1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Assassination Week. P Bang Bang time, lix, pulsive device, etcetera. Hello, 2 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: welcome to Assassination Week. I hope you like that intro 3 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: from our good friend when we commissioned to do that 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: intro from some big props to them for giving us 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: like ten seconds of their time to record that intro. Wow, 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: it's it's been so long since we've been planning to 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: do this, yep, but here we are talking about killing people. 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: It's great because when we first thought of Assassination Week, 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: we're like, how are we going to fill five episodes there? 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 1: And then there's like so many more assassinations happened there 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: were there were to the next day. Yeah, yeah, we've 12 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: we've decided to stop imagining things into the ether and yeah, 13 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: and so maybe Assassination Month. It's me who knows. Hey, well, 14 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: here's the thing. If if people keep getting assassinated, we 15 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: will do more assassination episodes. That is the way it works. Yep. 16 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: That's that is sadly part of our job. So we've 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: already done one. I guess we did. We did shinzo 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: Ab a little bit, but we're coming back to him. Yeah, 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do. We're gonna later because we 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: have a lot more context information about the assassination now, 21 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: but that that is later this week. So we have 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: we have five episodes all about assassinations, most of which 23 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: have happened or tried to happen this year. Most most 24 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: of these are gonna be pretty pretty topical. Yeah, mine 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: is not so well. I mean, look, we got we 26 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: gotta we we we we got, we got, we got 27 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: to start with the historical assassination. We can't we we 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: can't completely have it be just randomly jumping back and 29 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: forward between times. There has to be some kind of logic. Well, 30 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: the assassination is a logic. But yeah, today we're talking 31 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: about Eta Basque nationalist leftist group and more specifically, I 32 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: guess they're Operation Agro, the killing of Luis Carrero Blanco 33 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: in Spain in nineteen seventy three. It's like, obviously not 34 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: very very current. It's often pointed to is like a 35 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: very influential assassination, right, one that made a difference and 36 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: made a change. Often it's called the only thing that 37 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: ever did to advance the cause of Spanish democracy, which 38 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: I think, like this is not and I'm sorry if 39 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: you think that they're like based leftist terrorists. This is 40 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: not not a generally as as an organization. We don't 41 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: like people who murder journalists. That's one of us dances. 42 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: And so there's going to be a little bit of 43 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: context around this that we need to give first. So 44 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: maybe if we kick off with who they are and 45 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: then we can talk about that assassination in particular. How 46 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: familiar folks do we think with with Eta? What do 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: people know about him in US? Not at all? Yeah, 48 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: people all eat Okay, I think well they're they're I 49 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: think they're famous for this asascination and for having literally 50 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: the worst outfits I've ever seen in my entire that 51 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: that that the combination of like the face mask in 52 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: the beret is like one of the most unfortunate things 53 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. It is hideous. It is you you've 54 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: got just just wear the mask. It's cooler a batch. 55 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: It's awful, truly dogshit. Okay, Chris, come in with the 56 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: fashion police early on. I say, where what you want. 57 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: I think you will look great and really alienating ski 58 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: mask and beret audience right at the start. So if 59 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: you've if you've managed to, you know, stick around through 60 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: that hate speech. We're going to talk about eta. They do, Yeah, 61 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: they do like to wear a ski mask. It's part 62 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: of an esthetic, isn't it though, Like that's an aesthetic 63 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: of like I guess eighties terrorism. That is like like 64 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: woodland pattern kind of DPU camoufly, dBm camouflage, a cheap 65 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: black schemask, balaclava and a berry like sometimes you can 66 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: pick two of those things. But it's definitely like a 67 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: vibe from that time period. M I wonder, I wonder 68 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: why none of these groups worked. It must have nothing 69 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: to do with the fashion, to be fair, the Zapatista's 70 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: big scheme mask. Maybe it's the bubble. Maybe the bubble 71 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: is what sets then Yeah, no, it's it's it's the 72 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: fact that yet you don't wear the barret on the 73 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: scheme mask necess because they just wear the masks. Yeah, okay, Yeah, 74 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: I think we're we're united, and I believe that the 75 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: Zapatistas look cool and in many ways are cool. In fact, 76 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: we're not talking about them today, we're talking about it. 77 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: So it's an acronym, right, Um, it's an acronym in 78 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: Scara or Basque. I don't I don't speak Basque. It's 79 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: a very hard language for me to learn. At least 80 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it's a hard language too length. 81 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: I think it depends on who you are, but it 82 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: is and that I have historically struggled with understanding. It 83 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: does have a generous smattering of xs, and so you know, 84 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: if you're seeing it out there, good luck to you. 85 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: I will try and pronounce things as respectfully as I can. 86 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in the Basque country 87 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: by Graceeing. I really really love bast people. They're very nice. 88 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: I enjoy their food and their cider and their countryside. 89 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: But today we're talking about this group Escot. It stands 90 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: for you scadi to askatasuna, which means like Basque homeland 91 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: and liberty, which they were going to call it ata, 92 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: but in certain backdown dialects that means duck, so they 93 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: moved away from that. That would have been so much 94 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: funnier write you've been ducked, but they didn't do that. 95 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: They right from the get go they were about like 96 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: like this dual process right of politics and political violence. 97 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: Their slogan means keep up on both sides, and their 98 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: logo is like a snake wrapped around the acts. The 99 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: snake is politics the actors access I guess political violence, terrorism, 100 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. And over the years 101 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: of action, they killed people so that they were pretty 102 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: serious terrorist group, right, Like I can't I don't know 103 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: how many people the ira A killed, but I'm thinking 104 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: of groups in there. I don't think it would be 105 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: that many killed. Like I think they killed like over 106 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: a thousand. Okay, Well, I mean I said, like the 107 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: entire troubles killed thirty so it's like a not in 108 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: significant fraction of that. Yeah, I mean the British government 109 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: did a decent amount of that and definitely yeah, but 110 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: like it's a not in significant fraction of the total 111 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: number of people who died in the troubles, So they're 112 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: not like nothing, no, but like it's only up there. 113 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: And look, this is much of a similar thing as 114 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: we're going to see right where the Spanish state killed 115 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people too, and sort of armed groups 116 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: acting in sort of coalition with the Spanish state. It's 117 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: the safest way to say that, but certainly with the 118 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: complicity of the Spanish state played a large part in this, 119 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: this dirty war that ETA conducted with the Spanish state. Right, 120 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: and to understand them, you have to understand a little 121 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: bit about Basque nationalism, early Basque nationalism. We we can 122 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: like find the guy who really constructs the idea of 123 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: a Basque nation, right, and Sabina is the guy. Um 124 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: he takes what is like a language, it's a very 125 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: old language, right, predates Latin and places where that language 126 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: is spoken, and takes it from like these are the 127 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: areas where this language is spoken to, like this is 128 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: our nation. And all nations are created, right, Like nations 129 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: don't come from the primordial soup, Like we don't evolve 130 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: into one nation or another an abrogation. Yeah yeah, yeah, 131 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: they they're constructed by like entrepreneurs identity, which war leads 132 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: to some kind of false consciousness, one might say, to 133 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: maybe distract people from other things. But that's the right 134 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: Zapatistas watches, that's the yeah, yeah, we're coming for you 135 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: with a work mob. We're going to cancel you. Nations 136 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: begin to exist when religion losers a claim on university 137 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: nandas in the speed and we don't need to go 138 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: into the history of nationalism particularly, it's important people to 139 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: know where the Basque land is. So the Basque Land 140 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: is in the northwest of Spain and the southwest of France. Right, 141 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: it's these provinces where historically they're mountainous provinces. People there 142 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: were often shepherds. You'll often find Basque people in the 143 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: United States like growing wine or doing cheap herding, and 144 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: that's their sort of historical images themselves. And they speak 145 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: this Basque language. Right. So ETA come onto the scene 146 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: as a Basque nationalist leftist group, Like they sort of 147 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: have some elements of Marxism, but they're obviously like nationalist. Um. 148 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: They they center, they don't center Catholicism, which is what 149 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: previous Basque nationalisms have done. Right, Previous Basque nationalisms have 150 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: been elite constructs that centered language, poetry and the Catholic identity. 151 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: Don't do that. They have this that's where they're slightly better. Yeah, yeah, 152 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: right there. They're better than like the Carlists, who are 153 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: like things went wrong when Spain moved away from this 154 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: line of royal secession and we need to go back 155 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: to that and like extreme religious totalitarianism and a monarchy. 156 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Like they're better than that. I feel pretty comfortable saying that. 157 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: And they've done some cool stuff that they used to 158 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: kidnap bosses who refused to negotiate with striking workers, which 159 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: like I know, watch out rail rail company owners. But 160 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: they they definitely have like a leftist lean, right, they 161 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: have this sort of pan third world is idea, this 162 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: pan sort of colonized people idea. They begin assassinating people 163 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: when they take revenge for this guy who's called Chabby 164 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: at stabata Um. You can look at that name if 165 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: you want to see some ex is in the name. 166 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: But they they kill the local chief of police. Right. 167 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: What happened is Barrietta, and this was a guy we're 168 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: killed by a policeman. The police stop them at a roadblock, 169 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: they run away the police, the police shoot them. In response, 170 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: they kidnapped the local chief of police who has probably 171 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: been torturing people. Right like that, you have to understand 172 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: that all this is happening in the context of a 173 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: Spanish state, which is extremely violent and repressive. And they 174 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: kill this guy right with this Franco right, yes, no so, 175 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: but they begin under Franco. Right, so they and their 176 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: support probably peaks under Franco, right, like they What what 177 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: we're going to see is actually they are somewhat integral 178 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: to not bringing down the Franco regime, and in a sense, 179 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: Spain never does bring down the Franco regime, right and 180 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: I want to get into that a little bit, but 181 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: in destabilizing the Franco regime, and they certainly there was 182 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: more support for this kind of political violence when the 183 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: state is so obviously like undemocratic, unjust and incredibly violent 184 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: towards people, right, so they when they're killing members as 185 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: a guard Seville, these are people who are torturing prisoners, 186 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: right A. Prisoners pretty often when they're captured, turn up 187 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: tortured in court, like very obviously that they have been 188 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: victims of beatings and physical violence, right, A lot of 189 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: things you'll see. They also kidnapped this guy, forget it. 190 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: He's one of the founders of Vox, and they kept 191 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: him in a seller for months and months and months 192 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: and months. They like, I don't I don't like Vox, 193 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: but they also don't like lucking people and sellers, So 194 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: two things can be bad. And Vox is a right 195 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: wing populist Spanish party, if people aren't familiar. They also 196 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: did a lot of extortion. They also did a lot 197 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: of extorting local businesses, right they called it the Revolutionary tax. 198 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: So they got into some sort of more classic kind 199 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: of organized crime stuff there. And but the assassination we 200 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: want to talk about today is so the way they 201 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: do this is they rent this flat right there, that's 202 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: an apartment for American listeners. And they rent this flat 203 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: claimed to be students, like sculpting students, right, like they 204 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: were art students, were into sculpture. That's that's why we're 205 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: covered in dust every day and we and we wear 206 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: these overrules. And for five months they spend every day 207 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: digging a tunnel underneath the road by their flat, right, 208 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: and in that tunnel they packs of explosive. And what 209 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: they're doing there is they're waiting for this guy, Luis 210 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: Carrero Blanco to come in his car, which he travels 211 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: in every day, right, and they're gonna explode that explosive 212 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: and they're going to kill him. The reason they want 213 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: to kill him is because they say that he is 214 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: the the best example of pure fascism. Right. He's a 215 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: former admiral, he's Spain's sort of prime minister. He's Franco's 216 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: chosen successor, right, so he's going to take over from Franco. 217 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: And so by killing him, they're able to destabilize the 218 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: whole Franco Regimer. Franco cries in public when he finds 219 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: out cal Blanco is dead, and so spoiler alert, career 220 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: Blanco is extremely dead. The way they did this is 221 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: they dressed up as electricians, which is also a lot 222 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: of dressing up in this which is kind of fun. 223 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: And they painted a little line on a wall to 224 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: be like, Okay, when the car gets to here, we 225 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: explode it. So the car gets to there, they explode it. 226 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: They launched this car over a church and it lands 227 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:45,359 Speaker 1: on the second floor terraces on the other side. Sometimes 228 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: this is called like the Basque Space program or Luis 229 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: Carrero Blanco is referred to as Spain's first astronaut. Yeah, 230 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: you can find a picture of it. It is his 231 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: hysterical the core like it's just it just goes. So yeah, 232 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: it's it's periodically in Spain, like someone will be prosecuted 233 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: for making this joke. This Spain's first astronaut joke. And 234 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: so it happened someone pretty recently and she had really 235 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: made it a thing of making jokes. Actually, I think 236 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: his I think it's his grandchildren have noted that it's 237 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: a problematic restriction of free speech that the people keep 238 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: getting prosecuted for this. And the court recently found that 239 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: they weren't mocking his family or his memory, but they 240 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: were just pointing the objectively funny way in which he died, which, 241 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, great for the court to agree that it 242 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: was objectively funny that a terrible fucking person died by 243 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: being blown literally sky high, and it's his driver and 244 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: his bodyguard were also killed. Shouldn't be a bodyguard for 245 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: a piece of shit. But they THETA guys had disguised 246 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: themselves of electricans. After the bomb went off, they ran 247 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: around shouting, Oh no, we've hit a gas pipe, like 248 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: there's been a gas explosion. Every everybody clear out. YEA 249 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: was yeah, so pretty pretty entertaining stuff, acting as their 250 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: side passion, I guess, and and like the reason they 251 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: did if they did a pressor not longer afterwards, wearing 252 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: their outfits, which some of you may find offensive, and 253 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: they they cited like his irreplaceable place in the hierarchy 254 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: right and him being this they called him a pure 255 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: Franco list and oddly like ETA were not. At this point, 256 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: they were less unpopular than they became later because they 257 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: weren't doing quite as much extortion and they hadn't been 258 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: engaging in quite as many murders of journalists, right and 259 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: and you used to see this. I'll get to that later. Actually, 260 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: they got grudging praise from almost everyone for doing this, 261 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: right and because it really does destabilize and kind of 262 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: keep their legs out from under the Franco regime. And 263 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: it makes Franco cry, which I think is a laudable goal, 264 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: like it's good to Franco cry Franco crime or so 265 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: they well it kind of it kind of it kind 266 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: of astomizes the Franco a state, right between people who 267 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: are like this bunker tendency who want to go hardcore 268 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: and crack down, and those who are like, we don't 269 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: have the ability to crack down, like we'll lose all 270 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: popular support if we do that, and it really sort 271 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: of vaporizes the consensus for what to do after Franco dies, 272 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: which he does a few years later. I want to 273 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: point out that people will you'll read these articles on 274 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: like the popular news websites or like you know, like 275 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: hot take websites where they're like, oh, this carbon launched 276 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: Spain it's a democracy. I don't do that. I think 277 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: first of all, the major r with that is the 278 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: idea that Spain quote unquote transition to democracy. When you 279 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: have a pacted transition where the people who did the 280 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: war crimes in the previous regime specifically not prosecuted an 281 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: exempt from prosecution, that's not what democracy looks like. I 282 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: think the most accurate way of just driving west Spain 283 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: is is a post dictator like a post dictatorship, and 284 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: Spain is still there now that we see that with 285 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: these prosecutions for mocking him, right with the fact that 286 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: there are people in Spain who are still in prison 287 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: from mocking the crown, like, that's not what democracies do. 288 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: Good thing that could never happen in Britain. Yeah, yeah, okay, 289 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: you won't find you won't find me defending that either, 290 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: But we don't. We don't make a big industry of 291 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: talking about Britain's transition to democracy. Maybe don't talk about 292 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: transitions at all, given the powerful turf discourse in Britain. 293 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's problematic that that folks talk 294 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: about this like, yeah, it spin his fixed, like Spain 295 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: has some dark ship that it needs to process like 296 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: it was not until the middle of the last decade 297 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: that we started exhuming the graves from the civil war. 298 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: And that's still highly contentious, right, you still have a 299 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: political party that doesn't want do that. Spain is still 300 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: processing the fact that the Catholic Church took babies away 301 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: from people who had considered to be leftist and gave 302 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: them to people who it considered to be more appropriate 303 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: to raise them. It's called Nino bios if you want 304 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: to look it up. Yes, Spain not transitioning to to democracy. 305 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: And I want to make like that very clear. Some 306 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: of the other ship that Etta does is really this 307 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: is where they start to lose any any claim to 308 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 1: being like a liberation movement, right Like they bombed anpair 309 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: Core that's like bombing a target for American folks in 310 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: Barcelona and they killed twenty one people. Now I will 311 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: say this isn't this is exemplary bad policing. They called 312 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: the cops and we're like, hey, we've put a bomb 313 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: Underneas the supermarket. You will ought to clear it out. 314 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: And the cops were like, I can't tell if that's 315 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: a real threat or not. And as a result, did 316 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: do anything and as a result the bomb went off. 317 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: I think he's a supermarket and twenty one people died. Right, 318 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: They also did a newspaper in Catalonia beforehand. Reporters Without 319 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: Borders still for a long time classified Spain as a 320 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: place that was hostile to journalists because of the attacks 321 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: on journalists by Etta. Right. Also, the state isn't hostile 322 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,239 Speaker 1: to journalism, but I want to point out that they 323 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: killed journalists, they killed university professors who disagreed with them, 324 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: they killed local counselors, and it was some of these, 325 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: like these very unpopular murders which really sort of strip 326 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: support from them. And one thing that the Spanish state did. 327 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: A couple of things the Spanish state did that really 328 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: were extremely repressive against Etta was they would move Basque 329 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: prisoners out of the Basque homeland and sort of hold 330 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: them thousands of miles away from their families, like in 331 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: the Canary Islands and ship like they're probably closer to 332 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: Africa than you are to to your your home country 333 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: when they do that, right, and you would often see 334 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe you guys have seen this. 335 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: It's a white flag. It's got an outline of the basquetland. 336 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: It's got an arrow and it says aria, have you 337 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: seen that like protests? Now if you if you've been 338 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: at the protests, I is that like you know, in 339 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: like the early two thousands in Europe, you would see 340 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: that flag a lot. It just means Basque prisoners to 341 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: the Basque homeland. Like a lot of people got behind 342 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: that who might not have got behind other things that 343 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: ETA did, right, but it does seem deeply inhumane to 344 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: move these people so far away from their families. It's 345 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: sort of an extra punishment. The Spanish state also had 346 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: this thing called gal gal Is groupo anti terroristadi li 347 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: braction so I guess like anti terrorists liberation group. And 348 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: these were desquads right, These were discord dated and inverted 349 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: by the police. Etta enjoyed like a safe space in France, 350 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: I guess, or like at freedom for prosecution. Certainly under Franco. 351 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: France was like, you know what, Franco really sucks, So 352 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: you guys go ahead and send it. Do your terrorism 353 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: about a clauvist. I'm sure the French also objected to 354 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: their beret style, but this is this same space. It's 355 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: basically what they said, Yeah, yeah, this is like a 356 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: whole thing with Midterrand in France in the seventies, like 357 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: France kind of became this weird like like they basically 358 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: had this, they had this open policy. Were like there 359 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: was a bunch of well, they're there're a bunch of 360 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: people in Italy who got like falsely accused of like 361 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: being the Red Brigades. What's that guy's name, the guy 362 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: negri An Toto who's like a kind of famous. This 363 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: theory kind of sucks by the end, but like they 364 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: arrest him for like being a terrorist, and then he 365 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: gets himself elected to parliament so we can get parliamentary immunity, 366 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: and then flees the country to France. Yea, yeah, this 367 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: was a weird time. Was in Carlos Jackal also in 368 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: Paris for a while. Yeah, yeah, you love it, france 369 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: open door policy to terrorists, Like this is this is 370 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: this is the only cool thing France has done since 371 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, you're not wrong. They invented parkour. When 372 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: was that, Oh that was like in the resident xt Okay, 373 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: there you go. Okay, so the second cool thing, you're 374 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: going to hand that to them? Yeah, they'll tend that 375 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: to the entire country of Reds. Yeah, maybe not actually, 376 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: given their treatment of migrant deaspirts in recent years. And 377 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: sometimes the firefighters will go out and beat the ship 378 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: into the police. That's true. Do you think we all 379 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: have to give that to them? I wanted to maybe 380 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: end with this quote from Supercomman Anti Marcos. So we've 381 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about So this is from a 382 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: piece code I shipped upon this, I shipped upon the 383 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: Revolutionary Vanguards of the Earth. Yeah, it's something. Yeah. All 384 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: the titles are like having problems translating total in bundo, 385 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: which is like yeah, if you I couldn't find it 386 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: written in the original Spanish. Maybe that's just because I 387 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: was googling wrong and I didn't put a lot of 388 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: time in it. But I found so many of the 389 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: Zapatist text of preserves better in these weird English translations. 390 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: And I don't know if they're written in English, it's 391 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be posible. They're written in English the first time. 392 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think this one. I think I 393 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: think these. I think this particular one is a translation. Okay, 394 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah, I've tried to find in Spanish. Actually, 395 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: But so I'm just going to go with a translation. 396 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: I think it's probably from lib Calm or a similar 397 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: website with like aging red and black asthetic vibes. But 398 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: I love those websites, so it's had a bit on 399 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: I hope you'll enjoy it. We don't see why we 400 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: should have like the ETA or kind of like reaching 401 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: out in solidarity and the Zapatis just has previously been 402 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: like Now, dude, we are not the same. You're not 403 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: just like ascetic society. We are not the same people. 404 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: We don't see why we would ask you what we 405 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: should do or how we should do it. What are 406 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: you going to teach us to kill? You a list 407 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: who speak badly about the struggle to justify the death 408 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: of children for the reason of the cause. We don't 409 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: need or want your support or solidarity. We already have 410 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: the support and solidarity of many people in Mexico and 411 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: the world. Our struggle has a code of honor inherited 412 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: from our guerrilla ancestors, and it contains, among other things, 413 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: respect of civilian lives, even though they may occupy government 414 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: positions that oppress us. We don't use crime to get 415 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: resources for ourselves. We don't rob, not even a snack store. 416 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: We don't respond to words with fire, even though many 417 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: hurt us or lie to us. One could think that 418 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: to renounce these traditionally revolutionary methods is renouncing the advancements 419 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: of our struggle. But in the faint light of our history, 420 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: it seems that we have advanced more than those who 421 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: resort to such arguments. Like, I deeply enjoy this critique, 422 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: you can look it up. Was big on killing people 423 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: who are tangently related to the regime in any way, 424 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: which I don't agree with. We should also add that 425 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: they more or less definitively stopped doing stuff in eighteen 426 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: and that they had a press conference, and in their 427 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: press conference, actually Arenaldo Teggi, who was a former member, 428 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: said that they wanted to express a sorry for the 429 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: pain and suffering other people have endured. He goes on, like, 430 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: we feel their pain, and that sincere feeling leads us 431 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: to affirm that it should never have happened. Sure, buddy, 432 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: you want to say sorry because you did terrorism. But 433 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: I do think that, like we should, we're talking about assassination. 434 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: Is gonna be talking about assassinations a week. There are 435 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: ways to do leftist political struggle that are not killing 436 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: random civilians and their friends and family members and bombing supermarkets, 437 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: and those are the better ways. But making Franco cries 438 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: good sending Franco's successor into near Earth orbit is pretty funny. 439 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: So we we enjoyed that one at least, if not, 440 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: I think it is worth pointing out, like we weighed 441 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: this pretty obvious by by that line. But it does 442 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: not get a free space, a free bask homeland. The 443 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: Zappatistas have actually taken and still controlled territory, a thing 444 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: that none of these weird thrilla groups ever pulled off. 445 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, they don't even get majority support 446 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: really at any point. Like occasionally there will be people 447 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: who are like, yeah, you know what, Like I agree 448 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: with some of what they say, but their tactics are 449 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: deeply flawed. You know, these keeping people, like torturing people. 450 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: That kind of thing in the context of the dirty 451 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 1: war with the state is important. But yeah, they don't succeed, right, 452 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: And I don't think you do succeed by by extorting 453 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: the people you're claiming to liberate. That generally doesn't work well. 454 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: So up the Zappatistas, I guess, Yeah, that seems like 455 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: a good place to end. Yep, cool, yeah, this is 456 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: this has what may could happen here and join us 457 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 1: tomorrow from more assassinations and also the day after that, 458 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: the day after that and the day after that. 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