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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot il a production of I Heart Radio. Jill,

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Speaker 1: you have to open up the show, Ma'm I'm not

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Speaker 1: opening up the show. I got to open a show.

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Speaker 1: You got to the show. Excited. Listen, everybody, We're really excited.

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Speaker 1: We're excited. That's all I mean. We've already been clapping

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Speaker 1: and cheering. It is. It has been such a journey,

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Speaker 1: like we've been wanting to talk to this woman for

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Speaker 1: a year or more, a year or more like this, lady,

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Speaker 1: how you've blessed our lives. Look this welcome to Ja

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Speaker 1: dot Ilder Podcast. This is Joe Scott and I'm here

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Speaker 1: with my sister friends, Ada Graydon Danzler. Hello, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: and the lovely liar st Clair. Ready for arrest, Ready

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Speaker 1: for arrest. It's so much more. And and Tricia, am

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Speaker 1: I saying your first name? Yes, Mercy Baby, Trisha thirsty baby.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know who this is, uh what minister Asian?

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Speaker 1: You know this? No? This is this is the NAP Bishop.

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Speaker 1: But what we'd like to welcome into our into into

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Speaker 1: the sanctuary. Amen. That what we'd like to do is

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Speaker 1: welcome the NAP Bishop Trisha Hersey to the show. Amen,

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Speaker 1: Because what she does is she teaches the black people

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Speaker 1: that they are not only entitled to rest money, but

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Speaker 1: that the people owe us rest, they us rest. I

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Speaker 1: have come to know her from her fabulous Instagram page

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Speaker 1: and that ministry, and uh, it has touched my heart

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Speaker 1: and I honestly she was not lying. We we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about you from seeing you. It feels like a

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Speaker 1: dream right now because it's really happening. And then she

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Speaker 1: showed up a girl. Then she showed up on here

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Speaker 1: with a whole neon sad honey, the aganl aw, the

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Speaker 1: same is here is here like it's just it's just

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Speaker 1: keeping the nineties going, keeping the good line. Get on

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Speaker 1: all of them static. I love that. I'm from the

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Speaker 1: South side of Chicago. So let's just I'm currently in

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Speaker 1: the South side of Chicago, right. No, you are, yes, um,

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Speaker 1: eating good um. Yes, I am engod. I'm on my

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Speaker 1: way to the Inglewood Music Festival. Yes, so we will

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Speaker 1: be doing that that whole nine. But yes, from Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Give it to us, give it to us, give us

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Speaker 1: the receipts, not Bishop. I've been an activist for twenty

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Speaker 1: five years. I was raised as an activist. My dad

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Speaker 1: was a pastor, of the Church of God in Christ

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Speaker 1: for black then a Costalkjic, and so I grew up

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Speaker 1: in that denomination. But my dad was also deeper into

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Speaker 1: the Black Panther movement, you know, Pan Africanism, super black everything,

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Speaker 1: and also a union organizer and activists, and so I

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Speaker 1: grew up, you know, always understanding that none of us

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Speaker 1: will be free until we're all free and understanding like

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Speaker 1: the real core of what it means to be a

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Speaker 1: black body in this country. It's a blessing and it's

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Speaker 1: a miracle our name. It is one of the deepest

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Speaker 1: miracles ever to be alive and on this earth. When

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Speaker 1: they've tried to do so many things to eradicate us

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Speaker 1: from the earth, we're still here. And the word word

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Speaker 1: miracle really but dis gracious. I feel like I've seen

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Speaker 1: address people because you're very clear that they're not there

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Speaker 1: to extract labor from. But yet the work that you

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Speaker 1: have done, the study that you put into what you've done,

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Speaker 1: is important to be clear and to clarify with folks

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Speaker 1: that this is what I'm talking about. You can co

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Speaker 1: I'm here to clarify, not to work, but to clarify

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Speaker 1: for you what it is that what I've what I've

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Speaker 1: been studying. And so I feel like maybe we've all

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Speaker 1: had a hard time wrapping our minds around this idea

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Speaker 1: of self care and what that looks like, and that

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Speaker 1: when you say the word lay down, rest, nap, that

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Speaker 1: people still have a hard time with that very simple instruction,

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Speaker 1: for you to just talk about, like, you know, why,

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Speaker 1: why do you think that it's that we're so it's

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Speaker 1: so difficult for us to follow this simple, simple room

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Speaker 1: well in a capitalist system like the one we live in,

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Speaker 1: in a system that's a white suprematis system, the one

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Speaker 1: we live in in, this is radical. This is paradigm shifting.

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Speaker 1: This is the mind shift, and my name, what is

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Speaker 1: happening to us um as full on brainwashing. And so really,

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Speaker 1: after a friend of mine was kind of like, you

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Speaker 1: was doing the that ministry and experimenting with REST to

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Speaker 1: save my own life. I was saving my life when

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Speaker 1: I started this work. I didn't think about no business plan,

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Speaker 1: And so when I begin to fill all these things,

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Speaker 1: I said, let the chips fall where they may, Like

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Speaker 1: I got to the point of like, God, gonna have

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be urgent. I'm not gonna stay up

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Speaker 1: amen to that, because gott to bring another thing into

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Speaker 1: that with my work studying cultural trauma, studying gym crow terrorists,

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Speaker 1: what it did to our bodies, what it still has

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Speaker 1: then it became um almost like a reparations and a

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Speaker 1: will use this moment to recapture the dream space that

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Speaker 1: and rest for them in this dimension, to honor them,

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Speaker 1: to um connect with them, and so the recapturing of

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Speaker 1: the collective coming? And so we started doing the events

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Speaker 1: You know? Where has this toxic, violent idea of our

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Speaker 1: we really believe that our bodies don't deserve arrest. It's

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Speaker 1: so it's one of the most violent, toxic things when

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Speaker 1: this culture. If I believe resting is the foundation, it's

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Speaker 1: so to say, to repair, to disrupt, to disturb the

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Speaker 1: idea that we're human machines, and we're not human machines.

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Speaker 1: We're divine, perfect human beings who not only deserve rest,

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Speaker 1: It's what will help us thrive. I'm past surviving. I

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Speaker 1: I just refused. It's that's why it's called resistance. Rest

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Speaker 1: it's a multi layer, it's so trickster energy, it's subversive,

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Speaker 1: us back Truly, it's work is about showing people that

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Speaker 1: they're human. It's it's a human It's about humanness. To

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Speaker 1: be more human. One of my favorite poets, On and

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Speaker 1: starches as the poem that she opens up, what does

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Speaker 1: human nous, to be more human? The human like this

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Speaker 1: More real talk after the break, we watch our cats.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't have any cats from people who

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Speaker 1: They don't rush, They very They have full autonomy over themselves.

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Speaker 1: once I'm off the stage, I almost pass out. It's

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Speaker 1: a lot. It's a lot. So I go to sleep,

427
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, and if they can wait. You know, this

428
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: is before COVID you know, with the meet and greets

429
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: and like if they I gotta go to sleep, got

430
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: to lay it down, Yes you have, and I sleep

431
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: hard and then I can meet people and then I

432
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: can say hi, thank you for coming in. If you

433
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: can't wait for that, I don't know what to tell you,

434
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: because I love that boundary though that you're like, this

435
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: is what it is, and this is it takes It

436
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: takes time to figure out what these boundaries are because

437
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: other than that, you know, you're trying to fit into

438
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,239
Speaker 1: what is done, the normal, you know, and then you

439
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: end up burning yourself out. Is this thing not about

440
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: longevity and I'm just talking about life. If you want

441
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: to live as much life as you possibly can, healthy

442
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: quality of life, if you wanted to be feeling like

443
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: a thriving life, not a life of soft life, not

444
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: a life where you're burnt out, burnt up, you know,

445
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: not connected. I think the deepest part of our exhaustion

446
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: is our disconnection with each other and ourselves. So this

447
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: this deep disembodied with our bodies and who we are.

448
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: And we've know that our bodies are tired, we know

449
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: that we need rest. I'm gonna push through. Why are

450
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: you ignoring what your body is telling you. Your body

451
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: is telling you I need to lay down, I need

452
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: to arrest, and you're like, I'm just push through this,

453
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: pushing through that cultural and it's a cultural thing that

454
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: we've been tall and honestly we say that, we say

455
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: that word so much to our children too. And I

456
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: think there's a bit of a resentment, particularly from our generation,

457
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: with younger generations who we feel a pushing through and

458
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: we feel don't want to work or aren't working hard enough,

459
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: aren't are somehow inherently, somehow getting messaging that it's like, yeah,

460
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sacrifice myself to this. And I

461
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: think that some of that some of us are having,

462
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: like we had a lot of time, like having a

463
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: lot of time processing like where they be coming from

464
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: on that. There is a balance to that when we're

465
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: when we're saying things like oh, I'll just I'll just

466
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: say my opinion, you know, when we're talking about people

467
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: not wanting to work. For those who do, I would

468
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: just ask you do the stop you can, courteous, respectful, helpful,

469
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, um, And but when you're done with that portion,

470
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 1: please go lay down, just go outside and look at

471
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: this guy, lay down. That's the thing about it. People

472
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: literally are fighting this this idea of not They feel

473
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: like they're not enough. And I think this goes back

474
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: to that worth. If you feel like you're not enough,

475
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: this system teaches you you're not enough, you need to

476
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: do more. Once you're to do this done, then you're okay.

477
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: Once you've accomplished enough, then you're okay. Like that's the

478
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: lie that it sits and resides in us, that it

479
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: causes us to be able to hold onto something that's

480
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: killing us. Like this is not trying to be an alarm,

481
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: but sleep deprivation is killing black people. It is causing

482
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: so many health issues. The top three high blood pressure, diabetes,

483
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: and heart disease have been tracked and traced back to

484
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: sleep deprivation. Not sleeping a full six hours of full

485
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: rest of sleep a day, being exhausted. Sleep deprivation is

486
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: a public health issue. It's a CDC has named it

487
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: as a public health issue. Entire culture physically is dying

488
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: from not sleeping. Um and so it's a spiritual lens too.

489
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: It's a physical lens. It's emotional, it's political. It's like

490
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: all the legs are coming together to make this work

491
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: be so powerful and so paradigm shifting and culture shifting

492
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: that it is going to take a lot of time.

493
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: And I understand it. I'm glad grateful that it's not

494
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: going to be quick. I'm so grateful for it being

495
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: small and when I was having time to deprogram and

496
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: decolonized to figure this work out, to expand and experiment.

497
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: This work is about experimentation. It's not wrapped up in

498
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: a boat to say these are the three things you

499
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: do to be free from grind culture. Honey. No, you're

500
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: gonna be unraveling and healing and meticulously loving on yourself

501
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: through rest for the rest of your days. And we'll

502
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: hope that our people, when we are ancestors, that the

503
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: one us who are left behind our families will be

504
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: uplifting rest for us wearing that dimension. And so this

505
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: is a pull on life long practice of seeing ourselves

506
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: as worthy if you are enough. I repeat that so

507
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: much in a book. If you don't get nothing from

508
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: this book, understand that right now, as you're reading this book,

509
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: as you're listening to me, understand that you're you are divine,

510
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: that you're worth was granted to you by your birth.

511
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: So you don't have to do all these other connected

512
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: things that you feeling like I got give your worth.

513
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: You're worth. It's not hemmed up in capitalism's ideas of

514
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: what we're gonna take a quick break and then it

515
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: will be right back. What is the name of your

516
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: book again? Yes, rest is Resistance a manifesto come out

517
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: October eleventh. Please tell me you doing an audio book.

518
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: October eleventh is my um, it's my anniversary anniversary. It's

519
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: it's the day I lost my virginity. I was. I

520
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: didn't know which wonder because because this is Jill, so

521
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, she went bust out. She because who

522
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: remembers that day? You remember that, dame, but Jill, nobody

523
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: remembers that date. I remember the year, the year, maybe

524
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: maybe the season. I probably confined the day though, because

525
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: I've been journaling since I was in high school. So

526
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: you one of those. I have them all on the shelf,

527
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: like like a book to jealous Happening when I was

528
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: what was happening when you were eighteen? Like it's a

529
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: full archive of like yo, I just told jail to Asia,

530
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: I was like, that's Jennifer Lewis said, that's how she

531
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: writes all her books because she journal all her life,

532
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: so she just goes for books and start right. I

533
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: love that, you know, I always I've always wanted to

534
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: be a journal person, but I just I've never quite

535
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: been able to do it. Well. Did you have diaries

536
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: a little like all the way I did? I definitely did,

537
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: But you don't keep up with it. You keep up

538
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, I think I have like maybe one

539
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: from like middle school that I probably still have. I

540
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: wanted to circle back to something you said because and

541
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: I've just been sitting with it in my mind, because

542
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: you keep saying so many good things. I just like,

543
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm mostly just listening because I'm such a like girl.

544
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: Jim after Jim after Jim. But any who, um, when

545
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: you were talking about ancestors and and you talked about

546
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: also to like the this um the kind of legacy

547
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: of exhaustion. I remember I went to to grief therapy

548
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: after my mom passed, and this lady and the lady

549
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: who was doing it with me was telling me about

550
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: how like, what did you think was the legacy that

551
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 1: my mother left me? And one of the things that

552
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: she was that that people talked about her a lot

553
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: of times just like how how much, how easy it

554
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: was for her to love people, and that she had

555
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: like this real legacy of love that she left with people.

556
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: And I remember my son telling me, like, I just

557
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: want to be I wish I want to be more

558
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: like Grandma. And I told him, I said, well, you

559
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: know what, son, there was a cost to her being

560
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: so present for so many people, and there was a

561
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: call she paid for that. And I said, now, when

562
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I look at my mom, I feel she definitely gave

563
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: me a beautiful blueprint as to how to treat others

564
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: and the type of person you want to be when

565
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: people remember you. But I realized that she sacrificed her

566
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: body for that in a lot of ways. And I

567
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: feel like the legacy legacy that she left me was

568
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: that yes, be be good, be espressial love to people

569
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: who you feel shold having, but also like preserve the self,

570
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: take care of yourself, you know, And and that was

571
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: one thing she just failed to do for herself. And

572
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: it's like, and to me, I feel like that's really

573
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: the more powerful legacy that she left me and the

574
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: thing that I've been sitting with for the last few years.

575
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: So even in discovering your page. I felt that that

576
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: was even her guided me into that space to say, listen,

577
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: you need to I see now I'm about to cry.

578
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: You need to rest, honey. You just have been on

579
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: and I don't think I would have believed her has

580
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: she told me that in the flesh, I think I

581
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: had to have so much pain to where I could

582
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: not fit another thing in the cup. I had to

583
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: be that full in order to deny other things my

584
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: body and my presence and my labor. So when you

585
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: said that, it just really resonated with me because I

586
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: was just like, I have approached my life in such

587
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: a different way in the past four years, or for

588
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: for in some change, you know, in the past four years.

589
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: It has been different. Even with my children. I told

590
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: my husband said, during the pandemic, my bedroom felt like

591
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: an office, and it was a constant energy of people

592
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: coming into the office to talk about what it is

593
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: they needed to talk about, right, like constant, constant, constant

594
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: to I felt like, goodness, gracious, I felt like I

595
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: had to be like a big red like my office.

596
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: I was just from nine to five like this motherfucker, right,

597
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: So you know, eventually I had to kind of like

598
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: start to create these boundaries even with people who I

599
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: felt were entitled to my labor. So I think sometimes

600
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: maybe even this thing might go even further from like

601
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: necessarily capitalism, but also within our inter personal relationships as

602
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: to how we, you know, expel so much. And if

603
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: you talk about guilt, that's a major guilt to turn

604
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: away a child from your foot, from your door. I know.

605
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: I think that this is the black woman to talk

606
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: about what has been placed on when I think about

607
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: the labor and the sacrifice that Black women have done

608
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: their bodies to who they are. They sacrifice everything to

609
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: be on good other, to be a good pardner, to

610
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: do for everyone, and then we're over here dying. I

611
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: think that legacy the strong black woman, Mammy, the Mammy trope,

612
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: the muddle of the world, like those tropes were put

613
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: on us during plantation time, during slavery, when our ancestors

614
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: were a part of the system that was looking at

615
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: us as full on machines that's not even human beings

616
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: at all, but the for the black woman, like how

617
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: we've internalized that. It's such a deep way we've been

618
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: taught that we watched our grandmothers do it, our great

619
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: grandmothers every do it to the point of where their

620
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: sacrificing their entire being until they're gone, not hearing for

621
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: their selves. There's no self preservation, there's no you're gonna give,

622
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: give given to you can't give no more. You have

623
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: a heart attack and you still in the back at

624
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: home resting cookie, Then why are you in the hospital?

625
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: Like I know all black women who have done that,

626
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: it's like you really there is such a brainwashing. I

627
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: think we have to keep going back to the idea

628
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: of this deep socialization that happens to us from birth.

629
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: I think everyone has that, but for Black people there's

630
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: a different legacy. There's a different been to the exhaustion,

631
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: to the way we're always trying to catch up. We're

632
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: always trying to catch up page priarchy. Also, we cannot

633
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: forget about patriarchy because that part because the black woman

634
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: is seen as the mule of the world to save

635
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: everyone else she can. I'm not trying to save nobody else.

636
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: I want help and I need help. So the strong

637
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: troke is one that is to me, the most divisive,

638
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: the most toxic, and I want all black women to

639
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: begin to do the healing work. This is a part

640
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: of a deeper healing agenda like resting and sleepy and

641
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: slowing down and connecting with your bodies is just one

642
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: of the deep parts of our full healing agenda. We're

643
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to be healing from our individual trauma. Things

644
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: that happened to us we were children that made us

645
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: people pleasers, Things that happened to us we were younger

646
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: that made us feel like we aren't worthy. Collective trium,

647
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to be looking at what has happened

648
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: to us collectively. And this is going to take a

649
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: lot of work. It's not going to just be a

650
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: one time thing. It's gonna be therapy, prayer, you know,

651
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: some classes, rituals, working with people, really deeply looking at

652
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: yourself to see the work. It always going at yourself

653
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: worth looking at yourself when you can't look at yourself

654
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: or feel yourself or connect with yourself, if you're always

655
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: going My girlfriend told me I was selfish once, um,

656
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: and I told her I was self full, self full yes,

657
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: then yeah self yeah, because it's not selfish. I'm like, well,

658
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: you know I did. I did grow up as an

659
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: only child. But I like my a long time. I

660
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: like my piece of quiet it's become part of my

661
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: my life. I need that. How will we be well without?

662
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: How as human beings will we be well without? It's

663
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: it's almost to see how deep the brainwatching is for

664
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: people to actually think that we're going to be able

665
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: to get to some type of freedom by doing the

666
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: same things talked to us by these toxic systems. So

667
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna get to freedom by doing the

668
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: same exact things that we're talked to you by the oppressor,

669
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: by a toxic system has taught you these things, you

670
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: won't be able to get there. And Audrey Lord has

671
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: a beautiful quote that I love you will never dismantle

672
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: the master's house using the masters tools. Yeah, I want

673
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: to keep being exhausted, to keep acting like you're the

674
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: slave master, keeping grind, keep and thinking it from that

675
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to equal liberation and thriving in

676
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: freedom like it. Just it doesn't make sense that we

677
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: believe that we can keep grinding ourselves to obliving and

678
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: think that that's gonna offer us beautiful results, that's gonna

679
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: offer us results that look like liberation. It's gonna offer

680
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: us more of the same. And so that's where the

681
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: shift comes from that mind shift of knowing that we

682
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: have to like, really, look, this is something that we're

683
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: going to have to do a practice every day. That's

684
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: the center of our life. It's not just this adecute

685
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: little thing you do. It's literally has to be the foundation.

686
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: Resting has to be the foundation for our north star,

687
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: for our entire lives, for our um activities is trying

688
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: to be community activists. I work with a lot of

689
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: organizations and activists who you know who are out here

690
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: trying to do all these beautiful things to giving us

691
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: our freedom, but they're working eighty hours a week and

692
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, m hmm, how is that You're trying to

693
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: help us get our freedom but you haven't slept in

694
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: three days and you're like having to your help, Like,

695
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 1: how are you going to help us get your freedom

696
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: when you're going to be dragging your body across to

697
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: the online with you. We need you alive to do

698
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: the work like we need to U. Angela Davis one

699
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: time was talking about that. She was saying how she

700
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: was like, you know this new she said, we never

701
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: thought about, you know, self care or taking care of ourselves,

702
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: or she was we never talked thought about those things.

703
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: That sounds published, she said, And we lost a lot

704
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: of people, a lot of people you know, a mother.

705
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: But if you look at and many of us from

706
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: this generation, some of us had activist parents. I did not,

707
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: but I have seen a lot of I've talked to

708
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: a lot of second generation UM children who had activist

709
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: parents from that era, and they will tell you that

710
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: their parents have a myriad of health issues. Their mental

711
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: health is physical health issues, mental health issues that they

712
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, that just the way it ravaged the bodies

713
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: of their parents. Yeah, that's why when you talk to

714
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: Al Sharpton today he tells you his health regiment, you'd

715
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: be like, what not like Sharpton about take care of self?

716
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: Like core and now he saw because he was almost

717
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: out of here with health and he turned that around.

718
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: It may sound like an idealist, UM, just a beautiful thing.

719
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm gonna match learn an idealist as well.

720
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: Like I want people to say that sounds impossible what

721
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Thank you. I'm glad to be part

722
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: of the impossible crew because that's where our healing is

723
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: going to come from. People Dave dreaming and imagining things

724
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: that don't exist, you know, I feel like we're imagining stuff.

725
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's the stuff. We want a lot of stuff.

726
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know if people realize until you actually

727
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff that a lot of stuff

728
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: requires a lot of energy and effort to maintain. It

729
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: takes a lot. So what is Is it a big

730
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: old house with with ten bathrooms or is it a

731
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: town house or or you know, a cabin in the

732
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: woods that will give you your piece? Like piece is

733
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: really individual. And I see a lot I understand. You

734
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: know this, this this try, this effort to to get

735
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: this bag. You know, get the ay I be invisible,

736
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it because there were definitely

737
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: times where there was no food in the pantry and

738
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, two pair of shoes a year. I recalled

739
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: these things very much. So you know, I have a

740
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: thing where I don't like to see the pantry empty.

741
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: It scares me, you know. And I have a lot

742
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: of shoes because I you know, I'm like, I guess

743
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: that's a you know, a trauma in my mind for poverty,

744
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: the poverty of where we live through. We have to

745
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: hear from that as well. Definitely, I see that a

746
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: lot that we're all trying to get all of this stuff.

747
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean that they're telling us that that

748
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: this this is the way that people will know that

749
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: you got it, that that that we got this thing

750
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: that we're trying to get, Like your's the allens, here's

751
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: here's the receipts. The new word they had, generational wealth.

752
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, now you're solving You're solving all the

753
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: problems of black people by learning how to make a

754
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: lot of money. It's it's a lie. It's is a

755
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: repackaging of the same lie. And I'm just tired of

756
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: hearing it all the time. And it's like to me,

757
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: to me on my group chat, my girlfriend group chat,

758
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: Operational soft Life, and you said soft life. We are

759
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: on Operation soft Life. This is all we're talking about

760
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: in the group chat. It's like, what are we doing

761
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: to create this softness in our lives? You know what

762
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean? And it's like, no one wants the herd anymore,

763
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: the hardest whack. I don't want to exchange, you know,

764
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: more stories with each other of how we've endored some

765
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: massive hardship, Like I don't want to talk about that anymore.

766
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't want that to be the way that we bond.

767
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: I want us to bond over the softness of our

768
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: lives and what have we done to encourage that? And

769
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: it is hard work and it does take community. And

770
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do if I didn't

771
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: have other people to bounce this kind of thing off of.

772
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I feel like I would have giving into

773
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: the whole You're lazy, Yeah, that's why you're not, you know,

774
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: ambitious enough, or the cree of other people to be like, no,

775
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: you're not crazy, Like this is whack. And I don't

776
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: want to work that way. And I think I'm so

777
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: happy because I felt like an outlier when I first

778
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: started this work. I felt very lonely. When I first

779
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 1: started this work back in twos and I was talking

780
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: about this rest and that idea, people were laughing at me.

781
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: They were like, girl, Like black people, white people, everybody

782
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: was like girl, that sounds crazy. And I love to grind.

783
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: I love to be busy. I love it. I could

784
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: never lay down. I don't like the rest. Like literally,

785
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: people were fighting me and thinking that the work was

786
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: really They thought it was an ironic satire Joe that

787
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,479
Speaker 1: I was playing on because I am a performance artist.

788
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: Installation new theaters. So they thought it was just like

789
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: one of my events that I was doing. I was

790
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: like trying to be funny, and I'm like, no, I'm

791
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: dead ass. Like we're gonna be resting to reclaim our

792
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: bodies and reclaim um, our ancestors, rest and we're going

793
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: to be resisting the system that says that we are

794
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: machine and that we belong to it's simply to be

795
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: working on its clock, and so we're going to resist

796
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: that by simply laying down. The practice is to stop,

797
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: is to lay down, it's to slow down, it's to

798
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: say no more. And they thought it was a joke.

799
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: And so I'm grateful that now there is a community

800
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: of people that they know if they are feeling away,

801
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: they can come and come to our events, come look

802
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: on the page and read the book that's coming out,

803
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: and really be like swaddled and cuddled in this idea

804
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: of care, of deep, deep community, care of deep interconnectedness.

805
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: I want this work to feel like a metaphorical soft pillow,

806
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: you know, like a blanket that you can put over

807
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: you when you feel a little softness in a world

808
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: that hates you unless you're working. You know, all my

809
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: underscented bosom. She looked like she smelled good too. Is

810
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: there is there a Is there a naptuur coming with

811
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: this book? Really? Yes? And I'm gonna be leaving out

812
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: on October fifth, and I'm gonna be going to d C, Chicago,

813
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: Atlanta of course where I live, l A, San Francisco,

814
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: and then back to d C. Yeah. Then I'll be

815
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: in New Orleans in December. Yeah, you need to stop

816
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: in Philly too. I'm sorry. I was thinking about l

817
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: A n B and sounds like on my list when

818
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: I first started booking out the tour, but then um,

819
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: some other things dropped in. But I always wanted to

820
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: go being philious girl. We'll be back after the break.

821
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be me obviously, But like this

822
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: seems to me that has the best career every I mean,

823
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: because she's like hiding out, she popped up. She does

824
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: twelve shows and I don't know who her people are.

825
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: You don't know what she eats for breakfast, you don't know,

826
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: you don't know any you don't know what her house

827
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: is shot. I talk about her all the time when

828
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: I talk about the people who have decided to do

829
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: an access off of social media not be a part

830
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: of it, because social media will be the one thing

831
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: that keeps us from being arrested without looking at our

832
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: addiction to social media. This rest movement is not going nowhere.

833
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: And so I take down social media and talk about it.

834
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: It's harm all the time, even though people don't want

835
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: to hear it. I talk about how it is a

836
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: full owner obsessions, addiction, and it is driving us deeper

837
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: into more parts of Exhaustion's have in depression, mental health issues,

838
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: all types of sickness, body issues, head self esteem. It

839
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: has to be even like even now and meaning all

840
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: the chiropractice. He's saying that if you're doing this all

841
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: day and it's causing like an issue with how you

842
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: sit back, and it's happening in our bodies, a mass

843
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: accident off of these sites will have to take place.

844
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: And I and I hold that up as a dream

845
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: space and a place that I want to see happen

846
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: and I want to be helping to us to do

847
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: what people are like, I'm done. I'm like, please come

848
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: into the rest temple and lay down. Give me that

849
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: damn phone, like I am on a rampage against it.

850
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: People don't people don't like it, but I still I'm

851
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: gonna keep talking about it. You know, I'm you're in Atlanta,

852
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: so I'm sure you know j Ju. Yes, that's what

853
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: I see for you. I love James. Oh yeah, it's

854
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: so interests you say that because I just opened up

855
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: a building, a Rest Temple here in Atlanta. Rest Temple.

856
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful historic church that nineteen o three. You

857
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: guys got to come visit, which I am. I'm be

858
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: in Atlanta next week, which please, I will give you

859
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: a tour. Just text me and I'll show you around.

860
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: It opens on October nine, which is the book launch

861
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: of my book, so it'll be a bit done. I

862
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: want to do it for this episode Celebrate and then

863
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: the book comes out on the lap and then so um.

864
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: But me and my call collaborating artistic sister. We were

865
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: building is so big. That has three floors and you

866
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: can go underground like where the kitchen is and like

867
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: the last basement space. And we kept looking at each

868
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: other and she was like, this needs to be her mom.

869
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: This needs to be a bad house or a spa

870
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: or something with woomuse get some that modality of a

871
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: bad house, of vibe of salt water and that's what

872
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: is that's one of those it's her mom like bad house,

873
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: but it's like, but I really think that that would

874
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: be the next dimension of the work, is to really

875
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: start to do more work with the body, the somatics

876
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: of body. People do that and then they come up.

877
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: But I have so many ideas for the rest of

878
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: temple was going to be um and all of them

879
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: an Asian influence will be so dope to have it

880
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: be us in going to say that because we both

881
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: looked at each other and have that on our prayer

882
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,479
Speaker 1: lists of like we're gonna make this into a bad

883
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: house down here, this whole basiment area. Yes, yes, I

884
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: have a question though, I have a question of you

885
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: said you you you revealing that is that is a

886
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: process and as you're doing it's not going to be fast.

887
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: And I know that there's eventually you're gonna get calls

888
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: from corporations, calls from so and so. You have an

889
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: event in three times as many people as you think

890
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: are gonna show up or whatever the case may be. Like,

891
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: what are some of the things that you're doing to

892
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: actively like shield yourself because you have to gate keep Yeah,

893
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: that that that onset of capitalism to ruining your ship,

894
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: very clear boundaries. I say no, the ninety percent of

895
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: things asked to me literally like my I was writing

896
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: my book when I was like, I was, I was

897
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: in the writing cage. I was like, I am so

898
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: I was really up every day writing with like a

899
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: bonnet on and in the closet like writing like a right.

900
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: We were never mad. You never mad. We understan jealous jealous.

901
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: I was jealous. We always understood and was like we

902
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: got you were walking back. I say, no, who we

903
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: gotta do to do get that kind of freedom. I

904
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: always wanted to call to you, guys. I'm like, I

905
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: love all of you, So I'm like, are you kidding?

906
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: But the way that book, the writing of that book

907
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: was really a fool on body. It's my first book

908
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: I've ever written. To get through writing something like that,

909
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: it's so hard because it's memoir, it's poetry. It's a

910
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: full manifesto that really uplifts the idea of rest being

911
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: the new the new clearion call for the generation like

912
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: this is the guys book and the field guy for

913
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: this this new rest movement. It's a manifesto. I think

914
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: people will come back to it will be something can

915
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: tuck in their bag and when they're in the field

916
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: trying to like resist grind, culture can be a companion

917
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: for them, a metaphorical blanket. I want people to lay

918
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: down and read it, fall asleep with it on their chest,

919
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: like I wanted to be a lullaby for them, and

920
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: so writing that book was a live I wanted to

921
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: ask one more question, what do you say to somebody

922
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: who is broke, like financially. I got so many good

923
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: things to say them because I started this The story

924
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: of how I started this work, I literally had no money.

925
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: I was going to job interviews every week trying to

926
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: get a job after I finished seminary, and nobody would

927
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: hire me. Jill I was literally doing chaplaincy session because

928
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: I was trying us to chapelain and pastoral care sessions

929
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: with the people. Like the interviews would turn into me

930
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: doing chaplaincy with the people. People were in their crying.

931
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: One woman was like interviewing me and started crying and

932
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: tell me about she's having all these issues with her daughter.

933
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: And I sit up there and had like prayer with her,

934
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 1: a full chaplaincy session. I was like, I was definitely

935
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: don't get this job, and she called about the gable

936
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: to somebody else like that. It's happened four times. My

937
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: husband was like, if you keep your job, is not that.

938
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: I was like, Bay, I don't have no money. I

939
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: literally don't even have twenty five dollars. He was like,

940
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: I know, but if you the job is not out there.

941
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: The job is this napping and resting thing. And I

942
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, how could you say that?

943
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't believe. I was so caught up in

944
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: like not having not having money, filling the poverty on

945
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: my shoulders. He said, the work is do in that ministry,

946
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: and if you do that, things will come. When I

947
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: first started this, I was getting paid twenty dollars to

948
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: come and do it. I didn't have a dime. And

949
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: so what I tell people is when you talk about

950
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: being broke, there is not There is not a binary

951
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: with this. Work isn't either be broke or work like

952
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: an animal. You know, there has to be some type

953
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: of mental ground, some type of balance, some type of

954
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: integration of this so that you can do both, Like

955
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: you don't have to grind yourself into oblivion in order

956
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: to not be broke you also, um can still do

957
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: this while you're also working. And so I'm not telling

958
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: people to never work, to lay down, to quit their job.

959
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying that you have to see resting as an

960
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: integrated part of your life. You have to see boundaries,

961
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: you have to see healing. So I tell people still rest.

962
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,959
Speaker 1: My grandmother rest for thirty minutes. Why she was broke,

963
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: working two jobs, raising eight kids without a dime. I

964
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: was resting and teaching people to rest when I didn't

965
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: have any money. So I know the understanding of needing

966
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: to eat and live in a capitalist system is real.

967
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm not um and realistic to think that I'm come

968
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: from a legacy of poor black factory working. Nobody in

969
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: my family graduated from college. They're all high school graduates.

970
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm like the first in my family to graduate from college,

971
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: the first to go to graduate school. So I understand

972
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: what it means to not have Like if I stopped

973
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: working today, I would be homeless, you know. And so

974
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: it's like I understand the vibe and the what the

975
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: reality is of living in a system like this. I'm

976
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,959
Speaker 1: saying this is about more than just stopping and laying down.

977
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: It's about being having awareness of who you are. It's

978
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: a self worth, it's a um self esteem, it's a divinity.

979
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: It's a spiritual practice. It's a idea of mind shifting,

980
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: of shifting your mind to understand that you do not

981
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: only deserve rest, but it's actually your human right, it

982
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: is your divine right. It's past some type of I

983
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: need to earn rest. It is literally looking at yourself

984
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: that's divine human you are, and from that knowledge, from

985
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: that information, integrated into your life to be able to

986
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: resist any system that wants to degrade you, any system

987
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: that wants to say you aren't enough. That's the resistance there.

988
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you

989
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: so much. I know from personal experience and when I

990
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: when I decided to rest my body, music comes, full

991
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: lyrics come, poetry comes, ideas come. A new way of thinking.

992
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: A thing, or cooking a thing, or or trying a

993
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: thing pops up. Sleep. Rest is regenerative and we all

994
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: need that and we deserve it. I need you, dear

995
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: sweet listeners. We need you to purchase this book. We

996
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: need you to consider the possibilities of your existence in

997
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: a more peaceful, productive, happy, rested existence. We need you

998
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: to We need that for you. I need that for me,

999
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: Agent needs that, Lah needs that. We all need that.

1000
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here with us. We've

1001
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: been waiting for you since yes man, We've been waiting

1002
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: a dread so beautiful. How do you eat an elephant?

1003
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: One by its Hey, listeners, it's Amber, the producer of

1004
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: Jada Ill Here. My prayer is that each and every

1005
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: one of you takes this episode to heart. We deserve

1006
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: so much rest. Keep finding your pockets of peace throughout

1007
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: the day. One really easy way to start is with

1008
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: the breath. If you don't already know the four seven

1009
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: eight breathing technique, get into it. It's super simple. All

1010
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: you do is inhale through your nose for four seconds,

1011
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: hold your breath for seven, and exhale through your mouth

1012
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: for eight. And this simple exercise is scientifically proven to

1013
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: decrease fatigue, reduced anxiety, reduced symptoms of asthma, reduced hypertension,

1014
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: reduced aggressive behavior, nails, and improve migraine symptoms. I'll drop

1015
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: a link in the show notes to an article explaining

1016
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: more about the four semnate breathing technique. I'll also drop

1017
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: a link to Tricia's incredible new book, Rest Is Resistance.

1018
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: It's now required reading for the j L Fam. And

1019
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: if you don't already, follow Trisha on Instagram at the

1020
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: NAT Ministry. Hi. If you have comments on something you

1021
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: said in this episode called eight six six, Hey Jill,

1022
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: if you want to add to this conversation, that's eight

1023
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Speaker 1: six six four three nine five four five five. Don't

1024
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Speaker 1: forget to tell us your name and the episode you're

1025
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: referring to. You might just hear your message on a

1026
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: future episode. Thank you for listening to Jill Scott Presents

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00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: Jay dot The podcast j dot Ill is a production

1028
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,440
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