WEBVTT - Conned w/ Ally Walker 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.879 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.320 These are our stories. 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:28.200 Done done yay. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.240 Another episode of that Semessed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.240 I Am Lisa and I Am Kara, And every week 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:40.000 on this show we recap as view, we talk about 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:41.839 the true CREB is based on, and we interview a 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:47.080 celebrity guest and actor from the show, and so many layers. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.240 It's really it is three podcasts in one. You're welcome. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:55.320 What what it's okay? So this episode is coming out 0:00:55.760 --> 0:01:01.000 August twenty sixth. My lord, that's after labor is it now? 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.080 It's no, it's not, bitch, I'm dumb. It's Labor Days 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.319 coming up. I'll be back in La this at this 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.440 time that this episode comes out. Right now, I'm at 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.920 my parents home, but I'll be back in La. I'm 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.080 getting to the point where i am missing being at 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:16.440 my home. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:21.360 Way wild. Yeah, tell me more about this journey. I 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.560 just how did you feel on the East? 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.760 What are your thoughts? Was it what you wanted? 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:27.200 Not? 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.000 No, I think it's been great. It's been great. We've 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.399 had a lot of fun. I got to do a 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.640 fun weekend down at the shore with some friends. I'm 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:41.039 seeing some friends in Vermont, and I mean it's just like, uh, 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.120 it's just a lot to be like, I don't know, 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.160 out of your house without like but you know, you're 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:47.800 like on the road all the time for weeks at 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.480 a time, so like, but it's just that. And then like, 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.000 but the kids are like very resilient. They're like down 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.120 and having a good time. But they are at a 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:59.320 farm camp this week and absolutely loving it. They did 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.520 not enjoy the pub camp the week before. Oscar did 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:02.920 try to escape. I don't know if I already talked 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:03.480 about this on the. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.720 Please talk about puppet camp. The fact that you didn't 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:08.680 were pills. 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.880 Oh my god. The public camp was like the puppet 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.680 camp was at this kid's museum that my kids love 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:14.919 to go to, and I was like, Oh, this would 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.320 be great. They'll do a little puppet stuff and then 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.120 they'll go around the museum. It's like a but it's 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.800 like a kid's museum, you know, so like there's water, shit, 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:22.799 there's stuff to do, and like every day I'd be like, 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.160 did you go to any exhibits. They'd be like, no, 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:25.720 they didn't let us, Like I feel like they were 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.919 in a dark room all day just playing with puppets. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.880 They let them see the museum they like, I said 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.119 something like the second day, and the councilor goes, yeah, 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:36.880 I'm gonna ask I think they should see more. And 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.639 then the kids were like they took us to one thing. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.280 Like I just thought there was more them. I can't 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.160 understand why it's hard to like keep track of like 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.320 two dozen thirty kids or whatever running around a museum, 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.760 but like because there's also regular people that are just 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.920 there to be there, you know, I know, but that's 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.720 like life, that's what you do, I know, the job, 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.120 like I know, and they're wearing they're wearing pinnies. Like 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.640 I was like, they're easy to identify, but like they 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.240 were inside it was really hot out. It was like 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.200 are they going outside and all They're like, it's just 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.080 been so hot and I was like fair enough, but 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.360 like they just like the first day Rosie said it 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.200 was great, and then the second day she was like, 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.080 I'm kind of like they're not letting us out of 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:15.840 the room. And I was like, okay, you're in a 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.000 dark room all day. How many puppets did she make? 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:26.040 Or that she made a sock puppet, she made a gluppet, 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:30.440 which is like a glove puppet. She made some little 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.760 like hate like some little like stick puppet. She made 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.600 a marionette. Both her and Oscar made a marionette. How 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.760 am I transporting the marionettes back to La you ask, 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:43.760 I don't think I am I leaving the marionettes. I 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.440 don't know, Honestly. I went to the final show and 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.040 Oscars was Oscar quit halfway through. He came inside on 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.080 my lap. He goes, I don't want to be in 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.640 the show. I go okay, And then they did a 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.000 little puppet show at the end. It was like a 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.760 show in the last day for the parents. Rosie. Halfway 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.680 through the show, I literally mounted her, I go, are 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.839 you okay? And she she looked upset, and we found 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.240 out later she had strep throat, but she was literally 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.000 looked so like. But the beginning of the peppert Shore, 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:13.520 she was okay and she was singing along to the song, 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.240 and then it's like it hit her and she just 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.640 looked miserable, And I was like, I go, are you okay, 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.760 and she goes I'm tired, and I go uh oh, 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.760 and she gots off. I can feel she's hot. I 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.120 got to take her for a strap tests she gets 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.039 I will say I got her a strip test and 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.320 antibiotics all within an hour, courtesy of my mom being 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.200 a pediatrician. So that was helpful. But oh yeah, you 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.120 really got the goods. Yeah that was good. But you know, 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.320 my mom's not working anymore, so she just has to 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.560 call into her old place and be like you still 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.760 remember me, and they, of course like she started payless, 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.279 so they let me in. Yeah, but thank got It 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.960 was like a Friday and it was like right at closing, like, 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.840 so I got in there, got her the beds and 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.320 so did the other kids look happy or were they 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.960 also upset to be at this No, a lot of 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:02.760 them looked psyched. A lot of them look psyched, and 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.480 I think Rosie would have been psyched. I think Oscar 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.120 was like a little bit young again. I was sneaking 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.840 him into this camp too young, and that is something 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.480 I need to learn that I can't keep doing. Like 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.080 he was too young and I snuck him in as 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:13.560 a four year old when really it's a camp for 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.760 five and up, and he did try to. He did 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:17.600 run out the front door. They called me to tell 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.400 me later. That was the last day. It was like 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.159 the day of the puppet show. And they called me 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.080 and they were like, he ran out the front door, 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:26.720 but security got him. And I was like, great, I'm 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.320 glad security was on it. And then he ran through 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.680 an emergency door to go to another area. I was like, well, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.520 he clearly doesn't like it there. But they were calling 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:35.360 me at one o'clock and I go, I'm coming at 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.560 two o'clock for the puppet show. There's really nothing that 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.440 can be done. They were like, Oh, we're just calling 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.000 to let you know we've got it under control. I 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:42.480 was like, I don't know if you do. He's breached 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.640 two perimeters now, but you know, I got to work. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.080 So they do what they do. But now they're at 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.880 farm camp and they fucking love it. They're outside all day. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:57.080 They're with goats, chickens, rabbits, like these huge bunnies little 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.960 baby chicks. Sounds like a camp I want to sign 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.479 up for. Yeah, it was very Lisa coated camp. And 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.680 like they love When I drop them off, they show 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:08.479 me all these things they love it. Rosie gets to 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.440 do cooking. She's the upper grades. They get to cook things. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.599 It's great. If you live in the Connecticut area, DM 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:15.800 me and I'll tell you what it's called. If you 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.240 live in the Fairfield County area, I'll tell you what 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.440 it's called. Great little camp. But yeah, they're they're excited. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.400 I mean they're they've been fine. I'm just like, you know, 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:26.920 you just get to a point where I'm like, I'm 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.920 excited for like next week I'll be with all my 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.720 sibs and stuff at my brothers. So but at the 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.599 time of the release of this episode, I will be 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.120 home and we are in the time machine. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.840 You guys, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:39.800 get like joy? Like, what are you gonna do when 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.880 you get back to La God? Well, you know around 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.400 get BurgerKing impossible? Like what's your day about? 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.080 I got a burger king impossible this week here. Actually, 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.560 that's funny that you said that I got one this week. 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.360 And my parents, like my mom's been like making dinner 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:54.640 every night, and I'm like, you don't have to make 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.799 a dinner every night. Like we're just gonna get impossibles tonight, 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.000 Like we're in the mood and we haven't had one 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.240 in like a month, like a long time, and she 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:02.880 was like. We were like, do you guys want anything 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.000 from Burger King? And my parents both acted like so 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.160 above it. They like got they were like no, and 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.040 then eventually they were like, Okay, actually get us fish sandwiches. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:11.840 So we got them Burger King and they were like 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.240 this is delicious. They like loved it. But my dad 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:16.880 likes to pretend he's too good for stuff like that 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.840 sometimes and honestly he's not. So uh, he loved his impossible. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.840 But when I go back, I have to like put 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.200 my house back together, because like I cleared it. I 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.040 like I didn't like get rid of furniture, but I 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.960 like cleared our personal shit out of the way for 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:34.160 the renters. So I got to like get all my frames, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.280 like you hit it all. No, not like frames, but 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.440 like all of my like toiletries out in my bed bathroom, 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.520 like all the things in my bathroom drawers, Like the 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:47.679 bathroom was basically cleared out, like I cleared up. Yeah. 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.119 But the day after we get back is the kids' 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.440 first day of school, and so all I have in 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.560 my calendar to do is research for our podcast because 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.520 we record soon after. So like I don't really have 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:06.520 you know, too much on the cow when doing this podcast, 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:12.920 Like it's like it really does feel like college, Like yeah, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:13.600 kind of. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:18.360 And so I had an early spot in the West 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.040 Village and then a really late one and so I 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.360 sat at the vest of you, like I sat at 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.200 the cellar working and everyone was asking questions. You know, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.120 it's like me sitting on a laptop in the dark, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.840 and yeah, I don't know. People are impressed. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.840 Well late speaking of you just brought up college and 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.839 it just reminded me of college students like using AI 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.240 to like write their papers or whatever. But have you 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.560 seen this like meme that people are passing around that's like, yes, 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.560 I do judge you if you use chat GPT, Like 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.920 if you're seeding your creativity to a machine, I think 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.480 less of you or whatever. But what do you think 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:04.560 about people that are not like professional communicators? You know, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.400 like people that are not like don't have like degrees 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.520 in writing and they don't talk for a living like 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.679 some people that are, Like I've talked to some friends 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:13.640 that use chat GPT. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.720 You're the library talks to a friend, right, Like you 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.840 learn you find an example on Google, Like I don't. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:25.600 I agree, there's like a humanity we're willingly giving away. Yeah, 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.360 And the examples in that meme were like, yeah, I 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.640 judge you if you can't write a text to your 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.160 wife or a eulogy for a loved one without a 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.160 computer doing it for you, Like that's fucked. But then 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.240 I saw another me, like another internet thing where it 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:40.600 was like. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:42.880 There's a college professor. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.319 I don't know if this is real, but to get 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.200 everyone to be against AI, he basically is like, okay, 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.800 put in these topics like print out a paper from 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.120 or I don't even know if people print, like get 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.440 a paper from the chat GBT. And then it was 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.840 like fact check it and correct it for grammar, and 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.319 he said like that turns the class against it, having 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:07.600 to actually like proof freedom. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.240 Oh, they actually see how bad it is. Yeah. So 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:11.679 I don't know. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.800 I actually saw that this morning, so I don't I 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.280 didn't look further into it, but like, yeah, I do 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.760 judge you. And I had this conversation with my sister 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.360 because she was like, well, I'm not creative like that, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.079 like I can't write this thing, and this helps me. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.960 And it's like yeah, I have friends, there are many 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.720 resources like you and you have time and you could 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.400 figure it out. And it's like you also are a professional, 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.600 Like I think people are selling themselves short like you 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.440 worked for decades in a like communicating with children, Like 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:44.559 stop selling yourself shore obviously if someone has disability, Like 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.079 there's so many things I'm for, but I want the 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.239 human element. We are succumbing to just profit like always, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.760 But it's like what who benefits? 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.480 I mean, like I have friends that are like I 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.880 have friends that are like it takes forever to write 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.960 an email. I can't think of words this and that. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.720 So the chat gypt just like helps me. And so 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.600 when I saw that meme, it just made me think 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.840 of this friend and like people that have said something 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.160 along those lines to me. And I'm like, yeah, if 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.240 you if you have to write like a difficult email, 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.640 I guess yeah, if you can't write a eulogy and 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.080 speak from the heart about somebody who who died, that 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.679 you've been chosen to read a eulogy, like that's I 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:23.360 there is a. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.760 I understand the good uses and like, yeah, you're writing 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.440 an important email and you get that, but it's like 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.480 I don't know I don't think it's worth it. I 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.920 don't think for like one woman who can't write an email, 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.680 it's worth everything that's happening. I'm just like giving it 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.679 up because at the end of the day, like we 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.520 want a functioning world, right, And like I don't know, 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.280 but I also might just sound like an old person 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.320 and old people always I know, I'm your technology. Yeah, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.319 but it's like, what is life about if nothing is real? 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.840 Like I don't understand. I don't get it. Isn't the 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.160 challenge of having to write or do something that you 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.000 don't know how to do, the point of school in 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.240 life and the world around us, Like I don't. I 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.200 think maybe it's like the fastness of what people want 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.680 from you. Maybe that's the stress. But it's like someone 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.439 said that. Who said this on a podcast? It was 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.800 on an episode of Stradio Lab and this was years ago, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.160 and I think I brought it up on this pod, 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.160 but was it Jake Cornell? But it's like life's about 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.319 going and buying stamps, Like that's what it is. Kurt 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.280 Vonneguet has a little thing about that, but it's like, 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:29.480 that's what that's. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.680 What life's about. Yeah, seeing a different person going and 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.920 doing a little craft figuring stuff out, you know, I 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:42.640 just I don't know doing things is cool, Yes, I 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.560 mean I totally agree and learning because people ask us 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.200 all the time. I would say, like, oh my god, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:48.120 you do your own research. 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.439 You do your own research, and it's like, of course, 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.200 like I want to have a point of view of 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:56.720 the research, like we could get researchers, but what is then. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.440 Why am I doing this? Why am I any of 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.480 the And I'm afraid of you. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.200 And organize it in the way that I want to 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.720 tell it because it's and how do I know what 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:07.679 sources you're using? 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.280 What if I'm against one er? I don't like this 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.800 or like, I mean, it's not for me that even 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.240 when I google something the AI answer at the top, 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.679 I always skip it because it's like always wrong, like 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.160 it's oh I always I do subtraction AI, so I 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.800 don't get any of the yes, really, I just scroll 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:24.880 past it. Like if I put it in like what 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:25.680 does like what. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.280 Does this statue mean or something, the searches can still 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.479 be AI formulated like I do negative. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:34.120 A, so nothing is there interesting. 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.560 But it's also like if I just let someone research, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.320 like would they have figured out that like parental alienation 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.040 is actually a tactic used by abusers, Like I don't know, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:48.000 there's just like I don't but I enjoy this. I 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.439 guess if I hated everything that I did, I would 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.320 do a computer too, because I wouldn't want to do it. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.520 So maybe I'm coming from like a privileged place. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:13:59.920 Yeah, And I think it's like people that are just 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.640 like I have to get this important email written and 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.320 I'm not going to writing emails and I don't. I 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.199 don't have all day, so like I'm just gonna have 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.480 chat ch and it's an unfair quote unquote fight. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:13.000 So like you're going and asking a computer with infinite 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.959 internet things and I'm being a normal It's kind of 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:17.600 how I felt like I was getting ready with a 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.280 friend years ago and I was watching and I'm like, 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.560 do you do all that every time? And she was 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.840 like yeah, And I was like, oh, like I didn't 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.360 realize people were doing all that, you know, Like I'm 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.840 kind of a Tintin moisturizer blush. I love getting my 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.240 shit professionally done, but I have I've used the same 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.040 colors and brands and thing products for years and so 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.880 watching her like powder and do all this stuff and highlight. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.200 I was like, oh, this is an unfair game. I 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.240 didn't realize we were doing all that. So that's another thing. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.000 It's like we all have to give up our humanity. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.240 I don't get that. But like if you can't text 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.400 your partner without chat sheet, like that's what I'm saying, Well, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.720 I trust humans, yes, but people are doing that, and 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.240 that's what I don't trust. I don't trust it. We 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.920 should not give this people because people are not trustworthy, 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.920 I know. But with a partner and they're asking the 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.760 computer stuff, I think that's nuts. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:09.720 I just feel like the toothpaste is out of the 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.480 tube onet like I don't know what we can do, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.640 you know, and that's scary. Are human? 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.760 I just don't get it. I don't care. I don't 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:19.600 get why people are not more mad about it. It 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.800 bothers me. My nephew's roasted me. They were humiliated by me. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.440 And I get computer stuff, I get medicine stuff. I 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.960 get like helping disabled people like I get so it 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.040 has good, it has it has like I just don't 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.040 trust people. So it's like, yeah, I want to help 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:38.880 people that are just maybe they have dyslexia, and this 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.960 would change everything for them, right, like and they but 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.200 uh uh, it doesn't mean you're just because you have 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.440 dyslex You could talk something now, you can like talk 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:48.040 into your father. 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.760 There's like say it dictation. Yeah, there's all kinds of things. 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.440 I didn't know how to. Well, I'm a professional speaker. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:59.240 It's just it's tough because I like when I officiated 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.600 the wedding, I got the handbooklet from the internet church 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.120 right or whatever it is, and I looked at the examples, 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.280 and then I went and talked to other people that 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.840 I know have done it, and I wrote down their advice, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.120 and then I used the format of this thing and 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.920 put my own words in it and ask someone to read. 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.440 Like I guess I could have just put into. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.880 Jet GBT that they like tie food and met at 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:23.880 Portfolio School. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:29.480 You know, it's like or I could have done that. Yeah, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.400 people would have been like, why does Lisa sound like 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.600 a robot up there? This is weird? Is she high? 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.320 I would be devastated. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.280 I asked you to do a speech at a thing 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.160 that really means a lot to me, and a computer 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.920 put it together because you can't spend a little extra time. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:49.040 I don't get it. I never will. I know. I know, 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.040 maybe maybe someone will DMS and convince us, but I know, 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.080 I mean, I'm like talking about for like people that 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.520 are maybe not even using it for profit or for 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.920 something special. They're just like using it for rudimentary But 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.280 I get I mean, I get it. 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.160 I'm taking away what they're in life. And I am 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.520 with the youth like I'm on my phone too much. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.320 I feel disconnected, like I was in Skochie and it 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.520 was just like I nothing is new. I feel so cliche, 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:19.200 like I'm embarrassing. But I just I miss going to 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.600 black bus. I miss human, I miss I miss the thing. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.640 Yeah, I miss, which I think is why New York 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.720 is like New York is such a different city because 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.080 you are just like among people all the time. You 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.920 have to be among people, like you can't be as 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.400 isolated as you can in Los Angeles. And then things 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.800 like chat, GPT and Zoom therapy and everything is like 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.280 making everybody more and more isolated. But like New York, 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:44.920 I feel like is one of the last cities that's 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:46.880 like holding on to, Like you have to be out 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.000 with the people, and I love that about it, you know, Yeah, 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:55.640 CHATGBT therapy that's scary because I have the nerd in cells. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.280 It's not real. It's like I have that use this 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.280 chagypt into the most misogynistic shit. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.760 What. I have a friend that uses chat gypt to 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:10.440 like walk her through certain therapy things, and she she knows. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:11.919 She's like, I know how to like train it to 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.120 like help me. And I was like, wow, I don't 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:15.680 get it, Like I don't. I don't. I've never even 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.960 used it, Like I've never used chat GPT, so I 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:19.320 don't know. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.080 Yeah, and I'll eat my words if I'm wrong, but 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.880 I don't think or words won't matter. 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:26.520 It's like people aren't reading. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:31.560 That's worrisome, Like, oh, who's gonna be a doctor? The 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.000 doctors are using chat gibt Like it's just scary. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:36.199 Yeah, I don't know. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.840 It just scares me, and I'm not into it. I'm 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.560 not into it. I don't want a driverless car. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.119 I want Oh my god, I do not want a 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:53.400 driverless car. I don't. That is so scary to me. Okay, okay, yeah, 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.399 let's get started. We've got a great episode for you 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.760 guys today, and we did not use chat gpt to 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:03.760 make a second of it. Oh my god, we've. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.200 Been dying to do this episode, so I'm really excited. 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.400 I feel like we've been and it's similar to others, 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.600 you know, but yeah, we like it. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:15.000 Yeah. But for some reason, the first ten minutes, I 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.080 was like, have I never seen this episode? Like it 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:22.240 wasn't until it developed a little more that I was like, oh, yes, okay, 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.359 now I know I've seen this episode like a hundred times. 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.119 In fact, I confuse this episode with another episode that 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.120 we've done. I think I confuse this episode with Mother. 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.280 I like conflate that episode sometimes, but no, I remember 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:38.399 this wedding so well. Yeah. For some reason, it's like 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.439 when they're finding that, I'm like, what am I watching? 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.679 I've never seen this? But it was a weird feeling. 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:44.480 But then I was back. 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:44.760 Yeah. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.240 It is kind of like SVU and Simpsons do have 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.640 that in common, where the first ten minutes truly could 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.520 have nothing to do with the rest of it, Right, 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.440 it's just an intro and it's uh, yeah, it'll spin out. 0:19:55.760 --> 0:20:01.160 But season eleven, episode nineteen, we're doing con and honestly, 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.119 the title doesn't actually make sense, does well. 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.080 I think that the episode of the title is about 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.080 the first like twenty minutes, like, and I'm going to 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.919 talk about something that's related to that, Like it's mostly 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.639 about a sort of a Red Herring character. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:20.920 Yeah you know, yeahah yeah. All right, so music is playing. 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.760 We're at the end Tale of a Wedding. Okay, we 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.359 already mentioned the wedding, and a bridesmaid is sitting alone. 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.840 She's not happy she's sitting she's pissed. A man in 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.560 a red suit comes over to flirt and he's like, 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.680 I've been watching you all night and she goes, yeah, 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.280 and I've been watching you and you've tried to fuck 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.280 everyone in here, and I'm not going to be your 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.480 last last bet hurrah. And he's like, come on, you 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.880 got a room and she goes, yeah, with my parents 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:47.760 and it's like, your twenty seven, get your own room. 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:48.400 What are you doing. 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.040 You're in a fucking hotel room with your parents at 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.280 this age, I don't get this at all. He leans 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:55.880 in and he's like, well, I know a place where 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:57.919 we can be alone, and she goes, what type of 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.879 girl do you think I am? And now they're in 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.879 a closet hooking up, but she falls over and she 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:07.280 does fall on a dead body. Face is mangled blood 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:11.359 all over the face like and eyes wide open. Knock good, 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.520 she's hyperventilating, He's in shock. Annie's pissed because he's not 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:17.119 able to like get his dick wet. 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.880 And then Melinda's on the scene quickly. 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:24.080 Male late teens blunt force traumas of the head, no wallet, 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.639 Benson and stalebar are like, e, that's a bad face 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:30.199 and it's truly been beaten off, broken teeth like, but 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.679 the purp did leave a murder weapon, so that's means like, 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.720 probably not planned, probably not a professional hit. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:43.240 And the teens dick is out, which reminds me. So. 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:47.760 A comedian was on stage and I hated their materials 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:52.000 so much and but a part of it and I 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:55.000 did speak to them immediately after. I go, listen, this 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.600 might be annoying and nitpicky, like you don't have to listen, 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.280 but what you're doing is fucked up. But basic it 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:05.560 was a pedophilia joke, but she kept saying slept with 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.080 a child, and so when she got off stage, I 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:09.560 was like, that's actually not a thing. 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:11.600 It's rape a child. You should say rape a child. 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:12.720 You can't fuck a child. 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:15.440 And it ended up being a back and forth where 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.440 she's trying to question me and it's like, you're you're 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:18.800 just wrong. 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.040 I go, I go, it's just not a thing that exists. 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.760 It's just not a real thing because sex implies consent, 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:25.960 and with a kid, there's no consent. So when you 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:28.400 say sex with a kid, you're saying something that does 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.400 not exist, so you have to say rape. 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.040 And she it was like, I think she was annoyed. 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:38.040 I guess I don't care, but just telling you about it, Yeah, 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:39.520 oh well, well I can't wait for you to tell 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:43.800 me who this is. But then she goes, well you 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:44.920 would say fuck a dog. 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.639 And I couldn't think of a comment fast enough, but 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.240 I wish I was like, well, there's no dogs here 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:50.639 in ma Audie, like, what are you talking about? And 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.480 it is right too. She goes, do you think it 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:54.840 like normalizes it? I go, no, that's exactly what I 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.399 think it is. I go, the language is normalizing. It's 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.640 like when they say underage women, that's not a thing. 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.879 These things don't exist, and you're using the language of 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.840 pedophiles while like, excuse it. And then she also had 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.879 a joke where she goes, it's so hard to be 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:10.840 a pedophile that's why rich people do it, right, Like 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.080 it's so hard and it's so hard to do, and 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:14.760 it's like, no, it's actually the easiest thing to do. 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:16.040 That's why losers do it. 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.320 That's why losers fucking do it, because it's easy to 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:23.080 trick a child, like I don't know, it's just because 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:27.960 I like doing spicy material, like I enjoy doing edgy shit. 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.040 But it's like, what is your goal here? What is 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.320 your point? Who are you siding with? Why are you 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:34.920 saying this? Yeah, and why are you arguing with me 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:39.040 when you should actually be thinking me because you're a 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.520 fucking like pedophile forgiver. 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:46.159 I don't know. Ew Okay, I'm glad you said something. Okay, 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:47.200 so now we're back. 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.960 Okay, So the teen dick is out and Stabler is 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:53.639 on one and he goes, well, the victim has his 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:57.639 own weapon out, and it's like, yeah, that's why Melinda 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:01.000 was called. And so there are fluids. Benson and Stabler 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:03.560 are like Penn and Teller here. It's really one of 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:05.920 them got off and then the killer off to this kid, 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:07.760 easy come, not so easy go. 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:10.840 We need to we need one of us or one 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:13.680 of you intrepid listeners needs to seriously make a list 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:15.880 of like all the cum jokes they make on this show, 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:18.639 Like they make so many cum jokes. He came and 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:21.159 then he went easy come, not so easy go, like 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:25.040 so many cum jokes. Yeah, you know what that is. 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.320 This kid's sitting here with his fucking face beaten off 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.600 and you're making cum jokes. It's kind of funny. It's like, 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:31.560 where do we draw the line at Huci who like 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:33.200 it's confusing? 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:38.840 Okay, So, but the kitchen's right down the hall from 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:44.280 this janitor's closet, so someone must have heard something and Minch, I. 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:49.240 Said, Minch, Minch, Finch is fan munch fan fiction. That's Finch, 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:55.240 Is it really? No? I made it up honestly. Okay, 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:56.720 that's our new thing. 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:02.440 So Finch are together right, so fun Okay, fin Shirt 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:05.719 canvassing the staff. We got a chat with the lovebirds 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.720 as well, so and looking at them, it seems like 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.159 this trauma is gonna make them last long term. Like 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:16.280 I like, they're suddenly like really into each other, but 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.120 they're both like it was so fucking gross. She goes 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.680 my hand landed on his crotch. They saw the guy 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:24.240 at the reception and this dude's actually a server. That's 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.560 why he's wearing a red suit, and everything makes more sense. 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.679 But he remembered the shirt because the guy like he 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.159 was serving him drinks all day. So this kid not 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.119 only had a bunch of drinks, he also had a 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:39.120 whole tray of many keysches. So they asked, like bride 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:42.000 or groom side, but nobody fucking knows, but we did. 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.159 What we do find out is the bride was yelling 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.360 at him, and then the father of the bride threw 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:48.800 the sky out, and then the woman's like, listen, my 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.200 friend is a bridezilla, but I don't see her killing 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:54.240 a dude like a teen and scratching off his face 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.520 bloody and Benson, it makes a little joke again and goes, 0:25:57.720 --> 0:25:59.719 maybe he gave her the wrong China pattern. 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:03.440 I think if you're wearing all white and you bash 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:05.680 someone's face in, there's gonna be a couple of droplets. 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:07.439 We're gonna have to get Dexter in there, you know 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:07.880 what I mean? 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:13.080 It is crazy, like Dexter's giving me a drellale that 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:14.840 I haven't had from something in a while, Like I 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:16.960 just love it, like I missed him, like I don't know, 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:18.520 I'm obsessed. 0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.040 Same kid playing his son from They didnt recast it, 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:21.360 did they? 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.440 Okay, And even Stabler looks at Benson like, bitch, relax, 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:26.159 stop with their little China jokes. 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.080 Come only here. And we're in the credits. 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:31.920 We're in the credits and we're talking to the bride 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.199 and groom in the lobby and they've never met the 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:35.960 city it before wedding crasher. 0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:38.840 He made a toast which is so bold. 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.320 And then the groom, who is played by an actor 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:46.280 who's also in season sixteen Agent Provocateur with Patti Lapolm. 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:50.000 His name is Kareem Savillan, and I recognized him from 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.600 the other like, I went, this is an SV guy 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:54.040 and it was so I felt it was. 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:55.960 The groom who has like one line in this You're like, 0:26:55.960 --> 0:27:00.240 I've seen him in another one. Yeah, a symptom of 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:06.560 the illness, yes, But also he's in an episode of Girls. 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.840 He was the door guy that Showshana Me makes out 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:15.520 with in season two while she's dating Ray. So whatever, 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.800 if you're listening, I recognized you immediately. But anyways, he goes, oh, man, 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.399 that was the best toast of the night, and it's like, 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:23.000 what duds. 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.080 Are you hanging out with that? The best toast was 0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.760 done by a tea and you've never seen a stranger, 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:28.680 he said. 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:32.320 People were in tears, but then they realized nobody knew him, 0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.480 and so the dad walks into the lobby and he's like, 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:38.399 that mooch, he ruined my fucking wedding. I could have 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:40.679 killed him, and it's like, you shouldn't say that to 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.240 the police, but the dad just threw him out the 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.600 fire escape. So now Finn is watching the footage with 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.960 hotel security, and you know, it's a good looking guy 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.240 before his face was bashed in and that's I don't 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.399 know if I said that or Finn, so I don't know, 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.120 but the only way back in. The security guard says 0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.399 this through the lobby, but no one ever came in 0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:01.640 through the front, so how did he get back in? 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:05.360 So we keep watching the camera of this back exit 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.200 and someone opened the door for him, so it has 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.919 to be someone from the reception. Now we're back to 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:14.080 footage from the lobby and we see him going up 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.760 in an elevator with another man and it's an old 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.000 guy and they get off on the seventh floor and 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.359 into the same hotel room, so uh oh, someone's getting lucky. 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:26.240 And this guy has been in four SVUS Sacrifice, True 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:30.399 Believers and Townhouse Incident. His name is Kevin gear And 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.800 who sadly passed away in twenty seventeen. And he's playing 0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:36.560 a man from Utah with a wife and six kids. 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.720 So he's like a in the closet devious type of guy, 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:44.520 and he's trying to lie to Finn. But when Finn's like, hun, 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:48.280 I saw the security tapes, this guy's face drops and 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:52.440 he is the bride's godfather. And basically he was chatting 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:55.600 up with this teen all night and the teen brought 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.600 up going somewhere. The boy's name was Jack, and he 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:02.080 charged two hundred dollars, but he's denying the killing. He's 0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.080 like he was in and out in an hour, and 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.760 he goes, Andy's a thief. He stole my rolex, but 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.600 the rolex was not found on the body, so now 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:13.040 where with Stabler? And he found an ID So it's 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:16.600 a sixteen year old Andrew Hingham and Jake is a 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.560 fake name, which is like fine, if you're, you know, 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.440 out there selling sex, you can you can go by Jack, 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.920 you know, But do guys do sexy names like girl 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:28.120 strippers and stuff like do guys have like diamond or 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:29.200 you know, passion? 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.600 I think, I mean, I just go my mind goes 0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:35.640 right to Jax Taylor, whose name is Jason Coucy, you know, 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.800 like he definitely made his name more like kind of 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:43.200 hot Jason to Jack's like, yeah, but I don't know. Yeah, 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:44.880 I don't know if girls do, Like what was the 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:46.560 one we just did where we talked to the girl 0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.680 from passion? Yeah, passion, Like I don't know if they 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:53.000 do a little like because what would your name be? Like, 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.280 I don't know, Yeah, I don't think guys do little names, 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:58.480 but yeah, like I don't know if Jack is hot, 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:00.880 but I guess Jack's hotter than Andrew. I don't know. 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.600 Anyways, So Finn joins him, and it's like, damn, I 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.200 wonder how this old man's gonna explain rape of a 0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.959 male miner to his wife, and also where is the watch? 0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:14.400 And where did you find this wallet? And now much 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.600 comes out and he's been digging in the trash, so 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.320 he's the one I found all this, and nobody but 0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.720 the kitchen staff has access to that trash. So now 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.240 they're going to ask everyone that works in the kitchen. 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:31.560 So somebody did rob this child after like this illegal 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:35.360 sex work thing. I mean, it's really it's really a lot. 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.680 So we're talking a lot. It's a lot of steps 0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:38.880 he had. 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.760 I would say he had a very different night, you know, 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.160 so many elements of his night, sneaking into the way. 0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:45.960 Like there's just like a lot, a lot going on. 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.520 So one of the workers is wearing a watch. He 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.240 stole it. He goes when the girls screamed, they all 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.920 went running and he grabbed the watch and wallet and 0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.840 he said the wallet was empty. He swears, But they 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.320 arrest him and the old man and they put him 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.719 in the cages in the middle of the precincts. Craigan 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.840 walks by them and goes shut up. So now they're 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.960 having a center squadroom meeting, and I think it's weird 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:10.880 of a meeting about the case with the two people 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.480 caged up in like listening to the meeting, No. 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:18.440 Yeah, that is weird. Like they're right there and they're like, Okay, 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.040 who do we got suspect twice It's like these two 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.040 guys that are with an earshot. That is strange. 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.400 Yeah, So now they're having a center squadroom meeting. I 0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:28.960 did just say that and I repeated it, so they 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.920 do have evidence that this Utah man stayed in his room. 0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.840 And also the kitchen dude was like, take my DNA 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.720 here and my prints. I don't care, but the watch 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.480 is twenty five grand and that's a felony grand larceny, 0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:43.600 So what a bad decision? Like you probably thought nothing 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:45.720 of it, and it's like you're going away for a 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:47.720 fucking felony. And he's not a citizen because he was 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.160 scared of Like yeah, he was like, don't deport me. 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:52.920 And also did you notice like that even in this 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:58.280 episode which came out in like twenty ten, uh Munch 0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:00.480 at the beginning of questioning, all the kitchen workers goes, 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.240 we're not we don't care about your immigration status. 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.800 We're not with IC. But they don't say ICE. They 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.600 say IC and it's like, wow, that was like a 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.120 term that wasn't even in our minds in twenty ten, 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:14.400 you know, yeah, and now it's like unfortunately always on 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:14.920 our minds. 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:21.000 But bummer, Okay, now bigger bummer. Benson and Stabler go 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.760 tell Andrew's mother that her son is dead, so she's crying. 0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:26.560 They're still trying to get scoop out of her though, 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:27.960 and it's like, can you just give her a few 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:29.880 seconds to more in the death of her son, like 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.840 I don't under like she needs to help investigate now, 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:37.640 But she explains her son's always been depressed and she 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.240 wants to see her son, and they're like, bad idea, babe, 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.040 Like the face is fucked. But they ask her for 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.320 a toothbrush or hairbrush or anything that can do some 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:49.600 DNA confirmation on him since his face and teeth are gone. 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.080 So she says, the room is just like he left it, 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.760 and so they're like, well, what do you mean left it? 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.000 He ran away seven months ago. He calls every Sunday 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.440 and Skype and she's been waiting all day for his call, 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.880 and he came back once back home, but it was 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:07.320 to steal her laptop. So now we hear the Skype 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:09.480 ring tone ringing, and she's like, wait, wait, I only 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.520 talked to him on there, and it's fucking Andrew. 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:12.720 Andrew is alive. 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:14.880 He has a black eye, and he says I'm scared 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.800 something bad has happened, and the mom is just so 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.880 happy he's alive, and then he realizes the cops are there, 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:24.160 and he disconnects immediately and he says, don't tell them 0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.960 anything right before hanging up. She's like, why the fuck 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.760 did you scare him away? You stupid assholes, And dramatic 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:32.520 music plays, and now the detectives are back at work. 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.400 Craigan is apologizing to the mom over the mix up, 0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:36.320 huge mix up? 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:37.920 Do you think like they give like do they have 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:38.400 gift cards? 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:38.680 Ready? 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:40.280 You'll be like, my bad, but here's two hundred and 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.920 fifty dollars, Like well, I'm yeah, Like you would think 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.120 they'd say, we know your son is missing. We add 0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.960 some like can we get the hair brush or the teeth? 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:51.959 They didn't know they didn't know the sun was missing. 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.920 They found out there, right but right, but like before 0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.280 you say he's dead, you just go, we do have 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.080 like you know, maybe you don't say definitively he's dead, 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:04.440 just we need help in identifying, Yeah, like an out. 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.560 Their eye colors are different, like you couldn't even be like, 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:07.880 what eye color is your son? 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:09.919 Like they just went off this ID, but the ID 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:17.680 and the body's eyes don't match. Wait, yeah, dude, god, 0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:22.800 we're good. Okay, So Craigan's like, don't worry those detectives 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.760 are off the case. That seems like a lie, but okay, 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.759 Craigan goes on and asks, why, oh, but Finn does 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:30.200 take over. 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.480 Finn does take over most Yeah, I was gonna say 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:34.920 Benson and Stabler are sort of gone the rest of 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:35.319 the time. 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:38.120 No, Yeah, it's fin heavyer right, So there is no lie. 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.440 Craigan's setting setting up the Those two are busy. They 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:43.360 had like they had to go to like the fucking 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:45.359 upfronts or something. There was like a reason they had 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.839 to let let them out for the day. Craigan goes 0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:51.160 on and asks, why why would this like dead man 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.840 have her son's I d She doesn't know because he 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:57.040 has no friends. She also denies that her son is 0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.200 gay or a sex worker, but she's more pissed about. 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.080 The gay than the sex worker. So just like preference, 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:03.480 I guess. 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.560 But he's been living on the streets and she and 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:11.080 so he could be you know, like USh. But listen, 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:14.520 she's like, first he is dead, now he's gay. Let 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:17.680 me tell you how wrong you are. He was accused 0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.000 of raping a girl last summer. 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:24.279 What just she's like bragging on it to be like 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.680 my son is an accused rapist of women, not like 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:32.080 just because it would be so bad, like the gay 0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.359 panic of this woman is really on another level, Like 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.960 that's a wild thing to just offer the police about 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:40.960 your son who's on the run and just said something 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:46.200 bad happened, like so crazy, So we need more info 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:48.720 obviously on all that. So someone called the girl's parents 0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:51.160 and told them that Andrew forced her to have sex 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.880 against her will. The psychiatrist talks to the school like 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.560 his psychiatrists and the parents and everyone, and convinced them 0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:00.920 that Andrew belongs in a hospital, not in jail, and 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.960 it's because he's super depressed. And Craigan's like, okay, but 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.719 that's not usually like a defense for rape. But the 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.120 mom says, well, doctor Stanton said that Andrew had a 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:13.520 complete mental breakdown. She diagnosed him with early onset schizophrenia. 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.840 He was hospitalized in August and in October there was 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:19.799 a huge escape, and she says that people convinced him 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:22.200 to run away, like with them. You know, she's a 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.840 boy mom, so it's not his idea. I thought the 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.160 same thing. It was like another hashtag boy mom. 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:31.839 He's very suggestible, she says, always desperate to belong So 0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.359 Craigan and Finn are in a hallway and he is 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.200 the suspect. Craigan goes, okay, how about we figure it 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.520 out fully before you know, fucking with this mother again, Like, 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.799 let's just figure shit out. So Huang is there and 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:46.880 to be like, well, you know, hallucinations and voices can 0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.960 lead to violence, but most people with schizophrenia aren't a 0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.360 danger to like themselves or others. 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.200 So we'll see. But I also we've seen it happen 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:55.960 on this show before. 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.000 Fit is like, okay, he is depressed, then rapes a girl, 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.680 then goes to the nuthatch, and then what's a nuthatch? 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:07.640 That's a mental hospital. Yeah, it's like an insensitive way 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.520 of saying it, like looney bin essentially for sure. 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.560 But for some reason I was thinking like sneaks into 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:17.560 a wedding, so I was like, I didn't know nuthatches are, Like, okay, 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.359 So Finn says he's depressed, then rapes a girl, then 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:23.920 goes to the nut atch, and then possibly murders a 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:28.920 gay hustler. That sounds dangerous to Finn, but Huang is like, 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:32.359 listen to the listen you know, like the younger you are, 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.320 the harder it is to treat schizophrenia, and sixteen is 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:40.160 pretty young to have schizophrenia, like it's usually more just 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.840 later teens twenties. Munch comes in and he has photos 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:47.200 from the photographer at the wedding, very episode wet, and 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:50.319 he says, our victim wasn't the only party crasher. And 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:53.440 in the background we see Andrew alone in the background 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:57.360 of every photo. So now it's maybe Jack and Andrew 0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:59.760 are partners. But like this boy looks. 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:00.480 Really really sad. 0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:03.759 Maybe he's like mad that this guy like that his 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.600 friend Jack went with this old Utah man and then 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.000 dragged him into the storeroom and murdered him in a 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:13.120 jealous rage. And this is like Munch's little hypothesis. So 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:15.200 since he might be a danger, we need him off 0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:18.400 the streets. Craigan wants to release the photos of Andrews 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:19.240 to the public. 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:20.240 This seems crazy. 0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.359 Craigan asks Swang to see how a bunch of people 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.400 were able to escape Bellevue as well. 0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:27.400 Maybe the Annabelle doll was around. 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.239 So he goes, well, you mentioned he's being treated by 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:34.280 doctor Stanton, so I'm gonna start there. So yeah, Hwang 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.880 goes to meet her she's super hot, half hair pulled, 0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:38.600 like you know, half up, half down? 0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:40.840 Is there a name for half up half down? Or 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:42.520 I have to say half up half down? Every time 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:44.759 my whole life had says have said some hair up 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:47.480 some here down there is like think that there is. 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.480 I don't know if there's a name, but I've always 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:51.759 said some her up somewhere down. 0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.000 Yeah, I don't know why, like a man in the 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.920 iron mask hare, like there needs to be a name. 0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:00.560 Yeah, like a half Nielsen or something. I know that's 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.480 like a skateboard move, but like, yeah, there should be 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:03.319 like a name for it. 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.600 So she's telling Huang that if I mean to have 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.239 a character named Huang when the real actor's name is Wang, 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:10.319 is like so fucked up. 0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:14.279 It's like, really, they're they're fucking with us. Yeah, I 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:16.400 don't know if they could have known that we would 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:20.440 someone would be talking about in this detail, this stuff 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:21.840 that we do, but it is. 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.759 It drives me fucking crazy. But she's like, if he 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.000 was under my care, he'd be a fully functioning member 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.840 of society. Alie Walker is the address, and she is 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.839 the address. She's the actress and. 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:38.480 I love her because she has always stuck out to me, 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.160 like she was in Sons of Anarchy as like an 0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:43.480 FBI agent who's really trying to get I think she's 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:45.560 an FBI agent. She's like really trying to take down 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.400 Jax Teller and the gang. And she's really good. Yeah, 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:49.879 she's great. 0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:53.640 And she got her start on something called Santa Barbara episodes. 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.360 Oh soap. Yeah, so that's like really exciting. 0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.200 I just know they're the like I just know people 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.399 that do soaps are really good memorizers, and I become 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:07.760 immediately jealous, you know, I'm like, cool, you memorizing, bitch. 0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:13.720 So anyways, in the background, someone is getting electrocompulsive therapy, 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:17.879 so someone's truly shaking getting electrocuted in the background while 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.239 being held down. It's like really fucked. And Huang is 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:24.720 judging her and asking about ECT and she's like, listen, 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:25.319 I'm a fan. 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.719 I love it, and it's just like really hard to watch. 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:30.800 She's like, there's actually like no problem with it. They're like, 0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:32.400 maybe that's the reason he ran away. She's like, no, 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:34.799 he actually like loved that, like this was his favorite part, 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:37.560 like having a spoon in his mouth and getting fully electrocuted. 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:38.560 He loved it. 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.839 God, she walks off and is like, listen, a carn 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.360 artist scammed his way into the hospital under a voluntary commitment, 0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:50.479 and Andrew fell under his spell. He this like, this 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.480 guy was not her patient, but he wreaked havoc on 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:56.319 the whole hall. And the guy's name was Jack Robinson, 0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.759 so he scammed keys, he passed three guards, stole ten 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:03.000 brand in medical stuff from the pharmacy, So this guy's 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:07.520 really wild. And Melinda does find Jack's prince in the system. 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:11.160 Something popped up. There's identity theft where he passed himself 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.680 off as Donald Trump's son. 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:18.000 Well I miss that, yeah, wow. 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:22.040 And Melinda also said that his talk screen reads like 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:28.359 Elvis alcohol, Benzo's opiates methamphetamines. Prince on the weapon are 0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:30.640 not in the system though, and they don't match anyone 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.440 in the kitchen staff, but it matches the prince she 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:37.560 got off of Andrew's brush, So did Andrew do it? 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:39.520 And Munch is like, but why would he leave his 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:43.120 id there if he did do it? And also Jack 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.040 is nineteen, so Utah guy actually gets. 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:46.760 No rape charges. 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.719 He did not rape a minor, but his wife's still 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:54.200 matt and refuses to pay his bail. So hella, but yeah, 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:57.200 so it's like normal sex work. So Melinda goes, I 0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:01.960 only found Utah's semen, only one set of stemens and 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:05.000 so and the detectives ask more questions, and she goes, listen, 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.759 his father's coming up to id the body, maybe talk 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.320 to him to get some answers. We meet the dad 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.000 behind and like you know, behind the glass, and like 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:14.840 they put the sheet back over his dead son, and 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.680 he says, I guess Jack finally conned the wrong person. 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:20.919 The dad explains that his son has been running get 0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:24.080 rich quick schemes from the time he could talk, and 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:27.440 the mother always believed him, but like you know, the 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:29.879 dad just knew better, and the mom just kept giving 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.440 him money. He goes, my son was a genius, but 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.080 once he left, he just like never came back. And 0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:37.799 they would get video postcards, but that's all he knows 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:39.920 about his son. And the videos are like really creepy, 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:45.240 and he does look exactly like the blonde Trump son Eric. Yeah, 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.160 and he's in a suit and he's pitching his parents 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:50.080 an investment opportunity and he needs ten grand and it 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:52.799 ends with and I love you, and his mom gave him, 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:54.680 you know, one more shot and sent him money, but 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:57.600 like to wear, what's the address? And the only address 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.640 that he had was a place he volunteered called Willilliam's home. 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:03.879 So Finn goes to William's home and he knows somebody there. 0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.160 Finn walks in and it's Ken. It's his son, former 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:09.919 guests of the pod. He doesn't want to chat with him, 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.359 even though they haven't seen each other in months. And 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.239 you know, Ken is acting busy, and he goes, what 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.040 do you want? Like this better be a friendly chat 0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.200 because it's about one of my kids. This can't be good. 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:21.520 And he shows him a photo of the boys and 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.439 Ken goes, that's frickin' frack. Fenn says, well they were. 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:29.520 Jack was murdered and Ken is not surprised because Jack 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:32.400 lived on the edge. Finn says his father said he 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:36.080 volunteered there, but Ken says he never helped anybody but himself. 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:39.760 He only crashed there when like something better had fallen through. 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:43.000 But like that makes sense, why wouldn't you, like right, 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:46.480 I would sleep somewhere better too before going to like 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.359 a worse pla Like I don't get oh that's a 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:54.640 sign of you know, dban behavior. But now tell us 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:58.520 about Andrew. We hear he's a good kid, and Ken's like, yeah, 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:00.239 I can reach him. I feel like I can reach him, 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.080 but I Andrew hasn't been here in days. Finn wants 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:06.080 like a call if he shows up, and to ask around, 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:07.719 and he's like, no, these are street kids. They're not 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.120 going to round each other. Finn doesn't like that and 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.400 gets loud and in Ken's face and he's like, is 0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:15.480 there something you're not telling me? And he goes, these 0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:17.960 kids trust me and I never told them. My dad's 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:21.279 a cop for a reason. And Finn reminds him, you're 0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.560 not a priest. Your shit's not privileged, and he goes, 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.080 I'll ask around, and that's just to shut him up. 0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.440 So now we go to Taru and you know, Joel 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:36.400 de la Fuente is there, Ruben Morales, so many names. Okay, 0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:38.920 they're trying to crack into his computer that he stole 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:42.480 from his mother using her password, and I know you 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:44.360 can do this, but this seems crazy. 0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:45.560 But they're controlling the computer. 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:47.799 He has access to the webcam too, so they'll like 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.480 see anything that's in front of the webcam and they're 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:53.759 just like working his computer because the laptop's just on 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.279 and open and ready to go and can just access it. 0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:59.960 And why would the mom give her password up? Nothing 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:00.560 makes sense. 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:02.719 I swear that the mom gives the password up because 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:04.440 she seems pissed at the cop. She's like, first you 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:06.000 said he was dead, then you said he's gay, now 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:08.959 you want now you want my password? Like it is weird, Yeah, 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.880 but she gives it up. So we're watching live and 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:15.279 we see all these buildings and like, yeah, they use 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:17.440 the buildings to get the location, and we're on the scene. 0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:19.960 Finn and Munchs are waiting. It's a nice apartment building. 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.719 Finn leaves Munch though, because his son lives a few 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:24.880 blocks away, so he's like, you know, I feel like 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.320 Ken's holding something back, and he lives a few blocks 0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:31.840 from you know this wherever Andrew is or Andrew's laptop is. 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:35.600 And so Finn goes in, but Ken doesn't live there 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:39.000 anymore since December, the old woman says. The old Woman's like, 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.560 I've been living here since December, and I checked the 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:44.399 time stamp and it's February sixteenth, so it says two 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:46.840 and a half to three months, like right February December 0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.560 to February, but later month says five months. 0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:52.880 Come on, guys, let's get the timeline correct. I've become 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:58.480 the dork. I hate detective. I've become an embarrassment. 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:03.120 So it's post Valentine's Day, okay, but so Ken's holding 0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.200 a lot back, like Ken moved and didn't. But the 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.160 woman has his mail and she wants she needs to 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:10.040 get it to him, but she does not want to 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.480 give it to Finn until Finn says that he's a 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:13.480 cop and the father. 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:15.200 But wouldn't the father know. 0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:19.520 They'll give you as an act of good dad or 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:21.120 a co like, wouldn't they have the address? 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:25.520 Yeah? Still suspicious and this is why the elderly are scammed. 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:29.120 They're not thinking. So she also and. 0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:30.799 She goes, oh my god, I love Ket, You've raised 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:34.480 like an amazing son. He left self address, stamps, envelopes 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.960 for her and she gives everything over to him and 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:40.160 gets what the new addresses. The fucking building that Munch 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:43.480 is at so much goes you find anything, and Finn 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:47.359 says high blood pressure. Ken moved into this building five 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:50.880 months ago, and like I said, not according to my math, 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:55.040 but maybe he's like exaggerating and wants something, but this 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.960 is no coincidence. His son might be harboring a killer. 0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.040 So we jumped to Finn just like pushing it through 0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.239 Ken's door, pushing him against the wall. Ken goes, are 0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:07.640 you crazy? But Finn's just pissed. They're screaming at each other. 0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:10.759 Ken goes, he moved in here with his boyfriend, and 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.560 Finn goes, you're banging this kid, and Ken is pissed. 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:16.200 He's a minor. 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.680 And you think I'm a pedophile because I'm gay, and 0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:23.200 Ken screams, Andrew is straight, and Finn goes, yeah, right, 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:27.000 his best friend's a gay hustler. And Ken has to 0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:29.399 break the news that straight men and gay men can 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:33.280 be friends. They're allowed to be friends, and Finn goes, yeah, okay, 0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:36.360 and so what's Andrew doing here? Ken says that he 0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:38.560 found him waiting on his stoopid when he got home 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.520 and someone had beat him up and he was very upset. 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:43.920 Finn is so pissed that he has street kids at 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:47.160 his house and that he's doing counseling sessions there. And 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:50.600 Finn's fuming, like you're letting these street kids in here 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:54.719 lude steal anything, and Ken screams, I'm trying to get 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:59.040 them off the street, and I love him, So Ken 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.120 says that he had him convinced to go back to 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:04.200 his mom's house, and Andrew just stores his computer here 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.080 to skype with his mother, and Ken gives him privacy. 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:11.880 But when like Ken entered the room, Andrew was running 0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:14.399 freaked out. But honestly, at the end of the day, 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:17.160 like stop fighting and find this kid, Like we're done 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:20.520 with your little family trauma. Let's go father son, get 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.759 to work day. So you know, diddy Murder's friend is 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.120 someone trying to kill him? Like is he in danger? 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:29.120 What is going on? Where could he be? And Ken 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:32.840 finally does like help his father. So where do like 0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.800 street kids hang out? Hospital Er is a good place 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:39.839 to chill, and then they like a hotel conference room 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:42.440 is a place to hang out, and they don't look homeless, 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:45.320 so they could always just pretend to be like drunk guests. 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:49.680 And then also the Metropolitan Opera House, like they go 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:51.920 in as everyone's being let out and they hang out 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:54.760 in the lady's lounge because there's like a separate powder 0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:58.600 room and comfy couches, and that's where Ken does find 0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:02.680 him sleeping. It's super pretty and pink, but Andrew freaks out, 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.360 like you brought the cops with you, and then Finn 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:09.600 arrests him. Fuck you, Finn, like be chill. And then 0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.359 Andrew's screaming like you betrayed me. I thought you were 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:16.200 my friend. I trusted you. Ken feels bamboozled too. 0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:19.160 He's screaming like you just said you were gonna question him, 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:20.160 what are you doing? 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.759 But they actually can't even talk to him till his 0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:26.080 mother gets to the scene. So he's in cement room. 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:29.239 Bars Kwan, Kragan and Finn are on my shit list 0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:32.920 right now watching Andrew, but Huang is actually happy, like 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:34.400 you know, he's off the streets. 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:37.440 Ken gets a call from Andrew. He runs in. 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.120 He wants to talk to him, and they allow him 0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:42.080 to go in there because he's not acting on behalf 0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:45.760 of the NYPD, but they're listening, of course, but Andrew 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.960 spills the truth to Ken. He's like, I hated that wedding. 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.040 I didn't want to be there. I was relieved when 0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:53.360 he was kicked out, but he wanted to go back in. 0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:55.120 I should have left. I should have left when he 0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:57.160 went to go have sex with that guy. But we 0:49:57.239 --> 0:50:00.839 had plans to steal caviar from the storeroom, and Ken 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:04.399 is so disappointed, like, Jack sucks, you can't trust him, 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:07.120 what are you doing? And he goes, But he's the 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:10.600 one who saved me from that mental institution and he goes, 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:12.960 you know, with Jack, I feel alive again. And this 0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:19.040 guy's such a good actor. And he plays Morello's Morello's right, 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:21.560 is he not? Morello's person in Orange is a new Black? 0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:26.480 I think he is. But he's also in the another 0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:30.560 SF episode later called Institutional Fail, the Whoopy Goldberg episode 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:34.319 Oh my God, where he's like the other like he's 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:37.239 like the young social worker that's like he's like, you know, 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:39.560 he doesn't know how many he has so many cases 0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:40.279 to keep up with. 0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:43.120 You're not gonna believe this. I brought up Institutional Fail 0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:46.920 yesterday to somebody. I bring it up all the time. 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:50.640 I mean that like monologue Whoopy Goldberg does just like really, 0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:54.920 oh my god. He was in The Materialists, Oh yeah, 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.399 John mcgarough, like he's I watch that though, Why don't 0:50:57.400 --> 0:51:00.600 I remember him? I saw that in the movies. He 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:04.160 was in Past Lives. He has a really amazing career, 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:06.360 and it makes sense. He's like so good in this episode. 0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:09.360 He is really talented. Yeah, Orange is the new Black. 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:12.200 Vince mcm I don't know, I can't say it. 0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:15.920 No, but isn't John Morgaro also good friends with Ari Grainer, 0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:18.160 didn't he? She bring him up to us in like 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:20.160 one of our first foy That was our third episode 0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:22.040 we've ever done. If you think I remember who Ari 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:24.919 Grainer said that, she remember her talking about how they're 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:27.879 good friends. I feel like I remember that. But he's 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:31.719 very he's very, very working, very good. How crazy is this? 0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:34.440 He's born February sixteenth to nineteen eighty three, and this 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:36.320 episode takes place on February sixteen. 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:42.520 Oh little b day birthday episode for him, Yes, John Magaro. 0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:46.799 So then he says, oh, no, I can't believe I 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:51.640 killed him. So Ken's screams, stopped talking, but he doesn't. 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:53.319 We need to know what happens. So he tried to 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:56.280 kiss him, so he shoved him off, and he got violent. 0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:58.200 He was flying high, he was on meth and he 0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:01.400 tried to rape him orally. And so you know this, 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:05.319 Andrew is hitting Jack. Jack's trying to rape Andrew and 0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:09.360 they're like physically fighting, and then he pushes Jack and 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:12.160 he hits his head and he stops breathing, but eyes open, 0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:15.279 and you know, Andrew's so upset. He's like, I knew, 0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:18.200 he knew I wasn't gay. I can't believe this is 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:22.439 happening to me again. I trusted someone. And he goes, 0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:25.440 I was so mad that I smashed his face with 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:28.239 with whatever I could find. I was so pissed. And 0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:30.120 then it's like, okay, but why'd you leave your wallet? 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.759 And he goes, well, I panicked his face was gone. 0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:35.080 I thought if he was dead, and like people thought 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:37.880 I was dead, then I could finally get away. Hwang 0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:40.759 and Craigan are doing a walk and talk and they're like, well, 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:44.759 it's self defense, but also like how do we know this? 0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:47.040 So I'm glad they're like on board with the self 0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:49.200 defense of it all, but like, you know, we need 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:49.879 to make sure it. 0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:51.840 All aligns with evidence. 0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:54.840 But also he said, you know, like I'm trying to 0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:56.840 get away, like I want to finally get away. So 0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:58.920 who what is he talking about? Is it his mom? 0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:03.400 And Craig then calls his mom a pill popper. But 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:05.480 then we find out, you know, Andrew's always been depressed 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.680 and we're just waiting for Huang to give us some scoop, 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:11.000 and he thinks, you know that Andrew has all the 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:13.840 red flags for abuse. Huang goes to talk to his doctor, 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:17.160 Stanton to get more information. So Craigan sees a girl 0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:19.879 sitting at the precinct as Huang leaves to go talk 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:25.200 to the doctor again. And this girl is looking for Andrew. 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:28.960 So her name is Mallory Sidwell and she's the girl that, 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:32.279 like Andrew, was accused of raping and got sent to 0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:35.520 the hospital. And Craigan's like, oh, don't worry, he's in custody, like, 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:37.640 you don't have to be scared, and she goes and no, 0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:39.759 he didn't rape me. This is a giant mistake. I 0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:43.160 never even accused him. Whoever told my parents he raped me? 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:43.600 Lied? 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:47.960 Andrew is my boyfriend. So Huang is now asking Stanton 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.680 about Mallory and she says, the sexual assault with the 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:54.840 schizophrenia happened all at the same time, and he just 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:58.040 wasn't in charge of his actions. But then she sees 0:53:58.120 --> 0:53:59.880 Mallory in wood room blind. 0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:01.680 So I don't know how this time worked out and 0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:03.440 how Stanton got here, and see like this. 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:07.000 Is all a little silly, silly, I mean, yeah, I hate. 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:09.880 I don't like poking holes because I'm not here to 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:11.200 do that. 0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:16.000 Oh I do. I mean there's a lot. There's also 0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:19.000 like how much trouble could you get in if somebody 0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:21.520 randomly calls parents and says, did this boy rape you? 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.680 And then you go, no, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't. 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:25.640 He's still getting in a ton of trouble. Like I don't, 0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:29.080 I don't get it. Like, I guess you could, you know, 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:31.920 punish kids for having sex too young or whatever, but 0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:35.799 like it seemed like this kid got institutionalized based off 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:38.480 something that the girl, the quote unquote victim said never happened. 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:40.319 So that's what I don't guess. 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:42.560 Yeah, but I think it's kind of like statutory things 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:43.799 like if the parents want it. 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:48.239 Yeah, but he's sixteen, yeah you know. So yeah, I 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:49.480 don't know. I don't know. 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:54.840 So you're right, you're right. Okay, So so Stanton, I 0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:57.080 guess is a meeting? Ahnglong didn't go meet her. 0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:03.600 She brushed over, sees Mallory in woodroom blinds and she goes, 0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:06.320 why is she here? And Wang goes, well, she says 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:09.319 it was consensual, and the doctor goes, well, you know, 0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:13.960 classic guilt reaction. Victims blame themselves, but Stanton is blaming 0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.080 Mallory on the onset of all the psychotic stuff that's 0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.560 going on with Andrew and that she was actually doing 0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:21.040 all these. 0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:24.160 Sexual advances, so I don't care what's happening. Quang is 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:25.640 trying to come up with an answer to all this, 0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:28.080 and Stanton is knocking all of them down. She's like, 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:30.920 if I didn't get involved, the violence would have escalated. 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:31.600 I'm a hero. 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:36.680 And Kwang's like, oh, you told Mallory's parents, and she goes, well, 0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:38.400 I was legally bound to you know. 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:40.240 He was still a threat to her. 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:42.799 So it's like, wait, so she's sexually advanced and then 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:45.320 he's a threat to her, Like I don't understand what's 0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:48.120 going on. Yeah, And he's like, wait, so you had 0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:51.080 him committed instead of jail. His mom must have been 0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:54.480 happy with that. But she looks down and that means liar, 0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:56.759 and she says, well, I don't treat Joyce, but I 0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.359 know that she has struggled with her own issues, and 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:03.000 I think she was overwhelmed with her later in life child. 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:06.320 She says she's been seeing Andrew for about four years 0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:09.440 and there were tons of barriers that she couldn't break through, 0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:12.919 and Huang doesn't like her and is like, Andrew talks 0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:16.239 about getting away. Maybe he was talking about Mallory, not 0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:20.920 his mother. And she's lost and confused and she's like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:24.160 oh my, you talk to him. She's like, I want 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:27.279 to talk to him, but like Huang goes, no, you 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.040 can't talk to him till he's arraigned. So now we're 0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:32.680 at the office of eighty A. Kendra Gill who is this? 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:35.560 Who is who is Kendra Gill? Who is this woman? 0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:43.480 Who is she? So sorry? It sound like I was 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:44.080 yelling at you. 0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.719 So Finn's there too, and basically this lawyer is screaming 0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:52.080 at them like get it together, and Ken's like, I'm 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:54.960 done being used. I'm not going on the stand and 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:56.680 he's not helping him put away. 0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:01.640 And so Kendra Gill is a defense attorney who later 0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:06.520 becomes a new Jersey eightya I think, oh does she 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:07.560 do shady as shit? 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:09.680 Is she in the episode where she's shady and like 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:11.840 doing something bad and gets caught lying? 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:15.160 Or like she's later in Father Dearest and Rhodium Knights, 0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:19.040 which are the Delia Banks episodes, so I don't know mine, 0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:23.600 and she actually becomes she's yeah, she's a Jersey Ada, 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.880 and then later she's a New York Ada who works 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:27.680 with the SVU. I don't know. It's I don't know. 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:30.400 They got this lady a lot of times. Gretchen Eagle 0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:32.120 if we've talked about her, because I've looked up that 0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:35.800 name before. Yes, what that's the answer to the age 0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:37.400 old question who is Kendra Gill? 0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:38.160 Go on? 0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:43.240 Is that merch? We all everybody just wears who is 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:44.840 Kendra Gill? Merch around? 0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:52.560 So whatever, he's not on the stand, but we're they're like, listen, 0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:56.040 he's only looking at probation, you know, for going to 0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:59.840 town on the dead body. It all seems accidental, like 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:03.040 this is chill and Ken's like, oh wow, thank you. 0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:07.640 So now that that's done, daddy needs infoam So Ken's like, listen, 0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:09.360 the mom's an absentee parent. 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:12.600 They bonded over that. So like that's kind of shade 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:16.120 to Finn as well. Yeah, Finn doesn't even like clock it. 0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:18.120 I feel like half the time Ken will be like, 0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:19.680 oh cause you were like the worst dud ever in 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:24.920 Finn's like anyway, like he never cares, Finn on paper 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:28.320 is truly just like a video games strip club guy 0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:32.360 bad Dad, but we love him bad dad who was 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:38.960 originally a Republican. Yeah, hates immigrants. Oh man, whatever was 0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:40.840 there abuse in the home? He goes, No, just booze 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:43.600 and pills, like she never did anything to him. Ken's like, 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:47.080 you think she like hurt him, and Finn says, I 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:49.160 don't know, but I want to make sure he's safe 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:52.240 whenever he gets home after he makes bail. So Finn 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.400 goes to talk to the mom to see if Andrew's there. 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:56.360 She goes, I'm gonna go pick him up right now. 0:58:56.720 --> 0:59:00.040 Finn goes, no, he was bailed out that morning. She says, no, no, 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:02.080 I'm on my way now. It took me a second 0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:05.080 to get the money together, but somebody already paid bail. 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:07.520 So like, wait, what's going on? And why didn't he 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:10.840 come home? So what's happening? Like is he not coming 0:59:10.880 --> 0:59:12.840 to you because you're abusing him? And she's like, I 0:59:12.880 --> 0:59:15.640 have never abused him, and I do believe her because 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.600 she's so shocked by the question, and but like, why 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.000 isn't he coming home? And it's and she's ashamed. She 0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:23.480 is ashamed and she doesn't know she the best she could. 0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:25.720 Finn says, okay, well, let's go find out who bailed 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:28.480 him out. And where do we go? Doctor Stanton's house. 0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:31.000 She's in a silk robe. She looks like she just 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:34.360 got fucked and she posted his bail and Finn and 0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:37.360 Huang are there and she's babbling and Finn calls her 0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:40.280 a lady. He's like, listen, lady, and she says she's 0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:42.520 doing the best thing for her client, and Huong goes 0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:46.920 really moving in with a patient a little unorthodox. She 0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:49.280 tries to slam the door, Finn does not allow it. 0:59:49.600 --> 0:59:52.600 He pushes in, runs up the stairs. George is well 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:56.680 like following, and Andrew's on the floor. He's drugged up, 0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:59.520 and she goes, well, he's been off his meds for months, 0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:02.040 so I'm easing him back into his regimen, but he 1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:04.840 is zonked out. George is like, we're just here to 1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:07.360 make sure you're safe, and then we hear a baby cry. 1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:11.720 Everyone freezes, and Andrew just wants to sleep. Things are 1:00:11.760 --> 1:00:15.160 not good. But also this woman's in a silk robe 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:18.760 while she's with a patient, and she's giving him drugs 1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:20.800 in her bed and who is this baby? 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:24.040 And they left I can't believe they leave him there. 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:26.880 It's like he's sixteen and she's in a silk robe. 1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:30.560 And am not like why they've a read more or 1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:35.320 less and she has no custody of him. But like, 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:38.840 I don't know if they can take him into custody 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:41.440 if he hasn't done a crime. I don't know. I 1:00:41.560 --> 1:00:43.920 do not know. Ugh. 1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:46.400 So we're at the precinct and Benson is with me. 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:50.680 She's like, wait, an underage patient living with a shrink. 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:54.360 This isn't good. Like, what do you mean you left him? 1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:57.840 It really is not like our people. I really am confused. 1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:01.480 So Finn says, she's bang in him and we just 1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:05.480 talked about this, okay. So Craigan says, that's a serious accusation. 1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:09.640 And it's like she's in a silk robe. I don't 1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:12.320 know how many more times I can say this. So 1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:16.280 but Andrew isn't complaining, but he is a minor, and 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:18.320 Finn's like, she is kind of hot. 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:22.800 It's like she hasn't whacked out on drugs. Finn wants 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:25.160 to know how the baby daddy, like who is the 1:01:25.200 --> 1:01:27.120 baby daddy? Not how he is? Who is it? 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:31.720 And so she's been seeing Andrew since he was twelve. 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:35.680 That's the onset of puberty. So Craigan wants more evidence 1:01:35.720 --> 1:01:40.360 and it needs to all be air tight, and Benson says, like, stop, 1:01:40.400 --> 1:01:42.800 if Stanton was a man and Andrew was a sixteen 1:01:42.840 --> 1:01:46.000 year old girl, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:48.960 And it is true, we would have arrested, like if 1:01:49.000 --> 1:01:51.920 he was wearing a little silk outfit, like yeah, yeah, 1:01:52.240 --> 1:01:55.840 Wang suggests bringing her in for something else because when 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:58.800 they were there with him, he was lucid and not medicated, 1:01:58.880 --> 1:02:01.880 and like there were no hallucinations, there were no problems. 1:02:01.920 --> 1:02:05.600 So like if he was truly like suffering from schizophrenia 1:02:06.000 --> 1:02:09.080 six months without meds, he would have been a nut show, 1:02:09.400 --> 1:02:11.880 you know, in the words of yeah, this precinct, I 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:16.440 would right, right, that's usually a problem. So Benson's like, wait, 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:20.520 you think she misdiagnosed him, like he was not even schizophrenic, 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:24.960 and then Finn goes maybe even on purpose. So but 1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:27.720 it wasn't enough to commit him and have complete authority 1:02:27.760 --> 1:02:30.640 over him, so they subpoena his medical records and we 1:02:30.720 --> 1:02:33.479 have a mini like claw clip half up, half down 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:36.960 in cement room bars. I'm just obsessed with her in 1:02:37.000 --> 1:02:38.720 her blonde hair, like I just like her so much. 1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:42.240 So finn is finn is no doctor, He goes, but 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:45.480 he needs an explanation on all these meds, and Huang's 1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:49.000 behind him to, I don't know, it's cute and I 1:02:49.080 --> 1:02:51.440 just like them together. So she tries to get Huang 1:02:51.480 --> 1:02:54.800 on her side, like, doc, you get it, and he goes, no, 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:57.880 when he left you and went to Bellevue, Bellevy only 1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:00.640 gave him half the pills that you did. And she goes, well, 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:03.520 that's what the dual diagnosis, and Guang goes, no, he 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:08.600 does not have schizophrenia. And then you know, Kalana's a 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:11.480 Pean clan's a pan I wrote these because of white 1:03:11.520 --> 1:03:17.720 lotus lore, but they're on the lapans and that means 1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:20.360 you're not a good doctor, Like you can't mix those together. 1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:24.880 Those drugs make someone dazed and compliant. And she's stuttering 1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:25.240 a little. 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:29.480 Now she gets that Huang's not playing any games, and. 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:31.040 You know, she has an answer. She's like, oh, you know, 1:03:31.200 --> 1:03:34.360 it's not an exact science. I adjusted things based on 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:38.000 what the condition commanded. And Wong's like, no, no, no, no, no, 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:41.280 these two drugs could have killed him taken together, and 1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:43.520 he shows her all the papers. She sits down and 1:03:43.640 --> 1:03:46.920 is like, well, I may have made a mistake. So 1:03:46.960 --> 1:03:49.760 he cut to Andrew and he's having a full monologue. 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:52.440 He's like, neither one of my parents ever wanted me. 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:55.400 And Benson is like, well, I know how much I 1:03:56.400 --> 1:04:00.400 know that. Yeah, She's like I get that, I feel you. Also, 1:04:00.520 --> 1:04:03.760 they now that, like they've found this kid. These two 1:04:03.800 --> 1:04:05.520 are back on the case. I guess Benson's back on 1:04:05.560 --> 1:04:09.640 the case. They're allowing her back in. Now, let's get 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:11.800 the history of him and her. So he said it 1:04:11.880 --> 1:04:14.360 started like at first it was a waste of time, 1:04:14.400 --> 1:04:16.600 and he'd sit there and wait till the clock ran out. 1:04:16.600 --> 1:04:19.000 And then one day he started and he just poured 1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:21.080 out how lonely he was and that nobody in the 1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:23.120 world gave a crap about him. And he started crying 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:25.760 and he couldn't stop. And then doctor Stanton put her 1:04:25.880 --> 1:04:28.040 arm around him, and it was the first time he 1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:30.720 ever felt love, and she asked if Stanton did anything 1:04:30.720 --> 1:04:35.040 more than that dumb kiss on foreheads, then cheeks, then lips, 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:37.640 and then they started having sex and he was thirteen 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:40.720 when it started, and he's like, I loved her and 1:04:40.840 --> 1:04:43.400 she told me she loved me too, and Benson goes, no, 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:46.120 that's abuse, and he goes no, at first, it was 1:04:46.200 --> 1:04:50.080 awesome until she got pregnant and he freaked out. So 1:04:50.120 --> 1:04:52.640 he freaked out. He's like, you know cause she's like, 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:55.320 you can't abandon this child like your dad abandoned you. 1:04:55.560 --> 1:05:00.520 So she's a sick bitch and Benson like really cares 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:02.320 for him. So she's like, well, let's even make sure 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:04.880 that you're even the dad, and he goes, well, no, 1:05:04.960 --> 1:05:07.520 she said, I'm the only person that she was with 1:05:07.680 --> 1:05:10.040 for a long time. But he couldn't handle the news 1:05:10.080 --> 1:05:12.479 of like being a father at sixteen with this guy 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:15.000 I like with this woman, and I can't imagine everything 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:17.640 he's going through. And so because of all the stress, 1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:19.800 he started flunking classes. He had to go to summer 1:05:19.840 --> 1:05:22.800 school and that's where he met Mallory and they were 1:05:22.800 --> 1:05:26.320 in love. And so he is now learning that Stanton 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:29.120 is who told her parents and that's why she lied 1:05:29.480 --> 1:05:32.320 and said that he was schizophrenic, and so he's like, no, 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:35.520 I was crazy and Benson's like, no, you felt crazy 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:37.960 because of the meds she put you on, well she 1:05:38.080 --> 1:05:41.160 you know, and she's shoveling. She uses the word shoveling 1:05:41.200 --> 1:05:43.880 down your throat, which I don't know. I like that 1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:46.960 as a as a term. She says sternly and clearly, 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:48.760 you are not the sick one here. 1:05:49.080 --> 1:05:49.560 She is. 1:05:50.200 --> 1:05:52.080 So now we hear her voice saying it's the most 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:55.840 healthy relationship she's ever been in. Huang is like, oh, 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:58.440 so you have bad relationships with men, and she admits 1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:01.160 that she used to be drawn to psychologically abusive men 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:05.080 until Andrew a child, and she says she would never 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:07.560 do anything to hurt him, and Finn's like, oh, except 1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:10.440 break up him and Mallory, and she goes, Andrew is 1:06:10.640 --> 1:06:14.240 sick and I was protecting that girl and him, and 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:16.680 Finn goes, no, you were jealous of a fifteen year 1:06:16.680 --> 1:06:19.560 old that he dumped you for. She screams, he didn't 1:06:19.640 --> 1:06:22.400 dump me, Andhuang goes, well, yeah, not for long, because 1:06:22.400 --> 1:06:24.240 then you drugged him and had him locked up, and 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:26.240 Finn goes, that's the only way he would have sex 1:06:26.280 --> 1:06:30.000 with you, and she's offended. She goes, not true, and 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:33.840 she calls Andrew delusional, and Finn goes, wow, that's not 1:06:33.880 --> 1:06:35.720 really like a nice way to talk about the father 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:39.400 of your child. And then Huang starts talking, and she 1:06:39.560 --> 1:06:43.080 flips her head from Finn to Huang with eyes wide open, 1:06:43.440 --> 1:06:47.120 tears streaming down, and he says to her, you used 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:50.720 his deepest issues against him. Finn says, and now his 1:06:50.840 --> 1:06:53.880 mother has to help raise this child when you go away, 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:56.720 and she goes, I'm not going anywhere, and it's like, 1:06:56.840 --> 1:07:01.080 who's delusional now, and Huang's like, oh, we got a 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.520 paternity test, and if it proves that Andrew's the father, 1:07:03.600 --> 1:07:06.840 then you're going to jail for statutory rape. She exclaims 1:07:06.840 --> 1:07:09.000 that it wasn't rape and that they love each other, 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:13.800 and Huang slowly says, you took advantage of a child. No, 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:17.400 she screams, while more tears emerged. You don't understand. Andrew 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:20.680 is a man. He is my soulmate. And Finn looks 1:07:20.680 --> 1:07:22.320 at her in the best face he's ever made in 1:07:22.360 --> 1:07:25.520 the history of this whole show. Make it a meme. 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:27.240 He has so many good faces. 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:32.280 But it's like Popeye, confused judgment, like you crazy bitch, 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:35.320 Like I love this space, and so now we go straight. 1:07:35.360 --> 1:07:39.040 Since Supreme Court allocution and is judge to say Lewis 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:44.720 Lois Lois. She's like, so you understand that allocuting and 1:07:44.840 --> 1:07:47.880 open court about the crimes you've committed. That means you 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:50.360 agree to plead guilty in exchange for a lesser sentence. 1:07:50.400 --> 1:07:53.320 And she does understand that. And the grandma's now holding 1:07:53.320 --> 1:07:55.000 the baby, and it's like, did we have to bring 1:07:55.040 --> 1:07:55.800 the baby to court? 1:07:56.120 --> 1:07:58.600 Like? Yeah, you couldn't get a sit like the baby 1:07:58.640 --> 1:07:59.720 had to be sitting in court. 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:03.000 Doubt they even allow that. Finn is sitting next to 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:06.320 the grandma. Doctor Stanton turns to Andrew and says, I 1:08:06.360 --> 1:08:08.680 never meant to hurt you, and everything I did I 1:08:08.720 --> 1:08:11.200 did out of love. And he's listening and sitting next 1:08:11.240 --> 1:08:13.400 to Mallory, and I will say, this is not an allocution. 1:08:13.480 --> 1:08:15.160 You're supposed to say exactly what you did and how 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:18.519 you did it, and this is like any manipulation tactic, right, 1:08:19.320 --> 1:08:21.719 So he won't look at her, and then he finally 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:23.880 sighiyes her and she calls him a boy that she 1:08:23.960 --> 1:08:26.360 wanted to protect and heal, but then she fell in 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:28.840 love with him. She says that she tried to deny 1:08:28.880 --> 1:08:31.120 her feelings but they were too strong, and she just 1:08:31.479 --> 1:08:33.320 you know, she knew that he felt it too. 1:08:33.800 --> 1:08:35.439 He nods slowly and slightly. 1:08:36.000 --> 1:08:37.880 She says, the first time they were together was the 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:40.680 happiest moment of my life. She says, I know I'm 1:08:40.680 --> 1:08:43.240 guilty of things that many people can't understand, but I 1:08:43.280 --> 1:08:45.200 want you to know that I'm sorry if I ever 1:08:45.280 --> 1:08:47.800 hurt you, and I hope you can forgive me. She 1:08:47.920 --> 1:08:51.000 cries and nods, or does he I don't know. So 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:54.240 he's pained and confused and troubled, and again he looks down. 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:57.880 The people agreed to the plea bargain. So it's four 1:08:57.920 --> 1:09:00.800 consecutive counts of rape in the second degree, jail of 1:09:00.880 --> 1:09:03.200 five years for each count. So she is going to 1:09:03.200 --> 1:09:06.120 prison for twenty years. And Lois hates her ass and 1:09:06.160 --> 1:09:09.559 she says, you abuse your professional relationship with this boy 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:12.519 in the most contemptible way. If I could, I would 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:16.200 put you away for life. Gavel, Gavel. She's carried out 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:18.360 by the bailiffs while screaming I will wait for you. 1:09:18.439 --> 1:09:18.919 Andrew. 1:09:19.360 --> 1:09:22.600 He is so annoyed, but also has so many emotions, 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:24.680 like he's such a good actor. He's crying, it's like 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:28.000 paining her, but like he's you know, he was abused, 1:09:28.080 --> 1:09:31.960 he obviously probably has certain connections and feelings, but also 1:09:32.080 --> 1:09:35.760 like dealing with this new abuse, realizing that you know, 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:38.240 she was the one that had him institutionalized and lied 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:38.880 about the rape. 1:09:38.920 --> 1:09:40.519 I mean, this is like a lot for this young 1:09:40.560 --> 1:09:41.280 boy to handle. 1:09:41.680 --> 1:09:45.599 He accidentally murdered his friend, like this is so he 1:09:45.640 --> 1:09:48.880 doesn't have schizophrenia right now, we have to raise this 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:51.960 baby with his mom and Mallory Like what the fuck? 1:09:52.640 --> 1:09:56.840 I know? And it's like also like this doctor did 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:59.200 not need to have the kid's baby, you know what 1:09:59.280 --> 1:10:01.479 I mean, Like it's like you could have away. It's like, 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:04.839 how do you use He was like, yeah, yeah, totally, 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:07.800 but whatever. But it's also like full evidence of your 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:10.160 crime that you're just keeping in your home, living and 1:10:10.200 --> 1:10:13.920 breathing evidence of your crime. Yeah. And so I'm glad 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:15.000 they gave her twenty years. 1:10:15.880 --> 1:10:26.640 Yeah, and yeah that's dick wolf baby. 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:30.599 So getting into the true crime of it all, you know, 1:10:30.640 --> 1:10:32.120 some people would say this was based on like the 1:10:32.160 --> 1:10:34.759 Susan Poulk case, which we already covered in the episode 1:10:34.800 --> 1:10:38.000 Dearly Beloved about you know, therapists that have relationships with 1:10:38.040 --> 1:10:41.600 their patients, But we already covered that one so I 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:44.439 think the first part of this case and this episode 1:10:44.479 --> 1:10:46.680 and the reason why it's called conned is based on 1:10:46.760 --> 1:10:49.720 the Jack character, right, like he's this con man. And 1:10:49.760 --> 1:10:52.599 then I guess you could extrapolate that to say that 1:10:53.439 --> 1:10:57.840 the therapist, the psychiatrist is conning people, but like she's 1:10:57.880 --> 1:11:01.240 really honestly just manipulating and abuse her power. But this 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:06.840 con man character I think was maybe based on this 1:11:06.840 --> 1:11:11.400 this guy named Christian Karl Gerhardt Streiter, who is one 1:11:11.439 --> 1:11:13.320 of the most famous con men of the modern age. 1:11:13.320 --> 1:11:16.679 And I actually read a long Vanity Fair article about 1:11:16.720 --> 1:11:19.080 this man back in two thousand and eight when this happened, 1:11:19.640 --> 1:11:21.920 and this all happened like this, I mean, it all 1:11:22.040 --> 1:11:24.680 happened over decades, but you know, it culminated in two 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:27.120 thousand and eight, and I read this article back then, 1:11:27.280 --> 1:11:29.800 and I think it was before even a second piece 1:11:29.840 --> 1:11:34.080 of the case came forward. And so I'll get into it, 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:37.000 but I think this connects to kind of Jack, the 1:11:37.160 --> 1:11:41.360 like sort of wonderkin khn man who's like, you know, 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:45.960 starting scamming from a young age and just like scamming 1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:48.760 to a level that people that is kind of unbelievable. 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:54.799 So Christian Karl Gerhardt Stwriter was born and raised in Germany, 1:11:54.840 --> 1:11:58.240 and then in nineteen seventy eight, when he was about 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:01.280 seventeen or eighteen, he met an American couple that was 1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:03.360 traveling there and they said, oh, come and see us 1:12:03.360 --> 1:12:05.280 in the States if you're ever over in the States, 1:12:05.439 --> 1:12:07.600 and then he used that as an opportunity to go 1:12:07.640 --> 1:12:09.280 to the States, like he listed this couple on his 1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:12.160 visa and he went and stayed with them in Meriden, Connecticut, 1:12:12.880 --> 1:12:16.200 before ending up in Berlin, Connecticut, home of Louandela SEPs 1:12:16.960 --> 1:12:21.160 with the Savio family, and the Savios said that he 1:12:21.200 --> 1:12:23.000 told them he was an exchange student, but it came 1:12:23.240 --> 1:12:25.280 very clear that there was like something off about this guy, 1:12:25.400 --> 1:12:27.120 Like he would sleep on their couch, but he would 1:12:27.160 --> 1:12:29.600 wake up in the morning like expecting breakfast to be 1:12:29.600 --> 1:12:31.600 made for him, expecting his clothes to be washed and 1:12:31.640 --> 1:12:34.360 pressed for him, like he was some kind of aristocrat. 1:12:34.360 --> 1:12:35.719 And they were like, get the fuck out of here. 1:12:35.760 --> 1:12:39.320 So they kicked him out, and his next stop is Wisconsin. 1:12:39.560 --> 1:12:42.320 He gets to like Milwaukee, and he enrolls in a 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:45.200 college class at the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee, and then 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:47.080 he's like, you know what, I got to become a citizen, Like, 1:12:47.120 --> 1:12:48.479 I'm not going to get any further if I'm not 1:12:48.479 --> 1:12:51.120 a citizen. So he marries this American girl to get 1:12:51.120 --> 1:12:53.600 a green car in nineteen eighty one, leaves her the 1:12:53.760 --> 1:12:56.559 day after the wedding, okay, and he's like, thank you 1:12:56.600 --> 1:13:00.000 so much for the card, bye, like Mary J. Taylor. Yeah, 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:02.599 And I guess this is like pre the movie Green 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:04.559 Card and all of the shit that has to go 1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:05.960 down for you to get a green card. But this 1:13:06.000 --> 1:13:09.599 guy got a green card pretty easily, I guess. And 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:12.880 for some reason, she did not file for divorce until 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:14.759 nineteen ninety two, even though he left her in nineteen 1:13:14.800 --> 1:13:16.559 eighty one, so I don't know why eleven years went by. 1:13:16.640 --> 1:13:19.439 But he goes out to California to get into the 1:13:19.520 --> 1:13:23.920 entertainment industry, and out there he adopts the alias Christopher Chichester, 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:27.200 and he goes around telling people in town that he 1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:31.639 was in the British aristocracy. He like, uh, he's auditing 1:13:31.680 --> 1:13:35.120 classes at USC. He knows a lot about cinema. He's 1:13:35.320 --> 1:13:39.200 like telling people like there's people that they interview in 1:13:39.200 --> 1:13:41.880 this Vanity Fair article that are like he told me, like, 1:13:41.960 --> 1:13:43.920 come to this party, you're gonna meet George Lucas and 1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:46.280 Steven Spielberg and all these people, and like they were 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:47.960 all there and they all knew who he was. Like, 1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:50.960 so he was able to like ingratiate himself into all 1:13:51.000 --> 1:13:54.000 of with all of these people, like truly one of 1:13:54.040 --> 1:13:57.680 these like very gifted con men. Right, he feel like 1:13:57.720 --> 1:13:59.360 you have to have charisma to be a con man, 1:13:59.439 --> 1:14:04.040 right or yeah, truly not seen at all. Yes, you 1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:06.800 have to either be silent or beloved. Yes, you have 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:09.120 to be like sort of the one that everyone in 1:14:09.160 --> 1:14:11.280 the room is watching, so that no one suspects anything, 1:14:11.360 --> 1:14:14.360 or you're like literally camouflaged into the background. So he 1:14:14.400 --> 1:14:17.719 flirted with rich old ladies. He snuck into members only clubs. 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:21.320 Eventually he started living in the guesthouse of a woman 1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:24.920 named Ruth Dede sohas in San Marino, which is an 1:14:24.960 --> 1:14:27.400 area I've been too many times. It's right next to Pasadena. 1:14:27.680 --> 1:14:30.920 It's a very beautiful neighborhood. I guess at the time 1:14:31.560 --> 1:14:33.639 they said that there were three times of San Marino. 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:36.360 There was like the ultra rich, the medium rich, and 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:38.200 then like the low and I guess Dedie lived in 1:14:38.240 --> 1:14:39.720 kind of like the low shitty part of it. But 1:14:39.760 --> 1:14:42.920 still a nice neighborhood to anyone. And she was also, 1:14:43.040 --> 1:14:45.559 according to Vanity fair quote known to everyone as a 1:14:45.600 --> 1:14:49.719 reclusive alcoholic. So he's living in her guest house. God 1:14:49.800 --> 1:14:53.000 knows if he's siphoning money from her or what even 1:14:53.080 --> 1:14:55.320 paying to live in the guest house, who knows. But 1:14:55.400 --> 1:14:59.360 eventually her son Jonathan and his wife Linda moved back 1:14:59.400 --> 1:15:02.840 in with d and Jonathan is immediately suspicious, like who 1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:05.360 the fuck is this guy? And he's worried that that 1:15:05.439 --> 1:15:08.000 this guy is like, you know, somehow taking advantage of 1:15:08.000 --> 1:15:12.000 his mother. Then in nineteen eighty five, Linda and Jonathan 1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:16.720 disappear and Gerhart Streider was a person of interest, but 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:19.599 he claimed, oh no, they're in Europe and they did 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:23.960 get two postcards like stamped from France from parents. Is 1:15:24.000 --> 1:15:26.479 this show? I will never trust the postcard? I know this. 1:15:26.920 --> 1:15:29.840 This is Call me on the phone, call me on FaceTime. 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:32.800 I need to see you, Like I'm not even like 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:34.680 with AI, I'm not even taking a phone call. I'm 1:15:34.720 --> 1:15:37.960 not taking a message on my voicemail, you know. And yeah, 1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:42.880 especially after that's what happened with what's his name, who's 1:15:42.920 --> 1:15:47.000 the who's the psycho? Rudnick, Rudnick. That's what with Rudnick, 1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:50.200 he sent the postcard. Okay, so in late nineteen eighty eight. 1:15:50.800 --> 1:15:57.200 But same with Titus will Willifer. What's his name you well, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:15:57.240 --> 1:15:59.200 oh yes, he did the same thing exactly in the 1:15:59.320 --> 1:16:01.760 in the Nanny w Yeah. Oh my got him at 1:16:01.760 --> 1:16:05.400 my parents' house. So much bosh talk. Anyway, in late 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:09.519 nineteen eighty eight, a man named Christopher Crowe is pulled 1:16:09.560 --> 1:16:12.360 over in Greenwich, Connecticut driving a truck that belongs to 1:16:12.400 --> 1:16:15.719 Jonathan Sohus, but he fled the area before the cops 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:20.400 could talk to him. So Chichester, slash, Gerhard Strid, they're 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:23.200 all the same person, right, Christopher Crowe. He is living 1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:26.320 in Greenwich, Connecticut at this time. He is fitting in perfectly. 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:29.519 He dresses the part he wears like silk ascots. He 1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:33.599 speaks like an aristocrat, custom clothing, like he's got everything's 1:16:33.640 --> 1:16:36.599 embossed with like his initials and shit. He told everyone 1:16:36.640 --> 1:16:38.880 he was a film producer in la and sure enough 1:16:38.880 --> 1:16:40.760 people that would look it up. There was a guy 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:44.679 named Christopher Crowe who worked on Hitchcock movies. So he 1:16:44.880 --> 1:16:47.320 you know, he researches his backstories before he like takes 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:51.000 over people's identities and stuff. He gets hired somehow through 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:54.000 hobnobbing in Greenwich at a fancy financial firm to do tech. 1:16:54.400 --> 1:16:57.160 But he would like go on the trading floor and 1:16:57.240 --> 1:16:59.320 just name drop and tell stories all day long, and 1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:02.680 until someone checked his social security number and apparently it's 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:05.320 the same social security number as David Berkowitz, who was 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:09.439 the son of Sam Killer. Oh so it's like he's 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:12.200 not David Berkowitz. But it's like, why are you using 1:17:12.280 --> 1:17:15.519 that social Like I don't know. Crazy. So he loses 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:17.679 the job. Then he just gets another job on Wall 1:17:17.720 --> 1:17:21.160 Street that he is insanely unqualified for. Like he's supposed 1:17:21.160 --> 1:17:23.800 to like lead this huge bond market. He's like never 1:17:23.880 --> 1:17:25.720 sold a bond in his life. Catch me if you 1:17:25.800 --> 1:17:29.160 can truly truly like to that. From coast to. 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:33.200 Coast, different people, different things, Like it's really wild. 1:17:33.479 --> 1:17:35.600 Yeah, and it's like, I mean it's Annadelvi. It's like, 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:37.920 you know, there's certain people that are to a level 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:41.559 with this. He doesn't. He gets this job on Wall Street. 1:17:41.800 --> 1:17:45.280 He's unqualified. He has no real work experience at all. 1:17:45.320 --> 1:17:47.320 He doesn't even have a college degree at this point, 1:17:47.760 --> 1:17:50.240 and most of these jobs, like he talks his way 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:53.679 into he obviously just like hobnobbed into them. He eventually 1:17:53.720 --> 1:17:57.000 gets fired from that job, but at this point he 1:17:57.120 --> 1:17:59.479 knows that Connecticut authorities are kind of looking for him 1:17:59.479 --> 1:18:02.240 because of the truck. So he quits and he says, 1:18:02.280 --> 1:18:04.120 I've got to leave the country, like and the story 1:18:04.160 --> 1:18:06.960 is always like my parents have fallen ill in Afghanistan 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:09.000 or something like. The stories are always wild for why 1:18:09.040 --> 1:18:11.200 he has to go. A few years go by where 1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:13.760 he's kind of unaccounted for and nobody really kind of 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:15.639 know what's up with him. He's just like lays low, 1:18:16.080 --> 1:18:20.240 and then the big con arrives. Okay. He reservices in 1:18:20.280 --> 1:18:23.400 New York City around ninety two ninety three as a 1:18:23.400 --> 1:18:28.599 physicist slash art dealer slash mathematician named Clark Rockefeller. And 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:32.599 he doesn't necessarily tell people he's part of the Rockefeller family, 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:35.639 but he he name drops like people from the family, 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:38.000 so everyone's like, oh, yeah, he's in the family, so 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:40.759 very quickly people start to know who he is around 1:18:40.880 --> 1:18:44.040 New York society. He has a Gordon Setter, which I 1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:45.320 don't even know what kind of dog that is, but 1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:47.200 I guess it's kind of a fancy dog and the 1:18:47.240 --> 1:18:49.400 dog the dog's name is Yates, which I thought was 1:18:49.439 --> 1:18:53.040 a nice little SVU tie in. And then he also 1:18:53.160 --> 1:18:56.880 somehow has a multimillion dollar art collection. He's got a 1:18:56.920 --> 1:18:59.880 mandre on, a Pollock, a Si Twombly, like, he's got 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:03.559 what's a mandre on my fave. Yeah, he's got nice 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:06.040 ass art. But this one woman that they interviewed for 1:19:06.080 --> 1:19:09.000 the article said she went over to his house because 1:19:09.000 --> 1:19:11.360 she was an art like an art dealer, and like, 1:19:11.439 --> 1:19:13.679 these multimillion dollar paintings are just like on the floor 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:15.280 leaning against the wall, you know what I mean. Like 1:19:15.320 --> 1:19:18.240 he hasn't even had them professionally hung. Like it's it's 1:19:18.280 --> 1:19:21.280 like weird. And he used I guess he did this 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.880 in Greenwich also, but he does this in New York City. 1:19:24.080 --> 1:19:28.120 He uses the church to gain access to society. So 1:19:28.160 --> 1:19:30.840 he goes to Saint Thomas Church, which apparently is like 1:19:30.920 --> 1:19:33.679 the main Episcopalian church. It's probably where bigs Mom goes 1:19:33.720 --> 1:19:35.519 in that episode, but I'm not going to fact check it. 1:19:36.080 --> 1:19:37.840 But you know the episode where Carrie goes to church, 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:41.479 so and through the church he meets Julia Boss and 1:19:41.960 --> 1:19:45.040 she thinks he's so charming and amazing. Why don't you 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:48.040 meet my twin sister, Sandra Sandra Boss, who is a 1:19:48.120 --> 1:19:51.599 Stanford grad who is currently getting her MBA at Harvard 1:19:51.640 --> 1:19:56.080 at this time. So to meet her, he throws a 1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:59.559 clue themed party. Okay, he throws a full clue themed 1:19:59.600 --> 1:20:04.080 murdermis street party. He's Professor Plum, she's Miss Scarlett. They 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:07.200 are immediately attracted to one another, and people say she's 1:20:07.240 --> 1:20:09.599 a little bit weird too, Like she's very smart. She 1:20:09.720 --> 1:20:12.800 ends up getting a really good job at McKinsey, which 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:14.840 is like a big consulting firm, and like making a 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:17.320 ton of money. But she's not very good with people, 1:20:17.479 --> 1:20:21.040 and he's like kind of eccentric and like and wild 1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:22.720 and so like they sort of was like they sort 1:20:22.760 --> 1:20:26.040 of work together. So they eventually get married. They live 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:28.040 in New York, where, like I said, she's making a 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:31.759 ton of money. He says that he's working with third 1:20:31.760 --> 1:20:34.960 world countries helping to solve their economic problems and teaching 1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:36.840 them how much money to print or something like that, 1:20:36.880 --> 1:20:39.479 and since their third world countries, he can't really charge them. 1:20:39.520 --> 1:20:41.960 He sort of makes people think that he's living off 1:20:42.000 --> 1:20:44.760 of family money or whatever. But eventually he's living off 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:47.599 of Sandra's money, right, so that he's able to keep 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:50.920 up this ruse even to a higher degree. In two thousand, 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:54.240 Sandra leaves him because he's been emotionally and she says, 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:58.760 occasionally physically abusive, but he wins her back. He transforms 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:02.439 into the old Clark, and then in that time that 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:05.799 they're back together, he gets her pregnant. So soon after 1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:10.479 they find out that she's pregnant, he demands, I want 1:21:10.520 --> 1:21:11.880 to get out of New York City. Let's move to 1:21:11.880 --> 1:21:14.599 New Hampshire. So they moved to Cornish, New Hampshire, which 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:16.519 I guess is also sort of I've never heard of it, 1:21:16.560 --> 1:21:19.519 but I guess it's also sort of blue blood, like, like, 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:22.120 you know, nice part of New Hampshire. Not all of 1:21:22.120 --> 1:21:25.040 New Hampshire's beautiful, but like, you know, fancy. And so 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:28.479 in two thousand and one their daughter is born. Her 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:31.240 name is Ray I think it's for r. Eig H 1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:35.840 Ray Storo Mills, Rockefeller, and she's born in two thousand 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:38.120 and one at Dartmouth Hitchcock, which is where I got 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:40.280 my stitches, the only stitches I have on my body. 1:21:40.640 --> 1:21:43.720 My only scar is from Dartmouth Hitchcock Hospital. It's right 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:47.040 near where my camp is. So they call the daughter Snooks. 1:21:47.479 --> 1:21:51.240 So in two thousand and six, so he did this 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:54.400 crazy thing in New Hampshire also where he went into 1:21:54.439 --> 1:21:56.759 a town hall meeting and they were about to demolish 1:21:56.800 --> 1:21:59.880 a church and he just held up a check for 1:22:00.000 --> 1:22:02.080 one hundred and ten thousand dollars and was like, I'll 1:22:02.080 --> 1:22:05.040 buy the church, and everybody was like, mouths were like 1:22:05.120 --> 1:22:08.120 on the ground because I guess you know, people were like, 1:22:08.120 --> 1:22:11.000 what the fuck. So they have this historic house that 1:22:11.000 --> 1:22:13.519 they've bought in New Hampshire. He's gutted it and left 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:16.559 all these renovations happening, and then he buys this church 1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:21.000 that he wants to restore or something. But they moved 1:22:21.040 --> 1:22:24.720 to Boston, leaving the church behind, leaving this house that 1:22:24.760 --> 1:22:27.880 never got fully renovated behind. And it's so Snooks can 1:22:27.920 --> 1:22:30.200 go to a private school in Boston. Up until then, 1:22:30.400 --> 1:22:33.559 he'd been homeschooling her. So they moved to Beacon Hill, 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:36.280 which you and I have been to Beacon Hill to 1:22:36.479 --> 1:22:38.679 where my friend Julia. We went to my friend Julia's 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:43.320 mom's house. But my friend Julia lives right near where 1:22:43.360 --> 1:22:45.200 they bought this house. So I texted her and I 1:22:45.280 --> 1:22:47.920 was like, did you know this whole Clark Rockefeller and 1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:49.960 his wife Sandra Boss And she was like, yes, my 1:22:50.000 --> 1:22:52.720 mom knows her liked. I was like, of course, of 1:22:52.760 --> 1:22:55.799 course there's a connect. Anyway, I just thought it was crazy. 1:22:55.880 --> 1:22:57.200 She was like, yeah, my mom was on a board 1:22:57.240 --> 1:23:00.360 with her. The mom the wife was nice. They didn't 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:01.439 you know, I don't think she had a ton of 1:23:01.479 --> 1:23:04.920 interaction with the con man. So, like the character in 1:23:05.000 --> 1:23:08.240 this episode, this guy is extremely smart. Okay, he knows 1:23:08.280 --> 1:23:10.840 a lot about history art, He can do accents, he 1:23:10.880 --> 1:23:13.720 can memorize long pieces of literature, he could play the 1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:16.400 digeridoo like he's kind of like a savant. He can 1:23:16.479 --> 1:23:18.759 like kind of do anything. And I think that helps 1:23:18.800 --> 1:23:21.800 you convince people that you have this background that you 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:24.439 don't have. And so because like the didurid is extremely 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:26.320 hard to play. You have to like no circular breathing 1:23:26.439 --> 1:23:29.400 to like play it. It's like not just like I 1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:31.000 can tickle the ivories a little bit and play a 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:35.000 couple of songs. But Sandra was kind of finally figuring 1:23:35.040 --> 1:23:37.200 this out, Like as they get to Boston and whatever, 1:23:37.240 --> 1:23:39.519 she's sort of figuring out like that he's not like 1:23:39.600 --> 1:23:42.000 what he seems, and she hires a PI in two 1:23:42.040 --> 1:23:44.200 thousand and six who confirm that he is not who 1:23:44.200 --> 1:23:47.640 he says he is. He agrees to a divorce, surrendering 1:23:47.840 --> 1:23:52.400 surrendering custody of Snooks for eight hundred thousand dollars, two cars, 1:23:52.560 --> 1:23:55.680 her engagement ring and address he'd given her, plus she 1:23:55.800 --> 1:23:59.080 agrees to no further investigation into his identity, so he 1:23:59.120 --> 1:24:01.280 gives up all. He gives up like basically custody of 1:24:01.280 --> 1:24:04.680 his daughter for eight hundred k some cars, on a ring, 1:24:04.720 --> 1:24:08.320 and address, and also to not get busted in July 1:24:08.400 --> 1:24:11.920 of two thousand and eight, so now they're divorced as 1:24:11.960 --> 1:24:14.439 of two thousand and seven. In July two thousand and eight, 1:24:14.479 --> 1:24:17.719 he's on a supervised visit with Snooks with a social 1:24:17.760 --> 1:24:22.559 worker and suv pulls up alongside them on Marlborough Street. 1:24:22.960 --> 1:24:25.679 He shoves the social worker out of the way, throws 1:24:25.720 --> 1:24:27.640 his daughter in the car, gets in and tells the 1:24:27.720 --> 1:24:30.200 driver to speed off. The social worker is hanging on 1:24:30.320 --> 1:24:33.280 to the side of the car. Okay, this is like 1:24:33.360 --> 1:24:35.000 everything about this story is like a movie, and I 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:37.200 don't really understand why one hasn't been made yet. Like 1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:40.040 we're optioning magazine articles all the time. I don't know 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:43.880 why this one's like not happening, but everyone is looking 1:24:43.920 --> 1:24:45.479 for them for five days. And this is where my 1:24:45.479 --> 1:24:48.479 friend Julia, she goes. It was really scary when he 1:24:48.600 --> 1:24:52.240 kidnapped his daughter because they locked down, like her whole neighborhood. 1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:54.320 They locked down Beacon Hill, they locked down Back Bay 1:24:54.439 --> 1:24:56.960 like looking for this girl. But he got out of 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:59.960 the city and everybody was looking for them for like 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:04.080 five days. She's missing with him until they finally get 1:25:04.120 --> 1:25:06.960 a tip that they were spotted in Baltimore and that 1:25:07.040 --> 1:25:09.439 he's just put down like four hundred k cash for 1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:13.160 some apartment, some carriage house in Baltimore, and this time 1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:17.160 he's going by chip Smith. So they lure him out 1:25:17.280 --> 1:25:19.280 of his apartment because they didn't want to burst into 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:21.240 the apartment and like in danger of the child. They 1:25:21.320 --> 1:25:23.439 lure him out by calling him and say your boat 1:25:23.479 --> 1:25:25.559 at the marina is taking on water, and he goes, 1:25:25.600 --> 1:25:28.320 I'll be right there. When he comes out, they grab him, 1:25:28.520 --> 1:25:31.800 so they arrest him. Snooks goes back to her mom. 1:25:31.960 --> 1:25:35.280 They moved to London. Clark tries to plead insanity in 1:25:35.360 --> 1:25:37.880 his case, and he was found guilty of kidnapping and 1:25:37.960 --> 1:25:40.120 assault and battery with a dangerous weapon because of how 1:25:40.160 --> 1:25:44.200 he assaults the social worker essentially, and I guess she 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:46.160 was dragged for a little bit. He got four to 1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:48.320 five years for the kidnapping and two to three years 1:25:48.360 --> 1:25:52.920 for the assault to be served concurrently. Meanwhile, remember Linda 1:25:53.000 --> 1:25:56.479 and John who went missing so back in May of 1:25:56.560 --> 1:25:59.640 nineteen ninety four, bones that were believed to belong to 1:25:59.720 --> 1:26:04.320 John were found buried in the backyard of their former home. 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:07.799 But since John had been adopted, I guess they couldn't 1:26:07.840 --> 1:26:10.759 compare DNA to his family members and identify the bones. 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:15.559 And forensic evidence showed that the victim had been struck 1:26:15.600 --> 1:26:18.439 in the head two times with a rounded blunt object 1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:20.800 and then stabbed six times, and the body had been 1:26:20.840 --> 1:26:25.440 cut into three parts. And a nighbour claims that Christopher 1:26:25.520 --> 1:26:29.000 Chichester as who he was back in San Marino, had 1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:32.719 borrowed his chainsaw or maybe he was crow at that time. Whatever. 1:26:32.920 --> 1:26:35.720 A neighbor claims that this guy had borrowed his chainsaw 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:39.160 around that time, and the bones were not conclusively determined 1:26:39.200 --> 1:26:42.320 to belong to Sohus until twenty ten. So in March 1:26:42.320 --> 1:26:45.280 of twenty eleven, I think once they conclusively confirmed that 1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:49.720 it's this guy, La County prosecutors charge Chichester Slash Crow 1:26:49.760 --> 1:26:55.880 Slash Rockefeller aka Gerhartstreiter with Jonathan's murder. Linda's remains were 1:26:56.000 --> 1:26:59.840 never found, and that's crazy, Like his lawyers tried to 1:27:00.040 --> 1:27:03.280 argue that maybe she killed Jonathan and disappeared because apparently 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:07.439 they were like an odd couple. But it went on trial. 1:27:07.560 --> 1:27:11.000 It went to trial in twenty thirteen, and this guy 1:27:11.280 --> 1:27:14.040 was convicted of first degree murder and the evidence was 1:27:14.080 --> 1:27:18.400 mostly circumstantial. But when they did find the remains, the 1:27:18.439 --> 1:27:21.599 skull of this body was wrapped in two different plastic bags. 1:27:22.000 --> 1:27:25.240 One is from the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, the other 1:27:25.640 --> 1:27:28.800 is from USC two places where he had gone and 1:27:28.920 --> 1:27:32.320 either taken or audited classes. So it was presented at 1:27:32.400 --> 1:27:35.439 trial also that he had the couple's pickup truck, Like 1:27:35.479 --> 1:27:37.759 that doesn't make any sense. So he got the max 1:27:37.800 --> 1:27:41.040 prison sentence of twenty seven years to life. He somehow 1:27:41.120 --> 1:27:43.400 appealed and got like one year knocked off of it. 1:27:43.640 --> 1:27:46.400 But he's eligible for parole in December of twenty twenty nine, 1:27:47.080 --> 1:27:51.240 which is yes, he can't be trusted. No, So I 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:54.240 don't know how he's eligible for parole after sixteen years 1:27:54.240 --> 1:27:57.479 because it went to trial in twenty thirteen. But he'll 1:27:57.479 --> 1:27:59.320 be sixty eight when he gets out, and he will 1:27:59.360 --> 1:28:04.160 completely keep scamming. He's currently at San Quentin prison where 1:28:04.160 --> 1:28:08.160 he paints and has an absolutely wild artist statement on 1:28:08.200 --> 1:28:10.720 his page like on like like there's this page of 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:12.519 all the artists at the jail where they make up 1:28:12.520 --> 1:28:14.840 their their own like art and like they're obviously writing 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:16.720 about themselves in their own style, and he talks about 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:18.960 himself like he's one of the greats and he's like 1:28:19.160 --> 1:28:23.200 some people draw inspiration from others, not this guy. He 1:28:23.280 --> 1:28:25.920 is a completely original thinker. It's so crazy because it's 1:28:25.960 --> 1:28:28.280 like literally your whole life has been copying and mimicking 1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:31.880 and like you know, but on this website he and 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:34.720 in prison as an artist, he goes by C. K. 1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:39.440 Gerhardt Striter aka the artist formerly known as Clark Rockefeller, 1:28:39.800 --> 1:28:43.519 like aka ta fka Clark Rockefeller the way that it's 1:28:43.520 --> 1:28:46.680 like fka twigs, Like that's what he goes by, So 1:28:47.680 --> 1:28:53.240 a wild wild Uh, people buying his art, I don't know. 1:28:53.960 --> 1:28:57.040 You can look at it and tell me if you 1:28:57.080 --> 1:29:01.280 think it's any good. I also want to know, like 1:29:01.400 --> 1:29:04.240 where he got these works, because it was never proven 1:29:04.280 --> 1:29:06.759 that the works he had were fake, like his artworks 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:08.719 that he had, and that was like a major way 1:29:08.720 --> 1:29:11.800 that he like conned people, is that he had these 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:15.400 amazing artworks that people said were that experts said were real. 1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:19.000 So I don't know. Maybe they were eventually proven fake 1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:21.959 with like more technology, but like in the two thousands, 1:29:21.960 --> 1:29:23.920 people were like, no, this is real, Like he's got 1:29:23.920 --> 1:29:26.080 amandre on and all these and he was buying all 1:29:26.080 --> 1:29:29.120 these like upcoming artists. He was buying expensive paintings. But 1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:31.240 then eventually he was using his wife's money for that. 1:29:31.479 --> 1:29:34.160 So but I don't know how he originally had the artwork. 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:38.679 And you know, some people were commenting on our episode 1:29:38.680 --> 1:29:40.360 that we did about the art heist, you know, the 1:29:40.439 --> 1:29:42.759 art heives one that like some that I guess people 1:29:42.920 --> 1:29:45.080 do a lot of like bartering in the black market 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:46.320 for this kind of art, because I was like, what 1:29:46.360 --> 1:29:47.920 are you going to do with this? But I guess 1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:53.040 also they were saying people use it as a bargaining 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:55.559 chip if they get arrested. They're like, but I can 1:29:55.600 --> 1:29:58.720 tell you where this like famous painting is as like 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:01.160 a way to get like a deal. Wow. Cool, So 1:30:01.400 --> 1:30:04.120 I thought that was interesting since we're talking about art anyway. 1:30:05.560 --> 1:30:11.639 This episode also obviously has a lot of Mary Kay 1:30:11.720 --> 1:30:17.040 Latourno in it. I originally wasn't going to cover this 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:21.320 one because I thought I thought that the episode Impulsive 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:24.240 was more the one with Melissa Joan Hart, but that 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:26.360 one is actually more connected to a different crime because 1:30:26.400 --> 1:30:28.280 like what happens in Impulsive is not what we think 1:30:28.320 --> 1:30:30.560 even though we think it's like a member. It's like 1:30:30.680 --> 1:30:32.760 in that one, the kid is like sex obsessed and 1:30:32.800 --> 1:30:35.840 he like he like basically assaults his teacher. So it's 1:30:35.880 --> 1:30:38.960 not like an affair. Sadly, I found a case in 1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:43.120 Minnesota and another one, one case from twenty nineteen and 1:30:43.160 --> 1:30:45.160 one case from twenty twenty four that is exactly the 1:30:45.200 --> 1:30:51.759 case of a therapist like molesting raping their young male client. 1:30:52.000 --> 1:30:55.040 But unfortunately another case of SBU predicting the future. So 1:30:55.680 --> 1:30:57.880 I think definitely they're talking about Mary Kay Laturno here. 1:30:57.920 --> 1:31:00.000 The way she reacts like we're in love, we're in life, 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:03.400 it's definitely Mary Kay. So this case, I feel like 1:31:03.400 --> 1:31:05.639 we all know about it. But I'll just go through 1:31:05.640 --> 1:31:09.400 it really quickly. This case was like the punchline of 1:31:09.400 --> 1:31:11.400 my youth. Like when this happened, I was like in 1:31:11.479 --> 1:31:13.559 high school. It was like every late night show, like 1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:16.840 everybody talked about this all the time. And then you 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:20.040 know more most recently, the movie May December is like 1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:23.840 loosely based on this case. But if you, for some 1:31:23.960 --> 1:31:26.760 reason actually have no idea what that name is, I 1:31:26.800 --> 1:31:30.320 will tell you. Mary Kay Latourneau was a teacher and 1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:33.519 a mother of four who was unhappy in her marriage. 1:31:33.520 --> 1:31:36.920 In nineteen ninety one when she met a second grader 1:31:37.479 --> 1:31:40.960 named Villie Flau. He was in second grade when she 1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:45.080 met him, and then after second grade she would like 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:49.320 encourage his art and encourage his creative like pursuits and stuff. 1:31:49.360 --> 1:31:52.599 And then in nineteen ninety five ninety six school year, 1:31:52.800 --> 1:31:55.519 she ended up being his sixth grade teacher. So he's twelve, 1:31:56.360 --> 1:31:58.200 and at that time her life is not going great. 1:31:58.240 --> 1:32:00.400 Her marriage is hanging on by a thread. She's just 1:32:00.439 --> 1:32:03.200 had like a miscarriage that's really shaken her. So in 1:32:03.320 --> 1:32:07.479 June of nineteen ninety six, she rapes Relly Falau when 1:32:07.479 --> 1:32:10.680 he's twelve and she's is thirty four and even the 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:14.200 Wikipedia calls it statutory rape, which I don't understand because 1:32:14.240 --> 1:32:17.559 if he's not old enough to consent, like, it doesn't 1:32:17.560 --> 1:32:19.920 really matter if he says I wanted it, if he's twelve, 1:32:20.080 --> 1:32:23.720 you know, like I statutory to me is like you're eighteen, 1:32:23.880 --> 1:32:27.520 another person's fifteen, and it's like you're in a relationship, 1:32:27.560 --> 1:32:30.160 but it's not allowed because it's statutory. Like I don't 1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:31.760 think at twelve you're allowed to be like, no, no, 1:32:31.800 --> 1:32:33.960 I wanted it, Like I don't know, this doesn't feel 1:32:33.960 --> 1:32:36.280 like maybe it was the thing. May it was a deal, 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:38.840 I guess. But they do it in the episode too. 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:40.800 They were like, you're guilty of satutory rape. And it's like, 1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:42.760 if she started having sex with him when he was thirteen, 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:45.760 if she started i'm sorry, sexually assaulting him when he 1:32:45.800 --> 1:32:48.840 was thirteen, how is that statutory rape? Like to me, 1:32:49.000 --> 1:32:50.839 just because he's like, yeah, it was kind of awesome, 1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:53.800 Like I don't know, that doesn't that shouldn't change it. 1:32:53.800 --> 1:32:55.360 To me, I'd be like, that's that's the first degree. 1:32:55.560 --> 1:33:00.000 But she later told Oprah Winfrey that she considered Ville 1:33:00.479 --> 1:33:03.760 to be quote the love of my life. In September 1:33:04.280 --> 1:33:07.000 of nineteen ninety six, three months after the abuse began, 1:33:07.439 --> 1:33:09.920 she found out that she was pregnant with this twelve 1:33:10.000 --> 1:33:13.040 year old student's child. So much like the episode UH. 1:33:13.160 --> 1:33:16.800 In nineteen ninety seven, she was arrested because a member 1:33:16.880 --> 1:33:19.640 of her husband's family called in a tip and was like, 1:33:19.720 --> 1:33:23.320 you got a this woman is doing something bad. She 1:33:23.400 --> 1:33:26.000 was arrested and found guilty of two counts of second 1:33:26.040 --> 1:33:29.800 degree rape of a child. She made a deal with 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:32.800 prosecutors that instead of taking the seven and a half 1:33:32.880 --> 1:33:36.840 year sentence, she would do six months with three months suspended. 1:33:37.200 --> 1:33:39.880 Butt would have to have no contact with Billy Fillau 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:42.760 for the rest of her life. And she agreed and 1:33:42.840 --> 1:33:45.320 said this was a mistake and it will never happen again. 1:33:45.640 --> 1:33:49.120 But after she completed her three month prison sentence, very 1:33:49.200 --> 1:33:51.559 quickly after she's on parole, she gets busted in a 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:53.720 car with Billy Filau, like I remember this happening. I 1:33:53.760 --> 1:33:56.080 was like, oh my god, this woman, like what the fuck? 1:33:56.560 --> 1:34:00.479 And the judges livid, much like Lois. The judge is 1:34:00.560 --> 1:34:04.040 livid and reinstates her original seven and a half year sentence. Okay. 1:34:04.400 --> 1:34:07.840 During this sentence, she gives birth to his second child 1:34:07.920 --> 1:34:12.519 that she has been impregnated with during her parole. So 1:34:12.560 --> 1:34:15.680 now they have two daughters. And she's in prison from 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:19.040 ninety eight to two thousand and four, and she also 1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:22.560 did six months in solitary during that time for continually 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:26.080 trying to contact Falau. So like even in prison, it's 1:34:26.120 --> 1:34:28.559 like you're in prison and there's a no contact order 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:31.360 and you're still trying. Like so when she got out, 1:34:32.360 --> 1:34:35.400 they got the no contact order lifted. They got married 1:34:35.439 --> 1:34:37.960 in May of two thousand and five, when she's forty 1:34:37.960 --> 1:34:40.559 three and he's twenty one. They got married at a 1:34:40.600 --> 1:34:45.240 winery and two hundred people were there. I'm like, there's 1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:48.280 two hundred people that were like, we're down with this. 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:51.760 Here we come. You know, I'm surprised. I thought they 1:34:51.760 --> 1:34:53.920 would be like they got married at a courthouse, you know, 1:34:54.040 --> 1:34:56.360 like two hundred people were like, we are coming to 1:34:56.400 --> 1:34:59.920 the Laturnau Fullau wedding and we are going to throw down. 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:05.200 They were married for fourteen years. They rarely appeared in public, 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:08.840 but they did do a hot for Teacher night at 1:35:08.840 --> 1:35:11.879 a club in Seattle where she hosted and he DJed. 1:35:12.200 --> 1:35:15.400 He spent a few years in Seattle area djying under 1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:19.960 the name DJ headline. But then they started having marital 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:22.960 problems in twenty seventeen. They separated in twenty nineteen, and 1:35:23.000 --> 1:35:25.599 then she died of colon cancer in twenty twenty at 1:35:25.640 --> 1:35:27.920 the age of fifty eight. She actually had like a 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:30.800 very aggressive stage four cancer that like I think she 1:35:30.880 --> 1:35:34.439 was diagnosed and died within like six or seven months. 1:35:34.479 --> 1:35:39.240 So a friend close to Falau told People magazine that 1:35:39.320 --> 1:35:42.160 after she died, he lost a piece of himself. He 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:45.479 understands how fucked up everything was in how they got together. 1:35:45.560 --> 1:35:48.080 He's not stupid, but he can't turn off his feelings completely, 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:50.200 and it's a big loss for him. He talked to 1:35:50.240 --> 1:35:53.040 her right before she passed, and they said everything they 1:35:53.080 --> 1:35:58.599 needed to say. End quote. So that's the story. I mean, 1:35:58.640 --> 1:36:01.920 if you watch the movie made December, obviously it's loosely based, 1:36:02.000 --> 1:36:06.880 but you know, it's kind of like, yeah, you can't 1:36:06.920 --> 1:36:08.800 turn off the way you were feeling. But it's just 1:36:08.840 --> 1:36:11.200 like you shouldn't have even been exposed to like that 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:14.880 relationship at that age, with that, with those circumstances, you know. 1:36:15.640 --> 1:36:20.400 And so I don't know, he's got two kids with 1:36:20.920 --> 1:36:23.519 Mary Kay. He just had another kid with someone else. 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:26.559 His daughters now I think are having kids. So he's 1:36:26.600 --> 1:36:33.280 a grandfather, but you know he's like in his thirties now, damn, 1:36:33.320 --> 1:36:36.600 he's still so young. I know. I know he's like 1:36:36.600 --> 1:36:39.280 a thirty something grandfather, but that's because he was a 1:36:39.320 --> 1:36:42.280 thirteen year old dad. Like it's so, I don't know, 1:36:43.560 --> 1:36:49.800 it's not good, but yeah, did you see me December? No, 1:36:51.360 --> 1:36:55.800 it's interesting, Like Julian Moore's really good. Uh and yeah, 1:36:55.840 --> 1:36:58.840 it's interesting. The guy who plays Billy Flow's kind of 1:36:58.920 --> 1:37:02.839 character is good to it'sird. He goes to my acting teacher. 1:37:03.280 --> 1:37:08.680 Oh really, Yeah, he's hot. Hot, he's really hot. But 1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:12.519 like he like he has a relationship with his kids 1:37:12.560 --> 1:37:16.080 that are teenagers. That's wild because they're so close in age, 1:37:16.120 --> 1:37:21.400 like they're not you know, damn yeah, Like I hang 1:37:21.439 --> 1:37:23.719 out with comics every day who are the age difference 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:27.280 of me and of Mary Kay of him and his kids, 1:37:27.600 --> 1:37:29.840 like thirteen years difference. You know, Like I hang out 1:37:29.840 --> 1:37:31.559 with people all the time that are like in their 1:37:31.600 --> 1:37:34.559 twenties early thirties. I'm like, wow, like I could you 1:37:34.600 --> 1:37:39.120 could be my child if things went really badly. But yeah, 1:37:39.160 --> 1:37:42.120 so it's funny that they did this because it feels 1:37:42.160 --> 1:37:44.720 like they hint at Mary Kay in other episodes, But 1:37:45.600 --> 1:37:49.439 this all went down in like the late nineties, you know, 1:37:49.520 --> 1:37:52.160 like ninety seven ninety eight is when this was all 1:37:52.240 --> 1:37:55.559 kind of going down. And they did this episode in 1:37:55.600 --> 1:37:59.280 twenty ten, but I guess, and that's five years after 1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:02.280 they got married, after she fit like finished her whole 1:38:02.280 --> 1:38:05.439 prison sentence. So it's interesting that the show decided to 1:38:05.479 --> 1:38:08.519 dip back into somebody being that in love with a 1:38:08.600 --> 1:38:14.120 teenager when there's a huge power imbalance and illegality. But 1:38:14.520 --> 1:38:18.280 teens are just so annoying. It's like, what what are 1:38:18.280 --> 1:38:21.439 you in love with? Like I remember Amy Poehler and 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:24.040 Tina Feye did like a weekend update about like after 1:38:24.160 --> 1:38:27.800 another female teacher got busted, like you know, essaying a 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:31.559 student and was like and they were like, yeah, it's 1:38:31.600 --> 1:38:34.720 just like his breath always smells like Dorito's, Like you know, 1:38:34.760 --> 1:38:37.320 it's like, what is it that you're loving? Like I don't. 1:38:37.800 --> 1:38:40.040 I mean, obviously it's a control thing and it's mental 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:44.280 it's a mental illness thing or of some sort, because yeah, 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:47.000 it can't be I don't think it's just like I 1:38:47.000 --> 1:38:49.960 think it's also like she was in this bad marriage. 1:38:50.000 --> 1:38:52.280 She didn't like her husband, and then she's like, oh, 1:38:52.320 --> 1:38:54.880 this is this like a nice person, and it's like 1:38:54.960 --> 1:38:58.280 but it's it's a child like but you know, and 1:38:58.320 --> 1:39:00.800 that's it seems like this woman in the episode said 1:39:00.800 --> 1:39:03.639 she went for psychologically abusive people and then she's like, Oh, 1:39:03.880 --> 1:39:05.679 I can go with somebody that I can literally medicate 1:39:05.720 --> 1:39:08.320 into oblivion and they can just be a little blob 1:39:08.360 --> 1:39:11.840 hanging out with me. But that's that. We have an 1:39:11.880 --> 1:39:24.439 amazing guest, so don't go anywhere. Our guest today is 1:39:24.479 --> 1:39:27.759 an actor who you may know from several classic movies 1:39:27.800 --> 1:39:31.320 from the nineties, including Universal Soldiers, Singles While You Were 1:39:31.320 --> 1:39:35.040 Sleeping Kazam. But you know her best as the abuse 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:40.800 of psychiatrist doctor Franz Stanton. Please enjoy our hilarious conversation 1:39:40.960 --> 1:39:49.360 with Alie Walker. Alie, really, doctor, this is so cool 1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:54.960 to me. You nice, doctor Stanton. You're out of jail 1:39:55.840 --> 1:40:01.840 and waiting a long time, so true. 1:40:02.080 --> 1:40:04.240 I'm off with good behavior. I didn't have sex with 1:40:04.360 --> 1:40:06.720 any of the young watchers. 1:40:07.360 --> 1:40:09.920 No, but I bet your home she gets out and 1:40:09.960 --> 1:40:10.840 tries to find him. 1:40:11.560 --> 1:40:14.479 She will, she will, Yeah, I love her child. 1:40:14.760 --> 1:40:16.519 Well. We talked about how it was like based on 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:20.800 Mary Kay Latourneau and like she could have she could 1:40:20.800 --> 1:40:22.599 have only done three months in jail, and she went 1:40:22.600 --> 1:40:25.360 back to jail for six years because she couldn't seven years, 1:40:25.400 --> 1:40:26.599 because she couldn't stop. 1:40:27.479 --> 1:40:31.160 Well love, true love. It's so weird. It just creeped 1:40:31.200 --> 1:40:31.559 me out. 1:40:31.400 --> 1:40:35.280 That I even yeah, wait, tell us, tell us. When 1:40:35.280 --> 1:40:37.120 you got the script, were you like, oh my god, 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:39.400 this is crazy, or were you like, oh, I'm going 1:40:39.439 --> 1:40:41.200 to play this delusional criminal. How fun? 1:40:41.640 --> 1:40:44.200 Like I was like, just play crazy, just play crazy, 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:50.360 Just just play crazy. You'll do Finey. 1:40:48.640 --> 1:40:51.799 Wong's character was suspicious of you right away. 1:40:52.000 --> 1:40:55.720 Always that guy. I really think. I always want to 1:40:55.760 --> 1:40:59.120 go you're playing the result. Okay, stop it right now, because. 1:40:59.320 --> 1:41:02.479 You always knows everyone's it, you know what he does. 1:41:03.320 --> 1:41:04.000 He's really good. 1:41:04.040 --> 1:41:06.200 I was like a mental His characters supposed to almost 1:41:06.240 --> 1:41:08.040 be like a mentalist, like he like kind of just 1:41:08.080 --> 1:41:08.559 like knows. 1:41:08.720 --> 1:41:11.360 He's like, okay, he's just hitting me all the time, 1:41:11.439 --> 1:41:16.240 like what, But he's also so ethical. Oh well, above 1:41:16.320 --> 1:41:17.439 reproach is what I like. 1:41:21.280 --> 1:41:23.840 And did you play her like is she also on 1:41:23.920 --> 1:41:29.240 drugs or no? I'm thinking no, she's just popping him 1:41:29.479 --> 1:41:30.120 a full of them. 1:41:30.640 --> 1:41:32.280 I think she just had to pump him full of 1:41:32.360 --> 1:41:35.320 him to keep the relationship going, because, let's face it, 1:41:35.400 --> 1:41:37.599 he tried to you know, was it Mallory or something. 1:41:37.680 --> 1:41:40.200 I was like, yeah, what's name? 1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:43.120 But it's like, God, don't you want to kind of 1:41:43.200 --> 1:41:46.240 know who the last guy Franz Stanton dated was that. 1:41:46.280 --> 1:41:48.720 This is what she was like, this is the happiest 1:41:48.800 --> 1:41:51.920 day of my life sex with a thirteen year old? 1:41:53.560 --> 1:41:54.479 A thirteen year old? 1:41:54.960 --> 1:41:57.920 Where's the baby? I know's like? I was always like, 1:41:57.920 --> 1:41:59.960 are we going to see the baby? That adds an. 1:42:00.040 --> 1:42:03.040 I've did seeing the baby and poor which is crazy 1:42:03.080 --> 1:42:05.240 that the grandma would break like why bring the baby 1:42:05.280 --> 1:42:05.920 to court? 1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:08.320 And why give it to that woman? I mean, okay, 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:13.200 I admittedly, but the other one. I was like, why 1:42:13.240 --> 1:42:13.920 do you think he was? 1:42:13.960 --> 1:42:18.800 The way? I had such a watching It's been going 1:42:18.840 --> 1:42:21.680 on for quite a few years. Yeah, is it may 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:22.760 or is anybody looking? 1:42:24.760 --> 1:42:26.519 Baby's not so true? 1:42:26.600 --> 1:42:29.040 Were you like an SBU watcher before you got apart 1:42:29.080 --> 1:42:29.559 on the show? 1:42:30.000 --> 1:42:33.400 I knew Marishka for a long time for that, and 1:42:33.560 --> 1:42:35.439 you know, I kind of run into her in and 1:42:35.439 --> 1:42:37.760 out of Hollywood and stuff, and I love her. So 1:42:37.840 --> 1:42:40.120 I was thought, you know. Now, I don't really watch 1:42:40.120 --> 1:42:42.720 a lot of TV. It's the weirdest thing I do sometimes. 1:42:42.760 --> 1:42:44.519 But I love that because I knew those guys. So 1:42:44.560 --> 1:42:47.280 it was really fun and I thought it was a 1:42:47.320 --> 1:42:49.400 great show. I loved Dick Wolf shows. He was always 1:42:49.439 --> 1:42:52.280 just like, you know, a great just bump, touch hong, 1:42:52.640 --> 1:42:55.600 touch hounge. Yeah, allow would very carefully get up, go 1:42:55.680 --> 1:42:57.840 make a sandwich, come back and okay, I'm on this part. 1:42:57.920 --> 1:42:58.120 Now. 1:42:59.439 --> 1:43:01.679 You know that's really good. I like, I love the show. 1:43:01.880 --> 1:43:03.400 I mean, I think Risk is amazing. 1:43:03.720 --> 1:43:09.480 And what's the guy's name, her sidekick, residame super maloney stayble, 1:43:10.479 --> 1:43:13.160 He's great. I love that you just called him her sidekick. 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:15.360 We're very into I don't. 1:43:15.200 --> 1:43:16.760 Mean, you know that's really good. 1:43:17.400 --> 1:43:19.240 Well, you know, we are women, so we have to 1:43:19.240 --> 1:43:19.479 throw it. 1:43:19.920 --> 1:43:22.080 Well. He left the show after twelve seasons, and she 1:43:22.160 --> 1:43:25.320 continues to carry it on her back at season twenty 1:43:25.360 --> 1:43:28.040 seven about to begin, so thank you know, I think 1:43:28.080 --> 1:43:30.479 we can say that she's the giving the more main 1:43:30.600 --> 1:43:31.400 character energy. 1:43:31.800 --> 1:43:32.720 Well let's go there. 1:43:33.320 --> 1:43:37.080 This was a very iced tea heavy episode and he 1:43:37.160 --> 1:43:40.400 made one of my favorite faces. I mean, everyone was 1:43:40.439 --> 1:43:42.280 not into you like your character. 1:43:42.439 --> 1:43:44.960 You know, it's kind of rude, wasn't it. I was like, 1:43:45.120 --> 1:43:49.160 why do I getting so much flak? You know, an 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:51.800 old pedophile, But it was just like so sad right 1:43:52.280 --> 1:43:53.200 in core. 1:43:53.200 --> 1:43:55.519 You weren't that sorry. You were like, hey, little guy, 1:43:55.600 --> 1:43:56.200 I'll wait for you. 1:43:56.880 --> 1:43:59.200 Yeah, well you're not going to apologize for true love 1:43:59.280 --> 1:44:00.920 or yeah that's what's. 1:44:00.760 --> 1:44:03.840 In your mind. It's just really wild that she's a 1:44:03.840 --> 1:44:07.680 person that studies the like the brain and like its emotions, 1:44:07.720 --> 1:44:09.600 and like didn't realize the. 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:14.680 Perception is everything, right if you perceive having look at Hollywood, Yeah, 1:44:14.840 --> 1:44:17.160 look at the world. It's like we're doing a great thing. 1:44:17.880 --> 1:44:18.040 You know. 1:44:18.120 --> 1:44:21.240 It's like anything can be made to look good, right, 1:44:21.400 --> 1:44:25.200 So she definitely did a lot of self convincing. 1:44:24.760 --> 1:44:28.240 There, yes, And then so I don't know, I wonder 1:44:28.280 --> 1:44:30.040 if you're bringing this up too. We loved that you 1:44:30.040 --> 1:44:32.960 were in a silk robe and they still let you 1:44:33.000 --> 1:44:33.880 stay like. 1:44:34.360 --> 1:44:36.840 They let him stay at your house. You were in 1:44:36.920 --> 1:44:39.519 a silk robe. If you had just been in jeans 1:44:39.560 --> 1:44:41.400 and a T shirt, I don't think anybody would have 1:44:41.479 --> 1:44:43.720 even clomped it. But you answered the door in like 1:44:43.840 --> 1:44:45.800 a silk rose. 1:44:45.439 --> 1:44:48.160 That you guys are in this silk robe. He's all 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:51.360 whacked on drugs, he's underage, and there's a baby and. 1:44:51.560 --> 1:44:56.040 Then there's just like a baby crying and before they 1:44:56.080 --> 1:44:59.040 even figure it out a lot. 1:44:59.200 --> 1:45:01.840 I don't really, I mean I was good. Think about it. 1:45:02.000 --> 1:45:04.439 Think about how clever she was to cover like that 1:45:05.000 --> 1:45:09.400 silk row baby crying drugged up thirteen year old and she's. 1:45:09.200 --> 1:45:11.160 Like, I'm helping my patient and it's like. 1:45:11.280 --> 1:45:13.960 What, let me get my patient back to bed. 1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:17.880 Most people don't even know what neighborhood their therapist lives in, 1:45:18.080 --> 1:45:21.800 let alone like spending a little stint there. I also 1:45:21.840 --> 1:45:24.040 thought it was funny that like no one was onto you, 1:45:24.120 --> 1:45:27.640 and then Finn, like iced Tea's character, was like, I 1:45:27.640 --> 1:45:30.160 don't know, he's young, she's kind of hot. Like I 1:45:30.200 --> 1:45:32.920 was like, oh, I Fin, you're kind of hot. 1:45:33.479 --> 1:45:35.439 I got that shout out and I was very happy 1:45:35.479 --> 1:45:38.200 about that. The best I felt in the whole show. 1:45:38.800 --> 1:45:40.400 I was like, thank you, Finn. 1:45:44.200 --> 1:45:47.560 We have to tell you that. We just yesterday interviewed 1:45:48.240 --> 1:45:52.559 another actor from While you Were Sleeping, Michael Rispoli. So, 1:45:52.720 --> 1:45:55.040 oh my god, like back to back While you. 1:45:55.000 --> 1:45:56.920 Were Sleeping Cat He's hilaro. 1:45:57.240 --> 1:45:59.800 I just watched for the first time literally a month ago, 1:46:00.560 --> 1:46:03.760 and yeah, and I was like when I saw you, 1:46:03.840 --> 1:46:06.760 I was like, oh my girl from Sons of Anarchy and. 1:46:06.880 --> 1:46:11.680 SVU Ashley Bartlett Bacon, Yeah, you like the bastard. 1:46:11.840 --> 1:46:14.439 Yeah, you have like such vibes of like the parent 1:46:14.479 --> 1:46:17.800 trap wife in that you know, what's that woman's name, 1:46:17.800 --> 1:46:20.320 Elaine somebody like, Yeah, you like that. 1:46:20.600 --> 1:46:23.400 It's so that's a great I love that movie. That 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:26.439 movie was so fun. I love that it was originally 1:46:26.439 --> 1:46:31.599 called Koma Guy. No, it'd be I love that cast 1:46:31.680 --> 1:46:34.040 great people to work with, is really funny. 1:46:34.120 --> 1:46:35.760 I don't know if it really would have done as 1:46:35.800 --> 1:46:37.960 well as it did if it was called Cooma Guy. Now, 1:46:38.200 --> 1:46:39.960 I don't say I think that's a good renaming. 1:46:40.120 --> 1:46:43.760 It was literally called Coma guy, and he'd be like, what, well, 1:46:43.840 --> 1:46:46.800 kind of with SVU, we interviewed someone and it was 1:46:46.840 --> 1:46:50.840 supposed to be called sex Police, Oh my god, which 1:46:50.840 --> 1:46:52.080 wouldn't have worked on I don't. 1:46:51.960 --> 1:46:52.559 Think that would have gone. 1:46:52.600 --> 1:46:57.320 Twenty seven seasons not good, No, No, twenty seven seasons. 1:46:57.360 --> 1:46:58.720 That's really impressive. 1:46:58.880 --> 1:47:02.360 They're about to enter into twenty seven in the Paul. Yeah, wow, 1:47:02.600 --> 1:47:03.240 it's amazing. 1:47:03.280 --> 1:47:04.920 I love that. I think it's a great show. I 1:47:04.920 --> 1:47:06.400 think it's a good show. I think I think I 1:47:06.560 --> 1:47:08.240 tea all of them are really good, you know. 1:47:08.560 --> 1:47:11.719 So yeah, do you have any like memories from the set. 1:47:11.800 --> 1:47:15.759 Did you end your teen boyfriend John Mugaro get along? 1:47:15.920 --> 1:47:18.960 I mean, any any little tidbits that are I know, 1:47:19.040 --> 1:47:19.720 it was a long time. 1:47:19.920 --> 1:47:22.000 I think he was with the teacher at the time, 1:47:22.280 --> 1:47:22.800 so I ended. 1:47:22.800 --> 1:47:26.320 God, he was like actually getting high school lessons. 1:47:26.439 --> 1:47:28.040 I think he was actually in a high school. So 1:47:28.200 --> 1:47:30.200 I was just like, no, no, I mean, it was 1:47:30.240 --> 1:47:32.040 just you know, it's like when you go in sets 1:47:32.120 --> 1:47:34.840 like that, they're like well oiled machines, you know. Mushka 1:47:34.920 --> 1:47:37.360 came and said high, we said hi, iced tea was great. 1:47:37.479 --> 1:47:39.280 Everybody was great. We just all like boom and we 1:47:39.320 --> 1:47:42.240 just started working. It was really easy, very very easy, 1:47:42.360 --> 1:47:46.799 very laid back. It was great. Actually, I really enjoyed it. 1:47:46.960 --> 1:47:49.559 They're really good people. I mean, Dick Wolf has great shows. 1:47:49.600 --> 1:47:50.960 And the reason I like it so much as they 1:47:51.200 --> 1:47:54.479 everybody knows what they're is expected. You know where it's 1:47:54.520 --> 1:47:56.519 going to land, you know what you're gonna do, and 1:47:56.560 --> 1:47:59.240 it's not you know, like some sets are chaotic and 1:48:00.080 --> 1:48:03.200 kind of you know, they can be kind of daunting 1:48:03.400 --> 1:48:04.960 and that's that. It was just lovely. 1:48:05.200 --> 1:48:08.040 So it was good and you just did and FBI's 1:48:08.120 --> 1:48:10.360 Most Wanted, which is another dick Wolf joint. 1:48:10.479 --> 1:48:14.040 Dylan, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've only done guests. I think 1:48:14.600 --> 1:48:16.680 I'm like dick Wolf stuff. I've done like three or 1:48:16.680 --> 1:48:18.439 four guests, and that they've all been on like Dick 1:48:18.479 --> 1:48:21.280 Wolf stuff because just it's really you know, they're really 1:48:21.560 --> 1:48:24.360 they're cool, they're really respectful of you, they're you know, 1:48:24.400 --> 1:48:28.360 they're very It's just easy. Yeah, just create a really 1:48:28.360 --> 1:48:31.200 good environment. Those guys are really cool. All the actors, 1:48:31.560 --> 1:48:33.960 there's nobody that you know that you're like, oh, God, 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:36.280 be careful. You know. It's just really fun and easy. 1:48:37.200 --> 1:48:40.639 That's good that there's no be carefuls on that fast. 1:48:40.520 --> 1:48:44.160 Watch cales on some sets. I guess I've been lucky. 1:48:44.200 --> 1:48:48.519 I've had a few be carefuls, but usually, oh, make 1:48:48.560 --> 1:48:49.600 a joke and move on. 1:48:50.640 --> 1:48:52.519 Can you tell me what it was like working on 1:48:52.560 --> 1:48:55.120 Sons of Anarchy. Our listeners know that I'm a huge 1:48:55.120 --> 1:48:58.559 Sons of Anarchy head, and we've had other Sons of 1:48:58.600 --> 1:49:02.519 Anarchy people on. There's a lot of Sons of Innergy 1:49:02.560 --> 1:49:05.720 people on SVU, like a lot of crossover. So I'm 1:49:05.760 --> 1:49:09.479 always pointing it out, and I your character is like 1:49:09.720 --> 1:49:13.920 the antagonist of the You're actually a good guy, but 1:49:13.960 --> 1:49:15.840 you're against them because people. 1:49:15.560 --> 1:49:17.800 Oh my god, that was the most hated character I ever. 1:49:17.960 --> 1:49:20.519 Yeah, used to like give you the sky. 1:49:21.680 --> 1:49:24.960 Like I'd go into malls with my little boys, you 1:49:24.960 --> 1:49:26.880 know at the time my kids, and people were like, 1:49:27.120 --> 1:49:28.040 you're a bitch. 1:49:28.640 --> 1:49:31.519 My god. No, but they were nice. 1:49:31.520 --> 1:49:33.439 They would laugh and be like you're the biggest bitch. 1:49:33.479 --> 1:49:35.040 I'm like, thank you so much. 1:49:37.280 --> 1:49:39.400 Like I'm literally like I'm just trying to take down 1:49:39.439 --> 1:49:42.479 a criminal enterprise. Like the Sons of Anarchy are bad, 1:49:42.520 --> 1:49:43.360 they are criminals. 1:49:43.840 --> 1:49:45.000 I'm like the good guy. 1:49:45.280 --> 1:49:46.799 I am. 1:49:47.680 --> 1:49:51.120 Like, let's be nice. She was great character to play. 1:49:51.160 --> 1:49:53.160 That was a great character to play. I love and 1:49:53.200 --> 1:49:54.040 that show is great. 1:49:54.680 --> 1:49:57.080 Yeah, I loved. I was like so obsessed with that show. 1:49:57.280 --> 1:49:59.960 So you like started and I mean, we get the 1:50:00.040 --> 1:50:02.479 sell from IMDb, so you can tell us of anything's incorrect, 1:50:02.479 --> 1:50:05.160 but you started like on a soap for like one 1:50:05.240 --> 1:50:06.800 hundred episodes or something like that. 1:50:07.479 --> 1:50:09.639 Correct. Oh, and then. 1:50:09.640 --> 1:50:10.559 I'm really impressed. 1:50:10.640 --> 1:50:13.320 Every time we talk to someone from soaps, it's like 1:50:13.720 --> 1:50:16.120 I'm impressed with how much memorization and how fast you 1:50:16.160 --> 1:50:18.960 have to learn stuff, and I bet that's like really 1:50:18.960 --> 1:50:20.439 good training. 1:50:20.520 --> 1:50:22.000 That was like one of the best jobs. I mean, 1:50:22.200 --> 1:50:23.559 that was the best way. I mean I had done 1:50:23.560 --> 1:50:25.599 a little movie and kind of fell into the business 1:50:25.680 --> 1:50:27.920 and then just started working and I got the soap 1:50:28.080 --> 1:50:30.840 and it was it was daunting because it's like, here's 1:50:30.880 --> 1:50:33.040 twenty pages, you know, so we're gonna be doing this 1:50:33.080 --> 1:50:36.600 at lunch after lunch and you'd be like okay, you know, 1:50:37.000 --> 1:50:38.759 so you just like run to your own and cry 1:50:38.800 --> 1:50:41.920 and then you know, go through. But you just it's 1:50:41.960 --> 1:50:44.200 great training. You hit your marks, you know your lights are, 1:50:44.240 --> 1:50:47.400 you learn to work with the cameras. It was crazy, 1:50:47.640 --> 1:50:50.800 but it was wonderful. I love the people. I a Martinez, 1:50:50.880 --> 1:50:54.240 Marcy Walker, Robin Wright. I mean it was a great 1:50:54.320 --> 1:50:55.960 group of people and it was just like you know, 1:50:56.080 --> 1:50:58.439 going to school. I just ate it up. So it 1:50:58.479 --> 1:51:00.599 was fun. Yeah, that was a great time. 1:51:00.600 --> 1:51:02.800 How did you fall into it? You meant you just 1:51:02.800 --> 1:51:04.719 said that into acting? 1:51:05.000 --> 1:51:07.920 I got seen in a restaurant. Actually, dude, I was 1:51:07.960 --> 1:51:08.720 a scientist. 1:51:09.040 --> 1:51:13.040 Stopped up. Oh, I say, I used. 1:51:12.960 --> 1:51:15.160 The term scientists loosely. I was a grunt, right, I 1:51:15.160 --> 1:51:18.679 had my my BS and bio and chemistry or whatever 1:51:18.920 --> 1:51:23.600 by biochemistry basically biology from UC Santa Cruz. I was 1:51:23.640 --> 1:51:27.280 applying to med schools. Didn't get into LA so I 1:51:27.360 --> 1:51:31.400 got a job in the immunology department at UCLA and 1:51:31.560 --> 1:51:32.880 was out it with a friend of mine who was 1:51:32.880 --> 1:51:35.960 an actor, and I was laughing and being goofy because 1:51:35.960 --> 1:51:38.160 I'm almost like ma, but I'm you know, cause anyway, 1:51:38.880 --> 1:51:40.600 and this guy came over to me and said, you know, 1:51:40.600 --> 1:51:42.920 you're really funny. Why don't you come in audition for 1:51:42.960 --> 1:51:45.360 this film? And I was like right, you know, and 1:51:45.520 --> 1:51:47.479 but my friend was like, no, it's actually a real movie. 1:51:47.520 --> 1:51:49.439 Go do it. So I did it, and I got it, 1:51:49.479 --> 1:51:51.400 and I'm on the cutting room floor in some movie 1:51:51.439 --> 1:51:54.559 that I, you know, never saw. And then but then 1:51:55.120 --> 1:51:58.040 I got signed. I mean, it was just crazy. I 1:51:58.040 --> 1:52:00.880 got signed by an agency, I got a couple of commercials. 1:52:01.160 --> 1:52:03.320 I just started working and I started going to classes 1:52:03.360 --> 1:52:06.160 and waiting table you know, the common drama of the actor. 1:52:06.880 --> 1:52:09.479 Started going to like every class I could find and 1:52:09.720 --> 1:52:13.080 waiting tables, and then read for the soap got it 1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:16.559 and then just started really going, you know, and it 1:52:16.600 --> 1:52:19.480 was it was, it was insiting. Man, it was great. 1:52:19.920 --> 1:52:22.240 Yeah, and then you basically just like have it stopped 1:52:22.280 --> 1:52:25.559 working in like three days, like decades, so and I 1:52:25.640 --> 1:52:26.400 retired like. 1:52:26.280 --> 1:52:28.720 Five I did Ghosted was like the last I did 1:52:28.840 --> 1:52:31.400 FBI just for Funk because I know Dylan. I love 1:52:31.479 --> 1:52:33.200 Dick Walf So I was like, yes, I love that show. 1:52:33.240 --> 1:52:34.439 So I was like, okay, And you know, my friend 1:52:34.560 --> 1:52:38.120 Julie McMahon was first read. Oh you know, I did 1:52:38.160 --> 1:52:40.559 profile with him, and so I've always like watched it 1:52:40.600 --> 1:52:42.400 because I watched when he was you know there. But 1:52:43.439 --> 1:52:47.559 so I quit a few years back basically because I'm tired. 1:52:47.640 --> 1:52:51.120 I don't know, but but I wrote a book. 1:52:51.320 --> 1:52:53.320 So that's what I was wanted to ask you about 1:52:53.320 --> 1:52:57.320 your book. Yeah, let me say, okay, so you have 1:52:57.360 --> 1:52:59.360 you wrote a book this year called The light Runner. 1:53:00.320 --> 1:53:02.920 Yes, it's fanned. It's taken me about ten years to 1:53:02.920 --> 1:53:04.559 get it out because I wrote it as a pilot 1:53:04.920 --> 1:53:08.719 and the first episode in twenty fifteen, and then I 1:53:08.760 --> 1:53:11.280 gave it out. Nobody picked it up, and so I 1:53:11.360 --> 1:53:14.200 made a film and then I you know, did that 1:53:14.560 --> 1:53:17.680 I called far More, which is on Amazon Prime and 1:53:17.760 --> 1:53:20.120 Apple and all that, and then I just I kept 1:53:20.160 --> 1:53:23.120 writing so I was like, well, just write a frickin book. 1:53:23.160 --> 1:53:24.479 I mean, let me teach me, you know. So I 1:53:24.520 --> 1:53:27.080 started like just trying to write and doing it at 1:53:27.160 --> 1:53:29.519 night and doing it in the pickup line and doing 1:53:29.479 --> 1:53:32.519 it wherever I could. And I wrote a book. And 1:53:32.560 --> 1:53:35.120 then in twenty twenty two I gave it to the 1:53:35.160 --> 1:53:37.479 publisher at the small company and she loved it, and 1:53:37.479 --> 1:53:39.200 she goes, I mean, we have to edit, but I 1:53:39.240 --> 1:53:43.599 love it. And so I started editing. And then that 1:53:43.680 --> 1:53:45.599 company it was supposed come out in twenty twenty three 1:53:45.640 --> 1:53:48.360 with their company, and they went under after COVID. I 1:53:48.520 --> 1:53:50.040 just thought, you know, I'm just going to put it out, 1:53:50.280 --> 1:53:53.559 and so yeah, so I put it out. So it's 1:53:53.560 --> 1:53:56.599 called The Light Runner. It's on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. 1:53:56.640 --> 1:53:59.479 There's my my spiel, Okay, what can you give us? 1:53:59.520 --> 1:54:02.360 Like the quick like, what's the elevator pitch, what's the 1:54:02.400 --> 1:54:03.120 LaGG Okay. 1:54:03.280 --> 1:54:06.640 It's a metaphysical thriller. It's a psychological thriller. It's really 1:54:06.680 --> 1:54:07.759 at the heart of that a thriller. 1:54:07.960 --> 1:54:08.320 Okay. 1:54:08.439 --> 1:54:11.560 It's about this young psychiatrist who works in a psychiatric 1:54:11.680 --> 1:54:14.720 hospital and she gets her first case and it's this 1:54:15.520 --> 1:54:18.760 Army captain Captain Oliver Haskell, who's a war hero whose 1:54:18.760 --> 1:54:22.800 wife's been murdered and he's so depressed and down. They're 1:54:22.840 --> 1:54:25.040 worried about him. So it goes into this psychiatric hospital 1:54:25.040 --> 1:54:26.720 and she starts to listen to a story and try 1:54:26.760 --> 1:54:29.320 to figure things out, and as she does her own, 1:54:29.680 --> 1:54:33.680 her own story starts to unravel, and she starts remembering 1:54:33.720 --> 1:54:35.360 things from the past that had happened to her. She's 1:54:35.360 --> 1:54:37.360 had a lot of trauma, blah blah. But then the 1:54:37.400 --> 1:54:40.800 patients in the hospital start to explain to her how 1:54:40.880 --> 1:54:44.240 reality really works and how to find the truth of things, 1:54:44.280 --> 1:54:47.360 and it's just like this kind of slow burn I'm getting. 1:54:47.440 --> 1:54:51.400 It's given great reviews. I'm really psyched, so it's well received. 1:54:51.440 --> 1:54:53.120 So I'm just kind of like, oh my god. 1:54:53.520 --> 1:54:55.160 And does she have an affair with a thirteen year 1:54:55.200 --> 1:54:58.360 old at any point the psychiatrist that would be a no, 1:55:00.040 --> 1:55:01.720 would be you know, that's doctor good tie in. 1:55:03.920 --> 1:55:06.360 In the same word now as doctor Stanton. Then they 1:55:06.440 --> 1:55:09.960 became friends. Isn't that crazy? But so no, So I 1:55:09.960 --> 1:55:11.880 did that. That's my latest gig. And then I'll probably 1:55:11.920 --> 1:55:13.880 I don't know, I just do you know things. 1:55:14.320 --> 1:55:17.240 Yeah, it feels like you're semi retired. I think if 1:55:17.240 --> 1:55:20.480 the right thing came along, I would. 1:55:20.200 --> 1:55:23.440 But I haven't. You know, I haven't. You know, everything 1:55:23.560 --> 1:55:27.600 is auditioning now by yourself somewhere. Yeah, you know, I'm 1:55:27.640 --> 1:55:31.480 an old fossil of this. I loved meeting directors and 1:55:31.600 --> 1:55:35.040 people and working with people, and it just became, you know, 1:55:35.080 --> 1:55:36.680 the roles are pure and for the between when you 1:55:36.680 --> 1:55:38.960 get older, it's really rough, you know, and unless you're 1:55:39.000 --> 1:55:41.600 you know, Nicole Kidman, and it's like, you know, and 1:55:41.640 --> 1:55:43.960 she's amazing. So it's like I just started going, you know, 1:55:44.240 --> 1:55:46.200 just do other stuff. So I directed a film. I 1:55:46.200 --> 1:55:48.960 wrote and directed a film, won a few awards at festivals, 1:55:49.360 --> 1:55:53.040 and then was it it's called far More. 1:55:52.880 --> 1:55:55.320 Oh I'm seeing Yeah, it has Adrian Grenier in. 1:55:55.280 --> 1:56:00.240 It and like period de mateo. Yeah, and I was, 1:56:00.400 --> 1:56:02.680 you know, that was a great experience. So that was 1:56:02.760 --> 1:56:05.080 really fun, and I my writing got a lot of 1:56:05.120 --> 1:56:07.520 attention for that script. It was really great. And then 1:56:07.560 --> 1:56:09.240 I just you know, I really love to write. I've 1:56:09.240 --> 1:56:11.400 always written, and that's what made me want to do 1:56:11.440 --> 1:56:13.480 the book. So I was just like, Okay, that's great. 1:56:14.120 --> 1:56:14.480 Yeh man. 1:56:14.640 --> 1:56:19.120 So you enjoy the writing process. You're into it, Yeah, it's. 1:56:19.320 --> 1:56:22.360 Fun for me. I mean it's like it's hard, you know, 1:56:22.480 --> 1:56:24.560 some day, not every day. Some days you're like, I 1:56:24.560 --> 1:56:27.560 don't know, I got nothing, but you know, other days 1:56:27.560 --> 1:56:30.680 you're just like you know, And with this particular one, 1:56:30.720 --> 1:56:32.960 I just kind of it's really weird. I was describing this. 1:56:33.000 --> 1:56:34.760 I did a podcast esterday and I was like describing 1:56:34.840 --> 1:56:36.120 somebody and it's like, well, how do you do it? 1:56:36.240 --> 1:56:37.800 You lay out an outline. I was like, no, man, 1:56:37.840 --> 1:56:40.440 there's no way. I'm not you know, like organized. But 1:56:40.560 --> 1:56:42.920 what I do do is I do do is What 1:56:43.120 --> 1:56:46.440 I do do is I sit on a couch for 1:56:46.560 --> 1:56:50.920 hours and just daydream. And that's how I approached acting. 1:56:51.000 --> 1:56:54.480 I just sit there and make up the character and 1:56:54.600 --> 1:56:57.400 all the things that in my head. And it really 1:56:57.800 --> 1:57:00.520 I learned this in a class with Harry Master George 1:57:00.560 --> 1:57:03.920 you know who taught you know, reallyotta Walkgoggins meld me grust. 1:57:04.000 --> 1:57:05.600 And I was a baby when I went to that class. 1:57:05.600 --> 1:57:07.640 I would just be like, that's a really smart thing 1:57:07.680 --> 1:57:09.280 to do. So I did it with writing. I just 1:57:09.320 --> 1:57:11.720 sit for a few days and really kind of h 1:57:12.440 --> 1:57:14.280 that be like, and then I'd start writing and it 1:57:14.360 --> 1:57:16.440 was like stream of consciousness. It was really fun. 1:57:16.520 --> 1:57:18.240 Wow. Wait, I like that. 1:57:19.400 --> 1:57:22.680 Otherwise it gets too for me. I if I have 1:57:22.760 --> 1:57:27.760 to like block it and stuff, it gets kind of scary, 1:57:28.320 --> 1:57:29.560 like did you do your homework? 1:57:30.160 --> 1:57:33.280 Yeah? You know, yeah, and then you like at you 1:57:33.320 --> 1:57:36.400 and your outlining, you start seeing like problems and you're like, well, 1:57:36.400 --> 1:57:38.000 now I got to go back and fix that instead 1:57:38.000 --> 1:57:40.120 of moving forward. And yeah, I have. 1:57:40.120 --> 1:57:41.720 A lot of problems. To believe me, I went back 1:57:42.280 --> 1:57:44.320 up and down. But I was just like, I don't 1:57:44.320 --> 1:57:45.120 worry about. 1:57:44.880 --> 1:57:47.960 We'll go back and fix the problem that I like 1:57:48.080 --> 1:57:49.600 this brainstorming vibe. 1:57:50.400 --> 1:57:51.360 Yeah. 1:57:51.520 --> 1:57:53.800 Yeah, it's more fun that way. I just really like 1:57:54.000 --> 1:57:56.600 just like, oh, that'd be like when we think about 1:57:56.600 --> 1:57:59.240 that for a while, just lost in your head. You 1:57:59.240 --> 1:58:00.880 know that's cool. 1:58:01.040 --> 1:58:04.960 I feel like that's you're like diversifying, like you're doing 1:58:05.040 --> 1:58:07.960 writing and directing and different things. 1:58:08.000 --> 1:58:14.080 Do you ever like sliding doors think about your science life? 1:58:14.520 --> 1:58:18.240 Yes? That is so weird. Yes, I do. There's a 1:58:18.280 --> 1:58:21.720 lot of that in the book because in the book 1:58:22.080 --> 1:58:25.560 I talk about what reality is and time I talk 1:58:25.600 --> 1:58:27.200 about it in a very different way. I say it's 1:58:27.240 --> 1:58:29.480 not one dimensional. It just doesn't go from here to there, 1:58:29.920 --> 1:58:32.680 goes back and it can wrap around itself and all 1:58:32.720 --> 1:58:36.440 these things that they're saying, there's scientific bases in these things, 1:58:36.520 --> 1:58:39.000 and it's really weird because some of them, which I 1:58:39.000 --> 1:58:42.560 found out later are true, and I was like, really 1:58:42.640 --> 1:58:46.400 I need that, you know. So it's really fun, you know. 1:58:47.080 --> 1:58:49.000 So yeah, my science head kind of came out in 1:58:49.040 --> 1:58:52.480 the writing a lot. My dad was a physicist, and 1:58:52.520 --> 1:58:54.600 you know, I used to have like really interesting conversations 1:58:54.640 --> 1:58:57.600 with him about you know, reality and dimensions and like 1:58:57.760 --> 1:59:01.000 just like you know, how things work, and so, you know, 1:59:01.400 --> 1:59:04.960 science is pretty great. It's really it's very creative, you know, 1:59:05.000 --> 1:59:07.480 and if you could imagine something, usually if you can 1:59:07.600 --> 1:59:09.760 prove it, you know, it's fun. 1:59:10.280 --> 1:59:12.280 Okay, tell us about Kazam. 1:59:13.600 --> 1:59:16.280 You know, that's so funny. I just I just did 1:59:16.320 --> 1:59:20.040 an interview with this guy who's writing an auto auto 1:59:20.040 --> 1:59:23.680 but biography on Shack, and I was like, yeah, just 1:59:23.800 --> 1:59:26.120 asking me questions and I was like, I don't really 1:59:26.160 --> 1:59:30.280 remember it. You know. For me, it was like I 1:59:30.360 --> 1:59:32.160 just went and did my job. I had a great 1:59:32.200 --> 1:59:35.520 time with Shack. He was a hoot, and Francis was great. 1:59:35.920 --> 1:59:39.600 But it was a weird set and I was like, 1:59:39.800 --> 1:59:42.520 what is going on here? Man? Because I just like 1:59:42.600 --> 1:59:44.600 to get in, do my job, have a few laughs, 1:59:44.600 --> 1:59:46.360 and leave. And it was there was a lot like 1:59:46.400 --> 1:59:48.760 one guy who was not an actor, who was hired 1:59:48.800 --> 1:59:53.560 to play my character's boyfriend, hated what's his name? The director, 1:59:54.040 --> 1:59:57.120 Paul Michael Laser, who had you know, had a horrible 1:59:57.560 --> 1:59:59.400 just lost his wife and child. 1:59:59.640 --> 2:00:02.840 I don't know if you know, yes, Elizabeth Glazer, the 2:00:02.840 --> 2:00:04.200 Pediatric AIDS Foundation. 2:00:04.480 --> 2:00:09.320 Yeah, yeah, just the saddest story. And I was very 2:00:09.360 --> 2:00:12.880 cognizant of that. Francis was there and he was such 2:00:12.880 --> 2:00:14.960 a sweet kid. But then there was this guy and 2:00:15.000 --> 2:00:19.080 he hated Paul or something. I wasn't there when it happened, 2:00:19.080 --> 2:00:21.080 and I came to set one day and it was 2:00:21.120 --> 2:00:23.680 like the costume person's like, come here, Camara, and I'm 2:00:23.720 --> 2:00:27.200 like what and she's like the guy walked to Lax 2:00:27.240 --> 2:00:31.760 and left. So he walked from the set to Lax 2:00:31.840 --> 2:00:36.520 like nine miles away. Then I was like, who am 2:00:36.560 --> 2:00:40.320 I doing my off camera? You know, it's just like 2:00:40.560 --> 2:00:43.240 so that was kind of nutty, right, But I never 2:00:43.560 --> 2:00:46.560 I never realized how much attention that film got, like 2:00:46.640 --> 2:00:49.160 negative attention, because I was like, oh, it's a kid's movie. 2:00:49.200 --> 2:00:51.440 It's cute. That's how I felt about it. I was 2:00:51.480 --> 2:00:53.560 just like, oh, it's a cute kids movie, okay, you know, 2:00:53.800 --> 2:00:56.320 and uh it was sweet, I thought. And then she's 2:00:56.440 --> 2:01:01.920 hating it, like and wow, And then combined that with 2:01:02.000 --> 2:01:04.080 the guy on the set, I was just like, I 2:01:04.080 --> 2:01:05.320 don't know what to think of that. I had a 2:01:05.320 --> 2:01:07.520 great time with Shack, That's all I can say. Shack 2:01:07.560 --> 2:01:09.879 and I had a ball. I was like happy. 2:01:10.640 --> 2:01:12.080 Shack's one of my favorites. 2:01:14.200 --> 2:01:17.440 Us too. By the way, he's a he's a genius 2:01:17.440 --> 2:01:19.360 and he was just a kid, you know. We went 2:01:19.400 --> 2:01:21.760 to the premiere and this was the sweetest thing. He 2:01:21.880 --> 2:01:23.280 leaned over to me. We were at the premiere in 2:01:23.280 --> 2:01:25.320 New York and he goes, hey, Alie, and I was 2:01:25.320 --> 2:01:27.200 like what we were supposed to be talking and he goes, 2:01:27.280 --> 2:01:31.480 I just had my first baby. And I was like, oh, oh, 2:01:31.520 --> 2:01:34.640 he's really sweet. It's so sweet. So I don't know, 2:01:34.720 --> 2:01:36.160 I had a great time. I've had a really good 2:01:36.200 --> 2:01:37.600 time on most of the stuff I've done. You know, 2:01:37.640 --> 2:01:38.760 I just try to Yeah. 2:01:38.560 --> 2:01:40.600 You see, like you really go with the flow. Don't 2:01:40.640 --> 2:01:42.600 have a lot of wow. 2:01:42.800 --> 2:01:45.880 I can be difficult, you know, at the writing, I 2:01:45.880 --> 2:01:48.040 could be difficult. Well it's usually about the writing, Like 2:01:48.120 --> 2:01:50.800 really I gotta what what you know? So i'd be 2:01:52.200 --> 2:01:54.480 But but not when you're you know, I mean when 2:01:54.480 --> 2:01:56.400 I was on Profiler, I had a hard time because 2:01:56.560 --> 2:01:59.400 a lot of people were running coming and going. But 2:01:59.520 --> 2:02:01.600 most of the I mean know, we're really lucky to 2:02:01.640 --> 2:02:04.600 be doing what we're doing, and you know, it's it's 2:02:04.600 --> 2:02:05.760 a hell out of waiting tables. 2:02:05.960 --> 2:02:08.440 I can't believe that you like literally could have just 2:02:08.480 --> 2:02:11.000 been a scientist if this person didn't like overhear you 2:02:11.080 --> 2:02:13.080 being a goof at dinner? Do you remember who this? 2:02:13.640 --> 2:02:15.400 Do you remember who this person was? And did you 2:02:15.440 --> 2:02:15.720 ever hear? 2:02:15.800 --> 2:02:15.960 It? 2:02:15.960 --> 2:02:18.680 Was Michael Greco and he did a little film with 2:02:18.760 --> 2:02:22.280 Chris Makepeace and I actually am seeing running through one 2:02:22.320 --> 2:02:24.800 of the hallways on it called a Loha Summer. It 2:02:24.840 --> 2:02:27.280 was a really sweet little film. Don't think he ever 2:02:27.320 --> 2:02:31.959 made anything else, but he was lovely and never. 2:02:32.000 --> 2:02:35.120 Literally launched your career over me. 2:02:35.640 --> 2:02:37.720 I got the acting bookcase I'd done it in you 2:02:37.760 --> 2:02:39.920 know college is but I was just always like, I 2:02:39.920 --> 2:02:42.880 can a living at this, you know, pay off my student. 2:02:44.440 --> 2:02:48.600 So yeah, this is cool. That's that's like that's literally 2:02:48.680 --> 2:02:51.600 like I got discovered at the supermarket type of story 2:02:51.640 --> 2:02:53.160 that like you barely ever hear. 2:02:53.560 --> 2:02:55.320 Yeah, I thought the guy was crazy when he approached 2:02:55.320 --> 2:02:57.240 me at the table. I was like, oh sure, I'm 2:02:57.280 --> 2:03:01.960 with someone you know, and legit really changed my life, 2:03:02.120 --> 2:03:06.560 just completely changed my life. Yeah, it's crazy, really crazy. 2:03:06.880 --> 2:03:09.760 This has been very fun. Yeah, thank you so much 2:03:09.800 --> 2:03:12.120 for talking to us. Anything else that you remember from 2:03:12.160 --> 2:03:14.440 your little fran Stanton days that you want to throw 2:03:14.560 --> 2:03:17.760 to our audience. I mean your eyes, I was gonna say, 2:03:17.760 --> 2:03:20.840 you're crying was very good. Like you you got your 2:03:20.840 --> 2:03:23.280 eyes got so red and you got the tears just 2:03:23.320 --> 2:03:24.760 really tumbling out talking. 2:03:24.560 --> 2:03:30.720 About love that kid. You love that teen, I love 2:03:30.800 --> 2:03:33.840 that teen love. Oh god, well, thank you for having me. 2:03:33.880 --> 2:03:34.680 You guys are a hoot. 2:03:38.880 --> 2:03:43.000 She's the best. Oh my god, I'm last girl. I 2:03:43.080 --> 2:03:43.880 might read the book. 2:03:44.720 --> 2:03:47.360 It reminded me, like I read the Barnes and Nobles 2:03:47.400 --> 2:03:50.600 synopsis and it's like it does remind me of my 2:03:50.720 --> 2:03:52.839 James Patterson days, like I want to thriller. 2:03:53.400 --> 2:03:58.640 Yeah, I was like the light Runners about comics that 2:03:58.720 --> 2:04:02.680 go too long on their that's wow. I just like 2:04:02.760 --> 2:04:05.280 what a story to just get like discovered while you're 2:04:05.320 --> 2:04:07.400 working in a lab and then you're just like, I'm 2:04:07.440 --> 2:04:12.080 an actor now gonna work for thirty years series regulars writing, 2:04:12.960 --> 2:04:16.520 And yeah, super Big watched Sons of Anarchy. She's really 2:04:16.520 --> 2:04:19.880 good in it. She's so like she's like this FBI 2:04:19.920 --> 2:04:22.000 agent that's like, I'm gonna fucking get you guys. I mean, 2:04:22.400 --> 2:04:24.400 spoiler alert, it's really hard to get those guys. 2:04:24.960 --> 2:04:27.960 Uh, but aunt to have back to back while you 2:04:28.000 --> 2:04:30.800 were sleeping people, That's like, yeah, why. 2:04:31.200 --> 2:04:33.680 Back to back? When I just watched it, and like, 2:04:34.000 --> 2:04:37.960 oh my god, I just I love talking to her 2:04:38.280 --> 2:04:42.120 and wow, I love how well how much she loved 2:04:42.280 --> 2:04:45.800 joking about her relationship with that thirteen year old I 2:04:45.800 --> 2:04:47.080 mean he was sixteen by the time he was on 2:04:47.120 --> 2:04:50.320 the episode. But also I am I love that she 2:04:50.440 --> 2:04:54.600 loves Shack. Yeah, that she's in Kazam. 2:04:54.840 --> 2:04:57.160 I wonder if she truly knows the depths of like 2:04:57.360 --> 2:05:02.280 the Mendela effect, because am sin Ad Shack like universe 2:05:02.320 --> 2:05:04.560 there's like a lot of talks about because they am. 2:05:05.080 --> 2:05:08.720 Yes, the city, there's like the Sinbad Mandela effecting. Yes, totally. 2:05:09.120 --> 2:05:11.720 Oh but she is in singles, which I we didn't 2:05:11.760 --> 2:05:13.920 get to ask her about. But Singles was huge when 2:05:13.960 --> 2:05:17.640 I was like in middle school because everybody was like 2:05:17.720 --> 2:05:21.040 wearing the flannels and like walk into grunge and like 2:05:21.120 --> 2:05:23.840 that was like the grunge movie that came out. Singles. 2:05:24.120 --> 2:05:27.880 Oh interesting, Wow, it's really star studded. I've never heard 2:05:27.920 --> 2:05:28.560 of this movie. 2:05:29.240 --> 2:05:32.920 Oh yeah, singles, But now that I see Matt Dylon 2:05:33.000 --> 2:05:36.440 with his long hair. Yeah, a Cameron Crow, a Cameron 2:05:36.440 --> 2:05:38.280 Crow classic. I don't know if I've ever seen a 2:05:38.280 --> 2:05:43.080 Cameron Crow movie. Almost famous, No, no, hmm, I can't 2:05:43.160 --> 2:05:45.520 name another one, so I don't know what the other 2:05:45.560 --> 2:05:46.280 ones are. 2:05:47.600 --> 2:05:50.360 Oh, I've seen Jerry Maguire. I've seen Jerry Maguire. Yeah, 2:05:50.400 --> 2:05:51.680 and I've seen we Bought a Zoo. 2:05:52.640 --> 2:05:55.520 We bought a Zoo? Wow? Waits a fast Time? 2:05:55.600 --> 2:05:58.880 Oh Elizabeth time and wait it's fast Times him he 2:05:58.960 --> 2:06:00.480 wrote it? 2:06:00.640 --> 2:06:03.120 Cool? Damn? 2:06:03.800 --> 2:06:06.920 Oh yeah, I mean Amy Hypocerlian. They directed it. That's 2:06:06.960 --> 2:06:09.320 who I associate with the movie. I didn't realize Cameron 2:06:09.400 --> 2:06:14.520 Crow wrote it. Wow, that was great? Yeah that in 2:06:14.600 --> 2:06:17.560 days and confused. I always get confused which ones which? 2:06:17.640 --> 2:06:23.680 But I love how Yeah we bought a sup Okay cool, 2:06:23.960 --> 2:06:27.000 I'm enjoying. Sorry, I'm like looking at this, but people 2:06:27.040 --> 2:06:30.640 really love this man, and I think he loves Tom Curuz. 2:06:31.560 --> 2:06:35.320 Okay, so what's our post mortem from this episode? I 2:06:35.360 --> 2:06:43.080 guess like pedophilia is never okay, I don't care. Yeah, like, yeah, 2:06:43.320 --> 2:06:47.160 an adult is not allowed to do anything with a teen. 2:06:47.360 --> 2:06:53.200 It's just not that's not sex. But also it's scary 2:06:53.480 --> 2:06:56.640 when it's like get help, go go, like get help 2:06:56.680 --> 2:06:59.840 for your mental illnesses and things like that, and then 2:07:00.040 --> 2:07:03.280 someone can just like so take advantage of you and 2:07:03.400 --> 2:07:06.320 like fuck with your meds and turn you into a 2:07:06.320 --> 2:07:09.360 different person and tell you you have schizophrenia. I mean, 2:07:09.480 --> 2:07:12.240 like that's just like very harrowing. 2:07:12.360 --> 2:07:14.200 I know it's a TV show, but I'm glad it 2:07:14.280 --> 2:07:16.080 is a time where someone got a sentence and I 2:07:16.120 --> 2:07:18.600 was like, yeah, she should be there for twenty years. 2:07:18.920 --> 2:07:21.960 Yeah. And then the real crime the con I don't know, 2:07:22.160 --> 2:07:25.320 it's like he is up there with like the catch 2:07:25.360 --> 2:07:27.680 me if you can guy, Like I mean, I wouldn't 2:07:27.680 --> 2:07:29.880 even say Annadelvi is kind of like even in the 2:07:29.920 --> 2:07:33.080 same realm because this guy was doing it for decades 2:07:33.120 --> 2:07:35.920 and Annadelvy got caught pretty quick. Although it's a more 2:07:35.920 --> 2:07:38.760 modern age, it's easier I think to get caught, But 2:07:38.920 --> 2:07:43.400 like this guy just like going around and it's just like, 2:07:44.240 --> 2:07:46.160 I don't know. I just don't know how you pretend 2:07:46.840 --> 2:07:48.680 to be so rich when you have no money. I 2:07:48.680 --> 2:07:50.960 don't know how you It's like the creativity, you gotta 2:07:51.000 --> 2:07:54.040 almost respect it. Uh. But I think he's a sociopath 2:07:54.160 --> 2:07:55.720 and I don't know what he thought he was going 2:07:55.800 --> 2:07:57.600 to do. I think like the only person that he 2:07:57.680 --> 2:08:00.080 actually kind of cared about was his daughter, and thats 2:08:00.080 --> 2:08:01.360 why he tried to steal her back. But it's like, 2:08:01.400 --> 2:08:03.560 what did you think was gonna happen? You were going 2:08:03.600 --> 2:08:08.000 to live in Baltimore with your kidnapped daughter, with people 2:08:08.000 --> 2:08:10.880 thinking that you're a Rockefeller on the loose, Like your 2:08:10.880 --> 2:08:13.080 wife who has millions of dollars, is not going to 2:08:13.120 --> 2:08:18.040 track her daughter down. I don't know. Delusion, delusions of grandeur. 2:08:19.080 --> 2:08:21.720 But also right, but in the real life, it's like, 2:08:21.840 --> 2:08:24.800 why if the mom is such a bad mom, why 2:08:24.880 --> 2:08:27.640 did she get another She's gonna hold the baby like 2:08:27.720 --> 2:08:30.280 the pill popping grandma oh in. 2:08:30.200 --> 2:08:33.480 The in the episode. Yeah yeah, back to the episode. Yeah, 2:08:33.560 --> 2:08:36.800 one track of mind for me. No, that's okay, I yeah, 2:08:36.920 --> 2:08:40.840 I mean that was like because she's like, I never 2:08:40.960 --> 2:08:42.400 laid a hand. That's the only thing we know about 2:08:42.400 --> 2:08:43.600 her is that she never hit her kids. But I 2:08:43.600 --> 2:08:45.120 don't think she did anything else that was that great. 2:08:45.240 --> 2:08:47.920 You know, Like her son's on the streets and she 2:08:47.960 --> 2:08:49.840 goes we skype every week. I'm like, and you can't 2:08:49.840 --> 2:08:53.160 convince him to come home, Like, I don't know. At 2:08:53.160 --> 2:08:56.360 the same time, she was working against a psychiatrist who 2:08:56.400 --> 2:09:00.400 was drugging her child for three years. Yeah, broke up 2:09:00.400 --> 2:09:05.480 with like a good girlfriend. Yeah yeah, I mean I 2:09:05.480 --> 2:09:07.760 think him and Mallory are going to stay together. That's 2:09:07.760 --> 2:09:11.240 what I think happens in the PostScript. But yeah, but 2:09:11.320 --> 2:09:13.720 I don't want her to like be a teen stepmom. 2:09:14.000 --> 2:09:16.920 I know, a teen stun andrewis to raise this baby. 2:09:16.960 --> 2:09:21.080 He doesn't want to, Like, I don't fuck this bitch. 2:09:20.920 --> 2:09:21.240 I know. 2:09:21.680 --> 2:09:23.960 I'm like part of me thinks that, like, even if 2:09:24.000 --> 2:09:25.520 she goes to jail, she should have to pay a 2:09:25.520 --> 2:09:27.800 certain amount of like child support for the child, so 2:09:27.800 --> 2:09:30.400 that they at least can use her psychiatrist's money to 2:09:30.560 --> 2:09:32.680 raise the kid. I mean, I love how we go 2:09:32.720 --> 2:09:36.280 into just a full PostScript of fake people, but I 2:09:38.680 --> 2:09:40.920 would like to see a happy life for this poor 2:09:41.440 --> 2:09:43.400 little child. I mean, I gotta be honest. The kids 2:09:43.400 --> 2:09:46.360 of Mary Kay Latourneau and Billy Filau seem like they 2:09:46.400 --> 2:09:49.600 were raised by loving parents, even though their dad was 2:09:50.520 --> 2:09:52.560 thirteen and fourteen when they were born. 2:09:53.120 --> 2:09:55.680 They're gonna write some books, I bet yeah, they'll do 2:09:55.760 --> 2:09:59.160 some sit downs with well whatever takes over for sixty 2:09:59.240 --> 2:10:02.800 minutes when it's when everyone's arrested. 2:10:03.040 --> 2:10:06.640 Yeah, when it becomes a state television run called like 2:10:06.760 --> 2:10:10.680 just like Trump tonight. All right, let's move on to 2:10:10.960 --> 2:10:15.760 our what would Sister Peg Do? For this episode? What 2:10:15.760 --> 2:10:18.000 Would Sister Peg Do is our weekly segment where we 2:10:18.200 --> 2:10:23.440 direct you towards a book, article, organization, something to give 2:10:23.480 --> 2:10:25.600 you more info about what we talked about today. And 2:10:26.400 --> 2:10:30.320 you know, we were talking about how people can't like 2:10:30.520 --> 2:10:35.480 normalize having a relationship with someone that's underage and acting 2:10:35.560 --> 2:10:39.080 like that is consensual, Like that's assault. And I feel 2:10:39.120 --> 2:10:42.200 like the not to get too political, but the the 2:10:42.360 --> 2:10:45.600 right has been co opting the term grooming for a 2:10:45.640 --> 2:10:48.320 long time, aiming at at like drag queens and trans 2:10:48.320 --> 2:10:50.240 people and people that it has nothing to do with. 2:10:50.360 --> 2:10:52.600 But grooming is a very real thing, and so we'd 2:10:52.640 --> 2:10:55.880 like to point you to an article on the Rape, 2:10:55.920 --> 2:10:59.400 Abuse and Incest National Network which it goes by RAIN. 2:11:00.240 --> 2:11:02.520 On their website, they have an article called Grooming Know 2:11:02.600 --> 2:11:04.920 the Warning Signs and this is a helpful resource to 2:11:04.960 --> 2:11:08.880 protect your children from potential groomers by identifying the recognizable 2:11:08.880 --> 2:11:12.400 patterns that grooming often follows. It also touches upon the 2:11:12.400 --> 2:11:15.600 potential threat of online grooming and so for more information 2:11:15.640 --> 2:11:17.680 head over to RAIN dot org and that will be 2:11:17.720 --> 2:11:20.960 linked in our show notes and as always, it will 2:11:20.960 --> 2:11:23.520 be in a story that we post the day this 2:11:23.600 --> 2:11:26.320 episode comes out, which will be saved in our WWSPD 2:11:26.440 --> 2:11:28.680 Highlight where you can find all of our past what 2:11:28.680 --> 2:11:34.400 would Sister peg Do's and yeah can see if you're 2:11:35.000 --> 2:11:37.200 anyone in your kid's life is sting to do something 2:11:37.880 --> 2:11:38.800 not good. 2:11:39.480 --> 2:11:42.360 And next week, I don't want to say it, we'll 2:11:42.400 --> 2:11:46.280 be doing an episode in Loco Parentis from season nineteen, 2:11:46.560 --> 2:11:47.680 episode fifteen. 2:11:48.200 --> 2:11:54.320 Fuck you, Warren Light, watch it, Watch it, guys, come on, 2:11:54.600 --> 2:11:57.040 but also Warren Light, come on the pod. 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