Speaker 1: This episode is presented to you by DraftKings.
Speaker 2: The crown is yours. Talk to us about that journey.
Speaker 3: I remember to this day. I was like, we're not
Speaker 3: gonna lose to them. We're not gonna lose Game five
Speaker 3: on our.
Speaker 4: Home court, Ladies and gentlemen, if you don't think you're
Speaker 4: gonna win.
Speaker 5: It's over.
Speaker 6: So when I player gets him in the game, I
Speaker 6: knew everything was gonna do. Like I swear to guy
Speaker 6: Snack every every move, every counter.
Speaker 7: I know this shit is just haben.
Speaker 8: I know this ship is just saber, not.
Speaker 2: Not.
Speaker 9: I can't live with myself if he beats me on
Speaker 9: the highest stage.
Speaker 2: Like bro y'all does have to have my back.
Speaker 1: Let's welcome to the show. Magic Johnson, your rookie year.
Speaker 1: Go to the finals. First, Doctor j you're able to
Speaker 1: beat them finals MVP is a rookie.
Speaker 2: But before where we get to the.
Speaker 1: Final dinner, Before we get to that final experience, Doctor Jason,
Speaker 1: when you looked up to I heard in college he
Speaker 1: kind of rolled out the red carpet to you.
Speaker 2: Explain that story about doctor j Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I was leaving school and I called him up, and.
Speaker 10: So he said hey, I said, hey, what is it.
Speaker 4: Like leaving you left? So I want you to tell
Speaker 4: me what it's like for me to leave Michigan stay early.
Speaker 4: And so he was explaining to me on the phone,
Speaker 4: and then he said, I'm gonna do you one better
Speaker 4: fly out to Philly and hang out with me for
Speaker 4: the weekend.
Speaker 11: I said, what, Doc, No, Doc, that's doc.
Speaker 4: This is doctor J saying a young fellow can come
Speaker 4: hang with him. And he put me up at his
Speaker 4: crib at the big mansion.
Speaker 2: How he pick you up a limo?
Speaker 10: And my brother was like, oh, show, I'm calling everybody.
Speaker 10: I'm with doctor J at his house.
Speaker 4: And so you know, I'm sitting there, living in the
Speaker 4: living room and he's talking to me and I'm just
Speaker 4: zoning out, like I can't even believe it. I've always
Speaker 4: had docs on.
Speaker 11: So now I'm with him.
Speaker 5: Oh it was.
Speaker 4: Crazy, man. So we hung out the whole weekend. Wife
Speaker 4: took great care of me as well, went to a
Speaker 4: couple of playoff games he was in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: He gave me some great advice.
Speaker 4: And then here it is seven months later, I'm playing
Speaker 4: the brother in the NBA finals. My idol, I'm playing
Speaker 4: him in the NBA Finals. And so we so I said, man,
Speaker 4: I love you, but I gotta take him out too,
Speaker 4: and take him out. But when he came down that
Speaker 4: middle I mean on that right side and cuffed that
Speaker 4: ball on cool, I said, oh oh man. And then
Speaker 4: the other one was he came down the right side
Speaker 4: and he jumped out of bounds and he started walking
Speaker 4: the finger roll yeah, in.
Speaker 12: The air and fro going back, bunting against the glasses.
Speaker 13: Good.
Speaker 5: I said, man, this dude is too much.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 4: See he was doing that George before Michael. People forget that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was the first dude walking in the air. Oh man.
Speaker 4: It was so much fun playing against Die and that
Speaker 4: we won.
Speaker 5: But talk about talk about yourself.
Speaker 2: A little bit because Kareem went down.
Speaker 1: You're a rookie twenty years old years in the NBA Finals,
Speaker 1: the only first and only rookie to ever win finals.
Speaker 2: MVP.
Speaker 1: Talk to these people that didn't follow the game back
Speaker 1: then and what it was like and the numbers.
Speaker 14: You put up slid to the center, that center from
Speaker 14: point go out to center.
Speaker 4: Well you know again, man, I so he gets Kareem
Speaker 4: gets hers it in game five, and so I get
Speaker 4: to the airport, everybody head.
Speaker 5: Is down because Kareem can't play.
Speaker 4: I said, so what, Kareem can't play, We're still gonna win, right,
Speaker 4: And they looked at me like rookie.
Speaker 10: Go sit down.
Speaker 4: We can't beat Philadelphia without Kareem. I said, man, we're
Speaker 4: gonna win this game, and they.
Speaker 10: Was like, we can't do it.
Speaker 4: Irvan, I said, so I gotta do something, Matt, I said,
Speaker 4: I got to do something to get these guys going.
Speaker 4: So Kareem would always sit in one A that was
Speaker 4: his seat. So I asked a flight attendant could I
Speaker 4: go on the plane first. So I went and sat
Speaker 4: in Kareem seat, and as every Laker came by, I said,
Speaker 4: never fear magic is here.
Speaker 2: And they were like, this dude is crazy.
Speaker 4: You know, so they laughed. So I had five hours
Speaker 4: all the way flight from LA to Philadelphia to work
Speaker 4: on their mindset and lattitude. Because ladies and gentlemen, if
Speaker 4: you don't think you're gonna win an win over, it's over.
Speaker 4: So I told him, man, gonna win this game. And
Speaker 4: so I told the coach I'm gonna play center. He
Speaker 4: was like he was like, he looked at me like, yeah,
Speaker 4: have you ever played center?
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I played center in high school. He said, Man,
Speaker 2: that was two or three years ago.
Speaker 4: I said, I'm gonna play center tomorrow against Cadwell Jones.
Speaker 4: So long story short, you know, I scored forty two points,
Speaker 4: fifteen rebound, seven assists, winning the game. And it was
Speaker 4: a blessing to him. To be named NBA Most Vavable
Speaker 4: Player the Finals was a true blessing. But to win
Speaker 4: the game, yes, again.
Speaker 2: First and foremost.
Speaker 4: All the other stuff don't matter, right, just win the game.
Speaker 5: So we won the championship.
Speaker 4: So that was my first one, and then I became
Speaker 4: the third guy ever in NBA history college come out
Speaker 4: of college.
Speaker 2: That's right, to go back to back.
Speaker 5: So it's a bit a blessing, a lot of history.
Speaker 1: And welcome to the show, Sean kimp Man. Six, you
Speaker 1: finally break through. You sweep Dream and Clyde beat Stock
Speaker 1: in them alone. In seven, you get to Mike. You're
Speaker 1: avenue twenty three and ten in the finals. What was
Speaker 1: that we got GP started. We had GP a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. GP said, if GP said, if they
Speaker 1: would have put him on our MJ earlier, y'all would
Speaker 1: have won it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Gary was having had They had a couple of
Speaker 7: little injuries he had, so they didn't want to exert
Speaker 7: him at first. They put that lia on Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2: Which didn't go well.
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, look at it. DeLand is a
Speaker 7: great player. I mean he is, man. I don't think
Speaker 7: it was fair to him all of a sudden. You know,
Speaker 7: you come on, you know what I'm saying. If anything,
Speaker 7: you pull somebody off the bench and pull on Michael Jordan,
Speaker 7: they can just waste files.
Speaker 2: And be physical with him.
Speaker 7: But you know, you come out there being soft with Michael,
Speaker 7: He's gonna take advantage of you. And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 7: But Michael wasn't the reason he didn't beat us in
Speaker 7: the championship. He did not beat us. Man, we was
Speaker 7: on his ass. Well, he didn't beat us. Dennis Robbins
Speaker 7: the one who we had no answer for his ass man, Really,
Speaker 7: we had no answer for Dennis Robbins. I mean, every
Speaker 7: time that they needed a second shot or something special,
Speaker 7: extra rebound or tipping, this motherfucker was flying and winking,
Speaker 7: and I mean he said winking and winking and testing
Speaker 7: and ship frustrating everybody on the team. Man, it's not
Speaker 7: even like that. He just do that ship. Just just
Speaker 7: doing that ship. He had you know, my team just flustered.
Speaker 2: Man, what kind of ship would he do?
Speaker 7: Uh, I'm gonna tell you what, Frank mcconsky. Man, Then
Speaker 7: this mon dinnis started wearing color contacts doing the championship.
Speaker 7: He started wearing color color contacts during the championship with
Speaker 7: some lip ship on man. He would be like he
Speaker 7: was trying to kiss Frank's arm and the ship, and
Speaker 7: then Frank just couldn't take it. Man, it was just
Speaker 7: the man and him just couldn't allow it. Dinner's new
Speaker 7: buttons to push, man, we need to freak the rebound.
Speaker 7: He got him all discombobulated.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 7: So yeah, my god, absolutely, man, Dennis Robert.
Speaker 1: He I was his defense man, well me.
Speaker 7: I mean his defense was good. It wasn't. I mean,
Speaker 7: he wasn't just too big for dinner. You know what
Speaker 7: I'm saying. I'm a little bit too big for dinner.
Speaker 7: I don't think that's a fair agile to But his
Speaker 7: defense was great.
Speaker 14: Man.
Speaker 7: Like I said, he was just tipping the ball and
Speaker 7: rebounding high knee and doing all this silly ship man,
Speaker 7: all the ship that you hate to see.
Speaker 2: And they needed.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly what they need.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 7: Scotty Pipping is great man. You know, I played with
Speaker 7: Pipping in Portland. I just say this, but sometimes they
Speaker 7: people don't get Pipping his props. But Scottie Pippen was
Speaker 7: gonna be good ball player without Michael Jordan. He would
Speaker 7: have been a quality ball player without Michael Jordan. Michael
Speaker 7: Jordan definitely made him a little bit better. But my man,
Speaker 7: Scotty Pippen was still balling when he was in Portland.
Speaker 7: You know, he wasn't no match for Kobe when we
Speaker 7: were playing back then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kobe, but.
Speaker 7: Scotty was still balling. Man. He could still play the
Speaker 7: pass and lanes. He's never been a great shooter, but
Speaker 7: he's just been athletic to do a lot of different things,
Speaker 7: you know, pass, scoring, rebounding, that's his game.
Speaker 2: Talk.
Speaker 1: What was Mike like in those finals? Talking just straight
Speaker 1: about business?
Speaker 2: What was it like?
Speaker 7: And well, we played Mike in the finals. We were
Speaker 7: trying to engage with him a lot, man. We really
Speaker 7: wanted him. We wanted physicality, we wanted to uh, we
Speaker 7: were trying to test him, but he wasn't. He wasn't
Speaker 7: going forward.
Speaker 2: He was focused all right here there was a picture
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 7: No, that's that's Gary. Gary was letting him know that
Speaker 7: he was getting in his ass, because that's when they
Speaker 7: didn't put they took Gary, They took Daglas off. Michael
Speaker 7: put Gary on. So Gary, you know, I used to
Speaker 7: run down court. I'd be and I'd be like, showt
Speaker 7: him the glove. I'll be like the glove, can't give
Speaker 7: his back the ball away and gave him flashy glove
Speaker 7: to But that's you see Michael looking back a flashing
Speaker 7: that glove side. He didn't like that ship. That's the ship.
Speaker 7: That's the ship. That's the ship there. That's you. You
Speaker 7: get Michael going. Man, when you see that look right there,
Speaker 7: you got some problems coming back because now you don't
Speaker 7: want to talk to you. Now he got something to
Speaker 7: prove to you. You got another problem.
Speaker 2: Get a chance to know Mike off the court.
Speaker 7: Not so much off the court, but definitely battles on
Speaker 7: the court, man, definitely battles on the choir respecting. I
Speaker 7: got a lot of mad respect for the man. You know,
Speaker 7: I've seen people be physical with Mike. I've seen him
Speaker 7: have a game plan to stop him. He altered his
Speaker 7: game plan every night. You couldn't stop him. Is he
Speaker 7: the best ever played the game?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Who is?
Speaker 7: I mean, people get mad at me when I say this,
Speaker 7: spell but Bill Russell, Bill Russell, Bill Russell. You know
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. The best they ever played the game
Speaker 7: is not gonna be the league scorer. The best to
Speaker 7: play the game is gonna be one. It's gonna be
Speaker 7: in the middle doing a lot of different things because
Speaker 7: he's gonna be able to help people out keep the
Speaker 7: ball and play. Bill Russell was the first one blocking shots.
Speaker 7: Keep the ball in play. You know, we was blocking
Speaker 7: shots doing that shit seventeen rolls up in the stairs.
Speaker 7: He was actually blocking shots and they was actually getting
Speaker 7: fucking layups off of him. So absolutely, man. I you know,
Speaker 7: as I look through the years of basketball, I think
Speaker 7: Will Chamberan was a beast, but ship Bill Russell was
Speaker 7: wearing his ass up. So let's keep it real. If
Speaker 7: you're talking about the all around best player of the game,
Speaker 7: you look and see how many championships they won, how
Speaker 7: long they did it, He's got to be up there, bro.
Speaker 7: So with that, I think, you know, I think unfortunately
Speaker 7: people forget about the age a little bit. People didn't
Speaker 7: get a chance to see those guys play. They don't
Speaker 7: really know the history of some of these older players
Speaker 7: played in the game back then, Lgim Baylor and some
Speaker 7: of these guys. But they don't They didn't get a
Speaker 7: chance to see some of these guys. All they see
Speaker 7: is a couple of clips. And now they forced to
Speaker 7: be able to look at Michael and Kobe and.
Speaker 1: Lebron most dominant player ever step on the basketball court,
Speaker 1: man Shack ninety five Finals run because shut the Boston
Speaker 1: Garden down, beat the Bulls, pace her battle and then
Speaker 1: you run into a team.
Speaker 2: And then in the finals.
Speaker 5: That was.
Speaker 15: My fault.
Speaker 8: We lost.
Speaker 16: Why you say that because as a leader, I didn't
Speaker 16: lead after we beat the Bulls, I let up, Mike,
Speaker 16: We're straight. We didn't play it Houston before. I think
Speaker 16: it was one and one on you know, even Siri,
Speaker 16: kam gonna get thirty. I'm gonna get twenty seven, right,
Speaker 16: and off the record, we had eight days off me
Speaker 16: and these guys was doing stuff we weren't supposed to
Speaker 16: be doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Yeah, they had like a little parade and all that.
Speaker 8: We were just celebrating.
Speaker 16: So it taught me never to celebrate too early, and
Speaker 16: then when we get in the game, we hang out
Speaker 16: with him and then it just you know, Nick's and
Speaker 16: you know, can't blame it on Nick. My fault because
Speaker 16: I didn't get the guys ready, but Nick missus the
Speaker 16: free throws. We go down on one second game, we
Speaker 16: go down, oh two, we go to Houston, we know
Speaker 16: we don't have a shot, so we get swept. But
Speaker 16: it just taught me never to celebrate too early, and
Speaker 16: then also put that hunger in me. And I said, okay,
Speaker 16: if I ever get back to the finals ever again,
Speaker 16: I got to dominate forties. Forget that twenty eight ten,
Speaker 16: I'll be telling me I got to be in the forties.
Speaker 16: That's why when we made to the finals, I was
Speaker 16: trying to put up big numbers because if we don't win,
Speaker 16: it's gonna be my fault. And as a leader, I
Speaker 16: accept that. I want that and once you say shit,
Speaker 16: I can't shit. That's why they lost it. I accept
Speaker 16: all those challenges because that's how it was for me
Speaker 16: as a youngster growing up with a drill sergeant father.
Speaker 5: If you walk to your.
Speaker 16: Brother and sisters to school, and your brother come back
Speaker 16: when his shirt messed up because he got jumped. That's
Speaker 16: your fault and I'm whooping your ass. Question handles right,
Speaker 16: no question. So it just taught me never to celebrate
Speaker 16: too early.
Speaker 1: Welcome to The show Man T two thousand Finals versus
Speaker 1: the Pacers. We're seeing Kobe turn into a star in
Speaker 1: front of our eyes. Jayden Rose spoke to this about
Speaker 1: that series. It's a new part of our show. We
Speaker 1: never did this before.
Speaker 7: He's coming on party.
Speaker 2: We hit us with to get down and laid down.
Speaker 17: That was dope because he was arguing with their bench
Speaker 17: like I used to hear Phil yelling at Kobe.
Speaker 15: Passed the ball, the ball, get off of it, Yeah.
Speaker 8: Get off of it.
Speaker 15: I don't know what.
Speaker 17: And he watched it right and Shaq fouled out. Hey man, Cole,
Speaker 17: I love cold so much. He went to work on
Speaker 17: us and then he hit that jumper at the top
Speaker 17: of the kid and he did this that wasn't even
Speaker 17: to us, that was to his team. When Cole first
Speaker 17: got drafted to the probably shouldn't say I'm just trying
Speaker 17: not to say too much of what I know. But
Speaker 17: like Cole was presented by his own teammates on show,
Speaker 17: his own teammates I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 10: They was hating on him.
Speaker 15: I'm like, why y'all gonna hate on.
Speaker 2: Him because he was that confident.
Speaker 18: But he ain't.
Speaker 2: He ain't even like go out, he ain't dream.
Speaker 1: He was over with us. We was in college. He
Speaker 1: was a laker on campus. Chilling when you hear stuff
Speaker 1: like that, taking you back to those times, what comes
Speaker 1: to your mind?
Speaker 6: Man, just a killer, just like we talked about it,
Speaker 6: just you know, shock foul out. So like everybody kind
Speaker 6: of panicked. So they thought, like, okay, shock foul out.
Speaker 6: We got to move the ball. We gotta get everybody involved,
Speaker 6: we gotta play a different style of basketball.
Speaker 19: And so I think Covid missed like three shots in
Speaker 19: a row.
Speaker 6: He like took a couple of bad shots whatever, and
Speaker 6: he missed three shots in a row.
Speaker 19: So guys like, man, you got to move the ball.
Speaker 6: And the field was on him a little bit in
Speaker 6: the time out, and he came out. I think he
Speaker 6: might have scored like twelve straight or something, and then
Speaker 6: he hit that big shot and he was.
Speaker 20: Like relaxed, like I got this.
Speaker 6: And after that, after that series, then that's when he
Speaker 6: it was over.
Speaker 21: It was over.
Speaker 19: Relaxed. I got it, so, you know.
Speaker 6: The reporter asked Kobe, He's like, you know, your teammate
Speaker 6: say you don't trust him? You don't said how you
Speaker 6: feel about that? He said, well, I feel like I
Speaker 6: got a better chance of making a shot out with
Speaker 6: two people than the guy's wide open.
Speaker 19: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 22: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You got serious?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 19: So you know I love him? I love him sure?
Speaker 2: With that, and with that.
Speaker 10: He might just make this ship now.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and one, fifteen to one in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: the infamous step over with Alan Iverson. He spoke to
Speaker 1: that on our show, and I think surprised a lot
Speaker 1: of people with his answer. Let's take a look at that.
Speaker 1: You guys run into the Lakers in the two thousand
Speaker 1: and one finals, go into La Get Game one, when
Speaker 1: you hit the jumper on Tilu and stepped over. I
Speaker 1: mean that still gets played daily looking back now, almost
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, what do you think about that?
Speaker 5: I don't like it?
Speaker 23: Really, he was giving me so many problems, man, straight
Speaker 23: dog like. When I stepped over him, it was like,
Speaker 23: I ain't no, I did it, And then they try
Speaker 23: to get me to mimic that shit years later, like,
Speaker 23: I don't even know how to do it. You don't
Speaker 23: know when you're gonna do something. You don't know the
Speaker 23: emotions in the game or what go on throughout the game.
Speaker 23: It can be a coach that pitched you off and
Speaker 23: you react a certain way, you know, to basically tell him, yeah,
Speaker 23: look what I did that moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was.
Speaker 23: It was dope when you look back on it, but
Speaker 23: I just don't like it.
Speaker 1: H Obviously a moment we live in a social media
Speaker 1: moment now that wasn't back then, but it's still something
Speaker 1: that kind of surfaces around speak to that moment, and
Speaker 1: then also your relationship.
Speaker 19: With him at the moment.
Speaker 6: You know, like I said, people make a big deal
Speaker 6: out of it, like he crossed me over and I
Speaker 6: fell down, and then he stepped over me like he
Speaker 6: had a contested shot. I stepped back and I failed,
Speaker 6: he stepped over top of me, and you know, for me,
Speaker 6: it wasn't even a big deal.
Speaker 19: Still to this day, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 6: And you get kids like, oh, that's the guy you
Speaker 6: weren't even born.
Speaker 14: I'm on that same mixtape. They showed me more highlights
Speaker 14: after they're falling.
Speaker 6: So I'm with you, But it wasn't even a big deal,
Speaker 6: like to me, you know what I'm saying. People make
Speaker 6: a big deal of it, like it's a part of history,
Speaker 6: and that's okay. Like I love I love Ai even
Speaker 6: before the series, like it's somehow idolized.
Speaker 24: He's two years.
Speaker 19: Older than me.
Speaker 6: But like, man, the corn rolls from the hood, like
Speaker 6: my height, all the things.
Speaker 1: That girls like.
Speaker 6: But like he he changed our game, like in thet
Speaker 6: to the culture of our game, like the change you know, Jordan,
Speaker 6: they weren't suits, they like te.
Speaker 2: White teas, change braids, Like.
Speaker 6: He changed the game for us as from where we
Speaker 6: come from. That's huge for us because a lot of times,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 19: It's young black men.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not comfortable wearing a suit, and if I
Speaker 6: get a suit, it might be a two hunds suit.
Speaker 19: Eddie Jones laughing at me, like what you got on?
Speaker 19: You know, you're always teasing people.
Speaker 6: So like he changed the culture for us and made
Speaker 6: it okay to be an NBA player but also be.
Speaker 19: Who you are. And so I idolized this dude.
Speaker 6: I told him from day one, and so when I
Speaker 6: played him every day in practice before he played in
Speaker 6: the finals, like just mimicking who he was and feel like.
Speaker 10: Play fast, do this.
Speaker 6: I knew every movie did Like I was so happy
Speaker 6: two weeks of just being a man move And so
Speaker 6: when I played against him in the game, I knew
Speaker 6: everything he was gonna do, like I swear to God,
Speaker 6: stack every every move, every counter. And so you know,
Speaker 6: to me, like I said, I idolize a dude. And
Speaker 6: so if it's a moment in history and he deserves
Speaker 6: it like he deserves it, like I don't, I don't
Speaker 6: make me.
Speaker 14: No, No, it was that because how he is the
Speaker 14: love for you, for you, like he don't like hot.
Speaker 14: People try to make it as it seem like he
Speaker 14: be liling you. You know what I'm saying, Because the
Speaker 14: love he got for you, that's why he don't like it.
Speaker 10: And I love that.
Speaker 6: But I mean, you ai, I'm t lou and I
Speaker 6: have no problem with that. Like I'm a realize both here. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean I'm a dog like you know all you like,
Speaker 6: like I'm a dog, like I'm a guard every night,
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna back down.
Speaker 19: If we got a scrap, I'm gonna scrap.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It is what it is.
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, like he's MVP
Speaker 6: and I'm just I'm just happy to be able to
Speaker 6: have a chance to compete against him at a high level.
Speaker 19: So I'm giving everything I got. But like I said,
Speaker 19: that's my guy, Like if he needed it or whatever,
Speaker 19: that's that's my.
Speaker 2: Guy to the end.
Speaker 14: They don't know Chuck is one of the most sensitive
Speaker 14: NBA players ever. He cry all that he gonna tell
Speaker 14: you he loved you twenty times, twenty times.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: People don't know that the random phone out the blue yea,
Speaker 1: I love you, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I love him too.
Speaker 19: To get a chance to compete against him in two
Speaker 19: thousand and one.
Speaker 6: I don't know where I would be because, like you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, Like, you don't know if you
Speaker 6: don't get an opportunity, like I was like on the
Speaker 6: bench kind of you know what I'm saying. I didn't
Speaker 6: play till six minutes to go in the third quarter.
Speaker 6: I didn't play the whole first half, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. So, like having an opportunity to compete against him,
Speaker 6: like it just it changed my career, changed my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that two thousand and one team one of
Speaker 1: the greatest, if the greatest of all time, all time.
Speaker 19: Yeah, the greatest of all time for sure. Nobody could
Speaker 19: beat that team.
Speaker 1: Who so it was name that wrote Who's who's on
Speaker 1: that roster with y'all?
Speaker 6: Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw, Rick Fox, Horse, Grant
Speaker 6: Shack Cold there yet Robert or Yeah, So, I mean
Speaker 6: it wasn't. I'm just basing off of Shock and Cold,
Speaker 6: like people talking about you know, Draymond got crazy, Like yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean nobody see the pro mean is what they
Speaker 6: understand is Shock, Like you know we can you can
Speaker 6: double team guard Shack? Ye forget everything everything.
Speaker 19: Else, Like how you're gonna guard Shack?
Speaker 6: Like that's that's the biggest thing because now you and
Speaker 6: the bonus for six minutes to go in the game,
Speaker 6: I mean the in the quarter. Now Kobe gets loose,
Speaker 6: you can't touch him night free line, So like, how
Speaker 6: are you gonna guard Shack?
Speaker 19: That's what people understand, like that was that was the best.
Speaker 6: That was the great team of all time to me,
Speaker 6: for sure, Kobe any Kobe and Shock team, I don't
Speaker 6: see how you can how you can beat that team.
Speaker 22: He's saying my brother Kenyan Mark k motherfucking Mark.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and two Finals.
Speaker 14: You guys and they came across that midpoint they were having.
Speaker 2: They came across the midpoint.
Speaker 5: So we're talking about that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that, oh too, Shock and Kobe,
Speaker 1: you were you guys run through the east and you
Speaker 1: guys run into them?
Speaker 2: What was it like?
Speaker 1: There was the one picture I think in that finals
Speaker 1: where Shack was dunking on everybody on the team at
Speaker 1: one time, absolutely.
Speaker 5: In one video.
Speaker 16: That is one of the best pictures in sport history,
Speaker 16: in NBA history though, like steel shots, that's one of
Speaker 16: the best pictures.
Speaker 2: Ever.
Speaker 1: How tough were they though? How tough were they in
Speaker 1: the it's But you were someone you had to guard.
Speaker 1: You you were a rare person could guard Shack and you.
Speaker 2: Had to you had to guard.
Speaker 25: I was the romer.
Speaker 16: I was the double guy. Because it fits like, wait,
Speaker 16: while I can't do nothing with that dude. If I
Speaker 16: did get caught on, all I have to do is
Speaker 16: try to front him, and he just pushed me up
Speaker 16: the lane. They thought it was impossible to guard.
Speaker 2: Impossible.
Speaker 16: Listen, man, So you pick your poison, do you try
Speaker 16: to play him straight up.
Speaker 5: You know what you're gonna do? Do you double swing swings?
Speaker 16: Now you got Now you got Derek Fischer going four
Speaker 16: for seven, Robert or going two for five, Devin George
Speaker 16: going too for It's just so then what do you do?
Speaker 16: And then you got the other animal that one on
Speaker 16: one is destroying.
Speaker 5: Us everybody in the world.
Speaker 16: He average shock, averaging thirty six. He averaged twenty six whatever,
Speaker 16: like it was impossible. But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 16: I I look back at it, like I averaged twenty
Speaker 16: two against them, like my second year average twenty twenty
Speaker 16: finals against them, Like I posted on like somebody like
Speaker 16: the number of points in these serious somebody posted like
Speaker 16: it was one of them apps.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I seen that thing. You were up there.
Speaker 1: That's right, I'm.
Speaker 5: Third on the list.
Speaker 1: Of course you had Shock and coke cole and then
Speaker 1: came on.
Speaker 16: You know what I'm saying, So I average twenty twenty
Speaker 16: finals like my second year, like game four and our
Speaker 16: home flow like man, we ain't getting swept like fuck that,
Speaker 16: Like I'm not going home tonight, Like we're going back there,
Speaker 16: like you.
Speaker 2: Went home that night.
Speaker 7: You were home that night.
Speaker 2: It happens though.
Speaker 16: Seventeen in the first thirty five for the game No,
Speaker 16: I hate, but wasn't.
Speaker 26: It was.
Speaker 5: It was a different animal.
Speaker 14: There was just no no machine, nothing you could put
Speaker 14: in front of shock in Cobe around that time.
Speaker 5: I don't care what it was. It was nothing. You
Speaker 5: could do nothing.
Speaker 7: And then the next.
Speaker 2: Year, next year, you run into these fellas.
Speaker 14: It came on down and say in the Texas boy,
Speaker 14: old spur boy, they ass got lucky. We split the
Speaker 14: first two games on their floor. No, we were scared
Speaker 14: with after y'all should have been. I told j JK
Speaker 14: was busting our ass.
Speaker 15: Bro.
Speaker 16: We split if we go home and get two because
Speaker 16: it was the two three two s they got with
Speaker 16: our home floor. If we go boy, listen, No, but
Speaker 16: Timmy was prob.
Speaker 5: He took one.
Speaker 27: He went to UH and took one in Jersey by
Speaker 27: him damnself.
Speaker 5: Some of the numbers he put up in that series.
Speaker 7: Dog.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 14: And when Tumbo was talking about don't double, all right,
Speaker 14: they stopped doubling. This is why they doubled him a Tumbo, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 14: how you want to hook crossover played away off the
Speaker 14: glass like Dumbo. Yeah, you need to come you have
Speaker 14: it your way, stopped playing.
Speaker 16: Bro and blocking everything. He playing offside on me and
Speaker 16: on the ball on me. Like now he did his
Speaker 16: thing and they had to double Yeah.
Speaker 5: What happened?
Speaker 1: That's that's swing swing Stack? What's Stack doing that game?
Speaker 5: Serious?
Speaker 7: I'm saying it went six? What I'm saying it went six?
Speaker 2: He that played well was raining?
Speaker 16: Yeah, we have a maxisions what I'm saying. No, but
Speaker 16: I didn't listen ye but one No, but one thing
Speaker 16: for show. Two things for certain. When employees six was guardening,
Speaker 16: there was no double teams. It wasn't no double team
Speaker 16: what I'm saying, Like he might have scored it all.
Speaker 16: He did his thing. But you can go ask that
Speaker 16: man to date did he had to work for each in,
Speaker 16: every one of them, know what I'm saying, Like I
Speaker 16: figured out how to guard people because having to guard
Speaker 16: him mm hmm. The problem where to meet him and
Speaker 16: force him to where I want him to go, instead
Speaker 16: of letting him walk me straight down the lane to
Speaker 16: catch the ball he wanted to and not letting him
Speaker 16: shoot them. He never shot that bank shot on me, ever,
Speaker 16: I wouldn't allow.
Speaker 5: It was on him.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm a crowded, you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 16: therefore I'm gonna take something away. You're gonna have to
Speaker 16: do something else, Like that's the one you can get
Speaker 16: to make him do something. You got to make him
Speaker 16: do something else. So therefore, no, he was like, shout
Speaker 16: out to him. What I'm saying, He made me better?
Speaker 16: What made him made me? In that series?
Speaker 5: Though he welcomed the double team, he waited on me.
Speaker 5: He waited, he waited.
Speaker 16: Yeah, no, no, he he made me a better basketball
Speaker 16: player and a better defender, him and a couple of guys,
Speaker 16: but him was definitely.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this.
Speaker 14: So we was hearing the same thing because me and
Speaker 14: you was together up damn after every game. So we
Speaker 14: was hearing the same things about Jay Kid possibly coming
Speaker 14: to San Antonia. What was you thinking about that when
Speaker 14: you was hearing that too?
Speaker 16: I ain't think nothing of it, to be honest, saying,
Speaker 16: I know they had and all that.
Speaker 14: I was just I didn't if you were the winning win,
Speaker 14: I was hoping they was getting rid of Tony.
Speaker 16: Yeah, like if you win, you win. You know what
Speaker 16: I'm saying, Yeah, like now you would have changed everything.
Speaker 16: You know what I'm saying, of course, but please, but
Speaker 16: history has You know what I'm saying, he stayed and
Speaker 16: then they got rid of me, so m they would
Speaker 16: pay me and it still didn't work. Yeah what I'm saying,
Speaker 16: the didn't want to pay me, so they had.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they made some bad moves.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Show Byron Scott.
Speaker 1: So that off season Marbury for j Kid and then
Speaker 1: fast forward the two thousand and three finals Nets versus Spurs,
Speaker 1: Young stacky versus old team. What's going through your head
Speaker 1: as because like I said, you on your young bullshit,
Speaker 1: So it's it's all payback in your mind.
Speaker 14: But let me say this, even though it was it
Speaker 14: was two years because the first year I was on
Speaker 14: injured list when I left, and the second third year
Speaker 14: I played in two thousand and three, so I had
Speaker 14: a left I had a left time to grow in
Speaker 14: that San Antonio Spur system.
Speaker 5: For two years. I was learning how to be a professional.
Speaker 14: I was around Steve Smith, I was going to church
Speaker 14: with David Robinson, so I was starting I was starting
Speaker 14: to grow up a little bit. So that's how I
Speaker 14: ended up being in the starting lineup. I was learning
Speaker 14: how to be a professional. So I just wanted to
Speaker 14: just play. Well, you know what, I'm saying, yes, your
Speaker 14: old team, but I just wanted to play. Well, you
Speaker 14: know what I'm saying, that's all I was focused on.
Speaker 1: So and your that's your third year coaching, third year coaching,
Speaker 1: you find yourself in the NBA finals, Like, what's going
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 28: When I wrote back to back to back? Yeah, we went,
Speaker 28: We went San Antonio doing with the Lakers.
Speaker 1: So you as a player, you've experienced that as a player.
Speaker 1: Now your experience is from a coaches point of view,
Speaker 1: like what what's your mindset and what's your preparation and thinking?
Speaker 2: Like in the finals.
Speaker 28: Well, you know what, It's funny because I think the
Speaker 28: first finals we got.
Speaker 5: To was the Lakers, and that was ugly. It was ugly.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 28: We had Jack, you know, we had no answer with Shock.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 28: Yeah, you know, we had guys that could guard Kobe.
Speaker 28: They can't stop Kobe, yeah, but they could make it
Speaker 28: tough on Kobe and you know he's still gonna get
Speaker 28: twenty five thirty.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, just look at that.
Speaker 5: I was like this and I was at the crib.
Speaker 2: He dunked on the whole team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 28: The shack man Man, Shack Shack was so dominant. It
Speaker 28: was unbelievable. So I knew he was in trouble because
Speaker 28: I told I told the team, you know, before the game,
Speaker 28: I said, this is this is something that you guys
Speaker 28: have never experienced. So when we come out, make sure
Speaker 28: you're focused on the game, you know, because we had
Speaker 28: the Staples Center, right, So the guys come out, be
Speaker 28: and my coaching staff. We walk out about the three
Speaker 28: minute mark instead of two minute mark. And I'm standing
Speaker 28: there and I'm watching our guys warm up, and I'm going, man.
Speaker 5: Were about to get the ship beat out of us?
Speaker 5: Because they were like looking around deer head, like, man, you.
Speaker 28: Know that, yes, we about to get the ship beat
Speaker 28: out of us, right, And they went up about twenty
Speaker 28: five so fast.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 28: For the rest of the game. We played even but yo,
Speaker 28: they swept us in that series. But we we we
Speaker 28: really played well for three cores the street and half quarter.
Speaker 5: We just couldn't.
Speaker 28: We had nothing for Shack, you know, and when you know,
Speaker 28: you guys both know when he come ready to play,
Speaker 28: there's nothing you can do. We double team d we
Speaker 28: triple team d uh. And it was just nothing we
Speaker 28: could do. And we just we were just out man.
Speaker 28: They just had a much better basketball team. But it
Speaker 28: was it was great for me to be able to
Speaker 28: take a team back to la where I'm from and
Speaker 28: to be in the finals, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 28: as a coach.
Speaker 5: So that was a very proud moment for me.
Speaker 1: And then the following year, you find yourself right back
Speaker 1: in the finals. Now you're against Tim Duncan and the Spurs.
Speaker 28: Against Jack and the Dunk and Tim Duncan and those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 28: he was on the mission. Unbelievable season. You know, probably
Speaker 28: should have got m VP, to be honest with you,
Speaker 28: him and Tim was right there. Him and Tim was
Speaker 28: right there, and we gave him a fight, you know,
Speaker 28: but they were there again. You know when you got
Speaker 28: your Jack and Genoblee, you know their their wing players
Speaker 28: were so good. You know, Tony Park was that Robinsons
Speaker 28: last year, and then you got Tim Duncan. He was
Speaker 28: like out, Yeah, we just I mean again, you could
Speaker 28: you could guard certain guys, you can't stop him. You
Speaker 28: can make it hard on as we tried to do.
Speaker 28: But you know, San Antonio was such a great team,
Speaker 28: so we knew, you know, there was four to two
Speaker 28: in that series and Pop who I got so much
Speaker 28: respect for coach, you know, just unbelievable coach.
Speaker 5: You know, he is one of.
Speaker 28: Those coaches that still to this day is still old
Speaker 28: school in his mentality as far as discipline, doing shit
Speaker 28: the right way, and if you don't, you sit down.
Speaker 5: That's what I tell him.
Speaker 14: I say, Pop is more of a coach, He's more
Speaker 14: like a leader because he leads the whole organization into
Speaker 14: even if the team is not good enough, you come
Speaker 14: into that season believing you can, you win in the championship.
Speaker 27: It's just that, just to feel around the whole organization.
Speaker 1: And he started that right Rip Hamilton, Welcome to the
Speaker 1: show Man. He obviously talked about your team, how you
Speaker 1: guys are perfectly constructed. You guys run into a great
Speaker 1: Laker team where many teams didn't give you a shot,
Speaker 1: and you're playing against you know, one of your high
Speaker 1: school How many people can say they played like one
Speaker 1: of their best friend from high school in the finals
Speaker 1: and then beat him.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about that was because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't think many people gave you
Speaker 1: guys a chance because of Shaq and Kobe's dynamic. But
Speaker 1: you guys just had a deeper, better team.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: You know what it was, like I said, it was you.
Speaker 9: We were built on against all odds, like my man
Speaker 9: Tupac said, right, you know, we felt like we were misfits.
Speaker 9: You know, we felt like teams gave up on us
Speaker 9: too early. My situation in Washington, Chauncey situation him, you know,
Speaker 9: being on a few teams before he got there, Tay
Speaker 9: Shawn being a number twenty second pick at that time
Speaker 9: when he felt like he should have been the top
Speaker 9: fifteen pick. Ben Wallace being moved all around, you know,
Speaker 9: him not being respected Rashid you know, you going through
Speaker 9: the stuff that he went through in Portland. So we
Speaker 9: felt like we felt like man like, to be honest,
Speaker 9: we were the better team, you know, but going against La,
Speaker 9: like I said, going against Shaq and Cole probably the
Speaker 9: best one two punch of our air pretty much.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And and Cole from the from the standpoint of me
Speaker 9: knowing him as a kid, always been a killer. So
Speaker 9: I know that he's gonna come ready, right, So I
Speaker 9: can always remember, like h going to to Ben and
Speaker 9: Chauncey and she and and Tay, and I used to
Speaker 9: tell him like yo, man, this dude been. He beat
Speaker 9: me for a state championship in high school because that
Speaker 9: was our thing. It was always a back and forth thing.
Speaker 9: You know, who would get the upper hand? Uh he
Speaker 9: won there, he he won, he got. He won the
Speaker 9: state championship that year. So when I went a national
Speaker 9: championship in college, I called him and was like, yo, bro,
Speaker 9: you can have that high school championship.
Speaker 2: That shit don't mean nothing. I got a college. I
Speaker 2: got to college.
Speaker 9: He was like, real, man, in two years, I'm gonna
Speaker 9: have two NBA championships.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah right.
Speaker 9: He was like, trust me, two years, I'm gonna have
Speaker 9: two of them. So that you know me, that back
Speaker 9: and forth was was us since kids.
Speaker 2: So he was like, man, you don't want to no.
Speaker 9: So when we got there on that stage and knowing
Speaker 9: the history of us going back and forth and always
Speaker 9: competing against each other, I'm looking at Chauncey and I'm like, bro,
Speaker 9: I can't let this dude beat me again. Hell nah,
Speaker 9: Like like I fuck that. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 9: I can't live with myself if he beats me on
Speaker 9: the highest stage, Like, bro, y'all dudes have to have
Speaker 9: my back. And I can remember being saying to myself, bro,
Speaker 9: what you're talking about?
Speaker 5: Rip shit?
Speaker 11: I got shock, Like he said, all this stuff, I
Speaker 11: gotta and.
Speaker 9: I got to guard him head up, I said, Bro,
Speaker 9: I get it, I get it, but I can't leave
Speaker 9: this game, this series with with with allowed this dude
Speaker 9: to beat me. So you know, it was fun man,
Speaker 9: Like I said, confidence wise, we believe that we can
Speaker 9: beat them, you know, but we know it was gonna
Speaker 9: be an uphill, uphill battle, just knowing that the roster
Speaker 9: they had up they had set up with Gary Payton
Speaker 9: and Karl Malone on that team also, but uh, we
Speaker 9: just fell.
Speaker 2: Pelsog was our year.
Speaker 14: We got our big bro on the show today, coach
Speaker 14: of the Portland trail Blazers, big Shot Billips.
Speaker 1: Detroit has a number two pick. You got a chance
Speaker 1: to get Carmelo Anthony. We talked to him about this shit,
Speaker 1: and he his whole energy changed the thought of what
Speaker 1: would have happened if I would have got drafted by Detroit.
Speaker 1: You guys take Darko. Obviously took a chance. Didn't work,
Speaker 1: but you guys had a hell of a team. But
Speaker 1: imagine that team with Carmelo Anthony. Oh my goodness, man,
Speaker 1: what was your guys initial thought process? Though when it happened,
Speaker 1: we all thought we was taking Mellow. Okay, we all
Speaker 1: was on deck. We was always on board. We all
Speaker 1: thought Mellows, Mellow, Mellow. We excited. It was perfect. Obviously
Speaker 1: we had a team. We took Tayshawn the year before,
Speaker 1: but tay would have been could have put him in
Speaker 1: perfect six man Swiss, he would do whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: So I thought we was perfectly built to have Melo.
Speaker 1: So what your starting lineup would have been if Mellow
Speaker 1: would have came.
Speaker 5: Mellow would have been at the three.
Speaker 29: Obviously ripped myself being we didn't have shed at the
Speaker 29: time that later season, yeah, during them by the end
Speaker 29: of the season, So it would have been she been Mellow,
Speaker 29: you and Rip with Tayshawn coming off the bench doing everything.
Speaker 29: It would have been crazy. Here's the here's the interesting question.
Speaker 29: I say this all the time. So if we do
Speaker 29: get Mellow, when was Bron gonna ever takeover?
Speaker 1: Because people forget Mellow was neck and neck with Bron rookie.
Speaker 5: A hell of a rookie season. But now we're in
Speaker 5: the same division.
Speaker 1: But he has you, you have a he has a
Speaker 1: way better support system with y'all.
Speaker 29: That's what I'm saying now. Now he gonna get raised
Speaker 29: right in the game, his whole five times, his whole
Speaker 29: directory of his career changes every narrative on him, his legacy.
Speaker 29: So I'm saying, bron is Broun and we all know
Speaker 29: he's incredible on Mount Rushmore, But when was he ever
Speaker 29: gonna beat and be better than y'all with Melow? You
Speaker 29: know what I'm saying, Like it's it's a it's an
Speaker 29: interesting question, yeah, Marry, but yeah, we all thought we was.
Speaker 5: We all thought it was Mellow was taking Mellow.
Speaker 29: Damn who was the gym at the time, Joe du
Speaker 29: marsh Damn, Joe d d Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, tricky plays fuck up.
Speaker 14: I guess go ahead, Jack, two thousand and four Finals,
Speaker 14: the whole world say, y'all didn't have a shot.
Speaker 5: No, y'all wasn't thinking that? What was that? What was
Speaker 5: your train of thought?
Speaker 29: We're here, it's funny, man, but we thought they didn't
Speaker 29: have a shot, like for real though. It's not even
Speaker 29: nothing cocky though, Like we was just we felt like
Speaker 29: the way that they played and the way that we played,
Speaker 29: we was a team dog like we knew that we
Speaker 29: can't stop Cold, we can't stop shot them. They the
Speaker 29: best two players in the whole series. But our game
Speaker 29: plan was gonna be thorough, and we knew that they
Speaker 29: couldn't stop picking rolls with me and they can't stop
Speaker 29: ripping pen downs. So we knew that we had to
Speaker 29: things that know way that they could stop it. We
Speaker 29: can get a good shot anytime, and we knew we
Speaker 29: was just gonna trap the hell out of Cold and
Speaker 29: we was gonna play shocked straight up and try to
Speaker 29: stay out of foul trouble. We was gonna be fine.
Speaker 29: I really really felt like there was no way that
Speaker 29: they could beat us in the series. I said it
Speaker 29: and told my wife that before the series. She laughed
Speaker 29: at me.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 29: She even laughed at me like, man, what, yeah, it's funny, we.
Speaker 1: Can d Ham was sitting here earlier today and he
Speaker 1: just said he felt like something was off with them,
Speaker 1: a little bit between their big fit. They're big two,
Speaker 1: and you guys seen it and just went to work
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 29: Yeah, we played into that, like for instance, like I'm
Speaker 29: sitting there like, we know that we could beat them.
Speaker 29: It wasn't a talent thing. We didn't have the best
Speaker 29: talent in the series. We had the best team and
Speaker 29: we did play on that. You know, at that time,
Speaker 29: Cole had won finals MVP. It's always been Shocked. We
Speaker 29: knew they had their little thing and we really played
Speaker 29: into that. You know, we really did. Like we we
Speaker 29: trapped Cold. Cod was really frustrated with us trapping him.
Speaker 29: We played shocked man the man shot getting thirty five
Speaker 29: and eighteen. But we're keeping them on the floor because
Speaker 29: we going at you know what I'm saying, Like our
Speaker 29: game plan was really good. It played to theay Psyche.
Speaker 29: They didn't really let GP or Karl malon. They didn't
Speaker 29: throw them the ball, they didn't let them do nothing.
Speaker 29: You know what I mean. You know how the triangle was,
Speaker 29: so we had to worry about Cold, worry about Shock
Speaker 29: everybody else. We just stay close. They didn't have no freedom.
Speaker 29: We just had too many weapons. We had too many weapons,
Speaker 29: and we just had we played faster. We was just
Speaker 29: a better basketball team.
Speaker 14: You have a twenty one to five shot forty seven
Speaker 14: from three and won to fin his MVP big shot,
Speaker 14: she said, his whole life flash when the buzzer sounded.
Speaker 5: Talk about that, knowing you a champion.
Speaker 29: Yeah, yeah, that was obviously my shining moment in my career.
Speaker 29: She will say the same, Ripishitus. Everybody will say the same,
Speaker 29: because that's how we played for, you know, for the win.
Speaker 29: You know, that's how I grew up in the game.
Speaker 29: Is you talk about going against other guys and competing
Speaker 29: against other guys and all those names you listed. The
Speaker 29: only thing as a point guard that matters is winning, right,
Speaker 29: So if I win, say you got twenty eight and twelve,
Speaker 29: I got eighteen and eleven, but I won. I want
Speaker 29: to match up. That's how I'm built though, you know
Speaker 29: what I mean. So, like, all I cared about was winning,
Speaker 29: and I always felt like I could lead. I always
Speaker 29: felt like I could be a great player, and so
Speaker 29: in that moment, I validated that for not only for myself,
Speaker 29: for everybody. So it was it was my shinning It
Speaker 29: was my shinning moment. It was the best moment. You know,
Speaker 29: my best sports moment in my life is being able
Speaker 29: to win it. I didn't even care about the finals MVP.
Speaker 29: I wasn't gunning for that. I just want to be aampion.
Speaker 29: I wasn't gonna for that at all. I didn't care
Speaker 29: about that I wanted to be a No, I didn't.
Speaker 29: I didn't care about that. I want to be a champion.
Speaker 29: So that was the That was the best feeling in
Speaker 29: the world.
Speaker 5: It was. It was the greatest, she say.
Speaker 14: They stayed up and ring the dawn there all night,
Speaker 14: back and forth all night, all night.
Speaker 29: I still didn't drink. You know what's crazy is I
Speaker 29: told the funniest thing I told. I promised she that
Speaker 29: I would smoke with them, yeah if we won. And
Speaker 29: I promised Ben and them that I drink.
Speaker 5: Didn't do either.
Speaker 29: So we won, right, I was like, I ain't doing
Speaker 29: it because you know why, I don't want to forget
Speaker 29: about nothing that happened tonight. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 29: I don't want to be too. I don't want to
Speaker 29: be nothing somber. From until the next morning, was just
Speaker 29: straight adrenaline, going hard, wat watching everybody be crazy, laughing
Speaker 29: at everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. Everyone welcome Kevin Garnett one and all.
Speaker 1: You were able to help bring back the Celtics Laker rivalry.
Speaker 1: You guys met in the finals. You guys got one,
Speaker 1: they got one. Tell me what it was like going
Speaker 1: against Shaq and Kobe with your squad before I got
Speaker 1: to Boston. Now would battle the Lakers. It was always
Speaker 1: the premier game. It was nothing less.
Speaker 30: Playing shack was always entertaining, It was always hierarchy was
Speaker 30: always it was always the pinnacle. Uh Cobe and I
Speaker 30: knew each other. Shaq and I would befriend each other
Speaker 30: and become friends later, but the match ups was always
Speaker 30: high end. There was always electric. I was always felt
Speaker 30: like I was under man So when I had perk,
Speaker 30: who would who battle? Who would battle anybody and don't.
Speaker 5: Care about anything.
Speaker 30: Right, Shaq was in Cleveland as we was making our
Speaker 30: runs and stuff, so I felt like this is a
Speaker 30: great time to have redemption on that whole COVID shack
Speaker 30: thing in the West. I felt like this was redemption
Speaker 30: and now you know, they was kind of separated, so
Speaker 30: that when I when I actually went up against both
Speaker 30: of those guys, it felt like a payback for me.
Speaker 30: But that ship won less than one, less than magical,
Speaker 30: like epic, like not a lot of ship talking out here,
Speaker 30: but it's a lot of buckets, it's a lot of
Speaker 30: a lot of tapping, it's a.
Speaker 8: Lot of you know, it's a lot of.
Speaker 5: You better get over here, like yeah, you know.
Speaker 30: What I'm saying, And there's a bunch of it now.
Speaker 30: I ain't no switching. And it was win both ways.
Speaker 30: Even though the big fellow was big and he knew
Speaker 30: he was a house I told him when he came
Speaker 30: out to Cleveland and I and the doctor was like, Yo,
Speaker 30: I need you to guard a shock for like two minutes.
Speaker 30: I was like, holy shit, guarding shack is like holding
Speaker 30: up the side of a house shaw. I was trying
Speaker 30: to see a wall in here, see a face of wall.
Speaker 30: I can't even describe it. But I played Shock for
Speaker 30: two minutes and couldn't give nobody no high five. I
Speaker 30: was just like, arms was so tired, y'all.
Speaker 5: I couldn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 30: Like if you slapped me, I would have to be like, yo,
Speaker 30: you know what I'm saying. I couldn't even go. I
Speaker 30: couldn't even protect myself. But playing those two brought the
Speaker 30: best out of you every time you played them. Every
Speaker 30: time you played COVID was nothing shy or nothing, nothing
Speaker 30: less than the electric And it was all about wins.
Speaker 2: It was all about wins and rings.
Speaker 30: And when I got to Boston, it was just it
Speaker 30: was just just different times. But I've always enjoyed playing
Speaker 30: against those guys. There was always a challenge to play
Speaker 30: those guys, and it was always hard to get a
Speaker 30: win on them.
Speaker 22: You know what I'm saying straight up?
Speaker 1: So a Hall of Fame career, I mean, you'll be
Speaker 1: going inducted at twenty twenty. I mean, tell me what
Speaker 1: that kid from South Carolina that came up the way
Speaker 1: you came up Mom's working graveyard, you having to do
Speaker 1: what you have to do to everything. Twenty five years
Speaker 1: later you could be inbducted to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Tell me what that feels like.
Speaker 30: I never thought that. I never really I never really
Speaker 30: cite my I really never put that on the goal,
Speaker 30: never put that on the paper. It was all about
Speaker 30: busting these guys they asked right here, crossing their name out.
Speaker 30: It was always about being the best in this right here,
Speaker 30: and putting your name at the top and that and
Speaker 30: that and that was it. I never really imagine taking
Speaker 30: this and being global. Never had a vision of that.
Speaker 5: I just wanted.
Speaker 30: To be able to have a list of motherfuckers that
Speaker 30: you thought was better than me, and I wanted to
Speaker 30: bust all the ass.
Speaker 5: And that was it.
Speaker 2: Co too, We talked a little kill list.
Speaker 15: What you're doing.
Speaker 30: Ain't got no vision who you chasing, who you being?
Speaker 30: Who the king in the mountain? Like right, that's what
Speaker 30: That's what competition is, Joe. It's about who's on king
Speaker 30: in the mountain, who's on top, and how and how
Speaker 30: you can take him off that or her, you know
Speaker 30: what I'm saying, like straight up. And then that's polishing
Speaker 30: your tools and at the same time pushing it. You know,
Speaker 30: you got to push this line of creativity, got to
Speaker 30: push the lines of competition. Gott to push this line
Speaker 30: of originality, you know, like for me, that that's everything.
Speaker 2: Welcome man, Rajon Rondou. What was it like?
Speaker 1: You know, as I mentioned at the top of the show,
Speaker 1: you won a championship for the Boston Celtics. You want
Speaker 1: a championship for the Los Angeles Lakers. Has it kind
Speaker 1: of sunk in?
Speaker 7: Yet?
Speaker 1: Obviously you still have more time And until I finished,
Speaker 1: I didn't really kind of look back at anything I
Speaker 1: had done. But has it kind of sunk in that
Speaker 1: you want a championship for the two greatest franchises in
Speaker 1: the sports history.
Speaker 18: It's definitely sunk in, but you know it's still being
Speaker 18: active right now. It's you know, my main focus is
Speaker 18: obviously now going into the season so quickly, is.
Speaker 31: The Hawks and helping us grow as much as possible.
Speaker 2: But you know, I see it.
Speaker 18: I hear it every day, understanding of what I've accomplished,
Speaker 18: but it still hasn't really hit it sunk in for
Speaker 18: the most part. But I'm definitely aware and grateful with
Speaker 18: the opportunity to be able to just play this game
Speaker 18: for so long and one or two more story franchise
Speaker 18: in history.
Speaker 31: It's definitely a blessing to do what I did in
Speaker 31: my career so far.
Speaker 14: What has it been like, you know, just just being
Speaker 14: you know, being a champion again, Like you know, I
Speaker 14: got a chance to experience mag got a chance to experience.
Speaker 14: But being able to be back at the tip, being
Speaker 14: at the mountain top twice, you know, how does that
Speaker 14: feel the second go around?
Speaker 5: For me?
Speaker 18: It's even better? You know you obviously guys, you saw it.
Speaker 18: It's a crazy quick story. When I won back in
Speaker 18: Oh wait E House Son Eddie House, Sun was always
Speaker 18: on the sidelines in a round, and you know, I
Speaker 18: was like, damn, that'd be dope, you know what I mean,
Speaker 18: Like if I had the opportunity to do the same thing,
Speaker 18: you know what I mean. So I wanted to, you know,
Speaker 18: I want the kids earlier I had kids. My son
Speaker 18: is nine now, and you know, for him to be
Speaker 18: able to become experienced in the bubble let alone. We
Speaker 18: wanted back last year when I hit the game, when
Speaker 18: I shot against the Celtics, he was there, you know,
Speaker 18: on the floor. So you know, for him to be
Speaker 18: able to experience that, you know, full circle like the manifested,
Speaker 18: you know, nine.
Speaker 31: Ten years later or twelve years later. Uh, you know,
Speaker 31: to come full circle.
Speaker 18: It was definitely a surreal moment to be able to
Speaker 18: have been there with me celebrating my second championship, So
Speaker 18: winning one at twenty twenty one now thirty four. You know,
Speaker 18: it's a big difference, you know, like I said, just
Speaker 18: having people around me that I love, being able to
Speaker 18: witness an experience that as well with me. So it's
Speaker 18: been a hell of a run. You know, leaving the
Speaker 18: bubble was it is, is what it is. But after leaving,
Speaker 18: you know, I enjoyed myself in a nice vacation. We
Speaker 18: celebrated with the team, We kicked it with you know,
Speaker 18: a couple of days and a couple of different cities
Speaker 18: and just enjoying life every moment.
Speaker 14: You gotta you gotta blow that picture up though, with
Speaker 14: you and your son on the court, that has to be. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you ever decided to drop an hour, if you.
Speaker 5: Ever drop a little like like like me did.
Speaker 2: A little quarantine, packed up songs, that gotta be.
Speaker 5: The cover that got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was was a beautiful picture. It's funny you
Speaker 1: said that because that was my best experience. Obviously I
Speaker 1: got hurt going into the playoffs and and and and
Speaker 1: didn't play as much obviously as I'd want to, and
Speaker 1: when I won a championship, but the best thing was
Speaker 1: that the twins were there, so you know, Steve Kurr,
Speaker 1: let them fly on the plane, go to practice with us,
Speaker 1: be in the hotels, be in the locker room, be
Speaker 1: on the sideline, and when we had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: win it, these two little dudes are up next to
Speaker 1: Stephan Clay trying to hold the championship trophy and trying
Speaker 1: to get the m v P trophy from from from
Speaker 1: KD you know what I mean. So that was the
Speaker 1: best moment. That's still when I talk about it, what
Speaker 1: gives me it was about it is because that's something
Speaker 1: you can't pay for, that's something you can Unless you're
Speaker 1: in the moment, you'll never understand what it means to
Speaker 1: that kid's And a little side note, I think a
Speaker 1: great thing. He's your son at the same age the
Speaker 1: twins were when we won it, and I got them
Speaker 1: championship rings for Christmas and they lost their minds, so I.
Speaker 2: Know they may. They may replica little rings too. If
Speaker 2: you need an idea for a Christmas President, just want
Speaker 2: to throw that out there.
Speaker 1: Welcome JJ Reddick your three. You guys run into Lebron.
Speaker 1: You guys knock out the Celtics minus KG, knock out
Speaker 1: the reigning MVP Lebron James, and face Kobe and the
Speaker 1: Lakers in the finals. What was that like being on
Speaker 1: that stage and only your thirty year removed from college, Man.
Speaker 32: Of the some of the best memories of my career,
Speaker 32: to be honest with you, and and that playoff run
Speaker 32: was really the turning point in my career because I
Speaker 32: came out of college with a lot of confidence and
Speaker 32: I got punched in the mouth my first two years.
Speaker 32: I really got punched in the mouth and to the
Speaker 32: point where you know that summer between my second and
Speaker 32: third year, I had to like reshape my body. I
Speaker 32: had to I had to basically redo my my sophomore
Speaker 32: in to junior year back at Duke all over again.
Speaker 32: And at that point, it was about survival and it
Speaker 32: was about sticking in the league. And I remember having
Speaker 32: conversations with my agent that summer like what would what
Speaker 32: would be options in Europe?
Speaker 2: Like how does how do how does it work in Russia?
Speaker 32: So that playoff run, you know, I was finally like
Speaker 32: a rotation player, but there were still some nights where.
Speaker 2: I got those d NP coaches decisions, you know, and
Speaker 2: and that playoff run.
Speaker 32: Courtney lee Uh broke his face in Game five against
Speaker 32: Philly in the first round. So I started Game six,
Speaker 32: which is was a closeout game in Philly on the road,
Speaker 32: and I hit five threes, played really well. Then I
Speaker 32: started the whole Boston series. I guarded ray Allen the
Speaker 32: whole series and.
Speaker 2: Then got to you know, we beat Cleveland.
Speaker 32: I got to play against Kobe in the finals, So
Speaker 32: you know that that to me gave me all the
Speaker 32: confidence like I belonged in the NBA. And I remember
Speaker 32: distinctly like feeling in the Boston Series, like okay, like
Speaker 32: this is it, Like this is what I've been after
Speaker 32: for three years. You know, We're in Boston and KG
Speaker 32: was hurt and he's fucking screaming at me the whole game,
Speaker 32: you know, just obscenities from the bench, and I'm like,
Speaker 32: this is what I want.
Speaker 2: This is what I want.
Speaker 32: You all the way over there on the other bench,
Speaker 32: you know, and a souon like I was for most
Speaker 32: of my first two years. So that playoff run was
Speaker 32: was life changing for me. And truthfully, like we all
Speaker 32: have Kobe stories, and I have, I have a couple,
Speaker 32: like more personal ones, but I'm like eighty, hopefully I'm
Speaker 32: still a live. But when I'm like eighty, I'm gonna
Speaker 32: tell my grandkids like I guarded Kobe Bryant in the
Speaker 32: NBA Finals and yes he got the best of me,
Speaker 32: but I had some stop I had some stops.
Speaker 1: Check now are you counting stuffs? When when when he
Speaker 1: passed the ball or you actually stopped him?
Speaker 2: Come on, man, come on, man, don't do that.
Speaker 1: So the following year, you guys, you guys, battle LA
Speaker 1: falls short to l A. The next season, myself and
Speaker 1: Vince come we have a you know, a great season.
Speaker 1: You play all eighty two games. You know, you were
Speaker 1: one of our consistent guys night in night out. I've
Speaker 1: always kind of had a feeling of what happened, because
Speaker 1: you remember, if you remember j j As when we
Speaker 1: beat this ship out of Jack and Charlotte. We swept
Speaker 1: him and beat him by like thirty a game. And
Speaker 1: although Jack had a couple games where you got some points,
Speaker 1: we just Beau out of his team, beat the breaks off,
Speaker 1: and then we destroyed Atlanta and then correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: It didn't.
Speaker 1: We go into the West Eastern Conference finals and Stan
Speaker 1: was on some ship like that.
Speaker 2: You know, this is a.
Speaker 1: Very you know, veteran driven team. We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: switch a little bit the offense something completely fucking give
Speaker 1: our offense the facelift or am I was I just
Speaker 1: smoking too much weed back then?
Speaker 2: I think you've always been smoking too much weed.
Speaker 32: First of all, Game four of the Charlotte series, we're
Speaker 32: up three to oh keep in mind, and it's like
Speaker 32: the second quarter and Jack makes a three and he's like,
Speaker 32: I'm still here.
Speaker 2: I'm still fucking here.
Speaker 32: Going back down the court, I'm like, man, you're asked
Speaker 32: about to get swept. Man, shut up, Jack, Come on, man,
Speaker 32: you guys had no chance anyway.
Speaker 5: Anyway, He's right, right, so right, I.
Speaker 2: Thought, Matt.
Speaker 32: I thought twenty ten truthfully was the best team that
Speaker 32: should that was the best team I played on the NBA.
Speaker 2: Even though we made the finals of No.
Speaker 32: Nine, our twenty ten team was the best team I
Speaker 32: played on.
Speaker 2: Loaded man, most games up won in the NBA.
Speaker 32: We had a stretch where we were thirty three and
Speaker 32: eight to end the season, and then we went eight
Speaker 32: to zero in the playoffs. So we're going to that
Speaker 32: Boston series on a forty one and eight run.
Speaker 2: Beating the shit out of people. And I think, as.
Speaker 32: Often times happened with really really smart coaches and really
Speaker 32: detail oriented coaches is that they can get ahead of themselves.
Speaker 32: So they it was almost like Stan adjusted before the four.
Speaker 1: It needed to be made before we had to because
Speaker 1: then we beat up We in the season series. We
Speaker 1: beat them three to one, right if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: And we played well against.
Speaker 32: Them, and so they you know it was you know,
Speaker 32: Timms was the defensive coordinator. It was all that strong
Speaker 32: side stuff, guy at the nail, weakside, pulling all the
Speaker 32: way over and Stan just felt like it wasn't in
Speaker 32: our best interest to run like a steady diet of
Speaker 32: high pick and rolls.
Speaker 2: So it was what we honested, like motion, but it was.
Speaker 32: Just more like side to side stuff and looking back,
Speaker 32: like that's how everybody plays now. But it was like
Speaker 32: an adjustment on the fly that we had to make,
Speaker 32: and it just, you know, I don't necessarily think that
Speaker 32: it fit all of our personnel, if that makes sense.
Speaker 32: Like for me, it was great because I was like, oh,
Speaker 32: I don't want to get in a wrestling match with
Speaker 32: Tony Allen, you know, in a half court setting, but
Speaker 32: if you get me on the move and the balls movement, okay,
Speaker 32: now I can attack a club and make a play.
Speaker 32: So it was a great series for me, but I
Speaker 32: think for a lot of our guys, we hadn't played
Speaker 32: that way the whole year.
Speaker 2: So we get down three to zero, we win a couple.
Speaker 32: Of games, and then we lose in game six, and
Speaker 32: you know, Matt, I mean, I know you ended up
Speaker 32: winning one in Golden State, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 32: for me, I didn't realize that was going to be
Speaker 32: my like, you know, ten years later, that was my
Speaker 32: last chance real chance that I've had.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm under the assumption, like, oh, no, we'll
Speaker 2: be back next year. We had I think we had
Speaker 2: the best team in the league this year. We'll be
Speaker 2: back next year.
Speaker 32: And then Lebron and Chris Bosh and d Wade go
Speaker 32: to Miami and then as they're transitioning out, all of
Speaker 32: a sudden, the Warriors come along. And so it's like
Speaker 32: those two years in Orlando where we had a legit
Speaker 32: chance to win, like that was.
Speaker 1: That window closed? That window it close fast, coach, and
Speaker 1: closed really fast.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 1: I always say that was one of the most talented teams.
Speaker 1: We had a legit ten guys that were ready to
Speaker 1: go to battle the war anytime we were too deep
Speaker 1: at every position. Stan was one of the best x
Speaker 1: and Os coaches I ever had. But I always felt like,
Speaker 1: and I remember when Shaq would say he would panic
Speaker 1: and get nervous, and I think you put it more elegantly. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I think he overthought the situation we were adjusting before
Speaker 1: we even got into the situation, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had success against them in the regular season, and
Speaker 1: we overthought our situation and uh.
Speaker 32: Yeah, you know what was out and say though like Stan,
Speaker 32: like there's no there's no perfect coach. I think Stan
Speaker 32: probably had a bigger impact on my career than any
Speaker 32: coach I've played for Doc as well, because Doc was
Speaker 32: the first coach who who let me be, you know,
Speaker 32: who looked at me as a starter and gave me
Speaker 32: more of a role in an offense. But but Stan,
Speaker 32: you know, probably the best coaches I played for in
Speaker 32: the NBA, you know, and and and I I hate that.
Speaker 32: I hate that Shack had to say that about him,
Speaker 32: or you know that we have to sit here and
Speaker 32: talk about this, because I always did. I always felt
Speaker 32: like in a playoff series, I felt like Stan was
Speaker 32: gonna get us a win, Like he was going he
Speaker 32: was gonna make an adjustment or come up with a
Speaker 32: game plan in game three or game four, or even
Speaker 32: steal one in game one, like I'm gonna do this
Speaker 32: and they're not expecting it.
Speaker 2: And and it worked a lot of the time.
Speaker 32: And he would always get us a game just because
Speaker 32: you know, he was so prepared and he worked so hard,
Speaker 32: he took such responsibility on what he could control, and
Speaker 32: and he was.
Speaker 2: Great for that.
Speaker 1: His attention to detail, I've know, second to none. As
Speaker 1: far as coaches, he was the Only thing I didn't
Speaker 1: like about stan was our fucking taped tape shoot arounds
Speaker 1: with knee pads. I'm like, Damn, Stanley, can't cruise like
Speaker 1: we had real Like, Bro, we were taped with knee pad.
Speaker 1: I didn't shoot around. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Hey, JJ, what was Matt like as a teammate?
Speaker 32: I mean, that's just the same guy I'm talking to
Speaker 32: right now. You know, this is what I was talking
Speaker 32: earlier about your reputation. Like when people asked me, like,
Speaker 32: who are the best teammates you've had in your career,
Speaker 32: I'm like, Matt Barnes is definitely one of them. He
Speaker 32: was a great teammate. I think, you know, I saw
Speaker 32: this in Orlando, but it was a different group when
Speaker 32: I got to La. The way that him and DJ
Speaker 32: brought everybody together, Like if you were the fifteenth guy
Speaker 32: on that team, you felt like you were part of
Speaker 32: that team.
Speaker 14: It did.
Speaker 32: There was no there was no like status on the
Speaker 32: team plane or status in the locker room. Like they
Speaker 32: just had an amazing way of making every guy in
Speaker 32: that team feel feel special. And that was I mean,
Speaker 32: that was that's rare. Man that just doesn't happen a
Speaker 32: ton in the NBA. And truthfully, like that was a
Speaker 32: lesson that I learned, and I've taken that with me
Speaker 32: now as I've gotten older, and you know, it's done
Speaker 32: the mentor thing like it's important to just involve everybody
Speaker 32: because you know, we get so caught up throughout a season,
Speaker 32: like about what's going on with me, what's going on
Speaker 32: with me, I'm playing well, I'm playing bad, whatever, And
Speaker 32: you got to keep in mind like there's there's three
Speaker 32: or four guys every night that leave that arena.
Speaker 2: Pissed, Yeah, pissed because they.
Speaker 32: Didn't play, or they were they were in a suit,
Speaker 32: or you know, they got their run in the first
Speaker 32: half but didn't get their run in the second half.
Speaker 32: And so you know, doing the check in with those guys,
Speaker 32: man is important, and I think DJ and Matt were
Speaker 32: always were always great about that.
Speaker 1: Coming to you from Dallas, set the tone with with
Speaker 1: the boss man, mister Mark Cuban, And now we got
Speaker 1: one of the greatest to ever do it.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 3: You guys pushed me to be better a little bit
Speaker 3: with my back to the basket. You know that was
Speaker 3: I mentioned it earlier. I always liked to face, select
Speaker 3: to drive and then spend. It was just a little
Speaker 3: too predictable. So you know, I said, you'd have to add.
Speaker 3: You have to add more to you game. You have
Speaker 3: to work hard the summer and be a better be
Speaker 3: a better leader and more complete players. So I got
Speaker 3: a lot more comfortable, you know, posting up then, and
Speaker 3: even if it was free throw line or or down
Speaker 3: the box, and I would never even still then I
Speaker 3: would not.
Speaker 8: Out muscle you and get to the basket.
Speaker 3: But I was more comfortable there operating in that area
Speaker 3: and shooting over smaller guys, shooting fadeaways. And then one
Speaker 3: legger came and so I think, yeah, you guys forced
Speaker 3: me to get back in the lab and and get
Speaker 3: better and push and and I always say, without the
Speaker 3: disappointments in O six and O seven, I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been the closer and eleven, I think that's that's very true.
Speaker 3: You know, you have to go through tough times and
Speaker 3: and and learn from from some tough mistakes and and
Speaker 3: and get better.
Speaker 8: And so that was you guys pushed me to be
Speaker 8: to be better.
Speaker 1: So eight and ten, you guys are building you bringing
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd tricks Sean Mary and Pasia Karan who doesn't
Speaker 1: help you get down this front because he gets hurt,
Speaker 1: but with a big piece Rick Carlisle as well. What
Speaker 1: are all those pieces being to you?
Speaker 3: So actually when we made I was like, okay, it
Speaker 3: was seven, we still had the best team going to
Speaker 3: A eight. We lose to you guys, but we're we
Speaker 3: won sixty seven games, we're straight, we're good. And then
Speaker 3: the oait season started and stuff is just not going
Speaker 3: that well, and it actually shows don't take stuff for granted. Man,
Speaker 3: Sometimes things can change in a heartbeat within one season.
Speaker 3: You know, all of a sudden, we're not right there anymore.
Speaker 3: We're not with the best team. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: teams have passed us by. And then our window from
Speaker 3: six and seven all of a sudden looked closed. And
Speaker 3: so things were going well at all in the wait season,
Speaker 3: and then we.
Speaker 8: Did the trade at all set game for Jake Kidd.
Speaker 8: We felt like his leadership is is.
Speaker 3: You know, like I mentioned earlier, weren't great passing, We
Speaker 3: were on great great playmaking. We had some good scores
Speaker 3: at the guards, but not not getting everybody involved playmakers.
Speaker 3: And so we made the deal for j kid at
Speaker 3: the All Set game and and that didn't pan out
Speaker 3: that way we wanted to at the beginning either. So
Speaker 3: they're in O eight to ten. There was there were
Speaker 3: a lot of changes. You know, we still had Avery
Speaker 3: when uh, when Jay Kidd first came, and then you know,
Speaker 3: Carla took over, I believe in the eight or nine season.
Speaker 3: Then we did the big trade with with Washington to
Speaker 3: bring in Haywood d Steve who was crazy and uh
Speaker 3: and uh of course Karan and so they fit in well,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you know, there the windows
Speaker 3: open again.
Speaker 8: We felt like we had a good team. We had some.
Speaker 3: Veterans and yeah, and going into that you know, ten
Speaker 3: to eleven season, we felt like we had a good team.
Speaker 3: I don't think we were necessarily favorites, but we felt
Speaker 3: like we had some veterans.
Speaker 8: And we had a good start to the season.
Speaker 3: And then I got hurt right around Christmas time, and
Speaker 3: then so I was out. I was hurt, and then
Speaker 3: New Year's Day, I'll never forget. We're in Milwaukee, that's
Speaker 3: where Karan is from, and I'm sitting out in a
Speaker 3: suit because I'm not playing, and Karan goes up for
Speaker 3: a rebound and just screams and lays on the ground
Speaker 3: and I'm so, we're all rushing over there, and I
Speaker 3: see literally he tore his patel attendant and his his
Speaker 3: kneecap had dislocated, so it sat it sat up top
Speaker 3: on his skigh. I'm like, I'm trying to dry heath.
Speaker 8: It was.
Speaker 3: It was nasty, and so our trainer was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, we need wheelchair. Wheelchair And that was one
Speaker 3: of the toughest things I was saying. I mean, Kuran
Speaker 3: is pretty tough. So he heard wheelchair and he's from Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: His grandmother was there, his family. He's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm not getting out of here in a wheelchair.
Speaker 5: So he's like I.
Speaker 3: Watched him push his kneecap down by himself, and he
Speaker 3: gets up and starts hoping. You know how in the
Speaker 3: old Milwaukee arena that was to go back to the
Speaker 3: locker room and he walked that on his own power.
Speaker 8: I said, this, this guy, this guy is.
Speaker 3: Built different and U but then you know, here we
Speaker 3: go again. We think in our our windows closing, you know,
Speaker 3: losing up. He was probably our second best scar. I
Speaker 3: think he was our second best scorer that year, and
Speaker 3: so we're like, oh god, here it goes again. Right,
Speaker 3: It's just a bunch of bad luck. And but I
Speaker 3: would say that he he motivated us, inspired us the
Speaker 3: way he wanted to come back and fought and attacked rehab.
Speaker 3: I mean he was almost ready to play in that
Speaker 3: in that final series in eleven, I mean he was.
Speaker 8: He was a beast.
Speaker 3: And every day watching him, how he how he handled himself,
Speaker 3: how he attacked that rehab, that that really motivated us,
Speaker 3: and that that inspired us for that ten to eleven run.
Speaker 14: Blazers Lakers, Okay see Miami twenty eight points. We gained
Speaker 14: forty nine percent field goal, forty six throw line gee Woolakers.
Speaker 2: Took down Kobe kat and Lebron. We call that as
Speaker 2: you know, on one, he was definitely on one. What
Speaker 2: mind frame will you win?
Speaker 3: We had a good run, you know, I started, We
Speaker 3: started against Portland.
Speaker 8: They they gave us some problems, you.
Speaker 3: Know that Mary b roy Still they had they had
Speaker 3: a good team, they were they were smart. Uh, And
Speaker 3: so we didn't play the well there. We almost lost
Speaker 3: one at home, and I took us, we get took
Speaker 3: us well to get going. And then I felt like
Speaker 3: we lost both both games in Portland, and it was
Speaker 3: it was too too coming back here. And that's still
Speaker 3: I remember to this day. I was like, we're not
Speaker 3: going to lose to them. We're not going to lose
Speaker 3: Game five on our home court. And I don't know
Speaker 3: why I said that to I usually don't say much
Speaker 3: in the team meetings and stuff. I'm a quiet guy.
Speaker 3: Let the coaches do their thing. But that day, I'm like,
Speaker 3: even in the pregame meeting, I was like, there, they're
Speaker 3: not beating us.
Speaker 8: Where we got that.
Speaker 14: You know what they do your teammate to hear Dirk
Speaker 14: say that, you just in the back of the locker room.
Speaker 5: Quill, No, they ain't beating us today.
Speaker 8: Yeah, everybody.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I just felt that.
Speaker 3: I just felt that because in Game four we were
Speaker 3: up like twenty and b Roy made that magical run
Speaker 3: and they beat us, and I just had that that's
Speaker 3: not going to happen again. And so and then from
Speaker 3: there we started a roll. We started a roll. We
Speaker 3: won game five at home, beat them in game six,
Speaker 3: went straight down to LA and stole a miracle Game
Speaker 3: one where Kobe was like hot at like forty I
Speaker 3: think it could seem like he couldn't miss, and we
Speaker 3: basically stole that one at the buzzer and from there,
Speaker 3: I don't know, we just we just got confidence was
Speaker 3: getting better, and we had the roles were defined perfectly right.
Speaker 3: You had you had Tricks and Kid and Tyson they
Speaker 3: were the defenders right on offense, we knew Jet and
Speaker 3: I and JJ we were going to wheel and deal
Speaker 3: and do our thing, and obviously we had some shooters,
Speaker 3: but I felt like we're our roles were perfectly defined,
Speaker 3: and we had, you know, a great bench that we
Speaker 3: can change the tempo a little bit. So uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was just a magical time. We
Speaker 3: had Paga that we signed somewhere in February, I think
Speaker 3: we got bought out in Toronto and we took a
Speaker 3: chance on it. He did look like he could play
Speaker 3: with his back, and he rehab for two three months
Speaker 3: every day and then gave us unbelievable roun there, made
Speaker 3: some huge shots in the Lakers and Okay Ce series,
Speaker 3: and so everything that we did that year kind of
Speaker 3: panned out, and I know it's fortunate.
Speaker 8: I guess.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Mark Cuban.
Speaker 1: A lot of tough stuff happening on that journey to
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. To me, that was one of the greatest
Speaker 1: journeys to get there beat a lot of good teams.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that journey. You guys end up
Speaker 1: beating the Big three with Brondy, Wade and Bosh. But
Speaker 1: that was a hell of a row. It was incredible.
Speaker 21: Like we started that season like twenty nine and five,
Speaker 21: nobody was beating us. Then then what's his name Koran
Speaker 21: got hurt and Koran was our number two score, and
Speaker 21: then Son we didn't have a score a second score,
Speaker 21: and then Dirk gets hurt and we go on this
Speaker 21: road trip in like January and lose six in row
Speaker 21: and get abliterated. So as we had no Kuran, even
Speaker 21: Roddy Bouboy, who's a guy who is really coming on,
Speaker 21: was hurt, and so we were struggling. And we get
Speaker 21: to the playoffs and literally, you know, we were playing
Speaker 21: Portland and it was they were favored over us and
Speaker 21: we were the higher seed. And so we were playing
Speaker 21: playing LaMarcus and Brandon Roy and that crew, and we
Speaker 21: win the first two games. Here we go up twenty
Speaker 21: something there in the third game and Brandon Roy puts
Speaker 21: on the last show he ever put on. I mean,
Speaker 21: the dude was super skilled, but you know, with his
Speaker 21: knees and just comes back and beats a single handily and.
Speaker 25: We lose.
Speaker 21: I think we lose the next game and then come
Speaker 21: back and fortunately close it out. But that having our
Speaker 21: you know, just being destroyed like that by Portland instead
Speaker 21: of putting us down really like had it helped us
Speaker 21: figure it out and I think we wore them down,
Speaker 21: won that series.
Speaker 1: Goes smacked us, Yes, swept us, beat the dogs out
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 25: That was insane because I remember sitting there going.
Speaker 2: Oh, Lakers back to back, back to backs.
Speaker 25: And everybody, no one gave us a chance.
Speaker 21: And so we go there and playing in in your
Speaker 21: court and you no where did it open up?
Speaker 2: We were the highest?
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 21: So we played here first and had to come from
Speaker 21: behind twice, right, and came from behind. And then we
Speaker 21: go there and.
Speaker 25: What was that?
Speaker 21: That was the the Corey Brewer game I think where
Speaker 21: we were down like fifteen and Corey Brewer just went
Speaker 21: off and no, no, we started there because we closed it.
Speaker 25: We closed yeah final JJ.
Speaker 21: Yeah. So we go there and we come down from
Speaker 21: behind both games, and as I'm walking out, I go
Speaker 21: to Jack Nicholson, who sits right by the visitors, like
Speaker 21: you need tickets or anything, and Dallas, you just let
Speaker 21: me know. He goes, we're coming back. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 21: I'll see you back here. Then we get to game four,
Speaker 21: we win game through, get to game four and we
Speaker 21: can't miss. We're up like twenty something.
Speaker 2: That half to like nine in the first half.
Speaker 21: And I told my buddy, you sits next to me,
Speaker 21: he's always sat next month, like, if you touch me
Speaker 21: and wake me up out of this ship, I'm going
Speaker 21: to beat the ship out of you because this is
Speaker 21: a dream.
Speaker 25: And I don't want to wake up.
Speaker 21: And then buying them towards the end, right, And then
Speaker 21: Jerry West even called me after that and he goes,
Speaker 21: you know that's just not you know, Laker basketball, right,
Speaker 21: it HAPs like yeah, and JD doesn't care.
Speaker 8: JJ is tough dude.
Speaker 1: And then a young OKC and when we.
Speaker 21: Went that whole crew kind of like the Clippers, this
Speaker 21: year's Clipper team back then except for Kad right, and
Speaker 21: they were they were squad.
Speaker 25: But they beat us the first game, I think, and
Speaker 25: then we won the rest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then in that finals, what did Tyson say,
Speaker 1: someone hit the shot in front of d Wade hit
Speaker 1: the shot in front of the bench and kind of
Speaker 1: rubbed it in, and then.
Speaker 25: You got fifteen. Yeah that and he looks at us
Speaker 25: and you know, he does this and this and all
Speaker 25: this ship and she turned on the light.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 25: And then what people don't know.
Speaker 21: Is like that they won the first game, and then
Speaker 21: that second game when we're in Miami halftime, that's the
Speaker 21: same game. They're up whatever fifteen or whatever. And what's
Speaker 21: his name? Oh my god, I'm facing fucking the GM.
Speaker 21: Pat Riley Kim pat Riley says to me at halftime,
Speaker 21: is I'm walking through because you know you had to
Speaker 21: walk through it the middle park right there.
Speaker 25: He goes, not long enough, not strong enough.
Speaker 2: Mark, they said to you, We're just too quick and
Speaker 2: too long.
Speaker 21: I'm like, I didn't say anything bad. It's pat Riley, right,
Speaker 21: I'm not going to disrespect him. I'm like, okay. And
Speaker 21: then we come back.
Speaker 2: And damn interesting.
Speaker 8: Yeah interesting, sweet?
Speaker 2: It was nice.
Speaker 25: And then cool part because Mickey Errans is cool too.
Speaker 25: I like Mickey a lot.
Speaker 21: And he goes, you know, we close it out and
Speaker 21: we're getting the trophy down in Miami and I see
Speaker 21: Mickey shakes my hand. He goes, Oh, the irony, right,
Speaker 21: because we were supposed to be supposed to bet him
Speaker 21: two thousand and six and then they were supposed to
Speaker 21: kill us in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Crazy how that works.
Speaker 1: Obviously, a ton of accomplishments in the business world. Lord,
Speaker 1: does that eleven championship rank for you?
Speaker 21: Oh, I've got Larry O'Brien in my office. They in
Speaker 21: the face every single day, right, you know. The good
Speaker 21: news is it was amazing. The bad news is it's
Speaker 21: been twelve years.
Speaker 25: Right, you know, and so.
Speaker 33: You know it's like, yeah, I went out with the
Speaker 33: hottest girl in high school, right, That don't do any
Speaker 33: good anymore? Right, So, so now it's frustrating, but I
Speaker 33: think we're on a good path here.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: NBA VET and World Champion Edonna's has one. When we
Speaker 1: get to twenty thirteen, the NBA Finals against the San
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs epic series, looking back on that, now, what
Speaker 1: stood out the most to you?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 22: Man, pop, Man Pop pops amazing. That's not a take.
Speaker 34: That's not to take nothing away from their talent, but damn, man,
Speaker 34: Pop's amazing. You know what I'm saying, you know, I know,
Speaker 34: you know, you know. I don't know if in this
Speaker 34: league how to work, how it work. You're supposed to
Speaker 34: give shout out to other coaches if.
Speaker 22: You ain't playing farm.
Speaker 34: I don't know how that shit work. But we on
Speaker 34: all the smokes, so we make y'all boys make the rules.
Speaker 34: Y'all boys make the rules.
Speaker 22: I ain't no TNT or none of that.
Speaker 2: You all good, You all rules Pop Pops.
Speaker 34: Pop's amazing, man, and I've always had great admiration for
Speaker 34: the way he's been able to not just coach a
Speaker 34: game of basketball, but man, it's just players in the personality.
Speaker 22: Man, this dude. The dudes love him, you know what
Speaker 22: I'm saying.
Speaker 34: And I've always been amazed by the way Pop Pop
Speaker 34: has been able to manage all of that and translate
Speaker 34: that ship also into winning, yep, because none of that
Speaker 34: shit matters if you don't win, don't matter if your
Speaker 34: team like you, it don't matter, none of that ship
Speaker 34: if you ain't winning, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 34: I've always been amazed with what Pop been able to do.
Speaker 34: So you know, just the first thing that stands out
Speaker 34: in that series is just a ball movement, man, and
Speaker 34: just how Pop had the motherfucker's prime. You know what
Speaker 34: I'm saying. They ready and it's just like a well
Speaker 34: or machine out there. You know what I'm saying, Ain't
Speaker 34: no hiccups, ain't no speed bumps.
Speaker 22: That ship running.
Speaker 5: Everybody buying in.
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, everybody buying in.
Speaker 1: But Jack, you were supposed to or should have been
Speaker 1: playing in that final, so I'm not mistaken, right, tell us, uh,
Speaker 1: tell us your t max story during that time.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I would probably got that rebound. I all to
Speaker 14: block the ship out of that week ass three race shot.
Speaker 14: But hey, but I was. I was supposed to be
Speaker 14: on the team, and Pop cut me right for the playoffs. Man,
Speaker 14: he cut me right for the playoffs. He put me
Speaker 14: in the position. Pop one of the smartest people I
Speaker 14: even know. He put me in a position to where
Speaker 14: he knew I was gonna respond to where I was
Speaker 14: gonna se off the team. Yeah, he knew that. He
Speaker 14: knew I was gonna cut myself. You asked me to
Speaker 14: say somebody better than me, fuck you and everybody around you.
Speaker 14: That's gonna be my response to anybody. Okay, I ain't
Speaker 14: never say that ship. I ain't say that ship like
Speaker 14: that to nobody, and Pop knew but they but but
Speaker 14: but before he even asked me that question, they had
Speaker 14: Tracey McGrady already on the plane on the plane already
Speaker 14: in town, so they knew what they was doing. And
Speaker 14: that's why they had lost to y'all because the real
Speaker 14: nigga wasn't not there out there to get the rebound.
Speaker 7: And that's what happened.
Speaker 14: Brouse, Why was my boy where he needed a real
Speaker 14: one on.
Speaker 2: The side of him.
Speaker 14: But Nah, all boys should decided that I was supposed
Speaker 14: to be on that team. Man, it would have been
Speaker 14: great to be in the finals again, to play against
Speaker 14: y'all in that finals.
Speaker 5: That was a good series. Yeah, you would.
Speaker 22: You would have loved that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 34: It would have been a hell of an environment and
Speaker 34: we would have been able to hang out while you
Speaker 34: was down.
Speaker 22: He would have been no COVID boy.
Speaker 27: And the finals in Miami with U d shit.
Speaker 22: Definitely, we'd have definitely been able to do something.
Speaker 2: Definitely did do something.
Speaker 34: Everybody had been on the South Beach, we would have
Speaker 34: been on.
Speaker 22: The other side there was that where you was at
Speaker 22: where we was on the other.
Speaker 5: Side of the We don't know nothing about that.
Speaker 22: Y'all can have that beat ship.
Speaker 5: We don't want none of that, yes.
Speaker 1: Sir, Hey, So game six, the Spurs have the title
Speaker 1: in hand and can't secure rebound. Ray hits that shot.
Speaker 1: Take us back to that night and how that juve
Speaker 1: you know, reduced you guys for game seven.
Speaker 22: Once again, I wasn't even playing that serious.
Speaker 34: So I had front row seats to that whole goddamn
Speaker 34: game and that shot from Ray. Man, I just remember
Speaker 34: sitting over there and they bringing them damn them, damn
Speaker 34: rope stop and I'm saying, I'm saying, yo that I'm saying,
Speaker 34: I'm like, I'm in disbelief, Like I'm looking at this
Speaker 34: ship like.
Speaker 22: In our own city again. The marriage got us like
Speaker 22: that before.
Speaker 34: Man, man, man, it's like they done came in the
Speaker 34: house and took our food and walked out. This motherfucker. Man,
Speaker 34: I'm it just you couldn't have told me that we.
Speaker 22: Were gonna win again.
Speaker 34: And yeah when that well, see we got that rebound
Speaker 34: the way the angle that I had, I was directly
Speaker 34: on the other side of the shot from Ray and
Speaker 34: when I saw Ray let that motherfucker go, I.
Speaker 5: Knew it was good. Room. You can't get no room. Man.
Speaker 22: People don't know you watch Ray.
Speaker 34: He do some drills when he lay down on his
Speaker 34: back like he taking a nap, and jump up and
Speaker 34: run to the corner and shoot that motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 22: Ray be practicing all kinds of shit.
Speaker 34: He'll sit down Indian style and run to the three
Speaker 34: point line and shoot.
Speaker 22: He do all kinds of little drills like that.
Speaker 34: So for him, the backpay don't get to that three
Speaker 34: point line and know where that line at.
Speaker 22: He practiced that every day. That's that's a mental exercise
Speaker 22: that he go through.
Speaker 14: That's one person I used to always try to lock
Speaker 14: up brother when let me tell you one thing I
Speaker 14: used to hate with Ray. When he got the ball,
Speaker 14: I'm like, oh yeah, I'm good money. But as soon
Speaker 14: as I see a screen or two and I got
Speaker 14: to chase him off the screen, you think you own him,
Speaker 14: you think you're right there on him.
Speaker 27: But as soon as he get them feet set, bro,
Speaker 27: that's your ass man.
Speaker 22: Listen.
Speaker 34: Part of Boston offense, I guess us was the god
Speaker 34: Damn d Wade chasing Ray Man.
Speaker 5: They know that they.
Speaker 34: Man, they had Ray running all the rady, God damn
Speaker 34: caught the way like man, that was part of the
Speaker 34: goddamn offense for Boston, just to run his ass to
Speaker 34: get him tied.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, So you guys are able to come back,
Speaker 1: get that game and winning game seven to go back
Speaker 1: to back. What does it feel like to be back
Speaker 1: to back champs, something that rarely happens.
Speaker 34: I don't think we appreciated the way we should have,
Speaker 34: you know, the whole run, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 34: And that's just the gods don the truth, you know
Speaker 34: what I'm saying. The team that we had, the run
Speaker 34: that we had, the success that we had. That's not
Speaker 34: to say that we didn't appreciate it at all, but
Speaker 34: that amount of success in that short period of time,
Speaker 34: four straight finals, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 22: I don't think we appreciated the way we thought the
Speaker 22: way we should have.
Speaker 34: I think we got to the point where we thought
Speaker 34: we were just gonna do that ship every year, you
Speaker 34: know what I'm saying. It was just like it was
Speaker 34: just expected that we were just gonna keep going back
Speaker 34: to the finals, and we're just gonna stay together, and
Speaker 34: we're gonna stay healthy and it ain't gonna never break up.
Speaker 34: And I think I think that was. That was probably
Speaker 34: a mistake. We should have probably just you know, probably
Speaker 34: you know, loved it a little more, you know what
Speaker 34: I'm saying, especially when you look, yeah, enjoyed the process. Man,
Speaker 34: We just focused on working, work and working, and next
Speaker 34: year we're gonna do it again. And this, that and
Speaker 34: the third. I think we never really took time to
Speaker 34: enjoy it. I think everybody had. You know, you had
Speaker 34: your one little party, you how your parade, and then
Speaker 34: you think you're gonna do it again, and it's just
Speaker 34: that's not reality, you know what I'm saying. It's not
Speaker 34: reality to think that you're just gonna keep going back
Speaker 34: to the finals and just.
Speaker 22: Doing it again.
Speaker 34: I think we really should have took time to understand
Speaker 34: the position that we was in as a team, you know,
Speaker 34: as a group, you know, as a coaching staff, organization, everything,
Speaker 34: and that was something special that we was able to do.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 34: And you know, Golden State obviously came in and they
Speaker 34: had their run and they duplicated and they took it
Speaker 34: even further and did what they was able to do.
Speaker 34: But anybody that's been a part of runs like that,
Speaker 34: you understand how special that is, especially once you get
Speaker 34: towards the latter part of your career and you start
Speaker 34: to get you know, started to see yourself walking away
Speaker 34: from this man that's a team and a situation.
Speaker 22: And a run that will always be remembered and always
Speaker 22: talked about.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 14: Welcome to the show, dann Ingratiation. Just go back to time,
Speaker 14: Tony Yo, we was teammates briefly. Was that the year
Speaker 14: that they got you out of there and abought teammates?
Speaker 27: First first we lost in the Western Conference finals.
Speaker 13: I had Jack, So Jack came at the end of
Speaker 13: the year that year, and then he came through for
Speaker 13: like a year.
Speaker 24: So he came in the year and he came, he
Speaker 24: came in.
Speaker 27: Let him well, I came into thirteen.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 14: In the thirteen we los in the Western Conference finals. Okay,
Speaker 14: come back in fourteen and right before the playoffs, pop cup,
Speaker 14: Pop cut me for.
Speaker 35: Trace McGrady, Yes and so, and they ain't played. Tracy,
Speaker 35: you came, you came twelve twelve. Twe twelve thirteen, We
Speaker 35: went to the finals. We lost the West const Finals
Speaker 35: in twelve okay, so yes, so twelve you came in,
Speaker 35: they let you go. Thirteen thirteen four we got there, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 35: and y'all won in thirteen, right, we lost in thir thirteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, supposed to be team I was supposed.
Speaker 24: To be on Mac was with us. Is his first time.
Speaker 5: I would have got out of the first rebound in
Speaker 5: game six. I would have got the fucking rebound.
Speaker 14: I was damn ray down Show wouldn't have got it
Speaker 14: if anybody would it. I mean, he wouldn't have got
Speaker 14: to shot off for none of that. He wouldn't have
Speaker 14: been involved because you know I take that shit personal him.
Speaker 14: But look, I would have got that got that watch.
Speaker 14: We played a lot together. Though we played a lot together.
Speaker 14: When I did play, we did, and I would I
Speaker 14: would have been Bars. I would have been Bars. Yeah,
Speaker 14: I would have been Bars going to switch or somebody.
Speaker 14: We didn't switch right here, so this is why Chris
Speaker 14: got the rebound.
Speaker 5: I would have been Bars.
Speaker 13: There was no switch here. But my question is they
Speaker 13: wanted to switch everything.
Speaker 5: Barsh is one of the best players, the most played.
Speaker 13: Very good, but we went smaller because they were trying
Speaker 13: to get a three, so they wanted to switch everything,
Speaker 13: so we had Timmy off the floor.
Speaker 5: Five would have got that rebound. I'm telling you we
Speaker 5: wasn't switching that.
Speaker 13: We did miss two free throws and the play the
Speaker 13: possession before Bron hit a three the possession before you
Speaker 13: weren't there, but that play was played over over over
Speaker 13: over the following your film room, because that's where my
Speaker 13: mistake was the most because the year before you were
Speaker 13: there with us. Yeah, maybe you can give me you
Speaker 13: can test this. We were contesting and if we tested,
Speaker 13: they take off. Oh they changed that on you though,
Speaker 13: huh right after this year take off?
Speaker 14: This year take off, because if we weren't getting to
Speaker 14: be found with him down there was getting all take off.
Speaker 13: If you can test, go so to play before this
Speaker 13: Bron he missed, took one, missed it. I can test
Speaker 13: the first one. I'm trickling out toward half because my
Speaker 13: natural habit was to start leaning to take off. They
Speaker 13: get another rebound and kick it back to Bron and
Speaker 13: he hits it. I think went off the off the
Speaker 13: backboard at the big shot. He kept rewinding that ship.
Speaker 13: Where the fuck are you going?
Speaker 5: Where the gonna do that?
Speaker 13: He took that right out. There was no more leaking
Speaker 13: out that.
Speaker 5: It was no more.
Speaker 14: But you know, the older, the older tim got, they
Speaker 14: probably start taking it out because at one point, it
Speaker 14: don't make.
Speaker 1: No sense to going in the key, tim getting all
Speaker 1: that ship everything.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 13: Yeah he was Timmy was great. I can test the
Speaker 13: first one. I'm leaning to our half and I'm ready.
Speaker 13: It'll be like, all right rebound, we would have been out.
Speaker 2: But it was like it goes off the glass.
Speaker 24: The second rebound three ball. It's hard to watch.
Speaker 13: But said that film session the following year, because Pop
Speaker 13: always does every following year. He watches the previous and
Speaker 13: we had the same group together for a long time.
Speaker 13: He watched the last series or last game.
Speaker 5: I probably watched that just as much as you do.
Speaker 24: He was rewinding and rewinding my seven bars.
Speaker 13: And but the craziest part is this part here five
Speaker 13: seconds they stopped the clock. They stopped, they called, they stopped,
Speaker 13: They took the ball to boards and we're trying to go.
Speaker 13: So Pop was going ape ship.
Speaker 2: Look at him. What's Joey Carford doing? Point shaving.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it took them because we're trying to get and go.
Speaker 13: They's celebrating. We could have get we go, get a
Speaker 13: layup or a basket. At this point, Tony's like, get
Speaker 13: it out. Tony would have been gone five seconds. What
Speaker 13: we're gonna get a look.
Speaker 1: Now they get a chance to review it, to get
Speaker 1: a chance.
Speaker 24: To see if it's a two or three, they get
Speaker 24: a time out.
Speaker 2: Joey every I was with the Spurs.
Speaker 5: I made it at least the Winstert Conference finals, at least.
Speaker 13: What we were spoiled, bro at least we were spoiled,
Speaker 13: I was like them.
Speaker 24: And then after that we ain't been back.
Speaker 13: We had been after fourteen with the first round against goals,
Speaker 13: I think Kwihar at the ankle. We had a couple
Speaker 13: were Clippers, CP got the game. Yes, that's your old
Speaker 13: States championship. It was a couple of times. We never
Speaker 13: have been back to the Western count finals, like damn.
Speaker 13: So when I got back to Toronto, I was like,
Speaker 13: you know, I'm enjoyed this. We ain't been back here
Speaker 13: in a minute. And to realize how how hard it
Speaker 13: was to get back there.
Speaker 1: I like to introduce my home boy, our home boy,
Speaker 1: Draymond Green. But talk to us about on the court,
Speaker 1: because that was your guys.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You guys met them in the finals consistently, and you
Speaker 1: know you possibly you tell me it could have been
Speaker 1: obviously a three peat. You don't get kicked out of
Speaker 1: the series. Was that was that sixteen?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sixteen, right, you know what I mean? So talk to
Speaker 1: us about what stood out the most about going up
Speaker 1: against him and Kyrie and in those battles.
Speaker 20: I think, well, first off, I'll just speak on him
Speaker 20: and Kyrie and their thing, Like I think they kind
Speaker 20: of had the perfect thing, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 20: where like Lebron is fucking great. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 20: He gone the ultimate floor general.
Speaker 15: You know what I'm saying. Lebron can control an entire
Speaker 15: forty eight minute game.
Speaker 20: I mean we watched him do it against Boston, like
Speaker 20: in Game six and seven, he played forty eight minutes.
Speaker 15: And he controls the entire place of the game.
Speaker 20: But he can do that in any game, controlling into
Speaker 20: absurd and so on, which I think is what makes
Speaker 20: him so great. But Kyrie being next to him, it
Speaker 20: kind of took the weight off Kyrie to do anything else.
Speaker 20: But when I give you the ball to go score,
Speaker 20: go score, you know what I'm saying. So I think
Speaker 20: they kind of had a perfect match, and it kind
Speaker 20: of you know, it happens a lot in sports and
Speaker 20: music where you know someone wants more like and you
Speaker 20: have a match made of heaven and then all of
Speaker 20: a sudden it's broken up to really you know what
Speaker 20: I'm saying. I think that's kind of what happened in
Speaker 20: their situation, and being that they kept running up against us,
Speaker 20: it may have like exponited, but yeah, but I think
Speaker 20: they had They definitely had a great thing.
Speaker 15: Kyrie kind of came out and said that this.
Speaker 20: Year, like yo, I had to call bro a year
Speaker 20: ago or something like, you know, I called bron and said, Yo,
Speaker 20: my bad, right, And I respect Kyrie for that.
Speaker 15: But they had a real good thing going for sure.
Speaker 15: And come in love with them as well. They like
Speaker 15: they were a really good team.
Speaker 20: But you know when when you start to talk about
Speaker 20: like US meeting in the finals, like yeah, they had
Speaker 20: no fucking shot at winning in twenty sixteen, Like people
Speaker 20: talk all, oh, y'all blew a three to one lead,
Speaker 20: like they was coming back here game five and they
Speaker 20: didn't have a fucking clue of how they was going
Speaker 20: to win that game.
Speaker 15: I got suspended.
Speaker 20: They win game five, We're going.
Speaker 15: Back to Cleveland for game six.
Speaker 20: Okay, you go back home for game six, as fucking
Speaker 20: loud as hell.
Speaker 15: I'm coming back.
Speaker 20: From a suspension, like everything's kind of thrown off. They
Speaker 20: win game six, all three of us know. You go
Speaker 20: to game seven and it's a fucking coin slipping game.
Speaker 20: Any game seven, like.
Speaker 15: You go to get I'm play.
Speaker 20: Game seven is a coin flip and sean enough, the
Speaker 20: game went down to the wire and Kyrie hit a
Speaker 20: tough shot.
Speaker 15: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 20: That's game seven, and so uh you know, will we
Speaker 20: have three pet it? Though I can't necessarily say we
Speaker 20: wouldn't have we would have three pet it because what
Speaker 20: I will say is this. In twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 20: we beat the shit out of everybody and nobody had
Speaker 20: a clue of how to stop us.
Speaker 15: Twenty sixteen, things got a little harder, but we were
Speaker 15: able to figure it out. We won seventy three games.
Speaker 20: But like we had to, we had to move a lot,
Speaker 20: Like it wasn't just the same exact offense we ran
Speaker 20: the year before, Like it was like Steve Kerr was
Speaker 20: playing chess and he was making great moves, but it
Speaker 20: was it was always a chest nation In twenty sixteen,
Speaker 20: although we won more games, it wasn't as easy. And
Speaker 20: then we got to the I mean you can even remember.
Speaker 20: In twenty sixteen, we got to ok See and we
Speaker 20: were down three one, and we kind of switched our
Speaker 20: match us back to normal and pretty much said, all right,
Speaker 20: we're going to as opposed to making everybody else beat
Speaker 20: us and trying to take Kevin and Russ away. Everybody
Speaker 20: else was beating us. Let's make Kevin and Russ beat
Speaker 20: us and take everybody else away. And it was a
Speaker 20: fucking chess move by Steve Current. It worked to fucking perfection,
Speaker 20: and we were able to come back and win that series,
Speaker 20: and then we go on to the finals and I
Speaker 20: get suspended. We were going to win that series, but
Speaker 20: to say we were going to three feet, I'm not
Speaker 20: sure we would have won in twenty seventeen, because you know,
Speaker 20: teams have started changing.
Speaker 15: They were preparing for.
Speaker 20: Us, like watching film on us all summer, and so
Speaker 20: it was starting to get harder. So because we lost
Speaker 20: in twenty sixteen, we then got Kevin, and once we
Speaker 20: got Kevin, we were fucking unstoppable, even losing last year.
Speaker 15: Kevin, don't get hurt like you see that game. We
Speaker 15: came back in game five. I looked up we had
Speaker 15: like forty points in the first quarter.
Speaker 20: And it wasn't They wouldn't instid a chance if Kevin
Speaker 20: didn't get hurt.
Speaker 5: But you know, shit.
Speaker 20: Happens, and that's the part of the game. You know
Speaker 20: what I'm saying. Injuries happened, and Kawhi was fucking amazing,
Speaker 20: you know what I'm saying, Pascal Siato, They were fucking amazing.
Speaker 20: But you know, to go back to twenty and sixteen
Speaker 20: and Lebron, like those matchups in the finals.
Speaker 15: With Lebron and Kyrie and them and then.
Speaker 20: Lebron by himself or with Kevin loving Kyrie is gone,
Speaker 20: like they were fucking incredible matchups.
Speaker 15: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 20: We were able to get the better of it, But
Speaker 20: I don't think we would have lost in twenty and sixteen.
Speaker 20: I know we wouldn't have lost.
Speaker 15: We would have won Game five and it would have
Speaker 15: been over. But shit happens.
Speaker 20: But twenty seventeen and eighteen probably wouldn't have been the
Speaker 20: same either, because getting Kevin played a huge fucking role
Speaker 20: in that, you know what I'm saying. So what does
Speaker 20: the dynasty end up going as long as it did?
Speaker 15: Probably not, you.
Speaker 20: Know, but when we got Kevin, it fucking made it.
Speaker 2: You know it over started over.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Emon Shepard.
Speaker 10: The step back right, wouldn't it?
Speaker 1: Was it the truth? In the huddle he told you, Luke,
Speaker 1: give me the ball or was that.
Speaker 2: Just urban legend?
Speaker 10: He told you it would give them ball? Like this
Speaker 10: was early in the fourth. He was frying. He was good,
Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying. He was early in the fourth.
Speaker 12: He said he wanted the ball because uh Bron Bron
Speaker 12: wanted he.
Speaker 10: Wanted a three to one screen Bron was.
Speaker 12: He like, yeah, he the biggest, Like matchup, Nick, Bron
Speaker 12: will play chess with you. It be stone cold to crowd,
Speaker 12: be quiet. He'd be at the top. No, no, make
Speaker 12: him him like him, like no he gonna play Like no,
Speaker 12: he gonna play today.
Speaker 5: He'd be like.
Speaker 12: Whoa buddy, He like, whoa calm down, but he'd be
Speaker 12: dead serious. So he brought that over and we realized
Speaker 12: Steph wasn't trying to match up with Kyle.
Speaker 10: I don't remember the foul situation or.
Speaker 12: What it was, but all we took it is like, oh,
Speaker 12: you scared a dude, You scared a buddy.
Speaker 5: So we just feed him.
Speaker 12: If if Steph came and guarded me if they tried
Speaker 12: to do a triple switch whatever they tried to do.
Speaker 12: I say, bro, if I go down here and I
Speaker 12: set this screen and Steph switch off and try and
Speaker 12: go on me while I'm in the corner, I'm gonna
Speaker 12: bring my screen up too, and now you got a
Speaker 12: double screen. But you, Finnah, have to guard Kyrie. And
Speaker 12: once we knew that at the end of that, Like
Speaker 12: I mean, if you watch film, you knew Kyrie he
Speaker 12: gonna get to that right wing and he gonna punish you.
Speaker 12: But if you watch film, you know that. I just
Speaker 12: don't feel like they watched enough of it because dude wasn't.
Speaker 12: Dude was trying to he Kolbe in his mind didn't didn't.
Speaker 1: Hundred play said that was one of the biggest regrets
Speaker 1: of his career, was switching that screen. I think Clay
Speaker 1: came out and said, that's the biggest one of the
Speaker 1: biggest regrets of my career was switching that screen.
Speaker 10: Clay in his mind, he like, I know exactly what
Speaker 10: it was.
Speaker 14: Clay, Gary Payton, whoever was on that wing was getting
Speaker 14: cooked on this show.
Speaker 12: But I'm saying, like I know that, I know that
Speaker 12: that that energy that Clay talking about where it's like
Speaker 12: I knew good and well, I know what this is,
Speaker 12: I know what's about to happen, and now I got
Speaker 12: to watch it on TV. Yeah, Like now I gotta
Speaker 12: sit here and act like yeah, like my one of
Speaker 12: my biggest regrets. And Steph, I'm sure you would have
Speaker 12: been the light skinned man either way.
Speaker 10: He was gonna be the light skinned man.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: That was destined for you.
Speaker 12: But I feel like when you came to the garden
Speaker 12: and I let Raymond Felton's pride getting away and he
Speaker 12: had fifty.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you why I'm not.
Speaker 5: I feel you because Raymond felt was on my team.
Speaker 14: Jamier Nelson had twenty points in the first quarter the
Speaker 14: first three games of the first round of the playoffs
Speaker 14: on him.
Speaker 12: So I get it. I get it when I tell
Speaker 12: you my dog, but I get Raymond. That's my dog too.
Speaker 12: That's what I said. I Raymond said, schump no, like
Speaker 12: he was like bro like stop like stop, I'm like,
Speaker 12: ge come on, ge like come on.
Speaker 10: Because I just switched off to him. I immediately poked
Speaker 10: the ball away.
Speaker 12: Let's get to this dude, Joe, like stop, letting dude
Speaker 12: do this, but he really be doing this to us.
Speaker 7: Stop letting Tom do this.
Speaker 12: He really be doing it real because I've seen it
Speaker 12: coming coming. I'm like the confidence is changing.
Speaker 5: Gee.
Speaker 12: He going back to Davidson on us. Bro, Nah, his
Speaker 12: jersey ain't read, bro.
Speaker 10: Don't let him do that.
Speaker 5: You feel me.
Speaker 12: I'm like, he doing the shit that we was like,
Speaker 12: you can't do that in the league.
Speaker 10: He started doing it.
Speaker 12: I'm not, Yeah, you going too fast, shooting that jumping Now,
Speaker 12: that's too much.
Speaker 10: You ain't even holding it up no more.
Speaker 12: You ain't you ain't you even yeah falling this shit?
Speaker 12: I no, Bro, Now he talking to the crowd, he
Speaker 12: pointing that fans. I'm like, Steph, don't even do that.
Speaker 12: I think it was us Hey, jim My bad, Hey,
Speaker 12: Hey New York, my bad. If I was a part
Speaker 12: of that, cause shorty, I did not. I could have
Speaker 12: ran up to Raymond like a g you're guarding whatever
Speaker 12: the fuck else.
Speaker 10: But I'm now guarding Steph ninety four feet.
Speaker 12: But I had just got back from injury, so they
Speaker 12: was like, something, you overgassing yourself.
Speaker 5: He's gonna do you.
Speaker 10: That's how they say you on a minute restriction.
Speaker 12: He's gonna do you let raining handle?
Speaker 2: Willing to reblow this wheel?
Speaker 10: Just yes.
Speaker 12: I really felt like in my heart like we are
Speaker 12: birthday an animal. Bro.
Speaker 10: I really think of that moment.
Speaker 12: I'm like, Bro, I think we ignited that confidence that
Speaker 12: came because.
Speaker 10: After that game, Bro, he got very disrespectful.
Speaker 12: He got disrespectful shit twelve.
Speaker 10: Thirteen, twenty twelve thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's it.
Speaker 10: I had just got back, Bro.
Speaker 12: I had to wear a sleeve on my ny I
Speaker 12: never had a black sleeve on my knee.
Speaker 36: Bro.
Speaker 12: I'm like, shorty ass was really dragging us, and I'm like,
Speaker 12: shorty y'all acting like it's record.
Speaker 10: Was coming to I never forget being in a huddle.
Speaker 5: Ron Better? What is he right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2: My dog my bad?
Speaker 5: But yeah, I like all my nigga rong, I just
Speaker 5: like you run you.
Speaker 24: Moron.
Speaker 5: We don't call him Meta?
Speaker 12: Well, better start rubbing my shoulders, like, calm down.
Speaker 10: If he telling you to calm down, he like, be cool,
Speaker 10: what's it?
Speaker 36: No?
Speaker 10: It couldn't have been Meta though, because Meda came.
Speaker 5: The next who was.
Speaker 2: KT?
Speaker 10: Kurt Thomas came grabbed my shoulder, say.
Speaker 5: Hey, that sound different?
Speaker 25: He say a man.
Speaker 10: Calm down, Calm down. But I'm like, I'm like, man,
Speaker 10: what the fuck this? Nika car like three. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 10: this is he putting bullets in us? Bro Like what
Speaker 10: y'all mean? It's not cool? Foul um? Hit him? I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 10: what y'all talking about? He ain't got no bruises on nothing.
Speaker 10: Hit him? Hit him? Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 27: Bro?
Speaker 10: Take a foul he coming off the screen? Hit him.
Speaker 12: I'm like, Bro, y'all want me to do it, but
Speaker 12: I'm like asking coach. They like, man, somebody get wild Man.
Speaker 12: But he liked, he like, come get wild Man over here.
Speaker 12: Calm down, man, that man on the wood. They like
Speaker 12: talking to me like it's before we knew it. The
Speaker 12: man fifty and the garden was cheering for him. I
Speaker 12: say they cheering for him.
Speaker 5: I was sick.
Speaker 12: Bro, light skinned man. I just want you to know, bro,
Speaker 12: light skinning my day. Do you know the light skinning man,
Speaker 12: the light skinning man, the light skin Do you know
Speaker 12: the light skinning man that lives on Jewelry Lane?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 10: Bro, that light skinned man. Now got after that, it
Speaker 10: was real, Yeah, it was run away with it.
Speaker 12: After that he started shooting from forty than start turning
Speaker 12: around when he show him, like you Gilbert areenas now
Speaker 12: you Gilbert Jesus Christ agent zero pieces.
Speaker 14: Man Nix will do it. You stand everybody in confidence.
Speaker 14: He's standing going trust man. I was about to say something,
Speaker 14: what what's the best.
Speaker 10: Version of Bron? Best version? Yeah?
Speaker 14: Yeah, you play with him, you've seen them couple against them. Yeah,
Speaker 14: what's the best version you've seen?
Speaker 12: I think the best version I saw Bron was you
Speaker 12: remember the year that they lost to when Dirk won? Yeah,
Speaker 12: that next year, that next year they came back when
Speaker 12: him and d Wade valve to not shoot, not settle
Speaker 12: for threes, and they played that whole first season and
Speaker 12: they wasn't shooting no threes.
Speaker 10: They was just attacking. It was vicious. I was like, bro,
Speaker 10: what the fuck are we supposed to do with that?
Speaker 10: I was looking at the league like downhill too.
Speaker 12: When I get there, How am I gonna What am
Speaker 12: I gonna do about that?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 10: What is that? Nigga?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 10: They're running fast? They big as shit.
Speaker 12: I'm like d Wade and Broun literally passing it back
Speaker 12: and forth and.
Speaker 10: Just downhill, downhill, down game. Yeah, I'm like y'all not
Speaker 10: gonna shoot.
Speaker 12: They was pump faking every three no matter how wide
Speaker 12: open it was, and attacking.
Speaker 10: I feel like that was the scariest Broun to deal with.
Speaker 12: He was so focused, Like you remember that clip when
Speaker 12: they did they I think they did the the oop
Speaker 12: they did the oop they dunked it. Coach, you would
Speaker 12: have me watch this clip like ten times before the
Speaker 12: game they called a ooh dunky, Ron d Wade and
Speaker 12: Chris Bosh did the fastest sprint like right next to
Speaker 12: each other, like it was like to get back on defense.
Speaker 10: I was like, Nigga, that's the.
Speaker 22: Scariest shit I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 12: Those three right there going on a breakaway, banging that
Speaker 12: bitch after like passing it back and forth and then
Speaker 12: sprinting back to where you can't throw an outlet.
Speaker 19: I was like, well what I was.
Speaker 12: I'll be remembering ship like that because it's like, Bro,
Speaker 12: like you feel me like Bron being able to do
Speaker 12: that and say, you know what, I'm not gonna shoot
Speaker 12: a three now, Like that's what's crazy about Braun.
Speaker 10: Every version is.
Speaker 12: Scary now that I think about it, because it's like
Speaker 12: even now he can say I'm done dunking on y'all,
Speaker 12: but you still finna have to deal with my back
Speaker 12: to the basket and you got deal it.
Speaker 10: I can still pass it really really good.
Speaker 5: I don't feel like.
Speaker 1: If I catch a rhythm. I'm here five or six
Speaker 1: threes on.
Speaker 10: Real talk, real talk, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 10: I figured out this. You throw things for the most part.
Speaker 14: For the most part, my nigga, nigga stills the while,
Speaker 14: he sh I'll just be eyeballs. He funny though, Broo, Yeah,
Speaker 14: I didn't happen a shutty funny though, bro it'd be funny,
Speaker 14: bro Like.
Speaker 1: We got rock on the building trying to find out
Speaker 1: what's going on over here.
Speaker 2: But man, welcome to the show. Clay Thompson, Clay, we
Speaker 2: appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen, Uh you guys a clips the Chicago Bulls. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: seventy three and nine?
Speaker 10: What was leading up?
Speaker 2: We'll talked about the finals? Like, what was it up?
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys were on the pace early on.
Speaker 2: What was every what was it energy like around every
Speaker 2: single game? Oh?
Speaker 26: Man, it was special. That was a special season. We
Speaker 26: didn't finished the job, but that's the season. I'll never forget. Man,
Speaker 26: we remember one point a lot. We were fifty and
Speaker 26: five at one point. I'm like crazy Indiana and there
Speaker 26: and Rick Carl said it was like when the Rolling
Speaker 26: Stars come to tell you know. I was like, that's hilarious,
Speaker 26: more like Bone Dugs and Harmony's you know, yeah, Rick.
Speaker 11: We know you all playing both dugs at hard. That
Speaker 11: was the best. That was a special year.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 26: Every game was just right and like like the team
Speaker 26: wanted to beat us so bad. We're getting hate from
Speaker 26: the old heads like oh, his team would get smacked
Speaker 26: by the bulls, and like, we know, all.
Speaker 11: Right, we just want to We're just doing our job.
Speaker 26: I mean, I've come to also realize like it comes
Speaker 26: from a good place.
Speaker 11: They're just we're all just competitive.
Speaker 26: And I'm not gonna I'm definitely in twenty years and
Speaker 26: not gonna be like these guys are the best now.
Speaker 11: I'm like, nah, twenty tens are the best.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 1: Game six in the Western Conference Finals that year against
Speaker 1: the thunder down three to two on the road, forty
Speaker 1: one and eleven excuse me, forty one points eleven for
Speaker 1: eighteen from the three point line. You guys come back
Speaker 1: and win that series Game six, clays about who he is.
Speaker 14: The beginning the game beginning, Man, that was.
Speaker 26: I just you know, we had obviously everything working against us, like, oh,
Speaker 26: look at these failures. They're about to blow the best
Speaker 26: season of all time. So I just thought my mind, like, man,
Speaker 26: you got to empty the clip, like we can't go
Speaker 26: back to the bay with.
Speaker 11: Yeah, what are we doing here?
Speaker 26: So I just I remember coming out the gate early
Speaker 26: that game and it felt good. Everything was in rhythm
Speaker 26: and just have to be one of those nice man.
Speaker 26: It's just I barely remember the moments, honestly, but I
Speaker 26: watched the Oh you watch the footage, you'd be like,
Speaker 26: I can't believe I shot that shot.
Speaker 11: And when they like a lot of them, I'm like, dang.
Speaker 2: A lot of them.
Speaker 5: Right, They have some nice rooms out.
Speaker 11: There, they like some bouncy. But that was special, man.
Speaker 26: It's still a special team. We didn't finish the job,
Speaker 26: but that was such a special season. I hold that
Speaker 26: record still dear in my heart.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: So you get to the finals against bron again again, too,
Speaker 1: what's the game plan? Obviously you knowing what he did
Speaker 1: kind of single handedly with all due respects the first time,
Speaker 1: second time around went your guys game plan approaching him
Speaker 1: in the finals this stime.
Speaker 11: Oh man, you say like, oh, I'll make the others
Speaker 11: beat us.
Speaker 5: But then like.
Speaker 26: Bron and Kyrie get going, and then you overhelp and
Speaker 26: j R. Smith can shoot, Kevin Love can shoot, James
Speaker 26: Doones can all them all their role players could really shoot.
Speaker 11: So it was actually a great matchup.
Speaker 26: Like personnel watch both teams is you could see there's
Speaker 26: a new era of hoo's being played. Like no traditional center,
Speaker 26: we're not. It's all very guard heavy. Lebron's really a
Speaker 26: guard and having a.
Speaker 11: Gosh, so exhausting.
Speaker 26: I'm so grateful for Andrew just thinking like having to
Speaker 26: chase Kyrie around those seven games was exhausting.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: Well, I've bet some people don't realize, like you were
Speaker 1: the one that always took the best player on the
Speaker 1: other team, whether it be Dame Kyrie. But we're still
Speaker 1: able to do it on the other end too.
Speaker 26: Yeah, who played two guard did the same thing, whether
Speaker 26: it's Mike, Kobe d Way, the greatest to ever do it,
Speaker 26: even a I led the league in steals, like the
Speaker 26: best players to play shooting yard play both sides of
Speaker 26: the ball. I mean go way back to out who's
Speaker 26: Alvid Robinson? He won dp O Y like doing that.
Speaker 26: That's a beast moode. But uh yeah, man, that was
Speaker 26: a tough series. But O, the biggest regret I have
Speaker 26: in my basketball career, besides getting busted for the weed,
Speaker 26: was switching that pick and roll with Steph with j R.
Speaker 5: And Kyrie.
Speaker 26: I still can't, like, I can't bring myself to watch
Speaker 26: that footage. It's it's too uncomfortable. You know, if you
Speaker 26: watched yourself, you know, I can't just gave it that.
Speaker 5: It was a big shot.
Speaker 11: Now, Kyrie got.
Speaker 26: One of the greatest shots the NBA history, and I
Speaker 26: like Steph's great defender too, But I'm just like, man,
Speaker 26: I can't believe I can see of that switch.
Speaker 11: It still burns. You never get over things like that.
Speaker 14: But that was the game plan though at the time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 26: But I'm like, when I look at the footage, I'm like,
Speaker 26: that was a pretty.
Speaker 2: Weak scream I could have got through just but just
Speaker 2: saying you don't. Yeah, both of y'all go.
Speaker 26: And picking pop and jail Kyrie with his tongue contested three.
Speaker 2: You gotta take that, Yeah, you gotta take it.
Speaker 11: That was a that was a dagger.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts when Draymond gets suspended.
Speaker 26: I knew he saw a chance, like he'll be so
Speaker 26: much harder. You know, it is Draymond's are heart and soul.
Speaker 14: Did you think he deserved it to get kicked out?
Speaker 11: Honestly I didn't at the time.
Speaker 26: Yeah, I thought he got stepped over, and I was like, man,
Speaker 26: he's defending him.
Speaker 11: So it happened so much. You're supposed to just do this, steps.
Speaker 2: Over everybody, ain't lou here you go. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: took tie out of it.
Speaker 14: Hey, I stepped over after we throw Dollard to the face,
Speaker 14: and he just he just took He just looked.
Speaker 5: For a time.
Speaker 2: But at least he was there checking him.
Speaker 11: Man balls to check him like that.
Speaker 1: I've never been teammates, but just always admired from afar
Speaker 1: Man Jr.
Speaker 2: Man appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen, Game one of the Finals. You get the
Speaker 1: offensive rebound and dribble towards half court. Talk about that
Speaker 1: to me?
Speaker 7: What happened the play before? It was a foul?
Speaker 26: Uh?
Speaker 1: Wasn't Lebron passed to George Hill? Yeah, who was shooting free.
Speaker 37: Throws right and I thought he made both of he did,
Speaker 37: so I was all right, bet, so next time, George,
Speaker 37: get the bar on the free throws. I'm all right, bet,
Speaker 37: we get the bar.
Speaker 2: Ship.
Speaker 37: They're gonna you know what I mean, we call time
Speaker 37: out whatever, they're gonna try a foul anyway, so we
Speaker 37: do what we normally do. All right, Bet, get the ball.
Speaker 37: Nobody called time out. All right, Bet, I'm about to,
Speaker 37: you know what I mean, dribble it back out. Then game,
Speaker 37: game about to be over. I look Lebron, Bron pointing
Speaker 37: like this. Oh I look over oh man. And then
Speaker 37: after that it was just like, I know this ship
Speaker 37: ain't just happen. I know this ship ain't just happened.
Speaker 37: Not in the finals, not in the finals. He was
Speaker 37: about to beat these niggas.
Speaker 5: Say with the box out.
Speaker 14: The box out looked at you didn't expect to get
Speaker 14: that ball because you had k right there.
Speaker 7: I had no It's no way he was getting the riboud,
Speaker 7: no bullshit, I was told.
Speaker 37: I was so bet on going the other way and
Speaker 37: trying to steal the rebound because I was like, damn,
Speaker 37: if the ball come this way, I'm dead anyway. So
Speaker 37: I'm thinking, if the ball goes out. Way I can.
Speaker 37: I can at least at least try and tip it
Speaker 37: somewhere right in your hands.
Speaker 7: The way it look.
Speaker 37: The ball came right, I said, oh, ship, grab the
Speaker 37: ball all right, bet, Bro, we get to we'll get
Speaker 37: to the time out. I can laugh about it now.
Speaker 1: How long before you How long did it take you
Speaker 1: to laugh about it? Because it was memes, it was
Speaker 1: all over the world. It's going to go down here.
Speaker 7: He lied about that ship that night.
Speaker 5: No, he did in the chata.
Speaker 37: Dude, Bro, I can't, don't. I'm not a person to
Speaker 37: hold on the ship. I'm not going hold on to
Speaker 37: no grudges. I'll never forget it, but I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1: Suck up the first time.
Speaker 5: We all.
Speaker 7: Messed up?
Speaker 1: So what was the time out?
Speaker 2: Like? Man?
Speaker 37: When I tell you it was like well, Brian asked,
Speaker 37: do we haven't? Oh my goodness, and nobody wanted to
Speaker 37: answer the question.
Speaker 2: I didn't want anything.
Speaker 37: I tell you, I'm telling him all the way. But
Speaker 37: what I'm telling him all the way to the bench.
Speaker 37: We gotta time out, I said, Bro, why do you
Speaker 37: need to just call time out? Why do you just
Speaker 37: call time out? That's why we was talking, Bro, he
Speaker 37: was like walking to the bench. I'm like he asked.
Speaker 7: He said, Yo, we gotta time out? Do we gotta
Speaker 7: time out? When I tell you?
Speaker 37: Some of the players just looked away, and the coaching
Speaker 37: staff looked like they could turn spook. Why as a ghost,
Speaker 37: bru I was like, oh ship, I replayed, I was.
Speaker 7: Crying in my in my room.
Speaker 2: How is crying?
Speaker 36: How did he get the downy picker up or paper towel?
Speaker 36: Like he has a house paper towel and just when
Speaker 36: he found out we had time as luck, he put
Speaker 36: it on his edge and back his face. When did
Speaker 36: he get the downy the quicker picker.
Speaker 7: That he always because he don't used the regular towels,
Speaker 7: you know, so he.
Speaker 27: Has a roll a quicker pickle down on the side.
Speaker 7: It ain't down there. I can't lie because I'm using.
Speaker 37: Ships work, using all the same toils and ship and
Speaker 37: you're trying to wash and I ain't trying with it.
Speaker 2: I saw that though all the coaches were spooked.
Speaker 5: I've seen it and.
Speaker 2: Want to say, got any time out?
Speaker 37: This is this is my thing though, like if it was,
Speaker 37: if it's my fault and you want to depend it
Speaker 37: on me, all right?
Speaker 1: Cool?
Speaker 2: Make me free throws.
Speaker 5: First g he will make the damn free throws.
Speaker 37: None of this, I mean, that's why it happens, you
Speaker 37: know what I'm saying. That's why I can't be mad
Speaker 37: at him for making the free show. We couldn't we
Speaker 37: we didn't have to be in a position to win
Speaker 37: the game.
Speaker 27: Yeah, had an incredible game, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 37: So I hit TU that night. I was like, oh, man, bro,
Speaker 37: I don't even know what to say. He's like, Bro,
Speaker 37: what are you talking about. You made a basketball play,
Speaker 37: it didn't work out, and you mess and it happens.
Speaker 37: I was like, yeah, bro, but I should have shot
Speaker 37: the ball whatever whatever I said to him. He's like, man,
Speaker 37: but what if you ain't get the rebound? The game
Speaker 37: would have been over anyway. So I was like when
Speaker 37: I thought about that, I was like, well, yeah, right,
Speaker 37: at there's so many ship that could have happened, and
Speaker 37: what did happen? It happened and then we get swept anyway.
Speaker 37: So it was like we got okay, we won one game.
Speaker 37: Didn't want what is the difference?
Speaker 14: But that game won Broun that game he had, that's
Speaker 14: one of the best games of his career for sure.
Speaker 37: Wow, for sure, the wow I would have changed the
Speaker 37: whole series of bro if it.
Speaker 7: Was the fifth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd be perfant on that right.
Speaker 19: Had balls Grandpa, and we got.
Speaker 1: The one and only Kevin Durant. Take me back to
Speaker 1: the finals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last year.
Speaker 1: And I say sometimes as athletes, we need to be
Speaker 1: protected from ourselves because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we got that.
Speaker 5: Say.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So you're on the brink of your third straight title
Speaker 1: Finals MVP the prior to years, tell me where your
Speaker 1: mindset was to come back and try to help your
Speaker 1: team get.
Speaker 10: Over that hup.
Speaker 38: I mean, as I started getting healthy, I started, you know,
Speaker 38: having these pictures in my mind about what it would
Speaker 38: be like to come back from down three to one.
Speaker 5: I know for a fact, I wasn't gonna.
Speaker 38: Get finals MVP, but seeing you know, Steph get that
Speaker 38: moment I was looking forward to, or Clay whoever it
Speaker 38: was at that time I was looking for. I was
Speaker 38: just picturing so much in my mind. At that point,
Speaker 38: it's just great things happening. If I stepped back on
Speaker 38: the court, and you know it started to turn that
Speaker 38: first you know what I'm saying, Like you know I
Speaker 38: could tell. I can tell you know, when I went
Speaker 38: back to the bench to confidence, my teammates had the
Speaker 38: whole organization, Like I could look down and see, you know,
Speaker 38: our fans and E forty, everybody just had a sense
Speaker 38: of like, man, back I knew the fans back in
Speaker 38: the bay was just so excited that I was playing again.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 22: It was just a life is crazy.
Speaker 38: You know, you can be on that high so fast
Speaker 38: and then a matter of second you go back down.
Speaker 38: I'm grateful for it. It's fucked up that I had
Speaker 38: to go through, but I'm also grateful that I can
Speaker 38: experience it because down the line, I can be able
Speaker 38: to speak on how much it helped me as a
Speaker 38: player in the person.
Speaker 1: What was it like once you went down, knowing you're down,
Speaker 1: and then seeing Clay go down, and then the Raptors
Speaker 1: winning a championship, knowing that should have been your guys'
Speaker 1: third in row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was rough.
Speaker 38: It was rough because I feel like throughout the season
Speaker 38: we could have definitely we could have locked in a
Speaker 38: little bit earlier for the playoffs, and I feel like
Speaker 38: and I feel like when we getting down to that moment,
Speaker 38: it was just like damn it, you know, having me
Speaker 38: and play out and not winning the championship out the
Speaker 38: planning for so long, just like that's just that's just
Speaker 38: how the gods work. That's just how the games work sometimes.
Speaker 38: And just like throughout the regular season, I really wish
Speaker 38: that we'd have locked in a little bit more, you
Speaker 38: know what I mean, it had a little bit more
Speaker 38: game playing, a little bit more focused going into the season,
Speaker 38: so that like it didn't have to end that way,
Speaker 38: you know what I'm saying. It's like we waited so
Speaker 38: long just for that moment instead of like each game
Speaker 38: was important, you know, even in the regular season, even
Speaker 38: in the first round, Like we waited for so long
Speaker 38: just for the finals, and it happened that way. It
Speaker 38: was it was like it made me think about the
Speaker 38: whole season as a whole.
Speaker 1: That's a gift in the curse, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Because for them it was a five year run to
Speaker 1: know that, Bro, we're gonna be playing till June every year.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, you know, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of basketball.
Speaker 2: It's a lot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 38: And I didn't realize that until, you know, until we
Speaker 38: started getting into the playoffs and we played Houston and
Speaker 38: it was just like, Ship, this is the third year
Speaker 38: of us making this run. It's tough, and so two
Speaker 38: more years before that, I know mentally, you know, training,
Speaker 38: it's draining, raining, and I got it, but it was like, Ship,
Speaker 38: it's right in our hands, it's right there for us
Speaker 38: to get a three p It hasn't happened in a while,
Speaker 38: so you know, is that it's that point where I
Speaker 38: was like, let's just fucking lock in and do it.
Speaker 2: H