WEBVTT - 20 NBA Finals Moments That Define Wanting 'ALL THE SMOKE' 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.480 This episode is presented to you by DraftKings. 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:06.880 The crown is yours. Talk to us about that journey. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.040 I remember to this day. I was like, we're not 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.239 gonna lose to them. We're not gonna lose Game five 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:11.720 on our. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:16.600 Home court, Ladies and gentlemen, if you don't think you're 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:17.200 gonna win. 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:17.680 It's over. 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:19.560 So when I player gets him in the game, I 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:21.560 knew everything was gonna do. Like I swear to guy 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.280 Snack every every move, every counter. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:30.600 I know this shit is just haben. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.199 I know this ship is just saber, not. 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:34.880 Not. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.880 I can't live with myself if he beats me on 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:41.680 the highest stage. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.000 Like bro y'all does have to have my back. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:53.120 Let's welcome to the show. Magic Johnson, your rookie year. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.800 Go to the finals. First, Doctor j you're able to 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.279 beat them finals MVP is a rookie. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:00.680 But before where we get to the. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:05.560 Final dinner, Before we get to that final experience, Doctor Jason, 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.960 when you looked up to I heard in college he 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:09.440 kind of rolled out the red carpet to you. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.640 Explain that story about doctor j Yeah. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:18.240 So I was leaving school and I called him up, and. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.479 So he said hey, I said, hey, what is it. 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.240 Like leaving you left? So I want you to tell 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.000 me what it's like for me to leave Michigan stay early. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.400 And so he was explaining to me on the phone, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.200 and then he said, I'm gonna do you one better 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:36.880 fly out to Philly and hang out with me for 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:37.440 the weekend. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:43.039 I said, what, Doc, No, Doc, that's doc. 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.400 This is doctor J saying a young fellow can come 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.280 hang with him. And he put me up at his 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:49.720 crib at the big mansion. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.440 How he pick you up a limo? 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:59.720 And my brother was like, oh, show, I'm calling everybody. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.560 I'm with doctor J at his house. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.280 And so you know, I'm sitting there, living in the 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.360 living room and he's talking to me and I'm just 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.160 zoning out, like I can't even believe it. I've always 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:13.840 had docs on. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:15.480 So now I'm with him. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:16.440 Oh it was. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.280 Crazy, man. So we hung out the whole weekend. Wife 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.400 took great care of me as well, went to a 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.440 couple of playoff games he was in the playoffs. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.240 He gave me some great advice. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.840 And then here it is seven months later, I'm playing 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:34.359 the brother in the NBA finals. My idol, I'm playing 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:39.679 him in the NBA Finals. And so we so I said, man, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:41.680 I love you, but I gotta take him out too, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.000 and take him out. But when he came down that 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.800 middle I mean on that right side and cuffed that 0:02:47.880 --> 0:03:02.720 ball on cool, I said, oh oh man. And then 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.239 the other one was he came down the right side 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.160 and he jumped out of bounds and he started walking 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.400 the finger roll yeah, in. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.680 The air and fro going back, bunting against the glasses. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:17.960 Good. 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.160 I said, man, this dude is too much. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:21.480 Man. 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:26.880 See he was doing that George before Michael. People forget that. Yeah, 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.240 he was the first dude walking in the air. Oh man. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.480 It was so much fun playing against Die and that 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:33.959 we won. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.680 But talk about talk about yourself. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.240 A little bit because Kareem went down. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:43.040 You're a rookie twenty years old years in the NBA Finals, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.680 the only first and only rookie to ever win finals. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:46.000 MVP. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.280 Talk to these people that didn't follow the game back 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.240 then and what it was like and the numbers. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.480 You put up slid to the center, that center from 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:55.560 point go out to center. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.320 Well you know again, man, I so he gets Kareem 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.720 gets hers it in game five, and so I get 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.360 to the airport, everybody head. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:05.840 Is down because Kareem can't play. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.560 I said, so what, Kareem can't play, We're still gonna win, right, 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.520 And they looked at me like rookie. 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:11.880 Go sit down. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:16.120 We can't beat Philadelphia without Kareem. I said, man, we're 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.400 gonna win this game, and they. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.360 Was like, we can't do it. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.479 Irvan, I said, so I gotta do something, Matt, I said, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.479 I got to do something to get these guys going. 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.560 So Kareem would always sit in one A that was 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.359 his seat. So I asked a flight attendant could I 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.320 go on the plane first. So I went and sat 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.800 in Kareem seat, and as every Laker came by, I said, 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.080 never fear magic is here. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:44.599 And they were like, this dude is crazy. 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:48.480 You know, so they laughed. So I had five hours 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.880 all the way flight from LA to Philadelphia to work 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.960 on their mindset and lattitude. Because ladies and gentlemen, if 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:58.040 you don't think you're gonna win an win over, it's over. 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.000 So I told him, man, gonna win this game. And 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:03.960 so I told the coach I'm gonna play center. He 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:08.400 was like he was like, he looked at me like, yeah, 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:09.360 have you ever played center? 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.840 I said, yeah, I played center in high school. He said, Man, 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.000 that was two or three years ago. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.960 I said, I'm gonna play center tomorrow against Cadwell Jones. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.480 So long story short, you know, I scored forty two points, 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:25.680 fifteen rebound, seven assists, winning the game. And it was 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:30.240 a blessing to him. To be named NBA Most Vavable 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.080 Player the Finals was a true blessing. But to win 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.080 the game, yes, again. 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:36.400 First and foremost. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.120 All the other stuff don't matter, right, just win the game. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.440 So we won the championship. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.479 So that was my first one, and then I became 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.720 the third guy ever in NBA history college come out 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:48.159 of college. 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:49.920 That's right, to go back to back. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.120 So it's a bit a blessing, a lot of history. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:06:01.240 And welcome to the show, Sean kimp Man. Six, you 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.159 finally break through. You sweep Dream and Clyde beat Stock 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.880 in them alone. In seven, you get to Mike. You're 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.640 avenue twenty three and ten in the finals. What was 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.159 that we got GP started. We had GP a couple 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.040 of years ago. GP said, if GP said, if they 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.440 would have put him on our MJ earlier, y'all would 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:20.800 have won it. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.720 Yeah, Gary was having had They had a couple of 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.080 little injuries he had, so they didn't want to exert 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.440 him at first. They put that lia on Michael Jordan. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.840 Which didn't go well. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:37.480 I mean, I mean, look at it. DeLand is a 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.520 great player. I mean he is, man. I don't think 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.719 it was fair to him all of a sudden. You know, 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.000 you come on, you know what I'm saying. If anything, 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.160 you pull somebody off the bench and pull on Michael Jordan, 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:47.640 they can just waste files. 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:48.719 And be physical with him. 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:50.960 But you know, you come out there being soft with Michael, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.000 He's gonna take advantage of you. And that's exactly what happened. 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.919 But Michael wasn't the reason he didn't beat us in 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.240 the championship. He did not beat us. Man, we was 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.440 on his ass. Well, he didn't beat us. Dennis Robbins 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.480 the one who we had no answer for his ass man, Really, 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.080 we had no answer for Dennis Robbins. I mean, every 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.520 time that they needed a second shot or something special, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:16.840 extra rebound or tipping, this motherfucker was flying and winking, 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.640 and I mean he said winking and winking and testing 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.400 and ship frustrating everybody on the team. Man, it's not 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.400 even like that. He just do that ship. Just just 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.600 doing that ship. He had you know, my team just flustered. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:30.920 Man, what kind of ship would he do? 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.440 Uh, I'm gonna tell you what, Frank mcconsky. Man, Then 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.680 this mon dinnis started wearing color contacts doing the championship. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.960 He started wearing color color contacts during the championship with 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.120 some lip ship on man. He would be like he 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.440 was trying to kiss Frank's arm and the ship, and 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.680 then Frank just couldn't take it. Man, it was just 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:58.760 the man and him just couldn't allow it. Dinner's new 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.320 buttons to push, man, we need to freak the rebound. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.000 He got him all discombobulated. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:06.560 Man. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.720 So yeah, my god, absolutely, man, Dennis Robert. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.720 He I was his defense man, well me. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.520 I mean his defense was good. It wasn't. I mean, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:20.320 he wasn't just too big for dinner. You know what 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.240 I'm saying. I'm a little bit too big for dinner. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.160 I don't think that's a fair agile to But his 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:27.200 defense was great. 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:27.400 Man. 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:29.440 Like I said, he was just tipping the ball and 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.920 rebounding high knee and doing all this silly ship man, 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.000 all the ship that you hate to see. 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:35.720 And they needed. 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.360 Yeah, that's exactly what they need. 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:39.400 Man. 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.640 Scotty Pipping is great man. You know, I played with 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.760 Pipping in Portland. I just say this, but sometimes they 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.959 people don't get Pipping his props. But Scottie Pippen was 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.520 gonna be good ball player without Michael Jordan. He would 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.360 have been a quality ball player without Michael Jordan. Michael 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.400 Jordan definitely made him a little bit better. But my man, 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.800 Scotty Pippen was still balling when he was in Portland. 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.160 You know, he wasn't no match for Kobe when we 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:03.640 were playing back then. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.600 Yeah, Kobe, but. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.960 Scotty was still balling. Man. He could still play the 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.640 pass and lanes. He's never been a great shooter, but 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.120 he's just been athletic to do a lot of different things, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.160 you know, pass, scoring, rebounding, that's his game. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:19.600 Talk. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.800 What was Mike like in those finals? Talking just straight 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:23.600 about business? 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:24.360 What was it like? 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:29.240 And well, we played Mike in the finals. We were 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.240 trying to engage with him a lot, man. We really 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:37.840 wanted him. We wanted physicality, we wanted to uh, we 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.760 were trying to test him, but he wasn't. He wasn't 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:41.200 going forward. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.679 He was focused all right here there was a picture 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:45.080 right there. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.440 No, that's that's Gary. Gary was letting him know that 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.160 he was getting in his ass, because that's when they 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.360 didn't put they took Gary, They took Daglas off. Michael 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.400 put Gary on. So Gary, you know, I used to 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.240 run down court. I'd be and I'd be like, showt 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:05.040 him the glove. I'll be like the glove, can't give 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.400 his back the ball away and gave him flashy glove 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.320 to But that's you see Michael looking back a flashing 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.880 that glove side. He didn't like that ship. That's the ship. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.160 That's the ship. That's the ship there. That's you. You 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.320 get Michael going. Man, when you see that look right there, 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.640 you got some problems coming back because now you don't 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.120 want to talk to you. Now he got something to 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.080 prove to you. You got another problem. 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:28.760 Get a chance to know Mike off the court. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.920 Not so much off the court, but definitely battles on 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.800 the court, man, definitely battles on the choir respecting. I 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.880 got a lot of mad respect for the man. You know, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.079 I've seen people be physical with Mike. I've seen him 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.000 have a game plan to stop him. He altered his 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.120 game plan every night. You couldn't stop him. Is he 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:52.280 the best ever played the game? 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:52.640 No? 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:53.440 Who is? 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.240 I mean, people get mad at me when I say this, 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:07.839 spell but Bill Russell, Bill Russell, Bill Russell. You know 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.920 what I'm saying. The best they ever played the game 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.320 is not gonna be the league scorer. The best to 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:13.839 play the game is gonna be one. It's gonna be 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.400 in the middle doing a lot of different things because 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.240 he's gonna be able to help people out keep the 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.679 ball and play. Bill Russell was the first one blocking shots. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.920 Keep the ball in play. You know, we was blocking 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.280 shots doing that shit seventeen rolls up in the stairs. 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.080 He was actually blocking shots and they was actually getting 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.680 fucking layups off of him. So absolutely, man. I you know, 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.760 as I look through the years of basketball, I think 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.760 Will Chamberan was a beast, but ship Bill Russell was 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.440 wearing his ass up. So let's keep it real. If 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.959 you're talking about the all around best player of the game, 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.160 you look and see how many championships they won, how 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.800 long they did it, He's got to be up there, bro. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.040 So with that, I think, you know, I think unfortunately 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.040 people forget about the age a little bit. People didn't 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.320 get a chance to see those guys play. They don't 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.600 really know the history of some of these older players 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.120 played in the game back then, Lgim Baylor and some 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.440 of these guys. But they don't They didn't get a 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.200 chance to see some of these guys. All they see 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.520 is a couple of clips. And now they forced to 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.319 be able to look at Michael and Kobe and. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:18.240 Lebron most dominant player ever step on the basketball court, 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:23.120 man Shack ninety five Finals run because shut the Boston 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:29.040 Garden down, beat the Bulls, pace her battle and then 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.040 you run into a team. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:30.960 And then in the finals. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:31.760 That was. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:33.760 My fault. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:34.800 We lost. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.439 Why you say that because as a leader, I didn't 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:43.559 lead after we beat the Bulls, I let up, Mike, 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.680 We're straight. We didn't play it Houston before. I think 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.240 it was one and one on you know, even Siri, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.920 kam gonna get thirty. I'm gonna get twenty seven, right, 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:59.800 and off the record, we had eight days off me 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:01.760 and these guys was doing stuff we weren't supposed to 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:02.000 be doing. 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:02.240 Yeah. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.440 Yeah, they had like a little parade and all that. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:07.600 We were just celebrating. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.360 So it taught me never to celebrate too early, and 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.480 then when we get in the game, we hang out 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.640 with him and then it just you know, Nick's and 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.720 you know, can't blame it on Nick. My fault because 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.240 I didn't get the guys ready, but Nick missus the 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.400 free throws. We go down on one second game, we 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.400 go down, oh two, we go to Houston, we know 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.400 we don't have a shot, so we get swept. But 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.280 it just taught me never to celebrate too early, and 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.440 then also put that hunger in me. And I said, okay, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.480 if I ever get back to the finals ever again, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.120 I got to dominate forties. Forget that twenty eight ten, 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:45.760 I'll be telling me I got to be in the forties. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.280 That's why when we made to the finals, I was 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.800 trying to put up big numbers because if we don't win, 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.080 it's gonna be my fault. And as a leader, I 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.480 accept that. I want that and once you say shit, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:01.079 I can't shit. That's why they lost it. I accept 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.760 all those challenges because that's how it was for me 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.360 as a youngster growing up with a drill sergeant father. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:08.680 If you walk to your. 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.079 Brother and sisters to school, and your brother come back 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.320 when his shirt messed up because he got jumped. That's 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.400 your fault and I'm whooping your ass. Question handles right, 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.520 no question. So it just taught me never to celebrate 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:21.960 too early. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.760 Welcome to The show Man T two thousand Finals versus 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.200 the Pacers. We're seeing Kobe turn into a star in 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.400 front of our eyes. Jayden Rose spoke to this about 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.360 that series. It's a new part of our show. We 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:35.280 never did this before. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:36.680 He's coming on party. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.240 We hit us with to get down and laid down. 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.680 That was dope because he was arguing with their bench 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.400 like I used to hear Phil yelling at Kobe. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:55.960 Passed the ball, the ball, get off of it, Yeah. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:56.680 Get off of it. 0:14:59.320 --> 0:14:59.800 I don't know what. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:06.160 And he watched it right and Shaq fouled out. Hey man, Cole, 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.960 I love cold so much. He went to work on 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:11.920 us and then he hit that jumper at the top 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.200 of the kid and he did this that wasn't even 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:22.160 to us, that was to his team. When Cole first 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.520 got drafted to the probably shouldn't say I'm just trying 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.360 not to say too much of what I know. But 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:31.800 like Cole was presented by his own teammates on show, 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.520 his own teammates I couldn't believe it. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:35.920 They was hating on him. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.200 I'm like, why y'all gonna hate on. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:39.840 Him because he was that confident. 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:40.640 But he ain't. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.000 He ain't even like go out, he ain't dream. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.200 He was over with us. We was in college. He 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.680 was a laker on campus. Chilling when you hear stuff 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.840 like that, taking you back to those times, what comes 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:54.680 to your mind? 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.040 Man, just a killer, just like we talked about it, 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.680 just you know, shock foul out. So like everybody kind 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.600 of panicked. So they thought, like, okay, shock foul out. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.800 We got to move the ball. We gotta get everybody involved, 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.359 we gotta play a different style of basketball. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.080 And so I think Covid missed like three shots in 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:11.320 a row. 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.600 He like took a couple of bad shots whatever, and 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:14.680 he missed three shots in a row. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.040 So guys like, man, you got to move the ball. 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.360 And the field was on him a little bit in 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.240 the time out, and he came out. I think he 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:20.920 might have scored like twelve straight or something, and then 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.080 he hit that big shot and he was. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.960 Like relaxed, like I got this. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.560 And after that, after that series, then that's when he 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:30.640 it was over. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:31.360 It was over. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.440 Relaxed. I got it, so, you know. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.280 The reporter asked Kobe, He's like, you know, your teammate 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.440 say you don't trust him? You don't said how you 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.720 feel about that? He said, well, I feel like I 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.080 got a better chance of making a shot out with 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:44.720 two people than the guy's wide open. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:45.600 You know what I'm saying. 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:47.640 You know what I'm saying. 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.880 You got serious? 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:52.080 You know? 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.240 So you know I love him? I love him sure? 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.400 With that, and with that. 0:16:58.480 --> 0:16:59.960 He might just make this ship now. 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.879 Two thousand and one, fifteen to one in the playoffs, 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.960 the infamous step over with Alan Iverson. He spoke to 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.640 that on our show, and I think surprised a lot 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.920 of people with his answer. Let's take a look at that. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.720 You guys run into the Lakers in the two thousand 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.520 and one finals, go into La Get Game one, when 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.080 you hit the jumper on Tilu and stepped over. I 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.280 mean that still gets played daily looking back now, almost 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.200 twenty years ago, what do you think about that? 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:31.080 I don't like it? 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:36.919 Really, he was giving me so many problems, man, straight 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.720 dog like. When I stepped over him, it was like, 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:41.640 I ain't no, I did it, And then they try 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.439 to get me to mimic that shit years later, like, 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:46.360 I don't even know how to do it. You don't 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.520 know when you're gonna do something. You don't know the 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.680 emotions in the game or what go on throughout the game. 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:55.760 It can be a coach that pitched you off and 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.960 you react a certain way, you know, to basically tell him, yeah, 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:01.879 look what I did that moment. 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:02.840 Yeah it was. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.639 It was dope when you look back on it, but 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:07.320 I just don't like it. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.720 H Obviously a moment we live in a social media 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.879 moment now that wasn't back then, but it's still something 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.840 that kind of surfaces around speak to that moment, and 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:18.400 then also your relationship. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.040 With him at the moment. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.000 You know, like I said, people make a big deal 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:23.280 out of it, like he crossed me over and I 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.399 fell down, and then he stepped over me like he 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.680 had a contested shot. I stepped back and I failed, 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.439 he stepped over top of me, and you know, for me, 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:31.320 it wasn't even a big deal. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:32.640 Still to this day, it's not a big deal. 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.520 And you get kids like, oh, that's the guy you 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.560 weren't even born. 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.679 I'm on that same mixtape. They showed me more highlights 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:43.399 after they're falling. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.480 So I'm with you, But it wasn't even a big deal, 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:46.919 like to me, you know what I'm saying. People make 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.560 a big deal of it, like it's a part of history, 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.400 and that's okay. Like I love I love Ai even 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.399 before the series, like it's somehow idolized. 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:54.200 He's two years. 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:54.520 Older than me. 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.879 But like, man, the corn rolls from the hood, like 0:18:58.320 --> 0:18:59.879 my height, all the things. 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.720 That girls like. 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.399 But like he he changed our game, like in thet 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.400 to the culture of our game, like the change you know, Jordan, 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.000 they weren't suits, they like te. 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.679 White teas, change braids, Like. 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:16.600 He changed the game for us as from where we 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.680 come from. That's huge for us because a lot of times, 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:20.159 you know. 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:21.280 It's young black men. 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.760 Yeah, I'm not comfortable wearing a suit, and if I 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.480 get a suit, it might be a two hunds suit. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.199 Eddie Jones laughing at me, like what you got on? 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:29.640 You know, you're always teasing people. 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.280 So like he changed the culture for us and made 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.840 it okay to be an NBA player but also be. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.480 Who you are. And so I idolized this dude. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.040 I told him from day one, and so when I 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:41.960 played him every day in practice before he played in 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.200 the finals, like just mimicking who he was and feel like. 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:46.119 Play fast, do this. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.240 I knew every movie did Like I was so happy 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:54.560 two weeks of just being a man move And so 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:56.440 when I played against him in the game, I knew 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.200 everything he was gonna do, like I swear to God, 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.720 stack every every move, every counter. And so you know, 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:04.480 to me, like I said, I idolize a dude. And 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.359 so if it's a moment in history and he deserves 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.440 it like he deserves it, like I don't, I don't 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:08.679 make me. 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.760 No, No, it was that because how he is the 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.479 love for you, for you, like he don't like hot. 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.359 People try to make it as it seem like he 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:18.199 be liling you. You know what I'm saying, Because the 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:19.840 love he got for you, that's why he don't like it. 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:20.600 And I love that. 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.399 But I mean, you ai, I'm t lou and I 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:27.880 have no problem with that. Like I'm a realize both here. Yeah, 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.320 I mean I'm a dog like you know all you like, 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.840 like I'm a dog, like I'm a guard every night, 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:33.880 I'm not gonna back down. 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:35.600 If we got a scrap, I'm gonna scrap. 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.680 You know what I'm saying. It is what it is. 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.320 But at the end of the day, like he's MVP 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.159 and I'm just I'm just happy to be able to 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.480 have a chance to compete against him at a high level. 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:46.440 So I'm giving everything I got. But like I said, 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.480 that's my guy, Like if he needed it or whatever, 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:49.120 that's that's my. 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:49.679 Guy to the end. 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.160 They don't know Chuck is one of the most sensitive 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.280 NBA players ever. He cry all that he gonna tell 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.200 you he loved you twenty times, twenty times. 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:57.720 You know what I'm saying. 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:01.440 People don't know that the random phone out the blue yea, 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:02.760 I love you, Yeah, and. 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:03.440 I love him too. 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:07.360 To get a chance to compete against him in two 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:08.080 thousand and one. 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:09.840 I don't know where I would be because, like you 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:11.119 know what I'm saying, Like, you don't know if you 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.320 don't get an opportunity, like I was like on the 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:14.600 bench kind of you know what I'm saying. I didn't 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.080 play till six minutes to go in the third quarter. 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:18.840 I didn't play the whole first half, you know what 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.760 I'm saying. So, like having an opportunity to compete against him, 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.480 like it just it changed my career, changed my life. 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:29.439 Yeah, yeah, that two thousand and one team one of 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.120 the greatest, if the greatest of all time, all time. 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.560 Yeah, the greatest of all time for sure. Nobody could 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:35.360 beat that team. 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.639 Who so it was name that wrote Who's who's on 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:38.440 that roster with y'all? 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:45.800 Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw, Rick Fox, Horse, Grant 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:52.120 Shack Cold there yet Robert or Yeah, So, I mean 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.760 it wasn't. I'm just basing off of Shock and Cold, 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.560 like people talking about you know, Draymond got crazy, Like yeah, 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.520 I mean nobody see the pro mean is what they 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:02.840 understand is Shock, Like you know we can you can 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:07.840 double team guard Shack? Ye forget everything everything. 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:08.920 Else, Like how you're gonna guard Shack? 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.680 Like that's that's the biggest thing because now you and 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.280 the bonus for six minutes to go in the game, 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.560 I mean the in the quarter. Now Kobe gets loose, 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.639 you can't touch him night free line, So like, how 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:20.760 are you gonna guard Shack? 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.600 That's what people understand, like that was that was the best. 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:25.399 That was the great team of all time to me, 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.360 for sure, Kobe any Kobe and Shock team, I don't 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.359 see how you can how you can beat that team. 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:35.280 He's saying my brother Kenyan Mark k motherfucking Mark. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:36.560 Two thousand and two Finals. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:42.320 You guys and they came across that midpoint they were having. 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:44.160 They came across the midpoint. 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:45.199 So we're talking about that. 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.000 We're gonna get to that, oh too, Shock and Kobe, 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.439 you were you guys run through the east and you 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:53.199 guys run into them? 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:53.719 What was it like? 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.399 There was the one picture I think in that finals 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.959 where Shack was dunking on everybody on the team at 0:22:57.960 --> 0:22:59.320 one time, absolutely. 0:22:58.840 --> 0:22:59.520 In one video. 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.919 That is one of the best pictures in sport history, 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.920 in NBA history though, like steel shots, that's one of 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:07.800 the best pictures. 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:08.080 Ever. 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:10.960 How tough were they though? How tough were they in 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:15.240 the it's But you were someone you had to guard. 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:17.920 You you were a rare person could guard Shack and you. 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:18.800 Had to you had to guard. 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:20.560 I was the romer. 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.800 I was the double guy. Because it fits like, wait, 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:24.879 while I can't do nothing with that dude. If I 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:26.359 did get caught on, all I have to do is 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:28.600 try to front him, and he just pushed me up 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.160 the lane. They thought it was impossible to guard. 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:31.880 Impossible. 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.360 Listen, man, So you pick your poison, do you try 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:36.240 to play him straight up. 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.359 You know what you're gonna do? Do you double swing swings? 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.360 Now you got Now you got Derek Fischer going four 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:48.320 for seven, Robert or going two for five, Devin George 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:52.720 going too for It's just so then what do you do? 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:57.800 And then you got the other animal that one on 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.360 one is destroying. 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:01.480 Us everybody in the world. 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.040 He average shock, averaging thirty six. He averaged twenty six whatever, 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:07.880 like it was impossible. But you know what I'm saying. 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.720 I I look back at it, like I averaged twenty 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:15.160 two against them, like my second year average twenty twenty 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:19.439 finals against them, Like I posted on like somebody like 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.399 the number of points in these serious somebody posted like 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:23.160 it was one of them apps. 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:24.760 Oh yeah, I seen that thing. You were up there. 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:26.280 That's right, I'm. 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:26.480 Third on the list. 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.959 Of course you had Shock and coke cole and then 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:30.760 came on. 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:32.480 You know what I'm saying, So I average twenty twenty 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:36.040 finals like my second year, like game four and our 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.359 home flow like man, we ain't getting swept like fuck that, 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.320 Like I'm not going home tonight, Like we're going back there, 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:43.840 like you. 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:44.600 Went home that night. 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:45.440 You were home that night. 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:47.200 It happens though. 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.840 Seventeen in the first thirty five for the game No, 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:51.960 I hate, but wasn't. 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:53.920 It was. 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:55.600 It was a different animal. 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.720 There was just no no machine, nothing you could put 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:00.720 in front of shock in Cobe around that time. 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:02.399 I don't care what it was. It was nothing. You 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:03.879 could do nothing. 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:05.160 And then the next. 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:07.080 Year, next year, you run into these fellas. 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:09.680 It came on down and say in the Texas boy, 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:17.199 old spur boy, they ass got lucky. We split the 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.679 first two games on their floor. No, we were scared 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:23.600 with after y'all should have been. I told j JK 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:24.920 was busting our ass. 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:25.199 Bro. 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.800 We split if we go home and get two because 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.639 it was the two three two s they got with 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:36.000 our home floor. If we go boy, listen, No, but 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:36.880 Timmy was prob. 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:39.160 He took one. 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.480 He went to UH and took one in Jersey by 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:43.320 him damnself. 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:46.760 Some of the numbers he put up in that series. 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:47.040 Dog. 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:47.840 Yeah. 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.760 And when Tumbo was talking about don't double, all right, 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:55.159 they stopped doubling. This is why they doubled him a Tumbo, Hi, Hi, 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.000 how you want to hook crossover played away off the 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.040 glass like Dumbo. Yeah, you need to come you have 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.080 it your way, stopped playing. 0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:07.439 Bro and blocking everything. He playing offside on me and 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.600 on the ball on me. Like now he did his 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.240 thing and they had to double Yeah. 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:15.639 What happened? 0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:20.120 That's that's swing swing Stack? What's Stack doing that game? 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:21.679 Serious? 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:23.800 I'm saying it went six? What I'm saying it went six? 0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.520 He that played well was raining? 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.960 Yeah, we have a maxisions what I'm saying. No, but 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.400 I didn't listen ye but one No, but one thing 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:37.400 for show. Two things for certain. When employees six was guardening, 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:40.960 there was no double teams. It wasn't no double team 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.280 what I'm saying, Like he might have scored it all. 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:45.959 He did his thing. But you can go ask that 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:50.639 man to date did he had to work for each in, 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.920 every one of them, know what I'm saying, Like I 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:57.840 figured out how to guard people because having to guard 0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:01.720 him mm hmm. The problem where to meet him and 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.439 force him to where I want him to go, instead 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:06.280 of letting him walk me straight down the lane to 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.320 catch the ball he wanted to and not letting him 0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:11.880 shoot them. He never shot that bank shot on me, ever, 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:13.560 I wouldn't allow. 0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:14.000 It was on him. 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.440 Yeah, I'm a crowded, you know what I'm saying, So 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.399 therefore I'm gonna take something away. You're gonna have to 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:21.840 do something else, Like that's the one you can get 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:23.840 to make him do something. You got to make him 0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.160 do something else. So therefore, no, he was like, shout 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:27.760 out to him. What I'm saying, He made me better? 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.000 What made him made me? In that series? 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:34.240 Though he welcomed the double team, he waited on me. 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:36.280 He waited, he waited. 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.359 Yeah, no, no, he he made me a better basketball 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.200 player and a better defender, him and a couple of guys, 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:44.280 but him was definitely. 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:46.240 Let me ask you this. 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.560 So we was hearing the same thing because me and 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:50.479 you was together up damn after every game. So we 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.040 was hearing the same things about Jay Kid possibly coming 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:54.800 to San Antonia. What was you thinking about that when 0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:55.560 you was hearing that too? 0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:00.280 I ain't think nothing of it, to be honest, saying, 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.760 I know they had and all that. 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.360 I was just I didn't if you were the winning win, 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.080 I was hoping they was getting rid of Tony. 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.159 Yeah, like if you win, you win. You know what 0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:11.840 I'm saying, Yeah, like now you would have changed everything. 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:14.359 You know what I'm saying, of course, but please, but 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.159 history has You know what I'm saying, he stayed and 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.160 then they got rid of me, so m they would 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.360 pay me and it still didn't work. Yeah what I'm saying, 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.359 the didn't want to pay me, so they had. 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:25.080 Yeah, they made some bad moves. 0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:27.119 Welcome to the Show Byron Scott. 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:31.919 So that off season Marbury for j Kid and then 0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:36.280 fast forward the two thousand and three finals Nets versus Spurs, 0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:40.360 Young stacky versus old team. What's going through your head 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.160 as because like I said, you on your young bullshit, 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.080 So it's it's all payback in your mind. 0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:50.040 But let me say this, even though it was it 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.760 was two years because the first year I was on 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.560 injured list when I left, and the second third year 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.800 I played in two thousand and three, so I had 0:28:57.840 --> 0:28:59.280 a left I had a left time to grow in 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:00.640 that San Antonio Spur system. 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:02.640 For two years. I was learning how to be a professional. 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.760 I was around Steve Smith, I was going to church 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.040 with David Robinson, so I was starting I was starting 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:08.520 to grow up a little bit. So that's how I 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.360 ended up being in the starting lineup. I was learning 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:12.320 how to be a professional. So I just wanted to 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:14.720 just play. Well, you know what, I'm saying, yes, your 0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.600 old team, but I just wanted to play. Well, you 0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:18.160 know what I'm saying, that's all I was focused on. 0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:22.160 So and your that's your third year coaching, third year coaching, 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.640 you find yourself in the NBA finals, Like, what's going 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:26.760 are you? 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.360 When I wrote back to back to back? Yeah, we went, 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:31.800 We went San Antonio doing with the Lakers. 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.760 So you as a player, you've experienced that as a player. 0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.000 Now your experience is from a coaches point of view, 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.760 like what what's your mindset and what's your preparation and thinking? 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:41.160 Like in the finals. 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.800 Well, you know what, It's funny because I think the 0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:45.720 first finals we got. 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.640 To was the Lakers, and that was ugly. It was ugly. 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:49.880 Man. 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.080 We had Jack, you know, we had no answer with Shock. 0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:53.480 Yeah. 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.800 Yeah, you know, we had guys that could guard Kobe. 0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.200 They can't stop Kobe, yeah, but they could make it 0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.400 tough on Kobe and you know he's still gonna get 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:01.200 twenty five thirty. 0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:03.160 Yeah. 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:05.120 I was like, nah, just look at that. 0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.880 I was like this and I was at the crib. 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:08.960 He dunked on the whole team. 0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:10.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:15.920 The shack man Man, Shack Shack was so dominant. It 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.680 was unbelievable. So I knew he was in trouble because 0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:21.320 I told I told the team, you know, before the game, 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:22.880 I said, this is this is something that you guys 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:26.360 have never experienced. So when we come out, make sure 0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:28.959 you're focused on the game, you know, because we had 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.200 the Staples Center, right, So the guys come out, be 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.880 and my coaching staff. We walk out about the three 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.719 minute mark instead of two minute mark. And I'm standing 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.520 there and I'm watching our guys warm up, and I'm going, man. 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:42.360 Were about to get the ship beat out of us? 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.920 Because they were like looking around deer head, like, man, you. 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:49.080 Know that, yes, we about to get the ship beat 0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.640 out of us, right, And they went up about twenty 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:52.640 five so fast. 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:53.360 You know. 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:55.640 For the rest of the game. We played even but yo, 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:58.200 they swept us in that series. But we we we 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:00.800 really played well for three cores the street and half quarter. 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:01.520 We just couldn't. 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.240 We had nothing for Shack, you know, and when you know, 0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:06.280 you guys both know when he come ready to play, 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.480 there's nothing you can do. We double team d we 0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:12.000 triple team d uh. And it was just nothing we 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:13.720 could do. And we just we were just out man. 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.680 They just had a much better basketball team. But it 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:19.520 was it was great for me to be able to 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.240 take a team back to la where I'm from and 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:25.240 to be in the finals, you know what I'm saying 0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:25.840 as a coach. 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.480 So that was a very proud moment for me. 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:30.520 And then the following year, you find yourself right back 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.120 in the finals. Now you're against Tim Duncan and the Spurs. 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:37.680 Against Jack and the Dunk and Tim Duncan and those guys. Yeah, 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:42.000 he was on the mission. Unbelievable season. You know, probably 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.160 should have got m VP, to be honest with you, 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:45.920 him and Tim was right there. Him and Tim was 0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:48.480 right there, and we gave him a fight, you know, 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:50.800 but they were there again. You know when you got 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:54.040 your Jack and Genoblee, you know their their wing players 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.640 were so good. You know, Tony Park was that Robinsons 0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.720 last year, and then you got Tim Duncan. He was 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:04.120 like out, Yeah, we just I mean again, you could 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:06.200 you could guard certain guys, you can't stop him. You 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.520 can make it hard on as we tried to do. 0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.720 But you know, San Antonio was such a great team, 0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:13.959 so we knew, you know, there was four to two 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.520 in that series and Pop who I got so much 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.240 respect for coach, you know, just unbelievable coach. 0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:20.320 You know, he is one of. 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.440 Those coaches that still to this day is still old 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:27.120 school in his mentality as far as discipline, doing shit 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:29.600 the right way, and if you don't, you sit down. 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:30.640 That's what I tell him. 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:32.000 I say, Pop is more of a coach, He's more 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:34.840 like a leader because he leads the whole organization into 0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.040 even if the team is not good enough, you come 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.800 into that season believing you can, you win in the championship. 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:41.960 It's just that, just to feel around the whole organization. 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:46.040 And he started that right Rip Hamilton, Welcome to the 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.840 show Man. He obviously talked about your team, how you 0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:52.440 guys are perfectly constructed. You guys run into a great 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.080 Laker team where many teams didn't give you a shot, 0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.160 and you're playing against you know, one of your high 0:32:58.200 --> 0:32:59.760 school How many people can say they played like one 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.960 of their best friend from high school in the finals 0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:04.400 and then beat him. 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:05.640 You know what I mean. 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.360 Talk to us a little bit about that was because, 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:08.960 like I said, I don't think many people gave you 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.920 guys a chance because of Shaq and Kobe's dynamic. But 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:13.680 you guys just had a deeper, better team. 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:14.280 Man. 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.720 You know what it was, like I said, it was you. 0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.240 We were built on against all odds, like my man 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:23.200 Tupac said, right, you know, we felt like we were misfits. 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.560 You know, we felt like teams gave up on us 0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:29.640 too early. My situation in Washington, Chauncey situation him, you know, 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.080 being on a few teams before he got there, Tay 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.720 Shawn being a number twenty second pick at that time 0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:36.120 when he felt like he should have been the top 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:39.480 fifteen pick. Ben Wallace being moved all around, you know, 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:43.720 him not being respected Rashid you know, you going through 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.239 the stuff that he went through in Portland. So we 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.680 felt like we felt like man like, to be honest, 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.880 we were the better team, you know, but going against La, 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.280 like I said, going against Shaq and Cole probably the 0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:00.480 best one two punch of our air pretty much. 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:00.920 Yeah. 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.040 And and Cole from the from the standpoint of me 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.840 knowing him as a kid, always been a killer. So 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.880 I know that he's gonna come ready, right, So I 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:14.680 can always remember, like h going to to Ben and 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.520 Chauncey and she and and Tay, and I used to 0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.120 tell him like yo, man, this dude been. He beat 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.080 me for a state championship in high school because that 0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:24.000 was our thing. It was always a back and forth thing. 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.839 You know, who would get the upper hand? Uh he 0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:28.560 won there, he he won, he got. He won the 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.040 state championship that year. So when I went a national 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:35.040 championship in college, I called him and was like, yo, bro, 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.080 you can have that high school championship. 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:40.239 That shit don't mean nothing. I got a college. I 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:40.880 got to college. 0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.080 He was like, real, man, in two years, I'm gonna 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:45.359 have two NBA championships. 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:46.120 I'm like, yeah right. 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:48.600 He was like, trust me, two years, I'm gonna have 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:52.160 two of them. So that you know me, that back 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.600 and forth was was us since kids. 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.600 So he was like, man, you don't want to no. 0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.680 So when we got there on that stage and knowing 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.040 the history of us going back and forth and always 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.879 competing against each other, I'm looking at Chauncey and I'm like, bro, 0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.760 I can't let this dude beat me again. Hell nah, 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.200 Like like I fuck that. You know what I'm saying, Like, 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.600 I can't live with myself if he beats me on 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:19.200 the highest stage, Like, bro, y'all dudes have to have 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.560 my back. And I can remember being saying to myself, bro, 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:23.560 what you're talking about? 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:24.520 Rip shit? 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:29.080 I got shock, Like he said, all this stuff, I 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:30.680 gotta and. 0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:32.919 I got to guard him head up, I said, Bro, 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.479 I get it, I get it, but I can't leave 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:39.479 this game, this series with with with allowed this dude 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.040 to beat me. So you know, it was fun man, 0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.759 Like I said, confidence wise, we believe that we can 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:46.600 beat them, you know, but we know it was gonna 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.440 be an uphill, uphill battle, just knowing that the roster 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.399 they had up they had set up with Gary Payton 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:55.160 and Karl Malone on that team also, but uh, we 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:55.560 just fell. 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:56.680 Pelsog was our year. 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.479 We got our big bro on the show today, coach 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.280 of the Portland trail Blazers, big Shot Billips. 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:06.120 Detroit has a number two pick. You got a chance 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.239 to get Carmelo Anthony. We talked to him about this shit, 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.480 and he his whole energy changed the thought of what 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:14.600 would have happened if I would have got drafted by Detroit. 0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.439 You guys take Darko. Obviously took a chance. Didn't work, 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.040 but you guys had a hell of a team. But 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:25.680 imagine that team with Carmelo Anthony. Oh my goodness, man, 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.040 what was your guys initial thought process? Though when it happened, 0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:30.680 we all thought we was taking Mellow. Okay, we all 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:32.719 was on deck. We was always on board. We all 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:37.760 thought Mellows, Mellow, Mellow. We excited. It was perfect. Obviously 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:39.920 we had a team. We took Tayshawn the year before, 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.120 but tay would have been could have put him in 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:45.719 perfect six man Swiss, he would do whatever, you know, 0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.640 So I thought we was perfectly built to have Melo. 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.320 So what your starting lineup would have been if Mellow 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:54.960 would have came. 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:56.680 Mellow would have been at the three. 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:02.640 Obviously ripped myself being we didn't have shed at the 0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:06.839 time that later season, yeah, during them by the end 0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.040 of the season, So it would have been she been Mellow, 0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.080 you and Rip with Tayshawn coming off the bench doing everything. 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:14.680 It would have been crazy. Here's the here's the interesting question. 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:19.799 I say this all the time. So if we do 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:25.160 get Mellow, when was Bron gonna ever takeover? 0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:30.880 Because people forget Mellow was neck and neck with Bron rookie. 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:32.759 A hell of a rookie season. But now we're in 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:33.560 the same division. 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:35.400 But he has you, you have a he has a 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:36.960 way better support system with y'all. 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:40.520 That's what I'm saying now. Now he gonna get raised 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:44.600 right in the game, his whole five times, his whole 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:48.160 directory of his career changes every narrative on him, his legacy. 0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:50.920 So I'm saying, bron is Broun and we all know 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:56.359 he's incredible on Mount Rushmore, But when was he ever 0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:00.160 gonna beat and be better than y'all with Melow? You 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.080 know what I'm saying, Like it's it's a it's an 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:05.239 interesting question, yeah, Marry, but yeah, we all thought we was. 0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.359 We all thought it was Mellow was taking Mellow. 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:10.040 Damn who was the gym at the time, Joe du 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:16.440 marsh Damn, Joe d d Yeah. 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:17.480 Yes, tricky plays fuck up. 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.120 I guess go ahead, Jack, two thousand and four Finals, 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:22.640 the whole world say, y'all didn't have a shot. 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.120 No, y'all wasn't thinking that? What was that? What was 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:25.879 your train of thought? 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.319 We're here, it's funny, man, but we thought they didn't 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:33.239 have a shot, like for real though. It's not even 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:36.200 nothing cocky though, Like we was just we felt like 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.440 the way that they played and the way that we played, 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.759 we was a team dog like we knew that we 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:45.759 can't stop Cold, we can't stop shot them. They the 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:49.000 best two players in the whole series. But our game 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:54.319 plan was gonna be thorough, and we knew that they 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:57.479 couldn't stop picking rolls with me and they can't stop 0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.880 ripping pen downs. So we knew that we had to 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.279 things that know way that they could stop it. We 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.480 can get a good shot anytime, and we knew we 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:07.640 was just gonna trap the hell out of Cold and 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:09.279 we was gonna play shocked straight up and try to 0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:11.800 stay out of foul trouble. We was gonna be fine. 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.000 I really really felt like there was no way that 0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:16.040 they could beat us in the series. I said it 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.520 and told my wife that before the series. She laughed 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:18.759 at me. 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:19.720 Damn. 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:24.279 She even laughed at me like, man, what, yeah, it's funny, we. 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.480 Can d Ham was sitting here earlier today and he 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.040 just said he felt like something was off with them, 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.759 a little bit between their big fit. They're big two, 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.160 and you guys seen it and just went to work 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:34.480 on it. 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:38.200 Yeah, we played into that, like for instance, like I'm 0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:40.160 sitting there like, we know that we could beat them. 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.680 It wasn't a talent thing. We didn't have the best 0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:47.000 talent in the series. We had the best team and 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:49.640 we did play on that. You know, at that time, 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:54.960 Cole had won finals MVP. It's always been Shocked. We 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.680 knew they had their little thing and we really played 0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:00.480 into that. You know, we really did. Like we we 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.160 trapped Cold. Cod was really frustrated with us trapping him. 0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:07.120 We played shocked man the man shot getting thirty five 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:10.799 and eighteen. But we're keeping them on the floor because 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.960 we going at you know what I'm saying, Like our 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:16.960 game plan was really good. It played to theay Psyche. 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:21.919 They didn't really let GP or Karl malon. They didn't 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:23.760 throw them the ball, they didn't let them do nothing. 0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:25.799 You know what I mean. You know how the triangle was, 0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:29.479 so we had to worry about Cold, worry about Shock 0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:33.080 everybody else. We just stay close. They didn't have no freedom. 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.240 We just had too many weapons. We had too many weapons, 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:40.239 and we just had we played faster. We was just 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:41.439 a better basketball team. 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.080 You have a twenty one to five shot forty seven 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.400 from three and won to fin his MVP big shot, 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.160 she said, his whole life flash when the buzzer sounded. 0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.080 Talk about that, knowing you a champion. 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:59.680 Yeah, yeah, that was obviously my shining moment in my career. 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:03.720 She will say the same, Ripishitus. Everybody will say the same, 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.600 because that's how we played for, you know, for the win. 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.200 You know, that's how I grew up in the game. 0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:14.000 Is you talk about going against other guys and competing 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.880 against other guys and all those names you listed. The 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.800 only thing as a point guard that matters is winning, right, 0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:25.280 So if I win, say you got twenty eight and twelve, 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:30.839 I got eighteen and eleven, but I won. I want 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.719 to match up. That's how I'm built though, you know 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.560 what I mean. So, like, all I cared about was winning, 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.320 and I always felt like I could lead. I always 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.360 felt like I could be a great player, and so 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:46.560 in that moment, I validated that for not only for myself, 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:50.040 for everybody. So it was it was my shinning It 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.440 was my shinning moment. It was the best moment. You know, 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.640 my best sports moment in my life is being able 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:57.680 to win it. I didn't even care about the finals MVP. 0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:00.360 I wasn't gunning for that. I just want to be aampion. 0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:02.920 I wasn't gonna for that at all. I didn't care 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.919 about that I wanted to be a No, I didn't. 0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:07.800 I didn't care about that. I want to be a champion. 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.200 So that was the That was the best feeling in 0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:11.520 the world. 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.799 It was. It was the greatest, she say. 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:16.799 They stayed up and ring the dawn there all night, 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.160 back and forth all night, all night. 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:23.520 I still didn't drink. You know what's crazy is I 0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.840 told the funniest thing I told. I promised she that 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.840 I would smoke with them, yeah if we won. And 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:31.600 I promised Ben and them that I drink. 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:32.479 Didn't do either. 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:37.200 So we won, right, I was like, I ain't doing 0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:39.520 it because you know why, I don't want to forget 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.760 about nothing that happened tonight. You know what I'm saying, 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:44.279 I don't want to be too. I don't want to 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:48.880 be nothing somber. From until the next morning, was just 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:54.040 straight adrenaline, going hard, wat watching everybody be crazy, laughing 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:54.759 at everybody. 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:59.920 Yeah, that's crazy. Everyone welcome Kevin Garnett one and all. 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:07.719 You were able to help bring back the Celtics Laker rivalry. 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.640 You guys met in the finals. You guys got one, 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:12.319 they got one. Tell me what it was like going 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.799 against Shaq and Kobe with your squad before I got 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.880 to Boston. Now would battle the Lakers. It was always 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:20.880 the premier game. It was nothing less. 0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:27.239 Playing shack was always entertaining, It was always hierarchy was 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:32.120 always it was always the pinnacle. Uh Cobe and I 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.279 knew each other. Shaq and I would befriend each other 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:38.560 and become friends later, but the match ups was always 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:42.320 high end. There was always electric. I was always felt 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.120 like I was under man So when I had perk, 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:48.320 who would who battle? Who would battle anybody and don't. 0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:49.120 Care about anything. 0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:53.600 Right, Shaq was in Cleveland as we was making our 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:55.600 runs and stuff, so I felt like this is a 0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:58.560 great time to have redemption on that whole COVID shack 0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.200 thing in the West. I felt like this was redemption 0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:04.640 and now you know, they was kind of separated, so 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:06.480 that when I when I actually went up against both 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.400 of those guys, it felt like a payback for me. 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:15.000 But that ship won less than one, less than magical, 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:18.440 like epic, like not a lot of ship talking out here, 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.200 but it's a lot of buckets, it's a lot of 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:22.080 a lot of tapping, it's a. 0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:23.560 Lot of you know, it's a lot of. 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.000 You better get over here, like yeah, you know. 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.600 What I'm saying, And there's a bunch of it now. 0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:33.120 I ain't no switching. And it was win both ways. 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:35.439 Even though the big fellow was big and he knew 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.080 he was a house I told him when he came 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.359 out to Cleveland and I and the doctor was like, Yo, 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:42.040 I need you to guard a shock for like two minutes. 0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:45.360 I was like, holy shit, guarding shack is like holding 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.919 up the side of a house shaw. I was trying 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:50.040 to see a wall in here, see a face of wall. 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:53.319 I can't even describe it. But I played Shock for 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:55.680 two minutes and couldn't give nobody no high five. I 0:44:55.760 --> 0:45:00.600 was just like, arms was so tired, y'all. 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:01.880 I couldn't. I couldn't. 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:04.000 Like if you slapped me, I would have to be like, yo, 0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:06.200 you know what I'm saying. I couldn't even go. I 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:10.080 couldn't even protect myself. But playing those two brought the 0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:13.319 best out of you every time you played them. Every 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.080 time you played COVID was nothing shy or nothing, nothing 0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:20.400 less than the electric And it was all about wins. 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:22.000 It was all about wins and rings. 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:24.279 And when I got to Boston, it was just it 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.959 was just just different times. But I've always enjoyed playing 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.879 against those guys. There was always a challenge to play 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:32.880 those guys, and it was always hard to get a 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:33.480 win on them. 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:35.960 You know what I'm saying straight up? 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.960 So a Hall of Fame career, I mean, you'll be 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.640 going inducted at twenty twenty. I mean, tell me what 0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.120 that kid from South Carolina that came up the way 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:46.319 you came up Mom's working graveyard, you having to do 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:49.160 what you have to do to everything. Twenty five years 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:50.759 later you could be inbducted to the Hall of Fame. 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:51.600 Tell me what that feels like. 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:53.799 I never thought that. I never really I never really 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:55.680 cite my I really never put that on the goal, 0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.279 never put that on the paper. It was all about 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.960 busting these guys they asked right here, crossing their name out. 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.920 It was always about being the best in this right here, 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:06.480 and putting your name at the top and that and 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:10.080 that and that was it. I never really imagine taking 0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:12.560 this and being global. Never had a vision of that. 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:13.400 I just wanted. 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.319 To be able to have a list of motherfuckers that 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:16.960 you thought was better than me, and I wanted to 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:18.239 bust all the ass. 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:19.120 And that was it. 0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:23.080 Co too, We talked a little kill list. 0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:23.680 What you're doing. 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.560 Ain't got no vision who you chasing, who you being? 0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:28.879 Who the king in the mountain? Like right, that's what 0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:31.799 That's what competition is, Joe. It's about who's on king 0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:33.920 in the mountain, who's on top, and how and how 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.200 you can take him off that or her, you know 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.800 what I'm saying, like straight up. And then that's polishing 0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:41.560 your tools and at the same time pushing it. You know, 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.360 you got to push this line of creativity, got to 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.200 push the lines of competition. Gott to push this line 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:50.200 of originality, you know, like for me, that that's everything. 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:53.880 Welcome man, Rajon Rondou. What was it like? 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.200 You know, as I mentioned at the top of the show, 0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:00.640 you won a championship for the Boston Celtics. You want 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:02.839 a championship for the Los Angeles Lakers. Has it kind 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:03.600 of sunk in? 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:04.640 Yet? 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.640 Obviously you still have more time And until I finished, 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.840 I didn't really kind of look back at anything I 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.120 had done. But has it kind of sunk in that 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:14.400 you want a championship for the two greatest franchises in 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:15.200 the sports history. 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:18.439 It's definitely sunk in, but you know it's still being 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:20.640 active right now. It's you know, my main focus is 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:23.640 obviously now going into the season so quickly, is. 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:25.880 The Hawks and helping us grow as much as possible. 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:28.160 But you know, I see it. 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:31.000 I hear it every day, understanding of what I've accomplished, 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:33.080 but it still hasn't really hit it sunk in for 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.239 the most part. But I'm definitely aware and grateful with 0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:37.879 the opportunity to be able to just play this game 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.440 for so long and one or two more story franchise 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:41.000 in history. 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.200 It's definitely a blessing to do what I did in 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:45.080 my career so far. 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.759 What has it been like, you know, just just being 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:49.960 you know, being a champion again, Like you know, I 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:52.520 got a chance to experience mag got a chance to experience. 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.120 But being able to be back at the tip, being 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.440 at the mountain top twice, you know, how does that 0:47:57.480 --> 0:47:58.840 feel the second go around? 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:00.279 For me? 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:02.640 It's even better? You know you obviously guys, you saw it. 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:06.360 It's a crazy quick story. When I won back in 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.800 Oh wait E House Son Eddie House, Sun was always 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:13.200 on the sidelines in a round, and you know, I 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:14.920 was like, damn, that'd be dope, you know what I mean, 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:16.839 Like if I had the opportunity to do the same thing, 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:19.120 you know what I mean. So I wanted to, you know, 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:21.680 I want the kids earlier I had kids. My son 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.320 is nine now, and you know, for him to be 0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:26.400 able to become experienced in the bubble let alone. We 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:28.000 wanted back last year when I hit the game, when 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:29.799 I shot against the Celtics, he was there, you know, 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:31.840 on the floor. So you know, for him to be 0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:34.680 able to experience that, you know, full circle like the manifested, 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:35.840 you know, nine. 0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:38.799 Ten years later or twelve years later. Uh, you know, 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:39.920 to come full circle. 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.160 It was definitely a surreal moment to be able to 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.520 have been there with me celebrating my second championship, So 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.759 winning one at twenty twenty one now thirty four. You know, 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:51.640 it's a big difference, you know, like I said, just 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.000 having people around me that I love, being able to 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:56.920 witness an experience that as well with me. So it's 0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:58.640 been a hell of a run. You know, leaving the 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:02.960 bubble was it is, is what it is. But after leaving, 0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:05.000 you know, I enjoyed myself in a nice vacation. We 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:07.640 celebrated with the team, We kicked it with you know, 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:09.440 a couple of days and a couple of different cities 0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:11.160 and just enjoying life every moment. 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:15.279 You gotta you gotta blow that picture up though, with 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:18.239 you and your son on the court, that has to be. Yeah. 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:20.799 And if you ever decided to drop an hour, if you. 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.960 Ever drop a little like like like me did. 0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:26.640 A little quarantine, packed up songs, that gotta be. 0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:27.399 The cover that got. 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:31.360 Yeah, that was was a beautiful picture. It's funny you 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:33.400 said that because that was my best experience. Obviously I 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:35.480 got hurt going into the playoffs and and and and 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:37.520 didn't play as much obviously as I'd want to, and 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:39.799 when I won a championship, but the best thing was 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:42.239 that the twins were there, so you know, Steve Kurr, 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.520 let them fly on the plane, go to practice with us, 0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:46.799 be in the hotels, be in the locker room, be 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.160 on the sideline, and when we had an opportunity to 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:51.000 win it, these two little dudes are up next to 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.359 Stephan Clay trying to hold the championship trophy and trying 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:55.520 to get the m v P trophy from from from 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:57.480 KD you know what I mean. So that was the 0:49:57.480 --> 0:49:59.440 best moment. That's still when I talk about it, what 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:02.080 gives me it was about it is because that's something 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.600 you can't pay for, that's something you can Unless you're 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.040 in the moment, you'll never understand what it means to 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:09.440 that kid's And a little side note, I think a 0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:11.799 great thing. He's your son at the same age the 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:13.680 twins were when we won it, and I got them 0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:16.680 championship rings for Christmas and they lost their minds, so I. 0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:19.160 Know they may. They may replica little rings too. If 0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:21.480 you need an idea for a Christmas President, just want 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:22.239 to throw that out there. 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.760 Welcome JJ Reddick your three. You guys run into Lebron. 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:31.759 You guys knock out the Celtics minus KG, knock out 0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:34.840 the reigning MVP Lebron James, and face Kobe and the 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:37.440 Lakers in the finals. What was that like being on 0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.719 that stage and only your thirty year removed from college, Man. 0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:42.880 Of the some of the best memories of my career, 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.759 to be honest with you, and and that playoff run 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:49.360 was really the turning point in my career because I 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:52.080 came out of college with a lot of confidence and 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:54.640 I got punched in the mouth my first two years. 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.239 I really got punched in the mouth and to the 0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:00.719 point where you know that summer between my second and 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:04.440 third year, I had to like reshape my body. I 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:07.320 had to I had to basically redo my my sophomore 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:09.120 in to junior year back at Duke all over again. 0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:12.319 And at that point, it was about survival and it 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:16.399 was about sticking in the league. And I remember having 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:18.600 conversations with my agent that summer like what would what 0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:20.000 would be options in Europe? 0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:24.799 Like how does how do how does it work in Russia? 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:31.080 So that playoff run, you know, I was finally like 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.480 a rotation player, but there were still some nights where. 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:37.600 I got those d NP coaches decisions, you know, and 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:38.600 and that playoff run. 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:43.120 Courtney lee Uh broke his face in Game five against 0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:45.799 Philly in the first round. So I started Game six, 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:48.720 which is was a closeout game in Philly on the road, 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:53.360 and I hit five threes, played really well. Then I 0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:56.120 started the whole Boston series. I guarded ray Allen the 0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:57.680 whole series and. 0:51:57.680 --> 0:51:59.240 Then got to you know, we beat Cleveland. 0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:02.120 I got to play against Kobe in the finals, So 0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:04.640 you know that that to me gave me all the 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:08.320 confidence like I belonged in the NBA. And I remember 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:13.880 distinctly like feeling in the Boston Series, like okay, like 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.800 this is it, Like this is what I've been after 0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:20.080 for three years. You know, We're in Boston and KG 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:23.640 was hurt and he's fucking screaming at me the whole game, 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:27.880 you know, just obscenities from the bench, and I'm like, 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:29.080 this is what I want. 0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:30.160 This is what I want. 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:33.560 You all the way over there on the other bench, 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:35.919 you know, and a souon like I was for most 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:39.319 of my first two years. So that playoff run was 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:43.080 was life changing for me. And truthfully, like we all 0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.080 have Kobe stories, and I have, I have a couple, 0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:49.080 like more personal ones, but I'm like eighty, hopefully I'm 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:50.600 still a live. But when I'm like eighty, I'm gonna 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:54.680 tell my grandkids like I guarded Kobe Bryant in the 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.799 NBA Finals and yes he got the best of me, 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:00.880 but I had some stop I had some stops. 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:05.440 Check now are you counting stuffs? When when when he 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:07.480 passed the ball or you actually stopped him? 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:12.600 Come on, man, come on, man, don't do that. 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:16.640 So the following year, you guys, you guys, battle LA 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:19.800 falls short to l A. The next season, myself and 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:23.040 Vince come we have a you know, a great season. 0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:26.040 You play all eighty two games. You know, you were 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:30.759 one of our consistent guys night in night out. I've 0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:33.160 always kind of had a feeling of what happened, because 0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:35.000 you remember, if you remember j j As when we 0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.880 beat this ship out of Jack and Charlotte. We swept 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:39.520 him and beat him by like thirty a game. And 0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:41.359 although Jack had a couple games where you got some points, 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:47.879 we just Beau out of his team, beat the breaks off, 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:51.239 and then we destroyed Atlanta and then correct me if 0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:51.680 I'm wrong. 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:52.440 It didn't. 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:54.959 We go into the West Eastern Conference finals and Stan 0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:56.120 was on some ship like that. 0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:56.759 You know, this is a. 0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:59.360 Very you know, veteran driven team. We're gonna have to 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:02.480 switch a little bit the offense something completely fucking give 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:04.400 our offense the facelift or am I was I just 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:05.600 smoking too much weed back then? 0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:08.879 I think you've always been smoking too much weed. 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:16.120 First of all, Game four of the Charlotte series, we're 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:20.239 up three to oh keep in mind, and it's like 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:24.279 the second quarter and Jack makes a three and he's like, 0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:25.560 I'm still here. 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:27.400 I'm still fucking here. 0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:29.359 Going back down the court, I'm like, man, you're asked 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:35.640 about to get swept. Man, shut up, Jack, Come on, man, 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:37.400 you guys had no chance anyway. 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:44.560 Anyway, He's right, right, so right, I. 0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:45.080 Thought, Matt. 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.920 I thought twenty ten truthfully was the best team that 0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:50.959 should that was the best team I played on the NBA. 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:52.120 Even though we made the finals of No. 0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:54.279 Nine, our twenty ten team was the best team I 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:54.640 played on. 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:57.440 Loaded man, most games up won in the NBA. 0:54:57.680 --> 0:54:59.440 We had a stretch where we were thirty three and 0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:01.040 eight to end the season, and then we went eight 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:02.400 to zero in the playoffs. So we're going to that 0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:05.680 Boston series on a forty one and eight run. 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:11.800 Beating the shit out of people. And I think, as. 0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:16.760 Often times happened with really really smart coaches and really 0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:21.400 detail oriented coaches is that they can get ahead of themselves. 0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:25.839 So they it was almost like Stan adjusted before the four. 0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:28.120 It needed to be made before we had to because 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.759 then we beat up We in the season series. We 0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:32.600 beat them three to one, right if I'm not mistaken, 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:34.600 And we played well against. 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:36.600 Them, and so they you know it was you know, 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:39.960 Timms was the defensive coordinator. It was all that strong 0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:42.840 side stuff, guy at the nail, weakside, pulling all the 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:46.279 way over and Stan just felt like it wasn't in 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:48.640 our best interest to run like a steady diet of 0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:49.760 high pick and rolls. 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:52.839 So it was what we honested, like motion, but it was. 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:55.839 Just more like side to side stuff and looking back, 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:58.400 like that's how everybody plays now. But it was like 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.839 an adjustment on the fly that we had to make, 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.759 and it just, you know, I don't necessarily think that 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:08.319 it fit all of our personnel, if that makes sense. 0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:10.440 Like for me, it was great because I was like, oh, 0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:12.040 I don't want to get in a wrestling match with 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:14.600 Tony Allen, you know, in a half court setting, but 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.080 if you get me on the move and the balls movement, okay, 0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:18.919 now I can attack a club and make a play. 0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:22.440 So it was a great series for me, but I 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:24.440 think for a lot of our guys, we hadn't played 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:25.399 that way the whole year. 0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:27.520 So we get down three to zero, we win a couple. 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.080 Of games, and then we lose in game six, and 0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:33.160 you know, Matt, I mean, I know you ended up 0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:38.080 winning one in Golden State, but it's like, you know, 0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:41.239 for me, I didn't realize that was going to be 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:43.640 my like, you know, ten years later, that was my 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.480 last chance real chance that I've had. 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:49.680 You know, I'm under the assumption, like, oh, no, we'll 0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:51.560 be back next year. We had I think we had 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:53.000 the best team in the league this year. We'll be 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:53.640 back next year. 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:56.880 And then Lebron and Chris Bosh and d Wade go 0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:00.120 to Miami and then as they're transitioning out, all of 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:02.680 a sudden, the Warriors come along. And so it's like 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:05.920 those two years in Orlando where we had a legit 0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:07.160 chance to win, like that was. 0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:10.640 That window closed? That window it close fast, coach, and 0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:11.760 closed really fast. 0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:12.279 You know that. 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:14.920 I always say that was one of the most talented teams. 0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:18.640 We had a legit ten guys that were ready to 0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:21.360 go to battle the war anytime we were too deep 0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:24.080 at every position. Stan was one of the best x 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.040 and Os coaches I ever had. But I always felt like, 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:27.840 and I remember when Shaq would say he would panic 0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:31.720 and get nervous, and I think you put it more elegantly. Obviously, 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:35.000 I think he overthought the situation we were adjusting before 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:37.520 we even got into the situation, you know. I mean, 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:39.520 we had success against them in the regular season, and 0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:43.680 we overthought our situation and uh. 0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:45.880 Yeah, you know what was out and say though like Stan, 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:49.600 like there's no there's no perfect coach. I think Stan 0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:52.200 probably had a bigger impact on my career than any 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:55.120 coach I've played for Doc as well, because Doc was 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:57.560 the first coach who who let me be, you know, 0:57:57.560 --> 0:57:59.560 who looked at me as a starter and gave me 0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:04.160 more of a role in an offense. But but Stan, 0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:06.360 you know, probably the best coaches I played for in 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:09.960 the NBA, you know, and and and I I hate that. 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:13.040 I hate that Shack had to say that about him, 0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:14.440 or you know that we have to sit here and 0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:17.600 talk about this, because I always did. I always felt 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:21.560 like in a playoff series, I felt like Stan was 0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:24.880 gonna get us a win, Like he was going he 0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:27.120 was gonna make an adjustment or come up with a 0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:29.680 game plan in game three or game four, or even 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:31.640 steal one in game one, like I'm gonna do this 0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:32.640 and they're not expecting it. 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:36.040 And and it worked a lot of the time. 0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:38.440 And he would always get us a game just because 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.080 you know, he was so prepared and he worked so hard, 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:45.080 he took such responsibility on what he could control, and 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:45.920 and he was. 0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:46.440 Great for that. 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:48.800 His attention to detail, I've know, second to none. As 0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:50.919 far as coaches, he was the Only thing I didn't 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:53.800 like about stan was our fucking taped tape shoot arounds 0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:57.040 with knee pads. I'm like, Damn, Stanley, can't cruise like 0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:59.960 we had real Like, Bro, we were taped with knee pad. 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:02.080 I didn't shoot around. It was unbelievable. 0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:04.360 Hey, JJ, what was Matt like as a teammate? 0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:08.160 I mean, that's just the same guy I'm talking to 0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:11.360 right now. You know, this is what I was talking 0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:14.040 earlier about your reputation. Like when people asked me, like, 0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:16.120 who are the best teammates you've had in your career, 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.640 I'm like, Matt Barnes is definitely one of them. He 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:22.000 was a great teammate. I think, you know, I saw 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:25.480 this in Orlando, but it was a different group when 0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:29.200 I got to La. The way that him and DJ 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:33.960 brought everybody together, Like if you were the fifteenth guy 0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:36.400 on that team, you felt like you were part of 0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:36.840 that team. 0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:37.240 It did. 0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:40.200 There was no there was no like status on the 0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:42.960 team plane or status in the locker room. Like they 0:59:43.040 --> 0:59:45.320 just had an amazing way of making every guy in 0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:49.080 that team feel feel special. And that was I mean, 0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:51.600 that was that's rare. Man that just doesn't happen a 0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:54.600 ton in the NBA. And truthfully, like that was a 0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:57.080 lesson that I learned, and I've taken that with me 0:59:57.160 --> 1:00:00.360 now as I've gotten older, and you know, it's done 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:03.840 the mentor thing like it's important to just involve everybody 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:06.800 because you know, we get so caught up throughout a season, 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:08.960 like about what's going on with me, what's going on 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:12.240 with me, I'm playing well, I'm playing bad, whatever, And 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:14.880 you got to keep in mind like there's there's three 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:17.960 or four guys every night that leave that arena. 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:21.360 Pissed, Yeah, pissed because they. 1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:23.479 Didn't play, or they were they were in a suit, 1:00:24.280 --> 1:00:26.840 or you know, they got their run in the first 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:28.640 half but didn't get their run in the second half. 1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:32.240 And so you know, doing the check in with those guys, 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:35.120 man is important, and I think DJ and Matt were 1:00:35.120 --> 1:00:36.600 always were always great about that. 1:00:38.480 --> 1:00:41.480 Coming to you from Dallas, set the tone with with 1:00:41.560 --> 1:00:44.720 the boss man, mister Mark Cuban, And now we got 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:45.800 one of the greatest to ever do it. 1:00:45.920 --> 1:00:46.080 Jack. 1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:48.240 You guys pushed me to be better a little bit 1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:50.160 with my back to the basket. You know that was 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:52.800 I mentioned it earlier. I always liked to face, select 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:55.040 to drive and then spend. It was just a little 1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:58.959 too predictable. So you know, I said, you'd have to add. 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:00.640 You have to add more to you game. You have 1:01:00.680 --> 1:01:03.800 to work hard the summer and be a better be 1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:06.800 a better leader and more complete players. So I got 1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:10.840 a lot more comfortable, you know, posting up then, and 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:13.640 even if it was free throw line or or down 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:16.080 the box, and I would never even still then I 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:16.520 would not. 1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:18.280 Out muscle you and get to the basket. 1:01:18.320 --> 1:01:21.400 But I was more comfortable there operating in that area 1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:25.960 and shooting over smaller guys, shooting fadeaways. And then one 1:01:26.040 --> 1:01:29.520 legger came and so I think, yeah, you guys forced 1:01:29.520 --> 1:01:33.280 me to get back in the lab and and get 1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:36.360 better and push and and I always say, without the 1:01:36.400 --> 1:01:38.840 disappointments in O six and O seven, I wouldn't have 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:41.640 been the closer and eleven, I think that's that's very true. 1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:43.720 You know, you have to go through tough times and 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:46.560 and and learn from from some tough mistakes and and 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:47.400 and get better. 1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:51.080 And so that was you guys pushed me to be 1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:51.880 to be better. 1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:54.760 So eight and ten, you guys are building you bringing 1:01:54.840 --> 1:01:59.200 Jason Kidd tricks Sean Mary and Pasia Karan who doesn't 1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:01.000 help you get down this front because he gets hurt, 1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:03.920 but with a big piece Rick Carlisle as well. What 1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:05.520 are all those pieces being to you? 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:09.600 So actually when we made I was like, okay, it 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:12.160 was seven, we still had the best team going to 1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:14.800 A eight. We lose to you guys, but we're we 1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:18.400 won sixty seven games, we're straight, we're good. And then 1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:20.720 the oait season started and stuff is just not going 1:02:20.760 --> 1:02:24.120 that well, and it actually shows don't take stuff for granted. Man, 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:27.440 Sometimes things can change in a heartbeat within one season. 1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:30.040 You know, all of a sudden, we're not right there anymore. 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:31.680 We're not with the best team. All of a sudden, 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:34.640 teams have passed us by. And then our window from 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:37.240 six and seven all of a sudden looked closed. And 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:40.440 so things were going well at all in the wait season, 1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:41.880 and then we. 1:02:41.800 --> 1:02:44.440 Did the trade at all set game for Jake Kidd. 1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:47.280 We felt like his leadership is is. 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:50.160 You know, like I mentioned earlier, weren't great passing, We 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:53.240 were on great great playmaking. We had some good scores 1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:56.840 at the guards, but not not getting everybody involved playmakers. 1:02:56.840 --> 1:02:59.480 And so we made the deal for j kid at 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:03.000 the All Set game and and that didn't pan out 1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:05.680 that way we wanted to at the beginning either. So 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:09.160 they're in O eight to ten. There was there were 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:12.760 a lot of changes. You know, we still had Avery 1:03:12.840 --> 1:03:16.240 when uh, when Jay Kidd first came, and then you know, 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:19.720 Carla took over, I believe in the eight or nine season. 1:03:20.960 --> 1:03:23.240 Then we did the big trade with with Washington to 1:03:23.360 --> 1:03:27.400 bring in Haywood d Steve who was crazy and uh 1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:31.760 and uh of course Karan and so they fit in well, 1:03:31.800 --> 1:03:34.400 and all of a sudden, you know, there the windows 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:35.000 open again. 1:03:35.120 --> 1:03:36.760 We felt like we had a good team. We had some. 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:41.760 Veterans and yeah, and going into that you know, ten 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:44.040 to eleven season, we felt like we had a good team. 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:46.720 I don't think we were necessarily favorites, but we felt 1:03:46.760 --> 1:03:48.440 like we had some veterans. 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:50.120 And we had a good start to the season. 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:54.080 And then I got hurt right around Christmas time, and 1:03:54.120 --> 1:03:56.680 then so I was out. I was hurt, and then 1:03:57.120 --> 1:04:00.280 New Year's Day, I'll never forget. We're in Milwaukee, that's 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:03.320 where Karan is from, and I'm sitting out in a 1:04:03.360 --> 1:04:05.680 suit because I'm not playing, and Karan goes up for 1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:08.360 a rebound and just screams and lays on the ground 1:04:08.400 --> 1:04:11.280 and I'm so, we're all rushing over there, and I 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:15.040 see literally he tore his patel attendant and his his 1:04:15.120 --> 1:04:19.040 kneecap had dislocated, so it sat it sat up top 1:04:19.080 --> 1:04:22.320 on his skigh. I'm like, I'm trying to dry heath. 1:04:22.440 --> 1:04:22.720 It was. 1:04:22.800 --> 1:04:25.280 It was nasty, and so our trainer was like, oh 1:04:25.280 --> 1:04:28.640 my god, we need wheelchair. Wheelchair And that was one 1:04:28.680 --> 1:04:30.480 of the toughest things I was saying. I mean, Kuran 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:34.760 is pretty tough. So he heard wheelchair and he's from Wisconsin. 1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:38.040 His grandmother was there, his family. He's like, I'm not 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:40.480 I'm not getting out of here in a wheelchair. 1:04:40.600 --> 1:04:41.920 So he's like I. 1:04:41.920 --> 1:04:46.560 Watched him push his kneecap down by himself, and he 1:04:46.680 --> 1:04:49.120 gets up and starts hoping. You know how in the 1:04:49.200 --> 1:04:53.440 old Milwaukee arena that was to go back to the 1:04:53.480 --> 1:04:56.320 locker room and he walked that on his own power. 1:04:56.360 --> 1:04:58.240 I said, this, this guy, this guy is. 1:04:58.200 --> 1:05:01.760 Built different and U but then you know, here we 1:05:01.800 --> 1:05:04.920 go again. We think in our our windows closing, you know, 1:05:05.400 --> 1:05:07.600 losing up. He was probably our second best scar. I 1:05:07.640 --> 1:05:09.840 think he was our second best scorer that year, and 1:05:09.920 --> 1:05:12.240 so we're like, oh god, here it goes again. Right, 1:05:12.240 --> 1:05:16.120 It's just a bunch of bad luck. And but I 1:05:16.160 --> 1:05:19.160 would say that he he motivated us, inspired us the 1:05:19.200 --> 1:05:23.560 way he wanted to come back and fought and attacked rehab. 1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:26.000 I mean he was almost ready to play in that 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:28.520 in that final series in eleven, I mean he was. 1:05:28.600 --> 1:05:29.400 He was a beast. 1:05:30.080 --> 1:05:33.520 And every day watching him, how he how he handled himself, 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:36.960 how he attacked that rehab, that that really motivated us, 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:39.959 and that that inspired us for that ten to eleven run. 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:47.400 Blazers Lakers, Okay see Miami twenty eight points. We gained 1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:54.640 forty nine percent field goal, forty six throw line gee Woolakers. 1:05:53.760 --> 1:05:58.000 Took down Kobe kat and Lebron. We call that as 1:05:58.040 --> 1:06:02.000 you know, on one, he was definitely on one. What 1:06:02.120 --> 1:06:03.040 mind frame will you win? 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:06.240 We had a good run, you know, I started, We 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:07.280 started against Portland. 1:06:07.320 --> 1:06:09.000 They they gave us some problems, you. 1:06:09.040 --> 1:06:12.320 Know that Mary b roy Still they had they had 1:06:12.320 --> 1:06:15.720 a good team, they were they were smart. Uh, And 1:06:15.760 --> 1:06:18.120 so we didn't play the well there. We almost lost 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:20.760 one at home, and I took us, we get took 1:06:20.800 --> 1:06:23.400 us well to get going. And then I felt like 1:06:24.880 --> 1:06:28.440 we lost both both games in Portland, and it was 1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:31.920 it was too too coming back here. And that's still 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:34.920 I remember to this day. I was like, we're not 1:06:34.960 --> 1:06:36.640 going to lose to them. We're not going to lose 1:06:36.680 --> 1:06:39.720 Game five on our home court. And I don't know 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:41.880 why I said that to I usually don't say much 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:44.160 in the team meetings and stuff. I'm a quiet guy. 1:06:44.320 --> 1:06:47.560 Let the coaches do their thing. But that day, I'm like, 1:06:47.600 --> 1:06:49.320 even in the pregame meeting, I was like, there, they're 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:49.960 not beating us. 1:06:50.000 --> 1:06:50.720 Where we got that. 1:06:50.840 --> 1:06:52.800 You know what they do your teammate to hear Dirk 1:06:52.880 --> 1:06:55.000 say that, you just in the back of the locker room. 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:57.880 Quill, No, they ain't beating us today. 1:06:58.120 --> 1:06:59.200 Yeah, everybody. 1:06:59.480 --> 1:06:59.680 Yeah. 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:00.520 I just felt that. 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:02.440 I just felt that because in Game four we were 1:07:02.520 --> 1:07:05.360 up like twenty and b Roy made that magical run 1:07:05.680 --> 1:07:07.360 and they beat us, and I just had that that's 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:10.960 not going to happen again. And so and then from 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:13.960 there we started a roll. We started a roll. We 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:16.520 won game five at home, beat them in game six, 1:07:16.600 --> 1:07:20.600 went straight down to LA and stole a miracle Game 1:07:20.640 --> 1:07:24.120 one where Kobe was like hot at like forty I 1:07:24.160 --> 1:07:26.880 think it could seem like he couldn't miss, and we 1:07:26.960 --> 1:07:30.200 basically stole that one at the buzzer and from there, 1:07:30.240 --> 1:07:33.000 I don't know, we just we just got confidence was 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:37.320 getting better, and we had the roles were defined perfectly right. 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:41.040 You had you had Tricks and Kid and Tyson they 1:07:41.040 --> 1:07:44.760 were the defenders right on offense, we knew Jet and 1:07:44.800 --> 1:07:47.160 I and JJ we were going to wheel and deal 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:49.840 and do our thing, and obviously we had some shooters, 1:07:49.880 --> 1:07:53.720 but I felt like we're our roles were perfectly defined, 1:07:53.760 --> 1:07:56.560 and we had, you know, a great bench that we 1:07:56.560 --> 1:08:00.920 can change the tempo a little bit. So uh yeah, 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:02.680 I don't know. It was just a magical time. We 1:08:02.720 --> 1:08:06.880 had Paga that we signed somewhere in February, I think 1:08:06.920 --> 1:08:09.520 we got bought out in Toronto and we took a 1:08:09.600 --> 1:08:11.200 chance on it. He did look like he could play 1:08:11.240 --> 1:08:13.800 with his back, and he rehab for two three months 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:18.080 every day and then gave us unbelievable roun there, made 1:08:18.080 --> 1:08:21.040 some huge shots in the Lakers and Okay Ce series, 1:08:21.120 --> 1:08:24.439 and so everything that we did that year kind of 1:08:24.479 --> 1:08:27.120 panned out, and I know it's fortunate. 1:08:27.280 --> 1:08:28.160 I guess. 1:08:29.960 --> 1:08:31.240 Welcome to the show, Mark Cuban. 1:08:31.360 --> 1:08:33.320 A lot of tough stuff happening on that journey to 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:35.759 twenty eleven. To me, that was one of the greatest 1:08:36.360 --> 1:08:39.479 journeys to get there beat a lot of good teams. 1:08:40.320 --> 1:08:42.439 Talk to us about that journey. You guys end up 1:08:42.439 --> 1:08:45.320 beating the Big three with Brondy, Wade and Bosh. But 1:08:45.520 --> 1:08:47.520 that was a hell of a row. It was incredible. 1:08:47.800 --> 1:08:50.200 Like we started that season like twenty nine and five, 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:56.320 nobody was beating us. Then then what's his name Koran 1:08:56.479 --> 1:08:59.519 got hurt and Koran was our number two score, and 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:01.960 then Son we didn't have a score a second score, 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:04.640 and then Dirk gets hurt and we go on this 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:07.120 road trip in like January and lose six in row 1:09:07.160 --> 1:09:10.120 and get abliterated. So as we had no Kuran, even 1:09:10.200 --> 1:09:12.200 Roddy Bouboy, who's a guy who is really coming on, 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:16.920 was hurt, and so we were struggling. And we get 1:09:16.920 --> 1:09:19.840 to the playoffs and literally, you know, we were playing 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:27.320 Portland and it was they were favored over us and 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:30.439 we were the higher seed. And so we were playing 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:34.640 playing LaMarcus and Brandon Roy and that crew, and we 1:09:34.680 --> 1:09:37.360 win the first two games. Here we go up twenty 1:09:37.439 --> 1:09:40.040 something there in the third game and Brandon Roy puts 1:09:40.080 --> 1:09:42.160 on the last show he ever put on. I mean, 1:09:42.160 --> 1:09:44.640 the dude was super skilled, but you know, with his 1:09:44.720 --> 1:09:48.559 knees and just comes back and beats a single handily and. 1:09:51.040 --> 1:09:51.599 We lose. 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:54.160 I think we lose the next game and then come 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:56.960 back and fortunately close it out. But that having our 1:09:57.360 --> 1:10:02.320 you know, just being destroyed like that by Portland instead 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:05.680 of putting us down really like had it helped us 1:10:05.680 --> 1:10:08.760 figure it out and I think we wore them down, 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:09.719 won that series. 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:14.519 Goes smacked us, Yes, swept us, beat the dogs out 1:10:14.560 --> 1:10:14.840 of us. 1:10:15.040 --> 1:10:17.200 That was insane because I remember sitting there going. 1:10:18.160 --> 1:10:22.320 Oh, Lakers back to back, back to backs. 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:23.840 And everybody, no one gave us a chance. 1:10:24.200 --> 1:10:29.400 And so we go there and playing in in your 1:10:29.479 --> 1:10:33.040 court and you no where did it open up? 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:34.840 We were the highest? 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:35.120 Yeah. 1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:37.280 So we played here first and had to come from 1:10:37.320 --> 1:10:40.280 behind twice, right, and came from behind. And then we 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:42.000 go there and. 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:45.519 What was that? 1:10:45.520 --> 1:10:48.360 That was the the Corey Brewer game I think where 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:51.920 we were down like fifteen and Corey Brewer just went 1:10:51.960 --> 1:10:54.640 off and no, no, we started there because we closed it. 1:10:55.760 --> 1:10:58.320 We closed yeah final JJ. 1:10:58.439 --> 1:11:01.960 Yeah. So we go there and we come down from 1:11:01.960 --> 1:11:05.280 behind both games, and as I'm walking out, I go 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:07.519 to Jack Nicholson, who sits right by the visitors, like 1:11:07.520 --> 1:11:10.400 you need tickets or anything, and Dallas, you just let 1:11:10.439 --> 1:11:12.920 me know. He goes, we're coming back. Don't worry about it. 1:11:12.920 --> 1:11:15.760 I'll see you back here. Then we get to game four, 1:11:15.840 --> 1:11:18.720 we win game through, get to game four and we 1:11:18.760 --> 1:11:21.479 can't miss. We're up like twenty something. 1:11:21.360 --> 1:11:25.040 That half to like nine in the first half. 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:26.840 And I told my buddy, you sits next to me, 1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:29.000 he's always sat next month, like, if you touch me 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:32.640 and wake me up out of this ship, I'm going 1:11:32.720 --> 1:11:35.360 to beat the ship out of you because this is 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:36.160 a dream. 1:11:35.880 --> 1:11:37.040 And I don't want to wake up. 1:11:37.080 --> 1:11:39.080 And then buying them towards the end, right, And then 1:11:39.200 --> 1:11:41.000 Jerry West even called me after that and he goes, 1:11:41.080 --> 1:11:43.639 you know that's just not you know, Laker basketball, right, 1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:46.880 it HAPs like yeah, and JD doesn't care. 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:48.000 JJ is tough dude. 1:11:48.160 --> 1:11:51.240 And then a young OKC and when we. 1:11:51.200 --> 1:11:54.559 Went that whole crew kind of like the Clippers, this 1:11:54.640 --> 1:11:59.120 year's Clipper team back then except for Kad right, and 1:11:59.320 --> 1:12:00.519 they were they were squad. 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:03.080 But they beat us the first game, I think, and 1:12:03.120 --> 1:12:04.240 then we won the rest. 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:07.120 Yeah, and then in that finals, what did Tyson say, 1:12:07.160 --> 1:12:08.760 someone hit the shot in front of d Wade hit 1:12:08.800 --> 1:12:10.200 the shot in front of the bench and kind of 1:12:10.280 --> 1:12:11.200 rubbed it in, and then. 1:12:11.080 --> 1:12:14.200 You got fifteen. Yeah that and he looks at us 1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:16.960 and you know, he does this and this and all 1:12:17.000 --> 1:12:19.040 this ship and she turned on the light. 1:12:19.200 --> 1:12:19.280 No. 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:20.880 And then what people don't know. 1:12:20.920 --> 1:12:24.639 Is like that they won the first game, and then 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:29.400 that second game when we're in Miami halftime, that's the 1:12:29.520 --> 1:12:35.439 same game. They're up whatever fifteen or whatever. And what's 1:12:35.479 --> 1:12:40.240 his name? Oh my god, I'm facing fucking the GM. 1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:43.280 Pat Riley Kim pat Riley says to me at halftime, 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:44.760 is I'm walking through because you know you had to 1:12:44.800 --> 1:12:46.720 walk through it the middle park right there. 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:48.679 He goes, not long enough, not strong enough. 1:12:48.720 --> 1:12:52.240 Mark, they said to you, We're just too quick and 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:53.240 too long. 1:12:54.000 --> 1:12:56.680 I'm like, I didn't say anything bad. It's pat Riley, right, 1:12:56.760 --> 1:12:59.240 I'm not going to disrespect him. I'm like, okay. And 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:00.120 then we come back. 1:13:00.240 --> 1:13:02.000 And damn interesting. 1:13:02.200 --> 1:13:03.519 Yeah interesting, sweet? 1:13:05.120 --> 1:13:05.719 It was nice. 1:13:05.960 --> 1:13:08.120 And then cool part because Mickey Errans is cool too. 1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:09.000 I like Mickey a lot. 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:11.680 And he goes, you know, we close it out and 1:13:11.680 --> 1:13:14.240 we're getting the trophy down in Miami and I see 1:13:14.280 --> 1:13:16.320 Mickey shakes my hand. He goes, Oh, the irony, right, 1:13:16.400 --> 1:13:18.200 because we were supposed to be supposed to bet him 1:13:18.200 --> 1:13:19.800 two thousand and six and then they were supposed to 1:13:19.840 --> 1:13:21.040 kill us in twenty eleven. 1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:22.040 Crazy how that works. 1:13:22.520 --> 1:13:24.840 Obviously, a ton of accomplishments in the business world. Lord, 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:26.640 does that eleven championship rank for you? 1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:31.120 Oh, I've got Larry O'Brien in my office. They in 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:35.519 the face every single day, right, you know. The good 1:13:35.520 --> 1:13:37.800 news is it was amazing. The bad news is it's 1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:39.200 been twelve years. 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:40.880 Right, you know, and so. 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:45.040 You know it's like, yeah, I went out with the 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:47.320 hottest girl in high school, right, That don't do any 1:13:47.320 --> 1:13:52.800 good anymore? Right, So, so now it's frustrating, but I 1:13:52.800 --> 1:13:53.880 think we're on a good path here. 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:55.160 Man. 1:13:55.240 --> 1:13:56.120 Welcome to the show. 1:13:56.680 --> 1:14:00.200 NBA VET and World Champion Edonna's has one. When we 1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:02.479 get to twenty thirteen, the NBA Finals against the San 1:14:02.520 --> 1:14:05.840 Antonio Spurs epic series, looking back on that, now, what 1:14:05.920 --> 1:14:06.960 stood out the most to you? 1:14:08.800 --> 1:14:09.040 Oh? 1:14:09.120 --> 1:14:14.760 Man, pop, Man Pop pops amazing. That's not a take. 1:14:14.920 --> 1:14:17.760 That's not to take nothing away from their talent, but damn, man, 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:21.240 Pop's amazing. You know what I'm saying, you know, I know, 1:14:21.080 --> 1:14:23.160 you know, you know. I don't know if in this 1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:24.800 league how to work, how it work. You're supposed to 1:14:24.800 --> 1:14:26.200 give shout out to other coaches if. 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:27.040 You ain't playing farm. 1:14:27.520 --> 1:14:29.439 I don't know how that shit work. But we on 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:31.920 all the smokes, so we make y'all boys make the rules. 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:32.920 Y'all boys make the rules. 1:14:32.920 --> 1:14:34.280 I ain't no TNT or none of that. 1:14:35.080 --> 1:14:38.679 You all good, You all rules Pop Pops. 1:14:38.880 --> 1:14:41.760 Pop's amazing, man, and I've always had great admiration for 1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:43.240 the way he's been able to not just coach a 1:14:43.240 --> 1:14:45.560 game of basketball, but man, it's just players in the personality. 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:48.880 Man, this dude. The dudes love him, you know what 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:49.400 I'm saying. 1:14:49.640 --> 1:14:51.880 And I've always been amazed by the way Pop Pop 1:14:51.920 --> 1:14:54.679 has been able to manage all of that and translate 1:14:54.720 --> 1:14:57.880 that ship also into winning, yep, because none of that 1:14:57.920 --> 1:15:00.639 shit matters if you don't win, don't matter if your 1:15:00.640 --> 1:15:02.760 team like you, it don't matter, none of that ship 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:05.400 if you ain't winning, you know what I'm saying. So 1:15:05.600 --> 1:15:07.599 I've always been amazed with what Pop been able to do. 1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:10.280 So you know, just the first thing that stands out 1:15:10.320 --> 1:15:12.720 in that series is just a ball movement, man, and 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:15.200 just how Pop had the motherfucker's prime. You know what 1:15:15.240 --> 1:15:17.120 I'm saying. They ready and it's just like a well 1:15:17.240 --> 1:15:19.280 or machine out there. You know what I'm saying, Ain't 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:21.360 no hiccups, ain't no speed bumps. 1:15:21.840 --> 1:15:22.639 That ship running. 1:15:23.040 --> 1:15:24.040 Everybody buying in. 1:15:24.840 --> 1:15:26.880 Yeah, yeah, everybody buying in. 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:29.920 But Jack, you were supposed to or should have been 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:35.040 playing in that final, so I'm not mistaken, right, tell us, uh, 1:15:35.240 --> 1:15:37.200 tell us your t max story during that time. 1:15:37.400 --> 1:15:40.439 Yeah, I would probably got that rebound. I all to 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:42.639 block the ship out of that week ass three race shot. 1:15:43.160 --> 1:15:47.000 But hey, but I was. I was supposed to be 1:15:47.040 --> 1:15:49.479 on the team, and Pop cut me right for the playoffs. Man, 1:15:49.479 --> 1:15:51.040 he cut me right for the playoffs. He put me 1:15:51.040 --> 1:15:53.120 in the position. Pop one of the smartest people I 1:15:53.120 --> 1:15:55.320 even know. He put me in a position to where 1:15:55.320 --> 1:15:58.240 he knew I was gonna respond to where I was 1:15:58.280 --> 1:16:00.280 gonna se off the team. Yeah, he knew that. He 1:16:00.320 --> 1:16:02.200 knew I was gonna cut myself. You asked me to 1:16:02.200 --> 1:16:05.320 say somebody better than me, fuck you and everybody around you. 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:08.040 That's gonna be my response to anybody. Okay, I ain't 1:16:08.080 --> 1:16:10.280 never say that ship. I ain't say that ship like 1:16:10.280 --> 1:16:14.200 that to nobody, and Pop knew but they but but 1:16:14.200 --> 1:16:16.640 but before he even asked me that question, they had 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:19.920 Tracey McGrady already on the plane on the plane already 1:16:19.920 --> 1:16:21.720 in town, so they knew what they was doing. And 1:16:21.760 --> 1:16:24.080 that's why they had lost to y'all because the real 1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:26.920 nigga wasn't not there out there to get the rebound. 1:16:27.560 --> 1:16:28.519 And that's what happened. 1:16:28.520 --> 1:16:31.439 Brouse, Why was my boy where he needed a real 1:16:31.479 --> 1:16:31.840 one on. 1:16:31.800 --> 1:16:32.559 The side of him. 1:16:32.600 --> 1:16:34.439 But Nah, all boys should decided that I was supposed 1:16:34.479 --> 1:16:35.559 to be on that team. Man, it would have been 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:37.120 great to be in the finals again, to play against 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:37.759 y'all in that finals. 1:16:37.800 --> 1:16:41.000 That was a good series. Yeah, you would. 1:16:41.040 --> 1:16:41.680 You would have loved that. 1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:41.800 Man. 1:16:41.800 --> 1:16:43.160 It would have been a hell of an environment and 1:16:43.200 --> 1:16:44.439 we would have been able to hang out while you 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:44.720 was down. 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:46.160 He would have been no COVID boy. 1:16:46.520 --> 1:16:50.240 And the finals in Miami with U d shit. 1:16:50.280 --> 1:16:52.759 Definitely, we'd have definitely been able to do something. 1:16:53.200 --> 1:16:54.439 Definitely did do something. 1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:56.280 Everybody had been on the South Beach, we would have 1:16:56.320 --> 1:16:56.599 been on. 1:16:56.520 --> 1:16:58.240 The other side there was that where you was at 1:16:58.479 --> 1:16:59.479 where we was on the other. 1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:02.639 Side of the We don't know nothing about that. 1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:03.920 Y'all can have that beat ship. 1:17:03.920 --> 1:17:06.280 We don't want none of that, yes. 1:17:06.240 --> 1:17:09.759 Sir, Hey, So game six, the Spurs have the title 1:17:09.840 --> 1:17:15.200 in hand and can't secure rebound. Ray hits that shot. 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:17.479 Take us back to that night and how that juve 1:17:17.800 --> 1:17:19.800 you know, reduced you guys for game seven. 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:21.599 Once again, I wasn't even playing that serious. 1:17:21.640 --> 1:17:24.360 So I had front row seats to that whole goddamn 1:17:24.400 --> 1:17:27.320 game and that shot from Ray. Man, I just remember 1:17:27.360 --> 1:17:29.519 sitting over there and they bringing them damn them, damn 1:17:29.600 --> 1:17:35.160 rope stop and I'm saying, I'm saying, yo that I'm saying, 1:17:35.160 --> 1:17:38.000 I'm like, I'm in disbelief, Like I'm looking at this 1:17:38.040 --> 1:17:38.599 ship like. 1:17:40.320 --> 1:17:44.439 In our own city again. The marriage got us like 1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:45.000 that before. 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:48.519 Man, man, man, it's like they done came in the 1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:51.360 house and took our food and walked out. This motherfucker. Man, 1:17:52.040 --> 1:17:54.719 I'm it just you couldn't have told me that we. 1:17:54.600 --> 1:17:55.479 Were gonna win again. 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:59.879 And yeah when that well, see we got that rebound 1:18:00.680 --> 1:18:02.679 the way the angle that I had, I was directly 1:18:02.760 --> 1:18:04.600 on the other side of the shot from Ray and 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:06.240 when I saw Ray let that motherfucker go, I. 1:18:06.320 --> 1:18:10.559 Knew it was good. Room. You can't get no room. Man. 1:18:10.600 --> 1:18:11.720 People don't know you watch Ray. 1:18:11.760 --> 1:18:13.360 He do some drills when he lay down on his 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:15.200 back like he taking a nap, and jump up and 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:16.799 run to the corner and shoot that motherfucker. 1:18:16.800 --> 1:18:17.000 Man. 1:18:17.479 --> 1:18:19.000 Ray be practicing all kinds of shit. 1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:20.840 He'll sit down Indian style and run to the three 1:18:20.880 --> 1:18:21.719 point line and shoot. 1:18:22.080 --> 1:18:23.720 He do all kinds of little drills like that. 1:18:23.880 --> 1:18:25.800 So for him, the backpay don't get to that three 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:27.400 point line and know where that line at. 1:18:27.600 --> 1:18:30.040 He practiced that every day. That's that's a mental exercise 1:18:30.080 --> 1:18:30.760 that he go through. 1:18:30.880 --> 1:18:32.720 That's one person I used to always try to lock 1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:34.080 up brother when let me tell you one thing I 1:18:34.120 --> 1:18:36.040 used to hate with Ray. When he got the ball, 1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:38.720 I'm like, oh yeah, I'm good money. But as soon 1:18:38.760 --> 1:18:40.920 as I see a screen or two and I got 1:18:40.920 --> 1:18:43.680 to chase him off the screen, you think you own him, 1:18:43.760 --> 1:18:45.280 you think you're right there on him. 1:18:45.520 --> 1:18:47.640 But as soon as he get them feet set, bro, 1:18:48.080 --> 1:18:49.720 that's your ass man. 1:18:49.800 --> 1:18:50.120 Listen. 1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:53.360 Part of Boston offense, I guess us was the god 1:18:53.439 --> 1:18:55.000 Damn d Wade chasing Ray Man. 1:18:55.000 --> 1:18:55.799 They know that they. 1:18:58.720 --> 1:19:00.760 Man, they had Ray running all the rady, God damn 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:04.439 caught the way like man, that was part of the 1:19:04.479 --> 1:19:07.920 goddamn offense for Boston, just to run his ass to 1:19:08.000 --> 1:19:08.759 get him tied. 1:19:08.960 --> 1:19:10.719 Yes, sir, So you guys are able to come back, 1:19:11.200 --> 1:19:14.280 get that game and winning game seven to go back 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:17.080 to back. What does it feel like to be back 1:19:17.120 --> 1:19:19.439 to back champs, something that rarely happens. 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:21.600 I don't think we appreciated the way we should have, 1:19:21.760 --> 1:19:23.759 you know, the whole run, you know what I'm saying, 1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:26.040 And that's just the gods don the truth, you know 1:19:26.040 --> 1:19:28.639 what I'm saying. The team that we had, the run 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:31.200 that we had, the success that we had. That's not 1:19:31.200 --> 1:19:34.760 to say that we didn't appreciate it at all, but 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:37.719 that amount of success in that short period of time, 1:19:38.240 --> 1:19:40.479 four straight finals, you know what I'm saying. 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:43.160 I don't think we appreciated the way we thought the 1:19:43.240 --> 1:19:43.840 way we should have. 1:19:43.920 --> 1:19:45.400 I think we got to the point where we thought 1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:47.560 we were just gonna do that ship every year, you 1:19:47.640 --> 1:19:49.000 know what I'm saying. It was just like it was 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:50.880 just expected that we were just gonna keep going back 1:19:50.880 --> 1:19:53.000 to the finals, and we're just gonna stay together, and 1:19:53.160 --> 1:19:55.880 we're gonna stay healthy and it ain't gonna never break up. 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:59.080 And I think I think that was. That was probably 1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:01.719 a mistake. We should have probably just you know, probably 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:03.880 you know, loved it a little more, you know what 1:20:03.880 --> 1:20:07.320 I'm saying, especially when you look, yeah, enjoyed the process. Man, 1:20:07.360 --> 1:20:10.320 We just focused on working, work and working, and next 1:20:10.400 --> 1:20:12.000 year we're gonna do it again. And this, that and 1:20:12.040 --> 1:20:13.640 the third. I think we never really took time to 1:20:13.720 --> 1:20:15.720 enjoy it. I think everybody had. You know, you had 1:20:15.720 --> 1:20:18.400 your one little party, you how your parade, and then 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:20.160 you think you're gonna do it again, and it's just 1:20:20.200 --> 1:20:22.040 that's not reality, you know what I'm saying. It's not 1:20:22.080 --> 1:20:23.760 reality to think that you're just gonna keep going back 1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:24.680 to the finals and just. 1:20:24.600 --> 1:20:25.280 Doing it again. 1:20:25.640 --> 1:20:27.320 I think we really should have took time to understand 1:20:27.320 --> 1:20:29.600 the position that we was in as a team, you know, 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:33.200 as a group, you know, as a coaching staff, organization, everything, 1:20:33.240 --> 1:20:35.280 and that was something special that we was able to do. 1:20:35.360 --> 1:20:35.559 Man. 1:20:35.600 --> 1:20:38.080 And you know, Golden State obviously came in and they 1:20:38.120 --> 1:20:40.600 had their run and they duplicated and they took it 1:20:40.600 --> 1:20:42.080 even further and did what they was able to do. 1:20:42.120 --> 1:20:44.280 But anybody that's been a part of runs like that, 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:47.160 you understand how special that is, especially once you get 1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:49.040 towards the latter part of your career and you start 1:20:49.040 --> 1:20:50.960 to get you know, started to see yourself walking away 1:20:51.000 --> 1:20:54.040 from this man that's a team and a situation. 1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:55.920 And a run that will always be remembered and always 1:20:55.920 --> 1:20:56.439 talked about. 1:20:57.640 --> 1:20:57.840 Man. 1:20:57.880 --> 1:21:00.000 Welcome to the show, dann Ingratiation. Just go back to time, 1:21:00.160 --> 1:21:05.559 Tony Yo, we was teammates briefly. Was that the year 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:07.400 that they got you out of there and abought teammates? 1:21:08.320 --> 1:21:11.080 First first we lost in the Western Conference finals. 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:12.640 I had Jack, So Jack came at the end of 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:14.640 the year that year, and then he came through for 1:21:14.840 --> 1:21:15.240 like a year. 1:21:15.280 --> 1:21:16.760 So he came in the year and he came, he 1:21:16.840 --> 1:21:17.080 came in. 1:21:17.160 --> 1:21:19.080 Let him well, I came into thirteen. 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:19.479 Okay. 1:21:19.960 --> 1:21:23.240 In the thirteen we los in the Western Conference finals. Okay, 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:26.960 come back in fourteen and right before the playoffs, pop cup, 1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:27.920 Pop cut me for. 1:21:27.960 --> 1:21:31.559 Trace McGrady, Yes and so, and they ain't played. Tracy, 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:36.439 you came, you came twelve twelve. Twe twelve thirteen, We 1:21:36.479 --> 1:21:38.599 went to the finals. We lost the West const Finals 1:21:38.600 --> 1:21:41.720 in twelve okay, so yes, so twelve you came in, 1:21:41.840 --> 1:21:44.400 they let you go. Thirteen thirteen four we got there, Okay, yeah, 1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:47.439 and y'all won in thirteen, right, we lost in thir thirteen. 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:50.640 Yeah, supposed to be team I was supposed. 1:21:50.360 --> 1:21:52.280 To be on Mac was with us. Is his first time. 1:21:52.280 --> 1:21:55.600 I would have got out of the first rebound in 1:21:55.720 --> 1:21:57.679 game six. I would have got the fucking rebound. 1:21:57.800 --> 1:22:00.600 I was damn ray down Show wouldn't have got it 1:22:00.640 --> 1:22:02.240 if anybody would it. I mean, he wouldn't have got 1:22:02.280 --> 1:22:03.600 to shot off for none of that. He wouldn't have 1:22:03.640 --> 1:22:07.400 been involved because you know I take that shit personal him. 1:22:07.439 --> 1:22:10.320 But look, I would have got that got that watch. 1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:12.639 We played a lot together. Though we played a lot together. 1:22:12.680 --> 1:22:15.000 When I did play, we did, and I would I 1:22:15.040 --> 1:22:17.719 would have been Bars. I would have been Bars. Yeah, 1:22:17.960 --> 1:22:20.120 I would have been Bars going to switch or somebody. 1:22:20.200 --> 1:22:22.000 We didn't switch right here, so this is why Chris 1:22:22.040 --> 1:22:22.719 got the rebound. 1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:23.639 I would have been Bars. 1:22:23.760 --> 1:22:26.840 There was no switch here. But my question is they 1:22:26.840 --> 1:22:27.880 wanted to switch everything. 1:22:28.320 --> 1:22:31.559 Barsh is one of the best players, the most played. 1:22:30.960 --> 1:22:32.840 Very good, but we went smaller because they were trying 1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:34.599 to get a three, so they wanted to switch everything, 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:35.839 so we had Timmy off the floor. 1:22:35.960 --> 1:22:38.080 Five would have got that rebound. I'm telling you we 1:22:38.080 --> 1:22:38.880 wasn't switching that. 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:42.360 We did miss two free throws and the play the 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:45.800 possession before Bron hit a three the possession before you 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:51.040 weren't there, but that play was played over over over 1:22:51.360 --> 1:22:53.680 over the following your film room, because that's where my 1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:57.040 mistake was the most because the year before you were 1:22:57.040 --> 1:23:00.680 there with us. Yeah, maybe you can give me you 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:04.400 can test this. We were contesting and if we tested, 1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:07.920 they take off. Oh they changed that on you though, 1:23:08.000 --> 1:23:11.080 huh right after this year take off? 1:23:11.600 --> 1:23:14.080 This year take off, because if we weren't getting to 1:23:14.080 --> 1:23:16.960 be found with him down there was getting all take off. 1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:19.920 If you can test, go so to play before this 1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:24.160 Bron he missed, took one, missed it. I can test 1:23:24.200 --> 1:23:27.680 the first one. I'm trickling out toward half because my 1:23:27.920 --> 1:23:31.040 natural habit was to start leaning to take off. They 1:23:31.040 --> 1:23:32.479 get another rebound and kick it back to Bron and 1:23:32.479 --> 1:23:33.680 he hits it. I think went off the off the 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:36.240 backboard at the big shot. He kept rewinding that ship. 1:23:36.320 --> 1:23:37.240 Where the fuck are you going? 1:23:37.600 --> 1:23:39.240 Where the gonna do that? 1:23:41.760 --> 1:23:43.559 He took that right out. There was no more leaking 1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:44.880 out that. 1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:45.519 It was no more. 1:23:45.640 --> 1:23:47.880 But you know, the older, the older tim got, they 1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:50.040 probably start taking it out because at one point, it 1:23:50.080 --> 1:23:50.599 don't make. 1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:52.400 No sense to going in the key, tim getting all 1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:53.240 that ship everything. 1:23:53.320 --> 1:23:53.439 Bro. 1:23:53.640 --> 1:23:55.760 Yeah he was Timmy was great. I can test the 1:23:55.760 --> 1:24:00.000 first one. I'm leaning to our half and I'm ready. 1:24:00.040 --> 1:24:02.880 It'll be like, all right rebound, we would have been out. 1:24:03.200 --> 1:24:07.280 But it was like it goes off the glass. 1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:09.920 The second rebound three ball. It's hard to watch. 1:24:10.000 --> 1:24:12.559 But said that film session the following year, because Pop 1:24:12.640 --> 1:24:15.720 always does every following year. He watches the previous and 1:24:15.760 --> 1:24:17.639 we had the same group together for a long time. 1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:20.320 He watched the last series or last game. 1:24:20.520 --> 1:24:22.080 I probably watched that just as much as you do. 1:24:22.280 --> 1:24:24.280 He was rewinding and rewinding my seven bars. 1:24:26.400 --> 1:24:29.360 And but the craziest part is this part here five 1:24:29.439 --> 1:24:33.719 seconds they stopped the clock. They stopped, they called, they stopped, 1:24:33.720 --> 1:24:35.519 They took the ball to boards and we're trying to go. 1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:37.360 So Pop was going ape ship. 1:24:37.400 --> 1:24:39.880 Look at him. What's Joey Carford doing? Point shaving. 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:42.000 Yeah, it took them because we're trying to get and go. 1:24:42.720 --> 1:24:44.640 They's celebrating. We could have get we go, get a 1:24:44.720 --> 1:24:48.880 layup or a basket. At this point, Tony's like, get 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:51.240 it out. Tony would have been gone five seconds. What 1:24:51.280 --> 1:24:52.160 we're gonna get a look. 1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:53.920 Now they get a chance to review it, to get 1:24:53.920 --> 1:24:54.320 a chance. 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:56.120 To see if it's a two or three, they get 1:24:56.160 --> 1:24:56.840 a time out. 1:24:57.400 --> 1:24:59.639 Joey every I was with the Spurs. 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:02.360 I made it at least the Winstert Conference finals, at least. 1:25:02.240 --> 1:25:04.479 What we were spoiled, bro at least we were spoiled, 1:25:05.080 --> 1:25:06.000 I was like them. 1:25:06.080 --> 1:25:07.479 And then after that we ain't been back. 1:25:07.520 --> 1:25:11.160 We had been after fourteen with the first round against goals, 1:25:11.240 --> 1:25:13.080 I think Kwihar at the ankle. We had a couple 1:25:13.600 --> 1:25:18.519 were Clippers, CP got the game. Yes, that's your old 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:21.320 States championship. It was a couple of times. We never 1:25:21.360 --> 1:25:23.400 have been back to the Western count finals, like damn. 1:25:23.439 --> 1:25:24.800 So when I got back to Toronto, I was like, 1:25:24.840 --> 1:25:26.320 you know, I'm enjoyed this. We ain't been back here 1:25:26.320 --> 1:25:28.800 in a minute. And to realize how how hard it 1:25:28.880 --> 1:25:29.799 was to get back there. 1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:33.400 I like to introduce my home boy, our home boy, 1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:36.280 Draymond Green. But talk to us about on the court, 1:25:36.320 --> 1:25:37.400 because that was your guys. 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:37.559 Man. 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:40.599 You guys met them in the finals consistently, and you 1:25:40.640 --> 1:25:43.880 know you possibly you tell me it could have been 1:25:43.920 --> 1:25:47.080 obviously a three peat. You don't get kicked out of 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:48.759 the series. Was that was that sixteen? 1:25:49.760 --> 1:25:50.040 Yeah? 1:25:50.439 --> 1:25:52.640 Sixteen, right, you know what I mean? So talk to 1:25:52.720 --> 1:25:55.120 us about what stood out the most about going up 1:25:55.120 --> 1:25:58.040 against him and Kyrie and in those battles. 1:25:59.000 --> 1:26:02.280 I think, well, first off, I'll just speak on him 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:04.360 and Kyrie and their thing, Like I think they kind 1:26:04.360 --> 1:26:06.040 of had the perfect thing, you know what I'm saying, 1:26:06.160 --> 1:26:09.360 where like Lebron is fucking great. You know what I'm saying, 1:26:09.360 --> 1:26:11.559 He gone the ultimate floor general. 1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:14.320 You know what I'm saying. Lebron can control an entire 1:26:14.400 --> 1:26:15.400 forty eight minute game. 1:26:16.520 --> 1:26:18.280 I mean we watched him do it against Boston, like 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:21.400 in Game six and seven, he played forty eight minutes. 1:26:21.160 --> 1:26:23.240 And he controls the entire place of the game. 1:26:23.320 --> 1:26:25.160 But he can do that in any game, controlling into 1:26:25.360 --> 1:26:28.439 absurd and so on, which I think is what makes 1:26:28.479 --> 1:26:31.080 him so great. But Kyrie being next to him, it 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:33.400 kind of took the weight off Kyrie to do anything else. 1:26:33.439 --> 1:26:34.920 But when I give you the ball to go score, 1:26:35.000 --> 1:26:36.759 go score, you know what I'm saying. So I think 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:39.200 they kind of had a perfect match, and it kind 1:26:39.200 --> 1:26:41.560 of you know, it happens a lot in sports and 1:26:41.680 --> 1:26:46.439 music where you know someone wants more like and you 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:48.280 have a match made of heaven and then all of 1:26:48.320 --> 1:26:50.040 a sudden it's broken up to really you know what 1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:52.040 I'm saying. I think that's kind of what happened in 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:56.000 their situation, and being that they kept running up against us, 1:26:56.600 --> 1:27:03.280 it may have like exponited, but yeah, but I think 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:05.120 they had They definitely had a great thing. 1:27:05.240 --> 1:27:06.960 Kyrie kind of came out and said that this. 1:27:07.000 --> 1:27:08.880 Year, like yo, I had to call bro a year 1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:11.559 ago or something like, you know, I called bron and said, Yo, 1:27:11.680 --> 1:27:14.360 my bad, right, And I respect Kyrie for that. 1:27:14.840 --> 1:27:17.200 But they had a real good thing going for sure. 1:27:17.320 --> 1:27:19.320 And come in love with them as well. They like 1:27:19.360 --> 1:27:22.040 they were a really good team. 1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:25.160 But you know when when you start to talk about 1:27:25.200 --> 1:27:28.400 like US meeting in the finals, like yeah, they had 1:27:28.479 --> 1:27:31.160 no fucking shot at winning in twenty sixteen, Like people 1:27:31.200 --> 1:27:33.080 talk all, oh, y'all blew a three to one lead, 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:36.160 like they was coming back here game five and they 1:27:36.160 --> 1:27:39.000 didn't have a fucking clue of how they was going 1:27:39.080 --> 1:27:39.840 to win that game. 1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:41.400 I got suspended. 1:27:41.400 --> 1:27:43.559 They win game five, We're going. 1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:44.920 Back to Cleveland for game six. 1:27:45.160 --> 1:27:47.519 Okay, you go back home for game six, as fucking 1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:48.240 loud as hell. 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:49.839 I'm coming back. 1:27:49.640 --> 1:27:53.280 From a suspension, like everything's kind of thrown off. They 1:27:53.320 --> 1:27:56.160 win game six, all three of us know. You go 1:27:56.200 --> 1:27:59.880 to game seven and it's a fucking coin slipping game. 1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:01.200 Any game seven, like. 1:28:01.200 --> 1:28:04.599 You go to get I'm play. 1:28:06.000 --> 1:28:10.160 Game seven is a coin flip and sean enough, the 1:28:10.240 --> 1:28:12.360 game went down to the wire and Kyrie hit a 1:28:12.400 --> 1:28:12.880 tough shot. 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:13.639 You know what I'm saying. 1:28:14.040 --> 1:28:18.680 That's game seven, and so uh you know, will we 1:28:18.760 --> 1:28:22.760 have three pet it? Though I can't necessarily say we 1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:24.800 wouldn't have we would have three pet it because what 1:28:24.880 --> 1:28:29.000 I will say is this. In twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen, 1:28:29.000 --> 1:28:31.439 we beat the shit out of everybody and nobody had 1:28:31.439 --> 1:28:32.960 a clue of how to stop us. 1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:37.200 Twenty sixteen, things got a little harder, but we were 1:28:37.240 --> 1:28:41.560 able to figure it out. We won seventy three games. 1:28:42.040 --> 1:28:44.719 But like we had to, we had to move a lot, 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:47.120 Like it wasn't just the same exact offense we ran 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:49.680 the year before, Like it was like Steve Kerr was 1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:52.360 playing chess and he was making great moves, but it 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:54.960 was it was always a chest nation In twenty sixteen, 1:28:55.360 --> 1:28:59.000 although we won more games, it wasn't as easy. And 1:28:59.040 --> 1:29:01.360 then we got to the I mean you can even remember. 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:05.200 In twenty sixteen, we got to ok See and we 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:08.160 were down three one, and we kind of switched our 1:29:08.240 --> 1:29:10.479 match us back to normal and pretty much said, all right, 1:29:10.479 --> 1:29:13.280 we're going to as opposed to making everybody else beat 1:29:13.400 --> 1:29:20.200 us and trying to take Kevin and Russ away. Everybody 1:29:20.280 --> 1:29:23.360 else was beating us. Let's make Kevin and Russ beat 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:26.479 us and take everybody else away. And it was a 1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:29.759 fucking chess move by Steve Current. It worked to fucking perfection, 1:29:29.840 --> 1:29:31.719 and we were able to come back and win that series, 1:29:32.120 --> 1:29:34.960 and then we go on to the finals and I 1:29:34.960 --> 1:29:37.680 get suspended. We were going to win that series, but 1:29:37.760 --> 1:29:39.519 to say we were going to three feet, I'm not 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:42.960 sure we would have won in twenty seventeen, because you know, 1:29:43.080 --> 1:29:44.360 teams have started changing. 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:45.439 They were preparing for. 1:29:45.439 --> 1:29:48.680 Us, like watching film on us all summer, and so 1:29:48.720 --> 1:29:51.360 it was starting to get harder. So because we lost 1:29:51.400 --> 1:29:54.320 in twenty sixteen, we then got Kevin, and once we 1:29:54.360 --> 1:29:57.519 got Kevin, we were fucking unstoppable, even losing last year. 1:29:57.920 --> 1:30:00.120 Kevin, don't get hurt like you see that game. We 1:30:00.200 --> 1:30:03.559 came back in game five. I looked up we had 1:30:03.600 --> 1:30:05.520 like forty points in the first quarter. 1:30:05.640 --> 1:30:10.200 And it wasn't They wouldn't instid a chance if Kevin 1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:10.880 didn't get hurt. 1:30:10.920 --> 1:30:11.960 But you know, shit. 1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:13.320 Happens, and that's the part of the game. You know 1:30:13.320 --> 1:30:16.559 what I'm saying. Injuries happened, and Kawhi was fucking amazing, 1:30:16.600 --> 1:30:19.799 you know what I'm saying, Pascal Siato, They were fucking amazing. 1:30:19.880 --> 1:30:22.479 But you know, to go back to twenty and sixteen 1:30:22.520 --> 1:30:25.080 and Lebron, like those matchups in the finals. 1:30:24.680 --> 1:30:27.040 With Lebron and Kyrie and them and then. 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:31.240 Lebron by himself or with Kevin loving Kyrie is gone, 1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:33.639 like they were fucking incredible matchups. 1:30:33.640 --> 1:30:34.200 You know what I'm saying. 1:30:34.200 --> 1:30:35.640 We were able to get the better of it, But 1:30:35.920 --> 1:30:38.959 I don't think we would have lost in twenty and sixteen. 1:30:39.240 --> 1:30:40.160 I know we wouldn't have lost. 1:30:40.200 --> 1:30:41.600 We would have won Game five and it would have 1:30:41.600 --> 1:30:43.400 been over. But shit happens. 1:30:43.880 --> 1:30:47.120 But twenty seventeen and eighteen probably wouldn't have been the 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:50.000 same either, because getting Kevin played a huge fucking role 1:30:50.040 --> 1:30:52.320 in that, you know what I'm saying. So what does 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:54.599 the dynasty end up going as long as it did? 1:30:55.360 --> 1:30:56.720 Probably not, you. 1:30:56.680 --> 1:30:59.760 Know, but when we got Kevin, it fucking made it. 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:02.240 You know it over started over. 1:31:04.400 --> 1:31:06.480 Welcome to the show, Emon Shepard. 1:31:07.800 --> 1:31:10.680 The step back right, wouldn't it? 1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:12.360 Was it the truth? In the huddle he told you, Luke, 1:31:12.400 --> 1:31:13.240 give me the ball or was that. 1:31:13.280 --> 1:31:14.320 Just urban legend? 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:17.240 He told you it would give them ball? Like this 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:19.960 was early in the fourth. He was frying. He was good, 1:31:20.000 --> 1:31:21.679 That's what I'm saying. He was early in the fourth. 1:31:21.720 --> 1:31:26.040 He said he wanted the ball because uh Bron Bron 1:31:26.080 --> 1:31:28.000 wanted he. 1:31:28.040 --> 1:31:30.280 Wanted a three to one screen Bron was. 1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:34.400 He like, yeah, he the biggest, Like matchup, Nick, Bron 1:31:34.439 --> 1:31:38.360 will play chess with you. It be stone cold to crowd, 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:42.200 be quiet. He'd be at the top. No, no, make 1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:45.680 him him like him, like no he gonna play Like no, 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:46.559 he gonna play today. 1:31:46.600 --> 1:31:47.120 He'd be like. 1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:51.439 Whoa buddy, He like, whoa calm down, but he'd be 1:31:51.520 --> 1:31:55.080 dead serious. So he brought that over and we realized 1:31:55.160 --> 1:31:57.439 Steph wasn't trying to match up with Kyle. 1:31:57.479 --> 1:31:59.400 I don't remember the foul situation or. 1:31:59.320 --> 1:32:02.160 What it was, but all we took it is like, oh, 1:32:02.240 --> 1:32:05.080 you scared a dude, You scared a buddy. 1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:06.639 So we just feed him. 1:32:06.760 --> 1:32:08.920 If if Steph came and guarded me if they tried 1:32:08.920 --> 1:32:10.920 to do a triple switch whatever they tried to do. 1:32:11.400 --> 1:32:12.880 I say, bro, if I go down here and I 1:32:12.960 --> 1:32:15.240 set this screen and Steph switch off and try and 1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:17.519 go on me while I'm in the corner, I'm gonna 1:32:17.520 --> 1:32:19.640 bring my screen up too, and now you got a 1:32:19.680 --> 1:32:23.640 double screen. But you, Finnah, have to guard Kyrie. And 1:32:23.720 --> 1:32:26.160 once we knew that at the end of that, Like 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:28.360 I mean, if you watch film, you knew Kyrie he 1:32:28.439 --> 1:32:31.639 gonna get to that right wing and he gonna punish you. 1:32:32.280 --> 1:32:34.240 But if you watch film, you know that. I just 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:38.200 don't feel like they watched enough of it because dude wasn't. 1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:41.479 Dude was trying to he Kolbe in his mind didn't didn't. 1:32:41.680 --> 1:32:44.280 Hundred play said that was one of the biggest regrets 1:32:44.280 --> 1:32:46.200 of his career, was switching that screen. I think Clay 1:32:46.240 --> 1:32:47.640 came out and said, that's the biggest one of the 1:32:47.640 --> 1:32:49.920 biggest regrets of my career was switching that screen. 1:32:50.479 --> 1:32:52.720 Clay in his mind, he like, I know exactly what 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:53.439 it was. 1:32:53.479 --> 1:32:56.920 Clay, Gary Payton, whoever was on that wing was getting 1:32:56.960 --> 1:32:57.800 cooked on this show. 1:32:59.680 --> 1:33:02.200 But I'm saying, like I know that, I know that 1:33:02.200 --> 1:33:04.320 that that energy that Clay talking about where it's like 1:33:04.400 --> 1:33:08.280 I knew good and well, I know what this is, 1:33:08.560 --> 1:33:10.599 I know what's about to happen, and now I got 1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:13.000 to watch it on TV. Yeah, Like now I gotta 1:33:13.040 --> 1:33:15.680 sit here and act like yeah, like my one of 1:33:15.760 --> 1:33:19.400 my biggest regrets. And Steph, I'm sure you would have 1:33:19.439 --> 1:33:21.240 been the light skinned man either way. 1:33:21.520 --> 1:33:22.920 He was gonna be the light skinned man. 1:33:23.040 --> 1:33:23.679 You know what I'm saying. 1:33:24.120 --> 1:33:25.080 That was destined for you. 1:33:25.680 --> 1:33:28.479 But I feel like when you came to the garden 1:33:29.439 --> 1:33:32.720 and I let Raymond Felton's pride getting away and he 1:33:32.760 --> 1:33:33.720 had fifty. 1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:34.479 Let me tell you why I'm not. 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:37.320 I feel you because Raymond felt was on my team. 1:33:37.960 --> 1:33:41.760 Jamier Nelson had twenty points in the first quarter the 1:33:41.800 --> 1:33:43.960 first three games of the first round of the playoffs 1:33:43.960 --> 1:33:44.880 on him. 1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:48.880 So I get it. I get it when I tell 1:33:48.920 --> 1:33:51.519 you my dog, but I get Raymond. That's my dog too. 1:33:51.560 --> 1:33:54.920 That's what I said. I Raymond said, schump no, like 1:33:55.280 --> 1:33:58.000 he was like bro like stop like stop, I'm like, 1:33:58.080 --> 1:33:59.599 ge come on, ge like come on. 1:34:00.040 --> 1:34:02.320 Because I just switched off to him. I immediately poked 1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:02.920 the ball away. 1:34:03.479 --> 1:34:06.200 Let's get to this dude, Joe, like stop, letting dude 1:34:06.240 --> 1:34:08.080 do this, but he really be doing this to us. 1:34:08.479 --> 1:34:09.280 Stop letting Tom do this. 1:34:09.439 --> 1:34:11.920 He really be doing it real because I've seen it 1:34:11.960 --> 1:34:14.879 coming coming. I'm like the confidence is changing. 1:34:14.920 --> 1:34:15.160 Gee. 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:18.360 He going back to Davidson on us. Bro, Nah, his 1:34:18.560 --> 1:34:19.840 jersey ain't read, bro. 1:34:19.760 --> 1:34:20.720 Don't let him do that. 1:34:21.280 --> 1:34:21.840 You feel me. 1:34:21.920 --> 1:34:23.720 I'm like, he doing the shit that we was like, 1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:25.040 you can't do that in the league. 1:34:25.439 --> 1:34:26.439 He started doing it. 1:34:26.520 --> 1:34:30.400 I'm not, Yeah, you going too fast, shooting that jumping Now, 1:34:30.400 --> 1:34:31.080 that's too much. 1:34:31.120 --> 1:34:32.719 You ain't even holding it up no more. 1:34:32.840 --> 1:34:36.920 You ain't you ain't you even yeah falling this shit? 1:34:37.040 --> 1:34:39.400 I no, Bro, Now he talking to the crowd, he 1:34:39.560 --> 1:34:42.519 pointing that fans. I'm like, Steph, don't even do that. 1:34:43.680 --> 1:34:46.920 I think it was us Hey, jim My bad, Hey, 1:34:47.000 --> 1:34:48.639 Hey New York, my bad. If I was a part 1:34:48.680 --> 1:34:50.960 of that, cause shorty, I did not. I could have 1:34:51.080 --> 1:34:55.600 ran up to Raymond like a g you're guarding whatever 1:34:56.160 --> 1:34:56.920 the fuck else. 1:34:57.200 --> 1:34:59.679 But I'm now guarding Steph ninety four feet. 1:35:00.040 --> 1:35:02.160 But I had just got back from injury, so they 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:04.040 was like, something, you overgassing yourself. 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:04.840 He's gonna do you. 1:35:05.640 --> 1:35:08.679 That's how they say you on a minute restriction. 1:35:09.600 --> 1:35:12.240 He's gonna do you let raining handle? 1:35:12.360 --> 1:35:13.679 Willing to reblow this wheel? 1:35:13.720 --> 1:35:14.200 Just yes. 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:17.240 I really felt like in my heart like we are 1:35:17.360 --> 1:35:18.720 birthday an animal. Bro. 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:20.639 I really think of that moment. 1:35:20.640 --> 1:35:23.400 I'm like, Bro, I think we ignited that confidence that 1:35:23.439 --> 1:35:24.240 came because. 1:35:24.000 --> 1:35:27.200 After that game, Bro, he got very disrespectful. 1:35:28.080 --> 1:35:32.639 He got disrespectful shit twelve. 1:35:32.040 --> 1:35:34.080 Thirteen, twenty twelve thirteen. 1:35:34.200 --> 1:35:34.880 Yep, that's it. 1:35:35.400 --> 1:35:36.479 I had just got back, Bro. 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:38.040 I had to wear a sleeve on my ny I 1:35:38.080 --> 1:35:39.760 never had a black sleeve on my knee. 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:39.960 Bro. 1:35:40.680 --> 1:35:43.600 I'm like, shorty ass was really dragging us, and I'm like, 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:45.640 shorty y'all acting like it's record. 1:35:45.400 --> 1:35:47.799 Was coming to I never forget being in a huddle. 1:35:49.280 --> 1:35:54.040 Ron Better? What is he right now? Yeah? 1:35:54.120 --> 1:35:55.719 My dog my bad? 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:58.800 But yeah, I like all my nigga rong, I just 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:00.439 like you run you. 1:36:01.920 --> 1:36:02.280 Moron. 1:36:02.400 --> 1:36:03.360 We don't call him Meta? 1:36:04.160 --> 1:36:08.400 Well, better start rubbing my shoulders, like, calm down. 1:36:08.760 --> 1:36:11.639 If he telling you to calm down, he like, be cool, 1:36:12.000 --> 1:36:12.360 what's it? 1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:12.519 No? 1:36:12.640 --> 1:36:14.519 It couldn't have been Meta though, because Meda came. 1:36:14.680 --> 1:36:16.880 The next who was. 1:36:18.560 --> 1:36:18.840 KT? 1:36:19.600 --> 1:36:21.880 Kurt Thomas came grabbed my shoulder, say. 1:36:21.760 --> 1:36:23.200 Hey, that sound different? 1:36:23.240 --> 1:36:24.200 He say a man. 1:36:24.360 --> 1:36:27.920 Calm down, Calm down. But I'm like, I'm like, man, 1:36:27.960 --> 1:36:31.960 what the fuck this? Nika car like three. I'm like, bro, 1:36:32.120 --> 1:36:34.640 this is he putting bullets in us? Bro Like what 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:38.439 y'all mean? It's not cool? Foul um? Hit him? I'm like, Bro, 1:36:38.479 --> 1:36:40.719 what y'all talking about? He ain't got no bruises on nothing. 1:36:40.840 --> 1:36:43.280 Hit him? Hit him? Like what are you talking about? 1:36:43.280 --> 1:36:43.439 Bro? 1:36:43.560 --> 1:36:45.720 Take a foul he coming off the screen? Hit him. 1:36:45.920 --> 1:36:47.479 I'm like, Bro, y'all want me to do it, but 1:36:47.520 --> 1:36:50.599 I'm like asking coach. They like, man, somebody get wild Man. 1:36:50.880 --> 1:36:53.840 But he liked, he like, come get wild Man over here. 1:36:53.840 --> 1:36:55.720 Calm down, man, that man on the wood. They like 1:36:55.800 --> 1:36:58.120 talking to me like it's before we knew it. The 1:36:58.120 --> 1:37:01.479 man fifty and the garden was cheering for him. I 1:37:01.600 --> 1:37:03.360 say they cheering for him. 1:37:03.520 --> 1:37:04.439 I was sick. 1:37:04.520 --> 1:37:06.439 Bro, light skinned man. I just want you to know, bro, 1:37:06.680 --> 1:37:09.680 light skinning my day. Do you know the light skinning man, 1:37:09.800 --> 1:37:12.680 the light skinning man, the light skin Do you know 1:37:12.840 --> 1:37:15.400 the light skinning man that lives on Jewelry Lane? 1:37:15.760 --> 1:37:15.960 Oh? 1:37:16.080 --> 1:37:20.160 Bro, that light skinned man. Now got after that, it 1:37:20.320 --> 1:37:22.680 was real, Yeah, it was run away with it. 1:37:22.720 --> 1:37:26.960 After that he started shooting from forty than start turning 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:29.400 around when he show him, like you Gilbert areenas now 1:37:29.800 --> 1:37:34.000 you Gilbert Jesus Christ agent zero pieces. 1:37:35.080 --> 1:37:39.040 Man Nix will do it. You stand everybody in confidence. 1:37:39.439 --> 1:37:45.080 He's standing going trust man. I was about to say something, 1:37:46.120 --> 1:37:47.360 what what's the best. 1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:50.200 Version of Bron? Best version? Yeah? 1:37:50.479 --> 1:37:53.639 Yeah, you play with him, you've seen them couple against them. Yeah, 1:37:53.640 --> 1:37:54.880 what's the best version you've seen? 1:37:55.280 --> 1:37:58.560 I think the best version I saw Bron was you 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:03.320 remember the year that they lost to when Dirk won? Yeah, 1:38:03.720 --> 1:38:06.200 that next year, that next year they came back when 1:38:06.280 --> 1:38:09.559 him and d Wade valve to not shoot, not settle 1:38:09.640 --> 1:38:13.200 for threes, and they played that whole first season and 1:38:13.240 --> 1:38:14.759 they wasn't shooting no threes. 1:38:14.800 --> 1:38:18.479 They was just attacking. It was vicious. I was like, bro, 1:38:18.720 --> 1:38:20.920 what the fuck are we supposed to do with that? 1:38:21.040 --> 1:38:24.000 I was looking at the league like downhill too. 1:38:24.360 --> 1:38:26.240 When I get there, How am I gonna What am 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:27.720 I gonna do about that? 1:38:28.120 --> 1:38:28.280 Like? 1:38:28.320 --> 1:38:29.479 What is that? Nigga? 1:38:29.680 --> 1:38:29.760 Like? 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:31.840 They're running fast? They big as shit. 1:38:32.040 --> 1:38:35.240 I'm like d Wade and Broun literally passing it back 1:38:35.280 --> 1:38:35.880 and forth and. 1:38:35.880 --> 1:38:40.240 Just downhill, downhill, down game. Yeah, I'm like y'all not 1:38:40.280 --> 1:38:40.760 gonna shoot. 1:38:40.760 --> 1:38:43.200 They was pump faking every three no matter how wide 1:38:43.200 --> 1:38:44.560 open it was, and attacking. 1:38:44.840 --> 1:38:47.360 I feel like that was the scariest Broun to deal with. 1:38:47.800 --> 1:38:50.280 He was so focused, Like you remember that clip when 1:38:50.320 --> 1:38:53.519 they did they I think they did the the oop 1:38:53.720 --> 1:38:58.040 they did the oop they dunked it. Coach, you would 1:38:58.040 --> 1:39:01.080 have me watch this clip like ten times before the 1:39:01.120 --> 1:39:06.360 game they called a ooh dunky, Ron d Wade and 1:39:06.479 --> 1:39:10.040 Chris Bosh did the fastest sprint like right next to 1:39:10.080 --> 1:39:13.719 each other, like it was like to get back on defense. 1:39:13.800 --> 1:39:14.960 I was like, Nigga, that's the. 1:39:14.960 --> 1:39:16.840 Scariest shit I've ever seen in my life. 1:39:16.960 --> 1:39:20.200 Those three right there going on a breakaway, banging that 1:39:20.280 --> 1:39:22.840 bitch after like passing it back and forth and then 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:25.280 sprinting back to where you can't throw an outlet. 1:39:25.600 --> 1:39:28.000 I was like, well what I was. 1:39:28.280 --> 1:39:31.559 I'll be remembering ship like that because it's like, Bro, 1:39:31.680 --> 1:39:35.200 like you feel me like Bron being able to do 1:39:35.240 --> 1:39:37.360 that and say, you know what, I'm not gonna shoot 1:39:37.360 --> 1:39:39.920 a three now, Like that's what's crazy about Braun. 1:39:40.000 --> 1:39:41.120 Every version is. 1:39:41.040 --> 1:39:42.960 Scary now that I think about it, because it's like 1:39:43.040 --> 1:39:46.960 even now he can say I'm done dunking on y'all, 1:39:47.040 --> 1:39:48.720 but you still finna have to deal with my back 1:39:48.760 --> 1:39:51.000 to the basket and you got deal it. 1:39:51.040 --> 1:39:52.880 I can still pass it really really good. 1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:54.120 I don't feel like. 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:56.080 If I catch a rhythm. I'm here five or six 1:39:56.120 --> 1:39:56.599 threes on. 1:39:56.720 --> 1:39:59.200 Real talk, real talk, you know what I'm saying. And 1:39:59.240 --> 1:40:01.280 I figured out this. You throw things for the most part. 1:40:02.000 --> 1:40:05.679 For the most part, my nigga, nigga stills the while, 1:40:05.920 --> 1:40:12.439 he sh I'll just be eyeballs. He funny though, Broo, Yeah, 1:40:13.040 --> 1:40:16.519 I didn't happen a shutty funny though, bro it'd be funny, 1:40:16.560 --> 1:40:17.080 bro Like. 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:21.519 We got rock on the building trying to find out 1:40:21.520 --> 1:40:22.479 what's going on over here. 1:40:22.720 --> 1:40:24.680 But man, welcome to the show. Clay Thompson, Clay, we 1:40:24.720 --> 1:40:25.240 appreciate you. 1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:32.280 Twenty sixteen, Uh you guys a clips the Chicago Bulls. Yeah, dude, 1:40:32.479 --> 1:40:34.240 seventy three and nine? 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:36.240 What was leading up? 1:40:36.280 --> 1:40:38.120 We'll talked about the finals? Like, what was it up? 1:40:38.200 --> 1:40:40.080 I mean, you guys were on the pace early on. 1:40:40.120 --> 1:40:42.680 What was every what was it energy like around every 1:40:42.720 --> 1:40:43.920 single game? Oh? 1:40:43.960 --> 1:40:46.120 Man, it was special. That was a special season. We 1:40:46.120 --> 1:40:48.840 didn't finished the job, but that's the season. I'll never forget. Man, 1:40:48.920 --> 1:40:51.519 we remember one point a lot. We were fifty and 1:40:51.600 --> 1:40:57.320 five at one point. I'm like crazy Indiana and there 1:40:57.360 --> 1:40:59.760 and Rick Carl said it was like when the Rolling 1:40:59.760 --> 1:41:02.200 Stars come to tell you know. I was like, that's hilarious, 1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:06.479 more like Bone Dugs and Harmony's you know, yeah, Rick. 1:41:06.360 --> 1:41:11.280 We know you all playing both dugs at hard. That 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:12.920 was the best. That was a special year. 1:41:12.960 --> 1:41:13.120 Man. 1:41:13.280 --> 1:41:17.559 Every game was just right and like like the team 1:41:17.600 --> 1:41:20.280 wanted to beat us so bad. We're getting hate from 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:22.160 the old heads like oh, his team would get smacked 1:41:22.160 --> 1:41:25.160 by the bulls, and like, we know, all. 1:41:25.120 --> 1:41:26.880 Right, we just want to We're just doing our job. 1:41:27.560 --> 1:41:30.120 I mean, I've come to also realize like it comes 1:41:30.120 --> 1:41:30.840 from a good place. 1:41:30.840 --> 1:41:32.280 They're just we're all just competitive. 1:41:32.280 --> 1:41:34.800 And I'm not gonna I'm definitely in twenty years and 1:41:34.840 --> 1:41:36.320 not gonna be like these guys are the best now. 1:41:36.320 --> 1:41:38.439 I'm like, nah, twenty tens are the best. 1:41:38.520 --> 1:41:39.000 Let me tell you. 1:41:40.600 --> 1:41:40.920 Uh. 1:41:41.760 --> 1:41:45.160 Game six in the Western Conference Finals that year against 1:41:45.200 --> 1:41:49.439 the thunder down three to two on the road, forty 1:41:49.520 --> 1:41:52.880 one and eleven excuse me, forty one points eleven for 1:41:52.920 --> 1:41:55.479 eighteen from the three point line. You guys come back 1:41:55.479 --> 1:41:59.559 and win that series Game six, clays about who he is. 1:41:59.560 --> 1:42:02.599 The beginning the game beginning, Man, that was. 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:10.720 I just you know, we had obviously everything working against us, like, oh, 1:42:10.800 --> 1:42:12.800 look at these failures. They're about to blow the best 1:42:12.840 --> 1:42:15.639 season of all time. So I just thought my mind, like, man, 1:42:15.640 --> 1:42:17.400 you got to empty the clip, like we can't go 1:42:17.479 --> 1:42:18.360 back to the bay with. 1:42:20.120 --> 1:42:22.599 Yeah, what are we doing here? 1:42:23.160 --> 1:42:25.040 So I just I remember coming out the gate early 1:42:25.160 --> 1:42:28.320 that game and it felt good. Everything was in rhythm 1:42:28.479 --> 1:42:30.000 and just have to be one of those nice man. 1:42:30.120 --> 1:42:33.280 It's just I barely remember the moments, honestly, but I 1:42:33.360 --> 1:42:35.640 watched the Oh you watch the footage, you'd be like, 1:42:35.640 --> 1:42:36.960 I can't believe I shot that shot. 1:42:38.160 --> 1:42:40.480 And when they like a lot of them, I'm like, dang. 1:42:40.800 --> 1:42:41.320 A lot of them. 1:42:42.120 --> 1:42:44.280 Right, They have some nice rooms out. 1:42:44.200 --> 1:42:47.920 There, they like some bouncy. But that was special, man. 1:42:47.960 --> 1:42:49.880 It's still a special team. We didn't finish the job, 1:42:49.880 --> 1:42:52.720 but that was such a special season. I hold that 1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:53.840 record still dear in my heart. 1:42:53.880 --> 1:42:54.080 Man. 1:42:55.439 --> 1:43:00.320 So you get to the finals against bron again again, too, 1:43:01.800 --> 1:43:04.040 what's the game plan? Obviously you knowing what he did 1:43:04.479 --> 1:43:07.000 kind of single handedly with all due respects the first time, 1:43:07.080 --> 1:43:09.519 second time around went your guys game plan approaching him 1:43:09.520 --> 1:43:10.360 in the finals this stime. 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:13.160 Oh man, you say like, oh, I'll make the others 1:43:13.160 --> 1:43:13.639 beat us. 1:43:13.680 --> 1:43:14.280 But then like. 1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:18.640 Bron and Kyrie get going, and then you overhelp and 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:21.759 j R. Smith can shoot, Kevin Love can shoot, James 1:43:21.800 --> 1:43:24.599 Doones can all them all their role players could really shoot. 1:43:24.680 --> 1:43:27.120 So it was actually a great matchup. 1:43:27.200 --> 1:43:30.519 Like personnel watch both teams is you could see there's 1:43:30.560 --> 1:43:33.200 a new era of hoo's being played. Like no traditional center, 1:43:33.280 --> 1:43:37.559 we're not. It's all very guard heavy. Lebron's really a 1:43:37.600 --> 1:43:39.280 guard and having a. 1:43:39.800 --> 1:43:40.719 Gosh, so exhausting. 1:43:40.760 --> 1:43:42.720 I'm so grateful for Andrew just thinking like having to 1:43:42.800 --> 1:43:45.040 chase Kyrie around those seven games was exhausting. 1:43:45.080 --> 1:43:45.240 Man. 1:43:45.320 --> 1:43:47.320 Well, I've bet some people don't realize, like you were 1:43:47.360 --> 1:43:49.519 the one that always took the best player on the 1:43:49.560 --> 1:43:52.559 other team, whether it be Dame Kyrie. But we're still 1:43:52.600 --> 1:43:54.720 able to do it on the other end too. 1:43:55.080 --> 1:43:58.519 Yeah, who played two guard did the same thing, whether 1:43:58.560 --> 1:44:02.360 it's Mike, Kobe d Way, the greatest to ever do it, 1:44:02.439 --> 1:44:04.880 even a I led the league in steals, like the 1:44:04.920 --> 1:44:07.400 best players to play shooting yard play both sides of 1:44:07.400 --> 1:44:10.519 the ball. I mean go way back to out who's 1:44:10.560 --> 1:44:14.120 Alvid Robinson? He won dp O Y like doing that. 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:18.040 That's a beast moode. But uh yeah, man, that was 1:44:18.040 --> 1:44:20.479 a tough series. But O, the biggest regret I have 1:44:20.600 --> 1:44:22.920 in my basketball career, besides getting busted for the weed, 1:44:23.840 --> 1:44:26.720 was switching that pick and roll with Steph with j R. 1:44:26.760 --> 1:44:27.280 And Kyrie. 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:29.800 I still can't, like, I can't bring myself to watch 1:44:29.840 --> 1:44:32.320 that footage. It's it's too uncomfortable. You know, if you 1:44:32.360 --> 1:44:34.240 watched yourself, you know, I can't just gave it that. 1:44:34.439 --> 1:44:35.479 It was a big shot. 1:44:35.640 --> 1:44:36.519 Now, Kyrie got. 1:44:36.400 --> 1:44:38.439 One of the greatest shots the NBA history, and I 1:44:38.560 --> 1:44:41.519 like Steph's great defender too, But I'm just like, man, 1:44:41.560 --> 1:44:43.040 I can't believe I can see of that switch. 1:44:43.160 --> 1:44:45.280 It still burns. You never get over things like that. 1:44:45.400 --> 1:44:48.240 But that was the game plan though at the time, right, Yeah. 1:44:48.280 --> 1:44:50.200 But I'm like, when I look at the footage, I'm like, 1:44:50.240 --> 1:44:51.520 that was a pretty. 1:44:51.160 --> 1:44:54.200 Weak scream I could have got through just but just 1:44:54.240 --> 1:44:56.559 saying you don't. Yeah, both of y'all go. 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:03.639 And picking pop and jail Kyrie with his tongue contested three. 1:45:03.920 --> 1:45:05.720 You gotta take that, Yeah, you gotta take it. 1:45:05.800 --> 1:45:07.320 That was a that was a dagger. 1:45:07.479 --> 1:45:10.320 Your thoughts when Draymond gets suspended. 1:45:11.600 --> 1:45:13.680 I knew he saw a chance, like he'll be so 1:45:13.760 --> 1:45:16.240 much harder. You know, it is Draymond's are heart and soul. 1:45:16.640 --> 1:45:18.760 Did you think he deserved it to get kicked out? 1:45:19.400 --> 1:45:20.800 Honestly I didn't at the time. 1:45:20.920 --> 1:45:23.679 Yeah, I thought he got stepped over, and I was like, man, 1:45:23.720 --> 1:45:24.479 he's defending him. 1:45:24.479 --> 1:45:27.920 So it happened so much. You're supposed to just do this, steps. 1:45:27.600 --> 1:45:31.120 Over everybody, ain't lou here you go. I'm just saying, 1:45:31.560 --> 1:45:32.840 took tie out of it. 1:45:33.720 --> 1:45:36.240 Hey, I stepped over after we throw Dollard to the face, 1:45:36.280 --> 1:45:38.160 and he just he just took He just looked. 1:45:39.720 --> 1:45:40.240 For a time. 1:45:40.320 --> 1:45:42.120 But at least he was there checking him. 1:45:42.120 --> 1:45:45.200 Man balls to check him like that. 1:45:46.280 --> 1:45:48.800 I've never been teammates, but just always admired from afar 1:45:48.880 --> 1:45:49.519 Man Jr. 1:45:49.600 --> 1:45:50.240 Man appreciate it. 1:45:51.560 --> 1:45:56.479 Twenty eighteen, Game one of the Finals. You get the 1:45:56.520 --> 1:46:01.160 offensive rebound and dribble towards half court. Talk about that 1:46:01.200 --> 1:46:01.400 to me? 1:46:01.439 --> 1:46:06.200 What happened the play before? It was a foul? 1:46:06.560 --> 1:46:06.680 Uh? 1:46:07.479 --> 1:46:10.559 Wasn't Lebron passed to George Hill? Yeah, who was shooting free. 1:46:10.439 --> 1:46:17.000 Throws right and I thought he made both of he did, 1:46:17.960 --> 1:46:19.960 so I was all right, bet, so next time, George, 1:46:19.960 --> 1:46:21.920 get the bar on the free throws. I'm all right, bet, 1:46:21.960 --> 1:46:22.599 we get the bar. 1:46:23.040 --> 1:46:23.280 Ship. 1:46:23.520 --> 1:46:25.120 They're gonna you know what I mean, we call time 1:46:25.120 --> 1:46:27.960 out whatever, they're gonna try a foul anyway, so we 1:46:28.080 --> 1:46:30.800 do what we normally do. All right, Bet, get the ball. 1:46:31.600 --> 1:46:35.360 Nobody called time out. All right, Bet, I'm about to, 1:46:35.600 --> 1:46:38.400 you know what I mean, dribble it back out. Then game, 1:46:38.760 --> 1:46:41.920 game about to be over. I look Lebron, Bron pointing 1:46:42.000 --> 1:46:50.360 like this. Oh I look over oh man. And then 1:46:50.400 --> 1:46:52.840 after that it was just like, I know this ship 1:46:52.880 --> 1:46:55.559 ain't just happen. I know this ship ain't just happened. 1:46:56.000 --> 1:46:59.240 Not in the finals, not in the finals. He was 1:46:59.240 --> 1:47:03.320 about to beat these niggas. 1:47:01.720 --> 1:47:03.080 Say with the box out. 1:47:03.960 --> 1:47:06.040 The box out looked at you didn't expect to get 1:47:06.040 --> 1:47:07.680 that ball because you had k right there. 1:47:07.720 --> 1:47:10.040 I had no It's no way he was getting the riboud, 1:47:11.040 --> 1:47:12.599 no bullshit, I was told. 1:47:12.920 --> 1:47:16.080 I was so bet on going the other way and 1:47:16.080 --> 1:47:18.320 trying to steal the rebound because I was like, damn, 1:47:19.240 --> 1:47:21.600 if the ball come this way, I'm dead anyway. So 1:47:21.680 --> 1:47:23.760 I'm thinking, if the ball goes out. Way I can. 1:47:23.920 --> 1:47:26.160 I can at least at least try and tip it 1:47:26.240 --> 1:47:29.280 somewhere right in your hands. 1:47:28.000 --> 1:47:29.880 The way it look. 1:47:30.000 --> 1:47:32.880 The ball came right, I said, oh, ship, grab the 1:47:32.880 --> 1:47:37.400 ball all right, bet, Bro, we get to we'll get 1:47:37.400 --> 1:47:39.760 to the time out. I can laugh about it now. 1:47:40.400 --> 1:47:42.559 How long before you How long did it take you 1:47:42.960 --> 1:47:45.400 to laugh about it? Because it was memes, it was 1:47:45.439 --> 1:47:46.840 all over the world. It's going to go down here. 1:47:46.840 --> 1:47:48.200 He lied about that ship that night. 1:47:48.320 --> 1:47:49.760 No, he did in the chata. 1:47:57.080 --> 1:47:59.320 Dude, Bro, I can't, don't. I'm not a person to 1:47:59.400 --> 1:48:01.720 hold on the ship. I'm not going hold on to 1:48:01.840 --> 1:48:05.799 no grudges. I'll never forget it, but I'm not gonna. 1:48:06.120 --> 1:48:09.439 Suck up the first time. 1:48:12.960 --> 1:48:13.439 We all. 1:48:15.200 --> 1:48:15.720 Messed up? 1:48:16.240 --> 1:48:17.200 So what was the time out? 1:48:17.280 --> 1:48:18.599 Like? Man? 1:48:19.560 --> 1:48:23.679 When I tell you it was like well, Brian asked, 1:48:24.920 --> 1:48:29.240 do we haven't? Oh my goodness, and nobody wanted to 1:48:29.280 --> 1:48:30.040 answer the question. 1:48:31.720 --> 1:48:32.840 I didn't want anything. 1:48:33.600 --> 1:48:36.160 I tell you, I'm telling him all the way. But 1:48:36.200 --> 1:48:39.679 what I'm telling him all the way to the bench. 1:48:39.760 --> 1:48:42.439 We gotta time out, I said, Bro, why do you 1:48:42.479 --> 1:48:44.360 need to just call time out? Why do you just 1:48:44.360 --> 1:48:46.800 call time out? That's why we was talking, Bro, he 1:48:46.920 --> 1:48:49.080 was like walking to the bench. I'm like he asked. 1:48:49.080 --> 1:48:50.880 He said, Yo, we gotta time out? Do we gotta 1:48:50.960 --> 1:48:53.240 time out? When I tell you? 1:48:54.160 --> 1:48:57.280 Some of the players just looked away, and the coaching 1:48:57.360 --> 1:49:00.679 staff looked like they could turn spook. Why as a ghost, 1:49:00.760 --> 1:49:05.000 bru I was like, oh ship, I replayed, I was. 1:49:04.960 --> 1:49:06.280 Crying in my in my room. 1:49:06.960 --> 1:49:07.559 How is crying? 1:49:07.640 --> 1:49:10.200 How did he get the downy picker up or paper towel? 1:49:10.320 --> 1:49:13.000 Like he has a house paper towel and just when 1:49:13.000 --> 1:49:15.400 he found out we had time as luck, he put 1:49:15.400 --> 1:49:17.280 it on his edge and back his face. When did 1:49:17.280 --> 1:49:18.839 he get the downy the quicker picker. 1:49:19.840 --> 1:49:22.240 That he always because he don't used the regular towels, 1:49:22.280 --> 1:49:23.360 you know, so he. 1:49:23.360 --> 1:49:26.840 Has a roll a quicker pickle down on the side. 1:49:27.000 --> 1:49:33.320 It ain't down there. I can't lie because I'm using. 1:49:35.000 --> 1:49:39.160 Ships work, using all the same toils and ship and 1:49:39.200 --> 1:49:41.040 you're trying to wash and I ain't trying with it. 1:49:41.479 --> 1:49:43.559 I saw that though all the coaches were spooked. 1:49:43.640 --> 1:49:45.080 I've seen it and. 1:49:45.640 --> 1:49:47.120 Want to say, got any time out? 1:49:47.200 --> 1:49:49.800 This is this is my thing though, like if it was, 1:49:49.960 --> 1:49:52.000 if it's my fault and you want to depend it 1:49:52.080 --> 1:49:52.680 on me, all right? 1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:53.080 Cool? 1:49:54.160 --> 1:49:55.240 Make me free throws. 1:49:55.240 --> 1:49:57.320 First g he will make the damn free throws. 1:49:57.320 --> 1:50:01.240 None of this, I mean, that's why it happens, you 1:50:01.280 --> 1:50:03.080 know what I'm saying. That's why I can't be mad 1:50:03.080 --> 1:50:05.360 at him for making the free show. We couldn't we 1:50:05.720 --> 1:50:07.200 we didn't have to be in a position to win 1:50:07.240 --> 1:50:07.519 the game. 1:50:07.600 --> 1:50:09.679 Yeah, had an incredible game, you know what I'm saying. 1:50:10.400 --> 1:50:14.080 So I hit TU that night. I was like, oh, man, bro, 1:50:14.320 --> 1:50:15.880 I don't even know what to say. He's like, Bro, 1:50:16.439 --> 1:50:18.840 what are you talking about. You made a basketball play, 1:50:18.920 --> 1:50:22.280 it didn't work out, and you mess and it happens. 1:50:22.640 --> 1:50:24.360 I was like, yeah, bro, but I should have shot 1:50:24.360 --> 1:50:26.760 the ball whatever whatever I said to him. He's like, man, 1:50:27.320 --> 1:50:29.720 but what if you ain't get the rebound? The game 1:50:29.720 --> 1:50:33.040 would have been over anyway. So I was like when 1:50:33.040 --> 1:50:36.439 I thought about that, I was like, well, yeah, right, 1:50:36.479 --> 1:50:40.200 at there's so many ship that could have happened, and 1:50:40.400 --> 1:50:43.479 what did happen? It happened and then we get swept anyway. 1:50:43.520 --> 1:50:46.680 So it was like we got okay, we won one game. 1:50:46.720 --> 1:50:48.920 Didn't want what is the difference? 1:50:48.960 --> 1:50:51.840 But that game won Broun that game he had, that's 1:50:51.840 --> 1:50:53.639 one of the best games of his career for sure. 1:50:53.920 --> 1:50:57.439 Wow, for sure, the wow I would have changed the 1:50:57.439 --> 1:50:59.120 whole series of bro if it. 1:50:59.000 --> 1:50:59.559 Was the fifth. 1:51:00.520 --> 1:51:01.960 Yeah, we'd be perfant on that right. 1:51:04.520 --> 1:51:09.439 Had balls Grandpa, and we got. 1:51:09.280 --> 1:51:14.120 The one and only Kevin Durant. Take me back to 1:51:14.760 --> 1:51:15.400 the finals. 1:51:15.800 --> 1:51:16.760 Yeah, last year. 1:51:17.120 --> 1:51:20.400 And I say sometimes as athletes, we need to be 1:51:20.439 --> 1:51:22.080 protected from ourselves because at the end of the day, 1:51:22.080 --> 1:51:22.680 we got that. 1:51:22.800 --> 1:51:23.200 Say. 1:51:23.520 --> 1:51:24.120 You know what I mean. 1:51:24.240 --> 1:51:27.040 So you're on the brink of your third straight title 1:51:28.479 --> 1:51:31.680 Finals MVP the prior to years, tell me where your 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:34.800 mindset was to come back and try to help your 1:51:34.840 --> 1:51:35.519 team get. 1:51:35.360 --> 1:51:35.880 Over that hup. 1:51:36.040 --> 1:51:38.559 I mean, as I started getting healthy, I started, you know, 1:51:38.600 --> 1:51:40.400 having these pictures in my mind about what it would 1:51:40.400 --> 1:51:42.120 be like to come back from down three to one. 1:51:42.880 --> 1:51:44.360 I know for a fact, I wasn't gonna. 1:51:44.160 --> 1:51:47.840 Get finals MVP, but seeing you know, Steph get that 1:51:47.920 --> 1:51:50.960 moment I was looking forward to, or Clay whoever it 1:51:51.040 --> 1:51:53.320 was at that time I was looking for. I was 1:51:53.320 --> 1:51:55.320 just picturing so much in my mind. At that point, 1:51:55.320 --> 1:51:57.640 it's just great things happening. If I stepped back on 1:51:57.680 --> 1:51:59.840 the court, and you know it started to turn that 1:52:00.200 --> 1:52:04.880 first you know what I'm saying, Like you know I 1:52:04.920 --> 1:52:06.880 could tell. I can tell you know, when I went 1:52:06.920 --> 1:52:09.400 back to the bench to confidence, my teammates had the 1:52:09.439 --> 1:52:12.400 whole organization, Like I could look down and see, you know, 1:52:12.840 --> 1:52:15.880 our fans and E forty, everybody just had a sense 1:52:15.880 --> 1:52:19.800 of like, man, back I knew the fans back in 1:52:19.840 --> 1:52:22.200 the bay was just so excited that I was playing again. 1:52:22.360 --> 1:52:22.519 You know. 1:52:22.600 --> 1:52:24.040 It was just a life is crazy. 1:52:24.080 --> 1:52:25.759 You know, you can be on that high so fast 1:52:25.800 --> 1:52:27.639 and then a matter of second you go back down. 1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:30.840 I'm grateful for it. It's fucked up that I had 1:52:30.840 --> 1:52:32.800 to go through, but I'm also grateful that I can 1:52:32.840 --> 1:52:35.320 experience it because down the line, I can be able 1:52:35.360 --> 1:52:37.280 to speak on how much it helped me as a 1:52:37.320 --> 1:52:38.120 player in the person. 1:52:38.280 --> 1:52:42.360 What was it like once you went down, knowing you're down, 1:52:42.400 --> 1:52:45.880 and then seeing Clay go down, and then the Raptors 1:52:45.880 --> 1:52:48.240 winning a championship, knowing that should have been your guys' 1:52:48.560 --> 1:52:49.280 third in row. 1:52:50.040 --> 1:52:51.519 Yeah, it was rough. 1:52:51.720 --> 1:52:54.960 It was rough because I feel like throughout the season 1:52:55.040 --> 1:52:57.640 we could have definitely we could have locked in a 1:52:57.680 --> 1:53:00.000 little bit earlier for the playoffs, and I feel like 1:53:00.439 --> 1:53:03.759 and I feel like when we getting down to that moment, 1:53:03.800 --> 1:53:05.800 it was just like damn it, you know, having me 1:53:05.840 --> 1:53:08.160 and play out and not winning the championship out the 1:53:08.240 --> 1:53:10.880 planning for so long, just like that's just that's just 1:53:10.920 --> 1:53:13.360 how the gods work. That's just how the games work sometimes. 1:53:13.400 --> 1:53:16.439 And just like throughout the regular season, I really wish 1:53:16.520 --> 1:53:18.519 that we'd have locked in a little bit more, you 1:53:18.520 --> 1:53:20.559 know what I mean, it had a little bit more 1:53:20.600 --> 1:53:23.360 game playing, a little bit more focused going into the season, 1:53:23.760 --> 1:53:26.120 so that like it didn't have to end that way, 1:53:26.160 --> 1:53:27.680 you know what I'm saying. It's like we waited so 1:53:27.760 --> 1:53:30.920 long just for that moment instead of like each game 1:53:31.040 --> 1:53:33.559 was important, you know, even in the regular season, even 1:53:33.560 --> 1:53:35.639 in the first round, Like we waited for so long 1:53:35.760 --> 1:53:37.479 just for the finals, and it happened that way. It 1:53:37.520 --> 1:53:39.640 was it was like it made me think about the 1:53:39.680 --> 1:53:41.400 whole season as a whole. 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:43.320 That's a gift in the curse, you know what I mean. 1:53:43.360 --> 1:53:46.200 Because for them it was a five year run to 1:53:46.320 --> 1:53:49.320 know that, Bro, we're gonna be playing till June every year. 1:53:49.840 --> 1:53:51.439 So it's kind of like, you know, I mean, it's 1:53:51.479 --> 1:53:52.760 a lot of basketball. 1:53:52.760 --> 1:53:53.760 It's a lot, you know what I mean. 1:53:53.880 --> 1:53:57.040 And I didn't realize that until, you know, until we 1:53:57.080 --> 1:53:59.400 started getting into the playoffs and we played Houston and 1:53:59.439 --> 1:54:01.320 it was just like, Ship, this is the third year 1:54:02.000 --> 1:54:04.120 of us making this run. It's tough, and so two 1:54:04.120 --> 1:54:07.960 more years before that, I know mentally, you know, training, 1:54:08.080 --> 1:54:10.800 it's draining, raining, and I got it, but it was like, Ship, 1:54:10.840 --> 1:54:13.240 it's right in our hands, it's right there for us 1:54:13.280 --> 1:54:15.439 to get a three p It hasn't happened in a while, 1:54:15.560 --> 1:54:18.040 so you know, is that it's that point where I 1:54:18.080 --> 1:54:19.720 was like, let's just fucking lock in and do it. 1:54:21.040 --> 1:54:21.080 H