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Speaker 2: Set back to behind, Zorn, who's back to pass as

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Speaker 4: He makes to grab a travel It's a thirty down

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Speaker 3: Com and Zorn later in perfectly a Rabel who goes

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Speaker 5: Now, here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve

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Speaker 5: Raebol and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn.

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Speaker 2: What another treat? We have another Ring of Honor member.

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Speaker 2: And before we even get to it, and Dave Craig.

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Speaker 6: Is our guest, today's ee, how are you? Happy New Year?

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Speaker 6: Everybody happy? N NASA are the producer and Dave of course,

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Speaker 6: happy New Year to you.

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Speaker 2: And before you say anything, I just want to tell you, yes,

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Speaker 2: we had to search along and hard to find a

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Speaker 2: highlight of me and we decided and we decided to

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Speaker 2: use it. I'm going to say that before you say it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 6: It's great to have you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good to be on rage and any highlight you

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Speaker 3: appreciate that. That's true.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we Z always shakes his head when we when

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Speaker 2: we play that play because it was listen at that time.

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Speaker 2: It was of course it was still the first year

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Speaker 2: of the franchise, but it was the longest touchdown pass

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Speaker 2: in franchise history. It lasted about six more months.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you not only.

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Speaker 3: That race, excuse me a second, but you know I

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Speaker 3: got the play Jim was starting. I got you were

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Speaker 3: one of the best preseason receivers around for a couple

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Speaker 3: of years. I mean, if they had a preseason like that, preseason,

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Speaker 3: I'll poting you would have bet on because you were

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Speaker 3: better and and you could play special teams. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you were like a fantasy football player's green as a

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Speaker 3: preseason player. You know when I when I give an accolade.

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Speaker 1: You are right on.

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Speaker 5: And when I got into the league, I actually started

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Speaker 5: with the Dallas Cowboys, and when I go to practice,

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Speaker 5: I'd walk up to the line of screamage. You'd be

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Speaker 5: preseason and Drew Pearson would be out there and I'd

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Speaker 5: pattern for me. Were you like that with with Dave

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Speaker 5: when he was.

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Speaker 6: The first telling But you know what's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to catch a pass. Hey, somebody else

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Speaker 1: go and.

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Speaker 2: You you quarterbacks can can tell me tell more about this.

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Speaker 2: But when your backups, you know, I obviously I backed

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Speaker 2: like Sam and I and Dave. Sure, you know, when

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Speaker 2: I always thought that was interesting because, let's face it,

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Speaker 6: That was okay.

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Speaker 2: But it always it always reminded me that, hey, these

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Speaker 2: That's right, Dave, when you were when you got here

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Speaker 3: And real quickly? Yeah, yeah, he knew a guy named

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Speaker 2: Is there a better story? I mean, when it really

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Speaker 2: Jim is shaking his head. No, there's not a better

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Speaker 5: When I saw Dave, it actually has stuck with me

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Speaker 2: You know, Dave, Dave, you you were described as kind

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Speaker 3: But I loved playing sports. I just loved it.

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Speaker 3: So there was a lot of gym rats that were

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Speaker 2: When when you got there, Dave as a as a

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Speaker 6: Was stony still. There was Steve Meyer still there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, had the band back I think, but

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Speaker 2: Did you think to yourself, Dave, Hey, if I work hard,

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Speaker 3: You're forgetting Matt Cooper. You're forgetting Matt Kopeck. Dave, there

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Speaker 3: I'm up on my tiptoes looking it was my rookie year,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know really who Jim Zorn was, and I

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Speaker 3: and I'm going, that's Steve Largent. Like he's five to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, I mean that's all I really knew.

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Speaker 3: And then practice was just to me. Nobody out there

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Speaker 1: That's right. Hey, was let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 3: Played with some guys that should have been in San Quentin.

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Speaker 5: They had a rookie mini camp, and here's Mike Tice

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Speaker 3: Yards and you know, he just literally threw like so

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Speaker 5: But wasn't he an inspiration then? I mean you think

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Speaker 3: Do you want to talk about stories? I thought about

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Speaker 3: this just about four or five years ago. Randall Borris

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Speaker 3: that's another guy that was a good inspirational story. But tays, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: You know, that's interesting you say that Randall was a

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is funny when you think about this

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Speaker 3: This a slap at me like that, what happened to you?

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Speaker 3: How come you do become a head? No?

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Speaker 6: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a it's a it's a it's kudos to

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Speaker 3: Would be a testament. I would say to Jack, Mike McCormick,

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Speaker 3: West Coast offense. Jim, you should tell people what it's

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Speaker 3: late to go home from. I write Action Past twenty

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Speaker 3: I was running learn how to drive? What the hell

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Speaker 3: But what an offense that was, Jim, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: I should have stayed there. And you want to talk

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Speaker 1: I was there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember, and I think I said this, Jim,

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Speaker 3: Agree that Helond Moore was a great, great receiver.

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Speaker 1: He'd run a go round a minute.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get I'm gonna give Harmon Moore some better

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Speaker 3: He was like a Dale turner even more athletic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a vacuum cleaner outside.

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Speaker 2: For those folks who don't remember, and I hadn't remembered

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Speaker 3: Fear I'm going to tell you right now, simple feel

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Speaker 3: It just I always like to have a chip on

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Speaker 3: you have to go prove yourself. That's what people don't understand.

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Speaker 3: When backup quarterbacks go somewhere, they got to learn a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what's really unique about one of the

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Speaker 3: Dave certainly, certainly learning all that stuff. But then he

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Speaker 3: I'd help the linemen try to get Come on, let's

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Speaker 1: Now, hey, David, who did you Who did you hang

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Speaker 3: My first year? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I shoved that. No, No, I shouldn't

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Speaker 3: I think he was an All American wrestler, All American

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Speaker 2: You know, all right, David, I'm gonna put you on

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Speaker 3: And now I'm on Thanksgiving the football so the coach,

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Speaker 3: I'm more. And Dave, older guy, Jim Dave, he just

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Speaker 1: Oh Dave, I'm more.

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Speaker 3: And day anyway, he called the plane. He goes, we're

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Speaker 3: We were playing on in the Rams down in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: Tell me this were you? Uh, what years were you?

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00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,360
Speaker 3: I'm not doing my sport, Jim Jim, Jim Jim. I'm

438
00:19:59,359 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 3: just finishing.

439
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Speaker 1: So tell me about Barry.

440
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 3: Tell me about he made he may ever receive her

441
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 3: better because they're always if they had there. What's in

442
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 3: the box? You're throwing it ninety four? Oh my gosh,

443
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 3: you ran for two thousand hours. The next year. That

444
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 3: was the most incredible human being to play with, Like

445
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 3: sitting in his locker next Dame and Eric went and

446
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 3: he would just sit there like he just you know,

447
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 3: just did nothing, like he just went one hundred and

448
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,359
Speaker 3: eighty yards, the most humble guy. And his dad introduced him.

449
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 3: I went to the Hall of Fame. When he got introduced,

450
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 3: his dad said, I to introduced you in the second

451
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 3: best running back into Hall of Fame because his dad,

452
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 3: he said, Jim Brown was the best. This is the

453
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 3: second first one. So anyway, we're playing the Bills thanks

454
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Speaker 3: to Living Big Game, and sure enough they have this

455
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 3: coverage on the Califinn I want to throw a touchdown pass,

456
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 3: so we run the play. Sure enough, he says, let's

457
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 3: run it again. I'm like, okay, so the second player

458
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 3: we do the three flock that we score lot. Isn't

459
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Speaker 3: that crazy?

460
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so you're going to do it?

461
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 3: And then we did run it twice.

462
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Speaker 6: Who'd you throw to twice?

463
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 3: The first place the cover the first place that they

464
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 3: were in cover too, so we couldn't do it.

465
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: So who who'd you throw it to?

466
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 3: You remember Herman Moore? Herman Hermon Moore.

467
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 6: All right, I got one for you.

468
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 3: And then there was a game winning that raves. You

469
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 3: must have broadcast this more. Imagine this. They're telling you

470
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 3: before the game or maybe before a pregame war. I'm saying,

471
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 3: want to tell me too far ahead? Just like when

472
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 3: I first started. They didn't tell me to the day

473
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 3: of the game. Chuck says, we're gonna Chuck says, we're

474
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 3: gonna throw a bomb on the first play, and that's

475
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 3: not something you normally want to hear it right away.

476
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 3: We win the coin toss, We're to throw a bomb

477
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 3: in in Denver, first playing game. No no cadence like

478
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 3: red set, no sound, all that stuff. Goose Berg Bliss

479
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 3: dropped back about five gods high as far as I can.

480
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 3: They'll turner runs under it. First play the games goes

481
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 3: eighty yard touchdown.

482
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Speaker 6: Do you remember that one? Like it was yesterday and

483
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Speaker 6: a great.

484
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 3: That was crazy. I mean, you just hit an outstand

485
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: outstretched hands and big long legs. That's one guy. I

486
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 3: wish now that I'm a little bit more mature and

487
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: older and see things.

488
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Speaker 1: I can, I can actually wish Dave.

489
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,959
Speaker 3: I wish I could have helped there at a little bit.

490
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 3: He was an awesome, awesome receiver, and I could have

491
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 3: spent more time on helping him to get better, But

492
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 3: I was trying to get better myself at the same time.

493
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Speaker 5: Dave, he was one of the only guys I think,

494
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Speaker 5: on our on in my experience, nobody knew how fast

495
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Speaker 5: he was. They like, we never really had a forty

496
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 5: time on him or something.

497
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Speaker 1: Do you do you?

498
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't. I mean he could. He didn't care

499
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 3: about one against Lester, Like didn't even phase him. Like, No,

500
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 3: he just wanted to go play and catch the ball.

501
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 3: We should utilize him a little bit more. That's what

502
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 3: I'm trying to.

503
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 2: Say to Okay, my Dave Craig play. And of course

504
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: I'm jaded because it's with the Seahawks and I know

505
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: you had great plays with a lot of other teams.

506
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 3: Well, it's the only get your guests only get two.

507
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 3: I thought you said just name a few, and you

508
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: just gave me two. And are you gonna cut me off?

509
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 2: No, I'm going to give you another chance, but I'm

510
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 2: gonna do I'm going to do my pipe before you

511
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: start again, because I may not get another word in

512
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: edgewise the way this is going. But it was you

513
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: had had a really tough day against Thomas the linebacker

514
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: at Kansas City, and I think you got sacked like

515
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: seven times. And they weren't you know, I mean, guys

516
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: were just it was like he was just running over everybody.

517
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: It didn't matter who was blocking him. But he was

518
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: in the backfield almost before you got the ball. And

519
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 2: the eighth one that you avoided him and threw the

520
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: game winning touchdown to Paul Scanzy. Was is for me,

521
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: one of the most memorable plays. And I wasn't doing

522
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: play by play then Pete was. But I just remember

523
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: how crazy exciting that was, that finish and uh and

524
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: you made it happen by avoiding the eighth and then

525
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 2: throwing a dart.

526
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Speaker 3: And then a year or two later on teammates with

527
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Speaker 3: Derek and Marty. And by the way, they used to

528
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Speaker 3: have Bill kaher was on their staff, Herman Edwards was

529
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 3: on their staff, Marty Schottenneimer Marty's but they had they

530
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 3: were one of the best defenses, I mean off defensive line,

531
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 3: linebacker all the way back there. But yes, that play

532
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: was great and Scans it couldn't have happened to a

533
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: better guy. There's another guy, Rusty loved that guy. Special teams.

534
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: I'll do whatever it takes. Yeah, I was a star

535
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: at Washington. I was as my freshman year at the

536
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 3: Festa ball I was the MVP. I went from Pittsburgh

537
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: to see I'll do whatever you want. I'll be a

538
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: miniature Steve, larger, tough, tough Paul Stansy. I'm so glad

539
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: that he caught that touchdown pass. I'm so happy for

540
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: him and our team and narm Johnson kicked the extra

541
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: point to actually win the game.

542
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Speaker 2: And you know, I saw Scans a couple of weeks ago.

543
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: He came by the stadium for the for the game.

544
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: I don't remember which one, but we had a chance

545
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: to talk, and I'm telling you, he is just as

546
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: kind of quiet and.

547
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Speaker 6: And sort of him as he was back in those days.

548
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: And he's a fifty something now, just like I'm going

549
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: to say the rest of us, No, the rest of

550
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: us are way older than that.

551
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: But he would tell me stories. He goes, he goes.

552
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: Do you remember I said, did I ever run you

553
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 3: into coverage? Once in a while he goes. Sometimes he goes.

554
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 3: One time, we're playing Gilbert and cover two. He's the

555
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: slow receiver and you're not supposed to throw an out route,

556
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: but it was a two minute drill, so I'm like

557
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: trying to kind of guide go by that little so

558
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 3: I throw them out row and like gil Bird lights

559
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: him up. Come back to the same play, the same thing.

560
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my gosh, he reminded me of that.

561
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 3: But but I'm so glad Stans, I'm so glad that

562
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: Stan's caught that that was a good game. We the

563
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: best games are the games, like you know, coming back

564
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 3: from being benched, or you get an injury and you're

565
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: coming back. People don't realize the mental stuff. I remember

566
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 3: coming back from a separated shoulder and going out there

567
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: and trying to play or your thumb and by the way,

568
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 3: I do want to mention doctor h Stan Herring and

569
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: Gary Fuce. Gary fuch that put the first plate in

570
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 3: my thumb, and Stan Herring helped fix my back. But

571
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: coming back from injuries is another thing. And you got

572
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: to come back there and just play like nobody cares

573
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: if you're hurt, just like they don't care what college

574
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: you're from.

575
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: That's that's an interesting point you made because Jim is

576
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: sitting here, and Jim was, you know, starting quarterback for

577
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: pretty much his career and then toward the.

578
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 6: End, Dave you were.

579
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: You were backing up, but you ended up playing a

580
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: lot when guys got hurt, and you still had to

581
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: be prepared right just like you were.

582
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 6: A starter, except you didn't know if you were going

583
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 6: to get in the game that day.

584
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: I got kind of mad at Eric Kramer he got

585
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: hurt the second or third game of the season. I'm

586
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: thirty seven years old with the Bears, and now I'm going,

587
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I got to play the rest of

588
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: the year. And then the first thing he played was

589
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 3: the Raiders, so that made it even better. But yeah,

590
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: I got to play quite a bit right up until

591
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 3: the end when I got to Tennessee. Now I watched

592
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 3: Steve McNair. You want to talk about audibles. What did

593
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 3: he do one time? He's such a great athlete. They're

594
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 3: playing the Baltimore Ravens with Ray Lewis and all these guys,

595
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 3: and he drops back. I think he audible to a

596
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: running play. That's exactly what he did. He audible to

597
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: running play and he dropped back what he's been up

598
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: for a pass and then he proceeded to run thirty

599
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: seventy years can't cut. They're all thinking that, they're going,

600
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, what happened? He goes I forgot out.

601
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 5: Uh, there's a there's a story. There's a story out there,

602
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 5: and it is Dave. Dave, myself and Sam Atkins really

603
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 5: were the only three to ever witness uh this particular

604
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 5: situation that happened after or during an evening meeting the

605
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 5: night before a football game in.

606
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: Bellevue, in Bellevue, Washington, and.

607
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: Anybody can walk into the past. It can happen anybody,

608
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: I know.

609
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 5: But it happened when all three of us were there,

610
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 5: and it would be okay that that he ran into it,

611
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 5: but then it knocked him down.

612
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 6: Who ran into it?

613
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: Ken?

614
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 5: Ken? So he's our quarterback coach, and you know, we

615
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 5: break up. Okay, Chuck had his his State of the

616
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 5: Union for the team meeting, and we're going to break up.

617
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: And now we're going to go and fine tune the

618
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: last thing.

619
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Speaker 5: And I'll be darned. We walk out outside. We're going

620
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 5: into another room and there's a sliding glass door there

621
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 5: and we're all right behind Kenny and man, he ran

622
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 5: smack into it. Man, and we it probably took us

623
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes to you know, get composed after that because

624
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 5: there was a nose smudge of oil where he hit

625
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 5: the he hit his nose first. Oh man, that'll be

626
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 5: something that all three of us really, you know, we

627
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 5: can all eyewitness that story for we've told it for

628
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 5: years and years and years.

629
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: Oh goodness, that was there. Next morning. Well listen, I mean,

630
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: Kenny was one of Chucks boys, and you know he was.

631
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: I mean when I got the different places, you could

632
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 3: tell things run a little bit differently. And that was

633
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: you know, the way they had the way they ran

634
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: things like Marty was wearing good business like and hard

635
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: practices like Chuck. But they paid a lot more attention

636
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: at detail in practicing stuff. Your drops what you're looking at. Yeah,

637
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: and you critique a lot more every every place you

638
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: go to.

639
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: It's different, sure, And part of that I would expect

640
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: comes from as you guys got further into your careers.

641
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 6: Obviously my name after.

642
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: Six, but as staffs grew, you had just more people

643
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: with eyes on. I mean we talked about it here before, Dave,

644
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: and that is you know, early on, Jerry Rome was

645
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator, receivers coach. So he just

646
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: send us over to another part of the field and

647
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: we'd stand there and just throw the ball back and

648
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: forth until it was time to go seven on seven.

649
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: That's right, And not saying that that helped or hurt anybody.

650
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: Yoda was Steve large It was going to be Steve Largent,

651
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: regardless of whether he had a coach working with him

652
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: or not. I would expect that part of that was

653
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: just more people that saw you and coached you up

654
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: as you went further into your career, made you know

655
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: that detail that you're talking about.

656
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, out up Jerry Rome's name. I got to

657
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: tell you something. So nineteen eighty and I make it there,

658
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: I make the team, and all I did was call

659
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: my daddy, goes, well, what happened? I go, well, they

660
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: put I got a name, I got a jersey, my

661
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: name on the back, and I got the best seats

662
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: in the house. I'm on the sideline, you know. So

663
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: I told my dad I made the team. Right, There's

664
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: no lay in the heck I could have played. I

665
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: go over to the gym's house once in a while,

666
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: Mercer Island. I'm like, wow, and I go over there

667
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: and I go I watched FELM. I know what the heck,

668
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: gys look, I'm just watching the game. You know, I

669
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: didn't really know how to watch number when Sam samummam.

670
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: When I threw seventy five and I threw the Sam McComb.

671
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: It's a strong side hook round. I threw it tim

672
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: my first time ever, dropping back, He's like and he

673
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: started yelling at me. I hit him right in chest

674
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: and yelled at me. But Jerry, Roll, listen, listen, my

675
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: very first start nineteen eighty you guys go to Cincinnati.

676
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: I think Turk Schoenart was going to be the quarterback there.

677
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: And we're playing anyway. So it's just a regular first

678
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: first game of the season for everybody, but for me,

679
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: it's my first NFL game. I'm on the my parents

680
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: drive all the way down from Wawsa. So remember how

681
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: we took those tests, Jim in eighty and eighty one.

682
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, Jerry.

683
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: We took this test and I would get yes, I

684
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: would get sixties and fifties, there'd be more red ink

685
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: on my paper. Well, this is before we even this

686
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 3: is before we even took the test. So we're in

687
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: one of those meetings, and you were there in nineteen

688
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: eighty rates and they asked questions around the room, and

689
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: they'd asked me a question. I couldn't answer it, so

690
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: I go to Mark Bell. When Mark Bell answered it,

691
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: then I go, oh my god. So I take this test.

692
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: So I take this test, so I'm lovely bro. I

693
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: take this test and the next morning, now they grade

694
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: the test, so I get my test back it's got

695
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: like a fifty seven. He couldn't even give me a

696
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: sixty fifty seven. It's got red ink on it. I mean,

697
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: this is a great of the game. So I'm like that,

698
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, look, and I start to get real emotional.

699
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: I kindly and at Andy Circles. I couldn't even play

700
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: in this game if I had to. That's what Jerry

701
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: Room wrote on the top of my paper. So now

702
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: I get that, and I walk out of the meeting

703
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: room and I'll play the elevator. Is those two people

704
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: that drove all the way down to watch their son.

705
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: And I got tears in my eye, and I go, Jerry,

706
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: this is my dad and my mom. He just gave

707
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: me a fifty seven. Professor. It was so humiliating. Yes,

708
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to study. I didn't know anything

709
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: about I didn't know anything, man, listen. I didn't know how

710
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: a tire tie. I remember the second plane trip I

711
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: took large and I went to the go out them.

712
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: I came out and someone my clip on tie was

713
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: sticking out and he snatched it and he goes, look,

714
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: he's got a clip on tie. He said. He everybody

715
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: on the plane. I'll never forget that tire tie.

716
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, you defended yourself the way you had to, and

717
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: that was that chip on your shoulder made you a

718
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: Ring of Honor member and a quarterback.

719
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost little things. You're exactly right. It's almost

720
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: little obstacles and adversities you have come. No matter what

721
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: they are, they're humiliating, but at the same time there

722
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: there are opportunities for growth if you let them be correct.

723
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know one of the things that you that

724
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: has always been a badge of courage for you, and

725
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: that is your nickname, and that I hate that.

726
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: I don't know why we want to talk about that.

727
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: I mean, what is wrong with you guys? You know,

728
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: and you're and you're gonna bring it up. I'm the

729
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: whole thing. So I said to know, let me just

730
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: there's a hijack and do this correct.

731
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 5: Let me just say when when we were in meetings

732
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 5: because we had some time and Jerry coached almost everybody

733
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 5: on offense, we would have a meeting and one one

734
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 5: time a week, Jerry Rome would say, Okay, tonight's to

735
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 5: night where you're gonna give We're gonna vote on a nickname.

736
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 5: And I don't know who the first was the first

737
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 5: one Yoda? Or was Steve Largent or was I can't

738
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 5: remember who? The first one was mine?

739
00:33:53,680 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: Mind every nickname? I got the last one.

740
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: Let me, let me explain what happened.

741
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 5: So everybody on the team, including you, Raves, you got

742
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 5: to Jim.

743
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: Listen, listen, it's not your nickname. Why are you explaining

744
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: of this?

745
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.

746
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 5: We put him up on the on the board and

747
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 5: it wasn't a whiteboard because we only had chalkboards.

748
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: Right, So where you vote and.

749
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 5: You you get to pick out Okay, give me two names,

750
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 5: Now give me one. And so there was three names

751
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 5: left and one of one of the end ones for Dave,

752
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 5: and it was obvious he was going to be named

753
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 5: mud Bone. It was just obvious that.

754
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: Was it, and no idea. Well, you know, I don't

755
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: remember even who came up with it. It was I

756
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: know exactly.

757
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: Who who is.

758
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: Bone?

759
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: I know you, Jim, you finished the story of that.

760
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: Who came up with bones?

761
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes?

762
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 6: Byron Walker?

763
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: Byron Walker. He was the one.

764
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: So here's here, here's the thing of this I want

765
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: to buy and asked that what's this mug mine? Because

766
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: it's a Richard Pryor album. I listened to it, so

767
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: I listened to it. It's so rich. Paul is this

768
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: comedic album and he's talking about an old man on

769
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: a pitch in two old Mississippi and it goes kind

770
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: of like this. I don't remember when I first went

771
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: to my bone. It was in two four old Mississippi,

772
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: and he was.

773
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 7: I did so before you guys ask questions, Steve label

774
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 7: of all people, just be prepared that, which usually what

775
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 7: makes you a good reporter and the iconic reporter that

776
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 7: you are, Steve very more. And I'm just surprised that

777
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 7: you try to do it Barbara Walters on.

778
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: Me and make me cry at the end of the podcast.

779
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: No, I would never do that, but I will say

780
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: that Jim was z Man and that sort of made sense,

781
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: and I was peaking.

782
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 4: Of course, anybody's gonna talk about other people's making names

783
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 4: when they're only good one we rage just what raves?

784
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: What do they call you? Rage? No?

785
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: Peaches? Peaches from that's.

786
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: So sweet you But you don't like that? Do your age?

787
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 6: Not? Especially?

788
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: No?

789
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 6: But I will say.

790
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 4: That, yeah, yeah, yeah, So now you know what I feel.

791
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 4: That you want to talk about my nickname teachers, that's

792
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: what I'm gonna call the teachers there. We got the mustache.

793
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 4: He's trying to go any Jersey in this office.

794
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: All right, So here's the here's the deal with and

795
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: with I think we've talked about this with Steve.

796
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

797
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: We had Remember we had a we had a Halloween

798
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: costume party as a team, and everybody came with funny stuff.

799
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 6: I remember Sharon and I were.

800
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: Rage. I don't want to talk about Halloween parties. I

801
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: just can't do, Okay.

802
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: So anyway, Steve and Terry came as Princess Leah and Yoda,

803
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: except except that Steve was Princess Leah and Terry had

804
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: the rubber mask on. And what was funny was the

805
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: rubber mask looked a lot like Steve's face with the

806
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: you know, the Yoda mask. So he became He instantly

807
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: became Yoda. And when I went to Washington, d C.

808
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: And he was a congressman, I walk in his office

809
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: and there's all his staff around and all those people,

810
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: and I saw him on the far side of the

811
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 2: room and I yelled, Yoda, and everybody in the room

812
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: stopped and looked at me, like, this is a this

813
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: is Congressman largin Well Steve knew who I was talking to,

814
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: and he came over and we hugged, and then we

815
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: went back in his inner office and sat there and

816
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: shot the breeze for a while.

817
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 6: But those things lived with you.

818
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: And I know Steve probably doesn't like Yoda either, And

819
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: sometimes it's tough for me not to just say Yoda.

820
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: It just kind of it just sort of comes out.

821
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: Now you I don't call Mudbone. I call you Dave,

822
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: and always have, and Sharon always calls actually Sharon, Sharon

823
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: likes you a lot better than that.

824
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: My call me Dave. My friends, my friends call me Dave.

825
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 6: Okay, all right?

826
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,479
Speaker 2: And and yes, and we used to have a place

827
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: down in Arizona when and Dave has been down there

828
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 2: for a long time now and we used to visit

829
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: and his he is one of the I will and

830
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: I don't hear. I don't want to embarrass you, but

831
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: you were one of the most thoughtful people because you're

832
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: you always ask about Sharon, and she appreciates that, and

833
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: she sort of has always kind of felt like, you know,

834
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: he was like a younger brother. We took him under

835
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: our wing and then look at what he became. But

836
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: she just she adores you and I for the life.

837
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 2: And you don't know why.

838
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: Listen. I've got a story too, Dave.

839
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 5: When I when I was here, we were having our

840
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 5: second child, Sarah and Dave came to the hospital to

841
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 5: see Joy and you know, congratulate us and stuff like that.

842
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 5: He told the hospital that he was my brother. That's

843
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 5: the only way they let him in. And so we

844
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 5: have a picture of Dave in the hospital room as

845
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 5: my brother and taking pictures with Sarah.

846
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, and yeah, yeah, he's very.

847
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: Very that's right.

848
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: The good stuff, Dave, the good stuff will follow you around.

849
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 2: The good things in your life will always follow you around.

850
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: And and you know, and football was just part of.

851
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: That, right, You're exactly right. I don't want to keep

852
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 3: going on here. But last night I told you we

853
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 3: were talking a little bit. I took tway my daughter

854
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: because it was nice talking to you and BS and

855
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: what you like we always do and sparring. And my

856
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: daughter thought, so, who is that guy? So that's the

857
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: guy that wants me to do the podcast, and I

858
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: don't know if I want to do it. We're talking,

859
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: she goes, how do you know I've knowed since nineteen

860
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: eighty you've known him for since nineteen eighty about that rade.

861
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, and so and so.

862
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things. There's your family, which I'm

863
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 3: so much closer to my family, even though the boys

864
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: aren't a big I love you guys and all that stuff,

865
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: but they go hunting and fishing and you do stuff together,

866
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: play golf, pickleball. And my daughter has really helped with

867
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: the family because she's brought a little bit more emotion

868
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: into it and all that stuff. So it's like a team.

869
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: Though when you're in it, you're in a locker room. Man,

870
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 3: I can't. I wish I could express this to everybody

871
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: out the world, so that you can show that you

872
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: can all get along no matter what. You know what

873
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, because there's nothing like a player's locker room.

874
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 3: There's nothing like it.

875
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: Nothing, David, What do you do today? Most of the time?

876
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: What are you doing?

877
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: I want to get worked out before I did this

878
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: because I want to go hit golf balls at about

879
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: It's only open until four thirty down here. For some reason,

880
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: I worked out a little bit. I just got back

881
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 3: from the Rose Ball Man, what a venue. Oh my goodness, gracious, Yeah,

882
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: I was at the game Aldana. I drove all the

883
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: way there. My daughter flew there. She's Alabama grad and

884
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: I watched Alabama Michigan. I thought there were very trogodd offenses, like,

885
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, but it was what and then the

886
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: b two bombers come around. I'm like, you couldn't even

887
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: hear that thing and it came right over the top

888
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: of us in the venue when the sun sets. I

889
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: can see why it's called the granddaddy of them all.

890
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: It is just what a field. So it was like

891
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 3: San Diego's field. Remember the oad field of San Diego

892
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: down at Jack Murphy. Oh my god, I thought it

893
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 3: was like a track. I mean I even fell faster.

894
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well that's good. So you are involved

895
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 5: with your family a little bit more than you had

896
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 5: been when you played. Obviously we all are, uh, but

897
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 5: you do other When I.

898
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: Was playing, my family, my family came second everybody. No, no,

899
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: that's not true. I mean, can you imagine too well

900
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: to think about this, uh, Rage and Jim, because I

901
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: went the six different teams. Can you imagine moving Joy

902
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: from Blah blah blah to Detroit. I think you kind

903
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: of did it a little bit, but joinly went the

904
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: Green Bank back in Seattle, right well.

905
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 5: On Washington, Washington, Washington, that I coached for the Lions

906
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 5: with Bobby Ross, coach.

907
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 3: For the Chief. Student. You you coached for the Chief, didn't.

908
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: That's the other thing. I'm not going to cry. Yeah, hey,

909
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: I'm not going to cry milk here.

910
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 1: But I moved joy nineteen times in my career.

911
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that side of it is. That's

912
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: why I said that's enough even for me, and I

913
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: wan't want to put my family through it. So I

914
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: just said I'm not doing that. I was pretty obvious

915
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: coaching the coaching part of it. The coaching part of

916
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 3: it would have been fun, but man, the time commitment,

917
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: I just don't get. I'm so glad coaches do it,

918
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: but I just couldn't do it. After playing nineteen years,

919
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: that's the last thing you want to do is go

920
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: sit back in those offices for another six months in

921
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 3: a row.

922
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: It was it was it was time to take a break.

923
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: In fact, that was I was going to ask you,

924
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: had you ever thought about wanting a coach because you

925
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: learn from so many really good coaches and with all

926
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: those systems, all that stuff in your mind. Same as

927
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: Jim you just you didn't want to spend that much time.

928
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: No, No, some guys, I think some guys are like

929
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: you can see even on TV Danner Rofski's on there now.

930
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: He is a backup. But some of the backups know

931
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: more about the technical side of football than the actual quarterbacks.

932
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 3: Troytman's pretty good at it because he I mean, he

933
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: actually played. But there's not a lot of guys that

934
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: can take the playing into coaching. It's just sometimes it's

935
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: like Joe Joe Montana would not be a good coach.

936
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 3: La wouldn't be a good coach Marino because they wouldn't

937
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 3: have the patience to go, this is what I mean, dude,

938
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: Like you know, nobody can do it like you. You know,

939
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: And that's that's some of it.

940
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well.

941
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: Listen, wait, wait, wait, there's another guy, Matt Kavanaugh. I

942
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: wrote him Jim yep, sure, ye I know man, Yeah, yeah.

943
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: He was my quarterback coach down there, and he really

944
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: was a good Yes, he was a good, good quarterback coach. Yes.

945
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 2: And as I remember, Sam uh Sam Hankins had there

946
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: was some thought that when Jerry was had an opportunity

947
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: maybe to be a head coach in the USFL or

948
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: the World League or whatever that was, and.

949
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 6: Somebody who knew the offense really.

950
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry I raised the interrupt because I think

951
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: I got to mention this, Jim at this. If I

952
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: don't mention this to be here, it would be crazy.

953
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 3: So the first game that if you broke your ankle.

954
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: I remember I said to you guys, didn't tell us

955
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: before the game, so imagine the other guy would be mule,

956
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 3: and they didn't tell either of us. He probably thought

957
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: didn't know for sure. But Sam helped me as much

958
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 3: as we also watched BOM. Sam was such a good teammate,

959
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: telling me all this stuff you need to hear, all

960
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. He was such a good I

961
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: can't even imagine Sam going, man, I'm getting my first

962
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 3: chance to and then begin to give it to me

963
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: and then I actually do good and he's over there

964
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: helping me. And then he'd always helped me study so

965
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 3: that I want to get sixties up while I was

966
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 3: getting eighties and nineties like the rest of you guys

967
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: pretty cool. Muell would do that step aside and yet

968
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: still help me and and and that's that to me,

969
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 3: that was a big deal.

970
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 5: Sam's Sam's nickname is is Mule, so we all call

971
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 5: him mule.

972
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: You call him mule.

973
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 3: Uh.

974
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 5: But Sam actually helped me out one one year, uh

975
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 5: in recent history, because I coached in an All Star game,

976
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 5: uh one of the NFL p A Bulls or the

977
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 5: East West Shrine Game, and he was on my coaching staff.

978
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 5: And he's got a real good feel for football. So Dave,

979
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 5: you're right. I mean, he's he is all in and

980
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 5: he doesn't have to be in the spotlight, but he

981
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 5: knows ball and he knows how to listen.

982
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: If it was Sam Atkins, there won't be you know,

983
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: they won't you know, Steve Rabo with the Seahawks because

984
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: he does is always George farm and writes these names

985
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: down that well, that needs to be said. I know,

986
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: I'm right about that. I think it needs to be

987
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: you know, everybody's second rass, every player every year. How

988
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: does he know all that? Sam Adkins right that.

989
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: That's great, that's.

990
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 4: Great, I said it.

991
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.

992
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: He is.

993
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: He has been an amazing help and he was an

994
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: amazing teammate. And as we wrap this thing up, Dave,

995
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: one of the things that that when we talk to

996
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: guys of our era. You know that started back in

997
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: the late seventies, and for you, nineteen eighty is we

998
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: still talk about and with the same guys that we

999
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: knew back then. You talked about teammates, you talked about

1000
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: being in a locker room and on a team. Those

1001
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: are the kind of things that nobody can take away

1002
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: from you. And the minute you're back with those guys,

1003
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: it's just like you were sitting in your locker back

1004
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty or eighty one. It's just that relationship

1005
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: that always that always stays with you. And you know

1006
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: you had it for nineteen years with a whole lot

1007
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: of different teams, but those relationships will always be there, right.

1008
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so true. And I want to tell you

1009
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: one more thing about the adversity. Remember I told you

1010
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: about the test before that number one first game, do

1011
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: you guys number when we went to Dallas, we played

1012
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: three games in eleven days, remember Ras, and all these

1013
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: needles were sitting there in the Turney room. I'm like,

1014
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: what are those needles about? And as I that was

1015
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 3: forty and then so the game is fifty seven to

1016
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: six years to sitting on the sideline talking to Rusty

1017
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: do you want me to go in and tie it?

1018
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: How did you do that? Near George Jessel?

1019
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 2: He we were getting ready to go. I think punt

1020
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: it away or kick it return the kickoff again? I said,

1021
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: you know I would run out and then tell the

1022
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: return team you know, right left or middle?

1023
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: Sure?

1024
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 6: And uh And.

1025
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: We nobody knows George Jessel anymore. But Georgie Jessel was

1026
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: an old comedian years and years ago. He used to

1027
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: be on Johnny Carson and Rusty and I started doing

1028
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 2: an impression of Georgie Jessel.

1029
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 6: He talked like this all the time.

1030
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: He said, hello, John how are you?

1031
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: We start talking like that, and we're getting there butts

1032
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 2: handed to us by the Cowboys.

1033
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: It's fifty seven to six. We didn't even make the

1034
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 3: extra pay.

1035
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 6: It was terrible. It was just terrible.

1036
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: And you said you want.

1037
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 6: Me to yes?

1038
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: And he said what do we want to do? And

1039
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: he said, you know what should we do? He said, well,

1040
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: let's not go in and win it all ones. And

1041
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: I said, and now here we are now Jack but

1042
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: Terra standing on the sidelines with his arms folded, you know,

1043
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: watching his.

1044
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 6: Team Lammer, you guys go out and Rusty.

1045
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: And I just think This is just crazy, you know.

1046
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 2: And here we go back out on the field again.

1047
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: So do you know who I threw the touchdown pass to?

1048
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: Ron? Oh? Was it? Finish the story?

1049
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: That's what That's what.

1050
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: They started story. They both tell about their start of it,

1051
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: and then okay, they finish your So can you imagine it? Listen,

1052
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: can you imagine this? Fifty seven to six, We're going

1053
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: into the fourth quarter. Jim was a start, started the

1054
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: whole first up, they go, We're not gonna let him

1055
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: take a beating. We're gonna put Sam out there for

1056
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 3: the third quarter.

1057
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: I think is Awa wend yep right at halftime?

1058
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you think we're tired out exactly exactly, so,

1059
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: so they put in some This is kind of humbling

1060
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 3: because now you're the third string guy. I'm over here,

1061
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: I'm going this game. I'm thinking Cowboys. Randy White scared me.

1062
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: Jerry's decided to put Jim back in the game. And

1063
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 3: the boy i'd lively get in I didn't get it.

1064
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: And I'm on the plane, I'm taking a shower. Yeah,

1065
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: Sam was getting hurt. That's the only reason I got

1066
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: in the game. Too. Everybody put did his through his lip,

1067
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 3: his mustache. Yeah, he couldn't call the place. A lot

1068
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: of going there and take a snap in nineteen eighty,

1069
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: we couldn't call the play because his lip even throw

1070
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 3: his mustache and Tom Jackson run his tooth way through

1071
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 3: his lip was lying on their car. Time out, but

1072
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: King on Lumber call time out. But Sam would get

1073
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: hurt a little bit. But I did not even play

1074
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: any game. So I'm on the airplane and Jerry comes

1075
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 3: back says, you know I didn't play you. I'm like, no,

1076
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: I'm kind of pissed. I'm like, I want to quit.

1077
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: I want to fly to Wisconsin. And he goes, I

1078
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: would have ruined your confidence as you going out there,

1079
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: and he's kind of right. I'm glad he didn't. I

1080
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 3: would have been just shell shocked. But Jim really go

1081
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: back into a game at fifty seven and six, I

1082
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 3: would have been pissed. I said, no, what's the other guy?

1083
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: What Herman Weaver?

1084
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 6: In Weaver was our punter up.

1085
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: In the third string quarterback.

1086
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Speaker 2: And that was Thanksgiving Day, Thanksgiving Day, Yeah, that was

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Speaker 2: that was the third game in eleven days. I remember,

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Speaker 2: and I remember, you know the shots because Merlin Olsen

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00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: came into the locker room before Jack got there and

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Speaker 2: saw this, and he said, oh my god. He knew

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Speaker 2: how banged up we were, and he said, this could

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Speaker 2: be a rough one today, and I said, yeah, it

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Speaker 2: might be, and it turned out.

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Speaker 6: To be that way. All right, anything else Z that

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Speaker 6: you need to know before?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got as all as we're talking about

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Speaker 3: needles real quick. I did get my introduction to Tardal.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety five, I played for the Cardinals. We

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Speaker 3: went four and twelve. Somewhere somewhere during the off season

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Speaker 3: or somewhere during training camp, my elbows started hurting my job.

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Speaker 3: If you get pickle ball, rock and ball elbow, it's

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Speaker 3: called and it started hurting my ow. So we had

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Speaker 3: to do practices where the offense won twice in the

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Speaker 3: time in row, and then they had these needles. I

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Speaker 3: either take a shot of Torda on the butt even

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Speaker 3: for preseason games. Made you feel great. But gosh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they don't make that anymore. That's what you did back

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Speaker 3: in the old days. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: Well, back in the old days, they smoked cigarettes in

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Speaker 2: the locker room, as you mentioned, Yeah, that was.

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Speaker 3: When I came out of my mouth like I smoked

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Speaker 3: them through.

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Speaker 6: Well we didn't, none of us did, uh.

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Speaker 2: And we we all have the great stories we all

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Speaker 2: you know, remember in those early days. And Dave, I

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Speaker 2: hope it wasn't too much of an imposition to call

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Speaker 2: you last night and say, hey, come on and join

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Speaker 2: us today, because we've wanted to get you on here

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Speaker 2: and listen. Your royalty when it comes to the Seahawks

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Speaker 2: and fans especially and in the Ring of Honor, and

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Speaker 2: we'll always be thought of that way, uh. And we

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Speaker 2: just we just appreciate it, and thank you for taking

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 6: Brother, Thank you, David, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Jim Williams, I appreciate My daughter said you can't not

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Speaker 3: do that with your friend Dad, so I had to

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 1: She shamed you to him.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that's right.

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Speaker 2: Z Man and Peach will will we have. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for that, and thank all of you for listening to

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Speaker 2: Sea Yak stories. It's it's always a treat to catch

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Speaker 2: up with some of these semi old guys. And until

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Speaker 2: the next time, Zee, thanks so much. David again, thank you,

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Speaker 2: and we will see you folks next time.