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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 2: name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined with our guest super producer,

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Speaker 3: Max freight Train Williams. Most importantly, you are here, and

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Speaker 3: that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know,

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Speaker 3: live and direct with the audience of four.

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Speaker 4: Sure, you guys maybe don't even know this. We don't

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Speaker 4: talk about it that often. But for the last handful

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Speaker 4: of years, I guess since a certain weirdo event happened

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Speaker 4: in the news, you might have noticed we've been recording

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Speaker 4: in our separate domiciles, and today we're not. For I

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Speaker 4: think the first time in a long.

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Speaker 2: Time, we got one or two in person episodes done

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Speaker 2: at hotel rooms.

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Speaker 4: That's true, that's right, That's its own weird kind of

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Speaker 4: situation though. Right we are now today though, coming to

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Speaker 4: you from our state of the art new facilities, yeah,

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Speaker 4: our radio podcast studios.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: To paint the picture for you conspiracy realists. Uh, there

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Speaker 3: is what I consider an egregious amount of sunshine coming

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Speaker 3: through the windows. Were so we've got some work to do,

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Speaker 3: and it was just like preparing to launch a spaceship.

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Speaker 3: Max and Matt and Nol and I and our pal Tyler.

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Speaker 3: We're coming through and like fixing, double checking different technical aspects.

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Speaker 3: We figured it out. We're here for you. We have also,

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Speaker 3: I would argue, over the years we have been in

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Speaker 3: so many crazy situations we have had kind of an

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Speaker 3: education via experience and education via fire, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, Like you said, Matt, recording in hotel rooms,

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Speaker 3: you know, knunkers, Yeah, bunkers, Noel, you were getting under

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Speaker 3: the table and we're trying to figure out power and

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Speaker 3: amp age and dreaming.

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Speaker 4: I was under that table and dreaming.

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Speaker 3: Did mention? Yeah, And this is like our education that

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Speaker 3: we have received here is not institutionalized, right, It's stuff

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Speaker 3: you're doing. Yeah, it's stuff where we have we have

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Speaker 3: had education by mistakes. Like it's it's weird to say

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Speaker 3: it now, but at this point in the life of

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Speaker 3: this show, when people are starting their own shows and

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Speaker 3: they're asking us questions, we can actually answer a lot

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Speaker 3: of them because if there's a wrong answer, we did

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Speaker 3: it already.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but there was a path in a weird

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Speaker 2: way for us right right like in this studio, right

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Speaker 2: outside the door, there's a huge picture of our podcast

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Speaker 2: logo and it's right next to the face of Ron Burgundy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's weird.

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Speaker 4: It's very weird.

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Speaker 3: That's not even his real name.

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Speaker 4: Did you guys know what I've found out the other day?

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Speaker 2: But I guess what I'm saying is we've we've learned

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Speaker 2: has been a pathway for us to get to where

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Speaker 2: we are right now. And it was I don't know

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Speaker 3: It's kind of ad hoc.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I used to maybe ex sell myself short and say, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: as I've gotten older, it's like, no, whether I knew

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Speaker 4: but it's the kind of thing you don't see until

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, you could always see the trees better in retrospect, right,

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Speaker 3: And we all came to this through different ways. I

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Speaker 3: of course made an infernal covenant that will have consequences

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Speaker 3: down the road. We are fans of school. I think

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm a fan of There was a period of

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Speaker 4: I mean there was a time I went to a

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Speaker 5: And I did not do. I did not take well

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. I love things like

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Speaker 3: I think you make very good distinction between learning versus

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Speaker 3: This one size fits all approach to teaching leaves some

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Speaker 3: vital for a society to continue. That's why education is

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Speaker 3: always an ideological battleground. You know, what we're taught, how

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Speaker 3: the subjects of numerous conspiracies across decades, centuries, millennia probably,

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Speaker 3: and tonight we're diving deep into a strange claim about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is a very interesting question, and

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Speaker 4: it goes into things I think that we've all experienced,

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Speaker 3: Or magnet schools like I was. This is a true story.

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Speaker 3: I don't talk about it often. I had off the

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. I was also, I mean, I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: But it's interesting the history of public education in the

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Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder if you break down the Prussia

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Speaker 2: But maybe that's my preconceived notions, right, Yeah, the idea

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the if you live in the kind of world

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Speaker 3: It's a fact a lot of folks don't know Prussia.

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Speaker 3: that the Boston Latin School was not Prussian at all.

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Speaker 3: The Boston Latin School was pay to play. It's older

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Speaker 3: This is also in Massachusetts. And this is a big

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Speaker 6: But literally I think I like making barrel because they

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Speaker 2: And is the Mather School really named after Cotton Mather,

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's named after Richard Mather, oh okay, but still

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Speaker 3: Richard Mather was the grandfather of Cotton Mather, okay, and

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Speaker 3: because otherwise they would just say, you know, get back

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Speaker 2: the earliest forms of this. Let's talk about why the

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Speaker 2: why were they more forward with this.

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Speaker 4: I think it has to do with the Reformation, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Because they had to be able to spread words said

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Speaker 4: Reformation with like treatism what.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea is that we don't need we don't

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Speaker 3: Oh, like the like the Hope Scholarship here in Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about curriculum, because what what are as

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Speaker 3: History study of the classics the time of the classical education, right,

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Speaker 3: Oh? H cathlic School as bitter as Roman rule.

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Speaker 3: I had to do some programs at some Catholic schools,

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Speaker 4: They're also private schools typically, so they're being funded by

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Speaker 4: Sort of a bootstrap philosophy.

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Speaker 2: But it is important to note while we are these

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Speaker 4: Right, not even to mentioned state by state, school district

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Speaker 2: This guy right here, yep, Hey, no, I'm not doing anything.

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Speaker 4: It's messed up.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's wild that a place geographically, you know,

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Speaker 4: And he's fallen.

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Speaker 2: It's just for you right now.

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Speaker 3: Also, so it makes no I don't know about you,

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Speaker 4: I mean, people behind the garten, we don't actually get

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Speaker 3: It's Max, It's live. Yes, so uh so, yeah, this

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Speaker 3: someone say, well, uh, we make doorknobs here. So I

439
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Speaker 3: hope you like doorknobs, because that, Josiah is the rest

440
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: of your life. Like it's it's better than that. You

441
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Speaker 3: can you can be something different. You have power, unless

442
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: that is, there's a conspiracy afoot. What if the goal

443
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Speaker 3: of public education isn't to make new doctors and power engineers, teachers,

444
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 3: astronauts and so on? What if it was primarily built

445
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 3: to ensure a steady stream of docile, hopeless factory drones.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy. Okay, there's this quote. Have

448
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Speaker 3: you guys seen this quote before from It's often attributed

449
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Speaker 3: to legendary pill John D. Rockefeller Old JD R.

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Speaker 4: Notorious Pill. Yeah you're talking about I don't want a

451
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 4: nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers.

452
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I can also see.

453
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Speaker 4: It like inscribed and in some sort of creepy statue

454
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Speaker 4: of Rockefeller, like in like the disto being you know,

455
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Speaker 4: socialist version of our world.

456
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Speaker 3: You know, like what I could see it too if

457
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Speaker 3: you if you've ever been in kind of a very

458
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: posh environment, you get those clues that you're hanging out

459
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Speaker 3: with the one percenters. I could a you totally like

460
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Speaker 3: you're in the Skull and Bones hangout, or you go

461
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: to a soiree and then they've got they've got a

462
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Speaker 3: big picture of Rockefeller, right, and then maybe there's a

463
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Speaker 3: bunch of like he's standing on a bunch of poor people.

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Speaker 4: Right, or at the very least there's just like a

465
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Speaker 4: throng of like faceless you know, multitudes assembled. I mean, listen,

466
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Speaker 4: this is all a product of capitalism. I mean everyone

467
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Speaker 4: can't be John D. Rockefeller. There can only be a handful.

468
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: You know. It's like highlander rules and.

469
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Speaker 3: That guy's monomaniacal issues.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, well for sure.

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Speaker 2: But the big question is did he actually say it,

472
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Speaker 2: and why did he say it? And and what did

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Speaker 2: he mean right, and what consequences were therefore that sentiment.

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Speaker 4: Frankly, whether he said it or not, the sentiment clearly

475
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: holds true.

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Speaker 2: It feels like and we're gonna get into it, right,

477
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Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna go through that. But I want

478
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: to posit here, guys, what is better, literally seriously on

479
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: the level, a nation of thinkers or a nation of doers.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a valid argument. I had some I

481
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 3: had some changes of heart well working on this too.

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Speaker 4: They're also not mutually exclusive, I agree, I agree.

483
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Speaker 3: Just think about what you're doing once.

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Speaker 2: You once you get to think, ye, sometimes you don't

485
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Speaker 2: want a dewey you know what I mean. You're like, oh,

486
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Speaker 2: but I'm thinking too, Hi, I'm just I'm interested in this.

487
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Speaker 2: I think it's more nuanced than this is bad.

488
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Speaker 4: Right.

489
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: It's like the like I knew a guy who could

490
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: speak seven languages but couldn't figure out how to write

491
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 3: an ass as a donkey as it a dog, dirty

492
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Speaker 3: dirty boys.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry people don't call it that anymore, but that's

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Speaker 4: the quote. It's a quote. You said it as though

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Speaker 4: you were just saying that.

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Speaker 3: Let me get.

497
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Speaker 7: I love it.

498
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Speaker 3: I love it, boy.

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Speaker 4: No, but this is very very important, important, and I

500
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Speaker 4: think what we'll get to this as well. It is

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Speaker 4: nuanced because you know, There are plenty of dewey thinkers,

502
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: you know, yes, and of course plenty of thinky doers.

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Speaker 4: The question is like, what do we need in a

504
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Speaker 4: society that thrives on capitalism and year over year growth

505
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: that corporations depend on. We we really need there to

506
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Speaker 4: be a separation in a hierarchy and it behooves us

507
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Speaker 4: and by us. I'm I'm hypothetically being part of the

508
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 4: Rockefeller this Rockefeller class to you know, create this worker pool,

509
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 4: you know in other wise who's going to make our stuff?

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Speaker 3: This is okay, these are excellent points. This is the

511
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: root of the conspiracy. Back in nineteen oh three. This

512
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Speaker 3: is true. Rockefeller and his goons or is Co, whatever

513
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: you want to call them, they created something called the

514
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Speaker 3: General Education Board. What do we say about innocuous names?

515
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Speaker 2: They're perfect.

516
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Speaker 3: There's nothing to see here.

517
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Speaker 2: The call was perfect.

518
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: It was a perfect call, right, It was a perfect call.

519
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: GEB is an organization that's dedicated to quote, improving education

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00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: throughout the United States. And at first blush, this is

521
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: actually pretty progressive for the time. They say, look, we're

522
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Speaker 3: going to promote education within the USA without distinction of race, sex,

523
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Speaker 3: or creed.

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Speaker 4: Like the sound of that.

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00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like sci fi future talk to the

526
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Speaker 3: average person in nineteen oh three, almost as though it's

527
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Speaker 3: too good to be true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's weird because if it really is that

529
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Speaker 2: without distinction of race, sex, or creed. What happened during

530
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Speaker 2: the Civil Rights movement where stuff was all messed up?

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Speaker 3: Right, exactly what happened, what happened during the reconstruction period

532
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: post Civil War? You know the age of Jim Crow

533
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: and so on. Old Rocky put a lot who was

534
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: a notorious cheapskape. By the way, he put a lot

535
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Speaker 3: of money into this, and the statistics are nuts. In

536
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Speaker 3: nineteen oh three, he kicked off the General Education Board

537
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Speaker 3: with one million dollars.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen oh three. Do we have the calculator for that?

539
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: We do?

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Speaker 4: One gazillion dollars.

541
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Speaker 3: I mean pretty close. He just he just made it

542
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Speaker 3: rain with a thirty four point six million dollars in

543
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Speaker 3: today's money in twenty twenty three. Wow, that's nothing. That's

544
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: tiny beans.

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Speaker 2: That's tiny beans.

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Speaker 3: That's tiny beans for that's tiny beans rolled Rocky Old Rockefeller.

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Speaker 4: Again, we're talking about the kind of wealth that you

548
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Speaker 4: can only accumulate when you're like the first one that

549
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Speaker 4: starts an entire industry, you know, like legacy money like that.

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00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 4: You can't even do that anymore. No, it's not even possible.

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Speaker 3: And again, pardon my friends. Here he was in crazy.

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00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: He we were talking about this off air. He had

553
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: a personal holiday that was more important than his birthday.

554
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: It was job day, he called it. It's the first

555
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Speaker 3: that it was hit the day of his first job. Wow,

556
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: he was like, he was like the main Oh, the

557
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Speaker 3: patriarch of secession was that Logan.

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00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Logan Roy and even then being a cheap skate,

559
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Speaker 4: very very monomaniacal.

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Speaker 3: In just a few more years, by nineteen oh seven,

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Speaker 3: he had donated somewhere north of forty three million dollars

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Speaker 3: all to this organization. This is the mind blowing thing.

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00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: We do have inflation calculation for this.

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Speaker 2: Oh let's here we go, about forty three three million

565
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Speaker 2: in nineteen oh seven dollars is one point three nine

566
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Speaker 2: six billion dollars insane. That's crazy to public education.

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Speaker 3: Well, shit education, specifically to this one pet project. That's crazy.

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00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: Imagine you don't even really see that anymore. Right to

569
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Speaker 3: the point about like this guy has wealth that can

570
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Speaker 3: break the system. It's like at the he is like

571
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: the uh person at the end of an RPG that

572
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: doesn't doesn't ever really stop, you know, like when you're

573
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: done with Skyrim and you've got everything and you've just

574
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: sort of broken the game and you walk around. He

575
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: has broken the game. He's walking around god mode. He's

576
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: on cod mode. Yes, just so. And at the time,

577
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Speaker 3: this forty three million dollars was the largest gift to

578
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Speaker 3: any philanthropic organization in the entire history of the US.

579
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Speaker 3: You can go to the official Rockefeller site and they

580
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: will they will tout and trumpet his activities there. But

581
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: the GB was pro education and they were also they

582
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Speaker 3: were also pretty.

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Speaker 2: I spy Jonathan Strickland walking by. Oh no, he can't

584
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Speaker 2: go that way.

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Speaker 4: That's blocked.

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00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, there is, let's keep that part in the windows.

587
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: Is interesting. So this okay, So the GB is pro education,

588
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: but they also have very specific ideas about who should

589
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Speaker 3: learn what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because there's no distinction between race, sex, or creed. Right, so.

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Speaker 3: There might be let's call it discrimination based on location. Ah,

592
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Speaker 3: they work in the South, right, and they work in

593
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Speaker 3: the South. They work all over the US, but extensively

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Speaker 3: in the South until nineteen sixty four, and they got

595
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Speaker 3: a reputation for consistently pushing poor and minority students away

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Speaker 3: from college and saying, Okay, who wants who wants to

597
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Speaker 3: be a philosopher? Your town already has a doctor, you

598
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: know what I mean? What we need is somebody to

599
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Speaker 3: take care of all these peaches or all this cotton.

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Speaker 2: And I could see that maintenance, like vocational stuff is

601
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Speaker 2: pushed really hard.

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00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: Right, we need a car, we need a mechanic.

603
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, geez.

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Speaker 3: So that's what they would do, even if kids are like, hey,

605
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Speaker 3: I'm very good at math, or hey, I have such

606
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: a knack for languages, like, well, you know, plumbing is

607
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: kind of like a language.

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00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: I bet you could build signs real good.

609
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And so we got to go to a

610
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: great paper by these two authors, Luise Fleming and Rita Saslaw.

611
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 3: They have They wrote a pretty extensive examination of the

612
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: history of the GEB and well, let's just give people

613
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Speaker 3: a quote.

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Speaker 4: I guess the problem is not with opening doors to

615
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Speaker 4: poor children, as the philanthropists viewed their donations, but with

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Speaker 4: closing doors to any other area a student might choose

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00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: to pursue. It is with the belief that a student's

618
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 4: lot was known and that they're the future.

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Speaker 2: Lay wow, Wow, it's mmm. We've seen that in depictions

620
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: of kind of post apocalyptic slash post utopian stories, right

621
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Speaker 2: where everybody's future is laid out for them the moment

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Speaker 2: they're born, or even before they're born. Oh sure, all

623
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Speaker 2: of that kind of thing.

624
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Speaker 3: Logan's run.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

626
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's weird to imagine that it was an it

627
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: was attempted even back then. Oh from nineteen was it

628
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: nineteen oh four or nineteen oh three to nineteen sixty four?

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Speaker 3: Wow, Which means there are people listening today who are

630
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: alive when the GEB was still active, and the consequences

631
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Speaker 3: of this thing carry on the Okay, the quote itself,

632
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: so sometimes people are worried about the wrong thing. The

633
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 3: quote itself doesn't really show up until much later. There's

634
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: a great Snops article you can read that dives into this,

635
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: the idea that I don't want a nation of thinkers

636
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: and want a nation of workers. It appears earliest in

637
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: a documentary in two thousand and six what Yeah called

638
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: One Nation under Siege, which is sort of a mixtape

639
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: of different conspiracy theories. You can't find John Rockefeller actually

640
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: saying this. You can find people saying that he said it,

641
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: which is not the same thing. But we did find

642
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: something a little bit more creepy. Regardless of what John said.

643
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: He had a lot of advisors, and one of them

644
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: said something not just similar, but way more detailed and

645
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: way more disturbing. In a book called The Country School

646
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: of Tomorrow, a Rockefeller advisor named Frederick Taylor Gates, who

647
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: is a grand Pooba in the gb He in this

648
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: book from nineteen sixteen says, the following is hard on

649
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: the paint and the class system stuff. Here the conspiratorial

650
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: aspect is readily apparent. It's a long quote, but I

651
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: think we should do the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: We shall not try to make these people, or any

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Speaker 2: of their children into philosophers or men of learning, or

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Speaker 2: men of science. We have not to raise up from

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Speaker 2: among them authors, editors, poets, or men of letters. We

656
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Speaker 2: shall not search for. This is an ellipses within the

657
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: quote great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians,

658
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: states men of whom we may have an ample supply.

659
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 7: The task we said before ourselves is very simple, as

660
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 7: well as a very beautiful one, to train these people

661
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 7: as we find them to a perfectly ideal.

662
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: Life just where they are. So we will organize our

663
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: children into little community and teach them to do in

664
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Speaker 4: a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are

665
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: doing in an imperfect way in the homes, in the shops,

666
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: and on the farm.

667
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 3: We're gonna make better slaves, guys, that's what he say.

668
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: He's like, Johnny, I got a hot pitch for you.

669
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: All I need is like forty four million dollars, and

670
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna have the best prolls ever, you know, And

671
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 3: is before the use of the word prole like that.

672
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: Why is it that I picture a delightful pastry when

673
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 4: you say prolls, I'm thinking of perfiderals.

674
00:38:54,120 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: Sorry, that's different. That's different. Yeah, perfiderals, they're the proletariative pastries.

675
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: From Pfizer.

676
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 3: Is silent. So it does sound like it though, right.

677
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: It sounds like he's saying, we want more perfect workers

678
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: in the bottom of society, in our class system, and

679
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: there's not room at the top for everyone. Yeah.

680
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: We He literally says, we don't need to make any

681
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: of these things out of anybody that we're going to

682
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: be working.

683
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: With you because those politicians, doctors, engineers, and so on,

684
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: their jobs are going to go to their kids.

685
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 2: Of course, we're going to make them at Hoffin.

686
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 3: Right, exactly, legacy students. What could go wrong?

687
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: Uh?

688
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: And if if there are any legacy students in the

689
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: crowd today hearing this no offense to you as a person,

690
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: but as a piece of the system, that is intensely problematic.

691
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: Oh so, anyway, but so this guy is one of

692
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: the dudes who makes the geb Rockefeller may not have

693
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: said a specific quote, but he certainly was ten toes

694
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: down with the idea of more perfect slaves.

695
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: It feels that way.

696
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 4: A more perfect union for more perfect slaves.

697
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: You know, maybe we should change the title slave by

698
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Speaker 3: any other name.

699
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 4: You know, it's still still a slave. I mean again,

700
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 4: all this goes into the idea of prison labor, you

701
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Or it doesn't go into it, but it's.

702
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: A similar it does.

703
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 4: It's a similar philosophical loophole. Right on paper, these aren't

704
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 4: slaves or in gentured servants or the bad things from

705
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 4: history's past. But functionally, yeah, pretty much the same.

706
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the GB in specific, focusing on what we

707
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: can prove it was created to propagate what they thought

708
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: of as lower class workers. And as you know on

709
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: this show, folks, we are huge fans of the trades.

710
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 3: More people in the US should be pursuing the trades.

711
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: College has often in recent decades been sold as a

712
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: kind of bait and switch, and it put a lot

713
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: of people in debt, right, And I think that was

714
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: a feature for the villains in charge of it, not

715
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: a bug. So there there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying, hey,

716
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to become an expert in this technical field.

717
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But the GEB folks

718
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: were incredibly condescending about this, and they did think that

719
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: folks who went to public school were beneath them. It

720
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: is painfully obvious.

721
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 4: What does GEB stand for? Again, generalized educational board board?

722
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 4: Is it in any way related to the idea of

723
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 4: a GED like how you can kind of get your

724
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 4: high school equivalent general equivalency? Is it that these stands for? Okay, yes,

725
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 4: I know they're not related, but it does occur to

726
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 4: me that that being a thing, a lot of people

727
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: will do that so they can go ahead and start

728
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 4: working on the factories quicker, right, or you can get

729
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: it like in prison.

730
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: That's all. Or your family is under dire circumstances. They

731
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: need to get at your problem. Yes, I think we

732
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: all know folks like that. But regardless, the geb accomplish

733
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: their mission with great effect, and there are intergenerational consequences

734
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: of this that echo into the modern day. You might

735
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: be saying, wait, what about Prussia. That's not all. As

736
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: Billy Mays was wont to say, there's much more to

737
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: the story. We're going to take a break and hope

738
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: the Rockefellers let us finish the episode we returned, all right.

739
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: There are other education conspiracies and they build towards this

740
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: same argument. There's an economist, a professor out of the

741
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: Northwestern University named Joel Mochier I believe I'm pronounced correctly,

742
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: who says these things are real. They're called factory schools,

743
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: and the idea is not American. It's not from the Geb.

744
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: It is from Prussia. In the early nineteenth century, the

745
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds of Prussia, education was for the first time

746
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: provided by the state, and learning was kind of regimented,

747
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 3: kind of militarized, so you be grouped by age.

748
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: I mean that makes sense, that sounds like what I

749
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: know of education.

750
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: Right, because we were all taught with this kind of

751
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: Prussian method. It was impersonal, it's efficient, it's standardized. It's

752
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: the fast food approach to education.

753
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, every child, when you are this age, you will

754
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: learn these things. And once you have graduated in revolutions

755
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: around the sun, you can now read and learn these things.

756
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: Makes sense to.

757
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: Me, Yeah, exactly, and now we have Now we have

758
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 3: what leaders of a society always want, consistency and predictability. Right,

759
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: the following you know, citizen A nine five will matriculate

760
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: at this age. They will leave school at this age,

761
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: and when they leave school, they will know the following things,

762
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: which makes them suitable for the following professions.

763
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Speaker 8: Yay.

764
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 3: Now, what does the child want to do doesn't matter,

765
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: does not matter, because if they're smart and if they're

766
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: educated correctly, what they'll want to do is what we

767
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: want them to do. Weird, it's a syop.

768
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: It's so strange to me because I, well, we know this,

769
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 2: We've talked about this in the past. The United States

770
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: went through this kind of strange transformation in the times

771
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: of Cable, where the wants the wants, not the needs

772
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: of children became paramount for advertising agencies for much of

773
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: you know, the money that this country made by corporations

774
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: existing within it selling services and goods to children, And I,

775
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, the there's something, there's something speaking to

776
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: me from that. It's like it doesn't really oh god,

777
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to say it, like doesn't

778
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: even really matter what the child wants necessarily when you're

779
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: thinking about it from this institutional thing, it's more like

780
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: what is the child excelling at? What is the child

781
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: good at? Like? What what are the strengths? I don't know,

782
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: does that make sense or I don't know.

783
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: You know, they're within public schools. There are things like

784
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: gifted programs stuff like that, and program medial programs, and

785
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: sometimes you are forced to be in remedial programs if

786
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: you are not excelling in certain things. And obviously grades

787
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 4: in and of themselves are a test of your aptitude

788
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: as to whether you're any good at something or not.

789
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: But you also, I mean I say this from experience,

790
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: you have to get your kid tested to see if

791
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 4: they qualify for a gifted program, and you have to

792
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: make an effort to even care enough to put them

793
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: into it. No one's just gonna like come and take

794
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: you under their wing, you know, and put you in

795
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 4: the gifted program. It's something that the parents have to

796
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 4: be cognizant of and be aware of and then also

797
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 4: make some outside efforts to get their kid in that track.

798
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a thing.

799
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: It definitely is. It definitely is a thing. And again

800
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: it's an imperfect system. But to your point mat about

801
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: the advertising reaching through children, I I gotta send you

802
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: this compilation of all those creepy at very blatant advertisements

803
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: from the beginning of that era, where it's stuff like

804
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: don't wait kids, ron didn't tell your parents and buy

805
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: Kellogg's as best as flakes.

806
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know, and I'm sorry to make that

807
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: weird point. I don't know. Often I feel like some

808
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: of my thinking is just silly and old school. But

809
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: I want versus need, I think is an important thing

810
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: when it comes to building. Sure, again, a country, an industry,

811
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: a nation, or whatever you want to call it.

812
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: Like building a child is building the country. Yeah, that's

813
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 3: exactly what it is. They're the foundation of a continuing civilization.

814
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: So that is why the powerful will always focus on

815
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: the children, sometimes with sincerity, often with ulterior motives, like

816
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: in this case the economists that we mentioned there. Doctor

817
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: Moykure says, much of the education kids were receiving in

818
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: these Prussian schools, it wasn't technical in nature, it was

819
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: social and moral and it's because of the Industrial Revolution.

820
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: This is what happened. Said. Workers had always spent their

821
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: days in a domestic setting. You know, you're an artisan,

822
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: you're a farmer, you work out of your cottage. They

823
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: had to be taught to follow orders to get into

824
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 3: this kind of regimented hierarchy because unless you were in

825
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: a military or the clergy, you would have never had

826
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: that experience. And says then they had to be punctual,

827
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: they had to be sober, they had to be docile,

828
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: and the early industrial capitalist spent a huge amount of

829
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: time socially conditioning their labor forces. Sunday schools. They were

830
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: reaching people through Sunday school They were reaching children, right,

831
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: and they wanted to make the workers more knowligeable, you

832
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 3: could say, more receptive to incentives.

833
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: And that really checks out Ben, it does. I'm thinking

834
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: about my son going through public school system. I'm thinking

835
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: about my public school like early early right when when

836
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 2: we're really focused on learning the pledge, learning to sit down,

837
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: the hand gesture or some vocalization that means every kid

838
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: has to sit down and be quiet, or I think

839
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: it's still used those kinds of things. And it's also

840
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: that there's a task master, a teacher, you know, a foreman,

841
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 2: whatever it is going to be, can say advocate any

842
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: position that any of us find ourselves in.

843
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 4: We're going to have to be beholden to somebody. So

844
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: I mean.

845
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 3: School is just.

846
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 4: That means anything I say after this you don't have

847
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: to take me serious. No, I mean school is intended

848
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 4: to socialize us in a way where we do realize.

849
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: I always tell my kid, like school, you just have

850
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 4: to get through it, even though it sucks, because it's

851
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 4: teaching you. It's a it's a model situation where you

852
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 4: have to learn that everything isn't about you, and then

853
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 4: you do have to think about what is the bigger picture,

854
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 4: you know, and you have to also learn how to

855
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 4: play the damn game.

856
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: You have to learn to collaborate with people like one

857
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 3: of the This is something they don't talk about a lot.

858
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 3: But if you want to indoctrinate people, the biggest thing

859
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: you do is get them to perform series of ritualized

860
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 3: vocalizations and physical movements in sync.

861
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 8: It's so singing the alphabet s T d wyd s

862
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 8: g d w I T k oh god, not a lot.

863
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: So, I mean that's true, that's that's how you create

864
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 3: these behaviors. And this is the thing. Okay, this is insidious,

865
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: it's not great, but it's kind of necessary in the

866
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 3: Industrial Revolution. I mean a lot of folks like if

867
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: to the point about authorities, if you took orders from

868
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: someone in your typical job before the Industrial Revolution and

869
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: you weren't in the military or the clergy, the person

870
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Speaker 3: giving you the orders was like, your dad, you're your dominatrix. Yes,

871
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: very common in agrarian society, the dad or the domb right,

872
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 3: which is a famous Chaucer book. So the so for

873
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: a lot of folks, the idea of going to this

874
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: factory and working and taking orders from somebody who isn't

875
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: even related to them is emasculating and humiliating. They're like,

876
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: you're not my dad, you're not even a priest.

877
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: Or the king.

878
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not the king. What are you like the

879
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 3: king of the lace makers? Get out of here.

880
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: Jeez, that's weird. To think about. It's true.

881
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 4: As problematic as some of this stuff is, I do

882
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 4: think it is interesting how we've moved so far away

883
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 4: from like the apprentice kind of program, and which I

884
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 4: would argue is actually really good. Like if you want

885
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 4: to become an expert at something, you need to work

886
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 4: under someone who has actual experience, and nowadays it's like

887
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 4: everything's so free wheeling you kind of you want to

888
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 4: figure out how to do something, you just look it

889
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: up on YouTube and you can kind of figure it

890
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 4: out yourself. I think, honestly, college is going to become

891
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 4: less and less relevant as history goes on.

892
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: You know, well, I think the things that make college

893
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: or university relevant may shift. That's right, because the I mean,

894
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 3: the one of the big points of going to an

895
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 3: IVY League school is not so much the education you

896
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: receive and as the as the tribalism of it. Right,

897
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 3: And you can look at numerous studies that show matriculation

898
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 3: in those in those societies does not equate to higher

899
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: performance unfortunately. And that might be an episode for another day,

900
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: but to this point, you know, there are still like

901
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: anybody listening is in the trades now, there are still

902
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: these really robust apprenticeship systems that work really well. They

903
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: just take a long time. You become a journeyman electrician

904
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 3: or whatever.

905
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: So that's okay, maybe I see I retract my previous statement.

906
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 4: I guess I just it doesn't seem like it's as

907
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 4: out in the open or as like part of the

908
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 4: general its system.

909
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, it's not as publicized or prioritized or normalized.

910
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: So okay. The question is, though they had to do this,

911
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 3: like this is kind of hacking or bootstrapping, as we

912
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: said earlier, a huge social shift from agrarian, rural agricultural

913
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 3: economies to having people work in industry in factories. The

914
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 3: factory suck, by the way. The conditions are just terrible.

915
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 4: And what we haven't even gotten to reform of those

916
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 4: types yet, right, People are still losing fingers and limbs.

917
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they're getting the crap beat out of

918
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 3: them and stuff.

919
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: And kids are working.

920
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: Children are working there, you know, because they can get

921
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: in smaller spaces. Everybody's got black long slight diversion.

922
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 4: But my dear friend, I think you guys both know

923
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 4: Peyton friend of the show, he pointed out to me,

924
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 4: sort of a modern he's concerned about a modern kind

925
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 4: of callback to this or he said he saw some

926
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 4: shockingly young kids in New York City doing uber eats

927
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: deliveries on bicycles.

928
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: I mean child labor. You know, there was a meat

929
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: eat packing interests that got just got caught with child labor.

930
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 3: Child labor is coming back. That's what's happened, right, and

931
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 3: like how education may be returning to some more to

932
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: some darker days. There was this thing in Quzi, an

933
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: author named Alison Schrager who said that the fat cats

934
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 3: of the industrial Revolution in Europe, they made the John

935
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: Rockefeller decision. It sounds weird for big time investors and

936
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: capitalists to do this, but those factory owners were the

937
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 3: biggest champions for the Elementary Education Act of eighteen seventy

938
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: and that's what made education universally free and available in England.

939
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: So for some reason, people who ordinarily are very not

940
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 3: philanthropic doubled down on a way to get to your

941
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: kids and a way to frame how your children see

942
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: the world. We don't know, You're right, yeah, and it

943
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: is thought control. And this Prussian style approach made its

944
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 3: way to the US thanks to a guy named horus

945
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: Man out in Massachusetts. The rest is history. Let it's

946
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: also the present day, it's also the future. I think

947
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: conspiracy is real. It's very much real, even if it

948
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: was necessary. And a lot of those quiet state by

949
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 3: state decisions here in the United States about what can

950
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 3: and cannot be taught, they hinge on ulterior motives, They

951
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: hinge on stuff they don't want you to know.

952
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: It really does just make me think about what of

953
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 2: my base, my baseline reactions to things have been honed

954
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 2: by me going through that educational system.

955
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 3: Right the idea of what constant it's a full workday

956
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: is one.

957
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just little things that I can't it's not

958
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: possible for me to even recognize in a day to

959
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: day life. You'd have to live in a different culture

960
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: or yeh see it, or literally have a sidewy side observe, like, oh,

961
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: your reaction to that is very similar to when you

962
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: were in kindergarten, and this.

963
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 3: You know exactly, and it's it's very tiny things. It's

964
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 3: also much larger things. And I you know, obviously this

965
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: is not to denigrate teachers. We're no fans of education.

966
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 3: This is not to take it to take pot shots

967
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: at anybody, but uh, well, John Rockefeller, he deserves it.

968
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 3: And we know it went a little bit long with

969
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: this one, but it is a real conspiracy and we'd

970
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: love to hear your thoughts, folks. I mean also, i'd

971
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: love to hear how things are changing. I remember, I

972
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 3: can't remember who I was talking to. The friend of

973
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 3: mine who has a couple of kids, was telling me

974
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 3: the number one thing that kids want to be that

975
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 3: she sees our kids wanting to be influencers in like

976
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: middle school. They'll say, what do you want to be

977
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: when you grow up? Astronauts have taken a back seat

978
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 3: now it's now it's influencers.

979
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: Gotta blow up the main frames, guys.

980
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, how can we stop this?

981
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 9: Right?

982
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: Somebody listening knows how to blow up the mainframes.

983
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, So we thank you as always for tuning in.

984
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: Fellow conspiracy realists. We cannot wait to hear your thoughts,

985
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: your approaches to education, what you think about these conspiracies.

986
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 3: While that John Rockefeller quote may not be exactly what

987
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: he said, it is very close to what he thought.

988
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: It was.

989
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: Frederick's quote, not me right.

990
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: Right different Frederick, and they were very much think ye doers.

991
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: So let us know your thoughts. Promise, it's just gonna

992
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,920
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993
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,760
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994
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:04,120
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995
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,560
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996
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,200
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997
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,880
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998
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:26,120
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999
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,440
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1000
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,160
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1001
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,120
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1002
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,800
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1003
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1004
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1005
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1006
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:46,520
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1007
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,280
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1008
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1009
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