1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio, our number two of 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: the Herd. 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 3: I'm Danny Parkins from FS one and soon to be 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: First Things First, coming at you from La. I'll be 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 3: in for Colin tomorrow from Chicago. We have Nick right 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: at First Things First joining us for his normal apherance 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: coming up in just a couple of minutes, which is 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: truly surreal, I would say for both of us, given 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: that the first time we ever hosted together was doing 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: a Syracuse Providence basketball postgame show on w a R 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: in college Radio. We'll have some fun coming up in 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: about five minutes, where I assume Nick will just agree 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 3: with every brilliant thing that I say and we'll keep 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: it moving or not. But before we get to Nick, 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: we will begin with my top ten teams heading in 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 3: to the upcoming football season, because if not now, when 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: and we'll see if Philip burg tay to feel a 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: little better. Number ten, it's the Chargers of Los Angeles. 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 3: You know what I think of Justin Herbert, you know 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: what everyone thinks of Jim Harbaugh. Did you know they 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: were the number one scoring defense in the NFL last year. 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: If they just get a little bit more explosive on offense, 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: and I think Hampton and Harris, their two draft picks 30 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: will help, and year two under Harball will help they 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: take the leap offensively. They get a little bit of 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: health luck, which every team needs. The Chargers. I expect 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 3: them back in the playoffs, and maybe he'd be rising 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 3: up this list over the course of the season. Number 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: nine the Washington Commanders. I think, better team, worse record, 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: nine to one score victories last season. Jaden Daniels is 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: a superstar. I like the Tunsil addition. We'll see about 38 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 3: Debo and how he fits. I don't know if you 39 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: can win that many close games again, but I think 40 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: they got the right coach, the right quarterback. Obviously, a 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: tough division with Philly and Dallas will be better. I 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: think they're a better roster and a worse team. Number 43 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: eight the San Francisco forty nine ers, it's time to 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: bounce back. Brock Perty to me should not be quite 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: as polarizing as people make him out to be. But 46 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: he actually impressed me when he lost some of the 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: stuff around him. He's not a superstar, he's not a 48 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: top ten quarterback, but in Kyle Shanahan's offense, he's got 49 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: good postnat processing. He can get the ball out quick, 50 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: and I think that's enough, assuming. 51 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: The rest of their stars stay healthy. 52 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 3: Kittle, Trent Williams, and namely Christian McCaffrey, who's the key 53 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: to everything, and frankly a cheap code in Kyle Shanahan's offense. 54 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: Number seven, Just be competent on defense. 55 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals, your offense is super Bowl caliber. You went 56 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: three to four in games where you scored thirty or 57 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: more points last year. 58 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 2: Figure it out with Hendrickson. 59 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 3: Have Shamar Stewart hit you upgraded at defensive coordinator because 60 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: you just had to. In the Super Bowl era for 61 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: teams that lost five or more games, the Cincinnati Bengals 62 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: most points per game and losses. Any team they scored 63 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 3: twenty eight points per game in their. 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: Losses last year. 65 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: Just be the twentieth best defense in the NFL, and 66 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: you'll be fine. 67 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: Number six. I can't quit this Rams team. 68 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: I think them in the Niners is going to be 69 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: a great battle all year long. Offensive line health concerns me. 70 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: Stafford's a stud, Mcvey's a stud. The Devonte Adams at 71 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: as great and Fisk and verse. They didn't have a 72 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: first round pick this year, but their draft hit tremendously 73 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: last year. If they're the linebacker or the tight end 74 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: they hit in the second and third round. 75 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: If they can just add one more. 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: Piece, they were the team that gave Philly the best 77 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: challenge really the last four and a half months of football. 78 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: I think they're right there as a contender. Number five. 79 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: Maybe this is too low, but it's the Baltimore Ravens. 80 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: It was a historic offense last year when you combine 81 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: running and passing, but their inability to get it done 82 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: consistently in January once you get up to this level 83 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 3: concerns me from the quarterback on down. But this team 84 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: has a legitimate argument for being the best roster. 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: In the NFL. 86 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: Hopefully for Ravens fans, this is the year they break through. 87 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: Number four, but I still. 88 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: Have the Bills in front of them both because of. 89 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: Their playoff history. 90 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: I happen to think Josh Allen is better than Lamar Jackson, 91 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: and they just have been bludgeting people. 92 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: It's the team with the. 93 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: Best point differential in the NFL over a sample of 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 3: five years, and it's not close. 95 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: You'd say, oh, I would assume that would be the Chiefs. 96 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 2: The Chiefs are third, the Ravens are second. 97 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 3: They've outscored opponents by five hundred and fifty five points 98 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: in the last five years. The Bills have outscored their 99 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: opponents by nearly eight hundred points the last five years 100 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: their regular season juggernaut. Can they break through in January 101 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: number three? Speaking of a team I can't quit. I 102 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: think we were robbed of a Lions Eagles NFC Championship 103 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: game last year. The Detroit Lions come in at number three. 104 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: This offense should be electric. I think Ben Johnson is 105 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: a bigger ad for the Bears than he was lost 106 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: for the Lions. If they just had normal bad luck 107 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 3: for health on defense, we would have seen them in 108 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: the NFC Championship game. Last year. They gave up thirty 109 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: one points per game their last six games of the year. 110 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: Injuries caught up to them. Number two the Kansas City Chiefs. 111 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: Their defense is electric. They've got the best quarterback, they've 112 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: got the best coach. They've improved their offensive line, especially 113 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: if they can stay healthy. 114 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: They now have a little depth. 115 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: Rashi Rice, Hollywood Brown Xavier Worthy played zero snaps together 116 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 3: last season. If the explosiveness can return to the Chiefs offense, 117 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: I expect them back in the Super Bowl. Number one 118 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles are the best organization with the best roster. 119 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: My guess is Eagles fans will not be nearly as 120 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 3: happy about this ranking as they were upset about the 121 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts ranking. But winning more than seventeen games and 122 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: rushing for more than three thousand yards, it puts you 123 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: in company with the eighty five Bears, the seventy two Dolphins, 124 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 3: the ninety eight Broncos, and last year's Eagles team. It's 125 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: a tough combination and it's one that's going to win you 126 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 3: a ton of football games. There's your top ten teams 127 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: heading in to this football season, which now allows us 128 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: to be joined by my friend and now. 129 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: Coworker and colleague. 130 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: At First things first, Nick, Right, Hey, buddy, what's up. 131 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 3: How's it going. 132 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: It's going well. 133 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 4: I really liked I really liked your top ten teams. 134 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: Ben. 135 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 4: I think it's really cool that you were able to 136 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: just run back the exact ten teams you loved last year. 137 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 5: Just add the Washington to it. 138 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: That's all your teams, yes, every single one. 139 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: You're doing the same thing everyone's doing. You know who's 140 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 4: gonna be good? The teams that I thought were gonna 141 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: be good last year? This is your same list. 142 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 5: As a year ago at this time of year, plus Washington. 143 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: I did not have the Eagles at one. I did 144 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: not have the Eagles winning the division last year. I 145 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: was very wrong about Dallas. So the number one team, 146 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna honor the Super Bowl. I do 147 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: have a lot of respect for the Bengals and the 148 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: Niners to bounce back. 149 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: You could admit it. It's a perfect list. 150 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 4: Okay, So let's talk about the two teams because I 151 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 4: do find it interesting the two teams that weren't good 152 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 4: last year that you think are gonna be good this 153 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 4: year because I have different teams. That and your total 154 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: abandonment in faith of the Bears is a total topic 155 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 4: for another day. Why will this season be different for 156 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: the Bengals? Than last year. What's one reason. 157 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: New defensive coordinator. 158 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 4: I don't know that it's an upgrade. I mean, I 159 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 4: guess that's the hope. I just feel I feel like 160 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: the Bengals, I don't know how their offense can't be 161 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: better than it was, that's right, and so maybe it 162 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: stays equal. I mean, you are more in the mainstream 163 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: than I am on the Bengals this year because most 164 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 4: people seem to think they're a real threat. 165 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 5: Last year was an aberration. 166 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: They'll get back to being a contender ish, But I 167 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 4: don't see why I. 168 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 5: Would believe that. 169 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 4: I think the defense is maybe going to be worse 170 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 4: than last year, having with Trey Hendrickson not there right now, 171 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 4: I don't know that they had an upgrade at de coordinator, 172 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 4: and the offense played basically perfectly last year, So I 173 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 4: don't I feel like the Bengals are doing have the 174 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 4: exact same plan they had a year ago, except now 175 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 4: the guys are more expensive and we're supposed to think 176 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 4: that's going to make them better. 177 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 5: I don't buy them for real. 178 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: Well, listen that if you score that many points historically, 179 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: you're just supposed to be much better. I'm not saying 180 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: that they're going to win the Super Bowl with a 181 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: terrible defense. But if you've got a great offense, you're 182 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: supposed to be a better team than last year. I 183 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 3: figure your biggest beef was going to be with the 184 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: Niners because of your just unrelenting, unflinching stance and hatred 185 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: of brock Purty. 186 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: Well it's listen, it's not hatred, but I you know, 187 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 4: there's certain things. It's so interesting where and I asked 188 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 4: this question this morning on What's Right the podcast, which 189 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 4: is at what point does someone's public perception ship from 190 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 4: being a hater to being correctly skeptical. So the reason 191 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: I did not buy into brock Purty when he nearly 192 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 4: won MVP and got his team to overtime of the 193 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 4: Super Bowl in twenty twenty three was very simple in that, 194 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 4: you know what, I thought, it was a such a 195 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 4: stack team with such a brilliant play caller that I 196 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 4: had real questions what would he look like if some 197 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 4: of those pieces chipped away? And then, by the grace 198 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 4: of the sports gods, we got to see exactly what 199 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 4: he would look like if he didn't have all those weapons. 200 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 4: And the team finished what in last place in their division, 201 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 4: second or last in their division, won six to seven games, 202 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 4: and now everyone's like just wants to pretend that didn't happen. 203 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 4: And you are more optimistic about the Niners this year 204 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: than I am. You're right about that because I thought 205 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: they one of the reasons people and credit you for 206 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: not being one of them, it seems, are buying into 207 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 4: the Broncos so much is because of two Niners defenders 208 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: that they took. The Niners defense lost massive personnel at 209 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 4: each and every level. The wide receiver room right now 210 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 4: is super banged up, and they are desperately relying on 211 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 4: Christian McCaffery, who's awesome but a huge injury risk and 212 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: the oldest tackle in the league. And so a lot 213 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: of folks rationale for the Niners is they won't be 214 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 4: as injured as they were last year. And my answer is, well, 215 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 4: they're not as deep as they were last year, and 216 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 4: I do think they are one of the more injury risk, 217 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: you know, higher injury risk teams. So no, I'm not 218 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 4: a Niners believer for the second consecutive year. 219 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: With Kyle Shanahan Christian McCaffrey when they play together, not 220 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 3: the Kyle Shanahan plays but when McCaffrey plays for Kyle Shanahan, 221 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, they win seventy five percent 222 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: of their games, they're twenty three to eight. When McCaffrey 223 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: is out there eight and twelve, and he's worth about 224 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: four points per game. It feels to me like that 225 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: coach with that player is a cheat code, which is 226 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: why I'm going. 227 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: To still believe in them. 228 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: But if we're going to just react to my lists, 229 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: I know you want to, and I know we've done 230 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: it on FtF, We've done it on your couch, what is. 231 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: The text and group chat? 232 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: Explain to me why Justin Herbert isn't the fifth best 233 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: quarterback in football because he passes my beautiful eye test. 234 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 4: I mean just because when you are as close to 235 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: year ten as you are your rookie year, when you're 236 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 4: the same college recruiting class as Nicky Bosa and the 237 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 4: same draft class as Justin Jefferson, you have to be 238 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 4: judged on what you've actually done, not what you theoretically 239 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 4: could be and what you Justin Herbert sick of fans, 240 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: and I think he's a good player. What you guys 241 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 4: all refuse to admit is for most of you. Three 242 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 4: or four of the last five years, you have gone into. 243 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 5: The season not just talking about. 244 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 4: How good Herbert is, but how good the team is, true, 245 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 4: how dangerous the Chargers are, how stacked it is. And 246 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 4: then the year ends they're mediocre. He's bad in the 247 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 4: big spot, and everyone's like he needs more help her 248 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 4: and so and you said it. Last year they had 249 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,599 Speaker 4: the number one defense. 250 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 5: In the NFL. 251 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 4: They had the good offensive line with the now the 252 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 4: highest pade left tackle in football, Joe al To right tackle, 253 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 4: a great coach, and he could not get out of 254 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 4: his own way against the Texans team that was dying. 255 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: To be beaten in his hands. 256 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 5: Nick, You're not kidding. 257 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: You're not serious, You're not serious. He was awful. He 258 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 4: was awful in that game. And here is to me, 259 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 4: and I'm not, you know, known as a Jalen Herds guy. 260 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 4: But what I do think is fair is last year 261 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 4: the Chargers asked Justin Herbert to be the quarterback that 262 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts was for Philadelphia in twenty twenty two when 263 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 4: they made their first Super Bowl. We're gonna run the ball, 264 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 4: We're gonna throw it sparingly, We're gonna play a great defense, 265 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 4: don't turn it over, and three or four times a 266 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 4: game in the playoffs, make big plays. And Jalen Hurts 267 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 4: executed that exact playbook almost flawlessly, to the tune of 268 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: playing neck and neck to Mahomes in the Super Bowl. 269 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 4: Justin Herbert was asked to do that and had one 270 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: of the worst games of his life against the Texans, 271 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 4: and folks just want to pretend it didn't happen. We've 272 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 4: seen Herbert play in three either playoff or winner take 273 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: all games, because the Week eighteen game against the Raiders 274 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 4: couple of years a few years ago, and he has 275 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 4: been bad in all three of them. 276 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 5: And he's five years into his career. 277 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: I know he's talented, I know he throws a beautiful ball, 278 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 4: but at some point it has to be about what 279 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 4: you've actually accomplished. And even though I'm not the biggest 280 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts guy in the world, having Herbert ahead of 281 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 4: Hurtz and Stafford is mortifying and and and it makes 282 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: you question why do we actually play the games like. 283 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: Real real quick? 284 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: If the trade was offered Jalen Hurts for Justin Herbert. 285 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 5: The Eagles would say, no, you're out of. 286 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: Your minds, you're out, You're out of your mind. The 287 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: guy is more talented. 288 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: He would be able to hand the ball off to 289 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley just like Jalen Hurtskin and instead of quarter 290 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: they would just a J Brown and Devonte Smith Moore? 291 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 5: Can can I ask you? Can? I let's stay here? Then? 292 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 4: Do you think if we're going to play in this 293 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 4: make believe world that last year, if Jalen hurts was 294 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 4: the Chargers quarterback, they would have beaten the Texans, because 295 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 4: I do that Texans, no, hold on because the only 296 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: because the only reason they lost was the four interceptions? 297 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 5: Would they have justin Herbert. 298 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: That was an outlier, terrible game. 299 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: The guy threw over five hundred passes in the regular 300 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: season and had three interceptions. 301 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 5: Right, But Danny, that doesn't mean something. Danny, if you 302 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 5: if you. 303 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 4: Went before, you go back to the first time you 304 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 4: were filling in for Colin, if you. 305 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 5: Had never, if you had never dropped. 306 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 4: An F bomb in your entire the entire year of 307 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: doing live radio, and then and then in the first 308 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 4: hour of doing the Herd you dropped three. 309 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 5: Would that be bad luck? Or would that be ooh? 310 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 5: The moment got to them. 311 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: Your coward level analogies. 312 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 4: That's not fine, but you follow like the and so 313 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 4: I don't agree with you that they Now, I do 314 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 4: think that if you didn't have a team built yet 315 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 4: like you were, that's a different question. Would the Eagles 316 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 4: trade Herbert for Hurts? It's a different question than I 317 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 4: am starting a team from scratch. What players I think 318 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 4: is more malleable. 319 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 3: Okay, but if we're doing a top ten list, if 320 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: every player was available to be drafted, yeah, thirty two 321 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: general managers. 322 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 4: Justin wouldn't take Herbert fifth, but you certainly wouldn't take 323 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 4: him fifth. 324 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: You would take it before Jalen Hurts. 325 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 5: Maybe maybe then he's then he's better. 326 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 4: Okay, so he at some point again he accomplishment much 327 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 4: must matter, that's first of all, and second of all, 328 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 4: you can't by that metric. Danny, though, who would you 329 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 4: take ahead? I don't know if anybody would take him. 330 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 4: If we're talking about for long term, would take him 331 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 4: ahead of Jayden Daniels. And if we're talking about for 332 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: short Duram would take him ahead of Matt Stafford. 333 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 5: So like, you just love him, you'll never quit him. 334 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 4: You've always loved him, and just the audience needs to know, like, 335 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 4: for some reason, you're a Justin Herbert guy. 336 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 5: It's a weird guy. It's a weird thing, but it's fine. 337 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 3: All right, speaking of a guy who is one of 338 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 3: your guys, But I feel like he this should be 339 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 3: everybody's guy. Professional athlete works out in off season. I 340 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 3: didn't know was worthy of a cover story, like why 341 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: are people rushing to bet Luka Doncic for MVP? 342 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: Like I've seen the guy carry a. 343 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: Team to the NBA Finals and average thirty three to 344 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 3: nine to ten. 345 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: He all read. 346 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 3: I didn't know that public opinion on him had slid 347 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: so much that we were that we were doubting Luka 348 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: Doncic that I needed to see him intermittent fast. 349 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: I guess I missed that. 350 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 4: Oh, you're watching too many old Justin Herbert at Oregon, 351 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 4: because that's where the whole media has been. 352 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: That's its. 353 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 4: Luka Doncic in the span of ten months, went from 354 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: in like the probably the first person named in the 355 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 4: after joker, who's the best player in the league discussion 356 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: to basically a past his prime, fat alcoholic in the 357 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 4: public eye. And it's really unbelievable. Twelve months ago today, 358 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 4: not a person in the world thought Shay or Anthony 359 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 4: Edwards was better than him, And then prior to this 360 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 4: cover story, it seemed like everyone had just decided Shay 361 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 4: and Anthony Edwards were. 362 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 5: Better than him. 363 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 4: I listen, Luke, the amount of Luca had a down year. 364 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 4: It coincided with the first major injury of his career. Truly, 365 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: I think traumatic event in being traded that shocked him 366 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 4: and threw him off, and he was and he was 367 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 4: out of shape, but it came on the heels of 368 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: the best season regular and post of his life. Where 369 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 4: as you mentioned, he won the scoring title average thirty 370 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 4: four to nine to ten, single handedly led a team 371 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 4: shouldn't a single handedly Kyrie was good, but you know, 372 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: led a team to the NBA Finals and made his 373 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 4: fifth All NBA First Team, which, for the record, is 374 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: more than Steph or Chris Paul have in their career 375 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: and is only one less than Kevin freaking Durant, who's 376 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 4: been unbelievable for almost twenty years. 377 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 5: That's how good Luca is. 378 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 4: But I do think it's noteworthy that he took it 379 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 4: to heart that last year he was. 380 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 5: A little out of shape. 381 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 4: It didn't go the way he wanted, and for the 382 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 4: most notable part of that story, other than the fake 383 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: news about his forty two inch vertical, was that the 384 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 4: gym he has worked in every summer since he was 385 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: a teenager did not have weights in it until this year. 386 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 4: He just went there involved and then so now he 387 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 4: brought it weights. So I think that is good. And 388 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 4: now listen is the bit of osmosis of spending a 389 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 4: few months around Lebron and realizing he needs to get 390 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 4: in shape. Probably, but I'll give Luca credit for it. 391 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 3: Anyway, We've come a long way from Syracuse Providence postgame 392 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: shows on waer my friend, I cannot believe that. 393 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 4: Coming up, but I think your takes were better than 394 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 4: I gotta tell you. 395 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 5: I think we need to go back. I can get 396 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 5: some of those tapes. 397 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 4: Unless there was some lacrosse player who had never done 398 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 4: anything in his five year college career and you're like. 399 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 5: He's better than Gary Gates, I don't know, but yeah, 400 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 5: I can't wait. 401 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 4: It's gonna be really cool to be working with you 402 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 4: every day for the first time since, you know, in 403 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 4: twenty years. It's gonna be great. I'm gonna love it, 404 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 4: and it's going to be even more exciting when Herbert 405 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 4: goes eight and nine and you're like, but actually he 406 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: throws such a tight spiral. 407 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: It is a very tight spiral. Nick Wright will be 408 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: watching on First Things First, Thank you, my. 409 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: Friend, see you buddy. 410 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: All right, that's Nick right from First Things First, of 411 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: which I will be joining when they expand to three 412 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 3: hours this upcoming football season, that show will be three 413 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 3: to six Eastern coming up next. And by the way, 414 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: I got Nick to concede that he would draft Herbert Overheartz. 415 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: I'm talking that whole thing up as a win. 416 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: There's a massive disconnect on this show and elsewhere on 417 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 3: shod Or Sanders. 418 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: We'll get into it next to Hurt. 419 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 6: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 420 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 6: and Noone Eastern Empacific. 421 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 7: Hey, we're Covino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 422 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 7: five to seven pm Eastern. 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Listen Over Promised 446 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 8: with Covino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts 447 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 8: or wherever you get your podcasts. 448 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: Welcome back into the Herd. I'm Danny Parkins in for 449 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 3: Colin Cowherd. It's a true honor to do this yesterday, today. 450 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: And tomorrow. 451 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 3: Jeff Schwartz will be on the program a little bit later. 452 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: On in the show, which is also kind of. 453 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: Surreal given that when I was covering the Chiefs and 454 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 3: doing radio in Kansas City, he was the first guy 455 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 3: I ever talked to covering an NFL locker. 456 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: Room, so known. 457 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 3: Aj Brazinski, a long time Jeff Schwartz a long time, 458 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 3: no one longer than Nick Wright who was just on. 459 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: So it's been really fun to be able to do 460 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: this here sitting in the big chair for Colin Cowherd, 461 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: and wanted to talk a little bit about what I 462 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: think is maybe one of the bigger disconnects between media 463 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: and reality in the sports world that we've seen in 464 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 3: a long time. And I know, and he makes fun 465 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: of himself when he's like, I don't know if everyone 466 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 3: else is fascinated by the browns QB situation, but I 467 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 3: am fascinated by it. And I'm like, I don't know 468 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 3: that I am quite there with you, Colin, because Shadoor 469 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: Sanders was a fifth round pick, you know, a fifth 470 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: round pick, famous dad, interesting prospect. We thought he was 471 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: going to be a higher pick, but the NFL said 472 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 3: fifth round pick, and. 473 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: Shadoor Sanders seems to know that. 474 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 3: And I'm not sure that the rest of the media 475 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 3: world has completely caught up to it. I'm going to 476 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: play a couple of things for you here and then 477 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 3: I'll start to unpack what I think's happened. But first, 478 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 3: his father, Dion Sanders, was on Michael Irvin's podcast talking 479 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 3: about how and why Dion Sanders will not be attending 480 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 3: Brown's training camp many time soon. 481 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: He didn't want me to come. 482 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 5: He's like that I may get three full reps in practice. 483 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 6: I don't want you to seeing man, like, no, no, 484 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 6: I'm not where I need to be. 485 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 2: Let me get where I need to be. And it's 486 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: so funny because. 487 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 6: This is the first time many and he's dealing with 488 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 6: it like a pro, like like he ain't mad, he 489 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 6: ain't good. 490 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 5: He's like, I got work to do, and I'm gonna 491 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 5: put in his work. 492 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: One thing, They're gonna have to let me play. 493 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: Preseason gonna come, and when preseason come, watch me work. 494 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 2: Okay, I hope he's right. 495 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: That sounds like a former coach and current and always 496 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 3: dad rooting for his son. 497 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: But he's right. 498 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 3: Shadoor Sanders will at some point play in the preseason, 499 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 3: and in theory, the Kenny Pickett injury opens up some 500 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: reps for him to move up. 501 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: The depth chart, but not all. 502 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: But some of the reporting or the reaction to the 503 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 3: reporting mora acculations like Ben should door Sanders has gotten 504 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: any reps with the ones yet. Yeah, he was a 505 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 3: fifth round pick. Say what you want about Joe Flacco. 506 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: We're not that far removed from Joe Flacco in NFL 507 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 3: playoff games. Say what you will about Kenny Pickett, but 508 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 3: he's a young quarterback who was a first rounds pick. 509 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: And say what you will about Dylan Gabriel. 510 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 3: But this team, the team that drafted Shador Sanders in 511 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: the fifth round, took him in the third round. And 512 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: this was from this morning. The owner of the Cleveland Browns, 513 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 3: Jimmy Haslam, Maybe he's surprised, but he's also being asked 514 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 3: questions about his fifth round picket quarterback. 515 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 9: If you have told me, he said, we picked him 516 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 9: on Saturday, right Friday night drive at home. You all 517 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 9: don't pick Shadu or I would say that that's not happening. 518 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 9: But we had a conversation early that morning, and then 519 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 9: we have conversation later that day. I think we had 520 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 9: the right people involved in the conversation or at the 521 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 9: end of the day. 522 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: That's Andrew Berry's call. 523 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 9: Andrew made the call to pick Shador. 524 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 3: So Andrew Berry also made the call to pick Dylan Gabriel. 525 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 3: And I think we just need to come to grips 526 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 3: because it seems like Shador Sanders has understood it. He 527 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 3: made some mistakes with the speeding tickets that put himself 528 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 3: back into the news, but by all accounts, he is 529 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 3: showing up on time, doing the work, not complaining, trying 530 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 3: not to be a distraction, fulfilling his media obligations. As asked, 531 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: I was reading a story about how when he came 532 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: in to a you know, a media tent off the 533 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 3: side of a practice field, a veteran on the team 534 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: was doing his media responsibilities and the reporters started to 535 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 3: leave that players to go over and kind of camp 536 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: out to get the best microphone space for Chador's and 537 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: Shador told the pr guy, you know, I'm not going 538 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 3: to talk to the media until the veteran player is done. 539 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: Out of a signer, respectively, it seems like Shador, who 540 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: by all accounts was a good kid at Colorado, is 541 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: doing the right things in terms of being a professional. Again, 542 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 3: notable exception of the multiple speeding tickets. But to me, 543 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 3: those are very little, minor transgressions that are just little blips. 544 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: They're not anything to really get my antenna up here. 545 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: But the disconnect to me is fascinating on this level. 546 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: We messed up. The media messed up. 547 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: And when I say the media, I am including quote 548 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 3: unquote draft experts, the mel Kiper's, Todd mcshay's, Matt Miller's, 549 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 3: Joel Klattz, Dane Bruglers of the world. And I'm not 550 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 3: saying any of them are bad or anything about it. 551 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 3: It's an unbelievable industry that has been created where we 552 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: watch college football and we watch the NFL, and then 553 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 3: a segment of the industry. I make a three hundred 554 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: and sixty five day a year job out of figuring 555 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: out the transition of some players from college to the. 556 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: NFL, and I eat it up. 557 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: I like drafts coverage too, but I also don't really 558 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 3: pretend that I know anything, because I think that at 559 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: least when I am talking about a player in a game, 560 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 3: I can watch the game, and then I can have 561 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: my NFL game Pass and I can watch the All 562 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 3: twenty two and I can get access to the stats 563 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: and I can feel relatively informed. You still have what 564 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: was the play call, what was this? What was a 565 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 3: guy's health? You still have plenty of things you don't know, 566 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: but we don't know an immense amount compared to the draft, 567 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: And there's just so many information gaps that it's hard 568 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: for me to really put much stock into any of 569 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 3: the pre draft process. What happens in draft season is 570 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: if your team is picking twentieth and you get a 571 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: guy who in the consensus mock drafts was slated to 572 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: go fourteenth, the reaction the day after the draft is 573 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: you gotta steal. And then if you're drafting twentieth and 574 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: you took a guy who in the consensus mock drafts 575 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: was slated to go twenty ninth, you got a reach 576 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: and you got a bad grade. So we are the 577 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,239 Speaker 3: media is judging your successes or your failures off of 578 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 3: our rankings. Shador Sanders is the best example example we've 579 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: ever had of the NFL doesn't agree with our rankings. Now, 580 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 3: normally the media is not as far off as they 581 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: were with Shador Sanders. And it was a boring draft 582 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: and the Titans had the number one pick, and he 583 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 3: is Dion Sanders's son, like there was just an element 584 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: of celebrity and a desire to fuel the coverage of 585 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 3: post super Bowl leading into the draft, which is normally a. 586 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: Football rich time. 587 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 3: We've got to make a story, and so this kid 588 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 3: got built up into something that the NFL clearly did 589 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 3: not think that he was. And then on Draft night, 590 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 3: the story became the story that the media created. The 591 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 3: build of Shadoor Sanders became the fall of Shadoor Sanders, 592 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 3: and athletes have complained about this all the time. You 593 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 3: build us up to tear us down, You build us 594 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 3: up to tear us down. Shadoor Sanders is the perfect 595 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 3: example of that. I would bet he doesn't play a 596 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: game this year. Fifth round picks sometimes get cut. There 597 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 3: is no guarantee that Shadoor Sanders ever plays a game 598 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: in the NFL. Willie probably, But Joe Flacco is now 599 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: the favorite to start, and I think Kenny Pickett coming 600 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: back from a hamstring injury. 601 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 2: Is a kind of co favorite to start. 602 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 3: And Cleveland's gonna be really bad, and next year's quarterback 603 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: class is supposed to be really good. So if they 604 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 3: take Allur or Manning or nus Meyer or whoever, they 605 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 3: take in next year's draft, that guy will slot in 606 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: ahead of Shador Sanders, if he's even still in on 607 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 3: the team. And my guess is the Browns want to 608 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 3: see what they have from Dylan Gabriel before they see 609 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: anything from Shador Sanders, because judge them by their actions, 610 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: not their words. They drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third 611 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 3: round and Shador Sanders in the fifth. But Schador seems 612 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 3: to get it. Hey, dad, don't come to practice. You're 613 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 3: not just a normal dad, You're Dion Sanders. I don't 614 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 3: want to be more of a distraction because I am 615 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 3: fourth on a bad quarterback depth chart for a bad 616 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: organization that has done a bad job of developing quarterbacks. 617 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 3: But it's like, because in March we believe that this 618 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 3: guy could be the second pick in the draft, we 619 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 3: have to be like, you know, the next, the next 620 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,959 Speaker 3: Dak Prescott or Brock Purdy or Tom Brady is just 621 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 3: sitting there in Cleveland. The overwhelming likelihood is that the 622 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 3: media was just wrong and we fell for groupthink, and 623 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 3: Shador Sanders is not going to be an NFL quarterback 624 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 3: for very long, and he will be out of the 625 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 3: NFL in a couple of years like that is the 626 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 3: overwhelming likely now what I'm rooting for. I have nothing 627 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: against the kid. In fact, I kind of feel bad 628 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 3: for him. I think he got some bad advice. I 629 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: think the legendary thing was a little bit of a mistake, 630 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 3: being in the shadow of Dion Sanders coming into the 631 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 3: sports take industrial complex and getting overrated to then where 632 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 3: now you've got no shot to live up to those expectations. 633 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 3: I feel a little bad for the kid, So I'm 634 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 3: not personally rooting against him in any way, but the 635 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 3: NFL's actions have said he had an NFL player, And 636 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 3: my guess is, if you're dying to see Shadoor Sanders 637 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 3: playing an NFL game that matters, you're going to be 638 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 3: waiting for at least a year, because if you're fourth 639 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 3: on that depth chart, you're a long ways away from 640 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 3: actually playing meaningful football in the NFL. So I only 641 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 3: ask that big of a deal for the Browns. But 642 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: there's another one. Oh boy, I don't know how you 643 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: could be a fan of this team and then watch 644 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 3: this player, and actually it's really three teams if you 645 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: think about it, and not just have pain Every NFL 646 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: Sunday I'll tell you who I'm talking about next. 647 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: Danny parkins In for Colin. 648 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 3: This is the Herd. 649 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 6: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 650 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 6: and neonon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 651 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 6: FS one and the iHeartRadio. 652 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 3: App in difty states NMLS Consumer Access dot Org number 653 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 3: thirty thirty. Danny parkins In for Colin here on the Herd. 654 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 3: And you know we were just talking Shador Sanders and 655 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 3: the desert. 656 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 2: That is the Browns quarterback. 657 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 3: One of those pictures that always goes viral is that 658 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 3: fan with all the names of all the different quarterbacks 659 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 3: that have started there, going back to Tim Couch and beyond, 660 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 3: and it's just, you know, a quarterback wasteland in Cleveland. 661 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 2: I don't know how a Browns fan. 662 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 3: Could watch what Baker Mayfield has done in Tampa and 663 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: not just throw the remote against the TV like rage 664 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 3: quit in a video game and just turn it off. 665 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 3: And I know in Cleveland they gave Baker time, right, 666 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 3: I mean, he was there, he was there for four years, 667 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 3: he started thirteen games, then sixteen, then sixteen, then fourteen. 668 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they shortchanged him. 669 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 3: A number of games, but Baker Mayfield did win a 670 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 3: playoff game for them in twenty twenty. Baker Mayfield was 671 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 3: a guy who in Cleveland did have an eleven and 672 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 3: five season his third year. And then it was like, well, 673 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 3: Baker's the problem. I mean, Baker and Odell Becka, we 674 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 3: got it. There's a breakup here. We gotta choose. You 675 00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 3: chose poorly. And since then, right, Browns Panthers, Rams bounced 676 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 3: around former number one overall pick. 677 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: Was he too cocky? 678 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 3: Does he do the you know, show me the money 679 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 3: he plant in the flag at Oklahoma? Is he the 680 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 3: wrong type of guy to translate? Is he too small 681 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 3: to really put up anything in the NFL? Well, he 682 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 3: gets to Tampa and he consistently improves in every statistical category, dramatically, 683 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 3: immediately and consistently. Tw twenty twenty two Browns Panthers and Rams. 684 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 3: He goes eight and sixteen and completes sixty percent of 685 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: his passes. Last two years of the Bucks nineteen and fifteen, 686 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 3: completes sixty eight percent of his passes, passer rating over 687 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 3: one hundred with the Bucks. And he's found a home 688 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 3: and he got some contract stuff worked out here. We 689 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 3: can play him on it in just a second, and 690 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 3: he's under contract with Tampa. 691 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 2: Through next year. 692 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 3: But more so than just Baker and Tampa, I think 693 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 3: there's a lesson for the Browns and probably about fifteen 694 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 3: other teams in the league. But we'll start with the 695 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 3: news on Baker's contract right now. 696 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 10: It was you know, I'm under contract through twenty six, 697 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 10: so it was really just about getting guaranteed money for 698 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 10: twenty six and they did that, and that's that's all. 699 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 2: I can ask for. 700 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 10: I signed the contract and knew what it was. You know, 701 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 10: it's right now. It's winning, and I know good things 702 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 10: will happen after that. But I trust this place. I 703 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 10: love being here. Obviously used to bouncing around, I have 704 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 10: done that before, but I don't want to leave. 705 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 2: So it's how can we win right now? 706 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 10: We have a team that's really, really well built, and 707 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 10: Jason and those guys did it, and so if we 708 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 10: win right now, good things will happen. 709 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 3: The Bucks are probably the best organization in the NFL 710 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 3: that people just do not give credit for. They brought 711 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 3: everybody back On offense, They've been consistently a top ten 712 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 3: offense the last couple of years. They've had coordinators get 713 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 3: hired to be head coaches William Cohen, most notably this 714 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 3: past year, and they just keep on humming. And Baker 715 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 3: Mayfield is the single biggest reason why no player in 716 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 3: football has more passing touchdowns than Baker Mayfield. The last 717 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 3: two seasons, He's thrown for the second most passing yards 718 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 3: in the NFL the last two seasons. He's got the 719 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 3: fourth best passer rating in the NFL the last two seasons, 720 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 3: like Baker, Mayfield has been performing and producing statistically like 721 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 3: a top five quarterback in the NFL when he's got 722 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 3: a good support Tristan Wurfs is elite. Evans and Godwin 723 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 3: is a great duo. Bucky Irving's really talented, but no 724 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 3: one would say he's got the same supporting cast as 725 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 3: Detroit or Philly or some of the teams that we 726 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 3: put up in that up rechelon of total roster talent 727 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 3: in the NFL. 728 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 2: And then Chris Godwin went back to Tampa and. 729 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 3: Took thirty million dollars less than the Patriots were offering 730 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 3: him reportedly, if they're building something special down in Tampa, 731 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 3: especially on the offensive side of the ball. But when 732 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 3: I see Baker, I think about the Jets and Sam Donald? 733 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 3: How badly do the Jets wish this version of Sam 734 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 3: Donald was their quarterback? And I know, sometimes you need 735 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 3: to break up. You need to change the scenery. Right 736 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 3: if you see your ex happy on social media when 737 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 3: they get married to somebody else, if you're not jealous, 738 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 3: you're like, well, I know that they. 739 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 2: Weren't going to be able to be happy with me. 740 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 2: I was going to be happy with them. 741 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 3: Fine, Sometimes breakups need to happen, and change the sceneries 742 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 3: need to happen. I understand that, But there are so 743 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 3: many teams that I think for a long time, oh, 744 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 3: it's a sun cost, We've got to cut bait. If 745 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 3: I was the Colts, for example, and I had Anthony 746 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 3: Richardson and I drafted him fourth overall, and I knew 747 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 3: he was just this like unmolded piece of clay that 748 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 3: we had to develop, that it was going to take 749 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 3: time because he had played so little in college. And 750 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 3: he's just this really talented athlete who's arguably the best 751 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,919 Speaker 3: athlete of any quarterback in the NFL. And he codes 752 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 3: us these unbelievable things and he can Uncle Rico it 753 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 3: and throw the ball over the mountain but he's struggled 754 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 3: with his post snap processing. He's struggled most notably with 755 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 3: staying healthy and staying on the field. Seems like maybe 756 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 3: he only has a fastball, doesn't take the velocity off 757 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 3: to throws so much on some. 758 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 2: Of the shorter and intermediate routes. 759 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 3: I will be floored if the Colts, even if Daniel 760 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 3: Jones starts this year, and even if Daniel Jones played 761 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 3: all seventeen games this year and had a monica of success, 762 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 3: I will be floored if the Colts move off of 763 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson, cut him, trade him for a mid round pick, 764 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 3: whatever it would be, because I think they believe in 765 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 3: the talent, and I think good teams, good organizations, smart 766 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 3: organizations are paying attention and being like it takes a 767 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 3: while for this to work. It takes a while to develop. 768 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 3: Not everybody is Jaden Daniels, Not everybody is CJ. 769 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 2: Stroud. Those are outliers. It is two things can be true. 770 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 3: It can be getting easier to transition from college to 771 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,760 Speaker 3: the pros because the pro offenses are more like college offenses. 772 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 3: I think that is objectively true, but it is still 773 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 3: the pros and the raw you are as a talent 774 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 3: or the worse of a situation you go into, the 775 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 3: more instability, the worst coaching, whatever it may be. Baker 776 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 3: Mayfield should be the poster child for patience because he 777 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 3: is thirty and he just got thirty million more guaranteed 778 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 3: for next year. And Baker now looks like he's going 779 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 3: to be a starting quarterback in the league until he's 780 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 3: thirty seven, thirty eight years old, which a Browns fan 781 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 3: a Panthers fan, must be impossible for you to believe. 782 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 3: But coming up next, I'm consciously optimistic about the Steelers 783 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 3: this year. But I've been wrong many times before, and 784 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 3: I don't care how much Nick Wright makes fun of me. 785 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 2: I'll never quit you. Justin Herbert next to Herd