1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt Hi, 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm Noll and I'm Ben. You are you and if 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: you are listening to this show, then hopefully you are 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: not Tera Sita Bassa. We'll get to it today. We're 8 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: going to talk about crime. Every once in a while 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: we do a show about criminal behavior, whether that's financial corruption, 10 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: whether that's a grizzly series of unsolved murders. Um. But 11 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: we're talking today not about a type of crime, but 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 1: a very specific crime, a tale of murder and on 13 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: some level justice perhaps just this from beyond the grave grave? Now, 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: how many times I have to tell you I can 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: do that in post. You don't have to do your 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: own effects. I know, I just like it. So our 17 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,279 Speaker 1: story begins in Chicago, nineteen seventy seven with a forty 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: seven year old respiratory therapist named Terra Sita Bossa. Now, now, 19 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: she was from the Philippines. She was well regarded by 20 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: her neighbors. Her her neighbors liked her. She was fluent 21 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: into glic and she was employed at a place called 22 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: the Edgewater Hospital in Chicago, which is at this time closed. 23 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: On February twenty one, nineteen seventy seven, firefighters arrived at 24 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: Terra Cita's home, which was Apartment fifteen B on the 25 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: fifteenth floor of forty North Pine Grove Avenue, where they 26 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: discovered her corpse. Her corpse have been burned and likely 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: to filed kitchen knife protruded from her chest. It was 28 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: one of the lives that she had owned. While she 29 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: was alive. Someone had thrown her mattress on top of 30 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: her and you know, attempted to burn the evidence. As 31 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: homicides to go with. This case was particularly horrific. There 32 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: were no leads and after a few months the case 33 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: went cold. And while this is unfortunate, it's also disturbingly common. 34 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: You guys, let's pause for a second from this story 35 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: and and take a look at some of the statistics 36 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: involving homicide so we can get a better get a 37 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 1: better grasp of this. One of the things that we'll 38 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: find when we look at statistics for murders, you know, 39 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: identified homicides, is that there are a lot of qualifications 40 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: and members of the same government sometimes don't always agree 41 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: on the numbers. For example, the Bureau of Justice, which 42 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: is an arm of the Department of Justice here in 43 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: the US, has a nuanced definition, very precise definition of homicide, 44 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: and that would include would murder and non negligent manslaughter, 45 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: which is the wilful killing of one human being by 46 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: another right. But the data is based solely on police 47 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: investigation as opposed to the determination of a court or 48 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: a medical examiner, a coroner, or another judicial body. So 49 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: if there's a suspect death and then there's a trial 50 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: later and they say and the cops didn't think it 51 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: was a murder, but a jury does rule something that 52 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: says that, then it still doesn't count. So it also 53 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: excludes some deaths, and some of those are um deaths 54 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: caused by negligence, suicide, or accident. Justifiable homicide seems like 55 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: a misnumber since it actually has the word homicide, and 56 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: but I digress and attempts of murder right, and justified 57 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: carries its own yeah, and justifiable homicides are based on 58 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement agency reports, and that's a whole another episode. Uh. 59 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: Interesting side note here, deaths from the terrorist attacks on 60 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: September eleventh, two thousand one are specifically not included in 61 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: the analyzes. And that's a that's just an example of 62 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: the sort of definition that will look at here. But 63 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: good news because of according its not just the Bureau 64 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: of Justice, but also to other reporting agencies. Despite what 65 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: you might hear on your local mainstream news, uh and 66 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: and all the terrible things you're here on the radio, 67 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: it turns out that murder is actually declining. Yeah, that 68 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: is an extremely surprising thing to hear, especially after these 69 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: past couple of weeks of the two conventions for our 70 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: primary parties, and there's a lot of scare scare stuff 71 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: going on, right, And then you look at the actual 72 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: statistics and you see that the homicide rate in the 73 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: US has declined by nearly half, from nine three homicides 74 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: per one hundred thousand residents in nine two to four 75 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: point seven out of one hundred thousand in two thousand eleven. 76 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: That's the lowest level since nineteen sixty three. But as 77 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: we said, not all of the sources will agree. So 78 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: if we look to the FBI, we find their handybook 79 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: Crime in the United States, and they found some interesting 80 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: numbers from Yeah, they found that there were an estimated 81 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: one million, one sixty five thousand, three hundred and eighty 82 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: three violent crimes, which would consist of murder and non 83 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: negligent homicides, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults. These statistics were 84 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: called from various law enforcement agencies, and that's that's pulling 85 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: in a whole lot of different crimes, right. Um. So yeah, 86 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: like you said, Ben, when looking at these different sources 87 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: that are trying to keep good statistics on all of 88 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: this stuff and good numbers, it gets money. Yeah, But 89 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: but there's more here. Many of these homicides that occur 90 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: do go unsolved. Sadly. We've got a great quote from 91 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: a article in The Economists on this America's homicide clearance rate. 92 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: The percentage of solved crimes that lead to arrest has 93 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: fallen considerably in the past fifty years, from around in 94 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five to around sixty According to federal statistics, 95 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: this means more than two hundred and eleven thousand homicides 96 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: committed since nineteen eighty remain unsolved. Every year introduces nearly 97 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: five thousand more. So journey back with US, ladies and 98 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: gentlemen to Chicago in nineteen seventy seven. 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We mentioned that possibly the 146 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: ghost of terrasee To Bassa came back from the grave 147 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: and got a little revenge. According to the story, several 148 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: months after the murder, the detective Joe Statula, he received 149 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: a lead from the Evanston Police Department nearby, and they 150 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: instructed him to contact Dr Jose Chua. Seems random on 151 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: on the detective's end, like, Okay, I guess we'll go 152 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: see this person. Well, apparently jose Chua's wife, Remibios Remicua, 153 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: claimed to be possessed by tarase To Boss's spirit. That's 154 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: that's a weird call to get right sitting in the 155 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: police department, Hey, you need to go talk to this lady. 156 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: She's possessed by the spirit of your victim. So, according 157 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: to Dr Chuai, his wife had actually begun entering into 158 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: these trances, these trance states, and while she was in them, 159 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: she would speak and claim to be the ghost of Tarasee. 160 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: To bass, according to the original Chicago Tribune stories that 161 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: were written about this, he goes into detail about um 162 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: laying on the bed and just speaking, and he was 163 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: he would just go up to her and I mean, 164 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: you can imagine going, what are you doing as a doctor, 165 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: like you're gonna be skeptical, right, what is happening to 166 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: my wife? Right? That's that's a reasonable thing. That's an 167 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: assumption most of us would make. We do not naturally 168 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: live in horror movies. So Dr Chua's wife were arguably 169 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: the ghost of terrace To bassa named the murderer given 170 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: name to this murder, and that name was Alan Showery 171 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: or Showery, And the doctor still, you know, of course, 172 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: was not convinced these are not very specific things us, 173 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: so he still cautiously looked into it. And turns out, 174 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: according to the story, there was an Alan Showy in Chicago. 175 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: He was also an employee at Edgewater Hospital, and it 176 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: seemed that he had visited Terraceta's home on the pretense 177 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: of repairing either a television set or an electrical problem. Additionally, 178 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: the voice claimed that Showery had taken jewelry from the 179 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: deceased and given it to his girlfriend. The jewelry, the 180 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: voice continued, could be identified by several individuals, and it 181 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: named those individuals. Despite the extraordinarily unorthodox nature of the lead, 182 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: detectives found, Yeah, there really was this Alan Showery working there. 183 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: He's an orderly who he was a thirty two year 184 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: old orderly. So they visited his home and they found 185 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: that he did have a girlfriend and he lived with her. 186 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: And upon investigation, they found boss's jewelry in the possession 187 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: of this girlfriend. So Alan Showery was arrested on August eleven. 188 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: So initially Showery confessed, but then he were canted his confession, 189 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: saying he was coerced into confess him because of police 190 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: threats to jail his pregnant common law wife as an accessory. 191 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: And this means that the first attempt at conviction ended 192 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: in a mistrial. But eventually he was convicted and he 193 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: was sentenced to i think fourteen years for the murder itself, 194 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: and then a couple other consecutive sentences of four years 195 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: for the murder arson and robbery. It was. It was 196 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: nearly twenty years altogether, right, he served less than five 197 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: of that was released in three which means Mr Showery, 198 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: you may well be listening to this podcast today, and 199 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: if you are, I would love some clarity on this 200 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: because everything we've researched on this, you know, it's it's 201 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: images of papers from the nineteen seventies, it's people in 202 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties talking about the unsolved mysteries. You know, 203 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: movie that came out. There was an Unsolved Mysteries movie 204 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: that came out about this case. We'd love to hear 205 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: directly from you if you're listening a case of possession, 206 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: if that is the story is true. As Matt mentioned earlier, 207 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: the original reports come from the Chicago Tribune, which is 208 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: which is a respected paper, but the story itself has 209 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: several holes. First, remedia Chua was also an employee at 210 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: the hospital and may have used the claim of possession 211 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: as sort of a safety net to bring Showery to justice. Um, 212 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: this is a biggie because it's very very plausible that 213 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: Chua had other information that was not made available to 214 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement through official channels. She also, though, like Tara Sita, 215 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: spoke to golog and in this This to me is 216 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: fairly plausible, this idea that somehow or another, Miss Chua 217 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: had information about what had happened. Maybe she had been 218 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: speaking um with Miss Bassa about who knows whatever was 219 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: going on between the two Alan Showery and Tara Sa Bassa, 220 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: and knew something that she wanted to get justice, but 221 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: she didn't know how to do it, and she was 222 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: afraid maybe of this guy. I'm this makes a lot 223 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: of sense, uh, not that I am poo pooing the 224 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: idea that she was actually possessed. I don't know. I 225 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: have no evidence either way of this, but that makes 226 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: sense to me. And there's also another option here that 227 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: the police may have assisted in fabricating this story, or 228 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: at least played along with it, in order to obtain 229 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: what they needed to make the arrest. So, in the 230 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: case of catching a murderer, could we blame them for 231 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: bending the circumstances a bit because it is quite possible. Unfortunately, 232 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: in the legal system, it's quite possible to have inadmissible 233 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: proof that someone committed a crime, and because the proof 234 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: is inadmissible, be unable to prosecute them or bring justice 235 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: for the family right for sure, but you can't do anything. 236 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: And this goes into a larger concept here to psychic 237 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: powers applied to law enforcement in itself. It's problematic because 238 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: we've always seen the tropes who have always heard the 239 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: stories of claim success. Right where there's a cold case 240 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: and often something grizzly if it's fiction, like a child 241 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: murderer or what not, and a medium or a psychic 242 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: is able to, based on their impressions, arrive at information 243 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: that could not be found any other way. But are 244 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: they doing this or they just confirming stuff investigators already 245 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: knew but was somehow inadmissible. You know, in the case 246 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: of Tersea Boss It it does seem that justice was 247 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: ultimately served at the killer was legally convicted, we can 248 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: call him mcgillar. But was this by a ghost or 249 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: was this by bending the rules of an investigation. I'll 250 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, the uh the shield or the wire or 251 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: any of those other crime shows. Yeah, it feels like 252 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: a slippery slope to me. I haven't heard. I can't 253 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: think in my head of a case that used a 254 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: psychic to get a conviction in the recent past. And 255 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: maybe that should be just because I'm not looking for it. 256 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, I haven't seen it pop up on any 257 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: of my news threads that I subscribe to. Perhaps that's it, um. 258 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that it's happening with much frequency. That's 259 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: an excellent point. And this brings us to another thing 260 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: of For those of you listening who are involved in 261 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: law enforcement, I'd like to hear your your thoughts on this. 262 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: There's a phenomenon that I've heard occurs, which is that 263 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: sometimes when a crime or the hunt for a criminal 264 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: gets too much recognition in the public, precincts become inundated 265 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: with people who are alleging that they have inside knowledge 266 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: of it, or that they committed the crime, or that 267 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: they have received information about the crime in a dream 268 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: or in a trance or some spiritual revelation. And this 269 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: you know, this is depicted sometimes in fiction, but it 270 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: does actually happen. Maybe not all that often, but it 271 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: has happened. So we'd love to hear some real stories 272 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: about those kinds of experiences. And most importantly, of course, 273 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: if uh there was something you couldn't explain, if somebody 274 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: really did have something that seemed to be esp that 275 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: assisted in the cracking of a case, and it doesn't 276 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: have to be homicide. Of course, it can be you know, 277 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: stolen goods, yeah, anything, or if you you worked with 278 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: a psychic or a medium and nothing came of it 279 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: or the information was wrong. I'd love to hear either way. 280 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: And of course every time that we asked for the 281 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: best part of this show, which is your stories, your emails, 282 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: your ideas for future topics, we like to show improve 283 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: that it's not all just a bunch of malarkey, which 284 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: means it's almost time for shot at Kinners. But first, 285 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: a teeny, kindy little sponsor break. Today's first shout out 286 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: goes to Ned Kelly's Revenge from Twitter. Just listen to 287 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: your political conspiracy episode and half of that episode is 288 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: now fact you guys have to be psychic or nostre 289 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: damast two point oh or something. This. I love this, 290 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: this tweet because it's shortened all of the letters. It's 291 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: letters and numbers and not actual words for most of 292 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: it because you had to shorten it. I love it. Yeah, 293 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: thanks so much for writing to us on Twitter. You 294 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: know that I always initially hesitant about that one because, uh, 295 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: talking about politics on the internet, which I would kunt 296 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: of podcast as as well, can so quickly become incredibly unproductive. 297 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: So I, for one, I'm really glad that you found 298 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: it worth your time and thanks so much for checking 299 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: out the show. The next shout out goes to Alex Willits, 300 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: who wrote to us on Facebook. Alex wants us to 301 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: cover some more unsolved crime topics. He's interesting it specifically 302 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: in cropsy, which isn't really an unsolved crime topic. It's 303 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: it's a legend, It's an urban legend, but it's still fascinating. Yeah, 304 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: there's a there's a great documentary on cropsy um that 305 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: I think one of you guys may have turned me onto. 306 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: But how how great your timing is, Alex. So we 307 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: hope that you enjoyed today's episode on Tara Cita Bassa. 308 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: And our last shout out for this episode comes from 309 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: Christopher Rogers, who says, can you delve into the topic 310 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: of water? The local and state governments make farmers in 311 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: my region pay tax on the water that falls into 312 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: their dams and creeks. The bloody state Housing Authority has 313 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: stopped installing rainwater tanks onto state housing because rainwater is dangerous. 314 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: Why does it seem like someone wants control over the 315 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: water supply and what authority do they have to make 316 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: me pay for this stuff when it falls from the sky. 317 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: You know, that's a question we've heard before, and it's 318 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: still a good one. Christophers from Australia. I don't know 319 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: exactly what region he's from, but that is fascinating and 320 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: he wants us to cover water. I'm down, yeah, I 321 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: think that's I think that's a great idea. We did 322 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: an earlier series on water wars and we also looked 323 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: at contamination there in Flint, Michigan. So this concludes our gosh, 324 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: we hope you enjoyed this episode. If you want to 325 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: learn more about the case of Tara Sea Bassa, head 326 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: on over to archives dot Chicago Tribune dot com and 327 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: you could do a search for a tarrasee to Bassa. 328 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: You can do a search for some of the dates 329 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: that we talked about in the episode, and you can 330 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: find copies of the actual original reports, the physical papers 331 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: that came out in the seventies, eighties, and nineties and 332 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: really kind of follow the paper trail, which is what 333 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: we did to make this episode. I would say it's 334 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: exciting and it really gets your mind going. You can 335 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: find an article from two thousand in the Weekly World News, 336 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: which is something our coworker Josh Clark has talked about 337 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: for a publication about some of them less than reputable 338 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: things you'll find in that publication. But in this story, 339 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: it talks specifically about about Remy Chua's actions while she 340 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: was at work, uh and you know, take them with 341 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: a grain of salt if you want, but it talks 342 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: about how she would sit at the same place at 343 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: the lunch table where where everyone would gather to have 344 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: lunch there at the hospital. She would sit in the 345 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: same place that Tara Sea Bassa used to sit, and 346 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: she would sing quietly to herself the way miss Bassa 347 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: would do. And this was all leading up to the 348 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: stories of that her husband was giving about her going 349 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: into trances on their bed at home. And you know, 350 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: it's fascinating to read this stuff. It reads like a 351 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: Hollywood film, and you know, perhaps there's a reason for that, 352 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: or perhaps it's true, and it's just hard to imagine. 353 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: And that would once also ask for people to don't 354 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: don't feel like you can't write to us just because 355 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: you're not uh, you're not a member of law enforcement. 356 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: People run into allegations of psychic activity all the time, 357 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: and many of us listening or even creating shows like 358 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: this or investigations like this, do so because we have 359 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: found things that we cannot at this point explain, and 360 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: it may be just as presumptuous to make the mistakes 361 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people who I guess confuse themselves for 362 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: skeptics make by automatically saying that you know something is 363 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: because something is strange or currently inexplicable, that it's automatically 364 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: bunk with this. With this case, there's not any There's 365 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: not any case I could find in my research of 366 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: terasea basa um or excuse me, remi chua being investigated 367 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: or tested for any kind of extrasensory perception or so on. 368 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: And the truth of the matter is that had that 369 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: testing occurred and presuced produced some sort of statistically significant result, 370 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: then we probably would have heard of it, and you 371 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: probably would have heard of this case before. Still, ultimately, 372 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: and this is only my opinion here, the most important 373 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: thing is that the killer was apprehended, and finding the 374 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 1: real murderer instead of someone who's falsely convicted or instead 375 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: of just someone who gets away, is something that is 376 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: um extremely important, and I'm not, you know, at all 377 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: condoning bending the rules of the law, although I'm sure 378 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: statistically that happens as well. You know, Ben I, I I 379 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: can't agree with you more. And I to kind of 380 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: give some context with this case, I'm going to read 381 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: a quote that comes from the Chicago Tribune says we 382 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: asked detective Statue, who broke the case, if he believed 383 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: the US He said, quote, I would not call anyone 384 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: a liar. If they had said they heard a voice 385 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: from God, I would listen. It would be wrong for 386 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: me to cut off in informant. I talked to pimps, prostitutes, 387 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: drug addicts in the Belmont area. Doctor and Mrs Chewa 388 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: are educated, intelligent people who live in a ninety thousand 389 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: dollar house. It's a distinct change for me. I wanted 390 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: information on this murder. I listened and acted on what 391 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: they told me. We went after Alan Showery. The case 392 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: was wrapped up within three hours. End quote. Thank you 393 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: so much for listening. Everyone. We would like to hear 394 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: your stories if you have similar stories of experiences like 395 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: this in law enforcement or not in law enforcement, in 396 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: any kind of forensic investigation. UH and maybe any thing 397 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: you encountered that you thought was just beyond the bounds 398 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: of rational explanation. 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