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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Chris Raymond, joined by Samantha Pravidi,

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Speaker 1: and in this episode we are going to do our

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Speaker 1: quarterback in tight end stock watch. So we'll give you

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Speaker 1: the guys at each position that we think are undervalued

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Speaker 1: according to early ADP and those that we think are

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Speaker 1: being overdrafted. Samantha, what's going on? Not much.

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Speaker 2: I just found out that I might be going to

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Speaker 2: But otherwise life has just been pretty normal, pretty quiet.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I like it Vegas for the draft. That'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: You can gonna get any betson. We have that podcast

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like there, night and Day is like

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Speaker 2: For being a procrastinator. So I got to pick some

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really like the three guys that you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was totally baffled why Tom Brady was basically

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Speaker 2: But Russell Wilson definitely feels pretty undervalued here at QB twelve.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that Denver goes out there and

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Speaker 1: All right, what about quarterbacks who are overvalued?

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Speaker 1: the past two seasons. He's just so incredibly important and

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00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: he makes Wizard better, he makes Cob better, he makes

434
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: anyone on that field better, Tonyon, because Adams is, you know,

435
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 1: drawing double teams on most plays, sometimes even triple teams,

436
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, depending on the type of coverage. So I

437
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: do think it's gonna hurt him a lot. He's still

438
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: a great quarterback, but you know, the loss of Adams

439
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: and then you also remember Nathaniel Hackett is in Denver

440
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: now with Russell Wilson. He's the head coach there, So

441
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: I mean you lose the top receiver and in the

442
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: game and the offensive coordinator, who remember, Rogers was kind

443
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: of he was met for like a couple of years

444
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: in there, and then Lafleur came and hack It came,

445
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: and as when Rodgers really turned it around and started

446
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: getting back to MVP form. Now I'm not saying that,

447
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: you know, they were solely responsible. Obviously Rodgers always had

448
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: it in and we'll be seen him do it before,

449
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: but those are the people who turned him around. And

450
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: now you have your your oc gune, you have your

451
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: top receiver gone and just getting up there in age

452
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: as well. So there could be like a kind of

453
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: more precipitous drop off with a guy like Rogers because

454
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: the bar is set so high and I kind of

455
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: worry that this may be that that year. So I

456
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: think I would rather take you know, Russ Watson, some

457
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: of the guys who can move around over over in

458
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at this stage, you know, because I just

459
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: don't see the receiving talent there for him to have

460
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: another MVP caliber season.

461
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not everyone can be Tom Brady and

462
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: play until the forty five. He is thirty eight at

463
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: this point, so and it just has no one around him,

464
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: So it's difficult to see a path there, Like would

465
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: you rather have Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady.

466
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not even close. I mean Tom Brady. But

467
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: let's be real, I mean, Tom Brady's probably in for

468
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: a drop off this year too. But if you're comparing

469
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: the two of them, just you know, weight career success.

470
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: The thing about Brady last year, for example, QB two

471
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: in points per game, Who do you have Mike Evans,

472
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown for a decent amount of games,

473
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski, So he's he had like an all time

474
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 1: great supporting cast Aaron Rodgers, he had DeVante Adams. DeVante

475
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: Adams was really that guy, you know, for Rodgers, And

476
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: it'd be silly to call Rodgers, you know, to disparage

477
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: his name because he's obviously a great quarterback to do

478
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: that with just one elite player, But at the same time,

479
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: you've taken that player away. And so like Tom Brady,

480
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 1: s does Mike Evans, Like you know what I mean,

481
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: even if Gronk doesn't come back and god wins out

482
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: and Brown is obviously gone, Tom Brady stilles Mike Evans,

483
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: whereas Rogers doesn't have anyone close to that caliber.

484
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Speaker 2: Receiver like Russell might be better than any of the

485
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: receivers on the Packers, right, Yeah, I.

486
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: Mean I think Russell Gage is better than cob at

487
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: this point. That would be the most one to one comparison.

488
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: I think Evans and Lazard are the closest comparison in

489
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: terms of what they do. But yeah, it's I mean

490
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: the cupboard. I mean, we're talking about Sammy Watkins maybe

491
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: starting for a team in twenty twenty two. So yeah,

492
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: not a good look for Rogers. Let's go to tight end.

493
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: Who do you like as undervalued at the tight end position? Yeah?

494
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: I also when you know, dredging at the bottom of

495
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: the barrel here for some guys. So you're going to

496
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: start with Rob Gronkowski at tight ended twenty three. Definitely

497
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 2: some uncertainty if he plays, but he did say if

498
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: he plays, it's going to be for the Bucks, which

499
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: he obviously has great chemistry with That whole team was

500
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: tight end ten last year, but tight end three on

501
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: a per game basis behind Andrews and Kelsey. So he

502
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: feels like a shoe in to be a top twelve

503
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 2: guy if he's going to be on the field. Obviously

504
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: that is somewhat of a gambled.

505
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: At this point. So but you know, I feel like

506
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: if you're drafting now, you got to take some gambles.

507
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: But next guy I'm going to talk about is Robert Tuanyan,

508
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: another one of the lone pass catchers that we can

509
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: like that we even know the names of on this Packers.

510
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: Team, but not necessarily a sexy name.

511
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: He is tightened twenty six on underdog edp missed nine

512
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: games last year with the Towny cl so good chance

513
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: he's gonna miss some time early season, but was the

514
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: tight end three and twenty twenty two in large part

515
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: to like an explosion with touchdowns. But you know we

516
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: were drafting him as a top twelve guy last year.

517
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: There's going to be less competition with Adam's gone, so

518
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: I mean, tight end twenty six, you're really getting him

519
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: pretty free at that point.

520
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: So just a name worth throwing out there because it's

521
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: Rogers has got to throw it to someone.

522
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: And then finally, the last guy I'm going to mention

523
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: is just Albert oh at tight end a thirty three.

524
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just free at that point, and it's

525
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: just a guy that I feel like it's worth taking

526
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: a shot on, right because Noah fans gone. They've got

527
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: an extremely upgraded offense. I feel like he could definitely

528
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: be a very solid tight end too, like a deeper

529
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: league type guy and a good guy for best ball

530
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: type formats.

531
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Speaker 1: Yeah, albert okaweb Na, I mean, this guy maybe more

532
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: talented than Noah Fan, And like that sounds blasphemous because

533
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, we look at the draft capital of each

534
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: of them, and no was highly drafted. Alberta was a

535
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. But I mean, I think that's part

536
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: of the reason they were they were willing to include

537
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: Fan in the deal is because I don't think they

538
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: have any issue with Albert Oh. He kind of carved

539
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: out a committee role in that offense even last year.

540
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, his underlying metrics are very good, and I

541
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: think he'll benefit from a you know, the upgraded quarterback.

542
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: So I think he's like probably the most underrated tight end,

543
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Like, I think he you know,

544
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: look at in the last two years he was tight

545
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: end twelve and tight end fourteen in points per game

546
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: and half PPR. I think Albert Oh could do that

547
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: or better. And he's got a better quarterback and now

548
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: you can get him essentially, like you said, free, Like

549
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: even if people are drafting three tight ends most people,

550
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: he probably won't get drafted because tight end thirty three

551
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: would mean like, you know, ten people have to in

552
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: the league out of twelve or so have to draft

553
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: three tight ends. So yeah, I would kind of just

554
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: gobble him up as my number two tight end anywhere

555
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: I could. He might even be starter worthy by the

556
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: time it's all said and done. So I really love

557
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: that one for me. I'm just going I just got one.

558
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz tight End thirteen. Everyone's you know, said zach

559
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: Ertz was washed, and in reality, Carson Wentz was washed,

560
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: and we saw zach Ertz, you know, kind of have

561
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: a resurgence even a little bit with Hurts last year,

562
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: but especially when he went to the Cardinals. He was

563
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: a tight end four from the trade to the end

564
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: of the season, so from Week seven on, and I

565
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: know DeAndre Hopkins was out for some of that. But

566
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: you look at the way Ertz produces at this stage,

567
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: and it's a lot of high volume reception games, you know,

568
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: seven catches for forty one yards, so half people are

569
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: full PPR. You're just not getting a tight end that's

570
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: going to get kind of command that kind of target

571
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: share and be running routes at that level. You know,

572
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: he was running routes, you know, seventy eighty percent of

573
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: the time with the Cardinals. I think he's gonna be

574
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: out there doing the same thing this year. I know

575
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: they just resigned AJ Green, but we saw him kind

576
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: of really fade down the stretch and it was only

577
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: a factor in a handful of games. So even if

578
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Hopkins is there, God went up targets. I think, you know,

579
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: obviously more will take a step forward. But Christian Kirk,

580
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: who was really their true number two ride receiver I

581
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: think in terms of talent for much of the year

582
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: and number one when Hopkins went down, he's gone. So

583
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: I think Ertz can still fill a pretty high volume

584
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: role for that Cardinal offense that likes to open it up,

585
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: spread you out, and go to fast tempo too. So

586
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: I think he's likely to finish as a top ten

587
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: tight end once again. And it's just the age. It's

588
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: people are kind of overlooking him because of the age.

589
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are definitely overlooking him, and they overlooked him

590
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: last year as well. It was just a matter of,

591
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: like I just I wanted to see what he was

592
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: going to do outside of that tight end committee that

593
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: he was in for so long and with the Eagles,

594
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: and you know, he was the more talented one I

595
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: think of that group, and he really did show what

596
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: he could provide for a team once he ended up

597
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: on the Cardinals. So I'm excited there, especially with some

598
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: targets vacated by Kirk leaving. All Right, I have one

599
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: overvalued tight end for you, and I already alluded to

600
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: him that it's going to be Mike Gasicki at.

601
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: Tight end eleven.

602
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: He was ten end eleven last year, but you know,

603
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: he has this kind of late season drop off sort

604
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: of issue that we've seen was Titan eighteen from Week

605
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: eight onward and did not find the end zone in

606
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: the final ten games of the season. Not to mention

607
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: that he's going to compete with Hill and Waddle four

608
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: targets here on a team that's not necessarily the highest

609
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: volume and doesn't have the highest octane quarterback. I mean,

610
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: we'll see, like what happens with Tua this year, because

611
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of question marks, but

612
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: Gasicki kind of feels like the guy that could hurt.

613
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: From this Hill acquisition the most.

614
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: A lot of people seem to think that like Wattle

615
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: was going to be knocked down a lot, but I

616
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: guess ADP doesn't really reflect that. So to me, you know,

617
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: like what I was talking about before with the two

618
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: of stuff, like, I just don't see it being realistic

619
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: that he's going to have, you know, two top ten

620
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: receivers and a top twelve tight end. So Kasiki feels

621
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: like a little bit of a reach for me.

622
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think a guy like zach Ertz is

623
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: i mean similar, almost similar skill sets. You know, both

624
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: guys can kind of line up in the slot and

625
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: do different things. But I would rather have zach Ertz

626
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: over Kasiki, and I mean maybe even Okawevuna, which just

627
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: shows how undervalued he is. But you know, at this point,

628
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: I think Kasiki is just going to kind of be

629
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: one of those many tight ends that yeah, maybe he

630
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: could be the tight end eleven, but he could also

631
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: be like the tight end twenty, and there's no point

632
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: in drafting him in this range when you can get

633
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: better value you know, rounds later. So I feel you

634
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: on that one. For me, I'm gonna go with Noah Fan.

635
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned where Albert Oh is going, and

636
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: then Noah Fan he's tight end twelve and ADP. He's

637
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: in Seattle. They have no quarterback. If they do get

638
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: a quarterback, it might be Baker Mayfield because I don't

639
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: see Jimmy g being traded in the division. So I mean,

640
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: that's not really that exciting. He was tight end fourteen

641
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: points per game last year, and the quarterback might be

642
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: the same. It might be Drew lock again. So it's

643
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, I don't see how Noah Fan really has

644
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: upgraded in his situation. If anything, he's got more players,

645
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: higher caliber players to compete with for targets in terms

646
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: of Metcalf and Lockett. As much as you know, I

647
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: think Judy and Sutton are talented players. You know, Metcalf

648
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Speaker 1: and Lockett obviously a step up in terms of caliber

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Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position. You know, no a Fan.

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Speaker 1: He's been He's always been solid, but he's never been great.

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Speaker 1: He's never top six hundred and seventy yards. He's never

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Speaker 1: topped four touchdowns in the season. That touchdown number is

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Speaker 1: crucial for tight ends, or at least the touchdown upside.

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Speaker 1: It's crucial for ends because it's so unpredictable. A lot

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Speaker 1: of tight ends are going to kind of cluster in

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Speaker 1: that you know, five to seven hundred yard range. But

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Speaker 1: if you don't have that ten touchdown upside, what are

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Speaker 1: you really doing. I just don't see how Seattle gets that,

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Speaker 1: no matter who's that quarterback for them in this upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: So no offense, I would fade him and take take

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Speaker 1: my boy at Alberta Your boy? Was it twenty one

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Speaker 1: spots later? Yeah, I'll do that every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he's had ten touchdowns in his three

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Speaker 2: season career, so not super super sexy there, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: could be Drew Locke throwing to him.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: It's disappointing because obviously he has all like the measurables

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Speaker 2: and like he came out as just such an awesome

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Speaker 2: prospect and he's ridiculously athletic and all of that, but

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Speaker 2: the situation has never been great for him, and I

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Speaker 2: just don't think this is better, so arguably worse. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm not high on him at all. I think he

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Speaker 2: definitely deserves to be outside of the top twelve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a few guys like that where they've

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Speaker 1: been like real exciting, they've been drafted high. I think,

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Speaker 1: like Evan Ingram comes to mind Najok who like he's

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Speaker 1: like athletic types who we just think are gonna who's

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Speaker 1: the guy with a few Oh, Eric Ebron a little

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Speaker 1: further back. It's like it's like some of them have

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Speaker 1: it and some of them just don't. And you kind

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Speaker 1: of know by now, like this is year four for

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Speaker 1: Noah fans, this isn't or not. He's not just like

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Speaker 1: an exciting prospect. We can still quote his like combine

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Speaker 1: metrics right right. You know we've seen him doing now

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Speaker 1: for three years in the NFL. This is kind of

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Speaker 1: what he is.

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Speaker 2: No I was definitely thinking of Evan Ingram as a

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Speaker 2: comparison here, like similar type guy where you like, you

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Speaker 2: just want him to succeed, but you're thinking of his

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Speaker 2: college performance. But I was, for a hot second I

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Speaker 2: thought that Kyle Pitts might be trending in the Noah

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Speaker 2: direction in the early season. But I'm kind of glad

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Speaker 2: that we're past that. Hopefully he doesn't get ruined by

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Speaker 2: whatever the Falcons do this season with quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think piss really got hurt by the Ridley's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of absence, because it turns earned Pits

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Speaker 1: into essentially like the number one priority for opposing defenses,

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Speaker 1: and you know that's tough for any receiver, but that's

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Speaker 1: especially tough for a rookie, and especially at the tight

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Speaker 1: end position, which you know, I know he played a

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Speaker 1: lot of receiver as well, but the tight end position

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Speaker 1: is just notoriously difficult to pick up on. So you're

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Speaker 1: dealing with essentially playing two positions, one of them extremely difficult,

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Speaker 1: and you're the number one priority of a posing defenses

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00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: and your quarterback is like falling off a cliff. So

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Speaker 1: you know, it was a tough situation for Pits the

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Speaker 1: tight end three this year. So I mean, you're not

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Speaker 1: getting any type of discount with him either right now.

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Speaker 1: But I was actually.

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Speaker 2: Surprised that there wasn't too much of a discount there

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Speaker 2: given sort of like the quarterback situation now. I think,

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Speaker 2: like a couple episodes ago, I may have talked about that,

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Speaker 2: like Marcus Mariota and Delaney Walker did have a connection,

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Speaker 2: and you know, Delaney Walker was pro bowler during those

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Speaker 2: years and everything, so he may not kill Pitts's stock,

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Speaker 2: but maybe I feel a little shakier with him at

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Speaker 2: Titan three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just you know, you're and I think the

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Speaker 1: one thing that early drafters do get right this time

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Speaker 1: of year is kind of aggressively buying those like year

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Speaker 1: two breakouts, and that's that's essentially what you're buying right here,

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Speaker 1: is that. But I agree, I think I think there

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Speaker 1: are some question marks, and you know, would I gladly

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Speaker 1: take George Kittle like later on over Kyle Pits, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Like it's just I feel like I'm just never going

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Speaker 1: to get to draft Kyle Pits. Like it's like it's

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Speaker 1: like last year he was overvalued and now he might

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Speaker 1: be a little overvalued again, I don't know yet, Like

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem egregiously so, but they're just there are

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Speaker 1: guys after him that it's like you could see putting

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Speaker 1: up better numbers.

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Speaker 2: So it took pit step four oh one in that

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Speaker 2: like titand premium scott Fish League, and I got roasted

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Speaker 2: for that. I don't even think that that's that much

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Speaker 2: of a reach for a tight end premium league, but

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Speaker 2: what whatever. But yeah, I mean, to your point, George

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Speaker 2: Kittle almost made it on this list because he's like

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Speaker 2: I think Titan five as slightly undervalued because I think

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Speaker 2: I'd probably rather I take him at like as high

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Speaker 2: as tight end three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and you know, we'll obviously flesh

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Speaker 1: these rankings out more as the as the off season progresses,

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Speaker 1: and we'll have a little more clarity after the draft.

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Speaker 1: And you know, with Kitto, I think the big question is,

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Speaker 1: you know, is it indeed going to be lanced starting

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Speaker 1: a quarterback? But yeah, as of right now, I mean

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Speaker 1: just when I see, you know, Pitts is the top

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Speaker 1: tenand on the board, but then I see Kittle is

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Speaker 1: ADP's like a round or two later, it's like I'm

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Speaker 1: not really taking Pits. So that's yeah, I feel you

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Speaker 1: on that. But that's that's going to wrap it up

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Speaker 1: for us quarterbacks, tight ends, overvalued, undervalued. I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys got some good information out of this podcast. You

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Speaker 1: of course can follow us on Twitter at Samantha NFL

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Speaker 1: draft stuff to get you ready for that, So stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for that, and until next time, let's get this money.

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