1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: I have a number of thoughts swimming in my slow 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: moving mind, trying to coalesce them into a theme. Four 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: major polls have come out in the last twenty four hours, 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: all with pretty high approval ratings for Joe Biden, the 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: highest being at fifty nine. He's somewhere in the low 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: to mid fifties. It would seem if you average out 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: these polls his uh, how do you like him personally 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: ratings or even higher than that, similar to the way 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: Barack Obama was. Barack Obama would would would poll really 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: well even if people didn't like some of his policies. 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: You know, if a policy would would do poorly in 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: a poll, his personal rating would still be pretty high. 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: People just liked him. Um uh, certainly a majority um. 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: And then Kevin McCarthy came out yesterday he's the leader 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: of the House for the Republicans, the minority party, and 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: said he has not talked with Joe Biden since Joe 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: Biden got inaugurated. Mitch McConnell said something similar a couple 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. I don't know if that's changed. So 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: you got the the Republican leaders of the House and 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: the Senate have not talked with the president in three 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: months since he's been And I thought that was weird 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: at the time until I heard it pointed out from 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: a number of people that you know, maybe they haven't. 24 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: They kept it a secret. That's its own interesting story 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: in that they both sides would get killed by their base. 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: The lefties would hate it if they found out Biden 27 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: was talking with McConnell or McCarthy, and the and the 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: hardcore right would hate it if McCarthy and McConnell were 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: talking to Joe Biden. How far? How dare you even 30 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: dignify his position? I'm not sure I can buy that. 31 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just maybe a child would think that. 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: But that's the weird government works. Well, maybe we should 33 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: talk to somebody super smart about that, whether or not 34 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: that why that is is that where we are now 35 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: where you can't even be seen talking with the president 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: as the leader of the House of the Senate on 37 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: the other point, in the other party, is that so damaging? 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: Is that what's going on? Let's talk to Lani chat 39 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: David and Diane Stephy, fellow in American Public Policy Studies 40 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: at the Hoover Institution and the director of Domestic Policy 41 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: studies at Stanford University and a regular contributor at Seeing 42 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: an Opinion. Lonnie, how are you. I'm doing well. Thank 43 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: you for having me well. Congratulations on being super smart 44 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: is declared by Jack Well. I got a buddy who 45 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: listens in Salt Lake City all the time, and he 46 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: was raving about you from last week. He really enjoys 47 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: your segment and yeah, because you're super smart, appreciate that. 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And uh, you know, every once in 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: a while, every every every every once in a while, 50 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: I sort of take that as a compliment every once 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: in a while, sort of thinking, I don't know, are 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: people really trying to say that, are really trying to 53 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: say that? Is it a compliment or a backhanded compliment? Oh? 54 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: Come on, now, this is a straight up compliment. So 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: what do you think of Jack's analysis of why the 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: president hasn't spoken to the two ranking Republicans in the legislature. Well, no, look, 57 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that makes sense. We are 58 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: in a time and a place when our politics are 59 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: very polarized, and people who expect political purity, and if 60 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: you are seen sort of consorting with the enemy or 61 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: consorting with the other side, it can be held against you. Now, 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: I also think it's the case that there probably are 63 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: conversations going on at the staff level on a on 64 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: a regular basis, you know, even though the actual political 65 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: principles haven't spoken. I do think that there are things 66 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: going on. I mean, there have to be for the 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: machinery of government to keep going. But the image of 68 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: one leader from one party talking to a leader from 69 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: another party in a very public way, or even by 70 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: the way, if it was a private conversation and got leaked, 71 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: I can understand how in this political environment you would 72 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: see both sides not necessarily wanting to have that as 73 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: a as a as a as something that could come 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: out in public. Have you read any of the John 75 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: Bayner book. I've been reading it, and I don't usually 76 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: read those kind of things because I find them boring 77 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: most time. This one's pretty damned interesting. You know. I 78 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: have not read it. I've only read the excerpts of it, 79 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: including the the you know, little aside he has about 80 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. But I haven't. You know, John Bayner is 81 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: such a colorful guy. I am sure there are so 82 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: many entertaining stories in that book. Perhaps at some point 83 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: I will, but it just it was on my mind 84 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: because he talks about working with Barack Obama and there 85 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: he was Speaker of the House for the Republicans, and 86 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: how much he had to work with Barack Obama. And 87 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I don't I don't know 88 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: if we can do that now, if if anybody, anybody 89 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: works with anybody. Um. Uh. Baynard does mention early in 90 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: his book about how good he thinks Nancy Pelosi is 91 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: at her job and and and how smart Mitch McConnell 92 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: is and all that. But man, if people aren't talking 93 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: to each other, God, I don't know how we get 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: anything done. Well, It's just it's absurd. I mean, I 95 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: just I can't even contemplate people who think like that. Yeah, 96 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it just goes to if you go over 97 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: the years and you see how many but let's just 98 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: take Republicans for example, how many Republicans have gotten into 99 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: trouble for uh, you know, working with Democrats or the 100 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: perception being that there are rhinos, you know, Republicans in 101 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: name only because they have a conversation with the other side. Um, 102 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: you know that that point of view is is relatively common, 103 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: I would say, um, you know, and I've seen it 104 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: all the time. The difficult part of that, of course, 105 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: is that really to get anything done, you kind of 106 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: have to have those conversations. And there are a whole 107 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: host of issues that I don't think are particularly ideological. Unfortunately, 108 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: they do get turned into sort of ideological part of 109 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: the issues by by one side or another. I would say, 110 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: for example, with infrastructure, what's happened now is because the 111 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: Biden administration is put forward a plan that's essentially bastardized 112 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: the definition of infrastructure, it's it's made it more political, right. 113 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, if we were just talking about roads and 114 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: bridges and airports, I think that's a nine ten issue 115 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: of Americans regardless of party, say yeah, let's do what 116 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: we can to improve our roads and improve our bridges 117 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: and do all that stuff. But the minute you start 118 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: including things like hey, you know, you you can't necessarily 119 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: choose whether to join a union, or hey, we want 120 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: to have a massive expansion of of medicaid, or hey 121 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: we want to you know, put all these other things 122 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: into the bill, then it starts to get the issue 123 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: gets more polarized, and you can understand why. Then it's 124 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: harder for the two sides to get together. So I 125 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: think some of that dynamic, unfortunately, is endemic to our 126 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: politics today. Each of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University on 127 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: the line. So I guess we talked about this a 128 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: fair amount, but I'd love to hear your take on this. 129 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: Given the unbelievable logistical and humanitarian crisis on the border 130 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: right now, why is there not a huge cry on 131 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: both sides to get together and fix the immigration system? 132 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Immigration is quite possibly the most polarized 133 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: issue out there. I mean, we have seen over the 134 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: years so many efforts, you know, amongst people to try 135 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: and get together and figure out, hey, can we do 136 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: this little piece or can we solve that piece of it, 137 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: and repeatedly over and over and over again, it just 138 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: hasn't happened. Uh. And there are things that have become 139 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: so polarized. I mean, I'll give you, guys, one example. 140 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: The concept of border security. Okay, this should be there 141 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: should be very little debate in my mind about the 142 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: fact that we need to have a secure southern border. 143 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: We need to do what we can to put in, 144 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: whether it's physical barriers, technological barriers, funding the US Border Patrol, 145 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: making sure that we're doing everything we need to do 146 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: to have a secure southern border that has somehow become 147 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: a really, really controversial issue. And I cannot see the 148 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: life of me understand why. You know, and in the 149 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: same way as hey, look, we I think we want 150 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: to have an immigration system that allows people who are 151 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: able to contribute to the United States, to our economy, 152 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: to our to the fabric of our country. We want 153 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: to welcome people in and have a rational immigration system. 154 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: That's you know something that I think again, if you 155 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: pulled the Americans, I would say the broad majority want both. 156 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: But somehow we cannot get together and get things done. 157 00:07:53,720 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: It's incredibly frustrating. Yeah. Well, back to the Baynard book briefly. Um, 158 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: there are a number of interesting segments in there, including 159 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: where he tells about a representative from Alaska putting a 160 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: knife to his throat he claims in the House floor, 161 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: but whether or not that happened or not. But at 162 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: one point Baynard talks about Michelle Bachman coming to him. 163 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: She was a representative from Minnesota who ran for president 164 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: for a cup of coffee, and she wants to get 165 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: on some committee and she's brand new. He says, no, 166 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put you on there, and she says, okay, well, 167 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna have to go to you know, 168 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: to Russia, Limball and Sean Hannity and go on all 169 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: those shows and say that you won't let me be 170 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: on there. And Baynard says in his book, she thought 171 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: she had all the power and I'm the speaker of 172 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: the house. Turns out she was right, is basically what 173 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: Bayner says. And and he hadn't realized that things had 174 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: changed that way obviously. If that's the dynamic on both sides, well, 175 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: how how are you ever going to get anywhere well? Right? 176 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: And and that's the thing I mean about social media 177 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,119 Speaker 1: and about just the way we consume media. Now, everybody 178 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: consumed the media that they agree with, right, And if 179 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: you have a presence on those media outlet, you're incredibly 180 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: powerful in some ways, much more powerful than whatever formal 181 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: title of positions someone else has. And I think Bayner 182 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: probably realized that as he went on, you know, I 183 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: think others, uh, you know, realized that as they go 184 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: on that formal position, formal place in the Congress. It's 185 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: not like it was in the nineteen sixties and the 186 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: seventies and and even the eighties when the Speaker of 187 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: the House had a tremendous amount of power. Now it's 188 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: more like wrangling cats, and and any one of those 189 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: cats can decide to go off, and you know, give 190 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: an interview on Fox News. They can blow you up 191 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: at any given time. So it's a tough dynamic out there. 192 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: To be sure, we want to he Chan of Hoover Institutions, Stanford. 193 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: You know, I haven't run a little late, but I've 194 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: got to ask you this, the the the court packing 195 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: discussion that's going on right now. You actually had a 196 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: couple of just America's most despicable legislators my words, not yours, 197 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: trotting out the idea of packing the Supreme Court. We're 198 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: talking earlier on he about the idea of you just 199 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: go ahead and state these crazy ideas, and you you 200 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: ask for a vote, You put him in front of 201 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: a committee, knowing that they will fail miserably, but knowing 202 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: now it's part of the national discussion. Is there anything 203 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: conservatives can do um to counter that. I mean, because 204 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: the temptation is to say that will never pass, it 205 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: will never get through, and not pay attention to it. 206 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: I think we need to be yelling about it. I don't. 207 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, I mean, look, this is 208 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: a serious problem. The the implication of what the folks 209 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: who want to pack the court are doing is that 210 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: because they can't have their way, because they can't have 211 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: the ideological composition of the court they want, they want 212 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: to change the fundamental nature of the institution. And you know, 213 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: it's a tough argument to carry, but I do think 214 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: you're right. Conservatives have to articulate why the rule of 215 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: law is important, why the current composition of the court 216 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: is important, and why it is that this is this 217 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: is about elections mattering, right, I mean, they can complain 218 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: all they want about President Trump having put you know, 219 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: several Supreme Court justices in the court. The reality of 220 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: elections have consequence is now Biden is going to have 221 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: his opportunity. This is how American politics work. This is 222 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: not a you know, you you you cry over spilled milk, 223 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: and you turn around and go home and you decide 224 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: you're going to rage against the system. That's essentially what 225 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: we have for those who want to change the composition 226 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: of the court. So I think it is important for 227 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: those who believe, hey, look you know, packing the court 228 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: not the right idea. To say that very loudly and 229 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: to make it very clear why that's the problem. Lan 230 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: Chen David and Diane Stephy, Fellow in American Public Policy 231 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Studies at the Hoover Institution and Director of Domestic Policy 232 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: Studies at Stanford University. Lani, great to talk to you. Thanks, 233 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: have a great weekend. Thank you too. I'm looking at 234 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: some of the polls from Gallup. You know, he was 235 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: talking about how how people feel about it, and he 236 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: thinks most people would be an agreement on strengthening security 237 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: at the border. I'm looking at this from Gallup. Please 238 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: tell me whether you strongly favored favor opposers strongly opposed 239 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: each of the following proposals. Hiring significantly more border patrol 240 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: agents and this is from last two I guess it's 241 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: two years ago, out nineteen. I like that question because 242 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: it's it's very practical, as opposed to fuzzy ideological hiring 243 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: significantly more board border patrol agents, not just more, but 244 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: significantly more. Strongly favor forty one percent favor here a's 245 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: seventy two percent favor or strongly favor that you wouldn't 246 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: get that from watching the news, would you know absolutely 247 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: not build bridges, not walls. Yeah, we're gonna bring We're 248 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: gonna build walls, and then we're gonna hire guys to 249 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: guard them. He said, Amica, you think with a seventy 250 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: percent issue you can get something done. But I think 251 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: people are misled by Twitter. Politicians are, and people are. 252 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: People are misled by Twitter and cable news and talk 253 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: radio and everything else into uh not knowing what America 254 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: really thinks about things.