WEBVTT - Kara Frederick - Will AI Destroy us All? 0:00:11.697 --> 0:00:14.977 You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.977 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:18.017 --> 0:00:19.737 wherever you get your podcasts. 0:00:20.097 --> 0:00:23.217 Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. Kara Frederick 0:00:23.497 --> 0:00:26.417 is with us now. She's formerly of Facebook, currently with 0:00:26.497 --> 0:00:30.217 the Heritage Foundation, where she's Director of Tech Policy. We're 0:00:30.217 --> 0:00:33.137 going to talk to her about AI, about government snooping 0:00:33.377 --> 0:00:36.577 on social media platforms, and all kinds of good stuff 0:00:36.737 --> 0:00:41.097 or bad stuff, but interesting stuff. Kara, welcome, Thanks for 0:00:41.137 --> 0:00:48.497 having me. So let's start with Elon Musk recently spoke 0:00:48.577 --> 0:00:51.857 to Tucker Carlson on Fox Tree saw it, and he said, 0:00:51.897 --> 0:00:57.497 not only was he Elon flabbergasted by how much access 0:00:57.537 --> 0:01:01.617 the government had to the communications and just the general 0:01:01.617 --> 0:01:04.577 stuff going on at the social media platform Twitter, I'm 0:01:04.577 --> 0:01:08.417 sure as true of other places, but that dms were 0:01:08.497 --> 0:01:12.097 easily accessible by the government to What do you think 0:01:12.137 --> 0:01:12.737 of that one? 0:01:13.697 --> 0:01:17.097 Yeah, so this, you know, honestly, it's not surprising. I mean, 0:01:17.177 --> 0:01:21.217 especially given the backgrounds that you and I had there. 0:01:21.297 --> 0:01:23.977 We do know, first and foremost there are legitimate reasons, 0:01:24.057 --> 0:01:26.857 or at least there were legitimate reasons to you know, 0:01:26.897 --> 0:01:29.297 work with some federal entities when it comes to things 0:01:29.337 --> 0:01:31.817 like child sexual abuse material, you know. 0:01:31.937 --> 0:01:33.257 Sniffing out the bad guys. 0:01:33.737 --> 0:01:36.857 I worked on foreign Islamic terrorism when I was working 0:01:36.897 --> 0:01:39.817 for a big tech platform and before, so you know, 0:01:40.217 --> 0:01:43.977 there are times when you want the government that is 0:01:44.177 --> 0:01:48.937 ostensibly there to protect the security of Americans to maybe 0:01:48.937 --> 0:01:52.457 have some sort of access to these internal communications. Unfortunately, 0:01:52.537 --> 0:01:55.657 over the past two to three years, we've seen that 0:01:56.097 --> 0:01:59.977 there's been a abject dereliction of duty when it comes 0:02:00.017 --> 0:02:03.417 to the you know, number one, keeping United citizens safe 0:02:03.457 --> 0:02:09.617 and number two really prioritizing the the security of Americans, 0:02:10.137 --> 0:02:14.377 especially from external hostile forces, and instead looking inward at 0:02:14.377 --> 0:02:19.377 the American populace and inflating the definition of domestic extremists 0:02:19.377 --> 0:02:23.097 and terrorism and whatnot. So, in my mind, the government 0:02:23.217 --> 0:02:27.697 has lost our trust and deservedly so, and they have 0:02:27.857 --> 0:02:31.577 been misprioritizing when they should be looking at real, actual threats. 0:02:31.937 --> 0:02:34.257 Then okay, maybe we can think about. 0:02:34.057 --> 0:02:36.737 Some of these surveillance capabilities, but that's all gone, that's 0:02:36.737 --> 0:02:40.377 been washed away, given especially what Elon exposed in the 0:02:40.417 --> 0:02:45.137 Twitter files, and it is very telling. I think that 0:02:45.657 --> 0:02:48.057 we at the Heritage Foundation, we published a report in 0:02:48.097 --> 0:02:50.737 February of twenty twenty two, and we said there's a 0:02:50.777 --> 0:02:55.497 symbiotic relationship between these big tech companies and the government. 0:02:55.617 --> 0:02:58.977 It goes as far as collusion and any sort of 0:02:59.017 --> 0:03:02.377 collusion between government actors and these big tech companies to 0:03:02.457 --> 0:03:05.217 silence the speech of Americans should be prohibited. And people 0:03:05.257 --> 0:03:07.657 were like, you are, Oh, come on, You're just a 0:03:07.697 --> 0:03:08.297 fear monger. 0:03:08.337 --> 0:03:10.617 What are you doing. But we've been I've proven right. 0:03:10.657 --> 0:03:12.857 So the fact that the government had full access to 0:03:12.937 --> 0:03:15.617 dms and Twitter. Again, we knew Twitter dms a long 0:03:15.657 --> 0:03:18.137 time ago were probably compromised, and this just proves it. 0:03:18.217 --> 0:03:20.777 And frankly, this proves a Heritage Foundation right yet again. 0:03:21.657 --> 0:03:26.457 So you worked at Facebook, I would assume, and tell 0:03:26.537 --> 0:03:30.377 me if it's an incorrect assumption that the very very 0:03:30.897 --> 0:03:35.297 cozy and all too close relationship between Twitter pre Elon 0:03:36.057 --> 0:03:40.257 and the government and as he described it, effectively, it 0:03:40.297 --> 0:03:45.297 was a bloated activist organization Twitter masquerading as a social 0:03:45.337 --> 0:03:48.697 media platform. I have to assume, and you tell me 0:03:48.737 --> 0:03:52.497 if it's not right that the politics of Facebook, Google, 0:03:53.057 --> 0:03:56.937 all the rest are basically the same and perhaps even worse. 0:03:58.257 --> 0:04:01.857 I would say, post twenty sixteen Trump elections, that's when 0:04:01.897 --> 0:04:05.497 everything became exacerbated. So you have you know, a cadre 0:04:05.537 --> 0:04:09.297 of US who went in before that election. I did 0:04:09.297 --> 0:04:13.017 there in twenty six sixteen, early twenty sixteen, and you know, 0:04:13.177 --> 0:04:17.257 we we were there to solve these big problems like 0:04:17.297 --> 0:04:19.977 the foreign as long terrorism issue, and you had really 0:04:20.017 --> 0:04:22.497 talented people, a lot of time patriots. I came right 0:04:22.537 --> 0:04:25.097 out of a naval special warfare command where I had 0:04:25.097 --> 0:04:28.617 been doing counter terrorism analysis as a targeter, and I 0:04:28.697 --> 0:04:32.097 went right into Facebook sort of thinking that, you know, 0:04:32.097 --> 0:04:33.377 we were going to do the same thing. We were 0:04:33.377 --> 0:04:36.857 going to protect Americans and their users from this you know, 0:04:36.897 --> 0:04:39.937 foreign Islamic menace, which was taking the form of ISIS 0:04:39.937 --> 0:04:43.697 at the time. And then I would say in twenty sixteen, 0:04:44.057 --> 0:04:47.497 something really changed and it was Trump's election, and they 0:04:47.617 --> 0:04:50.737 just went hysterical. And the people that they started recruiting 0:04:51.097 --> 0:04:53.297 post election, you know a lot of them went in 0:04:53.537 --> 0:04:57.257 sort of thinking that they had a mandate to stifle 0:04:57.377 --> 0:05:01.497 the conservative voices i'd say in America. You know, prior 0:05:01.537 --> 0:05:06.417 to that, we there were some interesting i would say 0:05:06.497 --> 0:05:08.937 data points when it came to the way that we 0:05:09.017 --> 0:05:12.017 did our analysis, for instance, and this is no secret. 0:05:12.057 --> 0:05:18.337 Now these companies have been using organizations and goos like 0:05:18.417 --> 0:05:22.617 the Southern Poverty Law Center to actually help them formulate 0:05:22.657 --> 0:05:26.217 their policies and help them formulate the way that they 0:05:26.457 --> 0:05:30.297 treated specific actors on these platforms, and they thought nothing 0:05:30.337 --> 0:05:33.337 of it. They thought, Okay, SBLC is an honest broker. 0:05:33.977 --> 0:05:36.057 So I think that part of it is ignorance. Part 0:05:36.057 --> 0:05:37.657 of it is, you know, the sea that they swim 0:05:37.697 --> 0:05:40.017 in in the Bay Area, and then the other part 0:05:40.057 --> 0:05:42.897 of it is the twenty sixteen election just really unhinging 0:05:42.937 --> 0:05:49.137 people and making them really come in with mission oriented 0:05:49.257 --> 0:05:53.177 to sort of stifle the voices of the people that 0:05:53.217 --> 0:05:54.097 they disagreed with. 0:05:55.377 --> 0:05:57.777 Is it fixable at these places? Like how would you 0:05:57.857 --> 0:06:02.417 actually if you were able to get you know, Zuckerberg 0:06:02.697 --> 0:06:05.937 and his top lieutenants in a room and they were 0:06:05.937 --> 0:06:08.017 willing to listen to reason. I mean, you know, I 0:06:08.057 --> 0:06:10.777 think Facebook has just turned I'm a man that there's 0:06:10.777 --> 0:06:13.017 still apparently as many people using it in America as 0:06:13.057 --> 0:06:16.497 there are. I find it to be like an unwieldy 0:06:16.537 --> 0:06:18.737 trash heap of nonsense, Like it's really hard to even 0:06:18.737 --> 0:06:21.577 figure out where anything is anymore. They've it all looks 0:06:21.697 --> 0:06:26.057 like it was made by a bunch of you know, 0:06:26.737 --> 0:06:28.817 computer engineers. And I don't mean that in a good way, 0:06:29.417 --> 0:06:31.657 Like it looks like it's just this kind of cobbled 0:06:31.697 --> 0:06:35.177 together thing and all of the original just the ease, 0:06:35.417 --> 0:06:37.737 and it's just they're throwing all this. I think it's 0:06:37.737 --> 0:06:40.577 turned into a bad user user experience and user interface. 0:06:40.617 --> 0:06:43.137 But anyway, forget about fixing that for a second. If 0:06:43.137 --> 0:06:45.697 you were just trying to fix the fact that Facebook 0:06:45.737 --> 0:06:48.737 is not fair to half of the country politically, is 0:06:48.777 --> 0:06:50.577 it possible or do we just have to build our 0:06:50.617 --> 0:06:52.177 own build our own thing. By the way, build your 0:06:52.177 --> 0:06:54.177 own Facebook doesn't sound as crazy. Maybe it's buy your 0:06:54.217 --> 0:06:56.697 own Facebook that's more expensive than Twitter. Not to call 0:06:56.737 --> 0:06:58.377 elon on that one. 0:06:59.017 --> 0:07:01.577 Yeah, you know, I will say personally, and when I 0:07:01.617 --> 0:07:04.097 was in the company, I thought Mark Zuckerberg's instincts were 0:07:04.817 --> 0:07:09.497 more libertarian than you know, more leftists. So and that 0:07:09.617 --> 0:07:12.857 is sort of the old guard of the builders. 0:07:12.337 --> 0:07:13.297 In Silicon Valley. 0:07:13.337 --> 0:07:15.777 You know, these are engineers, and they think like engineers, 0:07:15.817 --> 0:07:18.497 they think like programmers. They want to solve problems and 0:07:18.537 --> 0:07:22.137 fix things. Unfortunately, I do think that he's he's been 0:07:22.177 --> 0:07:24.817 there for so long and he's been frankly led astray 0:07:24.937 --> 0:07:27.337 by others in the C suite and that other sort 0:07:27.337 --> 0:07:30.377 of layer of upper management as well, who are very 0:07:30.377 --> 0:07:34.297 concerned with pr fires. And clearly we know that public 0:07:34.337 --> 0:07:37.097 relations only goes one way, and that's against Conservatives at 0:07:37.097 --> 0:07:39.817 this point. So you look at that and sort of 0:07:39.817 --> 0:07:42.017 see how he's been co opted when his instincts were 0:07:42.337 --> 0:07:45.657 maybe initially good. I remember a speech that he gave 0:07:45.777 --> 0:07:48.857 in October of twenty nineteen at Georgetown University where he 0:07:48.937 --> 0:07:51.777 said Facebook had to be the alternative to an authoritarian 0:07:51.897 --> 0:07:55.217 China which was propagating its digital platforms here in the US. 0:07:55.457 --> 0:07:57.777 You know what happened to that that that gave me 0:07:57.777 --> 0:08:01.497 a little bit of hope. But since he since spent 0:08:01.617 --> 0:08:08.897 four hundred million dollars pushing certain Democrats in elections under 0:08:08.937 --> 0:08:11.457 the auspices of these out the vote measures, but we 0:08:11.537 --> 0:08:15.457 know that they were in blue states going to Democrat 0:08:16.217 --> 0:08:19.537 activist organizations who were then pushing only getting out the 0:08:19.577 --> 0:08:23.297 vote for Democrats. So unfortunately, I think those instincts that 0:08:23.417 --> 0:08:26.697 he previously had have been quashed, and I don't think 0:08:26.737 --> 0:08:28.777 there's any coming back from it. I do think it 0:08:28.857 --> 0:08:30.217 is too far gone at this point. 0:08:31.097 --> 0:08:33.057 Let's come back in a second, and talk about TikTok. 0:08:33.497 --> 0:08:36.137 Since you mentioned communist China, we'll get into that in 0:08:36.217 --> 0:08:39.257 just a second here. 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Let's just look at TikTok. And I 0:10:06.017 --> 0:10:10.457 won't do the you know, the what about with YouTube, Google, 0:10:10.457 --> 0:10:14.697 Facebook or Instagram all that stuff, although I could. How 0:10:14.737 --> 0:10:17.137 bad is TikTok really? How big a problem is it? 0:10:18.257 --> 0:10:18.497 Yeah? 0:10:18.497 --> 0:10:24.017 I think TikTok falls into three problem buckets. I would say, 0:10:24.457 --> 0:10:26.657 and The first and foremost is the most obvious one. 0:10:26.697 --> 0:10:30.057 It's that Byte Dances its parents parent company. It is 0:10:30.097 --> 0:10:33.937 headquartered in Beijing and therefore subject to the laws and 0:10:33.977 --> 0:10:36.897 policies of the People's Republic of China. One of the 0:10:37.337 --> 0:10:39.457 laws that we like to talk about is the twenty 0:10:39.497 --> 0:10:44.417 seventeen National Intelligence Law, which effectively compels private companies to 0:10:44.537 --> 0:10:47.257 do the work of the state. So if the Chinese state, 0:10:47.297 --> 0:10:50.737 the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, decides that they want 0:10:50.737 --> 0:10:53.457 specific data, they want access to this, they want access 0:10:53.497 --> 0:10:56.537 to that, then by virtue of this law, Byte Dance 0:10:56.617 --> 0:11:00.937 has to comply. And this is not my original phrasing, 0:11:00.977 --> 0:11:04.977 but I think it illustrates the problem pretty well. China 0:11:05.257 --> 0:11:08.777 doesn't have rule of law, they have rule by law. 0:11:09.697 --> 0:11:11.937 This if this is something if you're you know, the 0:11:11.937 --> 0:11:15.097 Bite Dance CEO, you're kind of powerless to resist at 0:11:15.137 --> 0:11:17.057 this point, and why would you. When you look at 0:11:17.057 --> 0:11:20.537 Byte Dance, they have one of three of their board 0:11:20.537 --> 0:11:23.497 members of the main domestic subsidiary of Byte Dance is 0:11:23.537 --> 0:11:28.777 a card carrying Chinese Communist government official. If you look 0:11:28.817 --> 0:11:31.177 at like some of the good reporting that Forbes has done, 0:11:31.217 --> 0:11:35.497 they scoured LinkedIn and found that three hundred plus profiles 0:11:35.697 --> 0:11:39.177 had either current or former links of these current byte 0:11:39.217 --> 0:11:43.177 Dance employees to a Chinese propaganda arm, to Chinese state media. 0:11:43.457 --> 0:11:46.537 So you have active and former members of the Chinese 0:11:46.537 --> 0:11:51.697 Communist Party, particularly in the information realm, working in byte Dance. 0:11:51.857 --> 0:11:54.777 And there's so many other data points that I could 0:11:54.817 --> 0:11:57.457 talk about, but that's the first one. Byte Dance very 0:11:57.457 --> 0:12:00.617 close links and infiltration frankly by the CCP. They have 0:12:00.657 --> 0:12:03.817 an internal committee, a DOJ report in September twenty twenty 0:12:03.817 --> 0:12:06.657 coming out of the Trump administration assessed as much, and 0:12:06.697 --> 0:12:08.777 we know that they are deeply involved in the inner 0:12:08.817 --> 0:12:10.537 workings of TikTok as well. 0:12:10.817 --> 0:12:14.577 So that's one thing, and again just tip of the iceberg. 0:12:14.617 --> 0:12:18.137 We can go into just really how odious some of 0:12:18.137 --> 0:12:20.617 those connections are when it comes to the connection with 0:12:20.697 --> 0:12:23.977 American data as well, but I'll table that for now. 0:12:24.257 --> 0:12:27.857 And then number two there's that influence campaign aspect, and 0:12:29.137 --> 0:12:33.217 you know, we talk about the manipulation of the information environment. 0:12:33.537 --> 0:12:35.657 This is something that we were dealing with in the 0:12:35.737 --> 0:12:39.737 intelligence community and especially in big tech companies and looking 0:12:39.817 --> 0:12:43.777 at it now and what we've seen is pro CCP 0:12:43.977 --> 0:12:50.617 narratives pushed on these platforms. We've seen an actual Chinese 0:12:50.657 --> 0:12:54.417 state account come to TikTok and say, how can we 0:12:54.537 --> 0:12:57.657 push our information? And we've seen information from those accounts 0:12:57.697 --> 0:12:59.937 pushed and not labeled as state media as well. So 0:13:00.337 --> 0:13:03.777 we know that they're trying to do the proverbial sowing 0:13:03.817 --> 0:13:08.257 of discord, such as promoting Democratic candidates in the twenty 0:13:08.297 --> 0:13:11.737 twenty two midterm election to the detriment of Republican candidates. 0:13:11.817 --> 0:13:14.977 They're trying to push stories about abortion and incendiary things 0:13:15.017 --> 0:13:19.017 to help so descent among the American populations, something everyone 0:13:19.017 --> 0:13:20.097 always accused sort. 0:13:19.937 --> 0:13:21.017 Of the Russians of doing. 0:13:21.497 --> 0:13:24.617 So that's another aspect of that information environment manipulation. 0:13:25.017 --> 0:13:27.417 And then third, you have the kids. You know what 0:13:27.497 --> 0:13:28.497 it's doing to children. 0:13:28.657 --> 0:13:31.577 And we know that TikTok, in particular with the four 0:13:31.697 --> 0:13:33.297 U algorithm, just lights a. 0:13:33.497 --> 0:13:35.537 Fire under these social contagions. 0:13:35.937 --> 0:13:38.857 We know that they're in bed with the transgender lobby, 0:13:39.057 --> 0:13:46.097 featuring you know, prominent transgender activists, prominent LGBTQ activists all 0:13:46.137 --> 0:13:50.377 over their websites raising awareness. They're very very open about 0:13:50.417 --> 0:13:55.137 doing this, and there are pediatric hospitals that are reporting 0:13:55.497 --> 0:14:00.937 actual physical manifestations coming out in patients because they use 0:14:01.017 --> 0:14:04.977 TikTok like things called TikTok tics, which most researchers are 0:14:04.977 --> 0:14:09.697 classifying as you know, pure social contagion movements. So you know, 0:14:10.177 --> 0:14:12.577 and this is again something that TikTok is very very 0:14:12.617 --> 0:14:18.177 efficient at that it doesn't necessarily distinguish it wholesale from 0:14:18.257 --> 0:14:19.857 the instagrams of the world. If you want to talk 0:14:19.897 --> 0:14:21.897 about what about is them. We know their staffs on 0:14:21.937 --> 0:14:25.657 that in terms of mental health harms. But TikTok is poised, 0:14:25.817 --> 0:14:29.057 especially because, as Christopher Ray says, directory of the FBI 0:14:29.737 --> 0:14:33.617 China controls the algorithm. That's even more problematic when they're 0:14:33.657 --> 0:14:35.537 feeding our kids this poison. 0:14:36.937 --> 0:14:41.657 But how much of the algorithm is the kids click 0:14:41.737 --> 0:14:44.097 on the things they click on and then it's reflected 0:14:44.137 --> 0:14:46.657 back to them, right, Like you know, I asked this 0:14:46.777 --> 0:14:51.217 because remember Russia, remember Russia collusion. Back in twenty sixteen, 0:14:51.297 --> 0:14:56.257 they're saying, oh, Hillary Clinton lost because Trump worked with Russia. 0:14:56.297 --> 0:14:58.217 And then they talked about the Facebook ads. I think 0:14:58.257 --> 0:15:00.217 there was like one hundred thousand dollars that were spent 0:15:00.257 --> 0:15:03.417 on these bogus you know, or Russian backed or whatever 0:15:03.457 --> 0:15:06.017 Facebook ads. And when you look at the ads, I 0:15:06.057 --> 0:15:07.777 mean a lot of them were ridiculous. I mean it 0:15:07.857 --> 0:15:11.257 looked like a guy named Yuri, you know know, working 0:15:11.297 --> 0:15:14.577 in like sub basement c of some you know fsb 0:15:14.817 --> 0:15:17.577 outpost you know, on the on the in the outer 0:15:17.657 --> 0:15:20.777 ring of Moscow was like looking at a you know, 0:15:20.777 --> 0:15:25.457 a little dictionary in English. I mean it was preposterous, right, 0:15:25.497 --> 0:15:28.737 I mean their understanding of US politics beyond lock her 0:15:28.817 --> 0:15:31.177 up for Hillary Clinton, which you know they got that right, 0:15:31.497 --> 0:15:34.977 but their understanding was very weak. I mean the idea 0:15:35.057 --> 0:15:38.097 that that I just hear all these people saying, oh 0:15:38.137 --> 0:15:41.177 my gosh, you know, the Chinese are going to brainwash 0:15:41.217 --> 0:15:43.697 our kids and make them lazy or whatever. I look 0:15:43.737 --> 0:15:47.017 at them, like, what do you guys think Disney's door. 0:15:47.257 --> 0:15:49.737 I just this is the part of it that there's 0:15:49.777 --> 0:15:51.817 so much more upset about what's going on with the 0:15:52.017 --> 0:15:54.377 I understand the spying thing, and like if they can 0:15:54.417 --> 0:15:56.417 suck up your information and do create that that's a 0:15:56.457 --> 0:15:59.577 separate issue, but it sounds to me like there's also 0:15:59.737 --> 0:16:03.337 just a content component of this, and I I don't 0:16:03.377 --> 0:16:05.417 under I just feel like I feel like TikTok is 0:16:05.417 --> 0:16:08.097 the shiny object where people in politics and in power 0:16:08.577 --> 0:16:11.017 get to pretend that they're doing something that's like, oh, 0:16:11.057 --> 0:16:14.497 we're protecting the kids from the bad influences online. They're 0:16:14.537 --> 0:16:20.297 protecting them from one of dozens of major and endless 0:16:20.617 --> 0:16:24.577 minor influences online that are all being pushed by the 0:16:24.617 --> 0:16:29.537 Democrat Party anyway, like transgenderism. Beijing's not pushing transgenderism via 0:16:29.577 --> 0:16:34.257 TikTok on kids. The Democrat Disney is pushing transgenderism on kids. 0:16:35.097 --> 0:16:37.777 Well, number one, you know, you're right, But number two, 0:16:37.777 --> 0:16:40.537 we also don't know that Beijing isn't pushing this stuff, 0:16:40.577 --> 0:16:42.577 and that's you know, part of the problem too. If 0:16:42.657 --> 0:16:45.777 China is so intimately involved in the algorithm, which it 0:16:45.857 --> 0:16:48.737 says it won't. If there's a forced investiture to an 0:16:48.737 --> 0:16:51.417 American company of TikTok, it said, there's no way we're 0:16:51.417 --> 0:16:54.697 giving up the algorithm. So in my mind, that means, yeah, 0:16:54.697 --> 0:16:56.537 they want to retain control of it. There's a commercial 0:16:56.577 --> 0:16:59.537 element to it because it is really good, but there's 0:16:59.577 --> 0:17:03.817 also that information environment of manipulation potential there because they 0:17:04.297 --> 0:17:06.217 want to keep it in Chinese hands so badly, and 0:17:06.257 --> 0:17:09.017 they've said as much, which flies in the face of 0:17:09.057 --> 0:17:11.777 a lot of the assurances that these TikTok executives are 0:17:11.897 --> 0:17:16.897 providing to Congress members with their you know, Project Texas potential, 0:17:17.097 --> 0:17:20.017 you know, mollification of our representatives. 0:17:20.457 --> 0:17:23.257 But so I also I do want to address that. 0:17:23.297 --> 0:17:27.937 I think that when you have over sixty seven percent 0:17:28.057 --> 0:17:31.817 of American teenagers as of last year on a particular platform, 0:17:32.137 --> 0:17:34.457 and you have thirty percent, according to a pupil in 0:17:34.497 --> 0:17:38.297 twenty twenty of preteens nine to eleven year olds on 0:17:38.417 --> 0:17:41.257 a specific platform, and we have new data coming out 0:17:41.257 --> 0:17:44.577 of the UK saying a decent percentage of toddlers are 0:17:44.617 --> 0:17:46.617 now exposed to this content, then you. 0:17:46.657 --> 0:17:47.377 Have a problem. 0:17:47.417 --> 0:17:50.497 Then you have a the fact that you know, number one, 0:17:50.577 --> 0:17:52.857 all of these children are on it to a much 0:17:52.897 --> 0:17:55.337 greater degree than you know, Facebook, as you talked about, 0:17:55.417 --> 0:17:58.977 is hemorrhaging users, especially in this demographic Instagram as hemorrhaging 0:17:59.057 --> 0:18:02.937 users as well. Then then that becomes a source of information, 0:18:03.097 --> 0:18:05.337 and we know that they're getting it for their news 0:18:05.377 --> 0:18:08.297 now as well. They're not just looking at those cute videos. 0:18:08.297 --> 0:18:11.697 They're they're getting it to be informed about the world. 0:18:13.097 --> 0:18:15.497 Top Google executives said as much as well. In a 0:18:15.537 --> 0:18:19.137 tech conference. He said, when people young kids want their news, 0:18:19.137 --> 0:18:22.057 they go to TikTok and Google is very much aware 0:18:22.097 --> 0:18:24.657 of that, and you know, keeping their antenna up. And 0:18:24.657 --> 0:18:26.817 then you have American adults, so looking at the kid 0:18:26.857 --> 0:18:29.337 stuff that matters a lot, but American adults as well. 0:18:29.417 --> 0:18:32.657 So you know, in two years the amount of American 0:18:32.697 --> 0:18:36.577 adults that get their news from TikTok has tripled. That's problematic, 0:18:36.617 --> 0:18:39.617 I think from a civic perspective. I see you want 0:18:39.617 --> 0:18:41.217 to say something, but I want to say one more 0:18:41.257 --> 0:18:42.457 thing before I let you talk. 0:18:47.097 --> 0:18:48.697 I'm standing in the way of the train. By all means, 0:18:48.737 --> 0:18:51.017 go ahead, Sorry you were saying yeah. 0:18:52.977 --> 0:18:55.497 So I think the last thing is a number of 0:18:55.657 --> 0:18:59.577 enterprising journalists have taken it upon themselves to create their 0:18:59.617 --> 0:19:02.097 own TikTok accounts. And what they do is they register 0:19:02.257 --> 0:19:05.817 as users from around thirteen to fourteen, and they have found, 0:19:05.817 --> 0:19:09.737 to a man, within minutes, they are fed content that 0:19:09.857 --> 0:19:14.897 is composed of self harm content, suicidal content, eating disorder content, 0:19:14.977 --> 0:19:18.137 especially if they're registering as girls versus registering as boys. 0:19:18.377 --> 0:19:22.257 So we do know that there is something that isn't 0:19:22.337 --> 0:19:24.737 just responsive to shall we say. 0:19:24.577 --> 0:19:26.097 What the children want? 0:19:26.817 --> 0:19:29.617 Granted, the TikTok algorithm is based off your engagement, not 0:19:29.657 --> 0:19:32.217 necessarily your network, So how long your eyes linger over 0:19:32.257 --> 0:19:35.257 a specific video if you're interested in depression, Yes, it's 0:19:35.257 --> 0:19:38.537 more likely to feed you self harm content and suicidal content. 0:19:38.617 --> 0:19:41.697 But this appears to be pretty uniform across the board 0:19:42.297 --> 0:19:45.457 for a lot of these journalists experimenting anyway. So there's 0:19:45.497 --> 0:19:50.817 something in TikTok that is particularly I would say nefarious 0:19:50.897 --> 0:19:53.657 when it comes to our children and the noxious content 0:19:53.657 --> 0:19:54.377 they're being fed. 0:19:54.977 --> 0:19:56.657 I mean, do you ever go on TikTok because I 0:19:56.657 --> 0:20:02.177 gotta say, some of those shuffle dance moves very catchy. 0:20:02.497 --> 0:20:02.737 Fuck. 0:20:03.057 --> 0:20:05.657 No, I am not going on TikTok, nor will I 0:20:05.697 --> 0:20:08.177 ever go on Tiktokay. 0:20:08.137 --> 0:20:10.257 This is where I get to point it out all 0:20:10.257 --> 0:20:13.777 the other people in America, usually especially the Democrats, but 0:20:13.817 --> 0:20:15.577 I get to call them comedies and have fun with it. 0:20:15.777 --> 0:20:17.737 Apparently on this one, I've got like a soft spot 0:20:17.737 --> 0:20:20.417 for communist China. So I'm like, I think TikTok is 0:20:20.457 --> 0:20:23.177 super entertaining. I gotta tell you it's all for me. 0:20:23.737 --> 0:20:27.617 It's yeah, it's it's how to how to sear like 0:20:27.697 --> 0:20:30.577 the perfect steak and different red meat. I follow this 0:20:30.737 --> 0:20:34.177 like Max the meat guy who makes like Wagu and 0:20:34.257 --> 0:20:37.137 briskets and all these things. Uh, guys who know how 0:20:37.137 --> 0:20:40.657 to make like tomahawks out of the stuff you find 0:20:40.657 --> 0:20:43.017 in your backyard like this is and of course cute 0:20:43.057 --> 0:20:46.057 pulldog videos like like, I was like, what is this? 0:20:46.377 --> 0:20:51.897 How is this supposedly in some way doing anything that 0:20:52.097 --> 0:20:54.577 is uh, you know, going to damage me? But then again, 0:20:54.617 --> 0:20:56.857 I'm an adult and things are different, and you know 0:20:57.457 --> 0:21:01.057 that can be a little bit of a challenge. And yeah, 0:21:01.137 --> 0:21:03.537 so I got to get to the Oxford Gold Group 0:21:03.577 --> 0:21:05.977 here for a second, and we come back. We're going 0:21:06.057 --> 0:21:09.577 to talk about AI because I think its kra Frederick 0:21:09.617 --> 0:21:12.937 has to plane whether or not Skynet is going to 0:21:12.977 --> 0:21:15.977 become self aware and cause the nuclear war that James 0:21:16.057 --> 0:21:19.577 Cameron warned us about in Terminator one and two and 0:21:19.617 --> 0:21:21.097 probably the other ones, but no one saw the other 0:21:21.097 --> 0:21:24.057 ones because the other Terminator movie sucked, So you know, 0:21:24.497 --> 0:21:26.097 there was a she knows it's true. There was a 0:21:26.137 --> 0:21:29.537 recent banking collapse, the nation's largest collapse of a financial 0:21:29.537 --> 0:21:32.377 institution since two thousand and eight. So stuff can go 0:21:32.417 --> 0:21:35.737 bad real fast, you know this, And Fiat currency is 0:21:35.777 --> 0:21:39.257 pretty imperfect because it's a situation. Now we have inflation. 0:21:39.337 --> 0:21:42.017 We also have thirty two trillion dollars a debt. How 0:21:42.017 --> 0:21:46.337 about using gold and silver as a protection for your portfolio. 0:21:46.377 --> 0:21:48.297