Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama Girl drama girl,
Speaker 2: all about them.
Speaker 3: High school queens.
Speaker 4: We'll take you for a ride. And our comic girl
Speaker 4: cheered for the right teams.
Speaker 2: Drama Queens girl fashion, but your tough girl, you could
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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queise Drama, Queens Drama, Drahna Queens
Speaker 1: Drama Queens.
Speaker 4: Six o two. You guys, we opened season six with
Speaker 4: so much levity, everybody's ever the best I've ever.
Speaker 2: Jumping around cactuses and bedrooms and.
Speaker 3: So much joy, happiness.
Speaker 4: And then it was a different shows so too, like
Speaker 4: Brook Davis, what happened.
Speaker 5: To you guys? It's really bad.
Speaker 4: It's bad. Do you guys feel gross?
Speaker 3: Well, you know what I was gonna say. Drives me
Speaker 3: crazy because they color timed our show so warm, so
Speaker 3: like all the colors would really really you know, saturate warmer.
Speaker 3: So I remember how good all this prosthetic makeup looked
Speaker 3: in person, and then on the show, I feel like
Speaker 3: it looks like they just smashed like cherries and raspberries
Speaker 3: into my face, like everything's magenta.
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, Also, the bruises looked gnarly, like the color
Speaker 2: of bruises like fresh fresh like that. They look really bad.
Speaker 2: So it was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was pretty gross. I remember Rocky
Speaker 3: and I are our wonderful makeup artists who did all
Speaker 3: the special effects stuff, going through like books of photos
Speaker 3: of actual bruises and like injuries.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I remember you had that book.
Speaker 5: That was it was.
Speaker 2: He used to take those photos and people would send
Speaker 2: them to him. It was like a literal pick flip
Speaker 2: through a picture book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like special effects makeup artists would trade photos
Speaker 3: and for years after we did this episode, anytime I
Speaker 3: would get hurt or like see someone with a bruise,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, can.
Speaker 4: I take a picture of that? And I'd text it
Speaker 4: to Rocky game I did too, for like tell people
Speaker 4: at home who Rocky was. Like. For years we had
Speaker 4: two female makeup artists on our show because it was
Speaker 4: a very chick heavy show. But by season six we
Speaker 4: had two male makeup artists. Yeah, we had Tim and
Speaker 4: Rocky different as night and day.
Speaker 2: The beauty makeup on this show looked amazing too. By
Speaker 2: the way, on this episode, which I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: Tim is all over this. You could just see it.
Speaker 2: I mean, Hillary, your skin was flawless like all of
Speaker 2: our I felt like my skin was glowing like it
Speaker 2: never had.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your ie makeup was tight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys are so creative.
Speaker 4: No Rocky since working with us in Tree Hill has
Speaker 4: gone on to win so many awards. He just did
Speaker 4: the Fall of the House of Usher that everyone's raving about.
Speaker 5: So cool.
Speaker 4: He's like done everything. He's the special he's the special
Speaker 4: effects guy. But how he ended up doing beauty makeup
Speaker 4: on one Tree Hill was beyond us because he's like
Speaker 4: this dude with a mustache and a shaved head, pretty goth,
Speaker 4: and we were all like, I mean, okay, We're like,
Speaker 4: hey dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the sweetest though. He just had such a sweet,
Speaker 2: like happy disposition, you know, just.
Speaker 3: Like wide eyed and so soft spoken.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There's something so charming to me about men that are
Speaker 3: that physically big, like that could be intimidating. Who come
Speaker 3: in real gentle and talk to you like this and
Speaker 3: you just know, oh hi, you know things? You know secrets,
Speaker 3: don't you.
Speaker 4: It looks so good though, and I I don't know,
Speaker 4: I just I can't say that I didn't like this episode,
Speaker 4: but I just had a pit in my stomach the
Speaker 4: whole time, And then it dawned on me that when
Speaker 4: this originally aired, people had to wait a whole week
Speaker 4: with this ball of like anxiety in their throat. How
Speaker 4: why do we do that to people? That's cruel, brutal.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's why we like to binge watch
Speaker 3: shows now?
Speaker 5: Just to calm down?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, who's gonna go to work tomorrow after watching
Speaker 4: this episode and be like, no, I have.
Speaker 5: Great week now?
Speaker 2: No I'm not okay?
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's tell the fans what it is,
Speaker 3: because we really dove in y'all were talking about episode
Speaker 3: six oh two, one million billionth of a millisecond on
Speaker 3: a Sunday morning. The synopsis is that after Lucas and
Speaker 3: Peyton enjoy planning their dream wedding, Brook and Peyton reconnect,
Speaker 3: Nathan works with Quinn. By the way, it wasn't your
Speaker 3: dream wedding, you bailed on it, but we'll get there.
Speaker 3: Block and Peyton reconnect. Nathan works with Quinnon on his
Speaker 3: basketball skills, but Hayley is worried for Nathan's well being
Speaker 3: and reeling from a threat to her store. Brooke reaches
Speaker 3: out to an unexpected ally. The punctuation in this synopsis
Speaker 3: is all over the place. Jamie catches Antoine and Deb kissing.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, did I like that part?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: All right, kids, where do we want to even begin?
Speaker 2: This was a weird episode because it was so much
Speaker 2: lightheartedness and then so much really, really really over the
Speaker 2: top and tense drama at the same time. And we
Speaker 2: were bouncing back and forth. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: I were a writer in that room, if I would
Speaker 2: have known how to do any better. But I felt
Speaker 2: what you were saying, Hillary, I really wanted to like
Speaker 2: this episode, and I felt like I did, but there
Speaker 2: was so much back and forth it was hard for
Speaker 2: me to stay on top of.
Speaker 4: It occurred to me. I remember having a conversation with
Speaker 4: our boss that he was super into Sons of Anarchy,
Speaker 4: like that's what he felt he should be writing that
Speaker 4: kind of content. And I'm watching that kind of like
Speaker 4: darkness sift in to our show. And I mean, we're
Speaker 4: all influenced by things that we watch in our free time.
Speaker 4: I mean, as actors, we do that in our performances.
Speaker 4: We're like, oh, that's cool. I want to put that
Speaker 4: in my bag of tricks. This is another show infiltrating
Speaker 4: ours and it's the exact the opposite end of the
Speaker 4: TV spectrum, right, Like I'm trying to think, like what
Speaker 4: other mash up with one Tree Hill could have been
Speaker 4: more awkward? Sons of an anarchy in Tree Hill? If
Speaker 4: a motorcycle gang comes through to beat up anyone else? Uh,
Speaker 4: do we think that dude was in in the suns, the.
Speaker 2: Guy that killed Quenton?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was definitely in a bike gang.
Speaker 2: Yeah behavior Yeah, okay, So maybe I've forgotten or I'm
Speaker 2: missing it. When Quentin looked up and saw that he
Speaker 2: was there and said, have a nice night. Why was
Speaker 2: Robbie so sorry? Why was Quentin so freaked out? Like
Speaker 2: how did he know something bad was happening to him?
Speaker 3: Because he saw the guy like likely dead, there's a
Speaker 3: bloody body, like in the back of the behind the counter.
Speaker 2: I stepped out of the room for a second. I
Speaker 2: was finishing up my makeup, and then I walked in.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what, Okay, so he saw something
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have seen.
Speaker 4: So we're bookended by all this violence, Like we see
Speaker 4: Brooke getting beat up again in the recap, and then
Speaker 4: we've got violence again at the end, and it does
Speaker 4: make it hard to enjoy the middle of the sandwich.
Speaker 4: But what were our favorite parts of this Tree Hill Sandwich?
Speaker 4: Like you said, the Jamie, the Jamie Ketcheen skills and
Speaker 4: deb at the top of the episode.
Speaker 5: Brilliant, So good sony.
Speaker 4: Do people just kiss all the time?
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 2: Just cringing watching her tell him his reality is not real. No,
Speaker 2: that is not what you saw. It's absolutely not true.
Speaker 2: He's like, because I think it'd be great. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: I guess it's all right then.
Speaker 4: Yeah. There's so many like bait and switches with skills
Speaker 4: in this episode where he thinks Hayley's onto him in
Speaker 4: the beginning, where she's like, I know why you're here,
Speaker 4: and Antoine has such an earnest look on his face.
Speaker 4: His performance in this episode was so great because he's funny,
Speaker 4: but there's a there's a puppy dog quality to Antoine's
Speaker 4: eyes when they go real soft and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: he wants Haley to know, like he wants to be
Speaker 4: found out so that the secret can be enjoyed, and
Speaker 4: just like great, like we're together, we're a real couple,
Speaker 4: not a sneaky couple anymore.
Speaker 2: I love that Antoine is so he was so earnest
Speaker 2: and it felt like he wasn't playing for the camera
Speaker 2: those moments of comedy when it's real and it's not
Speaker 2: but I'm like, set up, set up joke. He's just
Speaker 2: completely in his body and just one little look cracked
Speaker 2: me up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was also just so much fun to see over
Speaker 3: and over again that that sort of moment, you know,
Speaker 3: the inhale when you wonder if you're caught, and it's
Speaker 3: nice to see Antoine having that again and again with
Speaker 3: you and with Nathan, and like it just keeps coming
Speaker 3: and it's so I don't know, the payoff feels bigger
Speaker 3: because it ties through the whole episode. Sometimes on shows
Speaker 3: where we have this many cast members, people get one
Speaker 3: scene to process something. And I love that they're really
Speaker 3: making a meal of this for Antoine and Barbara because
Speaker 3: the materials just so good and they really are just
Speaker 3: so like you said, Joy, they're in their bodies, they're present,
Speaker 3: they're funny, and it is a delight.
Speaker 5: To watch.
Speaker 4: Well him in the stands with Nathan, you know, like
Speaker 4: Haley's almost found him out. And then let's talk about breakfast,
Speaker 4: like breakfast, come on, let's talk about breakfast. And then
Speaker 4: Nathan is all like, dude, are you sneaking around with
Speaker 4: some hot chick that you're not telling us about? And
Speaker 4: it's like, oh god, somebody just say it. And the
Speaker 4: child knows. The child knows, child knows, and he's taunting
Speaker 4: Uncle skills God pass.
Speaker 2: And later in the episode when that Deb's like, I've
Speaker 2: been having sex and then Haley's like she's been having
Speaker 2: sex on Nathan's face. Oh gross, mom, hilarious. I can't
Speaker 2: wait for this payoff. I'm really excited, and I do
Speaker 2: I agree that I like that they're drawing it out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was one of my favorites. I loved. I loved
Speaker 2: also Barbara and Brooke Sorry, Deb and Brooke. I loved
Speaker 2: the just sort of the unlikely partnership of and Brooke
Speaker 2: needing a mom in that moment and Debs showing up
Speaker 2: to be a mom. It felt like it could not
Speaker 2: have been more perfect relationally, like that's exactly what she needed.
Speaker 4: Baby, you had to go so dark in this storyline
Speaker 4: and you know you're not funny at all, which is
Speaker 4: you know, that was how Brooke came in. She I'm
Speaker 4: the comedic relief. You know, what did you have to
Speaker 4: do for this because I'm so you're looking at like
Speaker 4: bruise books of other battered women with Rocky. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: know what was the process it?
Speaker 3: You know, it's really interesting and god, it feels so
Speaker 3: heavy to look back at. You know, we've all talked
Speaker 3: about this, how our characters did so many adult things
Speaker 3: at such young ages that we had to guess. You know, Joy,
Speaker 3: I remember you talking about that when Haley and Nathan
Speaker 3: have Jamie and being like, I don't know what it's
Speaker 3: like to have a kid. You know, it's interesting to
Speaker 3: look at this as women who are forty having had
Speaker 3: versions of experiences with violence. I just hadn't had that
Speaker 3: at this age yet, and so it was a strange
Speaker 3: thing of having to try to find material to watch.
Speaker 3: Like two, I remember watching like old episodes of Intervention
Speaker 3: and listening to people who were talking about addiction, talking
Speaker 3: about how that was a byproduct of violence. Finding articles
Speaker 3: to read and you know, sources of people's real experience
Speaker 3: and it did. It felt so heavy to kind of
Speaker 3: hold all these stories I'd collected for this episode that
Speaker 3: I think you can at least looking at it. I
Speaker 3: sort of feel that transference, like I know there's something
Speaker 3: real behind this, even though at the time I felt
Speaker 3: like it was other people's stories I was telling. And
Speaker 3: it's strange. It's like, even listening to myself talk, I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I sound different. Like the heaviness of
Speaker 3: it feels like it like weighed down on my voice.
Speaker 3: It's bizarre how that stuff can kind of get in you.
Speaker 4: I think I could feel like the pressure on you
Speaker 4: in this because at this point we'd already done all
Speaker 4: the psychoederic stuff, and we had already had fans approach
Speaker 4: us on the street and say I've been assaulted in
Speaker 4: real life, and watching you guys do this is helping
Speaker 4: me process like what happened in my life. And so
Speaker 4: it's one thing when you shoot that and you don't
Speaker 4: have that fan response in your head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't know what.
Speaker 4: You're like, I'm just telling a story. But once that
Speaker 4: gets in your head and you're like, no, I'm telling
Speaker 4: someone at home's story and if I fuck it up,
Speaker 4: like it's going to hurt their healing process.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I just feel like all the distance and weight
Speaker 4: and responsibility on you in this episode because it's uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: It was just uncomfortable to watch because it felt real
Speaker 4: and like, I don't like the distance between Peyton and Brook.
Speaker 4: That made me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not used to seeing Brook in that space at all.
Speaker 3: No, and that awkwardness between us when you come home
Speaker 3: and you have all this happiness and I have to
Speaker 3: cover it is it's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Was it hard for you to come out of that
Speaker 2: at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just remember how dark this whole period felt.
Speaker 3: And I will say one of the things that was
Speaker 3: really helpful was having the process of getting out of
Speaker 3: the prosthetics at the end of the night, because it
Speaker 3: takes a long time. They have to put solution on
Speaker 3: and they have to start dissolving and you know, they're
Speaker 3: sealed into your skin. So like the removal process took
Speaker 3: over an hour, and so there was something that I
Speaker 3: had to learn to do mentally, where like literally watching
Speaker 3: Rocky take all that stuff off my face and participating
Speaker 3: in the removal of it had to be like I
Speaker 3: have to take this off and leave it here. I
Speaker 3: have to try to leave this at work, but it
Speaker 3: does you know, it's the weird part of our jobs.
Speaker 3: I think it gets in your body. And when you
Speaker 3: start to learn about you know, somatic work, and you
Speaker 3: go through a version of this and you do research
Speaker 3: and work on trauma, like you understand that even if
Speaker 3: if something happens to your physical body.
Speaker 4: If you get tackled by a man, yeah.
Speaker 3: Like it happens to your brain.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so it what we do, even though it's quote
Speaker 3: unquote pretend leaves like real scars and it's wild, you
Speaker 3: know when you think about it. Nobody talked to us
Speaker 3: about this stuff back then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cheryl Lee. Cheryl Lee told me back then, and
Speaker 4: I didn't know what the hell she was saying. Wo.
Speaker 4: We were doing so much crying, and she was she
Speaker 4: was so clear. She was like, it's not real, but
Speaker 4: your body thinks it's real. Okay, so your brain is
Speaker 4: like okay, it was just my job. Fine, it's stuck
Speaker 4: in you. And I was just like, what is she
Speaker 4: talking about? But now you know, because we've got all
Speaker 4: these books, yeah, gests some things to help us. Now.
Speaker 2: I did a pilot and there was a sequence where
Speaker 2: in the show, it was a sequence where you showed
Speaker 2: my character and she was coming home with a different
Speaker 2: guy every few nights. Or she was just having fun
Speaker 2: living in the city. But we had to shoot all
Speaker 2: of those sequences in the same day, and so I
Speaker 2: spent seven out six seven hours in a day doing
Speaker 2: all this kind of intense sexual stuff with all like
Speaker 2: up against a window with no shirt, laying in bed,
Speaker 2: rolling around pretending like I'm screened, some guy in a staircase.
Speaker 2: It was all of these moments, one after another with
Speaker 2: all these different guys, and I was just thinking, like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 2: it'll be a day. It's gonna be like, hey, maybe
Speaker 2: it'll be fun, you know. And I got home and
Speaker 2: my boyfriend was like, I wanted to cuddle. I was like,
Speaker 2: you cannot touch me. I feel so this is so
Speaker 2: unnatural for me, and I just had. I got in
Speaker 2: the shower, I just had. I was like I had
Speaker 2: to cry it out. I was like, don't touch me
Speaker 2: for like a day. I just need. It's weird. And
Speaker 2: I just thought, Oh, it'll be nothing. We're just acting,
Speaker 2: and it should be. It should shouldn't be a thing,
Speaker 2: you know, But it's weird. It gets in your body,
Speaker 2: it really does.
Speaker 4: Maybe it just gets in our head because it's the
Speaker 4: idea that it could happen, right it's like this person
Speaker 4: picked me up and vaulted me. And I didn't know
Speaker 4: that I could be vaulted, and clearly I can, Like
Speaker 4: I did Secret Life of Bees where Paul Betty beats
Speaker 4: the out of me. In front of it was Barbara
Speaker 4: Allenwood's daughter. It was her daughter who was playing little
Speaker 4: Dakota Fanning hiding in the closet. Was she there for that? Yes,
Speaker 4: oh my yes, because you see through us to her
Speaker 4: in the poset, and so they had two different little
Speaker 4: girls playing the little girl in the closet, and so
Speaker 4: it was Barbara's daughter for half the time. And that's
Speaker 4: a child that knows me, watching me get hurt, and
Speaker 4: it's all pretend, but it didn't feel pretend because it
Speaker 4: felt like I have to go protect this little girl
Speaker 4: from this, you know, this reality that we don't want
Speaker 4: her to think could ever happen, you know, like it
Speaker 4: was just so it's such a weird, dumb job. It
Speaker 4: sounds stupid to complain about it because it's our job, right,
Speaker 4: but it also just kind of messes with your reality,
Speaker 4: and well, the reality of brook in this is just
Speaker 4: like I feel like deb in this where I'm sick
Speaker 4: to my stomach, and I'm like, kid, whatever you want,
Speaker 4: you want a gun, We'll get you. Like, whatever you want,
Speaker 4: I will get for you in this moment.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting though, like I get your I
Speaker 3: get the instinct to be like, it sounds so silly,
Speaker 3: it's our job. Why would we complain about it? But
Speaker 3: I do think we just happen to be in a
Speaker 3: moment in like the learning of what it is to
Speaker 3: be human now than it was ten years ago, let
Speaker 3: alone twenty years ago. We know more about what happens
Speaker 3: to your body, what happens to your brain, what imprints
Speaker 3: on you, And I do think I think it's part
Speaker 3: of the reason that we're having these sort of reckonings
Speaker 3: in our industry and in so many industries, and people
Speaker 3: are like, wait a second, what is required to do
Speaker 3: a job?
Speaker 4: What are our boundaries? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And also how would we do it differently? Like I
Speaker 3: think about this a lot, and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: if we were in charge of a bunch of twenty
Speaker 3: year olds on a show like Hours, I'd want to
Speaker 3: make sure we had therapists on set during episodes like this.
Speaker 3: I want to make sure, you know, people were like
Speaker 3: doing some sort of a stretch class on their lunch break,
Speaker 3: like to get this stuff out of their bodies. But
Speaker 3: nobody taught us that.
Speaker 2: Then, no, we didn't know to ask for Artists are
Speaker 2: just supposed to shut up and suffer well.
Speaker 3: And then you go, maybe this is the reason that
Speaker 3: everybody winds up with, like since abuse problems, like everyone's.
Speaker 4: Drinking so hard. Yeah, so that means be gentle to
Speaker 4: teen drama actors. You guys, you know, just nice to
Speaker 4: each other. That said, you did a beautiful job and
Speaker 4: it should have been unnerving. And I remember it being
Speaker 4: important to you that Brooke looked terrible and not sexy. Yes,
Speaker 4: Like there's a there's a trend in some TV shows
Speaker 4: where it's like I got punched, but it's a sexy
Speaker 4: punch that split my lips, so I've got a pout. Yeah,
Speaker 4: no sexy bruises here. These were gross.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was upsetting. I even I didn't love you know,
Speaker 3: there's like a scene where I'm in like boy shorts
Speaker 3: and a tank top and you see all the bruises
Speaker 3: on the arms and legs and stuff in bed in
Speaker 3: the morning, and I didn't want to do that. I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't think we need I don't want
Speaker 3: her to be in like cute little pajamas, but they
Speaker 3: were like, well we got to see the bruises, so like, yeah,
Speaker 3: do you want to be in small pajamas in bed
Speaker 3: or do you want us to like shoot a scene
Speaker 3: of you in the shower. And I was like, well,
Speaker 3: that's off the table, so I guess it'll be pajamas
Speaker 3: in the bed.
Speaker 2: But they could have had you laying in bed with
Speaker 2: sweatpants that were pulled at like one leg was up
Speaker 2: high because you were sleeping, and as you pull the
Speaker 2: sweatpants down, you see all the bruises on your leg.
Speaker 2: Like there's ways to get around that. But I was
Speaker 2: less offended.
Speaker 4: By you being in bed in your underwear because it
Speaker 4: meant that you were just like locked in your space
Speaker 4: and you knew that you weren't coming out and no
Speaker 4: one else was coming in. Then I was the first
Speaker 4: scene where we saw you in this episode where you're
Speaker 4: in a silky blouse and a mini skirt like Brooke
Speaker 4: Davis like got dressed in the day after getting beat up. Well,
Speaker 4: those are the clothes I got beat up in. They
Speaker 4: are Yeah, that was the.
Speaker 3: Outfit I was in at Closeover bros. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: whatn't the first thing you do when you come home
Speaker 3: to get out of these clothes?
Speaker 2: But yeah, sweatpants like hide.
Speaker 4: Your shirt was like ripped, and yeah, I just know
Speaker 4: Davis needs to be in like the biggest T shirt ever. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 4: I'm very angry with Peyton Sawyer this episode because she
Speaker 4: comes in the house. I'm furious with Paytser. She comes
Speaker 4: in the house and gets a dumb story about Brook
Speaker 4: falling down the stairs and Brooke has clear handprints on
Speaker 4: her neck, Like that's bad friend zone, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Peyton's on cloud nine. She just can't see.
Speaker 3: It's gotta love goggles on. They're like beer goggles, only
Speaker 3: the red ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's that handprint on your neck? Is that where
Speaker 4: you grabbed yourself when you were falling down the stairs.
Speaker 3: So that's how you kept yourself from breaking your neck.
Speaker 3: You're so smart.
Speaker 2: Just I have a question though, do we think that
Speaker 2: Brooke knew I mean the fact that her designs were stolen?
Speaker 2: Did you decide that you knew ahead of time, like
Speaker 2: right away that this was something Victoria had set up,
Speaker 2: or like, why else would your designs be stolen right
Speaker 2: in the moment when she had been threatening that exactly.
Speaker 3: And that's that's the idea, right, is that she thinks
Speaker 3: the at least I remember the sort of like character
Speaker 3: motivation for me in that scene with Deb when she
Speaker 3: is being maternal. You know, you have these two sort
Speaker 3: of broken women who don't know how to do this.
Speaker 3: When Deb is like, we've got to call the cops, honey,
Speaker 3: that's why Brooke says no, yeah, because to her, she's thinking,
Speaker 3: my mom hired someone to come in and steal from me,
Speaker 3: and I was here late and I got my ass beat,
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to let her win, Like I'm
Speaker 3: not going to cause this pr nightmare for myself and
Speaker 3: then have everyone find out my own mom did this
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 5: So she knows.
Speaker 2: So she knows.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what she thinks anyway.
Speaker 5: Like she knows.
Speaker 3: It adds, I think to a layer of that like
Speaker 3: detac because for her, she's thinking, like, truly, the thing
Speaker 3: my mom cares most about is the business and the money,
Speaker 3: and it it adds, I think to that darkness. And
Speaker 3: it's interesting that Deb, you know, Deb doesn't see it.
Speaker 3: She would never think that Peyton doesn't think anything's wrong.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't tell her, so that this sort of covering
Speaker 3: that she's doing I think added some of that heaviness
Speaker 3: you were talking about.
Speaker 4: Hell well, speaking of goggles, where is everyone in the town?
Speaker 4: Close over? Bros is made entirely of windows, and everyone's
Speaker 4: walking by this mess and no one's like problem here
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 3: Heart of downtown, and everyone's like DIRP to DIRP to
Speaker 3: dirr dir.
Speaker 2: And it's so obvious that Peyton's not going to know
Speaker 2: within and everybody had the way that news in tree
Speaker 2: Hill travels so fast to everybody all over the fact
Speaker 2: that Peyden doesn't know already, hasn't heard, and the Brook's
Speaker 2: trying to keep it from her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the fact that no one knows this, it's so bizarre,
Speaker 4: you guys. There was a restaurant in Wilmington that got
Speaker 4: busted up. I was about I knew it got so
Speaker 4: they smashed the plate glass window in the front of
Speaker 4: the restaurant and then they broke in and they busted
Speaker 4: up the entire wine collection in this restaurant. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: you guys, we knew about it with him forty five
Speaker 4: minutes of that happening. The entire town knew because you went,
Speaker 4: you walked by it. You drove past, you know, like
Speaker 4: it was. It was in a hustle and bustle area,
Speaker 4: and so the idea that everyone just walking past that
Speaker 4: mess and close over rows.
Speaker 2: There's not enough shot, Like nobody's coming in to shop.
Speaker 2: The door is open, she left it unlocked because Dev
Speaker 2: walks right in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Samantha there. I did.
Speaker 2: I did love though, to continue on with Peyton.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: I do love seeing Peyton happy. It's nice after after everything.
Speaker 4: But it doesn't it make you feel a little sad
Speaker 4: because she's just so eager, like it's your most eager
Speaker 4: baby energy of just like he finally loves me, He
Speaker 4: finally loves me. Right, Okay, I started right now. She's like,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say no to anything. You want
Speaker 4: to move in, cool, You want to get married somewhere else,
Speaker 4: that's cool too. You like sandwiches. I like sandwiches too.
Speaker 2: Like it is such.
Speaker 4: Strong yes man energy, which like, I love it. Fine,
Speaker 4: I'm totally okay with it, especially for a young person
Speaker 4: that's been dealt such a Shand.
Speaker 3: You know what's killing me as you say this, as
Speaker 3: I'm realizing it's runaway bride and reverse.
Speaker 4: Already run and run and run and run, and now
Speaker 4: she's like, whatever.
Speaker 5: Kind of eggs you want?
Speaker 4: I like those too, Let's go yeah strong, yes man energy, Uh, which.
Speaker 2: Is But I'm a little like I was, So it's
Speaker 2: strange for me to adjust to Peyton and Lucas finally
Speaker 2: being together. Actually, as I'm watching it, I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: hard for me to believe that it's real and it's
Speaker 2: finally happening. I'm so used to him, you know, digging
Speaker 2: around with other.
Speaker 4: People, taking out well, and that they're actually like gonna
Speaker 4: live together, and it never occurred to me that they
Speaker 4: never had, Like them being in this hotel room is
Speaker 4: the first time they're like living together, yeah, and just
Speaker 4: spending all day together because she left right after high school.
Speaker 4: So that's right, that was weird. But lesson here is
Speaker 4: when you finally get the thing that you wanted and
Speaker 4: have fun. Man, if he wants to jump on the bed,
Speaker 4: jump on the bed.
Speaker 2: Jump on the bed, great shot with those cactuses behind you.
Speaker 2: I really loved that choice of art.
Speaker 5: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: I just thought it looked so great. We were jumping
Speaker 4: on that bed for seven hours in the duration of
Speaker 4: this episode, because we're jumping on the bed, and then
Speaker 4: you guys go to school, and then there's basketball practice,
Speaker 4: and then smother happens at the end of the school
Speaker 4: and you're jumping on the bed. M yeah, man, this
Speaker 4: is how I paid my mortgage jumping on the bed.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: I'm not unhappy with it, Jamie.
Speaker 2: It was cute though, the back and forth between you
Speaker 2: guys and Jamie jumping on the bed, it was very sweet.
Speaker 4: Well, and then you delivering like the Moira line like
Speaker 4: Hailey was also, it was really good place in this episode.
Speaker 2: She was very Karen in this episode yeare yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which just made it that much like weirder that
Speaker 4: everyone else was. The throes of terror, Dan included, Hailey
Speaker 4: and Peyton are just like do do do do do?
Speaker 4: Tree Hill's awesome. That's what I think is So.
Speaker 3: The episode gives me a little bit of whiplash because
Speaker 3: I am enjoying watching you guys so much. I am
Speaker 3: loving the Jamie and Quinton storyline. I love learning more
Speaker 3: about Quentin, the fact that he wants to be a dad,
Speaker 3: he has a little brother, Robbie. He's just God, He's
Speaker 3: so alive and beautiful. And and then you've got Brooke
Speaker 3: and Dan in like the Seventh Circle of Hell, and
Speaker 3: I'm just like, shouldn't we have maybe done a two
Speaker 3: parter for this?
Speaker 4: Is just should they have been split? Maybe It's like
Speaker 4: the cockroaches and it's just a lot like, am I
Speaker 4: supposed to laugh? Am I supposed to cry?
Speaker 2: Am I supposed to cringe?
Speaker 5: Am I?
Speaker 4: Oh? No? Man?
Speaker 2: How am I supposed to feel right now? Although I
Speaker 2: did really, really really love Dan finally speaking and telling
Speaker 2: her brand sucks and a lashing at her, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was kind of great.
Speaker 5: It was really great.
Speaker 3: Her realizing what the Beeper's for was great. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it just you couldn't settle in either the joy or
Speaker 3: the fear for long enough, so it was really it
Speaker 3: was like getting rattled around.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I wanted a roller coaster of like ups and downs.
Speaker 4: We were a little bit smooth and flowed together, and
Speaker 4: instead we just had like elevator drops, like Tower of Terror.
Speaker 4: There's the name of this episode, Tower of Terror. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the the Nanny Carey stuff felt to me like we
Speaker 4: just really loved Tory and wanted to keep Tory around
Speaker 4: at any cost because it is so unhinged and I'm
Speaker 4: confused still, while why Dan couldn't talk for like a
Speaker 4: long time, and it's just kind of like Frankenstein's Monster, like,
Speaker 4: but then once he starts talking, it's like he doesn't
Speaker 4: stay Yeah, yeah, he's just really on a roll. What
Speaker 4: is the physical injury that kept him from talking? I
Speaker 4: don't know. I guess just being hit by a car.
Speaker 3: He had some I remember her saying like, ooh, you
Speaker 3: can't talk, like you know something about your neck from that.
Speaker 4: Like oh you remember?
Speaker 3: It was like a really weird line of exposition.
Speaker 2: Was like don't try and talk, you can't, you won't
Speaker 2: be able to You're yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I wonder if Paul did Paul have like a.
Speaker 2: Did he did he have laryngitis or something like why
Speaker 2: wouldn't I guess maybe they could have just written it in.
Speaker 2: I just assumed that maybe he couldn't speak for some reason.
Speaker 3: I think they just wrote it in because they wanted
Speaker 3: this sort of payoff. But to it's one of those
Speaker 3: things whereas an actor, like you read that and you
Speaker 3: go off because they go you can't talk because you
Speaker 3: have a crush injury to your neck from getting run over,
Speaker 3: and you're like, do I because my neck looks the
Speaker 3: same because I didn't actually get run over and people
Speaker 3: are going to watch this and think I look like
Speaker 3: an idiot, and like it's like I could see and
Speaker 3: there's Paul. He does he commits to the bit, and
Speaker 3: he did it so well and he played it so hard.
Speaker 3: And then when he finally.
Speaker 4: Speaks, like his voice is going back. He's so committed
Speaker 4: and he's so good and is.
Speaker 3: Viewer, you're like, his neck looks the same as it
Speaker 3: did when he was like out working out in season
Speaker 3: five when he was healthy. He's fine, he's fine, but
Speaker 3: you have to suspend the disbelief.
Speaker 4: The thing that broke the damn for Dan Scott was
Speaker 4: when she's like lording over him and she says something
Speaker 4: about like too bad you're not young and hot, and
Speaker 4: the look on Paul's face was like, we both know
Speaker 4: that's not true. Like he looked at her like we know, yeah.
Speaker 2: He's greatd just face acting now, I know you're full
Speaker 2: of shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm so good looking. He's so good looking.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: The look on his face when she threw the beeper
Speaker 2: against the wall, though, that really got me the realization that, oh,
Speaker 2: now I actually can't even get my heart transplant if
Speaker 2: I needed to because I won't know and it was
Speaker 2: a split second. It happened so fast. Just he's always
Speaker 2: fine in the little nuggets everywhere. Also, why Toy and
Speaker 2: I have the exact same haircut and color. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: kind of funny. Well maybe she did that on purpose
Speaker 2: to try and lord Jamie, she.
Speaker 4: Was trying to seduce your husband. Yeah, yeah, single white female. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The Dan stuff, we see that he like slips his
Speaker 4: hand through that little brace, so we know that he's
Speaker 4: gonna plot and escape soon. There was a ray of
Speaker 4: sunshine and that is the ray of sunshine in this
Speaker 4: whole episode that Dan Scott our bad guy for the last.
Speaker 3: Gonna get away.
Speaker 4: He's going to escape from a worst bad guy. Christ
Speaker 4: we have sunk solo.
Speaker 5: We sure have.
Speaker 4: Antoine and Deb's moment. Yes, their first real conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 4: loved it. That was silver line.
Speaker 2: That was so Antoine too. That's the kind of advice
Speaker 2: he would actually give.
Speaker 5: He's really good like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And it is such a nice thing to
Speaker 3: hear out loud, because we are a show that talks
Speaker 3: about feelings a lot and friends rely on each other
Speaker 3: a lot, but to actually have someone voice she called
Speaker 3: you for a reason. She respects you. She probably thinks
Speaker 3: you're the one person who understands what she's going through.
Speaker 3: I can't explain why that made me so emotional, but
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, that is why people
Speaker 3: call you and ask for your help, because you really
Speaker 3: have trust. Like it made me feel so emo.
Speaker 4: It was the respect line that got me because the
Speaker 4: same thing got me because Deb has been shown by everybody.
Speaker 4: She's been by her husband, by her son. Hailey's shown
Speaker 4: her and told her how irresponsible she is. She's been
Speaker 4: shown by Karen, her business partner. She knows that she
Speaker 4: has had lows, and she has not made excuses. She's
Speaker 4: just tried to show up in a different way. And
Speaker 4: this is the first moment that anyone is saying to her,
Speaker 4: I respect you and what you've been through.
Speaker 2: Well, it's such a great point. I love that you
Speaker 2: saw that.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's the actions, you know, Like there's plenty of
Speaker 4: characters in our show that say I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't mean too and then
Speaker 4: they do the same shit over and over again. Deb
Speaker 4: did a lot of awful stuff, and she just changed.
Speaker 4: It was her actions that said I'm sorry. It was
Speaker 4: her actions that said you deserve better. I'm going to
Speaker 4: be different for you. And so now she's the lady
Speaker 4: that shows up and makes breakfast for her grandson. Yeah, great,
Speaker 4: drives them to school.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find it within me to feel like
Speaker 2: it's weird that Deb would be dating skills, but I
Speaker 2: have to say, like, it really works for me.
Speaker 4: Did we think it was weird when we were in
Speaker 4: our twenties, because now in our forties we're Deb's like
Speaker 4: we're Deb's exact age. Yeah, now I don't think it's
Speaker 4: weird at all. Now I think it's like, get it.
Speaker 4: But did we think it was weird at that age.
Speaker 2: I think we thought it was scandalous.
Speaker 4: But I think I even liked it back then. It
Speaker 4: was just such a good match. Yeah, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: make I don't remember having a problem with it. I
Speaker 4: just thought it was funny. And no, I don't think
Speaker 4: it's funny now. I think it's hot. And also we
Speaker 4: knew that like two people we loved very much. Behind
Speaker 4: the scenes, Antoine and Barbara were having a great time
Speaker 4: like that made it fun for everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those were always fun days at work, they
Speaker 2: were freaking hoot.
Speaker 4: Well, the next heart to heart, the Brook and Peyton
Speaker 4: heart to heart. I'm still mad that Brooke is laying
Speaker 4: there in Peyton's lap and she's still not seeing the
Speaker 4: handprints on her friend's neck. So dumb. But this conversation
Speaker 4: where Brooke is just really like I don't believe in karma,
Speaker 4: that whole thing.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Like I liked this conversation. They're actually talking about something real,
Speaker 4: and it just made me mad that Peyton got up
Speaker 4: and moved the next day, Like your friend is clearly
Speaker 4: laying in your lap being like I'm in a bad place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is uncharacteristic of Peyton, it is.
Speaker 3: It all feels a little forced. But I will say
Speaker 3: I think Brooke is isolating so intensely, like in a way,
Speaker 3: I feel like she was kind of pushing you out.
Speaker 4: Sure, but your job as the friend is to be
Speaker 4: like not so fast. Yeah, I see what you're doing here,
Speaker 4: especially for Peyton who's been through so much trauma and
Speaker 4: like knows that bag of tricks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 4: If anyone was going to recognize signs, ye should be Peyton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the gist? Of that dialogue that you
Speaker 2: guys were taught. I'm like, I remember seeing the scene,
Speaker 2: but I don't know.
Speaker 4: Peyton is thanking Brook. She's like, Brook, I just want
Speaker 4: to thank you. Like Peyton's in a good place and
Speaker 4: she's like, you gave me a place to live, you
Speaker 4: help me with this record label. You are my person, Like,
Speaker 4: thank you so much. Brooke keeps like making jokes like
Speaker 4: she made the Lindsay joke earlier in the episode, like
Speaker 4: blaming her injuries on a fistfight with Lindsay. Right, she
Speaker 4: just keeps deflecting in a way that should be a big,
Speaker 4: huge red flag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the heaviness that's on her definitely something that feels
Speaker 2: like it should be acknowledged.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the glossing over it definitely feels like a weird
Speaker 3: writer choice, and I remember that we didn't love it
Speaker 3: at the time, but you know, you have to shoot
Speaker 3: what's on the page. But I think it's interesting because
Speaker 3: you know, when you're when you're going through all the
Speaker 3: thank yous, in that sort of odd heaviness, you offer
Speaker 3: that you are a really good person. Brooke Davis Line
Speaker 3: and Joy Brooks.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: My Brooks response is, well, what do I get out
Speaker 3: of it, you know. And that's when we get into
Speaker 3: the whole thing about good karma and I don't believe
Speaker 3: in karma and I don't want to talk about it,
Speaker 3: and and then we hit that you know, what do
Speaker 3: you believe in justice? M hm, which I was like,
Speaker 3: well that was interesting foreshadowing for my own life. Fellow,
Speaker 3: same and it's.
Speaker 5: It does.
Speaker 3: It does sort of cause this like sense of foreboding.
Speaker 3: You know something's coming, and it is an odd thing
Speaker 3: I would imagine, you know, for you Hill, as the
Speaker 3: other actor in the scene, to just have to pretend
Speaker 3: that you don't feel it.
Speaker 4: Right, just like yeah, makes you feel stupid, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 4: my friend's being incredibly cryptic and her face is destroyed anyway.
Speaker 3: I'm getting married almighty.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: That said, I appreciate the physicality in the scene because
Speaker 4: that was doing the work that the words weren't. Like,
Speaker 4: when you see two people laying together and playing with
Speaker 4: each other's hair, that is a form of intimacy, that's
Speaker 4: a sisterhood, that is just a deep relationship that words
Speaker 4: can't necessarily convey. And so I do remember you and
Speaker 4: I being like, how do we make this loving? Because
Speaker 4: it feels very disconnected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Brooks trying to be there for Peyton
Speaker 2: too and be supportive and be you know, happy for
Speaker 2: her and give her what she needs so that she
Speaker 2: can keep deflecting the attention off of herself.
Speaker 4: Well, because Hailey delivers the line and the scene right before,
Speaker 4: like only miserable people destroy someone else's happiness or.
Speaker 5: Something like that.
Speaker 2: What was that?
Speaker 3: It was the only people that tear happy people down
Speaker 3: are unhappy are unhappy people.
Speaker 4: And Brooke is not going to do that.
Speaker 3: Nope, she shan't stoop, she won't do it.
Speaker 4: But what a weird thing for Haley to have to say,
Speaker 4: you delivered it great.
Speaker 2: Thanks. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess it's true. But yeah, they always script it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's so funny whenever these scripts would come in, and
Speaker 2: sometimes you get these lines that were just.
Speaker 5: So these.
Speaker 2: Pragmatisms, know what are they called platitudes. They would put
Speaker 2: the platitudes in and you just have to find a
Speaker 2: way to make it real. We're just going to put
Speaker 2: in some of the themes from this episode or some
Speaker 2: of the personal beliefs of the writers and sell it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, somebody's like relaying a message here, or it
Speaker 4: would just be such an unnatural line and you'd want
Speaker 4: to change it, and they're like, I'm so sorry. We
Speaker 4: already shot the previous scene where we echo those words again,
Speaker 4: and so you just have to suck it up. I
Speaker 4: hate that. I wanted to go first. The one thing
Speaker 4: that felt very real was all the Haley Nathan stuff,
Speaker 4: like Nathan working his ass off and trying to make
Speaker 4: a comeback, and this whole like doctor situation between you two,
Speaker 4: Like all I felt really dialed in. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: I like seeing them in a position where they're comfortable
Speaker 2: and enjoying each other and enjoying this space where they're
Speaker 2: being mentors and things finally feel settled. They've got a
Speaker 2: system working so that they can both go to work,
Speaker 2: they can both feel like they can both be involved
Speaker 2: with Jamie's life and also find personal fulfillment. It's a
Speaker 2: really nice little system that they've got going on. But
Speaker 2: of course, no one and in tree Hill can remain
Speaker 2: happy for long, so there's always going to be new things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree, it's really nice to see that,
Speaker 2: and I love I just love seeing Nathan get back
Speaker 2: on the basketball court and going for it again and
Speaker 2: just having fun and watching all those guys play play ball.
Speaker 2: I really love it whenever that's a part of our
Speaker 2: show because it really was the core of how the
Speaker 2: show started, was just watching the interactions, the communication, that
Speaker 2: interpersonal dynamics that are happening on the court as a
Speaker 2: reflection of what's happening in real life. And you could
Speaker 2: see it all play out. And we did get away
Speaker 2: from basketball for a while, so it's nice to It's
Speaker 2: always nice when they bring it back in.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: And James seems so happy out there, Like James the
Speaker 4: person that we know just lights up in a different way.
Speaker 2: And playing with Robbie too though, because the two of
Speaker 2: them had so much fun together. Robbie was always so
Speaker 2: fun to work with and had so much energy. I mean,
Speaker 2: what you see on the show is very much who
Speaker 2: he is person well, and I.
Speaker 3: Think also just on a technical level, the fact that
Speaker 3: he was such a good basketball player, like James played
Speaker 3: circles around everyone for years, Yeah, and so to have
Speaker 3: someone he could exactly ball with, Like you can see
Speaker 3: how challenged they both are and like they're really sweating
Speaker 3: out on that court.
Speaker 4: Like they're playing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they really got to play and and having Jackson
Speaker 3: in on that mix and like that whole dynamic was
Speaker 3: just so sweet and it made things feel so real,
Speaker 3: even when you cut to you know, your house and
Speaker 3: Jamie's walking on Nathan's back, like people were, you know
Speaker 3: at that point, like begging Jackson to do that for
Speaker 3: them because everybody is playing so much basketball.
Speaker 4: So like it wound up in this script. Yeah, like
Speaker 4: it all just I don't know.
Speaker 3: It felt it felt so grounded in something real and
Speaker 3: and genuine, and I think it really comes through on
Speaker 3: screen in their dynamic.
Speaker 2: Why did we kill Quentin off so soon?
Speaker 3: Such a poor decision?
Speaker 2: What did he get another job? Like do we know
Speaker 2: what happened there? We're gonna have to ask Robbie we will.
Speaker 3: I think it was just the plan, and I think
Speaker 3: because it happened. But that's the thing I think because
Speaker 3: it happened so soon in the season, like we shot
Speaker 3: it before season six started airing, and I think everyone
Speaker 3: unanimously was like, oh, we've done a bad thing, Like
Speaker 3: we did.
Speaker 5: This too quickly.
Speaker 3: I think it was really in the outline of the
Speaker 3: season and what that death was going to.
Speaker 2: Mean and what it was going to do to everyone,
Speaker 2: and they totally miss calculated how much people were going
Speaker 2: to fall in love with him, how charismatic he was,
Speaker 2: how powerful his arc was going from where he started
Speaker 2: into the place that he was. Even in this episode,
Speaker 2: you're just rooting for him so much. It's just I
Speaker 2: don't know, He's had so much more. I feel like
Speaker 2: he had so many more levels of us cheering for
Speaker 2: him to go to before they could rip the rug
Speaker 2: out from under us and have us be devastated like
Speaker 2: it was devastating now. But they could have milked that
Speaker 2: for a lot longer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Robbie could have stayed on the show.
Speaker 4: It comes down to representation in the room, right, because
Speaker 4: if we finally have a young black man who is
Speaker 4: succeeding on the show, and to shoot that guy, you know,
Speaker 4: it just felt like a tone deaf white man's decision. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And had we had some representation in the room, there
Speaker 4: could have been a voice in there that said, this
Speaker 4: is an important character to a number of kids who
Speaker 4: are watching this show, and they should see black joy.
Speaker 4: They should see like, you know, black success, because we
Speaker 4: are not showing a lot of that on our show.
Speaker 4: Our show has been criticized for its lack of diversity,
Speaker 4: and this was an opportunity that could have been golden.
Speaker 4: And I think Robbie did a beautiful job leading up
Speaker 4: into this like narrative tragedy. But I do think we
Speaker 4: did a disservice to our audience by killing him. And
Speaker 4: that could just be me talking because I think he's
Speaker 4: a naval actor, but yeah, I think we could have
Speaker 4: done better. Every black man we have on the show
Speaker 4: got put through hell. Antoine had to beg to be
Speaker 4: a series regular, right. Ernest Waddell, we've had him on
Speaker 4: the show and he talked about what a bad experience
Speaker 4: it was for him, and so that we lost Robbie
Speaker 4: also feels like another cheat. So when you hear people
Speaker 4: talking about representation in writers' rooms, it's exactly for things
Speaker 4: like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It's such a shame ough And I'm
Speaker 2: glad there's been a lot of change since then. I
Speaker 2: feel like there's it's been so much improvement. But it's
Speaker 2: really sad to go back and watch our show and
Speaker 2: see things like that that it just wasn't It wasn't
Speaker 2: in the place it should have been.
Speaker 5: It's presure no.
Speaker 4: I mean, for Haley, it's the first time we're seeing
Speaker 4: Haley really true, he just gets an A plus. Come on,
Speaker 4: that was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's fun to see that.
Speaker 4: I feel like Debbie Downer for bringing it up, but
Speaker 4: I had to say it.
Speaker 3: No, it's really important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it affects the rest of Yeah, it just felt
Speaker 2: like they didn't know what else to do, so they
Speaker 2: just I mean, we really have hit the point in
Speaker 2: the show where I feel like they just didn't quite
Speaker 2: know what else to do, and so they just started
Speaker 2: creating all these random scenarios.
Speaker 4: I started punching people. I don't know what to do
Speaker 4: with this character. We should tie them up, we should
Speaker 4: hurt him?
Speaker 3: Who feed him cockroaches?
Speaker 5: Like really that's it? Oh my god.
Speaker 4: When Lucas tells Skills that Peyton is moving in, and
Speaker 4: Skills is like, do we want to have a drink?
Speaker 4: Or should I wait until you for post to procos
Speaker 4: to break, and then Jamie does the same to him.
Speaker 4: He's like, so Peyton's moving in? What happened to Lindsay?
Speaker 4: Were you with my mom?
Speaker 2: What about you know? Like I just need to understand
Speaker 2: this right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone's on Lucas's this episode.
Speaker 2: It actually is really fun listening to from a child's perspective, like, okay, wait,
Speaker 2: so you guys were together but then you broke up,
Speaker 2: but then you went with her, but then she went
Speaker 2: with this guy, and now you're with this person, and what.
Speaker 4: About that relationship?
Speaker 2: Just the simplicity of the way that a child would
Speaker 2: come in and look at the dynamic, the romantic dynamics
Speaker 2: on our show. It's really funny.
Speaker 4: Judge US.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're like, what were you doing?
Speaker 4: Okay? So what are our honorable mentions? I know what
Speaker 4: mine is, and it's a Nathan Haley thing, okay. And
Speaker 4: I wrote it down where Nathan and Haley are at
Speaker 4: the River Court and they're talking about that mason Boro
Speaker 4: game where he kicked ass and he's like, every shot
Speaker 4: I scored was like a pickup line for Hailey James
Speaker 4: and and he says, I played that game for you, Haley,
Speaker 4: and I would also like quit that game for you
Speaker 4: because I like being a husband and a dad so
Speaker 4: much more. I was just like, yes, sir, that was me.
Speaker 2: There is I had a flag in that scene. I
Speaker 2: was when we were watching because she says, the first
Speaker 2: time I ever saw you play was that game, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, what they grew up in the same town.
Speaker 2: Lucas and Haley have been best friends. How in the
Speaker 2: world is that the first basketball game she's ever seen
Speaker 2: Nathan play? I mean surprised that nobody caught that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I guess not everybody went to basketball games.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think.
Speaker 3: Wasn't that like a big deal that no one ever,
Speaker 3: that you guys never went because Lucas didn't play, and
Speaker 3: then once he got on the team.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, I don't know. I just it
Speaker 2: just rang in my ear. I heard it, and I
Speaker 2: was like, wait, I don't know, I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: Did it make you feel the same way it made
Speaker 3: you feel that no one checked on close Over Bros.
Speaker 3: When the store had been decimated in the middle of downtown.
Speaker 4: What are these tree hillers doing?
Speaker 5: Do it feels?
Speaker 2: Fish deb gets my honorable mention. I thought she just
Speaker 2: totally shined shown. I don't know, she was fabulous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mine is for Robbie.
Speaker 4: I just I loved it.
Speaker 3: Every single thing he did in this episode.
Speaker 5: I loved so much.
Speaker 3: And obviously I knew what was coming this season. I
Speaker 3: didn't realize it was in the second Frickin' episode and
Speaker 3: he when he parked his car at that gas station,
Speaker 3: I screamed no, like and I was like, oh boy,
Speaker 3: that was a lot. That was a lot that just
Speaker 3: came out of my body.
Speaker 4: He really just.
Speaker 3: Affected me so much. And I'm I'm still sad about it.
Speaker 2: That's awful. Okay, guys, Patricia is asking us, did any
Speaker 2: of your parents try to discourage you from getting into acting?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Did you?
Speaker 4: Well, your parents knew about it, Like, your parents lived
Speaker 4: in LA they knew what that life was like.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Hillary, if you and I parents
Speaker 2: actually knew what that really entailed.
Speaker 4: My parents put me into classes when I was three
Speaker 4: years old. I got put in these like little modeling
Speaker 4: actor classes as a toddler, and I was told my
Speaker 4: whole life that they did all this and made all
Speaker 4: these sacrifices because I announced at two and three years
Speaker 4: old that I wanted to be an actor. And then
Speaker 4: when I had kids, and it was like, and these
Speaker 4: kids both have actors as parents, they had no an
Speaker 4: idea two and three years old what an actor was.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was sold a bag of false information. No,
Speaker 4: it was my parent's whole plan. Wow, which is probably
Speaker 4: why I'm having this like latent life rebellion where I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do it anymore. Yeah, I think kids
Speaker 4: should arrive at this on their own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so your parents did, They were like, don't do it.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing is like we didn't. We didn't have
Speaker 3: like any actors in our family, like any attachment. But
Speaker 3: you know, with my with my dad's photography business, like
Speaker 3: it's a weird thing to be adjacent to an industry, right,
Speaker 3: Like my dad is certainly a visionary, he is certainly
Speaker 3: an artist. And to be clear, like when you're the photographer,
Speaker 3: like you're also the hired help, Like you're not the
Speaker 3: in the scenario where like we all know how hierarchies
Speaker 3: can go on sets, like you're not the talent, like
Speaker 3: you're the person capturing the talent. And so it's a
Speaker 3: really interesting thing like to sort of see both sides
Speaker 3: of something, like to be close to it but to
Speaker 3: still be in the like employee zone, like you know
Speaker 3: when people talk about what we do and they're like,
Speaker 3: well below the line, like the crew whatever, all of
Speaker 3: which we like to set fire to. But I think
Speaker 3: what was interesting for my parents was like just sort
Speaker 3: of seeing the churn in the business, and especially because
Speaker 3: of photography, like I think the way that so many
Speaker 3: women like can be treated or used by the business.
Speaker 3: My parents were just like, oh, absolutely not. And I
Speaker 3: you know, I also grew up like my dad immigrated
Speaker 3: here in the seventies. My mom's mom came through New
Speaker 3: York wor like on a boat from Italy. There's like
Speaker 3: classic immigrant mentality in my house of like you can
Speaker 3: be a doctor or a lawyer, or a lawyer or
Speaker 3: a doctor, like those are your options. And I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a doctor. And my parents were like,
Speaker 3: you are very argumentative about social justice. Are you sure
Speaker 3: you don't want to be a lawyer?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then like I did a play and was like
Speaker 3: I think I want to go to theater school and
Speaker 3: my parents were just.
Speaker 4: Like, what the fuck. I don't know, that's not like
Speaker 4: a real thing.
Speaker 3: And yeah, they had like talks about it my freshman
Speaker 3: year in college and they were just apparently my dad
Speaker 3: was like, oh, Maureen, calm down, she's too smart. She'll
Speaker 3: be bored.
Speaker 4: She'll grow out of it, she'll grow out of it.
Speaker 2: Little did they know how smart you have to be
Speaker 2: to be an actor and to be a good as
Speaker 2: good as you are, you have to be little did
Speaker 2: they know?
Speaker 3: And then when I transferred and decided to do like
Speaker 3: theater and journalism, they were like, see, she's going to
Speaker 3: get a real job. And then I just became an
Speaker 3: activist actor and here we are.
Speaker 4: And here we are, the real job, working out real Well, sorry, mom,
Speaker 4: you you were like actually working working work from a
Speaker 4: young age. I was.
Speaker 2: So we did have performance in my family. And my
Speaker 2: grandfather was on Broadway and he was a stage manager
Speaker 2: and also an actor on Broadway. My grandmother grew up
Speaker 2: doing theater and did tons and tons of shows.
Speaker 4: My mom's mom's mom, like.
Speaker 2: My great grandma left the home, left home at nineteen
Speaker 2: to join the circus literally literally, So we do have
Speaker 2: all this family history and in art and entertainment. My
Speaker 2: skipped a generation with my folks. They both were like
Speaker 2: not interested at all in being on stage or having
Speaker 2: any Yeah.
Speaker 4: But your dad does the same thing. Like as actors,
Speaker 4: we diagnose like people's trauma and that's like your dad
Speaker 4: does that accounts with addiction he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he helps with drug and alcohol rehabilitation and also
Speaker 2: has been a counselor and worked in a lot of
Speaker 2: mental health facilities.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I had kind of had a wild childhood,
Speaker 2: just experiencing so many different kinds of personalities and lives,
Speaker 2: just all the ways, all the ways people lived in
Speaker 2: so many different environments, which definitely fueled the fire and
Speaker 2: being an actor because I was just so interested in
Speaker 2: people and all the quirks and the ways that people
Speaker 2: ticked and worked. And I saw so much variety because
Speaker 2: we moved around a lot too, so I wasn't even
Speaker 2: like stuck in a bubble.
Speaker 4: It was really great.
Speaker 2: But sorry tangent, but yeah, I think when I started,
Speaker 2: it really was just a hobby something. My parents were like,
Speaker 2: there's a there's a little theater school on the corner.
Speaker 2: Do you want to go do this? Since you don't
Speaker 2: really seem to care about sports.
Speaker 4: Soccer, do you want to do something? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then I just fell in love with it, and
Speaker 2: I don't think they knew enough to tell me, please,
Speaker 2: don't do this with your life.
Speaker 4: It's just so hard.
Speaker 2: And thank god they didn't because it's been amazing and
Speaker 2: it became a place I really loved. But now they
Speaker 2: didn't try and discourage me. They were happy to help
Speaker 2: and support my mother. God blessed when we moved to
Speaker 2: do when we moved to New Jersey, she drove me
Speaker 2: in and out of the city, you know, four or
Speaker 2: five days a week for voice lessons, dance classes, auditions,
Speaker 2: whatever it was. She just got a job that got
Speaker 2: her off at like two and she could just drive
Speaker 2: me into the city all the time. So they really
Speaker 2: made a lot of sacrifices to make it work. I'm
Speaker 2: glad it did.
Speaker 4: So cool. Yeah, yeah, thank you, Patricia. All Right, guys,
Speaker 4: are we gonna spin a wheel? Let's ladies, all right,
Speaker 4: we've got a most likely to have their own reality show?
Speaker 4: Tree Hill has a reality show? Is this a dance Scott?
Speaker 5: Dan Scott?
Speaker 4: Yeah too, I could see it was his a reality
Speaker 4: were a talk show? I had a talk show, all right,
Speaker 4: So who's got a reality show? Deep honestly, I think.
Speaker 3: Dev could start The Real Housewives of Tree Hill and
Speaker 3: I would watch And I don't watch any of those shows,
Speaker 3: but I'd watch her.
Speaker 4: Yes, m h, I'm on board for that. And also
Speaker 4: in real life, I would watch a show about Barbara
Speaker 4: and her daughters.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, why is that not on the air
Speaker 2: right now? No, But legitimately, someone needs to buy and sell, sell.
Speaker 4: And buy that they're such fantastic kids and they all
Speaker 4: have very different careers.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine a family of four blondes where each
Speaker 4: one of them has such a distinct like niche and
Speaker 4: they're all so different, but they all are still like
Speaker 4: Halloween freaks. They just had their pumpkin coming party.
Speaker 5: I wish I've been.
Speaker 2: Able to go to that party.
Speaker 4: God, they're so cool. Yeah. Yeah, that's the show.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 4: Well, thanks for hanging out, everybody.
Speaker 2: I will see you next week, episode three of season six,
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