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Speaker 1: This is One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, how are we doing here on this mini

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Speaker 2: camp week Monday? Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you here

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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live. We are radio only today because

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Speaker 2: this is the day when the players do all of

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Speaker 2: their in house media obligations and they use our studio

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Speaker 2: to do it. So, uh, we basically do the show

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Speaker 2: from home on this day every year, and this is

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Speaker 2: the day and then we'll be back in the studio

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Speaker 2: tomorrow and everybody will be able to watch practice as

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Speaker 2: we get back out on the practice field for mandatory

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Speaker 2: mini camp.

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Speaker 3: The players do, we watch, and it is mandatory.

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Speaker 2: So I know that people will be looking for some

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Speaker 2: of the guys that haven't made all the practices through

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Speaker 2: the course of the spring. Here and Steve, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you nor I have made much of

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Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs's absence because he's not He hasn't been here

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Speaker 2: for a lot of the voluntary stuff in previous years,

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Speaker 2: and I think our anticipation is he will be there tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: So for us it's much ado about nothing. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know you stand on that.

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Speaker 4: No, true, he doesn't bother me, I'm not at all

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Speaker 4: upset that he's not here. He's gonna be fine. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's going to he's gonna he's gonna be there when

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Speaker 4: he wants to be there. Even the man, I'm not

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Speaker 4: even upset if he wants to pay the fines and

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Speaker 4: guy you need. It's a it's absolutely in my mind, Brownie.

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Speaker 4: Logistically speaking, it's it's better for everybody else if he's

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Speaker 4: not there. Everybody else gets more reps he's not gonna get.

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Speaker 4: You know, they're gonna it allows him to evaluate everybody

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Speaker 4: else because if he's there, he's taking the number one reps.

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Speaker 4: If he's not, everybody moves up the totem pole. There's

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Speaker 4: more reps to go around. Uh And Josh doesn't have

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Speaker 4: to throw him the football all the time. He can

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Speaker 4: throw it to these other guys and find out about him.

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Speaker 4: Having step not there removes a big presence and a

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Speaker 4: big amount of attention by the coaching staff and the

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Speaker 4: offense and Ken Dorsey and Josh Allen to a guy

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Speaker 4: who's who doesn't need it right now. He doesn't need

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Speaker 2: Leave it to Steve tasker to find the silver lining

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Speaker 2: in either situation. So mandatory Mini camp starts tomorrow, and

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Speaker 2: it'll be our last look really this week at the

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Speaker 2: players and how things are coming along on offense, defense,

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Speaker 2: special teams respectively, until training camp. So this is our

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Speaker 2: last set of spring practices to kind of assess the roster,

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Speaker 2: and we have some assessing to do with you, which

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Speaker 2: we'll get into in a second here, But first we

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Speaker 2: get Steve to the Bills news that transpired over the

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Speaker 2: course of the weekend and Von Miller in a report

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Speaker 2: from the Buffalo News Ryan o'hallan, I believe that the story,

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Speaker 2: Vaughn basically declared that his acl is healed based on

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Speaker 2: what he is getting from his doctor concerning his surgically

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Speaker 2: against Detroit. So the direct quote was, I have good

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Speaker 2: information from my doctor and my knee is all healed up.

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Speaker 2: It's all about me and how confident I can be

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Speaker 2: over the next three months. Now, that last part of

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Speaker 2: the sentence, Steve is a lot of what we typically

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Speaker 2: hear from Vaughn. He is resolutely positive and that's a

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Speaker 2: things into existence. I'm not debating whether he's healed. If

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Speaker 2: his doctor says he's healed, well, then he's healed. But

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Speaker 4: I think that may be the way he does business.

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Speaker 4: We've all heard him the things that he says. You know,

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Speaker 4: they're full of wisdom, but they're also full of you know, optimism. Right,

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Speaker 4: There's no question that a lot of guys, you know,

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Speaker 4: Tredavious White, other guys around the league. It takes everybody

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Speaker 4: a different amount of time to come back from an injury. Now,

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Speaker 4: all these injuries are different and in subtle ways. But

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Speaker 4: a guy like Vaughn He's shown even in twenty thirteen

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Speaker 4: I don't know whether he spoke that into existence, but

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Speaker 4: Some guys have no problem going out there and just

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Speaker 3: There just seems to be the former.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he seems to be a guy like, Hey,

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Speaker 4: if you tell me it's okay and I ain't gonna

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Speaker 4: hurt it any worse, I'm gonna go push it. Some

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Speaker 4: bunch of guys that way that just it takes them

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Speaker 4: a long time to get there.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to hear this because later on he said

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Speaker 2: a lot of what he said when he addressed the

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Speaker 2: media a couple of weeks ago at OTAs, which essentially

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Speaker 2: making it very clear that as much as he wants

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Speaker 2: be a unilateral decision on his part. He is going

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Speaker 2: to welcome consensus on that front. And if the other

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Speaker 2: parties involved in this decision decide he has to wait

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Speaker 2: to make sure he's good for maybe the more important

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Speaker 2: parts of the season down the stretch the postseason. Then

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Speaker 2: he seems fully prepared to live with that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree. Yeah, I think he's I think

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Speaker 4: long way, which says a lot about McDermott being Nate

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Speaker 4: Breski Vaughn as coaches. I think it's one of the

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Speaker 4: this is a culture that guys trust those together. They're

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Speaker 4: their they've put their money, so to speak, where their

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Speaker 4: mouth is on a number of occasions. Dakwan Jones. There's

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Speaker 4: some teams over there that would have played Dakwan Jones

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Speaker 4: There are teams that would have put pushed Trey White

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Speaker 4: you know, while the player has the ability to call

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Speaker 4: that makes an absolutely enormous difference for a lot of players.

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Speaker 4: And I think Vaughn telling people, listen, I trust these guys.

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Speaker 4: He said it. He's he's gonna. It's not just Vaughn

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Speaker 4: that goes a long way in the locker room. And

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Speaker 4: I think it's it shows itself once again for us here.

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Speaker 3: Now this was eye opening.

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Speaker 2: He did say he has to start working on his

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Speaker 2: conditioning and position specific drills to transition back into a

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Speaker 2: football player, not just a guy who is rehabbing and

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Speaker 3: I guess, for lack of a better term, game strong.

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Speaker 2: If you will, he said, hopefully you can do it

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Speaker 2: ready on my third month.

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Speaker 4: Well you got yeah. You gotta be ready. You gotta

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Speaker 4: be able to move and do anything you want on

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: So here we are in June, so you're talking July, August, September.

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Speaker 2: So if he's doing that now and he thinks three

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Speaker 3: That week one game.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's right there was what's today June twelfth,

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Speaker 2: right three months from now? Is you know, September eleventh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's he's right on the

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Speaker 4: mar He's not just throwing those out there. He's looked

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Speaker 4: at the calendar, no question, And I would say, knowing

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Speaker 4: him and that that's where it would be. Even if

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Speaker 4: of September eleventh, or August eleventh, if it was not

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Speaker 4: September eleventh, I think that's the target date. So these

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Speaker 4: mentally for that day. What No matter when it is,

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Speaker 4: but there's no question he's thrown it out there, and

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Speaker 4: going and how that looks. Closer and closer they get.

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Speaker 2: I would say too that no matter what kind of

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Speaker 2: are already speculating does he go on active pup is

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Speaker 2: you know that kind of stuff? What's his designation going

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Speaker 2: to be at the outset of camp? I think if

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Speaker 2: even as encouraging as it is, they are totally pacing

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Speaker 2: this guy through the training camp practices, they are putting

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Speaker 3: And I'm just going to.

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Speaker 2: Say it, I would be stunned if they put him

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Speaker 4: Oh there's no snow way. I mean it could. I mean, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: He's not playing in the preseason.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think any of these guys are. I

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Speaker 4: don't you know, Josh played like what he played a

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Speaker 4: half last year.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember now, I think he played his games.

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Speaker 2: Get fuzzy for me, real fast.

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Speaker 4: Right, There's only three of them. And I remember last

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Speaker 4: year I went to Carolina and nobody played Chica. Wasn't Chicago,

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Speaker 4: wasn't Chicago last year? I can't even remember, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: nobody played in those games. And Vaughn's not going to

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Speaker 4: get a real strong idea. I don't think they'll hide anything.

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Speaker 4: Vaughn's not the kind of guy who's going to say, hey,

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Speaker 4: Nobody knows I'm going to play right. I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: and he's going to scare the other team. That's not

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Speaker 4: gonna happen. We're going to know exactly when Vaughn's going

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Speaker 4: to give it a go for real, one hundred per

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Speaker 4: we'll have it. I think they'll give us a heads up,

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Speaker 4: say hey, listen, he's he's working towards it, and he's

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Speaker 4: going to try and this week looks good. He's going

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Speaker 4: to take all the reps in practice. Here we go.

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Speaker 4: That kind of thing, whether that's the week before week

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Speaker 4: one or two weeks before week one or whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's going to be no doubt what

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Speaker 4: day that's going to be when he comes back. I

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Speaker 4: don't think they'll be. I don't think they'll be. As

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Speaker 4: they may limit his reps, but that'll be them, not him.

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Speaker 2: I think yes, I would tend to agree Bill, and

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Speaker 2: they've done that before with other players right, keep them

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Speaker 4: I'll say this more than anything else, some of the things,

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Speaker 4: you know, and the injuries that I remember myself in

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Speaker 4: incurring and coming back and talking to guys and being

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Speaker 4: What would you do though, all of a sudden, if

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Speaker 4: Tennessee signs DeAndre Hopkins and the Giants trade for Derrick Henry,

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Speaker 4: you know, then what Saquon Barkley do, Then then.

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Speaker 3: He's he's probably out of luck.

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Speaker 2: But the Giants would have to rescind their franchise tag. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: or orchestrate a trade of some kindright, Barkley, Or rescind

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Speaker 2: the tag and let him go and be a free agent.

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Speaker 4: Or trade him with the tag and let the Tennessee

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Speaker 4: Titans talk to him and let them pay him. Maybe

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Speaker 4: they like Saquon better than Derrick Henry. You can get

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Speaker 4: Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 3: For attle younger.

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Speaker 4: He's much younger. Derek Henry's got seventeen hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: carries on his on his resume, which so he's got

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Speaker 4: another year before that dreaded analytics number hits him in

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Speaker 4: the face.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that Saquon's doing this because he can

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Speaker 4: he didn't have to go to those things. He doesn't

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Speaker 4: need to. He's got this franchise tag hanging out there.

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Speaker 4: He probably knows from now if he's been turning this

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Speaker 4: stuff down. He knows how bad that what the Giants

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Speaker 4: are willing to do it least to get him, so

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Speaker 4: he doesn't have to hurry in, right.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Yeah, We'll get to some other details around

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Speaker 2: the NFL, maybe a little bit later on in the show,

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Speaker 2: because a couple of them do pertain to our topic

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Speaker 2: of discussion today. As Steve and I are assessing where

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Speaker 2: head coach Sean McDermott says, it starts up front and

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Speaker 2: we are asking you on the tweet sheet today because

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Speaker 2: we can't take phone calls in our remote format, so

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Speaker 2: we apologize for that. But on the tweet sheet today,

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Speaker 2: which side of the ball will make the biggest jump

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Speaker 2: this season, the defensive line or the offensive line. We

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Speaker 2: know that heavy investment has been made in the defensive

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Speaker 2: line over the last several years. It was the highest

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Speaker 2: turnover position last year for this roster, and they've continued

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Speaker 2: to add even as late as last week with the

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Speaker 2: signing of Leonard Floyd. Offensive line, meanwhile, saw a heavy

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Speaker 2: investment in the guard position, David Edwards, Connor McGovern and

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Speaker 2: then in the draft Osirius Torrence a second round draft

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Speaker 2: choice among others. So, with the new additions and you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of a new approach, which side of.

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Speaker 3: The ball makes a bigger jump? O line or D line.

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Speaker 2: Pick your side and let us know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: where where do you kind of come down on this, Steve,

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Speaker 2: because for a while there I was like, oh, you

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Speaker 2: know what upgrade and running back. You add that in

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Speaker 2: with some beefy guards. You know, you don't have to

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Speaker 2: let Josh handle short yardage. Maybe you can run more

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Speaker 2: effectively between the tackles and man easy decision. It's O Line,

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Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd all by himself.

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Speaker 3: Steve has me.

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Speaker 2: Guess my second guessing myself in that initial thought.

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Speaker 4: Well, the Bills pass rush was middle of the road

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Speaker 4: last year.

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Speaker 2: Right, eighteenth and sack percentage.

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Speaker 4: Right so they were a little below that. So and

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Speaker 4: their offensive line was just okay, although the you know,

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Speaker 4: the offense was the second in the league in scoring.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they so they did some great things. They

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Speaker 4: are great good pass protectors. That kind of thing, Josh

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Speaker 4: makes them better obviously, But you're right, Brownie. The addition

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Speaker 4: even it's just the three editions you talk about, and

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Speaker 4: well the four now, I would say was Shelley the

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Speaker 4: right that tackle in the building. You look at McGovern,

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Speaker 4: David Edwards and Osiris Torrance at guard, those three of them, Uh,

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Speaker 4: they're better automatically. That doesn't sound I'm not saying anything

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Speaker 4: about Baits and Butker. Those guys are nice players and stuff.

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Speaker 4: But Baits is better because he's very so he can

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Speaker 4: move around and fill a gap when you have an injury.

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Speaker 4: But then you've got Shelley now as competition for Spencer Brown.

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Speaker 4: Brandon Shell, right, Brandon Shell, not Shelley Brandon Shell. So

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Speaker 4: they I mean this is that it's a revamped group

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Speaker 4: with with some quality depth. I mean, kessen Berry is

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Speaker 4: still in the building, but he's you know, he was

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Speaker 4: you know, he's long in the tooth that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: But they've even they've even upgraded their depth, if with

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Speaker 4: even with kessen Berry on the on the squad on

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Speaker 4: the other side of the ball. It's more to me,

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Speaker 4: not only about Leonard Floyd, who is I'm like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: that was that was a coup. The other thing is

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Speaker 4: the simple fact of the matter is Brownie health, Fin

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Speaker 4: will be healthy, Harrison Uh, Jordan Phillip's gonna be healthy,

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Speaker 4: day Kwon Jones will be healthy. Ed Oliver's new got

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Speaker 4: a new contract. He's gonna hopefully be highly motivated. They

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Speaker 4: got some dudes already over there, and now you're looking

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Speaker 4: at a point where people are talking about and you

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Speaker 4: and I have had the conversation as well, where you

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Speaker 4: got guys with some draft chops like aj Epanessa, Boogie Basham,

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Speaker 4: these guys Greg Russeau, shack Lass and their trade bait.

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Speaker 4: Because you're so deep out there, so one or two

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Speaker 4: of them is not all of them. But you know

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Speaker 4: you're none of those. Those guys aren't going to be round.

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Speaker 4: There's not enough room for them.

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Speaker 3: There's not enough spots.

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Speaker 4: Right you try and tell me the offensive line or

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Speaker 4: defensive line. There's reason you and I have said it.

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Speaker 4: Not not too many people are talking about it, because

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Speaker 4: I mean, you and I sometimes are yelling into a

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Speaker 4: bucket that's stuck over our head. But the Bills are

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Speaker 4: better than they were a year ago, and it starts

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Speaker 4: with both offensive and defensive line. This is a really

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Speaker 4: good question I think today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you let us know which side of the

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Speaker 2: ball will make the biggest jump this season, the defensive

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Speaker 2: line or the offensive line. With the reinforcements signed through

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Speaker 2: the course of this off season, we're taking all your

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Speaker 2: answers today on the tweet sheet at one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Since we're not in a capacity to take calls. Apologize

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Speaker 2: for that, but we look forward to your comments on

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Speaker 2: the tweet sheet when we return here on One Bill's

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Speaker 2: Live presented by Kalida Health, it's Buffalo Bills right, Welcome

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Speaker 2: back One Bill's Live here on a Monday mandatory mini

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Speaker 2: camp week.

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Speaker 3: Chris brownste a tasker with you.

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Speaker 2: And talking about the guys in the trenches. Which side

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Speaker 2: of the ball do you think will make the biggest

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Speaker 2: jump this season, the defensive line or the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: A reminder, we are radio only today and because we

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Speaker 2: are in two different locations, we're not able to take

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Speaker 2: phone calls. Apologize for that, but we are taking your

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Speaker 2: comments on the tweet sheets, So hit us up at

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Speaker 2: one Bills Live and we'll be happy to get some

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Speaker 2: of yours on.

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Speaker 3: As you pick a side of.

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Speaker 2: The line of scrimmage, and as Steve and I outlined

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Speaker 2: in the opening segment, it's not like there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of improvement they can make in too many different areas.

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Speaker 2: I think on the defensive line, they would certainly like

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Speaker 2: to increase their sack percentage, where they finished eighteenth, and

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Speaker 2: they finished fifteenth in past defense, one of their lower

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Speaker 2: rankings in the McDermott Era.

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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people would chalk that up.

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Speaker 2: To the myriad of injuries they had, particularly in the secondary,

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Speaker 2: with Micah Hyde missing all the two games, Trey White

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Speaker 2: not coming back until Thanksgiving, and Jordan Poyer missing five

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Speaker 2: games and looking like a cyboard by the end of

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Speaker 2: the season with all the raps he had on his body.

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Speaker 2: So I think that would be the ground to gain

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Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. On the offensive side,

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Speaker 2: Steve everything was pretty much top ten. I mean, seventh

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Speaker 2: in rushing, seventh in passing, eighth in sack percentage allowed,

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Speaker 2: and ninth in the red zone. Those are their lowest

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Speaker 2: rankings on offense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a lot of people who have gotten

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Speaker 4: back to us and give us feedback. They felt like, well,

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Speaker 4: the offensive line had a longer way to go. It was,

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Speaker 4: you know, they didn't run. Simple fact of the matter

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Speaker 4: is the offensive line, statistically speaking, played better than the

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Speaker 4: defensive line did a year ago when you compare them

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Speaker 4: to the other offensive lines around the league and all

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Speaker 4: of that. I think people find that hard to believe.

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Speaker 4: But you forget most people are caught up in the

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Speaker 4: offense because defense is a little bit like hieroglyphics. Is

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Speaker 4: how a hard time reading it? What are they trying

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Speaker 4: to do? It's just they think everything should be man

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Speaker 4: to man when you know, they don't really watch about

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Speaker 4: how they adjust zone coverages and check to movement and

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Speaker 4: all of that. So offense is all about scoring points.

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Speaker 4: The Bills offense was really good last year, but at

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Speaker 4: times it looked hard. You know, some teams gave them

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Speaker 4: some problems defensively, so they chalk it up so wow,

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Speaker 4: the offensive line must not have played very well. In actuality,

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Speaker 4: the offensive line for the Bills played way better than

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of average fans, including Bills fans,

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Speaker 4: give it credit for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I yeah, I was even I was a little

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Speaker 2: surprised that everything was pretty much top ten across the port.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was impressive.

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Speaker 2: I mean I knew they ranked very highly in some

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Speaker 2: specific categories, you know, first and third down conversion rate,

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Speaker 2: second in points, second in total yards, and number three

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Speaker 2: in yards per play.

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Speaker 4: I think one thing we kind of get caught up

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Speaker 4: to when you sit here from this end of it, Brownie,

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Speaker 4: and after the season's over and you start looking back,

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Speaker 4: there's no doubt the Bills have a quarterback that covers

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Speaker 4: a multitude of sins. Sure, you know, an offensive lineman whiffs,

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter. Touchdown, right, offensive lineman whiffs again, that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: Josh runs for a first down. You know that kind

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Speaker 4: of thing. It just overcomes a lot of that. There's

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Speaker 4: no way to do that when you're on defense. If

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Speaker 4: you got the best defensive corner ever to put on

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Speaker 4: a jersey for any team, anytime, anywhere, that's great. One

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Speaker 4: guy's not going to catch a pass on your offense

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Speaker 4: as long as that guy's lined up with him right.

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Speaker 4: So it's hard for one guy on defense to rise

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Speaker 4: a quarterback can offensively. So I think, you know you've

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Speaker 4: got to throw that into the mix, no question. But man,

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Speaker 4: oh man, Josh consistently runs on cald runs less and

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Speaker 4: less every year. So the stuff you see in the

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Speaker 4: running game is a little bit skewed away from the

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Speaker 4: offensive line. Certainly, they don't run the ball a ton,

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Speaker 4: but when they do they seem to be pretty productive. Now,

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Speaker 4: once in a while they get thrown for a loss

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Speaker 4: here lost there, but for the most part they snap off.

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Speaker 4: Even Devin Singletary snapped off some nice runs. So you know,

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Speaker 4: it's easy to sit here and say, you know, the

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Speaker 4: offense we didn't score we were number two in the league.

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Speaker 4: We didn't score enough points enough games for the offensive

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Speaker 4: line to really get a lot of credit. But I

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Speaker 4: don't know that most of us out there could dissect

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Speaker 4: it enough statistically and say, yeah, this is a good

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Speaker 4: offensive line play, bad offensive line play. When you look

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Speaker 4: at it from this end, it's easy to say they

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Speaker 4: had a really really good season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly though by virtue of their offseason investment, they

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Speaker 2: felt upgrades were necessary at the guard position, just by

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Speaker 2: the volume in which they added at that roster and

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Speaker 2: didn't bring back some people that were on this roster

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Speaker 2: from last season, you know, and then they've tried to

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Speaker 2: add depth at the offensive tackle position, as you mentioned

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Speaker 2: with Brandon Shell among others. But let's go to the

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Speaker 2: tweet sheet and see what you have in mind. Tweet

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Speaker 2: the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills, and

651
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Speaker 2: Jack leads us off when we ask which side of

652
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Speaker 2: the ball will make the biggest jump this season, d

653
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: liner O line. He says the O line guard was

654
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: a real weakness last year, and adding McGovern, Edwards and

655
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: Torrance to compete and upgrade the guard position will help

656
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: protect Alan and blast opened holes. Add in a healthy

657
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Speaker 2: Brown and Tommy Doyle and let's not sleep on Alec

658
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 2: Anderson to hopefully solidify right tackle.

659
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Speaker 3: Long list.

660
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Speaker 4: There excellent stuff from Jack. I mean he's obviously a

661
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Speaker 4: listener of the show. Yeah, so we've been saying right.

662
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Speaker 3: Here, like the same sleeper we do.

663
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Alec Anderson, I'm yeah, all of that stuff I will.

664
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Speaker 4: I can say I'm one hundred percent behind what Jack

665
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: said there on that tweet. That's exactly the way I

666
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 4: see it now. I don't know how that will manifest

667
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: itself or what it will look like, but let's let's

668
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 4: you know, because you got to think about it's hard

669
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Speaker 4: to quantify everything when you've got an off that already

670
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 4: was number two in the league in scoring, they were

671
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 4: the best team and third down cover they did all

672
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 4: this stuff so well last year. Is it gonna Are

673
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 4: we going to perceive it as being easier than it

674
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Speaker 4: was last year? Is that way it's going to look at?

675
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Speaker 2: The schedule is presumed to be harder, and obviously we

676
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 2: know it's a week to weekly league.

677
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Speaker 3: That could change between now and tomorrow all we know.

678
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Speaker 2: But the schedule, at least on the surface, appears more

679
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: difficult than last year. We'll have to see if that

680
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: proves to be the case. But if you want to

681
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: take that into account, you might say it it might

682
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Speaker 2: be a steeper hill to climb.

683
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Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, But once the season gets going and you're

684
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 4: in these games, nobody thinks about I mean once once

685
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: the game starts, we're not you know, you're not thinking about, wow,

686
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: this is hope we can win this game. When you

687
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 4: start playing well and you do it, you start to

688
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 4: expect it. Even during the middle of the game. You

689
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 4: expect this team to play well and they rarely disappoint.

690
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 4: That's right, But will they have stretches of the season

691
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: where it looks like they can't just can't eke out

692
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: a touchdown, can't score enough and like we said, are

693
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: they dropping footballs? Are they fumbling the ball away? Or

694
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: they turning it over in the red zone? That was

695
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 4: their penchant to do last year. Even with all of

696
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: that stuff. You know, they were number two in scoring

697
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Speaker 4: for the season. Can you imagine if this team would

698
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Speaker 4: have cut two of those three statistics in half? Red

699
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: zone turnovers or drops or turnovers in general.

700
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they might have been a one lost regular season.

701
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Speaker 4: They might have been a one loss regular season, might

702
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Speaker 4: have been a zero loss regular season team. I mean

703
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 4: that they lost it by a total of eight points

704
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 4: all season in three games in the regular season. Those

705
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 4: stats made a difference. And I don't know how much

706
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Speaker 4: the offensive line or defensive line is going to make

707
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Speaker 4: a difference in that. Certainly not the offensive side, but

708
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Speaker 4: you know, the offensive line, what are they going to do,

709
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 4: you know, keep a guy from getting one more hit

710
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 4: to cause a fumble?

711
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think their impact, if we're really

712
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: trying to gauge it from last year, may come in

713
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: a more consistent run game approach. I mean, they added

714
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Speaker 2: some beef between the tackles. I think they want to

715
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: run better inside than they did last year. When Josh

716
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: is not running and I think indication of that are

717
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: the powerbacks that they added in Damien Harris and Latavious Murray,

718
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: also two guys who almost never fumble, which you know,

719
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: turnovers were a problem last year. They were second in

720
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: the league in giveaways behind Houston, right.

721
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Speaker 3: So that's not by mistake.

722
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Speaker 2: And you know, you look at the size and the

723
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Speaker 2: girth of the men they added at the guard position,

724
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Speaker 2: I think it's a strong indication they not only want

725
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: to plow straight ahead between the tackles and the run

726
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: game a bit more often to finish games or whatever

727
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: the strategy is. I think they also want to protect

728
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: the integrity of the pocket, which is where Josh got

729
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: hurr last year.

730
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they guess.

731
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Speaker 2: Granted it was a guy coming off the edge, right,

732
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Speaker 2: but a lot of times it's because he can't step

733
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Speaker 2: up in the pocket, you know, to avoid the edge pressure.

734
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Speaker 2: So I think they want to improve the integrity of

735
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Speaker 2: the pocket. And with Beef your guys in there who

736
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Speaker 2: can maybe stand their ground more consistently.

737
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Speaker 3: Maybe that's the answer, right.

738
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Speaker 4: I think the offensive line is going to is about perception.

739
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Speaker 4: Is Josh does he have a clean pocket? Can he

740
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Speaker 4: find the ball down the field? Does he never get

741
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 4: not getting hit in there? Is he more? Does he

742
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Speaker 4: look comfortable back there? And when they hand it off,

743
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Speaker 4: can they run? I don't know that this offense, even

744
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Speaker 4: with the best offensive line in football, is going to

745
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 4: look markedly different than it did a year ago, you know.

746
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Speaker 4: I mean, they jump out to thirty one to ten

747
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Speaker 4: in week one, forty one seven in week two, Week three,

748
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Speaker 4: they get they melt against a fresh Dolphins team in

749
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 4: the heat, you know, and then they're often running again.

750
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Speaker 4: They another couple of wins. It's I just don't know

751
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Speaker 4: how you're gonna, you know, put your put our mind

752
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 4: around what it will look like. If the Bills do

753
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 4: have an enormous jump in production from their offensive line.

754
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 4: They're not gonna run the ball more times, you know

755
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 4: what I mean. I mean, they're not gonna come out

756
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 4: and and you know, start handing it off thirty five

757
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 4: forty times. They're not gonna do that. This is a

758
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 4: throwing league, and they're gonna do that. They got the

759
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 4: quarterbacks that does it. So I'm I think it's really

760
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: going to be interesting to how we perceive this all.

761
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 4: If they come out and they're way better, how are

762
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 4: we going to perceive it and give credit to the

763
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Speaker 4: offensive line. When you got number seventeen back there doing

764
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 4: all this stuff. I mean, it's gonna be We're gonna say, no,

765
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Speaker 4: it's josh, you know what I mean?

766
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So I don't know.

767
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Speaker 4: Is it strictly about in rushing numbers? Eh? Maybe, I

768
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm now defense. It's easier for most of

769
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Speaker 4: us because you know, I want to see you. I

770
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 4: want to see sacks. I want to see turnovers. You

771
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 4: know this defense last year and I big Yeah. You

772
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: want big plays from a defense. You want big plays.

773
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 4: Is that how it's going to be? And will that

774
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 4: be well, the fact that they get turnovers in the secondary,

775
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: will they credit that to the defensive line. I don't know,

776
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 4: but I think if they don't get more sacks, it's

777
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: going to be hard to make that case for the

778
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 4: defensive line.

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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but more of

780
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Speaker 2: your comments on the tweetsheet when we return. In addition

781
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: to this, Steve mentioned it in the first segment. You

782
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: got about ten defensive ends on this roster. They can

783
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: all make the fifty three, and some probably deserve to

784
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: play in this league even if they can't play here.

785
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Speaker 2: Is there a team out there looking for past rush help?

786
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Speaker 3: The answer is yes.

787
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Speaker 2: We'll tell you who when we return here on One

788
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Speaker 2: Bill's Live, presented by a Lot of Health.

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Speaker 3: It's Buffalo Bill's right here. We are One Bill's Live

790
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 3: on a Monday. Chris ground Steve Tasko me. We told

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Speaker 3: you before the break.

792
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Speaker 2: Steve mentioned earlier in the show that with nine defensive

793
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 2: ends on the roster, you know, they.

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Speaker 3: All can't make it.

795
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Speaker 2: I mean, even if they keep five like they did

796
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: last year, that's four guys that are out of luck.

797
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: Granted you can keep maybe one or two on the

798
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: practice squad, but there's still two that may not have

799
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: a place to be. And so that prompted Steve to,

800
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Speaker 2: you know, raise the possibility that you could have guys

801
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: that you could move via trade and you know, maybe

802
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: get some draft capital in the future, back forward or

803
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: what have you. Well, there may be a team looking

804
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: for some pass rush help. The Jacksonville Jaguars. Doug Peterson,

805
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: head coach of the Jags, was asked about pursuing some

806
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: free agent pass rush help, and he said, there are

807
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: still some free agents out there, but something has to

808
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: fit our roster and our structure. Financially, there will be

809
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: guys we look at going into and coming out of

810
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: training camp, but those are all things for conversations down

811
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Speaker 2: the road. So it sounds like Steve the Jaguars are

812
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: going to be a team that sees how things play

813
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: out across the league. Maybe somebody's flashing in a preseason

814
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: game that they have an interest in and they trade

815
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: for some pass rush help that could be a possible

816
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 2: trade partner come late August.

817
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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, defensive ends, particularly guys who can play at

818
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 4: that level we're talking about, are rare. I mean, the

819
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 4: Bills have been investing a lot of capital in it,

820
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Speaker 4: and they continue to with the signing of Leonard Floyd

821
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Speaker 4: and Shane Ray. I mean, they got guys, so they're

822
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: gonna get guys while they can. And then when some

823
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 4: of these guys start to pay pay off and pay

824
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: some dividends, well you got some guys who are still

825
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: either have some potential or some upside that they're not

826
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Speaker 4: going to get a chance to realize it with your club.

827
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Speaker 4: So I think it's really interesting to see how this

828
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Speaker 4: plays out in the preseason, no question, and yeah, Jacksonville

829
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 4: is an easy answer, but there are others thirty one.

830
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Speaker 4: Other teams thirty to thirty other teams other than Buffalo

831
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Speaker 4: and Jacksonville who are going to have their you know,

832
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 4: their periscopes up trying to find somebody to get him

833
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 4: out of that and you know, I get him out

834
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Speaker 4: of some pass rush problems. There's a ton of teams

835
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: out there that would that are going to be in

836
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Speaker 4: the market.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The only potential fly in the ointment with Jacksonville as

839
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: a potential trade partner is they play a three to four.

840
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 3: Not that that would remove.

841
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: The possibility if you have a guy that's not scheme specific,

842
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: you know that it doesn't really matter.

843
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: Right, but it will for some.

844
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Speaker 3: But it's not like.

845
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Speaker 2: They're devoid of pass rusher Steve. I mean they have

846
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Speaker 2: Josh Allen and Trey Von Walker, the number one pick

847
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: in the draft last year. I mean those are two

848
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: first round draft choices from the last four drafts. It's

849
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Speaker 2: what's behind them.

850
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: It's a depth issue for them.

851
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Speaker 2: They have Klevon Chason, who was their number one pick

852
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, but he's been a veritable disappointment.

853
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Speaker 3: I'm out of LSU.

854
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: So really it's those first two guys, and then after

855
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: that there's a sharp drop off, so they're looking for

856
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: pass rush depth unquestionably, but you may need a specific

857
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: skill set to line up standing up at that outside linebackers.

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Speaker 4: And it's above it's above my knowledge or understanding or

859
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 4: you know, familiarity with any of the guys that we're

860
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 4: talking about, whether it's you know, the guys that the

861
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 4: Bills of draft, either Boogie or Shack or aj A Panessa.

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00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 4: You would think Greg Russou's pretty safe, but I don't

863
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 4: know if any of them. Epineza when he came out,

864
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: probably is the guy who you could think of maybe

865
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Speaker 4: you could slide down to a defensive end spot in

866
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Speaker 4: a three to four. But like I said, there's gonna

867
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Speaker 4: be plenty of spots and plenty of teams who are

868
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 4: gonna say, you know what about it. They're gonna be

869
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: kicking the tires on these guys, so.

870
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: They know the Bills have one of the best rosters

871
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: in the league. So yeah, right, if you're a GM

872
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: and need to help, it only makes sense to call.

873
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: Brandon Bee and and they may. If these trades do

874
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 4: not happen, they'll be circling like vultures on cutdown day,

875
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 4: as will the Bills the Bills do that every year

876
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 4: as well. Now they're you know, I don't know that

877
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 4: they're gonna have any room for their guy or anybody

878
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 4: on the cut line. For anybody else is gonna be

879
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 4: appealing to the Bills, because I don't think there's a

880
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe you could make a case at this

881
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: point before training camp that maybe they'd circle the like

882
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 4: vultures around a team that has a lot of good

883
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 4: middle linebackers. You know, maybe they're gonna pick up a

884
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 4: guy that they think is better than the guys they've

885
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 4: got or coming out of training camp. But I like

886
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 4: you bump Brownie and we'll talk about this, you know,

887
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 4: as we go down through training camp. I think the

888
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 4: Bills believe that in middle linebacker, the replacement for Tremaine

889
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 4: Edmonds is on the roster right now.

890
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would tend to agree with that based on

891
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: what we've seen and how they've lined people up, and

892
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: really we haven't even heard them through the course of

893
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: the off season really even kicking the tires on a

894
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: free agent at the middle linebacker position.

895
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would tend to.

896
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: Agree with you on that, Yeah, wholeheartedly. We have to

897
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: take a break here because in our number two. We

898
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: will be joined by Bill's radio color analyst, former cenater

899
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: Eric Wood. Haven't talked to him all off season.

900
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 3: We've given him a very very long time datus.

901
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: It is time to press him back into action and

902
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: we will be doing that in our number two and

903
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: we'll talk to O Line D Line with him as

904
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: well when we return here on One Bill's Live presented

905
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: by to a Lot of Health, It's Buffalo Bills.

906
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: Break this One Bill's Live presented by called Lida.

907
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: Help all right?

908
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: Our number two here on One Bill's Live on a Monday,

909
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve's Ask Review and happy to be joined

910
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 2: now by Bill's radio color analyst and former Bill center

911
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: Eric Would.

912
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: Longtime, no talk. Eric? Are you hitting him straight? And

913
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: you know, picking picking the right horses? What's going on?

914
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

915
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 5: I've been hitting it a lot, not always straight on

916
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 5: the golf course. And I did not have the Bellmont winner.

917
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 5: I don't think many people.

918
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 6: Did that that. I can't even remember the name of

919
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 6: the horse that one.

920
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: Arcangelo.

921
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 6: I think Arcangelo, that's right. But anyways, no life, life

922
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 6: is good.

923
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 5: Enjoying the summer and enjoy some time off before we

924
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 5: hit the ground run and come early August.

925
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 4: Well, you're a good one to ask him. Glad you're

926
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 4: have we have you on because we got this question

927
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 4: about you know which which group is going to take

928
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 4: a bigger step forward this year. The offensive line of

929
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 4: the Bills are the defensive line of the Bills, and

930
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 4: you go back and look at what they did last year. Statistically,

931
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 4: the offensive line was significantly ranked higher than the defensive line. Now, granted,

932
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 4: the defense as a whole was ranked much even higher

933
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 4: than the offense, but they were both top three, top

934
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 4: five units. It's hard to get away from how good

935
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 4: both sides of the ball played. What are you What

936
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 4: is your take on the changes that have been made

937
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: on both sides up front for the Bills.

938
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's the opportunity to have upgrades on

939
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 5: both sides of the ball with with the investments that

940
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 5: have been made, whether that's through the draft or through

941
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 5: free agency. Connor McGovern comes over from Dallas, one of

942
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 5: the biggest signings in free agency, and then they've continued

943
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 5: to add guys like David Andrews, Brandon Schell on the

944
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 5: offensive line, and then of course they draft Osirius Torrence

945
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 5: in the second round out of Florida. So there's gonna

946
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 5: be a lot of competition, I feel like on that

947
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 5: offensive line to see who's gonna really play those two

948
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 5: guard spots. We assume Spencer Brown will be back at

949
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 5: right tackle, but he could have some competition as well.

950
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 6: There, Dion Docketts, Mitch Morse.

951
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 5: They'll be set in place at left tackle and center,

952
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 5: and then McGovern we assume he'll be playing left guard,

953
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 5: but on that right side, there's gonna be some competition

954
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 5: and that'll bring out hopefully bring out the best in

955
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 5: that unit. You know, Josh Allen's talked about how he's

956
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 5: looking to improve his eyes, which maybe gets the ball

957
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 5: out of his hands a little bit quicker, makes better decisions.

958
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 5: You know, I would assume with some of the investment

959
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 5: at running back that they run the ball at maybe

960
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 5: a much more this year. But all that being said,

961
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 5: you know, the offensive line had had a solid year

962
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 5: last year and really has the opportunity to upgrade with

963
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 5: some of the guys that have come in this year.

964
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 6: And then along the.

965
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 5: Defensive line, I think part of it depends on when

966
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 5: von Miller's back, and I understand he got some good

967
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 5: news as of late, but you know, if he's starting

968
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 5: off the season healthy and ready to roll, and you

969
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 5: add a Leonard Floyd on the outside, you know, I

970
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 5: think the pass rush could be improved there.

971
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 6: And then on the inside, it seems like they got

972
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 6: a little bit bigger.

973
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 5: You bringing up poona Ford maybe that you know, combined

974
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 5: with Daikwon Jones at times you put both of them

975
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 5: out there, Okay, now becomes a lot tougher to run

976
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 5: on the interior of the Bills defense.

977
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 6: And you know, time will tell, and I don't even

978
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:48,959
Speaker 6: know how much.

979
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 5: Of it we'll get to see in the preseason, what

980
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 5: these new changes with the Bill's defense with Sean McDermott

981
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 5: calling the plays this year.

982
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 6: But I think that defensive line if you had.

983
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 5: To, if you put me up to the question of

984
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 5: which could make the bigger jump, I would say the

985
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 5: Bills defensive line. And you know, I just feel like

986
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 5: this year, one of the things we got to see

987
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 5: is is a four man pass rush, so not blitzing,

988
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 5: creating just a pressure on the quarterback with the four

989
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 5: man rush, and I think those additions could help with that.

990
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I did want to get your take on

991
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: Poonaford specifically, Eric, because it's a guy that's built so

992
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 2: low to the ground, but he has I don't want

993
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: to say unusually long, but longer arms than you would

994
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: expect from such a squatty player. So maybe just talk

995
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 2: about the combination of him being so low to the

996
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: ground you can't get under his chest plate if you're

997
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: over six foot, and then his arms are reaching you

998
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 2: sooner than you expect because they're longer than most short guys.

999
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: So what kind of problems does that present for a

1000
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: guy like yourself playing on the other side.

1001
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a nightmare for a center, especially a taller center.

1002
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 5: I played at six foot four, and those guys that

1003
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 5: were shorter, you know, I think back to maybe events

1004
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 5: will fork and I'm not saying he's sure, but he

1005
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 5: was maybe six ' one. And those guys that are

1006
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 5: lower to the ground at times, they're harder to move.

1007
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 5: And then you know, you got to be a certain

1008
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 5: amount of height to be able to carry three hundred

1009
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 5: and something pounds, and you know, so it's kind of

1010
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 5: that five to eleven to six y one, those guys

1011
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 5: were really tough to move because they're so low to

1012
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 5: the ground. That does give you an advantage, and then

1013
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 5: there's a reason that the NFL prioritizes arm length because

1014
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 5: especially on the line of scrimmage, it makes a big difference.

1015
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 5: When you can get your hands on someone and keep

1016
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 5: someone at length, it gives you the advantage. So I

1017
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 5: truly loved that pickup when the Bills were able to

1018
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 5: kind of take him in that second wave of free agency.

1019
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 5: I thought that was a very solid pickup. And you know,

1020
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 5: when you can have two steady run stuffers like a

1021
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 5: Daikwon Jones and then you add a Ford like they did,

1022
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 5: that can give you some flexibility in personnel that you

1023
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 5: can use to an advantage.

1024
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 4: And one of the things about this defense has been

1025
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 4: it's been so solid under Leslie. They've been really tough

1026
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 4: to move the football on all of that stuff. But

1027
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 4: the one thing when you look at them, they're just unspectacular.

1028
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 4: When you need a play sometimes they're they just they're

1029
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 4: they're solid, and they play goes off and if the

1030
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 4: offense makes it, play okay. But they just don't get

1031
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: they don't create a lot of sacks, they don't create

1032
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 4: a lot of havoc, and they don't get a lot

1033
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 4: of turnovers. What's it take for a team to have

1034
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 4: that as their personality. Obviously the numbers, but what different

1035
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 4: about a team that is able to do that and

1036
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 4: a team that doesn't get it done, particularly one that's

1037
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 4: been as talented as the Bills have been.

1038
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 5: I think a lot of it starts with the penetration

1039
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 5: of the defensive line. You know, when you can put

1040
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 5: pressure on a quarterback quickly, that is forcing him to

1041
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 5: make mistakes on the back end when he's throwing it.

1042
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 5: You know, that's where your sack fumbles, the strip, sacks, interceptions.

1043
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 5: A lot of that's coming from the penetration of the

1044
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 5: defensive line. And oftentimes it takes two. You know, we

1045
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 5: talk about it pretty often through the broadcast. We've talked

1046
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 5: about one Bills Live before. But just one player on

1047
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 5: the defensive line winning his pass rush rep. That doesn't

1048
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 5: necessarily equate to a sack. Very often, it generally takes

1049
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 5: two because the quarterback.

1050
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 6: Can avoid one. It's when there's multiple pressures.

1051
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 5: And so I don't know that the Bills will instantly

1052
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 5: become this blitzing machine under Sean McDermott, because even with

1053
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 5: when you look back to his time in Carolina as

1054
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 5: defensive coordinator, they weren't a huge blitzing team. But I

1055
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 5: do think you're gonna see a lot of penetration from

1056
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 5: this defensive line, and that comes from the personnel that

1057
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 5: they have. They extend at Oliver, you know, healthy at

1058
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 5: Oliver and some guys with some serious juice off the

1059
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 5: edge that can be the deciding factor that's going to

1060
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 5: create turnovers.

1061
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you mentioned Ed. That's why they really extended him, right,

1062
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 4: I mean, that guy is a penetrator and while he

1063
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 4: doesn't get a lot of sacks, doesn't you know, isn't

1064
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 4: one of those guys. He does get into the backfield consistently,

1065
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 4: even if he doesn't make the plays, and that really

1066
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 4: helps the guys around him. Right, Is that you think

1067
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 4: that's the reason they extended Ed.

1068
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got it.

1069
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have a guy that's young, he's been in

1070
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 5: your system. They obviously had the confidence of being around

1071
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 5: him on a day to day basis that he's going

1072
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 5: to continue to get better. And yes, you know, when

1073
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 5: you look at it, those three techniques they're not easy

1074
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 5: to find. You know, we can talk about how good

1075
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 5: Chris Jones is or the Fletcher Coxes and whoever may be,

1076
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 5: but they're just not that easy to find. And you know,

1077
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 5: Ed takes his lumps. When you're a top ten pick,

1078
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 5: you know a lot's expected of you. But he's been

1079
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 5: solid so far in his career in Buffalo, and he's

1080
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 5: kind of you know, he's getting to that sweet spot

1081
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 5: of your career. I believe we've talked about it, Steve.

1082
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 5: I talked to a lot of guys about you know,

1083
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 5: there's that sweet spot of your career where your body's

1084
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 5: still really good, but your experience is caught up as well,

1085
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 5: and that at some point your body starts in tier eighty,

1086
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 5: but your experience is so high that you can you

1087
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 5: know you're you're going to continue to play. But there's

1088
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 5: that sweet spot, and you know, now guys are so

1089
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 5: and tune with their bodies that that sweet spot's lasting longer.

1090
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 5: But Ed's getting to that point now where he's still

1091
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 5: young enough, but the experience is there and he should

1092
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 5: start playing some really good football.

1093
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 3: Whipping it over to the offensive side.

1094
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: Eric, you know, you mentioned the investment in the guard position,

1095
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: and you look at the powerbacks that they added as well,

1096
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: in the form of Damien Harris and Latavius Murray. How

1097
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: much of that do you believe is like a like

1098
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: an unmistakable indication we are going to try to run

1099
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: this ball better between the tackles because he got girthier,

1100
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: bigger guards that you've brought in. Whether they all start

1101
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: or not is up for debate obviously in training camp battles.

1102
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: But girthier, bigger men to play your guard spots, and

1103
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: you've got bigger backs that have a proven track record

1104
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: in between the tackles.

1105
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do think that they want to be able

1106
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 5: to run the football in between the tackles when needed,

1107
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 5: want to be more physical. So you bring in a

1108
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 5: Damian Harris, a Latavious Murray, and you know whether both

1109
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 5: those guys make the team. However it may be, it

1110
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 5: does seem that the Bills have made a push to

1111
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 5: be more physical in the run game. And look, when

1112
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 5: you have Josh Allen, when you have a top three

1113
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 5: quarterback in the NFL, you're not going to prioritize the

1114
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 5: run game as much.

1115
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 6: But Sean McDermot.

1116
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 5: Consistently says that you have to have an effective run

1117
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 5: game or you just make it way too easy on

1118
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 5: the posing defensive coordinator. He's saying that from a defensive

1119
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 5: former defensive coordinators perspective, you make it way too easy

1120
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 5: on them when they just when they know.

1121
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 6: You're throwing the ball over and over and you don't threaten.

1122
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 5: Them with the physicality of the run game, and you

1123
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 5: know that it with a salary cap and everything else,

1124
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 5: it's hard to be good at everything. But they've made

1125
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 5: the commitment this offseason to say, hey, it appears that

1126
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 5: they wanted to get more physical in the run game

1127
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 5: at the running back position and then in these guard investments.

1128
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so when they do get you know, bigger baby,

1129
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 4: more athletic at guard. Only lately have we seen him

1130
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 4: bring in some competition for Spencer Brown. I think to us,

1131
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 4: we talked about it now. They brought in Shell from

1132
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 4: the Miami Dolphins now late, but it really showed a

1133
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 4: lot of faith in both Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown.

1134
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 4: Spencer was at back surgery offseason last year. He was

1135
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 4: in a high ankle, he was nicked and you know

1136
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 4: he's still out there. But I think the club, by

1137
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 4: the way they built this offensive line, really showed a

1138
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 4: lot of faith in those guys on the edges.

1139
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're exactly right, And you know, I've talked to

1140
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 5: Aaron Cromer about Spencer Brown and he loves Spencer Brown,

1141
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 5: and that's a guy that is going to continue to

1142
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 5: get better. You mentioned I think the biggest point on

1143
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 5: Spencer Brown is especially for young offensive linemen. And I

1144
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 5: say this from a point of experience with the injuries

1145
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 5: I had earlier in my career. When you don't have

1146
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 5: an off season to get better and develop, you're kind

1147
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 5: of playing catch up. Once training camp gets going throughout

1148
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 5: the season, yes you're getting better, but you didn't have

1149
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 5: that full off season of getting stronger, getting in the

1150
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 5: way room.

1151
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 6: A guy that's long and lean like him, he needs

1152
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 6: that time.

1153
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 5: And so now he gets a full off season to

1154
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 5: truly develop, and I think you could see a jump

1155
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 5: in his game and the Bills know it, and that's

1156
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 5: why they are comfortable with him out there on the edge.

1157
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: We've been talking about this on the show, Eric and

1158
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: even on our podcast Builds by the Numbers. I understand

1159
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: why all the attention has gone to the Aaron Rodgers

1160
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 2: acquisition by the Jets.

1161
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: I get it, it's the sexy new thing.

1162
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: It has transformed their offense because.

1163
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: He is that good. Totally get it.

1164
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: But amidst all that has happened in the off season,

1165
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: the Bills roster. And I know I can speak for

1166
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: Steve because we've discussed this. The Bill's roster right now

1167
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: is better than the one they had last year. They've

1168
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: made upgrades almost across the board, and nobody's talking about it.

1169
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: It's like I'm looking at Steve, going, are we seeing

1170
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: something different than everybody else? The roster is deeper and

1171
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: it's more talented, right.

1172
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 6: I believe so.

1173
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 5: And there's a reason that the Bills are still sitting

1174
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 5: in that top two or top three favorites to win

1175
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl.

1176
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 6: But yes, they didn't.

1177
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 5: There was no splash in free agency like von Miller

1178
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 5: last year. Last year they bring in von Miller in

1179
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 5: free agency. It's one of the biggest signings of free agency.

1180
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 5: And now all of a sudden, everyone's talking about, well,

1181
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 5: now that's what's gonna get them over the hump. And

1182
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 5: you know last year in the postseason they didn't have

1183
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 5: von Miller. Well, he will be back this year. We'll

1184
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 5: see if he's back for the start of the regular season.

1185
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 5: But man, I love the Bills roster. I love what

1186
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 5: they've done. The cohesion and the core are still in place.

1187
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 5: You bring back both those safeties on offense. You have

1188
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 5: Josh Allen, you have Deon Dokis, you have so much

1189
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 5: cohesion with the core, and then you've just continue to

1190
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 5: add pieces year after year. And yes, you're right, this

1191
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 5: is an extremely talented roster. But you know, when you're

1192
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 5: talking about, you know, the national media perception, the lasting

1193
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 5: image is the Bills playing like junk against Cincinnati, and

1194
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 5: so now they're kind of the forgotten team that didn't

1195
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 5: make a huge splash. And so, you know, I'll say this,

1196
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 5: I don't think Sean McDermott is mad about that, though

1197
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 5: he's he's secretly loving the fact that he could he

1198
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 5: can use this as motivation too, I'm sure.

1199
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And as you get to this season, we've we've

1200
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 4: talked about the offensive line of defensive line, and it's

1201
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 4: different for evaluating both because on the offensive line, and

1202
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 4: I'm I'm not saying anything that you don't know, a

1203
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 4: quarterback like Josh he covers up a ton of problems.

1204
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 4: You know, somebody whiffs on the block on a pass

1205
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 4: place like no Probb, he's you know, he's around the end,

1206
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 4: throws it down. It turns from a first down into

1207
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 4: a touchdown or vice versa. You know, two guys with

1208
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 4: he makes something happen, it turns into a first down

1209
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 4: rather than a sack. So we know, it's harder to

1210
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 4: evaluate how an offensive line does. What in your mind,

1211
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 4: what is there a statistic or a group of statistics

1212
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 4: that you look at that makes it easier for you know,

1213
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 4: just you know, like a like an old guy like

1214
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 4: me to evaluate an offensive line. What statistics do you

1215
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 4: look at or how do you do it when you're

1216
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 4: you know, when you're when you're evaluating somebody other than

1217
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 4: the bills, like you know, you don't follow them week

1218
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 4: to week.

1219
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's truly hard to say that's a great

1220
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 5: question without turning on the tape and evaluating an offensive line,

1221
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 5: because numbers can be skewed by sacks or whatever it

1222
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 5: may be.

1223
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 6: I'll say this.

1224
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 5: Under Chan Gaily, we would track sacks and yards per

1225
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 5: carry and that was kind of our like, hey, we

1226
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 5: want to be really low like as an offensive line,

1227
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 5: kind of our two pride points where yards per carry

1228
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 5: and how many sacks. And one of those years was

1229
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 5: we were the lowest sacks in the NFL and second

1230
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 5: in the league in yards per carry, but we didn't

1231
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 5: make the playoffs.

1232
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 3: So who cares?

1233
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 6: And were we one of the best offensive line in

1234
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 6: the league.

1235
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 5: I would say we were one of the best. Were

1236
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 5: we the best? I'm not sure, you know, it's tough

1237
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 5: to say. But we also had Ryan Fitzpatrick who was

1238
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 5: extremely smart. He gets rid of the ball fast, and

1239
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 5: you know, he just doesn't take a lot of sacks.

1240
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 5: And so, you know, I don't know that that was

1241
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 5: even the best offensive line I played on a Buffalo.

1242
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 5: It's just so hard to say, because if you have

1243
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 5: a pass happy team, your sack numbers are naturally going

1244
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 5: to be higher when you can commit to the run game.

1245
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 5: And in the fourth quarter you've gotten over thirty carries

1246
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 5: and now you're starting to really wear on a defense

1247
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 5: that's going to skew the numbers as well.

1248
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 2: Eric, with all that, you know, Brandon being and Sean

1249
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: McDermott did to add to this roster, and you know,

1250
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 2: the vast majority of the time they get the right

1251
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 2: people to bring in here to augment the roster. Was

1252
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: there a favorite transaction of yours? Like as soon as

1253
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: you saw it cross on your phone, you were like, ooh,

1254
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: I really like that. Was there one that stands out

1255
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: for you? Whether it's draft or free agency.

1256
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 5: I'll say on the draft, I liked Kincaid, And I

1257
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 5: know that's an easy one to say, and you know

1258
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 5: he's the first rounder, but I really liked that pick.

1259
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 6: I think it gives the Bills.

1260
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 5: I talked about personnel flexibility earlier with some of the

1261
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 5: moves made on defense, I think offensively, now you have

1262
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 5: two tight ends that can put the defense in a bind.

1263
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 5: You know, you're putting in twelve personnel with two tight

1264
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 5: ends and a running back and two receivers. Okay, well,

1265
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 5: are you treating Kincaid like a wide receiver or you're

1266
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 5: treating him like a tight end, And so you're you

1267
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 5: can you can do more to kind of help Josh,

1268
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 5: help Ken Dorsey create some mismatches.

1269
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 3: I really like that one.

1270
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 6: And I'll say, just recently, the Leonard Floyd thing. You

1271
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 6: know when they when they nailed him late.

1272
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 5: You know, to me, when you can add a guy

1273
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 5: that you know, year after year is getting that eight, nine,

1274
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 5: ten sack mark, it's like picking up hockey players like

1275
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 5: goal scorers, score goals, guys that get sacks, they produce

1276
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 5: year in and year out. And so to get Floyd

1277
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 5: signed this late and just to add another piece like that.

1278
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 5: That was probably the one that I'm driving in my

1279
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 5: car and the Bills thing pops up on my phone.

1280
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 6: I'm like, WHOA, didn't see that one coming?

1281
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 4: Yeah right, Yeah, those are the kind of things too.

1282
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 4: That and it happened. It happens once in a while

1283
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 4: like that. You get a guy you don't know, but

1284
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 4: this guy in a down year last year, he probably

1285
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 4: would have led the Bills in sacks, all right. And

1286
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 4: we've seen him out at practice in these voluntary OTAs,

1287
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 4: and he is a long, lean, bendy pass rusher, you know.

1288
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 4: And now we're talking about you know, we didn't get

1289
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 4: into this in this conversation, but now you're looking at

1290
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 4: maybe the Bills having too many guys to make the roster.

1291
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 4: I mean, you look down at the guys that that are.

1292
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 4: There's von Miller, Leonard Floyd, got Greg Russo, Shane Ray,

1293
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 4: and then you've got a Jampinesza, Greg shack Losson and

1294
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Speaker 4: Boogie Basham. Well you're already two over what you're really

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01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 4: gonna need to play in a game. Then you've got

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Speaker 4: all the other you know, you've got the other guys

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Speaker 4: that are there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you go look at your second rounders and Epinessa

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Speaker 5: and Basham do they both make the team if you

1300
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 5: love what Shaq Lawson brings in the physicality at times

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01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 5: that you need from him that you're not going to

1302
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 5: get from either of those guys.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well now is it now?

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Speaker 5: Are you gonna part ways with one of your second

1305
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 5: round draft picks that you know have produced at times,

1306
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 5: but the consistency has not been there for either of

1307
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 5: those guys if.

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Speaker 4: One of the if that happens, I would say, and

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01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 4: you can what do you think about this? I think

1310
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 4: it's going to happen last a couple of weeks before

1311
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 4: the season, like before they do the roster cut down,

1312
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:57,759
Speaker 4: like during.

1313
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like right yourself, protect yourself against injury that.

1314
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 4: Way, right right after or right around that last preseason game,

1315
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 4: they'll either give them some reps and let them go

1316
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 4: out and turn them loose. You'll get six sacks in

1317
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 4: the last preseason game and then they'll get traded. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.

1318
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, you know, we could be seeing

1319
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 5: Bean and that's on the offense. You know, the Bills

1320
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 5: have a lot of quality guys in their offense. Line

1321
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 5: room two where we've seen it from being since he's

1322
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 5: been the GM of the Bills. They stockpile those O

1323
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 5: linemen and then towards the end of training camp, when

1324
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Speaker 5: someone's roster is getting dinged or someone's desperate for an

1325
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 5: O lineman, now you go snag a fifth, sixth, seventh

1326
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 5: round draft pick, which Bean's talked about at length. When

1327
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 5: when you're consistently good like the Bills, are those draft

1328
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 5: picks at the end of the draft become valuable because

1329
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 5: your roster's so good. It's hard to land guys as

1330
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 5: undrafted free agents because their agents assume they can't come

1331
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 5: in and make the team, and so you stockpile a

1332
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 5: couple more of those.

1333
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Darryl Johnson, I think I was a

1334
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 2: seventh round pick, but he has a big preseason.

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01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 3: They're fat at the position, and they train them to Carolina.

1336
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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen it before late in the game,

1337
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 2: and obviously you don't do that early in the game

1338
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: unless you know you're presented with an offer you just

1339
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 2: can't refuse. You kind of let training camp in preseason

1340
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 2: play out. So in the event maybe you have a

1341
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 2: couple of injuries, you're still okay before you start stripping

1342
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 2: the cupboard. So yeah, it'll be really interesting to see

1343
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 2: what plays out in training camp at the pass rushing position,

1344
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 2: some of those old line spots that you mentioned. Derek,

1345
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 2: I'm kind of I don't know what it is. I'm

1346
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: just really pumped for camp battles. And this is like

1347
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 2: one of the strongest rosters we've ever seen them put together.

1348
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be really interesting. You're gonna be out there

1349
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 2: right periodically at camp this summer.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna try and make it up for training camp

1351
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 5: this year. I didn't make it last year. I'm gonna

1352
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 5: try and make it up. I love going to Rochester,

1353
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 5: got to go up for the final of the PGA Championship.

1354
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 5: I pop up there, and so yeah, the plan would

1355
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 5: be is to try and get by training camp this

1356
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 5: year and pop my face in there.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, I we talked about how deep this

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01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 6: roster is.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is gonna be another year where the

1360
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Speaker 5: Bills could just be beating the brakes off of people

1361
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 5: in the preseason because you know, your roster is just

1362
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 5: so deep.

1363
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 6: You got quality players everywhere.

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Speaker 4: Do you have do you have a have you picked

1365
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 4: I know it's really early. Have you picked a dark horse,

1366
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 4: It might be a guy that because it used to

1367
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 4: be when I was coming up, and it's not that

1368
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 4: way so much anymore. There's always one surprise cut in

1369
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 4: the camp, and then one guy's surprise makes it. Uh,

1370
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 4: do you have any dark horses on this roster that

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Speaker 4: you're looking at?

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Speaker 5: You know, as far as someone to make the team,

1373
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not sure I'd have to. I'd have

1374
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 5: to break down the position groups. It's hard group out

1375
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 5: the numbers, you know, it's hard. Man, But when you

1376
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 5: look at like, let me talk about like someone I

1377
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 5: think we could be really impressed with in preseason games.

1378
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 5: Give me Khalil Shakir, and you're in the offense a

1379
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 5: lot of talent. He'll get a lot of time out there.

1380
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 5: You know, I'm sure we won't see Digs a whole

1381
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 5: lot out there, right, Probably not a whole lot from

1382
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 5: Gabe Davis. You know what you're getting from them. I

1383
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 5: think you could see him put up some big boy

1384
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 5: numbers in the preseason.

1385
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Speaker 2: No, I don't get everybody excited for sure, Eric, Thanks

1386
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: for the time, and enjoy what's left to your summer,

1387
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 2: because we're gonna blink and you know we'll be like

1388
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 2: oh look, Eric made it out to Saint John Fisher.

1389
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, you guys enjoyed the summer as well. It was

1390
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 6: fun catching up. Look forward to doing again soon.

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01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: All right, it's Eric Wood, Bill's radio network color analysts

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01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 2: joining us here on the show, and we will take

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01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 2: a break, but be back with plenty more, including more

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Speaker 2: of your thoughts.

1395
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 3: On the tweet sheet Old line or D line.

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01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 2: Who's making a bigger jump here in the twenty twenty

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01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 2: three season.

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01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 3: You let us know on the tweetsheet at One Bill's Live.

1399
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 2: When we return, you have One Bill's Love.

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Speaker 3: There's anybody can line to help. It's Buffalo Bill's Ring.

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01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 3: Back out One of Bills Live.

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01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you on a mandatory mini

1403
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 2: camp Monday. We got to get back to the tweet

1404
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: sheet where we were asking you today which side of

1405
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 2: the ball will make the biggest jump this season?

1406
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 3: D line or O line?

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 2: And we go to Connor, who says, I think there's

1408
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 2: definitely an argument to make that both will have better

1409
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: production this season. The Bills have upgraded both the O

1410
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 2: line and D line. It will depender. It will depend

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01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 2: on what is considered success. O line better run production,

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01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 2: d line increase in sacks and forest turnovers. Well, Connor's

1413
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: right in the fence there, Steve, but he is dead

1414
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 2: on with where those two sides of the ball need

1415
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: to improve the most.

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Speaker 3: As we have discussed.

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01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. You're not gonna have an offense where

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01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 4: they're gonna throw the fault ball more often than they

1419
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 4: did a year ago, or run the ball more often

1420
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 4: than they did a year ago. I think the ratio

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01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 4: stay exactly the same. Certainly, it's it's nice and it's

1422
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 4: a great security blanket when you get deep into the

1423
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 4: third quarter, early in the fourth quarter and you're up

1424
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 4: by two, maybe three scores, and you can hand the

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01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 4: ball off and still make first downs, come away with

1426
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 4: a field goal, so you go up by twenty instead

1427
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 4: of seventeen. Ya da all that, But it's unrealistic to

1428
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 4: think that's that's going to be how you use your

1429
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 4: run game. If you can do that, fine, But if

1430
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 4: you're doing that, you're playing against Sisters the Poor, and

1431
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 4: they know Sisters the poor on the bill schedule. You

1432
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 4: need your run game to be a threat. You need

1433
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 4: them to think about it. Certainly, if you can use it,

1434
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 4: it's great as a weapon. But it's only going to

1435
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 4: be in one game a month, maybe during the regular season,

1436
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 4: maybe four games a year where the run game is

1437
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 4: going to be the difference. So I get it. Everybody's

1438
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 4: got this fantasy that they have about the Bills in

1439
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 4: the football the entire second half and putting the game

1440
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 4: away and Josh throws it like three times. It's just

1441
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 4: not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen.

1442
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that.

1443
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 2: I think that McDermott's aim in how we've seen the

1444
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: offensive line get bigger and how we've seen the running

1445
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 2: back room get bigger and more physical, I think he

1446
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 2: wants the threat to be able to do that in

1447
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 2: a given game if it's called for. And I think

1448
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:38,879
Speaker 2: he also quite simply wants better yards per carry average

1449
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 2: between the tackles.

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01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean you run it more. I think he's

1451
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 3: just aiming for a more of it.

1452
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,560
Speaker 2: I think, if an efficient run game so when you

1453
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 2: do turn to it, it actually produces for you, it's

1454
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 2: not some figment of your imagination.

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01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 4: I think here's what I think, and this is what

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01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 4: an NFL running game you want it to be. In

1457
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 4: my opinion, certainly, Yeah, you want to be a threat

1458
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 4: and all of that, but you're gonna run against teams

1459
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 4: that are not gonna let you run the football consistently.

1460
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 4: What you really want is the ability to line up

1461
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 4: in a run formation on a short yardage play and

1462
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 4: get it. They know you're gonna run it. You know

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01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 4: you're gonna run it. You still get the yards you

1464
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 4: want to get, no matter whether it's four yards, three yards,

1465
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 4: two yards, or zero yards. Just want half a foot,

1466
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 4: You're gonna get it. That's a run game in the

1467
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Speaker 4: NFL in these days, it's situational running and the goal line.

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01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 4: When you get down on the red zone, that's where

1469
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 4: your running game can make a difference defensively for your opponent.

1470
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 4: If you can run the ball in the red zone,

1471
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 4: the other team is done. That's when the red that's

1472
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 4: when your game. Running game has to be effective in

1473
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 4: situations in a game when they know that the best

1474
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 4: play would be a running play. In this thing, if

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01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 4: you can hand it off and get it, that's an

1476
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 4: effective running game. It's not that you're running game is

1477
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 4: capable of carrying your offense and doing it thirty five

1478
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 4: times a game. It's that in a situation when everybody

1479
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 4: in the stadium knows you're gonna run it. You hand

1480
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 4: it off and you run it. You get everything you

1481
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 4: want to get. That's your running game. Yeah, and today,

1482
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 4: in my mind, in today's NFL, yeah.

1483
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 3: I would agree with that.

1484
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 2: And you know, the Bills were ninth in red zone

1485
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: scoring efficiency last year.

1486
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 3: You up that to fifth.

1487
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: You know, you're getting the top five in that category.

1488
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 2: Now you're not averaging you're not averaging twenty eight point

1489
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 2: four a game.

1490
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Speaker 3: You might be over thirty.

1491
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's and that's what the running game is.

1492
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 4: That's it. Running game in the red zone is major.

1493
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 4: If you've got a guy you can hand it off

1494
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 4: to and threaten them, and they got their scram on

1495
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 4: everything they can do to keep you from getting. You know,

1496
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 4: it's it's first and ten on the fifteen man, and

1497
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 4: you run it twice, and it's first and ten on

1498
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:03,759
Speaker 4: the file the four man. You're I mean, that's a crusher.

1499
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 4: Now you can do whatever you want, you know. So

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Speaker 4: it's just that's where you want it to be. I

1501
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 4: think you're not gonna I don't think the Bills ever

1502
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 4: want to run the ball more than thirty percent of

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01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 4: the time. Thirty thirty percent.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, that's what very low. Yeah it is.

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Speaker 4: It's out of sixty five plays, you're talking eighteen runs. Hmm,

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Speaker 4: I think is that right?

1507
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Speaker 3: All right?

1508
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1509
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 4: Sixty five plays? I just more than thirty. That's lit

1510
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 4: more than three.

1511
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 3: I want to say. I want to say closer to

1512
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 3: thirty five to thirty eight maybe.

1513
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, but less it's less than a third, I

1514
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 4: would say, you know what I mean. So, I think

1515
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 4: if you've got if you've got sixty plays in the game,

1516
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 4: you want eighteen of them to be runs three every three,

1517
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 4: every ten plays. Because that's just the way it is

1518
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 4: with Josh and Digs and Cook and Knocks and kin

1519
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 4: Kid and Shakir and Day all those guys. I mean,

1520
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 4: that's just the way where the ball is going to

1521
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 4: be spread.

1522
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 3: I think.

1523
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeremy on the tweet sheet says, Ford, Floyd and

1524
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: Miller all in the same rotation is going to be

1525
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 2: the biggest difference maker. Those three on the field should

1526
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: make any offensive coordinator worry. Andrew says, the defensive line

1527
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: has been rebuilt for the last two seasons. Now, Yes,

1528
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 2: they added a few more players to the defensive end position,

1529
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 2: but I think We're going to see a bigger jump

1530
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 2: on the offensive line with all those new additions. Josh

1531
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: should be very well protected.

1532
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 3: So I like that people are.

1533
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 2: Coming down on opposite sides of the line of scrimmage

1534
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 2: here because number one, I think it means it's a

1535
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 2: close call. And number two, I think most fans agree

1536
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 2: that both sides of the ball have improved.

1537
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 4: Right. It's hard to quantify, And we talked about how

1538
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 4: how differently difficult it is for guys like us with

1539
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 4: that going down and break down the film. Which group

1540
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 4: achieved less than the other despite whatever we hold them

1541
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 4: in our hearts or what they ranked in the NFL.

1542
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 4: Which one was a bigger problem for the team on

1543
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 4: their side of the ball. The Bill's defense has been

1544
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 4: more than solid, top five defense in every major category.

1545
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 4: The Bill's offense has led the team and led the

1546
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 4: league or been high in scoring. They led the league

1547
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 4: in third down efficiency. They've got a lot of things

1548
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 4: going for them too. So we're splitting hairs a little

1549
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 4: bit here, There's no question about it. I mean, both

1550
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 4: these club and despite the criticism that people kind of

1551
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 4: off handedly lay on the offensive line from a year ago,

1552
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 4: I mean, you got people on our feedback saying, hey,

1553
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 4: if the offensive line doesn't get better, it's going to

1554
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 4: be a long year. You know what, they were really

1555
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 4: good last year. This just didn't They were really good

1556
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 4: last year despite what people think, they were really good.

1557
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 4: And people are kind of off handly seeing well, our

1558
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 4: offensive line had to get better. Well, not necessarily. A

1559
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 4: lot of teams would have done a lot of things

1560
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 4: to get to the point where the Bill's offensive line

1561
01:20:59,479 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 4: was a year ago.

1562
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 2: Here's an interesting point from Ron on the tweetsheet. He

1563
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 2: votes for the defensive line. He said, there's more proven

1564
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 2: talent on that side of the ball. We know how

1565
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 2: good those guys are already. It's just a matter of

1566
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: staying healthy. The offensive line is a bunch of unknowns

1567
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 2: in McGovern, Brown and Torrance. We don't even really know

1568
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 2: who the five will be. I would argue that McGovern

1569
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 2: is a proven talent at the guard position. I mean,

1570
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 2: he's a starter coming over from Dallas. He's been there

1571
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,520
Speaker 2: and done that. You want to argue how Brown responds

1572
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 2: to uneven year three, Okay, I'll listen to you on that.

1573
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: And yes, Torrance is an unproven commodity. But Ron brings

1574
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 2: up a good point here, and maybe he did it inadvertently.

1575
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 2: There is more fitting the pieces together that must take

1576
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 2: place on the Bills offensive line, because Steve, if von

1577
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: Miller's healthy, you can make the argument that they're starting

1578
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 2: front four is exactly the same as it was last

1579
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 2: year Rousseau, Oliver de Kwon, Jones and von Miller.

1580
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 3: I mean it might be identical.

1581
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, might not the case. On the O line,

1582
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 4: they will be. They will be on the field at

1583
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 4: the same time at some point if those guys are

1584
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 4: all you know what I mean, I mean, you got

1585
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 4: the feel there's gonna be snaps where it's going to

1586
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 4: be exactly those guys on the field. The difference is

1587
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 4: are you gonna have when you rotate a fresh, fresh

1588
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 4: guys through. You're gonna rotate Poona Ford and let Floyd.

1589
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 4: So it's a pretty good rotation. So oh yeah, And

1590
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 4: I'm looking through their defense last year, I mean, it

1591
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 4: was in the top five and every and certainly in

1592
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 4: the top ten of every single defensive statistic. Unbelievable sacks

1593
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 4: per a tenth, they were six interception rate, They were

1594
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 4: seventh passing yards per play, they were second per game.

1595
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 4: They were fifth rushing yards per play they were seventh.

1596
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 4: Rushing yards per game they were seventh, total yards per

1597
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 4: play they were third in the league, and total yards

1598
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 4: a game they were fourth. I mean, it's just all

1599
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 4: the ways. Goal to go percentage they were fourth in

1600
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 4: the league. Red zone percentage they were third best, tied

1601
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 4: for third in the league. This defense was it was

1602
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 4: more than solid all the way across in every single

1603
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 4: statistical category. The only way that fans like us are

1604
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 4: gonna see them as being better is if we see

1605
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 4: splash plays.

1606
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 3: Right, That's it.

1607
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 4: There's there's no I don't and I'm gonna go out

1608
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna say not, no way, but no way.

1609
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 4: This defense plays statistically ranking better than it did a

1610
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 4: year ago, even with this improved roster. I mean, we're

1611
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,560
Speaker 4: just if they do, we're never gonna be able to

1612
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 4: tell a difference. But if if this team comes out

1613
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 4: and even if they're ranked in the top ten instead

1614
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 4: of the top five this year, but they get more

1615
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 4: sacks and a bunch of turnovers, will we'll jump up

1616
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 4: and down and say they're way better than they've been

1617
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 4: the last four years. And that's a big ask. That's

1618
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 4: a big ask. So they're They've got a long way

1619
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,919
Speaker 4: to go before that. You're gonna say, yeah, this defensive

1620
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 4: line is better than it was a year ago.

1621
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 2: Coach McDermott does that, does have that in his coaching

1622
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 2: history as a DC teams up in the top three,

1623
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:16,759
Speaker 2: top five in takeaways and sacks, sometimes in the same season.

1624
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 3: In his time in Carolina.

1625
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 2: Seth on the tweets sheet says d line will make

1626
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: a more noticeable jump. Having a healthy secondary should give

1627
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 2: the big boys more time to get home.

1628
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 3: Floyd and Ford are upgrades.

1629
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 2: Hopefully von is back quickly, and the other guys have

1630
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 2: to step up big time though, O line, just get

1631
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: a push and keep seventeen clean, please. So Seth brings

1632
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 2: up an interesting point, Steve, the secondary is healthy again,

1633
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 2: the veterans secondary. That could help the guys up front two.

1634
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 4: Well, absolutely, And I was thinking too. You look at

1635
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 4: their corners. It's Kyrie Elam Tredavius White, Christian Benford, Dane Jackson,

1636
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 4: Cam Dantler, and then he got Alex Austin the guy

1637
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 4: and Tarn and Tarn. I mean that's the corners. Forget

1638
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 4: about Mike, forget about Micah, Jordan and Taylor. Yeah, it's

1639
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 4: a different animal back there, bro, and if they stand,

1640
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 4: if they stay healthy and all that. You know, obviously

1641
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 4: there's a lot of stuff out of everybody's control. I

1642
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 4: mean you gotta sit back and watch and hope they

1643
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 4: all stay healthy. If they do, this is a difference

1644
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 4: making defense, A real a real difference making defense.

1645
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, matthew says, defensive line all the way. A healthy

1646
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 2: Von Miller, Leonard Floyd, Poona Ford, Greg russon his third year,

1647
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 2: plus aj in a contract, you're a huge upgrade. Not

1648
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 2: to mention Daikwon Jones, Shack Lost and at Oliver. Deepest

1649
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 2: D line in the league? Ah, I don't know if

1650
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:43,440
Speaker 2: it's the deepest.

1651
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 3: D line in the league.

1652
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 2: Some people might argue Philadelphia because they are loaded, even

1653
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 2: though they had a couple of losses in the offseason,

1654
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: their D line is is pretty dang deep. Brandon Graham,

1655
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 2: Fletcher Cox, number one pick, Jalen Carter, Josh Sweat, Derek Barnett,

1656
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 2: Jordan Davis.

1657
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 3: You know, I mean that's six right there.

1658
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 2: I mean you want to argue Milton Williams, Okay, I'll

1659
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: listen to that. Genarius Robinson, you know, nobody extraordinary after that?

1660
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 3: Maybe they do, maybe they do. It's close.

1661
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 4: Like I said, though, the proof is in the wow

1662
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 4: factor for defensive line.

1663
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, one more segment

1664
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 2: to go, some final thoughts on the tweetsheet when we

1665
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 2: return here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colida Health,

1666
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

1667
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 3: All right, here we are on One Bill's Live. One

1668
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 3: last segment.

1669
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 2: Ago, I wanted to get some final thoughts out to

1670
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 2: you on the tweet sheet, and Garvey says, oh, line,

1671
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 2: they have a bigger gap to close with how poorly

1672
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 2: a few positions played last year. Now, Steve, here's a

1673
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 2: little bit of that misnomer again. You know, you look

1674
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 2: at their statistics as an offense, they're good across the board,

1675
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 2: but that's not the common perception out there most of

1676
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 2: the time.

1677
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 3: Let's see what Zach says.

1678
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 2: Zach says, I think both sides should improve, but I

1679
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 2: think it's D line.

1680
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 3: Too many unknowns for the O line.

1681
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 2: The addition of Floyd and a healthy Vaughn and Ed

1682
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 2: I think will have a bigger impact.

1683
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 3: I think there's all. There's also this.

1684
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 2: Perception, Steve, that the O line has to gel and

1685
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 2: come together, and sometimes that's a bigger than the D line,

1686
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 2: which you know, especially with the way these guys play

1687
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 2: an upfield penetrating style, a lot of that, maybe more

1688
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,560
Speaker 2: of that depends on individual ability.

1689
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 4: Right, Individuality is one of the things on the D

1690
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 4: line that's different, and they you know, one guy can

1691
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 4: bust loose and make a play and the other three

1692
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 4: guys could have fallen down. You know that that kind

1693
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 4: of apps. If that happens on the offensive line, it's

1694
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 4: a bust. All five guys have to play together, certainly

1695
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 4: that they have to jail. We talk about it every

1696
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 4: single training camp. How's the offensive line coming together? How

1697
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 4: many reps do they have? Who's taking the reps? You know,

1698
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 4: who's playing where? So it's a you know it, that

1699
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 4: big experiment where you got thirteen guys looking to play

1700
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 4: five spots and rotating at all five to find out

1701
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 4: which one they play best and with who they play

1702
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 4: best with. Yeah, you know, so it's a huge mathematics

1703
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 4: problem that you have to go through every preseason. And

1704
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 4: with the new guys in they got, they got a

1705
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 4: bigger job ahead of them.

1706
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 2: Final thought from Charles Simply due to the way the

1707
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 2: game is today, it'll be the old line quarterbacks get

1708
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 2: rid of the ball too quickly nowadays for your defense

1709
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 2: to make a consistent impact. Just ask the Eagles, how

1710
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: about that.

1711
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 4: He's right, that's good point from Charles Late. It's true. Finish,

1712
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 4: it's true. It's true. You know the D line it takes.

1713
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 4: You know you got it sooner or later. Everybody's third

1714
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 4: and nine, you know. So you're gonna have to pack

1715
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 4: the ball for a minute. But on regular down and distance.

1716
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 4: We'll see.

1717
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 3: We'll see you tomorrow at one o'clock.

1718
01:28:52,680 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 2: Vinda tory Minnikan three