stories of treasure get exaggerated a

467
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: little bit. They also took rope, tackle, you know, nails, sails, anchors,

468
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: all the stuff you need to run a pirate ship.

469
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: But here's the question. What do you do if you've

470
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: got a bunch of hot items and you can't go

471
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Speaker 1: to port and sell them because you're a wanted band, where.

472
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Speaker 2: Do you go? Well, you mentioned those those pirate hubs, right,

473
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: or those pirate havens. You know, you essentially needed what

474
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Speaker 2: you might call today a fence. You know, he needed

475
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: a place that would take your ill gotten booty and

476
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: essentially I mean hold on to it, you know, well

477
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: while things kind of cooled down, right and potentially then

478
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: move it for you. You know. But you also were

479
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: if you weren't in one of these sort of safe spaces,

480
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 2: you might likely have a price on your head or

481
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: be you know, unwanted posters and such. So you needed

482
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: these places that you referred to earlier ben as pirate havens.

483
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Speaker 2: One such, very famous one of these was a city

484
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Speaker 2: called New Providence. Oh yeah, there goes the neighborhood, right.

485
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Speaker 1: This is located in the modern day Bahamas, and Spain

486
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Speaker 1: had claimed the island of due Providence after Crystabul Cologne

487
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Speaker 1: legendary pill quote quote discovered the New World. Eventually the

488
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: land changed hands and England lay claim to it. If

489
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Speaker 1: we go back to the late sixteen hundreds, there's a

490
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Speaker 1: guy named Henry Avery. Henry Avery is a privateer who

491
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: made a boatload get it by plundering gold and silver

492
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Speaker 1: and elephant tusk and gunpowder from these trade ships heading

493
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: from India to a local harbor. And he was able

494
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Speaker 1: to bribe the governor of New Providence of the English

495
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: Bahamas at the time, a guy named Nicholas Trott, who

496
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: is super important by the way in Carolina's history. He said, look,

497
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Speaker 1: let me give you not just some gold, not just

498
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: some silver, but this entire ship of elephant tusk and gunpowder.

499
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Speaker 1: And all you have to do, my bro is let

500
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Speaker 1: us operate safely here. Don't jam us up, Nick, just

501
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: don't jam us up.

502
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Speaker 3: No.

503
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Speaker 2: So in the sixteen ninety six, Avery successfully bribed the

504
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: governor Nicholas trot into establishing NASA in the Bahamas as

505
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: a haven where the pirates could do their business freely,

506
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: you know, like like Amsterdam in the wire, you know,

507
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: like a drug free zone. But this is like a

508
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: crime free zone. The governors would essentially, you know, go

509
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: through the motions doing their due diligence and an act

510
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, being stewards of the law, and perhaps make

511
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: them you know, let's call them ceremonial attempts to stop

512
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: or to shut down piracy. But it's really no different

513
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: than you know, crime syndicates paying off the police, you know,

514
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: or anything like that. It really is just as simple

515
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: as that. If there's money to be made and people

516
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: are lacking in scruples, then these kinds of situations will

517
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: thrive on, you know.

518
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Speaker 1: And overtime as a result, That's what I mean when

519
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: I say there goes the neighborhood, the place goes into decline.

520
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: The governors are increasingly authorities on paper only, the pirates

521
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: are becoming more and more powerful, and the founeralal statistic

522
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: about this. What you need to know is there's a

523
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: bunch of civilian settlers and soldiers. They have a fort,

524
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: French and Spanish ships team up and they attack Nassau

525
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: first in seventeen oh three, and then a few years

526
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: later they come back and do the same thing in

527
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: seventeen oh six. So a bunch of settlers and soldiers

528
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: leave at this point, they cut their losses. There's a

529
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: heavily damaged fort left, and there are no soldiers there.

530
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: There's no one to enforce the laws that existed even

531
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 1: as this place was on decline. If you look at

532
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: the statistics, by seventeen thirteen, there were over one thousand

533
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: pirates in this community and they far outnumbered the four

534
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: hundred to five hundred people who are just regular folks.

535
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what you might call a high of

536
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: scummon villainy. It's starting to fester over here, right.

537
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the main city becomes home to folks like

538
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: black Beard. We mentioned earlier pirates like Jack Rackham, Benjamin Hornigold,

539
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: which is just hilarious, and Sam mak Roco was pretty cool,

540
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: too fun to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, these guys have

541
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: good names and they these guys all used this island

542
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: as a base. At some point there were six hundred

543
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: pirates not just living there, but sailing from Nassau who

544
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: raided shipping and shipping routes and ports from the Caribbean

545
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: all the way up to Maine. A couple of them

546
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: even started calling themselves the governors of New Providence. We've

547
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: got a great quote from a guy named Thomas Barrow.

548
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: He is quoted as saying that he is the governor

549
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: of Providence, we'll make it a second Madagascar, and expects

550
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: five or six hundred more men from Jamaican sloops to

551
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: join in the settling of Providence and to make war

552
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: on the French and the Spaniards. But for the English,

553
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: they don't intend to meddle with them unless they are

554
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: first attacked by them.

555
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: Okay, And this, you know, kind of worked out for

556
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: a time. They they came up with all name. I

557
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: wonder if this is where the Jolly Roger came from.

558
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: Probably now that probably wasn't something that was more a

559
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 2: flag you'd fly at sea. But they did come up

560
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: with a sort of you know name for their new institution,

561
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: the Republic of Pirates, because those two things go hand

562
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: in hand, you know, law and order and governance and piracy.

563
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: It did avoid attacking British vessels though, right, don't poke.

564
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: The bear word did get out about New Providence becoming

565
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: the safe haven for pirates looking to have a good

566
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: yoho ho and you know, kick back with some RUMs

567
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And it was also a place

568
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: that would essentially serve as a recruiting ground, right.

569
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this place launched some careers in the world

570
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: of piracy. It was mostly run by a group of

571
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: real hard cases who were collectively called the Flying Gang.

572
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: The Flying Gang is a team up that comes from

573
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: a heist. In seventeen fifteen, the Spanish treasure fleet sank

574
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: during a hurricane off the coast of La Florida, and

575
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: when a pirate named Henry Jennings learned that the ships

576
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: had sank, he devised a plan along with people like

577
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: Benjamin Hornegold who he mentioned, Samuel Bellamy who he mentioned,

578
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: and a guy named Charles Vain, and he said, look,

579
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: the Spanish are going to try to salvage this. They're

580
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: going to try to pull the gold out from these

581
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: sunken ships. We're going to be there and we're going

582
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: to steal the treasure from the salvagers. They eventually call

583
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: themselves the Flying Gang. And I'm trying very hard not

584
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: to write parody lyrics for the Flying Gang to the

585
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: tune of the Crying Game. But that's how you know,

586
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: that's how colonial powers were. They don't want no more

587
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: of the Flying Gang. And to your point about people

588
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: starting a career, Edward Teach aka Blackbeard. He gets start here,

589
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: so does Jack Rackham, whose pirate namer street name was

590
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: Catlico Jack, and a lot of other people, including some

591
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: female pirates like Mary Reid and a body.

592
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and in case you guys are wondering, I'm over

593
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: here on Assassin's Creed Wikipedia searching all these names because

594
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: all these people are in Assassin's Creed for black Flags.

595
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: So it's kind of good been in nostalgia for me

596
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: right now.

597
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: That's awesome, man.

598
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I you know, I wasn't the biggest fan

599
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: of the maritime aspects of Assassin's Creed, but what a

600
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: great universe they've built, and I enjoy I enjoy a

601
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: couple of the games having that museum mode where you

602
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: can just walk around and look at buildings. Oh yeah,

603
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: I think that's the one set in Italy. Anyway, here's

604
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: the idea. These guys they do their heist. The pirates

605
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: take their wealth and Horne Gold and is pal Thomas

606
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: Barrow establish a new community on this island, on New Providence,

607
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: and they set out to create a legitimate pirate republic.

608
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: And like you said, nol, honestly, a lot of these

609
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: guys could be subjects to their own episodes. You know,

610
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: what you need to know here is somewhere in a

611
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: mostly neglected part of the Caribbean that didn't have a

612
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: huge population at the time, some of the area's most

613
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: dangerous people put aside their typical rivalries for a common cause.

614
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: It's an avengers of maritime crime, you know, heist on

615
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: the high seas and they start attacking everyone except the

616
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: British at first.

617
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: Right, So by seventeen thirteen, the war of that war

618
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: a Spanish succession. I mean, that's hard to say Spanish successions.

619
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Speaker 2: That's what the war was about. I know, it's just

620
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: literally about too many h sounds. It was over, it

621
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: had wrapped up. Thankfully, they figured it out, they figured

622
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: out how to pronounce it. But many of these British

623
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: privateers didn't get the memma we'd take for granted, like

624
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: how many movies are spoiled by the existence of smartphones?

625
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: You known, problem, there's that thing, but even just like

626
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: in general, like in the thriller of some kind, like

627
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: how easy would it be for someone just to have

628
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: googled a thing or to have the correct directions that

629
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: didn't get lost or you know, for someone to be

630
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: able to warn them. You know, in these days it

631
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: was even worse. You know, they would take months sometimes

632
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: for word to reach individuals who were out in remote areas,

633
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: especially during wartime. So a lot of these privateers, they

634
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: did not get the news that the war was over.

635
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: This is the kind of thing you hear about all

636
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: the time, you know, in historical situations where perhaps an

637
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: action is taken, often a tragic action, due to not

638
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: realizing the circumstances had completely changed.

639
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Man, I'm glad you bring that up,

640
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: because it reminds me of that Japanese soldier who didn't

641
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: know World War two had ended for decades and decades. Also,

642
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: people who were enslaved in the US who didn't learn

643
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: about emancipation for quite some time. The travel of information,

644
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: the frictionless travel of information, is probably one of the

645
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: biggest wins of recent humanity or the thing that is

646
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: going to spell the end of civilization maybe both maybe maybe.

647
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: And so these you know a lot of these these

648
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: these uh, these privateers either didn't get the news or

649
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't accept it, didn't didn't think that it was true.

650
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: So they, you know, slipped further and further into piracy,

651
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: which actually led to a lot of you know, new

652
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: blood kind of being pumped into New Providence right to

653
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: join that pirate republic and and causes an absolute boom

654
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: uh in in the numbers of pirates that were hanging

655
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, exactly.

656
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: And now New Providence is becoming a boom town and

657
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: it's not as unified as it was. Uh this this

658
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: place was only around, by the way, for a very

659
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: short amount of time, all over a decade. And over time,

660
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: these pirates of New Providence, they stop giving British ships

661
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: a hall pass. A lot of these guys who are

662
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: former privateers, like working for England, start attacking any ship

663
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: they want, British or not. At their height, they're giving

664
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: themselves titles like Commodore. They're commanding fleets of ships, and

665
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: they can go toe to toe with the Royal Navy.

666
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes they can even outgun it, which is a huge

667
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: deal because the Royal Navy is the big dog on

668
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: campus at this point.

669
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: That's right, And this starts to make me think of

670
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: again perhaps some thinking more along the lines of some fiction.

671
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: But this is when you know, you start to see

672
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: like things like in Game of Thrones, the Golden Compass

673
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 2: or whatever like these, like armies for hire or even

674
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: we have now today with the Wagner group, you know

675
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 2: over there in the Ukraine or in Russia. The idea

676
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: that an independent group could become so large as to

677
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: rival a an official military. And even though you know

678
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: right now they're at odds, there could come a time

679
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: where for enough money, maybe you can hire some of

680
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: these pirate crews to do your bidding. You know who knows.

681
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at this point, you know, King George is

682
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: starting to get a little beefed up because it was

683
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: easy to ignore the crimes of these pirates as long

684
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: as they weren't attacking the British themselves. But the British

685
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: government was starting to get really concerned. They say, piracy

686
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: is so out of control that we're not getting British

687
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: settlers into these colonies, and if the land is unpopulated,

688
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: our foreign rivals may take it over. This is not

689
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: a sustainable situation. So George makes the decision. He contacts

690
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: a former privateer and makes some governor Woods Rogers, and

691
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: he says, Rogers, I want you to go over to

692
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: New Providence, go over to this high of a scumonbility

693
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: and tell them that I will give them a pardon.

694
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: I will give them an act of grace, a king's pardon.

695
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: This one is called a Proclamation for Suppressing of Pirates.

696
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: Right September fifth, seventeen seventeen, pirates would receive amnesty, be

697
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: forgiven of their trespasses that includes murder, just so long

698
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: as they surrendered by the next January fifth of seventeen eighteen.

699
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: So it's like a lot of blind eye kind of mentality,

700
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: isn't it. It's like, we're gonna unless you continue to

701
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: operate outside the law, but we need you to agree

702
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: that we're putting a clock on this because this isn't

703
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: gonna work forever for everyone, right.

704
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is look, you will totally free pass you guys.

705
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: We've had fun, we've made some friends, we've plundered some ships,

706
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: we've had some laughs. But as long as you surrender

707
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: by this date by January fifth, seventeen eighteen, later they

708
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: kicked the can down the road, then it's all good.

709
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: And Woods was the right guy for this job because

710
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: he was a former privateer and slave trader. He spoke

711
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: the cultural language of the pirates, and he did convince

712
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: a lot of them to take a square life. A

713
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: lot of pirates accepted a pardon, but some refused to

714
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: give up the game, notably folks like Jack Rackham and

715
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: Edward Teach. The problem was these guys, to your point,

716
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: they were living on borrow time. Either the Royal Navy

717
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: or local authorities would get them soon enough. The party

718
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: couldn't go on forever. And we'll tell you what happened there,

719
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: But before we do, let's get to the heart of

720
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: the question for today's episode. Was New Providence really a

721
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: pirate government?

722
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: Kind of? Yeah, kind of.

723
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean they had people with specific jobs, like they

724
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: were organized crime, right, So the mafia has a hierarchy,

725
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: they got specif duties.

726
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: They've got a code.

727
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: What's the mafia code. It's not Omeerta, that's code of silence, right.

728
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a I don't know. I just know Cosinostra.

729
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I always thought Omeerica kind of was

730
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: the mafia code, but maybe there's another one. Awesome.

731
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they had like they had these rules and

732
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: just like the mafia, the pirates said, we need a

733
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: code of behavior that will reduce internal conflict and maximize

734
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: profits at the same time, you can find great examples

735
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: of real pirate code. We got one from a guy

736
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: named bartholomewle black bart Roberts in seventeen twenty two. He

737
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: and his crew made a set of laws that are

738
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: pretty they're pretty interesting. Just put a few of these

739
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: on here. They're not all of them, but one of

740
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: the ones that might surprise a lot of people is voting.

741
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: Everybody got to vote on the ship except hostages.

742
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: And jump back in one more time with Assassin's Cree.

743
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: Bartholomew black Bart Roberts is actually the secret villain of

744
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: Assassin's Creed four spoilers.

745
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: He is, oh a.

746
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: Spoiler for a game that came out of one a

747
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: PS three.

748
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: Next, you're gonna tell me what happened at at Ford Theater?

749
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah no, but.

750
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's uh, he is I forget what his role is.

751
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 2: He's the sage.

752
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I saw that name and I had to

753
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: jump in here.

754
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm going away now. No, let's give it. Let's do

755
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 2: a max with the facts that seeking in the phone

756
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: and he's fallen knowledge. It's just for you right now

757
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: here with the fact.

758
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, there we go. People could vote. You

759
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: had actually more of a shage an individual on a

760
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: pirate ship than you did in a Royal navy.

761
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: Pretty interesting, right, I mean, yeah, there was a certain

762
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: amount of equity right in this arrangement where everyone was

763
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: someone on an equal playing field. It's very interesting. I mean,

764
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure in practice, maybe I don't know, I've actually heard,

765
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: you know, I think that's a mus in history class.

766
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: May have done an episode on this back in the

767
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: day when I was the producer of that show. And

768
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: I do feel like they really took this stuff very seriously.

769
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: The idea of equality. You know, it wasn't just on paper.

770
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't like it wasn't a do as I say,

771
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: not as I do. You know, everyone lived by this code.

772
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, man, and they were surprisingly progressive in

773
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: some ways. They also said in a lot of pirate code.

774
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: They said, don't steal from coworkers, you know what I mean,

775
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: don't hoard stuff from the crew, don't rob. If you

776
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: rob a fellow pirate, you're gonna have your nose and

777
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: your ears split, and then we'll throw you ashore on

778
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: like the worst island we can find. They said, no gambling.

779
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, this is oddly wholesome until you think about it.

780
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: They had a curfew. They said every night you got

781
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: at eight pm, you got to put out all the

782
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: lights and candles. They said, if any of the crew

783
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: want to sit around and drink, they have to do

784
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: it on the open deck without lights. And it's not

785
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: because they were worried about their bedtime. It's because lights

786
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: would help you identify a ship at sea.

787
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the other you know, there's

788
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: another term like that cut of your jib, Right, that

789
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: was one the idea of I like the cut of

790
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: your jib refers to the cut of the sail on

791
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: a certain ship, so that you could be identified at sea.

792
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: That's how you knew you that was a friend, you know,

793
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 2: or a friendly Right. I always assumed the jib meant

794
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 2: like jaw or something like that, But no, not the case.

795
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: And this is the case too. The idea of those

796
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: lights being a really important identifier. Next we have this

797
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 2: is a very piratey one. I would argue, stay ready

798
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: to fight. It runs me that Russell crow bit on

799
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: South Park where he's fighting around the world, you know,

800
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: like singing songs and so and so and fought and

801
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: round the world. That's fairy. Yeah, always be ready for

802
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: a fight. Each man shall keep his piece, cutlass, and

803
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: pistols at all times, clean and ready for action.

804
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: We don't know what it's gonna pop off, you know

805
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. Stay frosty, stay sharp, five by five.

806
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: They also have workers comp They had an early version

807
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: of workers compensation. If you were crippled, or you lost

808
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: a limb, or you had another very serious injury in

809
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: your service with your pirate crew, you would get eight

810
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: hundred pieces of eight and if you were less, if

811
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: you were hurt less, egregiously, you would get a corresponding

812
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: amount of money. That's pretty cool. There are many places

813
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: and industries that don't bother doing that today, so that

814
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: might surprise some people, some of us with stereotypes about pirates.

815
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: We're not saying they're good people.

816
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: We know that.

817
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: Pirate code also said, hey, the captain isn't necessarily a dictator.

818
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: We on the ship can all take vote, and if

819
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: we don't like the captain or a leader, we can

820
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: vote them out. And again a lot of these guys

821
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: are coming from the tyranny of working for merchant ships

822
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: or the Royal Navy. This is super duper freedom for them.

823
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: So from seventeen oh six to about seventeen eighteen, these scalleywags,

824
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: I would argue, they really did form, if not a government,

825
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: a political entity because they adapted pirate code of the

826
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: sea to become sort of the by laws of their

827
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: haven in New Providence. And they were also they were

828
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: oddly progressive in terms of race relations for the time.

829
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's another thing that always kind of had me

830
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: a little bit flummoxed, you know, in addition to the

831
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: whole workers comp thing. I mean, they really were like

832
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: some of the early kind of labor rights activists. It's

833
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: very very interesting. Another very interesting feature of the Republic

834
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: of Pirates, to your point, that was the fact that

835
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: Africans were considered equal members of the crew. And it's

836
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: so interesting because we talked about how those privateers or

837
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: originally right that was a big early form of slave trade.

838
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: It would seem that what evolved and became maybe the

839
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: less lawful version of those pirateers that were operating outside

840
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: of the rule of law were in fact much more

841
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: humane than those operating under the rule of life.

842
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, imagine you're attacking a ship as a

843
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: pirate crew, and you come to find that it is

844
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: not It is not just loaded with you know, like

845
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: cinnamon and pantaloons and rum, but they're also enslaved people

846
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: on there. You can be kind of a hero if

847
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: you're one of the folks who say, look, all the captain,

848
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, all you other guys, we're gonna rob you,

849
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: blind you, you who were enslaved. You can be free,

850
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: you can join us. That's a hard thing to say

851
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: no to. And we know that several people of American,

852
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: Indian or of African background became pirate captains in their

853
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: own right. One of the most famous is a guy

854
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: called Black Caesar. And look, okay, so weirdly progressive pirates

855
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: were surprisingly weirdly progressive. Back to our boy, Governor Woods

856
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: Rogers arrives in Nassau. He's got the king's pardon. He's

857
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: pitching to people. One dude accepts, and he doesn't just accept.

858
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: Benjamin Hornigold says, okay, I'll stop being a pirate, and

859
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: Rogers says, well, you're a special case, my friend. He says, hey, ben,

860
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: if you want a new job, why don't you become

861
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: a trader and help me hunt down all your buddies,

862
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: and so Horni Gold like that goes from being a

863
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: pirate to a pirate hunter and he's chasing down all

864
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: of his former colleagues, anyone who doesn't take the King's pardon.

865
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: Man put his money? Where is not this? Yeah? This

866
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: is uh what do you call it?

867
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 3: In case y'all were wondering, Horni Gold is very much

868
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: a villain in Assassin's Creed Black Flow.

869
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: Oh good, I was gonna ask.

870
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: He starts off the game. Actually he's like one of

871
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 3: your mentors. But no, it changes and you actually have

872
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: to hunt him down at some point.

873
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: He's a pill. He's a pill in real life too.

874
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: But he didn't get everybody. He got around ten other

875
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: salty dogs. On the morning of December the twelfth of

876
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen. Nine of those fellas were Yeah, they were executed.

877
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: They were killed yeap for piracy. And you wonder if

878
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: they got captured. I couldn't find the answer to this.

879
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: Maybe someone can help us. If those pirates got captured

880
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: and they recanted their crimes, could they take the king's

881
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: pardon right before they were executed?

882
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

883
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like you said, no, our buddy

884
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: Benjamin Hornegold doesn't get everybody. The pirate hunters don't get

885
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 1: everyone in New Providence. A lot of folks get away,

886
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: Charles Vaine, Blackbeard. They go on to pursue their villainous

887
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: careers elsewhere in the Caribbean. And just like that, after

888
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: eleven very strange years, the Republic of the Pirates is gone,

889
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: and overall, as conditions change, the fortunes of the pirates

890
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: in general decline in the mid seventeen twenties, and they

891
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: never became as powerful as they were for that brief

892
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: time in the seventeen tens. And along the way, you know,

893
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys can't live that demanding life

894
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: as they age. But if they were smart, buccaneers and

895
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: pirates and smugglers and privateers all had invested their gains.

896
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: And so now these guys, a lot of them were

897
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: no longer criminals. They owned plantations, they owned legit businesses,

898
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: and there seemed to be a rule of imperfect law

899
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: spreading throughout the Caribbean. And that's kind of that's kind

900
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: of the story, but it is.

901
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 2: It's so interesting. It's like we started with all of

902
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: this pillage and violence, and I'm gonna come back to

903
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: this thing that I think we were both taken by.

904
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: The legal version of piracy is almost like is much

905
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: more of a free for all than this version, at

906
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: least of the illegal version, right, I don't know. It's fascinating,

907
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: and there's a lot.

908
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: Of there's a lot of stuff we found for tangents

909
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: and trivia that we might save for a future episode.

910
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: I think we'll call the Day now.

911
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: Oh, one fact, we can say the eye patch wasn't

912
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: always to cover up a damaged eye, because there were

913
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: no electric lights and it could be dangerous to have

914
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: a lot of lights inside a wooden ship. Often the

915
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: eye patch was used to keep one eye in the dark,

916
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: so that when you suddenly ran below deck, you could

917
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: take the patch off and your eye would already be

918
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: used to low light.

919
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: Way. Yeah, that's alway. That's literally just taught me something

920
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: brand new. I assumed it was maybe for like sharpshooting,

921
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, maybe, But I love this idea that

922
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: it was to help, you know, have your eye quickly

923
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 2: already adjusted to the dark. That's very interesting.

924
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: Or else they were all just very bad at not

925
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: hitting things with it.

926
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: Who knows, Yeah, who knows.

927
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: We can't wait to uh, we can't wait to explore

928
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: more strange, ridiculous things with you folks. We want to

929
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: give a big, big thanks to our super producer and

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00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: assassins create consultant, mister Max Williams and Noel. I gotta

931
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I gotta ask you too. If

932
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: you had been press ganged into the Royal Navy and

933
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 1: a pirate ship came by and robbed your ship and said, hey,

934
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: do you want.

935
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 2: To join with us? What would you do? Pee pee

936
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: a little probably, and then just say whatever you say, sirs,

937
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: I'll be your stooge, I'll be your I'll be your schmi,

938
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 2: play nice until you can get the shore. Right. Yeah,

939
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: I'd probably be a bit of a smi figure. I

940
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: remember Schmi.

941
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: That was from Pirates of the Caribbean, right, believe Peter Pan,

942
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: Peter Pan.

943
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

944
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: Another another we could maybe do an episode on Peter

945
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: Pan because that is a messed up origin story as well.

946
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: Sorry for another day though. Yeah. I think it's called

947
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: what Finding Neverland? I think that's the book about it.

948
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: It's very very sad, but yeah, man, thank you for this.

949
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 2: This pirate's romp Ben who, by the way, has also

950
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Speaker 2: served as the research executive on this particular episode. So

951
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: much cool stuff in the world of piracy and I

952
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: literally learned like six new things today.

953
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: So thank you and big big thanks to Jonathan Strickland.

954
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: Oh wait he only gets one. Keep that part in

955
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Speaker 1: next uh, big big, big big thanks of course. Chris

956
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: Arrassio deceives jeffco Alex Williams who composed this slap and

957
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: bop and big thanks to you.

958
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: Noel looks like, I don't know.

959
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: I think maybe we stick with podcasting for now before

960
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: we stick a little pirate.

961
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: Tammy pirate radio. Let's try that. We'll see next time. Puts.

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00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

963
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,800
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