WEBVTT - Assassination Week #1: How ETA Launched Spain's First Astronaut 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:12.400 Welcome to Assassination Week. P Bang Bang time, lix, pulsive device, etcetera. Hello, 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.040 welcome to Assassination Week. I hope you like that intro 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.320 from our good friend when we commissioned to do that 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.480 intro from some big props to them for giving us 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.440 like ten seconds of their time to record that intro. Wow, 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.880 it's it's been so long since we've been planning to 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:35.880 do this, yep, but here we are talking about killing people. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.520 It's great because when we first thought of Assassination Week, 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.000 we're like, how are we going to fill five episodes there? 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.319 And then there's like so many more assassinations happened there 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:53.800 were there were to the next day. Yeah, yeah, we've 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.080 we've decided to stop imagining things into the ether and yeah, 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:04.720 and so maybe Assassination Month. It's me who knows. Hey, well, 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.080 here's the thing. If if people keep getting assassinated, we 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.360 will do more assassination episodes. That is the way it works. Yep. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.959 That's that is sadly part of our job. So we've 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.160 already done one. I guess we did. We did shinzo 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.600 Ab a little bit, but we're coming back to him. Yeah, 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:24.600 we're gonna we're gonna do. We're gonna later because we 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.320 have a lot more context information about the assassination now, 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.039 but that that is later this week. So we have 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:34.520 we have five episodes all about assassinations, most of which 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.880 have happened or tried to happen this year. Most most 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.880 of these are gonna be pretty pretty topical. Yeah, mine 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:47.800 is not so well. I mean, look, we got we 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.520 gotta we we we we got, we got, we got 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.040 to start with the historical assassination. We can't we we 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.600 can't completely have it be just randomly jumping back and 0:01:55.640 --> 0:02:00.360 forward between times. There has to be some kind of logic. Well, 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.840 the assassination is a logic. But yeah, today we're talking 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:10.400 about Eta Basque nationalist leftist group and more specifically, I 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:16.000 guess they're Operation Agro, the killing of Luis Carrero Blanco 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:21.200 in Spain in nineteen seventy three. It's like, obviously not 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.200 very very current. It's often pointed to is like a 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.400 very influential assassination, right, one that made a difference and 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.680 made a change. Often it's called the only thing that 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:36.040 ever did to advance the cause of Spanish democracy, which 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.320 I think, like this is not and I'm sorry if 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.840 you think that they're like based leftist terrorists. This is 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.440 not not a generally as as an organization. We don't 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.120 like people who murder journalists. That's one of us dances. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.800 And so there's going to be a little bit of 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.600 context around this that we need to give first. So 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.079 maybe if we kick off with who they are and 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.760 then we can talk about that assassination in particular. How 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.400 familiar folks do we think with with Eta? What do 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.639 people know about him in US? Not at all? Yeah, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:10.480 people all eat Okay, I think well they're they're I 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.960 think they're famous for this asascination and for having literally 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:18.079 the worst outfits I've ever seen in my entire that 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.280 that that the combination of like the face mask in 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.880 the beret is like one of the most unfortunate things 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.960 I've ever seen. It is hideous. It is you you've 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:32.120 got just just wear the mask. It's cooler a batch. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:36.040 It's awful, truly dogshit. Okay, Chris, come in with the 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.760 fashion police early on. I say, where what you want. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.320 I think you will look great and really alienating ski 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.960 mask and beret audience right at the start. So if 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.200 you've if you've managed to, you know, stick around through 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:52.720 that hate speech. We're going to talk about eta. They do, Yeah, 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.080 they do like to wear a ski mask. It's part 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.360 of an esthetic, isn't it though, Like that's an aesthetic 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:02.960 of like I guess eighties terrorism. That is like like 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:09.480 woodland pattern kind of DPU camoufly, dBm camouflage, a cheap 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:14.480 black schemask, balaclava and a berry like sometimes you can 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.120 pick two of those things. But it's definitely like a 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.800 vibe from that time period. M I wonder, I wonder 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.800 why none of these groups worked. It must have nothing 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.880 to do with the fashion, to be fair, the Zapatista's 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.840 big scheme mask. Maybe it's the bubble. Maybe the bubble 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.760 is what sets then Yeah, no, it's it's it's the 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.080 fact that yet you don't wear the barret on the 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:38.960 scheme mask necess because they just wear the masks. Yeah, okay, Yeah, 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:40.600 I think we're we're united, and I believe that the 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.640 Zapatistas look cool and in many ways are cool. In fact, 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.000 we're not talking about them today, we're talking about it. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.480 So it's an acronym, right, Um, it's an acronym in 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.680 Scara or Basque. I don't I don't speak Basque. It's 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.560 a very hard language for me to learn. At least 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.240 I'm not going to say it's a hard language too length. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:04:59.680 I think it depends on who you are, but it 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.120 is and that I have historically struggled with understanding. It 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:09.200 does have a generous smattering of xs, and so you know, 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.120 if you're seeing it out there, good luck to you. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.280 I will try and pronounce things as respectfully as I can. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.160 I spent a lot of time in the Basque country 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.839 by Graceeing. I really really love bast people. They're very nice. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.360 I enjoy their food and their cider and their countryside. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.480 But today we're talking about this group Escot. It stands 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:33.880 for you scadi to askatasuna, which means like Basque homeland 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.320 and liberty, which they were going to call it ata, 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.680 but in certain backdown dialects that means duck, so they 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.720 moved away from that. That would have been so much 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.680 funnier write you've been ducked, but they didn't do that. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.680 They right from the get go they were about like 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:53.200 like this dual process right of politics and political violence. 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.880 Their slogan means keep up on both sides, and their 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.919 logo is like a snake wrapped around the acts. The 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.960 snake is politics the actors access I guess political violence, terrorism, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.400 whatever you want to call it. And over the years 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:10.159 of action, they killed people so that they were pretty 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.479 serious terrorist group, right, Like I can't I don't know 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.600 how many people the ira A killed, but I'm thinking 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.280 of groups in there. I don't think it would be 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.480 that many killed. Like I think they killed like over 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.680 a thousand. Okay, Well, I mean I said, like the 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.680 entire troubles killed thirty so it's like a not in 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.320 significant fraction of that. Yeah, I mean the British government 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.920 did a decent amount of that and definitely yeah, but 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:33.640 like it's a not in significant fraction of the total 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.039 number of people who died in the troubles, So they're 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.800 not like nothing, no, but like it's only up there. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.840 And look, this is much of a similar thing as 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.960 we're going to see right where the Spanish state killed 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.360 a lot of people too, and sort of armed groups 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:52.400 acting in sort of coalition with the Spanish state. It's 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.880 the safest way to say that, but certainly with the 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.839 complicity of the Spanish state played a large part in this, 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.720 this dirty war that ETA conducted with the Spanish state. Right, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.840 and to understand them, you have to understand a little 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:10.040 bit about Basque nationalism, early Basque nationalism. We we can 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.480 like find the guy who really constructs the idea of 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.840 a Basque nation, right, and Sabina is the guy. Um 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.800 he takes what is like a language, it's a very 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:23.480 old language, right, predates Latin and places where that language 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.240 is spoken, and takes it from like these are the 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.400 areas where this language is spoken to, like this is 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.880 our nation. And all nations are created, right, Like nations 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.240 don't come from the primordial soup, Like we don't evolve 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.080 into one nation or another an abrogation. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:43.600 they they're constructed by like entrepreneurs identity, which war leads 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.160 to some kind of false consciousness, one might say, to 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.040 maybe distract people from other things. But that's the right 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:57.720 Zapatistas watches, that's the yeah, yeah, we're coming for you 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:09.920 with a work mob. We're going to cancel you. Nations 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.520 begin to exist when religion losers a claim on university 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.880 nandas in the speed and we don't need to go 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.840 into the history of nationalism particularly, it's important people to 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.320 know where the Basque land is. So the Basque Land 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.880 is in the northwest of Spain and the southwest of France. Right, 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.920 it's these provinces where historically they're mountainous provinces. People there 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.520 were often shepherds. You'll often find Basque people in the 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.439 United States like growing wine or doing cheap herding, and 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.160 that's their sort of historical images themselves. And they speak 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:44.040 this Basque language. Right. So ETA come onto the scene 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:52.040 as a Basque nationalist leftist group, Like they sort of 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:56.000 have some elements of Marxism, but they're obviously like nationalist. Um. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.840 They they center, they don't center Catholicism, which is what 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.360 previous Basque nationalisms have done. Right, Previous Basque nationalisms have 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.880 been elite constructs that centered language, poetry and the Catholic identity. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:14.360 Don't do that. They have this that's where they're slightly better. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.520 right there. They're better than like the Carlists, who are 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.320 like things went wrong when Spain moved away from this 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.920 line of royal secession and we need to go back 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:27.199 to that and like extreme religious totalitarianism and a monarchy. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.240 Like they're better than that. I feel pretty comfortable saying that. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.360 And they've done some cool stuff that they used to 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:39.400 kidnap bosses who refused to negotiate with striking workers, which 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.280 like I know, watch out rail rail company owners. But 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.800 they they definitely have like a leftist lean, right, they 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.400 have this sort of pan third world is idea, this 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:55.520 pan sort of colonized people idea. They begin assassinating people 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.720 when they take revenge for this guy who's called Chabby 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.760 at stabata Um. You can look at that name if 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.080 you want to see some ex is in the name. 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:09.120 But they they kill the local chief of police. Right. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.560 What happened is Barrietta, and this was a guy we're 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.800 killed by a policeman. The police stop them at a roadblock, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.920 they run away the police, the police shoot them. In response, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.400 they kidnapped the local chief of police who has probably 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.640 been torturing people. Right like that, you have to understand 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.360 that all this is happening in the context of a 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:31.840 Spanish state, which is extremely violent and repressive. And they 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:36.360 kill this guy right with this Franco right, yes, no so, 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:40.360 but they begin under Franco. Right, so they and their 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:44.320 support probably peaks under Franco, right, like they What what 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.160 we're going to see is actually they are somewhat integral 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.880 to not bringing down the Franco regime, and in a sense, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.280 Spain never does bring down the Franco regime, right and 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.240 I want to get into that a little bit, but 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.960 in destabilizing the Franco regime, and they certainly there was 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:06.200 more support for this kind of political violence when the 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:10.720 state is so obviously like undemocratic, unjust and incredibly violent 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:15.120 towards people, right, so they when they're killing members as 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.840 a guard Seville, these are people who are torturing prisoners, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.800 right A. Prisoners pretty often when they're captured, turn up 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.560 tortured in court, like very obviously that they have been 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.600 victims of beatings and physical violence, right, A lot of 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:34.040 things you'll see. They also kidnapped this guy, forget it. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:35.960 He's one of the founders of Vox, and they kept 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.040 him in a seller for months and months and months 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.640 and months. They like, I don't I don't like Vox, 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.720 but they also don't like lucking people and sellers, So 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.520 two things can be bad. And Vox is a right 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:50.320 wing populist Spanish party, if people aren't familiar. They also 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:51.920 did a lot of extortion. They also did a lot 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.920 of extorting local businesses, right they called it the Revolutionary tax. 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:57.760 So they got into some sort of more classic kind 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:02.440 of organized crime stuff there. And but the assassination we 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:07.679 want to talk about today is so the way they 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:12.000 do this is they rent this flat right there, that's 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.520 an apartment for American listeners. And they rent this flat 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.640 claimed to be students, like sculpting students, right, like they 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.199 were art students, were into sculpture. That's that's why we're 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.160 covered in dust every day and we and we wear 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:31.520 these overrules. And for five months they spend every day 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.559 digging a tunnel underneath the road by their flat, right, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:40.880 and in that tunnel they packs of explosive. And what 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.040 they're doing there is they're waiting for this guy, Luis 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.080 Carrero Blanco to come in his car, which he travels 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.839 in every day, right, and they're gonna explode that explosive 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.319 and they're going to kill him. The reason they want 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.320 to kill him is because they say that he is 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:59.120 the the best example of pure fascism. Right. He's a 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:04.800 former admiral, he's Spain's sort of prime minister. He's Franco's 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.079 chosen successor, right, so he's going to take over from Franco. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:12.120 And so by killing him, they're able to destabilize the 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.280 whole Franco Regimer. Franco cries in public when he finds 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.400 out cal Blanco is dead, and so spoiler alert, career 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.520 Blanco is extremely dead. The way they did this is 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.640 they dressed up as electricians, which is also a lot 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.600 of dressing up in this which is kind of fun. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.360 And they painted a little line on a wall to 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.000 be like, Okay, when the car gets to here, we 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.040 explode it. So the car gets to there, they explode it. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.000 They launched this car over a church and it lands 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:45.359 on the second floor terraces on the other side. Sometimes 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.640 this is called like the Basque Space program or Luis 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:55.120 Carrero Blanco is referred to as Spain's first astronaut. Yeah, 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.040 you can find a picture of it. It is his 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:04.440 hysterical the core like it's just it just goes. So yeah, 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.760 it's it's periodically in Spain, like someone will be prosecuted 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.480 for making this joke. This Spain's first astronaut joke. And 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.680 so it happened someone pretty recently and she had really 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.120 made it a thing of making jokes. Actually, I think 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.760 his I think it's his grandchildren have noted that it's 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.560 a problematic restriction of free speech that the people keep 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.320 getting prosecuted for this. And the court recently found that 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.040 they weren't mocking his family or his memory, but they 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.920 were just pointing the objectively funny way in which he died, which, 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.720 you know, great for the court to agree that it 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:43.000 was objectively funny that a terrible fucking person died by 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:48.040 being blown literally sky high, and it's his driver and 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.600 his bodyguard were also killed. Shouldn't be a bodyguard for 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:57.360 a piece of shit. But they THETA guys had disguised 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.880 themselves of electricans. After the bomb went off, they ran 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.160 around shouting, Oh no, we've hit a gas pipe, like 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:07.360 there's been a gas explosion. Every everybody clear out. YEA 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:14.160 was yeah, so pretty pretty entertaining stuff, acting as their 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.240 side passion, I guess, and and like the reason they 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.960 did if they did a pressor not longer afterwards, wearing 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.520 their outfits, which some of you may find offensive, and 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:27.120 they they cited like his irreplaceable place in the hierarchy 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.160 right and him being this they called him a pure 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:34.840 Franco list and oddly like ETA were not. At this point, 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.960 they were less unpopular than they became later because they 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.600 weren't doing quite as much extortion and they hadn't been 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.800 engaging in quite as many murders of journalists, right and 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.720 and you used to see this. I'll get to that later. Actually, 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.880 they got grudging praise from almost everyone for doing this, 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.120 right and because it really does destabilize and kind of 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.280 keep their legs out from under the Franco regime. And 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.000 it makes Franco cry, which I think is a laudable goal, 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:03.400 like it's good to Franco cry Franco crime or so 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.800 they well it kind of it kind of it kind 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.360 of astomizes the Franco a state, right between people who 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.080 are like this bunker tendency who want to go hardcore 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.360 and crack down, and those who are like, we don't 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.400 have the ability to crack down, like we'll lose all 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.520 popular support if we do that, and it really sort 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.720 of vaporizes the consensus for what to do after Franco dies, 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:28.760 which he does a few years later. I want to 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.760 point out that people will you'll read these articles on 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.880 like the popular news websites or like you know, like 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.400 hot take websites where they're like, oh, this carbon launched 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:43.160 Spain it's a democracy. I don't do that. I think 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.720 first of all, the major r with that is the 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:50.000 idea that Spain quote unquote transition to democracy. When you 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.640 have a pacted transition where the people who did the 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.240 war crimes in the previous regime specifically not prosecuted an 0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:00.160 exempt from prosecution, that's not what democracy looks like. I 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.200 think the most accurate way of just driving west Spain 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:07.520 is is a post dictator like a post dictatorship, and 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.560 Spain is still there now that we see that with 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.680 these prosecutions for mocking him, right with the fact that 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.960 there are people in Spain who are still in prison 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.800 from mocking the crown, like, that's not what democracies do. 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:24.399 Good thing that could never happen in Britain. Yeah, yeah, okay, 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:28.680 you won't find you won't find me defending that either, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.040 But we don't. We don't make a big industry of 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:36.560 talking about Britain's transition to democracy. Maybe don't talk about 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.800 transitions at all, given the powerful turf discourse in Britain. 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.920 But yeah, I think it's problematic that that folks talk 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.520 about this like, yeah, it spin his fixed, like Spain 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.720 has some dark ship that it needs to process like 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.640 it was not until the middle of the last decade 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.280 that we started exhuming the graves from the civil war. 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.800 And that's still highly contentious, right, you still have a 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.640 political party that doesn't want do that. Spain is still 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:05.359 processing the fact that the Catholic Church took babies away 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.560 from people who had considered to be leftist and gave 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.639 them to people who it considered to be more appropriate 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.760 to raise them. It's called Nino bios if you want 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.639 to look it up. Yes, Spain not transitioning to to democracy. 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.439 And I want to make like that very clear. Some 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:23.240 of the other ship that Etta does is really this 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.359 is where they start to lose any any claim to 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.959 being like a liberation movement, right Like they bombed anpair 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.800 Core that's like bombing a target for American folks in 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.280 Barcelona and they killed twenty one people. Now I will 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:43.000 say this isn't this is exemplary bad policing. They called 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:44.800 the cops and we're like, hey, we've put a bomb 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.200 Underneas the supermarket. You will ought to clear it out. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.160 And the cops were like, I can't tell if that's 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.280 a real threat or not. And as a result, did 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:56.439 do anything and as a result the bomb went off. 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.160 I think he's a supermarket and twenty one people died. Right, 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:04.200 They also did a newspaper in Catalonia beforehand. Reporters Without 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.639 Borders still for a long time classified Spain as a 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.360 place that was hostile to journalists because of the attacks 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.920 on journalists by Etta. Right. Also, the state isn't hostile 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.239 to journalism, but I want to point out that they 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.120 killed journalists, they killed university professors who disagreed with them, 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.320 they killed local counselors, and it was some of these, 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.320 like these very unpopular murders which really sort of strip 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:32.200 support from them. And one thing that the Spanish state did. 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.040 A couple of things the Spanish state did that really 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:41.280 were extremely repressive against Etta was they would move Basque 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.800 prisoners out of the Basque homeland and sort of hold 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.840 them thousands of miles away from their families, like in 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.439 the Canary Islands and ship like they're probably closer to 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.840 Africa than you are to to your your home country 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.760 when they do that, right, and you would often see 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.720 I don't know if maybe you guys have seen this. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.200 It's a white flag. It's got an outline of the basquetland. 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.480 It's got an arrow and it says aria, have you 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:10.239 seen that like protests? Now if you if you've been 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.600 at the protests, I is that like you know, in 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.120 like the early two thousands in Europe, you would see 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.080 that flag a lot. It just means Basque prisoners to 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.960 the Basque homeland. Like a lot of people got behind 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:21.639 that who might not have got behind other things that 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:23.960 ETA did, right, but it does seem deeply inhumane to 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.199 move these people so far away from their families. It's 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:30.240 sort of an extra punishment. The Spanish state also had 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:35.040 this thing called gal gal Is groupo anti terroristadi li 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:40.159 braction so I guess like anti terrorists liberation group. And 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.440 these were desquads right, These were discord dated and inverted 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:49.000 by the police. Etta enjoyed like a safe space in France, 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.920 I guess, or like at freedom for prosecution. Certainly under Franco. 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:56.560 France was like, you know what, Franco really sucks, So 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.600 you guys go ahead and send it. Do your terrorism 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.800 about a clauvist. I'm sure the French also objected to 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:09.520 their beret style, but this is this same space. It's 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.560 basically what they said, Yeah, yeah, this is like a 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.400 whole thing with Midterrand in France in the seventies, like 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.040 France kind of became this weird like like they basically 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:20.959 had this, they had this open policy. Were like there 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.280 was a bunch of well, they're there're a bunch of 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.520 people in Italy who got like falsely accused of like 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.240 being the Red Brigades. What's that guy's name, the guy 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.080 negri An Toto who's like a kind of famous. This 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.520 theory kind of sucks by the end, but like they 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.720 arrest him for like being a terrorist, and then he 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.600 gets himself elected to parliament so we can get parliamentary immunity, 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.840 and then flees the country to France. Yea, yeah, this 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.679 was a weird time. Was in Carlos Jackal also in 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:52.320 Paris for a while. Yeah, yeah, you love it, france 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:55.000 open door policy to terrorists, Like this is this is 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.040 this is the only cool thing France has done since 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.720 Like yeah, yeah, you're not wrong. They invented parkour. When 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.720 was that, Oh that was like in the resident xt Okay, 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:08.399 there you go. Okay, so the second cool thing, you're 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.560 going to hand that to them? Yeah, they'll tend that 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.919 to the entire country of Reds. Yeah, maybe not actually, 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:19.639 given their treatment of migrant deaspirts in recent years. And 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.600 sometimes the firefighters will go out and beat the ship 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:26.200 into the police. That's true. Do you think we all 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:39.359 have to give that to them? I wanted to maybe 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:44.000 end with this quote from Supercomman Anti Marcos. So we've 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:49.560 talked a little bit about So this is from a 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.399 piece code I shipped upon this, I shipped upon the 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:59.240 Revolutionary Vanguards of the Earth. Yeah, it's something. Yeah. All 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.600 the titles are like having problems translating total in bundo, 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:07.679 which is like yeah, if you I couldn't find it 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.560 written in the original Spanish. Maybe that's just because I 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:13.480 was googling wrong and I didn't put a lot of 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:14.760 time in it. But I found so many of the 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:18.320 Zapatist text of preserves better in these weird English translations. 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:19.639 And I don't know if they're written in English, it's 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:21.760 supposed to be posible. They're written in English the first time. 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:23.800 I don't. I don't think this one. I think I 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:26.359 think these. I think this particular one is a translation. Okay, 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:31.160 but yeah, yeah, yeah, I've tried to find in Spanish. Actually, 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:32.840 But so I'm just going to go with a translation. 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:35.880 I think it's probably from lib Calm or a similar 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:41.520 website with like aging red and black asthetic vibes. But 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:44.680 I love those websites, so it's had a bit on 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:47.080 I hope you'll enjoy it. We don't see why we 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:48.920 should have like the ETA or kind of like reaching 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:52.560