1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,399 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: This week's Thursday Therapy, We've got Sonya Satra. She is 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: an actress turn mindset guru. She's got a new book 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: out called what If It Were Easy? Using movement and 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: mindset to create success in life, love and business. Let's 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: get her on. 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: Hey. Hey, I'm Jana Dana. 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Well, happy New Year, Thanks for coming on wind Down. 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: You had a book that came out in October. It 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: was called what If It Were Easy? Using movement and 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: mindset to Create success in life, love and business. And 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: I first just want to go back because you're an actress. 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, how long did you do soaps? 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: For? Six seven years? 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 3: Six seven years? 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: And then was that world? Because I've acted in the 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: wild since I was like nineteen. But it's one of 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: those things where sometimes the mental aspect of that world 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: can really drive you nuts. I'm curious, did that? 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Is that what drove me out? Are you out? 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: Or are you just kind of this is always like 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: your passion too, It is kind of what kind of 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: went okay, this is the route that you know, but 25 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: it feels most authentic. 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: Or yes, definitely, And I think the acting being is 27 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: being in an industry where you're rejected so much. Definitely, 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: I got into mindset just to sort of sustain. 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: That one thousand percent. I think that's definitely the thing, 30 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: the mindset piece of it, because when I was talking 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: to my fiance earlier, I'm like, I don't know if 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, you never know if you're going to book 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: a movie this year or you're going to book a role. 34 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: It's like you just and then you're like, well, what 35 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: is my purpose? And then what am I doing? And 36 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: then and then how am I making money? And then 37 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: you just start to spiral, right, And that's where the 38 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: mind has to be more powerful than the chaos you're 39 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: creating around it. And so I'm curious, how how do 40 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: you do that to stay grounded? Because I think that's 41 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: my problems. I start to go with one problem and 42 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: then and by the end of that minute, I've got 43 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: thirty problems that are just blowing up around me. 44 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: I think that's when you have to really step backwards 45 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: and really step out and become much more objective and 46 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: look at it from a different perspective, because you're starting 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: to go out from you, we are going down the 48 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: rabbit hole at that point, and we're creating a whole 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: lot of scenarios that may or may not be real, 50 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: and each thought creates an anxious feeling or any other 51 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: number of probably negative feelings. And so I think it's 52 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: really more important to step back out and be like, 53 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: all right, what's the current perspective? Like, is what's real 54 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: and what's not? And what am I in control of? 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: And what am I not? And what can I be 56 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: in control of? What sure? Because I think when you 57 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: start to shift into and what do I really want 58 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: and sort of to revisit And that's actually a lot 59 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: of the process that ended up in the book, a 60 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 2: lot of that restart kind of thing of getting connected 61 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: to that vision and reconnecting to what it does the 62 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: you have. What is it that you can do sort 63 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: of burning those stuff that's stopping you and then taking action? 64 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: Right what action pieces are more helpful or most helpful 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: for you? 66 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 2: I think it depends a little bit on what it 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: is that is the problem, because I think sometimes you 68 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: need to just like get out of your own way. 69 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: Maybe you need some kind of self care. Maybe I 70 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: need to go for a run, or I need to 71 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: get a massage, or I need to just stop, And 72 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: other times I think it's more of productive action. You know, 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: who do I need to reach out to? Who do 74 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: I know who might be able to help me with 75 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: a specific thing that I'm after, Or maybe it's I 76 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: need to go delve back into some sort of a 77 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: class that can make me at least feel creative and 78 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm doing what it is that I 79 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: love or even what could I produce, you know, whether 80 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: it be a film or a movie I mean, or 81 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: some sort of I mean. Now you can do so 82 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: many more things because there's more accessible things for YouTube 83 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: and other mediums, or a play. I used to produce 84 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: plays or do plays whenever I was feeling like I 85 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: was going nowhere. 86 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: FAST's that's an interesting piece to the almost the play 87 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: element of it, because I recently went in I had 88 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: a big audition and I was like, you know what, 89 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: I want to do my best at this, obviously, and 90 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: I want to put my best foot forward. So I 91 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: went to an acting coach in town and I called 92 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: my fiance afterwards. He's like, how to go? And I 93 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, it went great? And he's like, well, 94 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: what was so different about it? I go because I 95 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: got to play, and normally we just were up here 96 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: and we just self tape from up here, and I 97 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: just I do what I normally do, and that's it, 98 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: send the tape in. And he was like, why don't 99 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: we do it this way and that way? And I'm like, 100 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is so much fun. I totally 101 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: forgot yeah, like I forgot to have fun with it 102 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: and I forgot to play. It's just usually all I 103 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: got to get those work done. I had to send 104 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: this tape in and I got to do this, and 105 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: then it's just was that my best work? Probably not, 106 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: but I had to get it done before the baby 107 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: woke up or before I know, the kids got home 108 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: from school. So I just there was a piece of 109 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: that where I was like, I want to bring that 110 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: into this new year, is to go, Okay, yes, get 111 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: my work done, but also have fun with it and 112 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: play with it, and then I'll enjoy it a little 113 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: bit more instead of going, oh, I have to put 114 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: a stupid audition on tape or whatever. 115 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: I think that is so true and I think that 116 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: the beginning of the self tape, well, that was a 117 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: huge transition for me because there is something to having 118 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: to be good on the fly, you know, but that 119 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: in person pressure was a better I think for me 120 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: anyway than it was the self tape for exactly what 121 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: you say, because it starts to feel like I got 122 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: to get this thing done. I just have to like 123 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: squeeze it in. I've got to get it out. I 124 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: got to fit it into my daily schedule. And I 125 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: think when it became more of a thing where you 126 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 2: were walking in and you were going to have a 127 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 2: conversation and you might actually get some feedback or direction, 128 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: which again makes it feel a little more like play, 129 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: I thought that was more pressure but more fun. 130 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 131 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: No, I agree with you also, like just on that 132 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: one piece too. I don't when it comes to the 133 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: acting side of things, I don't usually win because I'm 134 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: the best actress in the group. I win and because 135 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: i'm you know, I'm chatting with the producers and we're 136 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: laughing and I'd be fun to have on set and 137 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, so it's like I always want in the room. 138 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: I don't win in self tapes because it's like you 139 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: can't really get that across. You know who you are 140 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: and how you are. So I'm like, oh, but it 141 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: just in life in general, I'm like, man, we dropped 142 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: the fun piece in it. We've just now kind of 143 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 1: put our heads down. And that's where I'm I'm trying 144 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: to change my mindset having it be a new Year, 145 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: going okay, let's just have more fun with it, and 146 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: then I won't be like dragging my feet and with 147 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: it being the new year. Where do you think people 148 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: stop themselves from changing their mindset? 149 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think that I think a lot of it 150 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: is in the belief. You know, you come out of 151 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: the gate strong, I'm going to go for it, I'm 152 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: going to do it. I'm gonna, you know, take over 153 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: the world, and then a week later you'll hit a 154 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: hurdle and then all of a sudden you revert back 155 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: to old patterns and old thinking. So I love New 156 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: Year energy. Actually, I am one of those people who 157 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: still believe in New Year's resolutions, and I do love 158 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: that coming out of the gate feeling. But I think 159 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: it's really really important to remember it's not just New 160 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: Year's Day or New Year's Week. It's like it's a year. 161 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: So we're gonna have hurdles, we're gonna have challenges, we're 162 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: gonna fall, and we got to get back up and 163 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: and and find ways to kind of reset and bring 164 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: that sort of new energy in every time. 165 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: Right, What do you think sets you apart and your 166 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: book apart from all the other you know, people out 167 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: there doing the transformations and the mindsets and the and 168 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: the messages that you know that we all need to hear. 169 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: I think motor size, which is what I came up with. 170 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: So I wanted to bring that up, but I didn't 171 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: know how to pronounce it. So I'm glad you did 172 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm I'm a. 173 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: Let her talk. 174 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it actually is something that I did inadvertently 175 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: back when I was trying to, you know, get myself 176 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 4: up off the ground from some actings. 177 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: You know, really bad imposter syndrome. It was right after 178 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 2: I came after Guiding Light, I left the show on 179 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: my own will. I could have stayed, and many times 180 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: I was like why did I do that? But I left, 181 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: and I suddenly have just the worst imposter syndrome. It 182 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: was like, why did you? Why did you do that? 183 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: You know, how could you leave such a great job. 184 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: There were six thousand actors that auditioned for that. It 185 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: was so random. You got it to begin with, you know, 186 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: like you'll like you say, you know why you're not 187 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: the best actor, You're never going to work again, or 188 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: you know any of those things. It was so overwhelming 189 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: and I really fell into it pretty hard, to the 190 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: point where a year and a half later I hadn't worked. 191 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: I really embodied those beliefs. And I was turtle sitting 192 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 2: some friends and I was up on this book. 193 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry turtle sitting like that's you were actually turtle okay, 194 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, that must be a new 195 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,479 Speaker 1: phrase for like, you know, in your shell and not getting. 196 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: Out of that. 197 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: Oh no, it was really literal okay, literal copy that okay, yeah. 198 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: Just for some extra cash. And as I was sort 199 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: of overlooking this the ocean, I was just thinking, wow, 200 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: you know, I used the same mindset schools to create 201 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 2: success as I was now using to create failure. Because 202 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: I would vision. Initially I was visualizing being on TV 203 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: and making it, and now I was visualizing not making it. 204 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: And before I would use questions like what can I do? 205 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: Who can I reach out to? And now it was 206 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: why won't I ever get a job? Why won't anyone 207 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: hire me? And uh? And even just the self talk, 208 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: you know was I'm never going to work again, versus, hey, 209 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: somebody's made it, why not me? And so even though 210 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: I was taking action, the action was so tainted by 211 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: that mindset, and and so I didn't work and so, 212 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,119 Speaker 2: you know, my results were deaf a reflection of that mindset. 213 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: So in that moment I decided, I was like, I'm 214 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: better turn this around fast. And so I thought I 215 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: was gonna I was gonna run, I was gonna get 216 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: and get shape. I was gonna stop hanging out with 217 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 2: all my drinking buddies. You were also complaining about not 218 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: working again, and I was. I lived kind of close 219 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: to the Santa Monica Mountains, and so I would go 220 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: there and I would run up this trail and I 221 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: would do all the mindset. I would really visualize being 222 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: back on TV, you know, getting that job. I would, 223 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: you know, ask what kind of what could I do today? 224 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: What's one thing I could do to move forward today? 225 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: And I would do affirmations as I was going. And 226 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: I always joke because at the top of the mountain, 227 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: I realized that it was a canyon. And so whatever 228 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: I yelled out, would I go back? So I would 229 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: yell out, you got the job, and then i'd hear 230 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: it back you got the job, I'd celebrate, And three 231 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: weeks later I was running down that hill and I 232 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 2: got a call you the job. I actually boked a 233 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: national commercial, and three months later I got the call 234 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: for One Life to Live. So it was such a 235 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: sort of powerful affirmation of how much these mindset tools 236 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: can make a difference. And the movement, I think just 237 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: helped me get into my body in a different way. 238 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: So flash forward many years. I was also you know, 239 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: new mom, and I had my like twenty minute workout 240 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: kind of and I was just thinking, gosh, I'm not 241 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: doing that mindset work that I know is so effective. 242 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be great if I could be really efficient 243 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: and do it while I'm working out? And that was 244 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: really a day I was running on a treadmill and 245 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: I thought like, gosh, if I was just guided with questions, 246 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: that would be really helpful because then I could do 247 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: it at the same time. And well, that was the 248 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: day I was like, well, if I did it, you 249 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: know what if I created that? And that was the 250 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: beginning of motor size. So I started to try to 251 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: figure out, well, what are those questions, what is that process? 252 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: What would actually be helpful, how do I do this 253 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: and testing it and whatnot. And yeah, it kind of 254 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: came out of the gate as an aerobic program because 255 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: I also learned at that point that was when the 256 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: brain science was really busting open, and I started to 257 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 2: find out how powerful exercise really is for your brain 258 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: and the whole neurogenesis and the rewiring of your brain, 259 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: and how it changes your mood and how it makes 260 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: you more creative and more focused, and it actually taps 261 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: the motivation side of your brain. And so it has 262 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: so much power and it has such an impact on 263 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: your life that has nothing to do with just fitting 264 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: into whatever size gene. It's like it's it really is 265 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 2: a mindset thing. And so I was really just taking 266 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: what was already naturally happening with exercise and then adding 267 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: in very intentional questions towards a goal. So for me, 268 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: it was acting at the time. Well, actually then I 269 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: had shifted because I was starting to coach. But you 270 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: could use it for any goal. And I've had people 271 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: starting businesses, I've had them sell for a lot of money. 272 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: I've had people I had a client lose three hundred pounds. 273 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: I had somebody find a new relationship because they finally 274 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: had the courage to kind of put themselves out there. 275 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: And it's just amazing the ideas. I always ask people, 276 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: do you ever go for a walk and think of 277 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: an idea? And most people say, yeah, I do. Or 278 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: you know, when you get up from your desk and 279 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: go take a shower, that's when you're like, oh, now 280 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: I got it. And it's that movement. It's not a mistake, 281 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: it's actually what's happening chemically in your mind and the 282 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: near body. 283 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: So motor size is basically motivation exercise. 284 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: That's what it stood for. That was what it was, 285 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: motivational exercise. People then started to be like, oh, are 286 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: you going to motivate me to exercise? And I'm like maybe. 287 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: The one sort of unexpected thing was that people who 288 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: don't liked exercise liked it because they weren't thinking about 289 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: the exercise. They were thinking about something else that they 290 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: really wanted, and so it shifted their focus and their energy. 291 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: That wasn't a goal, but hey, it was a great I. 292 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: Love that so much, you know, because I think it's 293 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: I love going for walks around my neighborhood or running 294 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: or I used not clear yet to run post baby, 295 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: but when I do, like, that's that's such a good 296 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: thing to then now bring into the workouts, is you know, 297 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: either saying things out loud like I'm going to get 298 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: this or I you know, I'm or I'll be okay, 299 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: or I'll be fine, or everything's gonna come in abundance 300 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: and all the things, and just saying that out loud. 301 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: I think that's a good, you know, tool and something 302 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: that we could all put into our daily lives to. 303 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: Be to be more positive too. 304 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: And then that affects you and then you're not just 305 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: because all of last year I was just like clinching 306 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: like my you know, my hands, I'm just so tight 307 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: because I'm just so stressed, and you know, I'm like 308 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: for what you know, right, everything was fine. Everything ended 309 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: up being fine. 310 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: And I think that well and we know that also 311 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: that's one of the huge things from exercise whatever it is. 312 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: You know, originally I did I did aerobics, and I 313 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: was matching the mindset with the movement. So you know, 314 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: like if you were pulling something in, what can you 315 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: pull in? Or what are you dumping? And no, and 316 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: so it was very choreographed, if you will but now 317 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: not everybody loves aerobics, so I've also done it to 318 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: a spin, or to running or to walking, And it 319 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: is because you release the when you're moving, so you're 320 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: not clinching, and that in and of itself is part 321 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: of what makes you more creative. So you'll come up 322 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: with great ideas when you're moving, where when you're sitting 323 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 2: there kind of like caved in. It's just a blank 324 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: for sure. 325 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: In your book too, because I want everyone to go 326 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: get it. What is your favorite chapter in the what 327 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: If It Were Easy? 328 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: Book? 329 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: And which one challenged you the most to write you 330 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: loved and the one that was the most challenging because 331 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: maybe you struggle with it. 332 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: Or yeah, that's such a great question. I'm torn between 333 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: what I love because the question I do love, and 334 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 2: that does come from a very specific story. But I 335 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: do think there's another question that I love equally as much. 336 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: I think very underestimates and maybe I'll sneak into here 337 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: what if We were Easy? The title did come from 338 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: a real life situation with my husband, who is a 339 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: producer TV producer, and he had why. 340 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: Isn't he putting you in your show? Like in his shows? 341 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 2: He does? So many men focused shows. It's insane. 342 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 3: He does, like, come on. 343 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: All of these historical docu dramas, men who built America, 344 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: World Wars the West, like I have done. I've done 345 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: a bunch of little things. 346 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 4: I have something coming up now actually, but they're all 347 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 4: pretty small because. 348 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 2: They're very there's not a lot of them. 349 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 3: You get it. 350 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So sorry that the title came from 351 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: your husband. 352 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he he he was had a first 353 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 2: look deal where you basically get paid for ideas, and 354 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: it was time for his contract to be renewed and 355 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: we lived in New York at the time, just had 356 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: a baby, and we were going out to La so 357 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: he could sign this contract. And he goes and I'm 358 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: sitting in the car and he comes out and he's 359 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: looking white. As it goes, I'm like, what happened? And 360 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 2: he's like, I was fired exactly. Oh wow, that was unexpected. 361 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, we were definitely in a bit of a 362 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: hole literally at that moment. And so he started to 363 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 2: panic and to like, what are we going to do? 364 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: This is ridiculous. You know, we have a new baby, 365 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: we live in New York, and on and on. It's 366 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: worth I'm trying to brainstorm and be positive and like 367 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: there's lots of possibilities. He's like, this business is impossible. 368 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, somebody's made it, can't be impossible, and 369 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: he's just he's like, oh, but it is. And uh. 370 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: He for some reason was obsessed with making a million 371 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 2: dollars and he just because he thought that would somehow 372 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: set us free. And he's like, I don't know, nobody 373 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 2: can make a million dollars in this business. And I 374 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 2: was like, well, somebody's made it, so you can too, 375 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 2: and he's like na, na na. I'm like, well, what 376 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: if it were easy? And he fought back, It's not easy, 377 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: you know, this business. And then I asked again, you know, 378 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: but what if it were easy, what would you do? 379 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 2: And just in that moment, I think he was frustrated 380 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: and realized I was going to keep asking. 381 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: You were going to stop until you got the answer. 382 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: I got it and he's like, I don't know. If 383 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: it were easy, I might start my own company. And 384 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: that had never been an idea that we talked about ever. 385 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 2: And I was like, really, well what would that look like? 386 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: And then we started to talk about it. The next day, 387 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: he called a friend they started a company and one 388 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: year later he made a million dollars. 389 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love that. That's so great. 390 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: Yes, not just the million, that's like, that's that's just 391 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: the okay cool. But what he did and how he 392 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, something that he didn't even think he could 393 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: do or never even said out loud, became something exactly 394 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: what he wanted to do. That's amazing. 395 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: I love that, and I think and that's the point 396 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: of the question. You know, it's not this Pollyanna whatever 397 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: it were easy, because no, I mean, you know, lots 398 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: of things are going to be challenging along the way, 399 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: but that what if it were easy? What would you do? 400 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: Really opens your heart to what's possible? What would you 401 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 2: want to do? What's deep inside? Because I really do 402 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: believe we all have the answers, but we overthink and 403 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: we get in our own way. And so when you 404 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: sort of connect into that heart space and make it easy, 405 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: then what would you do? And that's usually the thing 406 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: you should go do. 407 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: I love that. 408 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 2: I do love that. 409 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: What was the hardest one for you to write? Because 410 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: maybe you struggle with it? 411 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: Probably the decisive me you can't even decide which one 412 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: to tell you. So the first half of the book 413 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: is really the process. It goes through the seven steps 414 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: of the motor sized mindset reset process. The second half 415 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: of the book, I like to think of it as 416 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: as you need basis, and it's all the kind of 417 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: extra superpowers that you would need or want at any 418 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 2: given time to fulfill a goal. So sometimes it's creative, 419 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's patient, sometimes it's decisive. And 420 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 2: so there's there's twelve of them, and so guides you 421 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: through a whole lot of tips. That's the movement aspect 422 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: with that as well, and I think the decisive one 423 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: that's definitely when I still struggle with, so I have 424 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 2: to review that. 425 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a woman thing, you know, 426 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: probably know what we want, but then we're also you know, decive, 427 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: incisive too. 428 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: So for sure my mom was like brilliant at coming 429 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: up with like a million solutions and then we finally 430 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: decided to come up with a million more. So I 431 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: think I've definitely imparted that trade. 432 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 3: I love that. 433 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: Where can our listeners find you too if you want it? 434 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: Because because you're coaching, right, So I do, yes. 435 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: OK, So I do one on one on one regular 436 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: straight coaching, and then I often I also do motor size, 437 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: and I often integrate the two. But if someone really 438 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: doesn't want to do the movement, I can still coach you, 439 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: and so you can come to Sonia Satra s O 440 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: n I A s A t r A dot com. 441 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: And I'm on all the social media Instagram, Facebook, Twitter 442 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: or x or whatever. 443 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I still want to call it Twitter 444 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: because it's yeah Twitter, It's fine. Well, thank you so 445 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: much for coming on. Everyone, go get her amazing book, 446 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: What If it were easy using movement and mindset to 447 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: create success in life, love and business. And thank you 448 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: so much for coming on. Appreciate it. 449 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much. 450 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: Hi bye girl,