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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm belcome to Stephane

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Speaker 1: never told your protection of iHeart Radio, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: today's episode, which is again featured by me and my

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Speaker 1: moment in life. Okay, and so therefore I'm going to

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Speaker 1: reflect with y'all because I've had some thoughts in my head. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh, if you've been around, you know that I've

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Speaker 1: been uh needing to do something. I think I was like,

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Speaker 1: I need some big change. Well, I've actually been looking

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Speaker 1: at purchasing a home recently, and not just because I'm

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Speaker 1: having a midlife crisis or a crisis at all, but

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Speaker 1: actually for living reasons, because you know, rent is bad,

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Speaker 1: It's Atlanta, everything is skyrocketing, and we're trying to make

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Speaker 1: life choices that are smart. Yeah, but damn capitalism sucks. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: just saying just saying, um, and y'all, it's a whole endeavor.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you have already passed this threshold

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Speaker 1: of trying to buy a house. I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: called adult ing. I'm not good at it. I think

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Speaker 1: I tweeted recently about the fact that I actually had

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Speaker 1: an anxiety attack after having a real conversation with a

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Speaker 1: professional about purchasing a home. Still thinking about it makes

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Speaker 1: my heart flutter a bit, and there's so much to do,

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Speaker 1: and to be honest, part of that, this is like

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Speaker 1: what if you know, scenarios like trying to create the

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Speaker 1: best case scenario for myself, not going in too much,

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Speaker 1: that not going overboard, finding something that I love. All

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Speaker 1: of these things and one of the things I've been

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Speaker 1: trying to plot any I know you're very well aware,

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Speaker 1: it's trying to have all my ladies in an area

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Speaker 1: with me, because that's something that I've been thinking about

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Speaker 1: a lot. In college, I had this and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you did. Of course, we had roommates, but

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Speaker 1: we had a little section where all of our little

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Speaker 1: friends were close to each other. It wasn't just ladies,

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Speaker 1: but just like we were all close to each other

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Speaker 1: and there was something to it. And I loved being

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Speaker 1: able to like relying on each other if we needed company,

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Speaker 1: was there, If not, we could go our separate ways.

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Speaker 1: You know all of that, And again, you know, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what would it look like if we try to make

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Speaker 1: a community of our own. Yes, I may or may

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Speaker 1: not have been sending any houses to look at and say,

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Speaker 1: would you live in this with me? It's definitely you

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Speaker 1: did do that, absolutely that you did. So I do

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Speaker 1: have a partner that we will be moving in together officially,

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Speaker 1: but I was like, any if we got a basement apartment,

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Speaker 1: would you come and hang with us? And I've seriously

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Speaker 1: been sending her pictures like, look at this could be

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Speaker 1: your place. It's true, that's true, And I'm like, how

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Speaker 1: much Star Wars decor can I get away with all

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Speaker 1: of It's your spot, It's your spot. And to be honest, like,

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Speaker 1: it's been a thing that we've talked about a lot,

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Speaker 1: Caroline from a Lady Legends previously, from stuff mom I

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Speaker 1: never told you and I have been talking about it

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Speaker 1: for a while. We're like, man, it would just be

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Speaker 1: nice to be close to each other but separate from

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Speaker 1: each other, wouldn't it. Yes, Yes, yes, Especially during the

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Speaker 1: quarantine when we were self locked down because Atlanta wasn't

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Speaker 1: right again. So this made us start wondering could it

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Speaker 1: be possible to create our own communities and we know

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Speaker 1: there are some and we're gonna talk more about it,

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Speaker 1: but before we start, Annie, if you could create your

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Speaker 1: own community, what would it look like. I so, as

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Speaker 1: you said, we've talked about this a lot before. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about it on the podcasts, and several listeners have

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Speaker 1: that they've thought about it too, and they gave like

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Speaker 1: I want a garden. I want like a functioning, beautiful

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Speaker 1: Would like nice weather. Um. I like seasons, but like

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Speaker 1: I thought about having like a planetarium situation, but I

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Speaker 1: agree upon all those like logistics that I really didn't

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Speaker 1: get into in this like soft focus, beautiful idealized version.

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Speaker 1: But there would have to be like some type of

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Speaker 1: not far off because a lot of those conversations have happened,

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Speaker 1: uh in that same thing, and the whole like being

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Speaker 1: in the open and seeing stars, that's actually a part

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Speaker 1: I do think of our my space would have to

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Speaker 1: be individual kitchens because you have a lot of contention

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be a big deal, right, So my head, my commune. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no shame in bringing that in. Yes, of course

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Speaker 1: all of my episodes on repair for my trauma WiFi important, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and also we would have therapist on hand. That was

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Speaker 1: do therapy, whether it's once a month check in how

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Speaker 1: If you want family, wonderful, we'll have that worked out.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we should create our own schools because

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Speaker 1: I don't love what's happening in schools, especially in the

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Speaker 1: and therapists. So just saying, just saying, maybe bringing my

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Speaker 1: What's happening here? Right? So, according to the site, because

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Speaker 1: it exists, quote, Alipine is home to a diverse group

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Speaker 1: of women w M y N who celebrate many spiritual pasts,

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Speaker 1: pursue a variety of outdoor activities, and enjoy vegetarian and

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Speaker 1: guten free to omnivorious diets. Residents are full time, part time,

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Speaker 1: or seasonal. Uh there are some non resident lot owners.

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Speaker 1: Dogs and cats are welcome, with some restrictions. We currently

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Speaker 1: range in ages from fifties to eighties, but welcome women

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Speaker 1: of all ages. And by the way, because we talked

436
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Speaker 1: about this earlier and I thought it's important, high speed

437
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: internet allow some members to work from home. Many are retired.

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Speaker 1: We are within an hour of several large cities, so

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00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: the whole life it's still updated. So they exist. You

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Speaker 1: can look at their site. Alipine dot org is a

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Speaker 1: l A p I in e dot org. And if

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00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: I'm saying that wrong, I apologize. I don't know A

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Speaker 1: probably they have rooms for rents in the village. We

444
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: might have to check this place out. By the way,

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00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: it is right there research right there in Alabama, UM

446
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: and they were featured in one of the articles that

447
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: talk about women led organizations or women led villages around

448
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: the world and what they say of this community in

449
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: one hundred acres of rural northeastern Alabama land since Alipine

450
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: and all female community born out of the nineteen seventies

451
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: lesbian separatist movement, and it continues to survive in Bible

452
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Speaker 1: Belt America. Alipine only numbers a dozen or so members

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Speaker 1: these days. But what the women have created here is

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Speaker 1: not unique, and I am surprised. Maybe it's because we

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Speaker 1: don't know about it. We haven't looked into it. They're

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Speaker 1: apparently around a hundred lesbian communities, uh like Alipine around

457
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Speaker 1: North America. Again, it's called Women's Land. I think we've

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Speaker 1: talked about that previously and it just co opts for women,

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Speaker 1: farm and and the women are the ones who tended

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Speaker 1: as well as lead it. So it is an interesting

461
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Speaker 1: thing to see again. Any I think you and I

462
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: may need to go check the spot out. And yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: there's several around the country and that we talked about.

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Speaker 1: I know there's several I think in Australia um that

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Speaker 1: still exists. There's a lot. I know we haven't dug

466
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: into it, but it is still kind of what we

467
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: talked about. How it has died out and may have

468
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: everything to do with the intersectional feminism that has existed today. UM.

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Speaker 1: One of the big conversations that happened in the fragmenting

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Speaker 1: of several of these places are the exclusions of trans women.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen that in festivals. We've talked about this before.

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Speaker 1: I know there's one home named after Susan B. Anthony.

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Speaker 1: That's a whole different conversation in itself, which would do

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Speaker 1: did not allow for trans communities to be a part

475
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Speaker 1: of this area, and then that kind of grew into

476
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: trans communities building their own communities, which I love the idea,

477
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: which is a lot more welcoming and loving. There's a

478
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Speaker 1: whole other conversation about what what about non binary who?

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Speaker 1: How do we include them? What does that look like

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Speaker 1: and how or do we make sure that that we

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Speaker 1: are providing a safe space for everyone, um and including

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Speaker 1: the non binary, but at the same time trying to

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00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: word it correctly. I guess for each area, and I

484
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: know that was a big part of conversations. Again after

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Speaker 1: a second way feminism, we know there was a lot

486
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: of backlash and so this this is part of the

487
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: reason why they say these communities may be dying out.

488
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: UM again, lesbian only where they did ban all men,

489
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Speaker 1: which I don't hate. I don't hate. It was controversial

490
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: for a little while again that turf talk walked into

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Speaker 1: this as well when we looked at how inclusive some

492
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Speaker 1: of these communities were. We're not. There's a there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of politics, unfortunately in an area that didn't

494
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Speaker 1: want a lot of politics. Just to put in here,

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Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people, when you hear

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Speaker 1: the word commune, which we've been using community a lot,

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00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: but when when you think of like the word commune,

498
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: you associate, if you're like me, you associate with cult

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Speaker 1: or that at least there is the danger of that happening.

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Speaker 1: And I happen to know two men who have talked

501
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: to me about wanting to join a cult. Not I

502
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: see I did it. I did it. I wanted to

503
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Speaker 1: join a commune um and I my immediate, clearly reaction was,

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00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: are you sure that's not a cult? M which I

505
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: as we've said, I love this idea, but there is

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Speaker 1: I think a part of it is like propaganda media.

507
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: We've seen I watched a million horror movies. It is

508
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Speaker 1: sort of like living outside of the patriarchal system. So

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Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of that, like paintbrush

510
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: over it, and I guess it's been it's been very successful.

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00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: And that's not to say there isn't a danger because

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Speaker 1: if you have like a very when they say cult

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00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: to personality, like somebody who can be very persuasive and

514
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: lead these things. And I don't know, because we also

515
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: talked about that when we did women in Cults where

516
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: that we have it's a very fine line between what

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Speaker 1: you're demonizing as a cult versus what is just living

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Speaker 1: outside of the societal norms you're used to, especially like

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00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: Western Christian patriarchal societal norms for us in specific. But

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00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting part of this too, is that, um,

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00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, these politics, as you say, have come into

522
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: them and to what we want to be these like

523
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, beautiful kind of free you can finally be

524
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: yourself and be free, and we can live in harmony spaces.

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00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: But there's also that kind of like outside, like what's

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Speaker 1: it going on here? Right? Right? You know? With all

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Speaker 1: of that, there's this level of conversation. Yes, they were

528
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Speaker 1: not only seen as communist, but because it was women ran,

529
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: they were also seen as hippies, which for the longest

530
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: time had a negative connotation to it, and it still does.

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Speaker 1: It still does, like people use that as jokes, Oh

532
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: you are you a hippie? Now are you a hippie? Now? Um?

533
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: Are you like Petuli? All these things really ridiculous assumptions

534
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: with being a hippie, and some of these organizations have

535
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: fallen out of favor because of those labels and titles,

536
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: as well as the fact that for some reason, I

537
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: think maybe the last three years has changed this, but

538
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: for a while, they're like, we don't need feminism as much,

539
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: that whole level of like we're good now, women have right,

540
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? We're just like you no, no, um.

541
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Speaker 1: And maybe it's according to what part of social media

542
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: you're on, what part of the movies, or what part

543
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: of you know, gaming industry are in, But you realize

544
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: very quickly, no, it's not gone. And this is why

545
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: people are asking for a safe space, a place to

546
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: be able to grow with each other. And on top

547
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: of that, I think a lot of again we've talked

548
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: about this before as as an introductory to you and

549
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: I about mentorship. We don't have a lot of women

550
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: that we look up to today because we have grown

551
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: up in a different era where than our parents, than

552
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: our aunts. Who Again, my mother wanted to be a

553
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: mother at fourteen, she was ready, like that was her goal,

554
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: like not gold, but that was her happiness. And she

555
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: she loves being a mother, She loves being the wife,

556
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: She loves having her family that defined her that was

557
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: never me. And trying to figure out who do I

558
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: look up to, who do I talk to, who do

559
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: I seek? Uh? And again also being a person of color,

560
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: all different things. I'm like, I don't want to look

561
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: up to white women. I'm sorry white women, y'all are amazing,

562
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, Like there's this level

563
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: like they don't understand the hardships and I need to

564
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: know how to navigate my life. And for the most part,

565
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: like my friends, books and and people that I have trusted,

566
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: whether it's teachers or people that I've read through, they

567
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: have been those people. But that was kind of the

568
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: attraction of some of these communes slash communities was to

569
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Speaker 1: have mentorship level, as in fact, one such place was

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Speaker 1: called the Huntington's Open Women's Land, which is in Vermont,

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Speaker 1: And as in fact, they were featured in two articles

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Speaker 1: as they were kind of uh, I don't know dying

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00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: out but had less and less people. I think these

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00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: both of these articles came in twenty nineteen. Maybe there

575
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: was a plug that happened for them trying to create

576
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: uh an open environment, but their their intention was to

577
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: bring younger women into this land and to mentor to

578
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: shape young women, um, and to prepare them for the

579
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: world that is so centered around misogynistic ideals, and we

580
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: kind of lost that And I'm kind of sad about that.

581
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: I really wish, because I will say, there's something to

582
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: being able to be with a group of women and

583
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: to bond mm hmm. Yeah, absolutely, there's something kind of liberating,

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Speaker 1: especially if it's a group of women that is in

585
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: your like same kind of mindsets and you don't you

586
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: feel like you don't have to put up these appearances

587
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: or performances. And also, just the other day, I saw

588
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: an article, and every now and then there's something I'm like,

589
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: we're still talking about this, but it was about, um,

590
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: why are we so afraid of single women? And I

591
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: think that's another reason why we're kind of like, or

592
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: at least mainstream media is like, why are all these

593
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Speaker 1: women living by them? What they're living in? Communities of

594
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: just women? It's wrong. So there's like the air of

595
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, like homophobia, but also just fear around women

596
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: kind of opting out of society, which we've talked about

597
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: a lot. But I do think, yeah, that is when

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Speaker 1: I think about my ideal commune, it is like full

599
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Speaker 1: of my friends and full of like the support, uh

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00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: and just sort of being able to be yourself totally

601
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: right right and not feel like you have to act

602
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: in a certain way that is not your self right.

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00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: Um As In fact, part of reading all of these

604
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: older generation of women who did these, they talked about

605
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: that this was about self preservation. The reason that lesbian

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00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: communes slash lesbian communities were so big, it was because

607
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: I found a safe space to love who they can love.

608
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: And I hate that's where we're going back to, and

609
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: we may need them again because we see all these

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Speaker 1: anti LGBTQ plus policies as going in place and no

611
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: one's stopping them. But a part of the reasons that

612
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: these communities happen, what's for the safety of those in

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00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: the queer community, as well as the safety for the

614
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: those who have been assaulted and have gone through some things.

615
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: When I said previously in a different episode, not all men,

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Speaker 1: but all men. That's what we're talking about, not necessarily

617
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: with the lesbian community, but the whole safety aspect is

618
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: we can't be mistaken that you're not going to be

619
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Speaker 1: one of those men. And I say you and the

620
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Speaker 1: general men in general, that just because you may not

621
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Speaker 1: be the one that does something to a woman or

622
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: to someone doesn't mean that it's not going to happen

623
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: and doesn't mean another man won't do it. So it's

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00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: just safer for women to assume all men are going

625
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: to do it until you are in our trust, and

626
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: even then people break our trust. And that's kind of

627
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: that whole level. Now, not that abuse doesn't happen within

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00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: the lesbian community, we know it does. We know abuse

629
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: happens in the queer community. We know that it's not

630
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: talked about enough, and we need to be able to

631
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: give safe spaces to that as well. But what we're

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00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: looking at is why these female centric communities were so

633
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: important and are still kind of important, and why we

634
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: need to learn from them, and why we need to

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00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: look at them still as a possible option. That's just

636
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: my opinion. I know, I know that's my opinion, but

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00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: I did want to also give some examples of other

638
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: communities women lad communities, so not necessarily like all women.

639
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: We haven't just been talking about all women only communities,

640
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: but that they have been successful and why they exist.

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Speaker 1: So this actually came from wondering our World dot com.

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Speaker 1: And I really don't know how old this article is, y'all.

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Speaker 1: I kind of try to look for it. I think

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Speaker 1: it's fairly newer. So I'm hoping that they still exist

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Speaker 1: because that would make me happy. But I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to give some examples of some women lead or all

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00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: women communities that are thriving around the world, one of

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Speaker 1: them being Umoja Village, where not only are the women

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Speaker 1: in charge, but they're the only inhabitants. Literally men are forbidden.

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Speaker 1: So from the site, it says uh Umoja, situated in

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Speaker 1: the grasslands of northern Kenya, was set up by fifteen

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Speaker 1: women in nineteen ninety as a refuge after suffering horrendous

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Speaker 1: sexual violence at the hands of British soldiers. Finding themselves

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Speaker 1: homeless after being forced out of their homes by husbands

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Speaker 1: who did not want a wife who had been raped,

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Speaker 1: these brave women set up their own village where violence

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Speaker 1: and men were banned. And then later they started taking

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Speaker 1: in children and children with HIV. So abandoned children were

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Speaker 1: allowed in UM three decades on and the community members

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Speaker 1: are around two fifty women and children. Uh. They've continued

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Speaker 1: to take in women fleeing female genital mutilation as well

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Speaker 1: as those seeking safety after suffering assault and rape. The

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Speaker 1: women all members of the Samburu. So sorry. People now

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Speaker 1: live in a completely different life from those who live

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Speaker 1: around them. They make community decisions together, have jobs and income,

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Speaker 1: and live without fear of male violence or of f GM.

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Speaker 1: So I love that. I'm like, I want to go

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Speaker 1: to there. And then we have Noueva do cordero And

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry if I just butched it. All that

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Speaker 1: and almost all female Brazilian town founded in the eighteen nineties,

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Speaker 1: which continues to grow from strength to strength and now

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Speaker 1: has a population of six hundred uh so Apparently it

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Speaker 1: started off because a Brazilian woman named Maria Sinorina de

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Speaker 1: Lima Uh set up this town after UM she was

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Speaker 1: accused of adultery after leaving a forced marriage and was excommunicated.

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Speaker 1: She wanted to do all this in order to create

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Speaker 1: a haven for women where men could not control them.

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Speaker 1: So that that town is in the southeast of Brazil,

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Speaker 1: which continues to exist today, populated by hundreds of women

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Speaker 1: who work the land and work for each other. The

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Speaker 1: community believes that town is more organized and peaceful than

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Speaker 1: if men were in charge. I'd probably agree. Some of

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Speaker 1: the residents are married, but their husbands almost all work

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Speaker 1: in the little large cities far from the village, so

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Speaker 1: only managed to return on the weekends. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I might have to go to here, and it is

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Speaker 1: pretty much run by the women only, and men are

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Speaker 1: allowed to live in the town as long as they

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Speaker 1: abide by the female lead world book. I'm I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have to go to theirs. I'm gonna have to go

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Speaker 1: um and then just one more, because I love all

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Speaker 1: of these. We wanted to talk about the women of Genoire.

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Speaker 1: As it says in the Sight Out of the Ruins

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Speaker 1: of the Syrian War, a group of women who suffered

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Speaker 1: at the hands of the Isis brutality have created an

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Speaker 1: all female village and refuge college in war based in

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Speaker 1: the north of Kurdish controlled Syria called Rojava. The village

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00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: was founded in twenty seventeen and the women saw it

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Speaker 1: as an opportunity to create their own self sustainable community

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Speaker 1: living off the land. The women of Genoir believe they

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Speaker 1: must separate themselves from the male dominated violence in the country,

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Speaker 1: inequality between men and women in Syria, and they did

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Speaker 1: this in hopes that they could live the full to

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Speaker 1: their lives, the potential of their life. And they have

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Speaker 1: some few documentaries and seemingly are doing well, and I

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Speaker 1: love to see it. Of course, this is obviously a

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Speaker 1: very new five years old at most. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: love to hear more about how they have been able

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Speaker 1: to sustain and continue in a war ravished area. I

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Speaker 1: know we've talked about the Syrian refugees before, and I

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Speaker 1: would like to see what is happening, but we're very limited.

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Speaker 1: But we want to celebrate the fact that they were

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Speaker 1: able to do so and taking control of their lives

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Speaker 1: because it's amazing and we need so many more examples

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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's definitely been the

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Speaker 1: theme throughout and I think even when we heard from

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Speaker 1: you listeners, because I know we mentioned it, and I

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Speaker 1: believe our feminist movie Friday on Elman Louise, Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we talked about that kind of them living outside of

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Speaker 1: society and you know, that's kind of a whole it's

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Speaker 1: different but related idea of there are these problems, there

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Speaker 1: are these injustices that are written into our laws and

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Speaker 1: are just society in general, um as marginalized people and

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Speaker 1: as women as we've been talking about in here, and

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Speaker 1: why it appeals to people to live outside of that.

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Speaker 1: Why this is an appealing idea for a lot of us,

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Speaker 1: I think is that And we've seen that kind of

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Speaker 1: thread throughout in all of these examples. And of course,

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Speaker 1: as you said, as we said throughout, there are problems too,

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Speaker 1: like there's still none of us are completely immune from this,

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Speaker 1: like the biases we've been raised with. But it is

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Speaker 1: very interesting to me to see these examples and to

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Speaker 1: hear these like commonalities and why they exist, which also

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Speaker 1: speaks to like a lot of issues we need to

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Speaker 1: fix in society at large. But uh, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: That is interesting. And like we said, we don't know

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Speaker 1: exactly what all is happening in the world today, but

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Speaker 1: we continues. Yes, Sminthy, I think we need we need

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Speaker 1: to do uh, I think we need to create our

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Speaker 1: own community. Yes, oh my gosh, you know what we

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Speaker 1: need listeners right in what what do we need what

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Speaker 1: is integral in the Sminty community. Uh, we need to

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Speaker 1: know what's your ideal ideal commune slash community. Um and

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Speaker 1: if there's something we missed that we should talk about,

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Speaker 1: please let us know. You can email us at Steffidia,

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Speaker 1: mom Stuff at I hurt mea dot com. You can

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Speaker 1: find us on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You,

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Speaker 1: are on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast. Thanks as always

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Speaker 1: to your super producer Christina. You were absolutely a part

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Speaker 1: of this community, so you need to tell us what

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Speaker 1: you need. Yes, Christina, get back to us on that,

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