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Speaker 2: Do Jampacks show, John Meerscheimer wang In on whether or

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Speaker 2: not the ceasefire is going to hold. We've got some

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Speaker 2: terrible answers from Corey Booker and Gavin Newsom when they

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Speaker 3: go ahead and get to Israel.

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Speaker 1: As you said.

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Speaker 3: Professor John Meersheimer weighing in on the ceasefire, we always

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Speaker 3: looked to him for his trentent analysis.

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Speaker 1: Here was his immediate reaction.

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Speaker 5: I think you greatly underestimate peers how deeply committed the

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Speaker 5: Israelis are to ethnically cleansing both Gaza and the West Bank.

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Speaker 5: The Israelis now have a situation where there are roughly

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Speaker 5: as many Palestinians as there are Israeli Jews inside of

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Speaker 5: Greater Israel, and this is an unacceptable situation for most Israelis.

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Speaker 5: And they're completely committed to ethnically cleansing Gaza and then

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Speaker 5: the West Bank. I think the evidence is overwhelming on this.

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Speaker 5: Now you say President Trump sees this as a great

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Speaker 5: opportunity to prove that he's a statesman and he can

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Speaker 5: bring peace to the Middle East. I think in principle

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Speaker 5: that he'd love to do that. But I've written a

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Speaker 5: book with Steve Walt on the Israel lobby, and there's

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Speaker 5: absolutely no question in my mind that if President Trump

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Speaker 5: gets rough with Prime Minister net Yahoo net yawho will

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Speaker 5: turn to the lobby, and the lobby will force Trump

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Speaker 3: Some good words from the professor, and look, already we're

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Speaker 3: seeing a few indications nobody really knows right now Trump's

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Speaker 3: laser focused, at least for him, on the Israel ceasefire.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want it to break. What about a week

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Speaker 3: White House yesterday said quote, this is a very difficult process.

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Speaker 3: They are digging. There are areas where they are digging

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Speaker 3: For example, you have Finance Minister Smotritz who vowed quote,

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Speaker 1: But here's what he says. And I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: Is that for those of us, Crystal, who know how

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Speaker 3: the big miracles, he says in relations specifically to Jewish

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Speaker 3: And you fit that with John Meiersheimer's pronunciation. Now listen,

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Speaker 3: maybe Smotrich is just a fringe part of the government.

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Speaker 3: He has gotten a hell of a lot of what

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Speaker 3: replace Baby. By the way, Baby's corruption trial delayed. If

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Speaker 1: Do we have that? I think yeah, I think eight eight.

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Speaker 3: Please if you're wondering for his own political survival, he

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Speaker 1: He has bronchitis. You know, he didn't.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to make sure that he didn't pass his

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Speaker 2: This is better, though, than the alternative. Usually when his

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Literally, that's happened multiple times. To be well, we can't

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Speaker 4: What are we going to do?

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Speaker 2: So him having bronchitis is I guess a better alternative.

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Speaker 2: It's the way he's gotten out of the trial in

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's it.

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Speaker 3: That is a good point, But in general that seems

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and Israel already slow walking some of the

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Speaker 4: So they're supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: Opening up the Rafa crossing on the Egyptian side, they say, hey,

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Speaker 2: so they're slow walking that. Obviously, they immediately tried to say, oh,

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Speaker 2: get all of the bodies of hostages back. Well, in reality,

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Speaker 2: like Israel's banned all of the heavy earth moving equipment

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Speaker 2: the bodies out from under the rubble. In the ceasefire deal,

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration has said we don't think that Hamas

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Speaker 2: are pushing that idea, and you know which all obviously

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Speaker 2: not that they ever stopped. Okay, let's keep in mind

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Speaker 4: So you can.

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Speaker 2: See the direction they're trying to push in. And this

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Speaker 2: is why Meersheimer's comments are really important because, yeah, at

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Speaker 2: the moment, it seems that Trump wants the deal to

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Speaker 2: be relentless. They will never stop. The Israel lobby will

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Speaker 3: Did you were you the one who said that it

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Speaker 3: I know, anything that they're super pleased about. The best

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Speaker 3: we played everybody this amazing clip obviously from Trump, who

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Speaker 1: Frankly, I don't have a problem with that. That's what

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Speaker 3: They say, quote, we strongly urge Hamas to immediately suspend

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Speaker 3: We remain highly optimistic for the future of peace in

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Speaker 3: the region. Now in terms of what's actually going on,

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Speaker 3: enforcement authority. It's just like Afghanistan. It's just like Iraq.

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Speaker 3: When you take out the central administration and you leave

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Speaker 3: it to rubble, what's going to arise in its place? Warlords?

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Speaker 3: That's literally what's happening. Let's put this next one up here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why we.

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Speaker 3: Just say he's always right about everything, for all of

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Speaker 3: why don't we get to a pack.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So some extraordinary political moments on the Democratic side of

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Speaker 4: So let's start with Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a look. I will not vote for a

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Speaker 4: candidate that takes one dollar from APE.

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Speaker 6: It's interested, I mean, it's it's interesting. I even thought

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Speaker 6: about APAC and it's interesting. You're like the first to

442
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Speaker 6: bring up APAC in yours, which is interesting. Why did

443
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Speaker 6: I say that? Not relevant to my day to day life?

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Speaker 1: Okay, which is just interesting.

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Speaker 6: Listen, it's interesting you say that Jpack perhaps more, but

446
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Speaker 6: APAC less and less okay, Brenda, which is just interesting.

447
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Speaker 6: What's interesting about it that it's just interesting as you

448
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Speaker 6: bring up a pack that it hasn't been part of

449
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Speaker 6: I'm just reflecting quite openly and honestly hasn't been part

450
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Speaker 6: of the day to day.

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Speaker 2: If you're just listening to that, you're it's extraordinary. But

452
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Speaker 2: if you watch it, it's even more because he's like

453
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Speaker 2: wiggling and squirming in a seat like a little kid,

454
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Speaker 2: keeps just repeating the word interesting, which Sager I think

455
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Speaker 2: his initial like I think when he said it's interesting,

456
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Speaker 2: his first instinct was to insinuate, like this is low

457
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Speaker 2: key anti semitic that you're asking me about a pack

458
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Speaker 2: when I'm the governor in Calfol, Like, what do I

459
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Speaker 2: care about?

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Speaker 4: I haven't even thought about.

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Speaker 2: A pac It was also giving a little bit remember

462
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Speaker 2: when David Pacman was like is it pronounced eight?

463
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Speaker 4: Is it ipack? Is it eight? I've never heard of this.

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Speaker 2: It's like, dude, you are clearly setting yourself up for

465
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Speaker 2: a run for president in twenty twenty. You've wanted to

466
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Speaker 2: be president your entire life. Apak is one of the

467
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Speaker 2: biggest spenders in elections, and you want me to believe.

468
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Speaker 2: I haven't even thought about that. I haven't thought about

469
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Speaker 2: them in years. I have no idea, and you cannot

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Speaker 2: bring yourself to just say, hey, you know what a

471
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Speaker 2: group that's in favor of a GENII, Maybe I don't

472
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Speaker 2: really want their support. He is such a donor creation

473
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Speaker 2: that he just cannot say anything other than this is interesting,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting. Haven't thought about them. I don't know, talk

475
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Speaker 2: about like brain melt in real time.

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Speaker 3: I am extremely disappointed at it, and I take it personally.

477
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Speaker 3: I trusted his political judgment much more than that, to

478
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Speaker 3: be honest. I mean, I thought he's done quite well

479
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Speaker 3: in general with the social media campaign in general, you know,

480
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Speaker 3: like standing up for true I'm talking about purely in

481
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Speaker 3: a lens of democratic politics. He's a smooth talker. He

482
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Speaker 3: seemed to me like a coalitional manager. That just is

483
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Speaker 3: a sheer sell in terms of political talent, because it's like, dude,

484
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Speaker 3: you're either pretending and you're not doing a very good

485
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Speaker 3: job of it, or you're actually unaware of APAK and

486
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Speaker 3: the controversy that's online. Both of those are frankly disqualifying

487
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Speaker 3: in terms of just sheer political talent. I could give

488
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Speaker 3: you a better answer from a democratic perspective right now,

489
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Speaker 3: which is kind of what Corey Booker tried to do,

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Speaker 3: which we'll get to in a little bit, which is

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Speaker 3: I don't take corporate pack money, and I don't want

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Speaker 3: anybody's money who's trying to push a particular agenda next question, right,

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Speaker 3: and that's it.

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Speaker 7: That's that's all it takes. But instead getting some does

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Speaker 7: want to controversial money. I mean, that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: I know, but I mean there's as you know, when

497
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Speaker 3: Slatkin was here and she's like, well, I don't take money.

498
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Speaker 3: It's like, well, you took money from their bumbler, so

499
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Speaker 3: you did kind of take money. But there's a way

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Speaker 3: to rhetorically figure your way out of it. And look,

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Speaker 3: no disrespect to Van, by the way, I did talk

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Speaker 3: to him. I am a huge fan of the Rewatchables

503
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Speaker 3: and the Ringer guys over there, and so it's great

504
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Speaker 3: to have his support. He apparently watches the show quite

505
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Speaker 3: a bit, which is very cool. But my point, just

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Speaker 3: more broadly is that for him Van, for example, coming in,

507
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Speaker 3: there's been like I won't take money from someone with APEC.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's that hard to I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's that hard to square. Like, it's just one of

510
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Speaker 3: those where you're right, I don't. I don't want special

511
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Speaker 3: interest support if you're any and I would say that

512
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Speaker 3: about anybody, and then I would go into a tangent

513
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Speaker 3: about some big business area which he's comfortable with, right,

514
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Speaker 3: and then just.

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Speaker 1: Go in that direction.

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Speaker 2: You know, what would be a good pivot to try

517
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Speaker 2: to pull off? And if you have a dog at

518
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Speaker 2: an interview where there's no good answer for him, right,

519
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Speaker 2: But you know, if you wanted to try to pull

520
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Speaker 2: off a pivot, you would say something like, you know,

521
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Speaker 2: I'm really concerned about money and politics in general, per

522
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Speaker 2: influence of all sorts of whether it's you know, a

523
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Speaker 2: pack or J pack or the corporate lobby or you know,

524
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Speaker 2: like big pharma. I am so concerned about the way

525
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Speaker 2: our democracy has been taken over by big money. Supreme

526
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Speaker 2: Court decision coming up, Trump is bad? Next question, right,

527
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Speaker 2: And like I said, if you have a dog at interview,

528
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Speaker 2: interview where they're obviously going to price you, okay, but

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Speaker 2: what specific what about APAC specifically? Like have you taken

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Speaker 2: money for them? Will you take money from them in

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Speaker 2: the future? And then he just has to make a

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Speaker 2: choice like, are you going to say no and be

533
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Speaker 2: aligned with where the base is at this point and

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Speaker 2: where not just the face.

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Speaker 4: By the way, this has become.

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Speaker 2: A very like mainstream concern with a pack as a

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Speaker 2: catch all for the incredible influence of Israel on our politics.

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Speaker 2: So are you going to align yourself with them? Or

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Speaker 2: are you going to keep on the table the possibility

540
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Speaker 2: of getting apax millions of dollars and you just are

541
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Speaker 2: going to have to make that decision when you look

542
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Speaker 2: really terrible, is when you're trying very obviously trying to

543
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Speaker 2: have it both ways.

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Speaker 4: With Gavin, you know, so much of.

545
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Speaker 2: His political career and his success, ohs not just you look,

546
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Speaker 2: he does have political skill and talent, there's no denying that,

547
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Speaker 2: but also his ability to raise vast amounts of money

548
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Speaker 2: from in particular the California big Democratic donor class that's

549
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Speaker 2: primarily Stilicon Valley. It's also Hollywood, you know, Even putting

550
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Speaker 2: a pack aside, there are many people in both of

551
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Speaker 2: those donor worlds who are very interested in you know,

552
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Speaker 2: who are committed Zionists, who are going to want to

553
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Speaker 2: hear you say the right things on that issue from

554
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Speaker 2: their perspective. So he's not just thinking about, Okay, am

555
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Speaker 2: I going to lose a pack support and have them

556
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Speaker 2: back some other candidate who's in the race, But am

557
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Speaker 2: I also going to piss off a bunch of people

558
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Speaker 2: that I'm friends with, that I've relied on for support,

559
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Speaker 2: who've given me millions and millions of dollars over the

560
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Speaker 2: course of my career. And that's why his brain just

561
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Speaker 2: sort of melts. He can't say anything.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I am shocked. I am a little surprised that his

564
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Speaker 2: answer was this bad yeah, right, exactly because he went

565
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Speaker 2: on with this this like gamer streamer. I'm sorry, I

566
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 2: forget his name, but in any case, I watch it,

567
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: and he got asked some questions about Israel and generally like.

568
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Speaker 4: To state one state, what do you think?

569
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Speaker 2: And he did fine, like he clearly anticipated those questions

570
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Speaker 2: would be there. He said things that were not going

571
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Speaker 2: to kill them politically.

572
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Speaker 4: It was fine.

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Speaker 2: And so to me, is such a sign of how

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Speaker 2: incredibly out of touch these guys are with their own voters,

575
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Speaker 2: with the base of their own party. They still think

576
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: because they look at the polling and it'll you know,

577
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: people will say, this isn't their number one issue.

578
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: They do not get the way.

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Speaker 2: That it is serving as a litmus test for character,

580
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Speaker 2: as test.

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Speaker 4: For basic morality and.

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Speaker 1: Character also control.

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Speaker 3: I think it's actually absolutely I think independence right, so

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Speaker 3: absolutely for me, that's really what it's mean. Yeah, bro,

585
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Speaker 3: if he can't say that age nine, like, it's like

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Speaker 3: you're not you are not a original thing. I guess

587
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Speaker 3: I should never have thought that from Gavin, And that's

588
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: more my mistake, but I always thought that he had

589
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: the ability, the political ability to chart a different direction,

590
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: another easy way to thread the needle to say, don't

591
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Speaker 3: nobody controls me, no matter what right. You could just

592
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Speaker 3: go off man, talk about all the independent times you've

593
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Speaker 3: bucked big money interests in the in California, which I mean,

594
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Speaker 3: you probably can't find a ton of examples, but I'm.

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Speaker 4: Sure she could come up with five or six or.

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Speaker 1: Whatever off the top of his head. I did look

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Speaker 1: up Jpack.

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Speaker 3: It's like the Jewish Political Action Committee of California, so

599
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: that's what he was referencing. But it's like, look, you

600
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Speaker 3: know what a Pack is. You also a really talented

601
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Speaker 3: political person. If I think back to Bill Clinton, one

602
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: of his best moments in the nineteen ninety two presidential debates.

603
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Speaker 3: You can go watch this on YouTube if you're interested.

604
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Speaker 3: Is a woman asked him about the national debt. But

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Speaker 3: Clinton is smart. He's like, this lady doesn't care about

606
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Speaker 3: the national debt. She's asking about the economy in general.

607
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: She's just a voter. I'm not blaming her. So he

608
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: takes it and he goes, you're concerned about the national debt.

609
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Speaker 3: He starts talking about He starts rantic trickle down economics

610
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Speaker 3: and people who lose their.

611
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Speaker 1: Jobs to factories and everything.

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Speaker 3: It was one of his best moments because you took

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Speaker 3: the question, but you answered it in a way that

614
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Speaker 3: got to the heart of what she was trying to say.

615
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: And what Van I think is trying to say is

616
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Speaker 3: I'm not taking money. I don't want to. He's like,

617
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: I will not vote for a person who to me

618
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 3: appears controlled by the Israel Lobby, because that, to me

619
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Speaker 3: is about independence. I'm outraged about what's happening in Gaza.

620
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Speaker 3: I don't know why. That is a very difficult needle

621
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Speaker 3: to thread. And so the fact that Gavin is not

622
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: either online aware or whatever enough, or that the lobby

623
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: is so powerful he thinks that they're necessary for his election.

624
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: It's honestly mystifying to me for any prevailing politician. I

625
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: think even Bootage Edge has given better answers about that.

626
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's given a good answer to okay,

627
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: but his first interview with pod was a disaster. But

628
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Speaker 3: did you notice with Andrew Callahan there wasn't a single

629
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Speaker 3: viral clip that came out of that one, Like, I mean, look,

630
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: maybe that's Andreid by his own admission, he didn't press

631
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: him that hard or whatever on the Israel question, but

632
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Speaker 3: he tightened it up enough to where it go viral

633
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Speaker 3: for a moment like that. Yes, And I mean, look,

634
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Speaker 3: Gavin is a talented guy, so I'm not going to

635
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: count him out just yet. You know that it eats

636
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: his soul that something like this does go for You

637
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: never want to go viral for a bad answer. So

638
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: maybe you'll come up with a better answer and he

639
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: might be able to thread the needle. But the fact

640
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: is is that if you're most talented people in the party,

641
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: your stars and this is where they're at.

642
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Man, we got a lot of work to do.

643
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: Like if you're if you're in the if you're in

644
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Speaker 3: the echelon, like you got a lot of work to do.

645
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Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and play the Corey Booker with

646
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: my with My Girls, the ladies over it that I've

647
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Speaker 2: had it podcast. Because part of the problem for these

648
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: like you know, slimy career politicians is they want to

649
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: like word solid like rhetoric their way out of it,

650
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: when people really just want a very simple yes or no,

651
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: like am I going to take money for Are you

652
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: going to take money from a back yes or no?

653
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: Like there's no rhetorical flourishing your way out of it.

654
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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you either are or

655
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Speaker 2: you aren't. And so she asked Corey Booker, is your call?

656
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Speaker 2: He did that photo op with Benjamin Yaho was like

657
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Speaker 2: trying to hide behind people remember that picture that came

658
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Speaker 2: out of it, And so she asked them, just fat, okay,

659
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Speaker 2: is he a war criminal or not? Let's take a

660
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Speaker 2: listen to how Corey responds.

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Speaker 8: One of the things I dislike about the Democratic Party

662
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Speaker 8: is that we do a circular firing squad all the

663
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Speaker 8: time their party they disagree. There's a wild disagreements in

664
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Speaker 8: the Republican tent, and yet they don't shoot at each other.

665
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Speaker 8: And we have a really good way of holding up

666
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Speaker 8: these purity tests that if I agree with you.

667
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Speaker 1: On night, that's such a bullshit.

668
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Speaker 8: That is bullshit.

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Speaker 9: They fired each other all the time. Trump has sent

670
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Speaker 9: so many people out to pasture, so many people that

671
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 9: he calls rhinos. Liz Cheney can tell you that they

672
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Speaker 9: have the firing squad as well. It's not a purity test,

673
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 9: it's are we in this fight? And are we being

674
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Speaker 9: behold into corporations and corporate interests where we really the

675
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 9: party of the working class.

676
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Speaker 8: I'm one of a handful of people that don't take

677
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Speaker 8: corporate pac money. I don't understand my Democrats.

678
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Speaker 4: What about a PAC many?

679
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Speaker 9: You take APEC many.

680
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Speaker 8: Don't you a minuscule percentage of my resources come up?

681
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Speaker 9: It's like eight hundred thousand.

682
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Speaker 8: Yeah, but that's a lifetime number of raising ten millions.

683
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Speaker 9: The Democratic base feels like there is a disconnect. We

684
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Speaker 9: hear you, Like when you do your twenty five hour speech,

685
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Speaker 9: I was like, go, Corey, I love this. That is amazing.

686
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Speaker 9: And then there's a photo shoot with you with Benjamin

687
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Speaker 9: Nett Yahoo, and I was just like, what in the

688
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 9: actual fuck, Like, how can he do that? It was heartbreaking.

689
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 9: I felt betrayed and that is that hang on, and

690
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 9: that doesn't just happen in an echo chamber. Democrats like

691
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Speaker 9: you where the base. We should make each other better.

692
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Speaker 9: It's not a purity test. We want credible messengers because

693
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 9: when we are down the middle, beholden to corporate interests,

694
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Speaker 9: we leave this vacuum. And that's how fascism has flourished.

695
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Speaker 9: For myself and a lot of our listeners. When I

696
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 9: saw the picture with Benjamin Nett, Yahoo, I felt like

697
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Speaker 9: it diminished your twenty five hours. That's how it felt

698
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Speaker 9: to me. Do you think he's a war criminal? Benjamin Nett, Yaho?

699
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Speaker 9: Do you think he's a war criminal?

700
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Speaker 8: I again, these are questions that a lot of people

701
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Speaker 8: think are the important liness tests that are loaded and hot.

702
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Speaker 8: My urgency is to be an effective leader in bringing

703
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Speaker 8: an end to this crisis, and I get these questions

704
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Speaker 8: all the time that to me undermine my urgency.

705
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Speaker 9: I think the thing that democrats get so frustrated with

706
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Speaker 9: where we are right now, where you see like those

707
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Speaker 9: zoron Mom Donnie's and the Grand Platiners rise up because

708
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Speaker 9: you can they can go on podcasting. You can say,

709
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Speaker 9: do you think Benjamin Nette know who's a war criminal?

710
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 9: And they just say yes, and that's the end of it.

711
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Speaker 9: It's not all of the rhetoric answering. It's like what

712
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Speaker 9: happens to democratic politicians. They go through this prism and

713
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Speaker 9: then we can't ever get like the answer to yes

714
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Speaker 9: or no conversations like Bernie. And that's the frustration.

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Speaker 8: For the Trump Yes do. I think that we right

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Speaker 8: now in America should be doing everything possible to bring peace,

717
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Speaker 8: not just to that crisis, but to the ones that

718
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Speaker 8: shock me that no one talks about. And I hope

719
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Speaker 8: and I don't know if you guys have or not.

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Speaker 2: And I think what Jennifer hits on there with like,

721
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Speaker 2: listen our frustration, why can't you just say yes or no?

722
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: Like all of this Oh it's you know, trying to

723
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Speaker 2: talk your way out of it or talk your way

724
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Speaker 2: around it, like it's a yes or no question.

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Speaker 4: Is he a war criminal? And frankly, I'm actually.

726
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Speaker 2: A little surprised that he couldn't even say that, because

727
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: what a lot of liberals do is they will try

728
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: to do like, oh, Israel's great and amazing, there's no problems.

729
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: It's just net Yahoo, He's the problem, and try to

730
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Speaker 2: because at this point it's undeniable, like the war crimes,

731
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Speaker 2: the Horde, the genus, all of that is like undeniable.

732
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Speaker 2: So the best bet for a lot of liberal Zionists

733
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Speaker 2: is now to say, yeah, but I really hate net

734
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Speaker 2: Yahoo and yeah, he's the real problem. So it is

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Speaker 2: actually a little bit surprising that Corey Booker can't even

736
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Speaker 2: do that. I agree, Yeah, I mean I found that extraordinary,

737
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Speaker 2: and I think he's surprised by it too.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing is shocking by the way Corey Booker

739
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two sponsored a war crimes just being

740
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Speaker 3: bought against Putin in case anybody's wondering he knows what

741
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Speaker 3: a war crime is. He also, look, if that's the

742
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: liberal framework that you believe in, this is always what

743
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 3: screwed to the pro Israel liberals is because they're happy

744
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: to call for regime change in Putin and Russia war crimes,

745
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Speaker 3: but with Israel.

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Speaker 1: They're like, oh, it's complicated. The ICJ is so biased, right,

747
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Speaker 1: that's what he's like, he said, yeah, he said that singles.

748
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Speaker 2: Out, And then he also tried to do the whole like, well,

749
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Speaker 2: why don't you care about these other conflicts? Why don't

750
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: you care about these other things. So he used all

751
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Speaker 2: of the Dodger.

752
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Speaker 3: Because we're not funding all of them. Dude, that's just

753
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: people just bullshit.

754
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Speaker 2: People just see right through it, and I'm so sick

755
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: of you don't want to. Tucker's best moments was when

756
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: he called out Ted Cruz for insinuating He was an

757
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: answer like, I am so sick of all of these

758
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 2: like little passive aggressive ways of insinuating someone's an anti

759
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: semit Fucking come out and say it. You know what,

760
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: if you think it's antisemitic that she cares about Israel,

761
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Speaker 2: just fucking say it. Don't be such a weasel, such

762
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: a worm. I'm so sick of that.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't agree with you more. I think, Look,

765
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Speaker 3: with Corey, Corey's not actually counted. That's my thing is

766
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: so I expect this from him.

767
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Speaker 1: It's still Gavin.

768
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Speaker 3: I'm stuck on where I'm like, dude, Like, look, Corey

769
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 3: is a discount Obama from the day he came to office.

770
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Speaker 3: He's always been trying to do the affect. He's always

771
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: trying to go via for his veganism or whatever. You know,

772
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Speaker 3: It's just it's it's cringe. He's been cringe from day one.

773
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Speaker 3: He's obviously controlled by the big money guys in New Jersey.

774
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Speaker 3: So this isn't all that shocking. I guess what's more

775
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Speaker 3: shocking why he agreed to go on the podcast and

776
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: why he was so shocked. You know that he was

777
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: getting pressed on Israel, which it's like, how about you

778
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: pay attention. But that's one thing that a lot of

779
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: people underestimate is that these politicians, you don't get to

780
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: this position from nothing. You are a egomaniacal narcissist to

781
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: a degree that the average person has never interacted with

782
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: like this type of political this type of personality profile

783
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: is extremely rare, and they gravitate to Washington for a reason.

784
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, he has supreme confidence in his ability to

785
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: school her or any of that. But I think what

786
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: he is not able to deal with is it would

787
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: almost respect him more if you'd be like, look, I'm

788
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 3: pro Israel for this and this reason, and he could,

789
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: if you could articulate a case, it would be respectable.

790
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 3: But for me, it's all of the split, the different stuff,

791
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: which is just mealy mouthed. It's weasley. It just seems

792
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: like you're trying to have it both ways. You see

793
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: that with Gavin, you see it with Corey. It's just

794
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: a sheer lack of political talent. And I think what

795
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: these guys underestimate. To your point about the polls, no

796
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: one says it's the number one issue, but it's a

797
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: proxy for are you independent, controlled? Are you going to

798
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: say what you actually think? And if you can't say it,

799
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: then get out of here. It reminds me, you know,

800
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: at the time Trump twenty sixteen, radical Islamic terrorism, You

801
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: remember this and Hillary just wouldn't say it. It's like,

802
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: why won't you say it? She just was like, I

803
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 3: prefer radical Jahadism. And everyone's like, heyah, you just it's

804
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: like for everybody else, for people who were concerned about

805
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: it or anything, they're like you, you seem more a

806
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: concern with political correctness than you do about keeping us safe.

807
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: That's why it was an issue. Right.

808
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: You can object to the term or whatever that intellectually,

809
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: but politically that's what it was about. This is like

810
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: that on steroids, because this is active hot war where

811
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 3: you actively are taking money and you're actually participating and

812
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: sending bombs to fund it. That is just look beyond

813
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 3: even just morality again, for most people, especially a lot

814
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: of young people who are out there.

815
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Speaker 1: I presume that's what Newsom wants.

816
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: That's why he's in his jeans and his shirt and

817
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: all that on the higher learning pod is he's trying

818
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: to reach these younger audiences. This is hot, like you

819
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 3: just can't get away from it. Look, by the way,

820
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: this is a right left phenomenon. There's this TPUSA thing

821
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 3: going on right now where Glenn Beck and Megan Kelly

822
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: and all these people are out there. Glenn Beck is

823
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 3: torturing himself over Israel. Every single event. They're like, okay,

824
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: you know, give Charlie is due. It was actually not

825
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: much better at it. And part of the reason why

826
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: he had the focus groups and he had much more

827
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: workshop dnswers. You could see all the text messages and

828
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: things that have come out. What's he working through. He's like,

829
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: I don't know how to deal with all of this

830
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: stuff that's bubbling up on campuses. So you're seeing this

831
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: happen at every level. And if you can't just say

832
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: the truth, you're done in my opinion. So you know,

833
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: left liberals, you guys, you deserve everything that's coming to you.

834
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: You deserve your tea.

835
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 3: Party moment because you again not Corey but Gavin Pete.

836
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: You were talented enough, you had the ability, but you

837
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: tried to split the difference.

838
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: And somebody's going to beat your ass.

839
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: Who is has believes in a whole other type of

840
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: stuff simply because they're just going to seem like they're real.

841
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: That's it.

842
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: Hary Booker is particularly offensive to me, as you guys

843
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: know if you my monologue about him, because he postures

844
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: like he's the civil rights hero, moral crusader. Yeah, and

845
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: he wants to have basically the positions of John Fetterman

846
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: on Israel and still wear the mask of some progressive

847
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 2: humanitarian icon. And this is very binary, like the rubber

848
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: has met the roape, and you are either going to

849
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: be a humanitarian who cares about innocent women and children

850
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: getting murdered with our tax dollars, or you're not.

851
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: And you are complete fraud and phony.

852
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: And I think we all, you know, we all know

853
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: what he is really going on there.

854
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a.

855
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: Guy who bragged about like being text message besties with

856
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: the head of Aback, Like this is who he is.

857
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Speaker 2: He was super super close Rabbi Shmuli for years and

858
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Speaker 2: years and years. They did ultimately have a fallout over

859
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: apparently like they were I don't know, she mule ended

860
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: up being too self promotional, even for Corey Bugger, which

861
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: is an extraordinary thing. You go back and look at

862
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: all the details of how that all went down. But

863
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: you know, this, this is who he is, and a

864
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Speaker 2: part of that is this is this is going back.

865
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys remember in Obama twenty twelve,

866
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: Corey Booker came out and he was a spokesperson, like

867
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Speaker 2: a major spokesperson for Obama's campaign and was so upset

868
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: about Obama going after private equity and said that publicly,

869
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: and it was a whole thing. I mean, that's where

870
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: his bread is buttered. Like he represents New Jersey. He

871
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: gets all his money from a bunch of like you know,

872
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: finance guys, Wall Street, those types. There are a number

873
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: of those donors who are also very interested in this issue,

874
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: and you know, and he wants the APAC money whatever,

875
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: and so that's who he is. So I think there's

876
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: this is going to this trend of liberals trying to

877
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: posture like their progresses, trying to posture like their humanitarians,

878
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: I think, and getting exposed is going to continue because

879
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: in a certain sense, again with a dog and enough interviewer,

880
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: there is no good answer here. Now he could have

881
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: said on the war criminal thing, he could have said

882
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: something like, well, he's indicted by the ICC, and you know,

883
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: I believe in international law and so I'm gonna watch

884
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: but they.

885
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: Don't they do it.

886
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 4: But like that's you. You would have to do something

887
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: like that.

888
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's going to be totally really

889
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: satisfying to people at this point either. They just it's

890
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: refreshing when you hear a grand Platner or Zoran Mom

891
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: Donnie just be able to say, yes, he's a war criminal,

892
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: Yes he should be indicted. Yes it should be in

893
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: the hag, like that is what people actually want to hear.

894
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: And if you aren't prepared to say that, then just

895
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: just do the fetterment.

896
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: Just be John Fetterman.

897
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: You know there's like you are not going to make

898
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 2: anyone happy with this attempted middle ground bulsheon.

899
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: And you can actually split the difference too, because then

900
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: you get the accusation of like why are you obsessed

901
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: with Israel?

902
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: Actually, Zoron is the best of this.

903
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: He did his interview yesterday with Fox News, and she

904
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: kept He's so good.

905
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 8: Yeah.

906
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: She kept pressing and being like, should Hummas disarm? And

907
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: he's like, I think New York City should have less cost.

908
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: And it was like, I don't have an opinion of it.

909
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't do have an opinion on afford

910
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: Bill exactly.

911
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, ahead, Look, I mean, I got

912
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: a lot of beef with Zorn, mister Zorn, but I'm like,

913
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: I respect talent where I see it, man, and like

914
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 3: for that.

915
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: Why why?

916
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 3: Why is that even a refreshing answer to be able

917
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: to see something like that from Corey, from Gavin, all

918
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: these guys.

919
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't know.

920
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 3: I just get the feeling again to the proxy of control.

921
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, if you're going to say that, that

922
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: means you're never even going to wink in my direction

923
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 3: to anything that I particularly care about.

924
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: And this is for anybody. It's about being controlled.

925
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: And that's part of the probably you know, if you

926
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: look at some of the gen Z, and some of

927
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: the gen Z like disillusionment with Trump in particular with

928
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,959
Speaker 3: men Israel's a huge I mean, I don't think people

929
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: are grappling with that. Like from TikTok to the general

930
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: feeling of like, I feel betrayed because one of the

931
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: reasons that a lot of gen Z guys even supported

932
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: Trump is like he tells it like it is right.

933
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm sick of these liberal They seem like they're controlled

934
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: by these big groups and all they care about is

935
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: some woke bullshit. And Trump is offensive, but that's good

936
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 3: because it means he's authentic. But then when you start,

937
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: you know, pulling the chair out for baby and rolling

938
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: out the red carpet and giving them everything they want,

939
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: that's that's the rubber meet the road issue. And they're like, yeah, man,

940
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: I'm sick of this, right, And so that's why I

941
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 3: think this is such a potent thing.

942
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: It's not number one.

943
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: I never would claim that it is number one, but

944
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: it's a gateway drug if you will, to this person

945
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: is independent and yeah, I mean right now, they're just

946
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: giving it away to the Platiners and the Zorns and

947
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: to everybody else. And I don't know, in a way,

948
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: I don't feel bad for.

949
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: Them at all.

950
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 3: I'm like, you, you deserve everything that's coming to you.

951
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: You deserve to get beat out in the election or

952
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: lose a primary or look foolish on the internet, because

953
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: this is a political talent question, and these people are

954
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 3: purely cynical.

955
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: They don't care about anything.

956
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 3: So it's just obvious that they don't have what it takes,

957
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: at least right now from what my perspective.

958
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: Indeed, yeah, all right, do you have anything else on

959
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: this real thing?

960
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 4: We have a couple. Let's move it on to China.

961
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to China.

962
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a huge story, really huge story come out

963
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: of China. There's been all of these swings in the

964
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: trade war. So for example, you guys covered with Emily,

965
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 3: Trump announces a one tariff on China in retaliation for

966
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: rare earth minerals being cut off. The Chinese are holding

967
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,479
Speaker 3: incredibly firm, and the administration is now taking a very

968
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: different tone saying, actually, we are in sustained trade war

969
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: now with China.

970
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to Trump yesterday in the Leival Office,

971
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: and you're meeting with President she in a few weeks.

972
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: If you can't come to an agreement or a deal

973
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: at that meeting, are we in for a sustained trade

974
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: war with China?

975
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: Well, you're in one now.

976
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 6: Look, we have one hundred percent tariff. If we didn't

977
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 6: have tariffs, we would be exposed as being a nothing.

978
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: We would have no defense.

979
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: We're in one now, so he's declaring the trade war.

980
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: This actually needs to pair with these comments from Secretary

981
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: Scott Bessett, who is ripping the Chinese negotiators taking a

982
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: very very hard line despite some of the things going

983
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: on behind the scenes.

984
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: We'll tell you about in a bit, but let's take

985
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: a listen to that first.

986
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 10: What happened from your point of view, because I thought

987
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 10: talks were going well, lines of communication were open, and

988
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 10: then we learned about this rare earth mineral restriction from China,

989
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 10: and now it's back and forth and things are heating

990
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 10: up again.

991
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 11: They are, and that the Chinese are trying to backfill

992
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 11: the narrative, you know, saying, well, the the US did A,

993
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 11: B and C, therefore we had to do D and

994
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 11: that's not true. Is that there was a lower level

995
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 11: trade person who was slightly unhinged here in August I

996
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 11: think his name is Lee Kwongong and threatening saying that

997
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 11: China would unleash chaos on the global system if the

998
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 11: US went ahead with our docking fees for Chinese ships,

999
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 11: and this is clearly something that they were planning all along.

1000
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 11: I think that things can de escalate that we don't

1001
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 11: want to have to escalate.

1002
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 8: We have things that.

1003
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 11: Are more powerful than the rarer export controls that the

1004
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 11: Chinese wanted to put on. And so to be clear,

1005
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 11: this is China versus the world. It's not a US

1006
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 11: China problem. Good news is that this is IMF. We

1007
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 11: a lot of my counterpart or all my counterparts are here.

1008
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 11: We're going to be speaking with our European allies, with Australia,

1009
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 11: with Canada, with India and the Asian democracies, and we're

1010
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 11: going to have a fulsome group response to this because

1011
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 11: bureaucrats in China cannot manage the supply chain or the

1012
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 11: manufacturing process for the rest.

1013
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: Of the world.

1014
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: So he frames it as China against the world. However,

1015
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: big news actually just out this morning from New Delhi.

1016
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: The Finance Minister of India is actually skipping this year's

1017
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: annual meeting of the World Bank and of the IMF

1018
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: over unresolved differences on trade and the Indian purchases of

1019
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 3: Russian oil. By the way, Trump did say yesterday Modi

1020
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: told him he would stop buying Russian oil has yet

1021
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: to be confirmed by New Delhi, so I'll let you

1022
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: decide whether that one's true or not. Right, And I

1023
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: did check the overnights coming out from there, But the

1024
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: point remains China's holding firm. They're like, no, do it,

1025
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: then do it? The reason why it's kind of amazing.

1026
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 3: I've been reading into their strategy. Let's put this up

1027
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: here on the screen from the Wall Street Journal, who

1028
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: obviously got this from the CCP itself. It's from their

1029
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: Beijing bureau. They say, China, betting it can win a

1030
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: trade war, is playing hardball with Trump. I just want

1031
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: to read this to all of you just to show

1032
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: the incredibly weak position that we are in. Shishingping is

1033
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: betting the US economy cannot absorb a prolonged trade conflict

1034
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: with the world's second largest economy. China is holding a

1035
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: firm line because it's conviction that an escalating trade war

1036
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: will tank markets, as it did in April after Trump

1037
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 3: announced Liberation Day, prompting Beijing to hit back. China expects

1038
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 3: the prospect of another market meltdown will ultimately force Trump

1039
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: to negotiate, and an expected summit with SI later this

1040
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: month Beijing continues to play hardball this month, escalating the

1041
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: trade fight by Monday sanctioning US units of South Korean shipping.

1042
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: The move whipsawd US markets on Tuesday, triggering a sharp

1043
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: early selloff as hopes for easing tensions and fit before

1044
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: markets partially rebounded and steadied in the afternoon as it

1045
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 3: looked again as if negotiations were going to happen. Beijing

1046
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: is imposing restrictions on the export of rare earth minerals,

1047
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 3: which is vital to the consumer electronics and tech industry. Now,

1048
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: if you want to know how America is going to

1049
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: hit back at China for rare earth minerals, literally, one

1050
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: of the most critical things that we have. Let's go

1051
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 3: ahead and put C five on the screen just to

1052
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: see what the cards that we're holding.

1053
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: This is from Trump.

1054
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: I believe China purposefully not buying our soybeans and causing

1055
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: difficulty for our soybean farmers is an economically hostile act.

1056
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: We are considering terminating business with China having to do

1057
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: with cooking oil and other elements.

1058
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: Of trade as retribution as substitutes for that.

1059
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: As an example, we can easily produce cooking oil ourselves.

1060
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: We don't need to purchase it from China.

1061
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so devastating blow.

1062
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: China's got us on rare earth minerals, which we need

1063
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 3: to power tsumer electronics, iPhones, everything, rare earth minerals, ivy

1064
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 3: bat whatever, you know, so many different things.

1065
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, but we won't buy your cooking oil.

1066
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: Not great, it's not great.

1067
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 7: Okay, so yeah it's not good. Okay, I'll just put

1068
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 7: it that way. In terms of it, like so much smart.

1069
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 4: I mean they planned.

1070
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 2: We when Emily and I cover this, we're talking about

1071
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: our nose thread where he was talking about like one

1072
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: of the vulnerabilities China actually had was on helium, which

1073
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: is like something you wouldn't necessarily think of, but they're

1074
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: very dependent on us for helium, and so over years

1075
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: they were like, we're going to make sure we're not

1076
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: dependent on them for helium so that if push comes

1077
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 2: to shove, we can take some actions like you know,

1078
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: we're not going to send you rare earth minerals anymore,

1079
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: and they will have limited ways that they can retally,

1080
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 2: so they did all that planning in advance. Meanwhile, Besson's

1081
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: comments about like oh, it's the world versus China. You

1082
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: have picked a fight with the entire freaking world. I mean,

1083
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: this is something you and I have been saying since

1084
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: Liberation Day. If you actually want to China, then you

1085
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Speaker 2: have to isolate China.

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Speaker 4: You have to have friendly relations with the rest of

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Speaker 4: We have to.

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Speaker 2: Give them reasons that we want to be on your

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Speaker 2: side and not looking for a reason to actually side

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Speaker 2: with China.

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Speaker 4: And so you see the fallout with India.

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Speaker 2: We've been you know, extraordinarily like provocative and irritating towards

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00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: them and really screwed up that relationship. So yeah, we're

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00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: not in a great not in a great position here.

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Speaker 2: And I think the smart money is on you know,

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00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: Trump Taco, because the Chinese are absolutely right, Our entire

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00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: economy is just a bet on Ai and China can

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00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: screw that up like they can pop the bubble. So

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Speaker 2: you know, I think they're intelligent enough to realize that

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Speaker 2: Trump lives and dies by what the stock market is doing.

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00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: So you know, when they're able to genuinely threaten the

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Speaker 2: performance of the market in a way that really stings, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's going to back down.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a good bet.

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Speaker 1: The S and P's near an all time high.

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Speaker 3: If you see even a ten percent correction, it's going

1107
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 3: to be big problems for Trump because that is floating

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00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: the whole economy. And if you start to see stops

1109
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: in our credit markets, which is fueling all this AI stuff,

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Speaker 3: good luck, because then, you know, what do we talk

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00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: about here All the time we talk about AI. It's

1112
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Speaker 3: literally covering up an actual recession. Without them, we're dead.

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00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: We have a recession in almost every other industry. We

1114
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: have problems with employment, we have problems with consumer demand.

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Speaker 3: We have the bifurcated economy of the rich and the poor.

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00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 3: If you see the contraction of again, even ten percent,

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00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 3: that's going to cause fear in the top ten percent

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Speaker 3: of consumers.

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Speaker 1: They will cut back, which means.

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Speaker 3: That's fifty percent of all consumer spending, which will take

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Speaker 3: a hit. By the way, it's October, We're going into

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00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: November and December, which is when the vast majority of

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Speaker 3: retail sales happen in a very short period of time

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Speaker 3: during the Christmas season. That also factors into travel. Everything

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Speaker 3: you know, can go on forever. And so the point

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Speaker 3: just broadly, with the China tariffs and with the war

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Speaker 3: of where we are right now, is they know exactly

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Speaker 3: who we are.

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Speaker 1: They know who we are, and.

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Speaker 3: The problem is that we created the situation in like

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00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 3: multiple different ways. So for example, we'd blew our wad

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00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: entirely in sanctioning Russia, and we showed that even with

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00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: the full force of United States sanctions against you, that

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00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 3: as long as you have enough material, enough weapons and

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Speaker 3: war and some sovereignty and some few allies like China

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00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 3: and India, not only can you survive, your GDP can grow.

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Speaker 3: China is what orders of magnitude twenty fifty, one hundred

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00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: times more powerful than Russia.

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Speaker 1: So for them, they're like, yeah, it'll hurt for sure.

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Speaker 3: But as I told everybody in the original parts of

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00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: the trade deal, they have functioning government. So when they

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00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: knew that Chinese Chinese producers were going to have a

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00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: hit to their sales as a result of tariffs, what

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00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: did they do. They created an immediate slush mound. They

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00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 3: don't need Congress or Christen Cinema or whatever. They created

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00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: an immediate slush fund, and they gave it to producers

1147
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 3: and said here is a way for you to tide over.

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00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 3: Then they forced the amazons of China to say, you guys,

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00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 3: are all going to massively discount made in China into

1150
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: products to make sure that production doesn't die on the

1151
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Speaker 3: Chinese side, and of course they survived by the way. Meantime,

1152
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: they have thousands of bureaucrats intimately studying and these aren't

1153
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: just our bureaucrats. These are people who are actually highly

1154
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 3: educated to the technocratic engineering state, which studies all of

1155
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 3: their critical industries and is looking with a one, a, five,

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00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: a ten year plan and intimately making sure that they

1157
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Speaker 3: have no disruption. That all of this isn't there. And

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00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 3: it's not as if they haven't been planning for this

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Speaker 3: for the last five years because they knew Trump was

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Speaker 3: going to come into office. So just compare that level

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00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: of seriousness to where we are. Of course, it's not

1162
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Speaker 3: going to work. I mean, yeah, if we had a

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00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 3: requisite similar program, we could do it. I have no

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Speaker 3: doubt that we don't have the human capital or the money.

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Speaker 3: Of course we have the money, we have, you know,

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Speaker 3: the political capital. There's so much that we could but

1167
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: not under this, not under this, like yeah, not only

1168
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Speaker 3: in terms of blinking, but it does look like they're

1169
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: going to get everything that they want because it's not

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Speaker 3: just going to be rare with minerals. Trump is caved

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Speaker 3: on TikTok. Trump's caved on I mean, on en video,

1172
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Speaker 3: on the on the on the chips. Like the most

1173
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: hawkish members China hawks of his former first term are

1174
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: freaking out about this. They're writing open letters in the

1175
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times. They're like, this

1176
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 3: is a disaster. It's basically capitulation. That's what Trump is.

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Speaker 3: That's what Trump has chosen. Like the path of independence

1178
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Speaker 3: is gone in my opinion, especially after the tax bill.

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Speaker 1: We had a chance there, but that's it. It's it's over.

1180
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I mean, I didn't I say that in

1181
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: our maybe I said that our last show.

1182
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Speaker 1: You only open up the tax code every five years.

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Speaker 1: Five years from now. Where is China going to be?

1184
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Speaker 5: Right?

1185
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: You know it's done?

1186
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

1187
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And our sequencing is all wrong, Like they're talking

1188
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Speaker 2: now about we're going to take more stakes and companies

1189
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: and designate certain things as like national security risk. We're

1190
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: gonna put price fors in places. It's like you do

1191
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 2: all of that preparation before you launch the Trader four.

1192
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: That's the way that that works. I did look it up.

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Speaker 2: According to Grock, us imports of China. Chinese cooking oil

1194
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 2: account for approximately zero point zero seven percent of China's GDP,

1195
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: So we're really hit, and I'm where it hurts critical

1196
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: critical part of their economy that point seven percent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, It's so crazy. I can't even get over it.

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Speaker 1: I can't even get over it. By the way, do

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Speaker 1: we even want that stuff?

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00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 6: You know?

1201
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: They cook with vegetable oil? I thought this was Maha, right?

1202
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: What happened to mama?

1203
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 4: Okay?

1204
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: This seed oil's galore? Over there again?

1205
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: This is again according to Grock and I have a

1206
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 2: fact checked it outside of Rock, but apparently most of

1207
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: their exports are consist of used cooking oil, a byproduct

1208
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: collected from food services process for export as a biofuel feedstock.

1209
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: So it's not it's not like the stuff you're buying

1210
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 2: in the grocery store.

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00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 4: It's like going to livestock or what.

1212
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 3: It's just going into the fuel or into the livestock

1213
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 3: which we also eat.

1214
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: Right, got it again? What happened to Maha? What happened

1215
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: to that