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Speaker 1: It's not college football's job to save your favorite team.

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Speaker 1: It's yours. It's your team, it's your school, it's you.

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Speaker 1: It's not college football's responsibility. It's bucking fits taking over

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Speaker 1: two pros and a cup of Joe. He's Buck Rising.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jason Fitz. I have touched a nerve this morning.

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Speaker 1: I have touched a nerve with the world just speaking

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Speaker 1: some very very very plain truth on college football. It's happened,

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Speaker 1: the way college football should be. Buck Rising was just

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Speaker 1: talking about Vandy grifting off of sec money forever, and Buck,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. It has me thinking back when when

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Speaker 1: you and I first met, and I was working in

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Speaker 1: Vandy's athletic director at the time, the people that they

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Speaker 1: had doing it because they had a very strange structure,

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Speaker 1: and I asked, when are going to invest in college football,

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Speaker 1: and they laughed and said, our student base doesn't really care.

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Speaker 1: So they care about being doctors and lawyers, and they

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Speaker 2: So you know, we do what we need to do

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Speaker 1: A football team out there, but it's not a pressing

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Speaker 1: need for our institution. So we are going to continue

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Speaker 1: to do things the way we do things. Now, you

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Speaker 1: become a better football team. But all of that screams

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Speaker 1: to what the modern climate is. If you want your

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Speaker 1: favorite team to be successful, then raise the money.

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Speaker 2: Like this hole saved college football from itself.

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Speaker 1: Half the people yelling and screaming about this that are

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Speaker 1: worried about their favorite team, I guess I would say,

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Speaker 1: all right, we live in the most empowered era in

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Speaker 2: Do is raise the money.

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Speaker 1: If it's that simple, just go raise the money. Now, yes,

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Speaker 1: there were teams last year that had massive payrolls that

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Speaker 1: didn't win national championships. That's got to be part of

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Speaker 1: this conversation too. Not every dollar is spent the right way.

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Speaker 1: Book but I'm looking around saying, why is it college

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Speaker 1: football's job to figure out how to save any of

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Speaker 1: these programs. If they want to play with the big boys,

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Speaker 1: raise big boy money. If they can't play with the

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Speaker 1: in a different sandbox.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the pushback that would immediately come to

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Speaker 3: more sponsorship deals or do And maybe that part of

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Speaker 3: it is just inevitable fitsy, But like I initially recoil

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Speaker 3: fans or whatever other program that you might mention, because

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Speaker 4: Now the prices are.

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Speaker 3: Going to go up on everything, So maybe it's it's

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Speaker 3: There's not a good pushback that I have on it

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess my argument would be in a world

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Speaker 1: Right now, what's happening is, if you are a fan

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Speaker 1: it's not fair that Texas can spend more than we can.

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Speaker 1: This has all been legally challenged. The Supreme Court has

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Speaker 1: what we have again. I'm not getting political. I don't

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Speaker 1: But the very same people that are sitting here saying

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Speaker 1: why is it Texas's job to do less? Simply so

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Speaker 2: Of rules and they can do it together. And if you.

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Speaker 1: Can't hang with Ohio State, Texas, Michigan, every SEC school

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Speaker 2: Like that's just what are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: Like we're saving We're worried about satan soa Air quotes,

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Speaker 3: Do degenerate gambling, which is the most likely scenario in

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Speaker 1: I just so let let Nevada University Nevada areno play

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Speaker 1: Utah State and still have a line on it and

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Speaker 3: I am delighted by the idea that you and I

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Speaker 4: That is one hundred set factoration fits.

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Speaker 3: But the fact that you have just advocated for what

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Speaker 3: no more diversity, equity and inclusion among smaller college football programs.

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Speaker 3: Why should I Why should my tax dollars go.

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Speaker 4: To support Wisconsin Whitewater? Wait?

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Speaker 3: What is the college football version of DOGE? Is that

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Speaker 3: the NC double? I now I'm the one to get political.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Oh and it just makes me sad.

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Speaker 3: It makes it makes it can make it can be

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Speaker 4: And it can still make me sad.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, you're right, You're right. It is different.

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Speaker 1: People will find more comfort when they figure out what

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Speaker 1: brainstorming like. I've long since made the argument with the

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Speaker 1: college Football Playoff Committee. Anyone that thinks that job is easy,

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Speaker 1: Mollatus, Like, just trying to get thirteen people to agree

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Speaker 2: I just think we're.

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Speaker 1: Disingenuous about what we actually care about. And what everybody

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Speaker 1: Everybody else screwed if that's what it takes to make

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Speaker 2: That's good too.

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Speaker 1: I will die on the hill that Connecticut is not

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Speaker 1: let Connecticut play in whatever group they want to play

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Speaker 1: not because we need to step back on the big boys.

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Speaker 3: This is we were having this a version of this

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Speaker 4: Ago, but uh six seven score eight years ago. No,

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Speaker 1: third of them actually passionately watched the WNBA and have

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Speaker 1: really informed opinions. About a third of them have decided

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Speaker 1: that the league is trash and everybody involved in it

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Speaker 1: is trash, and yet they've never watched a single second

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Speaker 1: of it. And then there's the other third that will

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Speaker 1: tell you that the league is amazing and that they

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Speaker 1: love every portion of it, and they haven't watched a

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Speaker 1: single second of it either. Like it is wild to

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Speaker 1: me how many people that I know that we'll sit

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Speaker 1: here and profess some sort of feel one way or

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Speaker 1: the other to the w and it's like, how many

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Speaker 1: games have you watched this year? Can you name three players?

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Speaker 1: Like there are people that trash the league all the

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Speaker 1: time that have simply never watched the game and won't

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Speaker 1: watch game, and that's fine. And then there's this whole

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Speaker 1: group of people that will tell you how much they

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Speaker 1: love it and they can't name five players.

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Speaker 2: So I just I don't even know what to make

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 3: The people that have and this is a specific example,

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Speaker 3: but the people that seem to have the strongest Angel

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Speaker 3: Reese opinions are also the people that will tell you, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't watch that league. Yeah, well then what are

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Speaker 3: you coming out here with these strong opinions other than

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Speaker 3: you don't like the personality type and you know which

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Speaker 3: league she plays in. Like, where are these strident, obnoxious

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Speaker 3: opinions coming for or against angel Rees if you're not

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Speaker 3: actually watching her perform on a regular basis and just

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Speaker 3: you know, picking up the highlights or low lights that

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Speaker 3: have come out about her performances and then formulating an

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Speaker 3: opinion on that is It is the the worst version

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Speaker 3: of internet dialogue specifically, but the worst version of sports

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Speaker 3: dialogue as well. People screaming to high Heaven about whatever

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Speaker 3: it is that they think they have to have their

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Speaker 3: opinions known on without actually being informed about the thing

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Speaker 3: that they have an opinion on.

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Speaker 1: My favorite tweet is the NFL sucks so I haven't

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Speaker 1: watched it in seven years? Well, then how do you

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Speaker 1: know if you haven't watched a gaming like you're telling

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Speaker 1: yourself in the same tweet, You're like, I haven't watched

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Speaker 1: that trash league in forever. The product stinks, it's not

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Speaker 1: what it used to be. I mean, you can't know

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Speaker 1: that if you haven't watched it. Two things can't be true.

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Speaker 4: At once.

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Speaker 1: All right, quarterback rankings are out for MEESPN dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Again, Jeremy Fowler doesn't do these himself.

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Speaker 1: He just surveys the league and he has put pats

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Speaker 1: of the league executives, GM's front office people that they

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Speaker 1: talked to coaches have come to the very shocking opinion

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Speaker 1: that I don't know one Patrick Mahomes is the number

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Speaker 1: one quarterback in the NFL. And you, sir, have a

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Speaker 1: disagreement with Putt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not. He's not even close.

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Speaker 1: Didn't you just on off of working with me a

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Speaker 1: week ago? You said, but Patrick Mahomes is the best

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Speaker 1: quarterback I've ever seen in my lifetime.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, on aggregate.

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Speaker 3: But this ranking is for players in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: five season based on most recent performance. And Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 3: just recently represented the AFC in the Super Bowl and

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Speaker 3: he got his ass kicked en route to and had

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Speaker 3: a stretch of I would argue about eight games at

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Speaker 3: the end of the regular season where they started to

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Speaker 3: look like the Chiefs that we know that you can

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Speaker 3: have confidence in, as opposed to the Chiefs that you're

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Speaker 3: questioning on a week by week basis and find ways

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Speaker 3: to win like that ridiculous ending against the Broncos last year,

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Speaker 3: or any of these other one score games.

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Speaker 4: That they've survived, and that matters.

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Speaker 3: That's a skill, especially when you have that quarter back

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Speaker 3: that can tip the scales that way. But not based

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Speaker 3: off last year's performance. The best quarterback in football based

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Speaker 3: off last year's performance is Lamar Jackson. And this man

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Speaker 3: is ranked below Patrick Mahomes, who's won which is just

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Speaker 3: kind of a career achievement award at this point. And

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Speaker 3: that's where I really take the most issue with Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: Not based off last year, not last year, Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes was the fourth best out of the four

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Speaker 3: superpower quarterbacks in the AFC, and ironically, the top four

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Speaker 3: are all the AFC. So when you look at the rankings,

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Speaker 3: Mahomes is won, Alan is two, Burrow is three, and

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, who should have been the MVP last year,

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Speaker 3: who lost the MVP just because you want to talk

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Speaker 3: about political. This Josh Allen thing was political. Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: being fourth year as a crime. Lamar Jackson should be

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Speaker 3: the number one quarterback based off last year's results. Fitz,

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Speaker 3: there was not a more effective quarterback. There was not

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Speaker 3: a more efficient quarterback according to the metrics. We don't

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Speaker 3: have to get into the advanced stuff here, but they

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Speaker 3: were the number one offense in DVOA last year. His

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Speaker 3: passing EPA went up year over year forty point seven

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, seventy six point three in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three last year one eighty seven point three. He

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Speaker 3: is by a mile, the most statistically effective quarterback no

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Speaker 3: matter which metrics you're looking at. His playoff success is

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Speaker 3: the thing that we count against him more than anything.

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Speaker 3: And if you want to make it a rings argument,

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Speaker 3: I've got no problem, no issue at all with Mahomes

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Speaker 3: being at the top of the list because he's the

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Speaker 3: only one of those four that's won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: The other guys can't get past Mahomes, and the one

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Speaker 3: guy that did, Joe Burrow, fell short against Matt Stafford

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Speaker 3: in the Rams. But if you're going to tell me,

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Speaker 3: and that's what the background the criteria for this ESPN

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Speaker 3: Poll Executive ranking is, they are paying more respect to

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Speaker 3: Mahomes based on his career accomplishments than they are to

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Speaker 3: how he actually played last year. And how he actually

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Speaker 3: played last year has more pedestrian than he's ever been,

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Speaker 3: and heading into twenty.

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Speaker 4: Twenty five, he's not. I don't expect to get.

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Speaker 3: Better because it may be the worst offensive line that

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Speaker 3: they've ever fielded in front of Patrick Mahomes, even though

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Speaker 3: they've just re signed Trey Smith, who's an excellent guard,

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Speaker 3: to as much guaranteed money as the guard's ever made,

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Speaker 3: and they have the number one interior offensive lineman according

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Speaker 3: to this list, Creed Humphrey playing center. The other three

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Speaker 3: are very much questionable at this point in time. That

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Speaker 3: was the thing that undid Patrick Mahomes the most in

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson is one of those players

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Speaker 3: who's able to negate the impact of his offensive line

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Speaker 3: more than any other quarterback on this list. He's better

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Speaker 3: than Joe Burrow. He's better than Josh Allen. He's better

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Speaker 3: than Patrick Mahomes. If we're talking about last year as

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Speaker 3: a sample size, it's not even close.

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty I mean, you're making a pretty declarative

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Speaker 1: statement on The Funny thing is I agree with a

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Speaker 1: lot of what you said regarding Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: I really do. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think you're underselling a little bit of what Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen did last year. I mean honestly, going into that season,

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Speaker 1: talking to people around Buffalo, they kept saying, we were

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Speaker 1: all looking at the wide receiver position. The conversation was that,

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Speaker 1: you know, frankly, the Bills believed internally that he can

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Speaker 1: be responsible for forty touchdowns no matter who's around in

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Speaker 1: between throwing and running. And then he turned around and

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Speaker 1: did all of that. Like I think Josh Allen last

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Speaker 1: year was absolutely special. I had no problem with Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen being the MVP. And then the other side is

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow who had absolutely no help but had a

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Speaker 1: historic here. It's just absolutely and to do as much

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Speaker 1: as he did last year with health issues at the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position. Also, I'm not saying that Lamar Jackson isn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, elite, one of the best. I just I

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Speaker 1: don't know that I can just declare right now if

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this season based on recent results, Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson is incredible. But I mean I have every bit

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Speaker 1: as much, if not more faith than Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow going into this year and Mahomes all he

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Speaker 1: does is win, like that has to matter at some

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Speaker 1: point if we're ranking quarterbacks. The fact that no matter

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Speaker 1: what you're up against, all you ever do is win.

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Speaker 1: It's no longer luck at this point, it's just part

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Speaker 1: of the identity of who who. Patrick Mahomes is Like,

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Speaker 1: you don't beat the Chiefs in a close game, Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes doesn't lose one score games, and you can never

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Speaker 1: beat this team in a blowout.

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Speaker 2: So doesn't having that.

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Speaker 1: Championship DNA that can win a close football game have

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Speaker 1: to matter in these rankings?

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Speaker 4: It should. I acknowledge that it should. And I don't

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Speaker 4: want to.

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Speaker 3: Denigrate Josh Allen just because I think I acknowledged that

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Speaker 3: he was an excellent player, that his case for MVP

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Speaker 3: was a good one, but I don't think it was

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Speaker 3: the best case based on what Lamar Jackson was able

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Speaker 3: to do. It fitsy and it's probably it's probably personal preference.

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Speaker 3: And I do think that Lamar Jackson also benefits from

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Speaker 3: the fact that he probably has, maybe top to bottom,

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Speaker 3: the best collection of skill players of any of these four.

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Speaker 3: I know Joe Burrow has Jamar Chase and he is arguably,

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Speaker 3: maybe not arguably the best wide receiver in football going

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Speaker 3: right now. But with Mark Andrews, and I know Mark

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Speaker 3: Andrews did not end the playoffs the way that he

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Speaker 3: wanted to. But Derek Henry, Mark, Andrews, Zay Flowers, now

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins, Who's at least who's at least a a

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Speaker 3: an above average effective player, even if he's not at

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Speaker 3: the height of his powers anymore. Right, Lamar I almost

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Speaker 3: think got hurt by the fact that he had more

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Speaker 3: name brand skill players around him propping not necessarily propping

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Speaker 3: him up, but assisting in him executing as at at

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Speaker 3: as a high of a level as any quarterback last year.

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Speaker 3: But VIZI, if I read the first sentence in this ranking,

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Speaker 3: Jackson is the most breathtaking player in the game, is

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Speaker 3: the first thing that Jeremy Fowler writes under Lamar Jackson's

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Speaker 3: ranking here, where his lowest ranking was six, his highest

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Speaker 3: ranking was number one. Last year he also came in

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Speaker 3: at number four. He is the most breathtaking player in

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Speaker 3: the game. I would agree with that. Fowler also writes

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Speaker 3: he might be the most feared in the game too,

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Speaker 3: depending on who you ask, based on the degree of

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Speaker 3: difficulty that it takes to hold Lamar Jackson down. Truly

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Speaker 3: hold Lamar Jackson down, And I would argue that Josh

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Speaker 3: Allen is one bee in this category because he's physically overwhelming.

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Speaker 3: He's mad Max out there, and you have to I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's like trying. It's like a cheetah trying to bring

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Speaker 3: down a giraffe. It's not viable nine times out of ten.

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Speaker 3: And that's how Josh Allen makes a lot of good

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Speaker 3: outside of when the or when the play breaks down.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes teams may not have an outright answer for

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Speaker 3: him to keep him out of the Super Bowl, but

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Speaker 3: they have at least figured out a way to make

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Speaker 3: him less special. They don't have explosive plays in that

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Speaker 3: Chiefs offensive late, and maybe they find ways to manufacture

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Speaker 3: that this year. But that's one of the things that

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Speaker 3: made Patrick Mahomes the most deadly at any given point.

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Speaker 3: There is no way to keep Lamar Jackson or Josh

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Speaker 3: Allen at this point from being able to execute explosive plays,

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Speaker 3: whether it's with their legs or through the air.

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Speaker 1: If you were walking in today and you could pick

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Speaker 1: any quarterback in the league to be your quarterback this

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Speaker 1: year on your football team, you would pick Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: over Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't think twice.

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Speaker 2: I just I can't I can't. I can't go with

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Speaker 2: you on that.

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Speaker 1: The number of times we've seen Patrick Mahomes bail out

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Speaker 1: his entire.

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Speaker 3: Team, no none, Fincy, I covered the AFC championship've covered

657
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Speaker 3: a lot of games with both Mahomes out, well, all

658
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 3: three of the Mahomes out, and then honestly, Burrow because

659
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Speaker 3: of the team that I covered, the Titans in the AFC,

660
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Speaker 3: and they used to be good at one time. It's

661
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: been a long time since they've been worth a dam,

662
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Speaker 3: but they used to have classic games against all four

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Speaker 3: of these teams and all four of these quarterbacks. It

664
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: was harder for them to stop Lamar Jackson than it

665
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Speaker 3: was to stop Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not just using that.

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00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: As an example of all right, I watched this team

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Speaker 3: against both quarterbacks, and this is how one did versus

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Speaker 3: the other. I have seen it consistently in the ways

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Speaker 3: that that they win. There are just more ways that

671
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson can outright, individually, individually beat you than Patrick

672
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: Mahomes can. Mahomes has benefited from not just being excellent himself,

673
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Speaker 3: but also playing on high level teams when Tyreek Hill

674
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: was on that roster, when Travis Kelsey was at the

675
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: height of his powers when that defense is playing as

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Speaker 3: well as it did, and that playoff run was not

677
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: the It was a better run for Mahomes in the

678
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: offense than it was for the Chiefs defense. Certainly, that

679
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: Super Bowl was not Steve Spagnolo's units best performance by

680
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 3: a mile. But if you gave me all things equal

681
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: and said, regardless of the team that we're putting on,

682
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: which quarterback can beat you in more ways?

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Speaker 4: The answer is Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Man, you got two minutes to go in a game

685
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: and you need a quarterback. Patrick Mahomes is a better

686
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: quarterback like that in that moment you got you got

687
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: twelve seconds and you need you need something at some point.

688
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: But it's not the final two minutes. That wasn't the question.

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00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: The question was, if you're drafting of quarterback to play

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Speaker 3: for your franchise.

691
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Speaker 4: Which one are you taking.

692
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: I'm giving myself the most amount of chances by taking Lamar.

693
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm giving myself the person that all he does is win.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not even just about the playoffs here.

695
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: It's just the number of times that we have seen

696
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes just left dead in the water and then

697
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Speaker 1: he finds his way back into it.

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Speaker 4: I have a hard talent year for them. Last year

699
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Speaker 4: was fifteen and two to your point in.

700
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Speaker 2: A Super Bowl appearance.

701
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: And if I have to bet my house this year

702
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: on who's going back, I know who's going to the

703
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. It would be dumb to bet against Patrick Mahomes.

704
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: In my opinion. It's right.

705
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 3: If I could bet on the NFL, I'd do it.

706
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: But you know, I've got some ethical obligations there. You

707
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: have to make sure I'm not sullied by the gambling,

708
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: at least in the NFL.

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00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: What are these ethics that you speak of. I know

710
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: nothing of ethics and morals.

711
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: All right, it is time for would you Rather? The

712
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Speaker 1: single greatest game show in the history of sports? Stark

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Speaker 1: Radio comes next. Would you Rather? Bucking Fits?

714
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Speaker 2: Taken over? Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.

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00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 5: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

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Speaker 5: a Cup of oh with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

718
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 5: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

719
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Speaker 2: So Bucking Fits takeover on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hanging out two Pros and a Cup of Joe, getting

721
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: a little time off much deserved. I think they're actually

722
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: just on later in the day, but we're hanging out

723
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Speaker 1: early morning. Buck not with me tomorrow, but I will

724
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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow with Jeff Schwartz, so it'll you know,

725
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: that'll be one pro and a cup of Joe. A

726
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: lot to get into with with Schwartz, you know. I mean,

727
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: Buck's great, but it wasn't an offensive lineman in the NFL.

728
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: So I'm going on vacation. This is the only reason

729
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: you're not saddled with me tomorrow. I deserve a vacation too. Actually,

730
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: the fine production staff deserves a vacation for what I

731
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: put them through this morning.

732
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 4: And I suppose you worked a little extra hard than

733
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: you would normally have to, so.

734
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: You know, if you got to spend some time with Schwartz,

735
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: some time away with me, absence makes the heart grow fonder.

736
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 3: I'll come back from California. We'refreshed, ready to go. Oh

737
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: ready for training camp and the grind that comes with it,

738
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: and you and Schwartz cann.

739
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 4: Have fun tomorrow.

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00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he won't have no connection problems the

741
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: same way that I did today.

742
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: You'll come back tall, dark and sexy. Also, the fellows

743
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: by the way of Fox Sports Radio on the weekends.

744
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: If you've never hung out with me, there do it.

745
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: We're on from five to nine am Eastern. And I

746
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: had to think about that for a second.

747
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: We're on stupid early every Saturday morning, so we'll be

749
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: hanging out with you. So for the next couple of mornings,

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00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be with you a bunch at Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: Radio having a black in the mean time, Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: are you ready for this?

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00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: Buck We're gonna try this. We try this every time.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the greatest talk show, game show, I

755
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: should say, in sports talk history.

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00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: It is time for what It's easy, guys, don't think

757
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: too hard.

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00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: We're on.

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00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: Would you rather Bucket, touch no good? Or fix it?

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00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: All right, Justin's gonna come in and ask us some

761
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: questions along the way. We will decide if we would

762
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: either do one or the other. This is a simple game.

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00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: Are you ready, brother?

764
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 7: All right, let's go. We have a first one. Here

765
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 7: is an interesting one. Would you rather be tackled by

766
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 7: Aaron Donald once or taking ninety five mile per hour

767
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 7: fastball to the thigh?

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00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: Oh? Tackled by Aaron Donald? On so it's either way.

769
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: It's only one time, right. The other doesn't come with

770
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: like just sustained abuse there.

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00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: Man, I feel like you're less.

772
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: Likely to sustain full body injury from a baseball to

773
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Speaker 3: the thigh.

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Speaker 4: But that would hurt like a mother.

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00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: No, I'm taking the baseball to the thigh because at

777
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: least it's not my head, right, like Aaron.

778
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: Donald tackles me.

779
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 1: My head's gonna bounce off the ground and then I'm gonna,

780
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be a shell of myself for

781
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: the rest of time. I'll take the baseball to the thigh.

782
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like Aaron Donald would be it might

783
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: have a legitimate crippling effect, whereas the baseball thing, you

784
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: might just have a bruise.

785
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 4: On your thigh for a couple of weeks.

786
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: I mean, like, could it breakcatch ninety mile an hour?

787
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 2: I mean on a fie on these little bite bird legs.

788
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Speaker 3: I don't know, Man, you couldn't pray, I mean, could

789
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: break a bone through your thigh muscle?

790
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Ninety eight miles an hour

792
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: just seems.

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00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: Really fast, Okay, said ninety five?

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Speaker 2: Relax, my bad ninety five. Then that's easy, all right?

795
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: What have we got? Nice? All right? Would you?

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00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 7: I mean, this one seems kind of easy to me,

797
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 7: but we'll see what you guys think. Would you rather

798
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 7: have to play one full NFL game in crocs or

799
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 7: golf eighteen holes wearing ski boots?

800
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: Like?

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00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I think probably the ski boots and the

802
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: golf like, that's not that bad for me. I'm gonna

803
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: take the ski boots in the in the golf because

804
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm already I can't look worse when I golf. It's

805
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: physically impossible for me to look more terrible when I golf.

806
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd wear it, and I'd make it a

807
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: full outfit, Like we're gonna do the knee high pants

808
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: and the lime green hat and do the whole thing

809
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: and walk around.

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00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 2: With the ski boots.

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00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 4: Uh.

812
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: Is everybody else on the football field and crocs or.

813
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: Is it just me?

814
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: It's just well if everybody else difference, Yeah, because if

815
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: somebody's wearing clats and I'm wearing crocs and I get

816
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: stepped on, that's a nightmare. If everybody's wearing crocs, then

817
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: there's less likely to be a horrendous foot injury. As

818
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: a result. So yeah, it's the golf in the ski boots.

819
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: Although I feel like you.

820
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 4: Get shit and splints from that.

821
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 3: That sounds that sounds like something that could have repercussions

822
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: after the fact, whereas the crocs in the football game

823
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: it would just be an immediate discomfort.

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00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean, get you get street credit if you're like, oh, guys,

825
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm injured because I played football and crocs, you get

826
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: no where'd you get your shin splints from while I

827
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: was golfing in muski boots?

828
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, all.

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Speaker 7: Right, this one is not sports related, but that's a

830
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 7: little ridiculous. And would you rather have spaghetti for hair

831
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 7: or sweat maple syrup?

832
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: I would rather sweat maple syrup. I feel like the

833
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 3: sweating of maple syrup would is something that's easier to manage.

834
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: If you have spaghetti for hair, it's a constant thing.

835
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: It would constantly be dripping. At least if you are

836
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: you only have to deal with the maple syrup while sweating. Right,

837
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 3: And I know we're in the middle of summer, so

838
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 3: every time I walk outside the house, it looks like

839
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: I it looks like I just got out of the

840
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 3: shower if I've if I'm not, you know, properly prepared

841
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: for the elements outside. But I feel like the sweating

842
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: of maple syrup.

843
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: Is a little more manageable.

844
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: There fits you disagree, well, I mean you know that inevitably,

845
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: And would you rather something always comes back to the

846
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: hibbitidivity for me? And this one is right there, Like

847
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: you cannot do the hibbitidivity if you're sweating maple syrup,

848
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: Like she's not.

849
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: Going to be into that at all.

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Speaker 4: You can'tnot go And if you've got spaghetti for hair, Yeah.

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00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: No, maybe she's maybe it's maybe it's maybe it's.

852
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 4: Maybe what maybe a me ball just rolls off your

853
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 4: skull in.

854
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: The middle of the act, as opposed to just feeling

855
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: a little sticky, like there's gonna be some stickiness associated

856
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 3: with it anyway, right, Like that's that's something that you're

857
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: gonna be able to overcome.

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00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: I feel like, justin, can you give us one more

859
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: quick so we don't get fired?

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00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: All right?

861
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 7: Would you rather hicc up every time you hear the

862
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 7: word touchdown or sneeze every time someone claps hiccup.

863
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: When I hear the word touchdown, Guess I'm a Raiders fan.

864
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: I don't hear that very well.

865
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 4: I kickups hurt. I'll take the other.

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00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: Look at that. We got all of this done.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we appreciate you guys hanging out with us this morning.

868
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Speaker 2: As always, stick with.

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00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio throughout the course of the day. Of course,

870
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Speaker 1: there's more greatness coming to you all day long. He's

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Speaker 1: buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. I'll be back tomorrow and

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00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the weekend. Be sure to keep

873
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: hanging out with us. Bucket Fits taking over for two

874
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Speaker 1: Pros and a Cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio.