Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social
Speaker 1: Distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford.
Speaker 1: He is my trusted colleague West Hodkowits coming to you
Speaker 1: from our humble abodes. As we've done and West, we've
Speaker 1: switched up the schedule a little bit. Now that the
Speaker 1: draft is done, the schedule is out for we're cutting
Speaker 1: back here to maybe one episode a week for the
Speaker 1: time being. So you okay with that, my friend? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm totally okay with it, Mike, because this is typically
Speaker 1: what we ended up doing once we get into the
Speaker 1: o t A schedule anyway. You know, there's only so
Speaker 1: many days availability. Now there's no availability. So here we are.
Speaker 1: I did get a kick out of your intro. Your
Speaker 1: intro though, and you're right, this is social Distancing Style.
Speaker 1: I feel like when we get back in the studio,
Speaker 1: it's good enough feeling like we should be like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is our studio style. I mean like it's almost
Speaker 1: like this is gonna end up becoming common place for us.
Speaker 1: But be that as it may, we persevere, we press on,
Speaker 1: and we got some cool draft picks to discuss here
Speaker 1: on today's show. Yeah, well, hopefully we don't have to
Speaker 1: put up like a plexiglass thing between the two of
Speaker 1: us when we get back in the studio. That would
Speaker 1: be that'd be a little awkward. But anyway, yes, you
Speaker 1: said it. We're gonna talk about some of the Packers
Speaker 1: draft picks because since the draft, you and I have
Speaker 1: been getting in touch with uh past connections to the
Speaker 1: Packers draft picks, a lot of college coaches other folks
Speaker 1: like that and posting some stories on the website, So
Speaker 1: UH for fans who want to UH to check those
Speaker 1: out by all means do And I think the fun
Speaker 1: thing with this for US West when we get into
Speaker 1: these conversations with college coaches and others, you get the
Speaker 1: little anecdotes, the little stories that maybe haven't been told necessarily.
Speaker 1: You get a little bit of a peek into these guys.
Speaker 1: And I'll start with one because um Kamal Martin, the
Speaker 1: fifth round linebacker the Packers drafted out of Minnesota. He's
Speaker 1: one of these guys, you know, unfortunate and to his
Speaker 1: college career because he played a stretch of his senior
Speaker 1: year trying to battle through a knee injury, gutting it out,
Speaker 1: doing what he could eventually it got aggravated to the
Speaker 1: point where he had to be shut down and he
Speaker 1: had to have surgery on it. Now not a full
Speaker 1: reconstructive surgery or anything, but he had to have a
Speaker 1: procedure done. So he's and this is the story I
Speaker 1: got from Minnesota's defensive coordinator and linebackers coach Joe Rossi.
Speaker 1: So the Gophers are down in Tampa, Florida to play
Speaker 1: the Outback Bowl, and but Martin, who had just had
Speaker 1: his surgery, he has to recover at home. He can't
Speaker 1: travel with the team, so he's sitting on his couch
Speaker 1: back at home watching the game, cheering on his his Gophers,
Speaker 1: and everything. Well, Minnesota pulls out this really exciting win,
Speaker 1: a big uplifting wind for their program. If you remember,
Speaker 1: they were on the verge of potentially getting to the
Speaker 1: Big Ten championship game before Wisconsin knocked them off at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, and then Wisconsin ended up
Speaker 1: advancing to that ofference title game, but nonetheless a January
Speaker 1: first bowl game, the Outback Bowl, big big victory. So
Speaker 1: Joe Rossi, the defensive coordinator, as everybody is running to
Speaker 1: the middle of the field and celebrating, and the Gophers
Speaker 1: are celebrating this big victory. He facetimes Martin gets him
Speaker 1: on his couch and basically makes him like part of
Speaker 1: the celebration in Tampa, passing the phone around to like
Speaker 1: all the rest of the guys. I just I thought
Speaker 1: it was a great story. But and it's an illustration
Speaker 1: of what senior leaders mean to team, to their teammates,
Speaker 1: to a program. I thought that was the type of
Speaker 1: story that really illustrated what Kamal Martin meant to the
Speaker 1: rise of the Minnesota Gophers program under p. J. Fleck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it's cool and it's a neat story. I
Speaker 1: hope people got a chance to check it out on
Speaker 1: Packers dot com if you hadn't go back and look
Speaker 1: at it, because the thing that I've been introduced to
Speaker 1: with Kamal Martin is just the character of this guy
Speaker 1: and also just the way that people seem to really
Speaker 1: gravitate towards him. I mean, he did a little video
Speaker 1: for our Packers social team, just kind of introducing himself
Speaker 1: to fans, and he sort of has this infectious enthusiasm
Speaker 1: about him. He has an interesting way that he's able
Speaker 1: to communicate in a very expression, Uh filled and in
Speaker 1: terms of his uh, you know, interpersonal skills. So that's
Speaker 1: really neat. But the thing that is cool about his
Speaker 1: story is and you you were actually the first one
Speaker 1: I think that asked him about this on the conference
Speaker 1: call when we first talked to him on draft night.
Speaker 1: You know, being a kid from Minnesota, he wanted to
Speaker 1: play for the Golfers, right, but as so often happens
Speaker 1: with a lot of these kids from the Midwest, you know,
Speaker 1: there's only so many Division one schools. Wisconsin only has
Speaker 1: one Minnesota, you know, certainly it's it's kind of the
Speaker 1: Gophers are bust out there, and he was pretty content
Speaker 1: to go to Eastern Michigan. He was gonna play quarterback.
Speaker 1: He eventually finds up and he finally impresses them. He
Speaker 1: gets that opportunity, and like, how many times have we
Speaker 1: heard this story where a guy a laid offer, a
Speaker 1: potential walk on, they come into a camp, they earn
Speaker 1: their keep, and then by their senior year they're featured player. There.
Speaker 1: The guy that's on FaceTime being passed around the team huddle,
Speaker 1: that's Kamal Martin. I think you got a good feel
Speaker 1: talking to his defensive coordinating his position coach of what
Speaker 1: exactly he meant to that team and why so many
Speaker 1: people feel like he'll be successful at the next level
Speaker 1: because of the way that he approaches this game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his desire to play for the Minnesota Gophers was high.
Speaker 1: He's from Burnsville, Minnesota, which is a suburb of the
Speaker 1: Twin Cities. He was an all state player, a two
Speaker 1: way player offense and defense. As you said, he was
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And Joe Rossi told me this wasn't just
Speaker 1: a high school athlete who was, you know, plugged in
Speaker 1: at quarterback because he was the best athlete on the team.
Speaker 1: He was a legitimate quarterback. And not just Eastern Michigan,
Speaker 1: but other MAX schools Mid American Conference schools were offering
Speaker 1: him as a quarterback and uh. But he went to
Speaker 1: a final summer football camp in Minneapolis, a Gophers football camp,
Speaker 1: and by the end of that they had worked him
Speaker 1: out on defense and uh, and they made him an offer.
Speaker 1: And so he he threw the whole quarterback future into
Speaker 1: the into the trash can, so to speak, and said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play linebacker for the University of Minnesota. And
Speaker 1: he couldn't be happier with how it worked out, unfortunately
Speaker 1: for him, wasn't able to play in that final bowl
Speaker 1: game for the Gophers. But moving on to the sixth round.
Speaker 1: Here three offensive lineman the Packers drafted in the sixth round,
Speaker 1: and you got a chance to talk with not only
Speaker 1: John Runyan Jr. From the University of Michigan, the Packers
Speaker 1: pick there, but also his father, John Runyan Sr. Who's
Speaker 1: got quite the pedigree as both a former National League
Speaker 1: Football player and a member of the United States House
Speaker 1: of Representatives. Now he's involved with the NFL at the
Speaker 1: league level when it comes to reviewing film and disciplinary
Speaker 1: issues and things like that. So, um, tell us your
Speaker 1: favorite anecdote that you got out of that that wonderful
Speaker 1: piece to put together on Packers dot Com on the runyons,
Speaker 1: be sure to check that one out, folks. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and certainly you had to edit it and go through
Speaker 1: all of it. There were so many stories and it
Speaker 1: could have been even longer than it was with with
Speaker 1: not only him, but also Gaven Fonte, who was his
Speaker 1: high school football coach. He's now actually at Temple. He
Speaker 1: ended up getting assistant job at Temple for all of
Speaker 1: his efforts and state championships and what he did at St. Joseph's.
Speaker 1: But the story that I think I liked the most
Speaker 1: was it had to been the Ohio State stories, so
Speaker 1: I knew it's great. I wish you would have had
Speaker 1: the photo. He doesn't have the photo anymore. But anyway,
Speaker 1: if you didn't read the story, basically St. Joseph's Prep,
Speaker 1: this was a it's a private school in North Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: The school where Runyan Jr. Was going to basically funnel
Speaker 1: into in their township didn't offer football. He at that
Speaker 1: point knew we wanted to play football. His mom ended
Speaker 1: up finding his mom. Lauretta found St. Joseph's Prep actually
Speaker 1: asked Gave and Fonte to come out and watch her
Speaker 1: son play to see if you know, potentially he could
Speaker 1: play for him. And by the way, he could. Uh.
Speaker 1: And every year they go out and they do different
Speaker 1: types of service events at different area colleges or you know,
Speaker 1: even traveling a little bit. So they went to Ohio
Speaker 1: State the football camp, get it's done, and all the
Speaker 1: kids who were volunteering their time, they're offered to take
Speaker 1: a photo with Urban Meyer, the then Buckeys coach, newly
Speaker 1: minted at that point. And if you know anything about
Speaker 1: the Runyan family. They are staunched Michiganders. I mean, they
Speaker 1: are mazing blue all the way. So John Junr. Does
Speaker 1: take his opportunity. He goes and he takes the photo
Speaker 1: with Urban Meyer, shakes his hand and is completely covered
Speaker 1: in Michigan year. It is a phenomenal portrait. Gavin Fonte
Speaker 1: was the one that told me that anecdote. At first,
Speaker 1: he was laughing about it as he mentioned it just
Speaker 1: a true testament not only to the Runyans and how
Speaker 1: much you know that that means to him, but also
Speaker 1: John Jr. And you know so many times you hear
Speaker 1: these stories, Mike, and and rightfully so. Kids look up
Speaker 1: to their father's I looked up obviously to mine. I
Speaker 1: know you do to yours. And it's understandable why John
Speaker 1: Junior would have been motivated to play football, But John Sr.
Speaker 1: Never made it about that if he if his kid
Speaker 1: wanted to go and become a businessman or just get
Speaker 1: out of sports altogether, would have been fine with that.
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter was is John Jr.
Speaker 1: Was around football as a young man. As a child,
Speaker 1: it got ingrained in him. He ended up becoming a
Speaker 1: pretty darn good offensive lineman. And while so many people
Speaker 1: may think that that last name, but what that carries
Speaker 1: a fifteen year pro, a Pro Bowl or a guy
Speaker 1: that was very notorious in his time for his physicality.
Speaker 1: John Jr. He has some of those traits, but he's
Speaker 1: not his father, and he came to terms with that
Speaker 1: very early on. And I think that explains why he's
Speaker 1: made it as far as he did and why he
Speaker 1: believes now at the next level he can thrive because
Speaker 1: he's not trying to live up to his dad's legacy.
Speaker 1: He's trying to create one of his own. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's certain. That's a that's a challenge for anybody in
Speaker 1: that spot. Um and not just the fact that his
Speaker 1: father played in the NFL, but was was an established pro,
Speaker 1: was was very well known across the league. Um had
Speaker 1: had a reputation for being, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: ultimate tough guys in the NFL and playing in one
Speaker 1: of the tough towns as they say, you know, in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia with fans and and how they feel about their team.
Speaker 1: So not a not an easy shadow to uh to
Speaker 1: walk behind as far as John Jr. Is concerned. But
Speaker 1: he's been doing in his whole life, right, So why
Speaker 1: why that against him? Now he's he certainly comes across
Speaker 1: as a as a very confident, self assured young man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and his dad was incredibly hands off. I mean when
Speaker 1: he handed him over to the St. Joe's UH coaching staff, infante,
Speaker 1: he let them coach. If they asked him a question,
Speaker 1: he would answer it, but he wasn't gonna step on
Speaker 1: any toes. And John Junior feels like that is ultimately
Speaker 1: what allowed him to not only stay with the game
Speaker 1: and and have the love for it that he does,
Speaker 1: but also have the passion for it because he found
Speaker 1: it on It's on his own. I mean, he saw
Speaker 1: things and he was around it, but it was ultimately
Speaker 1: his own passion that allowed him to persevere. I mean
Speaker 1: the Michigan thing, Mike, he committed there the end of
Speaker 1: his sophomore season. He had two more years of high school.
Speaker 1: It was like a one year starter at that point,
Speaker 1: and but he knew he wanted to play at Michigan.
Speaker 1: He had deep ties family wise on his dad side
Speaker 1: to Ann Arbor and Flint. This is a big thing
Speaker 1: for the young man. So now coming to the NFL,
Speaker 1: he is a sixth round pick, but I think if
Speaker 1: you talk to a lot of people around him, the
Speaker 1: feeling was he probably would have ended up being an
Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman, but opportunities on Michigan's offensive line allowed
Speaker 1: him to start at right tackle. His first ever start
Speaker 1: was at right tackle in a bowl game. In the
Speaker 1: following year, he became the starting left tackle and he
Speaker 1: stayed there the last two seasons. So he's up for it.
Speaker 1: He's flexible, he's extremely athletic. I mean, that's one thing
Speaker 1: that stands out. He doesn't have his dad's overall size,
Speaker 1: but I mean he ran basically a five flat forty time.
Speaker 1: There's some real athleticism there. And when you look at
Speaker 1: the zone blocking scheme, this is a young man that
Speaker 1: the Packers feel pretty confident is going to be able
Speaker 1: to fit the prototype of Matt Lafleur's offense. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: really wish we could have gotten to see that photo
Speaker 1: of him in Yeah, there's there's no way back in
Speaker 1: the day that Woody Hayes would have even agreed to
Speaker 1: have that photo taken. I just that that's my, uh
Speaker 1: my gut feeling when you go back to the rival
Speaker 1: days of Woody Hayes and Bo schem Beckler at those
Speaker 1: two universities. He wasn't and he wasn't even committed at
Speaker 1: that time to Michigan yet It's just that's how much
Speaker 1: they loved the Wolverines. That's how much he loved that
Speaker 1: school that he was willing to already basically right off
Speaker 1: any chance he had him going to Ohio State at
Speaker 1: that juncture of his football career. Yeah. Well, to other
Speaker 1: offensive lineman the Packers drafted in the sixth round, Simon
Speaker 1: Stepinac from Indiana, Jake Hansen from Oregon. I got a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to coaches from those schools as well,
Speaker 1: and um with Stepanek. It was interesting and I'll apologize
Speaker 1: right now. I believe on one of our early shows
Speaker 1: after the draft, I pronounced Simon's last name incorrectly, So
Speaker 1: hopefully I have it right now, buddy. But yeah, But anyway,
Speaker 1: I did talk with with offensive line coach Darren Hiller
Speaker 1: from Indiana, and I asked him just because the thing
Speaker 1: that stands out about Stepanac, now, this is another young man, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: who did not get to finish his college career in
Speaker 1: a bowl game. He ends up injuring his knee during
Speaker 1: bowl prep. After Indiana had finished its regular season. Hiller
Speaker 1: told me that Stepanak was playing some of the best
Speaker 1: ball of his career, The Big Old Oaken Bucket Rivalry
Speaker 1: with Perdue, which ends Indiana's regular season with some of
Speaker 1: the best film that he had out there. But then
Speaker 1: he suffers a pretty significant knee injury during bowl preps,
Speaker 1: so he can't go to the bowl game. And then
Speaker 1: of course everything with regard to the pre draft process,
Speaker 1: maybe the Senior Bowl, the Combine, all that is thrown
Speaker 1: up in the air, and Stepanac tells Hillary. He says, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the combine and I'm at least
Speaker 1: gonna do the bench press. So I'm gonna figure out
Speaker 1: a way to do the bench press. Well, Stepanek has
Speaker 1: to have surgery on the knee in the first week
Speaker 1: of January, so the combine is about six or seven
Speaker 1: weeks after that. Now, the bench press, of course, it's
Speaker 1: it's an upper body exercise, you know, chest and triceps
Speaker 1: and shoulders and all that. But as Hiller described to me,
Speaker 1: you still have to have kind of your feet landed
Speaker 1: on the ground to uh, you know, to to be
Speaker 1: able to to have the stability to give everything you've
Speaker 1: got on the bench press. Well, Stepan Act, less than
Speaker 1: two months removed from reconstructive surgery on his knee, he
Speaker 1: does thirty seven reps of two or twenty five pounds
Speaker 1: on the bench press at the combine, which ends up
Speaker 1: being one of the top totals of any lineman offensive
Speaker 1: war defensive lineman in Indianapolis. And Hiller told me, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, if he had been healthy, if it hadn't
Speaker 1: been for having the surgery in early January, and if
Speaker 1: he had actually been able to prep as much as
Speaker 1: he wanted to for the bench press, because this kid,
Speaker 1: you know, been a workout warrior his whole life. He
Speaker 1: thinks he would have been somewhere in the forties as
Speaker 1: far as his reps at two on the bench press.
Speaker 1: That kind of blew me away. West. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was never somebody who did a whole lot of weightlifting
Speaker 1: in my career as a baseball player and a golfer
Speaker 1: in in my college days. But man, oh man, forty
Speaker 1: some reps on the bench are you kidding me? I mean, so, anyway,
Speaker 1: it was it was interesting to to hear the story
Speaker 1: from the offensive line coach. Take away everything else, right,
Speaker 1: take away. This is NFL and guys trying to get drafted.
Speaker 1: Just a human being putting up two and twenty five
Speaker 1: pounds thirty seven times? Uh that that? Oh wait, that
Speaker 1: never ceases to amazing me. I mean, honestly, I think
Speaker 1: the most on the entire roster right now is what
Speaker 1: is it Corey Linsley with thirty six. I think Corey
Speaker 1: had Yeah, Corey had the Lancaster, but that that would
Speaker 1: put him right up there, and that wasn't even him
Speaker 1: at his best. Let's this is the thing I loved
Speaker 1: about it, and I love the quote that Hiller gave
Speaker 1: you about it, basically saying that he needs to you know,
Speaker 1: you don't think about your legs, you don't think about
Speaker 1: your knees, but you have to be basically bolted to
Speaker 1: the ground in order to do that exercise. The thing
Speaker 1: I love about that draft pick, Mike Um this is
Speaker 1: a long term one. Brian Goodkin set it from the beginning.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Packers are under no disillusion right now
Speaker 1: that that's Simon Stepanek. Whenever they get here is just
Speaker 1: gonna be good to go, and he'll be running and
Speaker 1: everything will be fine. He's the young man's gonna need
Speaker 1: some time to get back. But these are the type
Speaker 1: of guys that you want to look at in the
Speaker 1: potential six rounds, especially when you have that many draft picks,
Speaker 1: as the Packers did in those later rounds, because there's
Speaker 1: going to be time. The Packers have a really deep,
Speaker 1: uh you know, fertile crop of you know, offensive lineman
Speaker 1: behind their starting five right now. So they're not asking
Speaker 1: this guy to come in and win a starting job
Speaker 1: right away. They're asking him to heal. They're asking him
Speaker 1: to rehab. Yeah. Well, one other one to get to today,
Speaker 1: and that's Jake Hansen, the center from Oregon, and it
Speaker 1: was I had a really good conversation with Oregon's head coach,
Speaker 1: Mario Cristo Ball and uh fortunately it worked out to
Speaker 1: be able to catch up with him on the phone.
Speaker 1: He was the offensive coordinator originally for Oregon. He went
Speaker 1: there from Alabama when he'd been working for Nick Saban
Speaker 1: and then he became the head coach at Oregon. So
Speaker 1: he had a really good perspective on Hansen's career. And
Speaker 1: the story I really liked that he told is that
Speaker 1: he said he he still remembers getting on the plane
Speaker 1: when he was gonna fly from Alabama to Oregon. He
Speaker 1: was gonna start his new job as offensive coordinator for
Speaker 1: the Ducks. He's got his iPad and he's looking at
Speaker 1: the film of the sixteen season. This is heading into
Speaker 1: when he gets the job at Oregon. He's looking at
Speaker 1: film of the offense for the sixteen season to see
Speaker 1: what he's got. Right, who were the players that he's
Speaker 1: got coming back? Well, lo and behold, he's got a
Speaker 1: freshman quarterback named Justin Herbert who ends up being drafted
Speaker 1: sixth overall in this most recent draft. So all his
Speaker 1: film obviously stood out, but he also noticed two guys
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. He had a red shirt freshman
Speaker 1: at guard and Shane Lemieux, and he had a red
Speaker 1: shirt freshman at center in Jake Hansen, And both of
Speaker 1: those guys jumped off the film as well. And he's
Speaker 1: he was talking about how he was really excited seeing
Speaker 1: that on the film, knowing like, all right, I've got
Speaker 1: a quarterback and to offensive lineman that I can use
Speaker 1: to install my new offense because it was gonna be
Speaker 1: this whole new playbook and everything like that. And he
Speaker 1: could tell from watching that film, and he mentioned with
Speaker 1: Hansen specifically the way Hanson as a red shirt freshman
Speaker 1: is making calls, directing traffic, doing all those kinds of
Speaker 1: things that a center does for his freshman quarterback, taking
Speaker 1: the snaps. He knew he was gonna have no problem
Speaker 1: installing that offense and getting things going because of those guys.
Speaker 1: Hansen was a big piece of that. And by the
Speaker 1: time Hanson's career at Oregon ended, he star. He had
Speaker 1: started forty nine games at center for the Ducks, and
Speaker 1: then the Packers draft him in the sixth round and
Speaker 1: Shane Lemieu, the guard that played next to him for
Speaker 1: those four years, was drafted just one round earlier. I
Speaker 1: believe it was by the New York Giants. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: a cool story Hanson is. And and certainly he's a
Speaker 1: guy that I don't think he's just gonna flash, right,
Speaker 1: He's just he's a down in, true blue collars center
Speaker 1: that has a lot of experience, much like Stepanek did
Speaker 1: coming out of Indiana. So you understand why sometimes these
Speaker 1: guys last until the fifth and sixth round. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they can't play, and it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that they can't come in and win a job in
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's just sometimes guys just don't have that
Speaker 1: type of like awe factor, especially on the interior offensive line.
Speaker 1: And the thing I took away from your story with
Speaker 1: Kristal Ball too, is that you kind of touched on it.
Speaker 1: But this is a guy that, even at a young age,
Speaker 1: was capable of communicating an offense and capable of setting
Speaker 1: up an offensive line for success. That's so important because
Speaker 1: we don't know whether or not Jake Hanson's gonna end
Speaker 1: up being a center in the National Football a He
Speaker 1: could be a left guard, could be a right guard,
Speaker 1: but he has that experience and you saw it last year.
Speaker 1: Mike Elton Jenkins was a center his last two years
Speaker 1: at Mississippi State. But he comes in here and he
Speaker 1: has that background, he has that knowledge, and he ends
Speaker 1: up becoming a really good starter for the Packers and
Speaker 1: all rookie left guard right off the bat. So with Hanson,
Speaker 1: all three of those guys, whether it's Hanson, Runyon, or
Speaker 1: obviously Stepanek, those all three of them offer the type
Speaker 1: of things that you're looking for in a sixth round pick,
Speaker 1: a developmental prospect, and it's gonna be interesting to see
Speaker 1: exactly what he can Hanson can turn this into now
Speaker 1: this opportunity in Green Bay. Yeah, and certainly no uh,
Speaker 1: no slacker in the strength department either. He put up
Speaker 1: thirty three reps on the bench press at the combine,
Speaker 1: I believe so. So the phrase country strong and definitely applies.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Kristo Ball talked about Hansen just he's a grinder,
Speaker 1: He's a guy that he thinks he can play, you know,
Speaker 1: ten years in the NFL wherever a team wants to
Speaker 1: use him, center guard, whatever the case might be. So
Speaker 1: be interesting to see these uh, these prospects develop as
Speaker 1: their careers just get started here. Yeah, and it's always
Speaker 1: fun with offensive linemen in particular because it's sort of
Speaker 1: like unboxing a present. You know that you're getting an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, but you don't know where they're going to fit.
Speaker 1: We didn't really know that David Box is gonna be
Speaker 1: a left tackle. We certainly didn't know if Brian Blago
Speaker 1: is gonna be a right tackle. That was a conversation
Speaker 1: for four years. But you know, you see where these
Speaker 1: guys end up finding a home in the league, and
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the key. And as John Runyan Senior
Speaker 1: told John Runyan Jr. Now that he's draft in the NFL,
Speaker 1: you have to basically make the team twice. You need
Speaker 1: to make the team right off the bat, and then
Speaker 1: you need to keep your spot in order to get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to potentially grab a starting job, you know,
Speaker 1: as a Day three pick. He had been through that,
Speaker 1: and now that's what all three of these young men
Speaker 1: are gonna be doing, is they try to find a
Speaker 1: spot here in Green Bay. Yeah, we'll be sure to
Speaker 1: check out all of those draft pick features that are
Speaker 1: posted on Packers dot com. We've got some more coming
Speaker 1: in the ensuing days and next week. Uh here on
Speaker 1: Unscripted will continue sharing some of those fun anecdotes from
Speaker 1: our conversations with the players, the connections to the players
Speaker 1: from their past. So for now we will sign off
Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Thank you for tuning
Speaker 1: in everybody for West I am Mike. Take care. We'll
Speaker 1: see you next time.