1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is all they called 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. If you are hearing this 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: the day it comes out, then congratulations. You may well 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: have survived Thanksgiving. Get together with your friends and family 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: and you know, the family that you see twice a 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: year or so, and I hope you had a good 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: time after the fact. Something that would have been fun 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: to bring up in conversation to deflect from whatever awkward 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: political um peeping contest might have been going down that 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is the question that Ben post just as we 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: were getting ready to podcast. What do the people of 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: Turkey called a Turkey? Yes, yeah, we're we're all about 20 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: the issues here. We found the answer. By the way, 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: Turkey the bird is not native to Turkey the country, 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: but the people are very much aware of it, and 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: the name for it is apparently Hindi, meaning Indian, based 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: on the idea that the bird originates from that part 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: of the world. So yeah, kind of like they pulled 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: a bit of a Christopher Columbus, didn't they. Yeah, yeah, 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: just so because they misnamed something, right, That's how we 28 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: ended up with with the Indies to begin with. Um, yeah, 29 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: you're right, that's something we should have thought about in 30 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: time for the November episodes. But you know what, the 31 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: next year, next year, back pocket that one, yes, backpocket 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: that way, or just you know, bring it up in 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: like March, switch it, switch it up, keep them guessing, 34 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: keep them on their toes and conversation. People still eat 35 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: turkey around the Christmas holidays. That's true. That's true, they do. 36 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: And today we are dedicating time to some amazing conversations 37 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: from our fellow conspiracy realists. Uh, many of which relate 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: to some earlier episodes or earlier explorations we've did in 39 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: Strange News or listener mail. And I Love You brought 40 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: up the idea of deflection because one of the tried 41 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: in true ways to deflect an awkward conversation with a 42 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: family member or a loved one. You might have those 43 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: coming up towards the end of the year, whatever holidays 44 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: you celebrate. One of the best ways to deflect a 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: conversation is to get people to talk about their dreams. 46 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: People are continually mystify by their dreams. We have a 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: pretty comprehensive two part episode on some strange things about 48 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: the world of sleep. We've got one two part episode 49 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: on dreams. We've got another episode on sleep paralysis. And 50 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: people are fellow conspiracy realists often reach out to us 51 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: hoping that together, not just with Matt Noel and myself, 52 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: but together with you listening right now, we can figure 53 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: out some possible interpretations, or we can figure out maybe 54 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: some possible scientific explanations for what's going on when you're asleep. 55 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: Because get this, folks, science is still is a dent. 56 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: Sure they know the mechanisms, scientists know the mechanisms that occur, 57 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: but as far as what your dreams are saying to 58 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: you and how and what is being communicated. If there 59 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: is purposeful communication, it quickly gets into the realm of 60 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: the philosophical Is that fair? Would you guys agree with that? Yeah? 61 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: And and the how? So we can only know as 62 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: much as you tell us, right, and uh, then we 63 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: just make a substance based on that. But what if 64 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: your dreams are trying to tell you something? Huh uh segum. 65 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: We had a listener by the name of Lauren right 66 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: into us, asking that very question, or proposing that she 67 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: maybe has a sense of the answer. Um. Hi, guys, 68 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: I was listening to your listener male segment where you 69 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: talked about recurring dreams, and I found Ben's theory of 70 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: how your subconscious mind can be trying to remind you 71 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: or make you aware of something in your waking life. 72 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: That then had me thinking of an interesting concept of 73 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: whether dreams can be predictive in the sense whether it's 74 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: possible to dream something and have it come true in 75 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: your real or waking life. Ever since I could remember, 76 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: I've had very vivid dreams. I'm a clinically diagnosed insomniac. 77 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: It's very hard for me to sleep at night, but 78 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: when I do, I'm an active, lucid dreamer. Uh. We've 79 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: been deep into the dream content lately, so much so 80 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: that oftentimes I'm not aware I'm in that state at 81 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: all until something unpleasant happens in my dream and I 82 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: suddenly change it. Side note, that would also be an 83 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: interesting topic to dive into, how one can change or 84 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: control what happens in their dreams and how it happens 85 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: in the first place, because skill I had before I 86 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: even knew what it was, and we very much did 87 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: cover that in a recent Listener Mail or Strange News episode. 88 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: I can't remember, but it was just like a week 89 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: or so ago. Um. Anyways, I often have very vivid 90 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: dreams and real dreams. Many times, something happens in my 91 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: dreams that comes true in my waking life later, whether 92 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: it's an event, someone dying, or something as simple as 93 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: someone saying something or doing something they did in my dream. 94 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes these dreams will come true days later or even 95 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: years later, but they come true. For example, I had 96 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: a dream that one of my uncles died from a 97 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: heart attack. I dreamt going to the funeral with my 98 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: parents and remember seeing and feeling how distraught everyone was. 99 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: I even remember the clothing our family war to his service. 100 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: This dream happens several years ago, and I had put 101 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: it out of my mind, hoping it wouldn't be a 102 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: dream that would come true, just a nightmare. Well, last year, 103 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: that same uncle passed away from a heart attack. And 104 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: get this, when we went to his funeral service and 105 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: met up with family, they were all wearing the exact 106 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: same outfits they were in my dream and were acting 107 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: the same exact way they were in my dreams, even 108 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: down to their movements. There's another incident of a dream 109 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: coming true for me where I dreamt of walking along 110 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: Desconzo Gardens here in l A with my siblings. While 111 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: we were walking, my sister had come across a rabbit 112 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: that crossed our path and ducked under some bushes. My 113 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: sister pointed out to me um and crouched down to 114 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: take a picture. Just then her phone fell on the 115 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: dirt and she cursed before picking it up. I had 116 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: dreamt this days before. Uh. They suggested we go, and 117 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: the same exact sequence of events with the rabbit came true. 118 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: She was even wearing the outfit she was in my dream. 119 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: I've had many dreams like this before, and every time 120 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: they've come true. So I guess my question to you 121 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: guys would be if there's a theory out there or 122 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: if you'd be willing to do a more in depth 123 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: episod so about dreams and whether something like this is possible. 124 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: We know of the theory that your dreams can be 125 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: trying to remind you of something in your making life, 126 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: but can they also be telling you something that's going 127 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: to happen in the future. Well, Lauren, you're in luck. 128 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: We actually have a two part series on this that 129 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: we did a couple of years ago, if I'm not mistaken. UM. 130 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 1: It is called have Dreams Really Predicted the Future? Parts 131 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: one and two respectively, UM. And we've got some interesting 132 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: examples from history, one UM involving Abraham Lincoln, and one 133 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: I think involving Mark Twain Ben Um. Abraham Lincoln supposedly 134 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: had a dream. It was reported by his his bodyguard, 135 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: a guy named Ward Hill Laman UM, and it is 136 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: in his UM his biography, the story that was, you know, 137 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: told by this bodyguard UM the idea that Lincoln had 138 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: premonitions of his own death. According to the story, just 139 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: a couple of days before he was assassinated on April fourteenth, 140 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five, Lincoln told the tale of this dream 141 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: that he had had. Where a small group including his wife, 142 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: Mary Todd Lincoln, and Laman himself Um, he walked into 143 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: the east room of the White house to find a 144 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: covered corpse, guarded by soldiers and surrounded by a small 145 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: group of mourners. UM. When Lincoln asked in the dream 146 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: one of the soldiers who had died, the soldier applied 147 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: the president he was killed by an assassin. And also 148 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: Lincoln had a very interesting relationship with this bodyguard. He 149 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: supposedly insisted to Laman that the body on display was 150 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: not his own. Um, so he himself did not view 151 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: the dream as a you know, a premonition of his 152 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: own uh and um. But there's lots of kind of 153 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: speculation in this may or may not have actually taken place, 154 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: casting downs on Laman's story. Well, this also wouldn't have 155 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: been something widely reported because at least not in Lincoln's 156 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: short lifetime, because if it were, it would be it 157 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: would present a perfect opportunity to question the guy's mental 158 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: being at the time. In Society and the Mark Twain story, 159 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: we mentioned that in the two part episode which uh 160 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: I think I really enjoy Lauren, we mentioned this this 161 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: dream anecdote specifically because I sat through the entire uh 162 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: multi volume autobiography of Mark Twain, which was dictated by 163 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: him on his deathbed. I understood the importance of editors, 164 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: even for someone as good as Samuel Clemens, like you 165 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta summarize at some point, you know. But 166 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: but in that in that story, in that autobiography, he 167 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: talks about how he dreamt of his brother Henry's funeral 168 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: before it occurred, and it leads us to a really 169 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: interesting discussion about something called retro causality. Retro Causality is 170 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: such a weird, weird, weird thing. We don't have to 171 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: get in the weeds on it here. But that episode 172 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: is out. It's specifically part two of that episode where 173 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: we talk about this idea of a backwards cause an effect. 174 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: No spoilers, so we're gonna say about that. But uh, 175 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: A lot of people listening to this show today have 176 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: had an experience like yours. My family as well. It's 177 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: quite common on the oddly enough on the on the 178 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: bull and or melungeon side of my family. UM, one 179 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 1: brief anecdote, and I'm sure many people have these in 180 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: their families, But one brief anecdote. UM, an uncle of 181 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: mine who was a brilliant, somewhat sketchy dude. When he 182 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: was the age of six, he was going to go 183 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: on a camping trip with a kid his age, a 184 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: friend of his, and that kid's father. The night before, 185 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: he had a dream, a vision that greatly disturbed him, 186 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: in which the boat was struck by lightning, and uh, 187 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: the everybody on boat died. So he refused to go 188 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: get in trouble for being rude. And that Saturday, I 189 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: believe it was a Saturday, lightning instruct the boat. There 190 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: was not a storm. Apparently lightning struct the boat and 191 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: the man and his son died. Uh. And this is 192 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: this is one of those things that makes you really 193 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: question how far the concept of coincidence can go, you know, 194 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: because those are very specific circumstances, and you might have 195 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: encountered the same thing. When you realize whoa everybody this 196 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: is a scene from my dream. Everybody's wearing the same thing. 197 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: It gets really creepy when you see multiple, multiple real 198 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: life commonalities with what you've dreamed about. Like you might 199 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: dream about a tiger, and then you can go to 200 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: a zoo and see a tiger. But that's not amazing, right, 201 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: that's just I mean, tigers are amazing, but a zoo 202 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: is the place you'd be most likely to see them. 203 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, what is that called like 204 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: bat ter mine huff or something like that, or the 205 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: idea that like when something's on your mind, you start 206 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: start to notice it everywhere. Yeah, in the case in 207 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: the case of a rabbit running across your path at 208 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: the zoo's Yeah right, this wasn't that a zoo though, 209 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: this was just walking around in some gardens. It was 210 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: just like it was a it was a wild rabbit, 211 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: and it was her idea to go out there, and 212 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: she had the dream before. Mm hmm. I think it's cool. 213 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: I think it's endlessly fascinating. It's super cool. I mean obviously, 214 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, I mean I think people a lot of 215 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: people are just starting to get into Dune, you know, 216 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: because of this this DENI even a new film which 217 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: I thought was quite good. But dream premonitions play a 218 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: huge part in that film. Um. You know, the character 219 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: of paul A tradees constantly dreaming of the character that 220 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: he will ultimately meet in you know, the Deserts of 221 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: Dune um Aracus played by Zazzy Beats, which is the 222 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: best name in um in entertainment. Uh. And then you 223 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: know that becomes a really really important part of the 224 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: story and then like this idea of precognition is a 225 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: huge part of like that kind of with the weirding 226 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: way and all of that stuff, and like it kind 227 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: of ties in with the voice and all of that. 228 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: Oh man, I I don't want to spoil these episodes 229 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: for you, Lauren, but I get so excited every time 230 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: that we have the opportunity to chat a little bit 231 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: more about this in the Waking world, because I have 232 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: I didn't understand for a long time that the way 233 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: I dream is not normal, But there's there's something interesting 234 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: we get into the concept of time travel. The we 235 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: have we have to spoil is one thing. The rules 236 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: of reality in the universe is as we encounter them now, 237 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: as we recognize them collectively, they're kind of um. They're 238 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: they're pretty solid for what we would say the middle 239 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: of the size and time spectrum. But when you get 240 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: to the really really big, big, big big stuff and 241 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: to the very very very very small things, those rules 242 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: are not as iron bounds nor as constant as they 243 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: appear from our current, very limited perspective. It seems that 244 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: at the quantum level, time may flow in more than 245 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: one direction simultaneously, and we get really into like brain science, 246 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: because your brain is made up, of course, a very 247 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: very tiny things. What are your thoughts made of? You know? 248 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: How did they move? Well? Man, okay, this is weird. 249 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: Like full disclosure, we're recording this on a Tuesday, and 250 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: this feels like a a Friday conversation, doesn't It sounds 251 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: like a conversation now. I'm just playing um that we 252 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: have been talking about this a lot, and I think 253 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: it's something on many of our minds, weird dreams and 254 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: possibly predicting the future or really truly we're living a 255 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: past event through our minds in that little time machine 256 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: that is closed off, you know, to everything else, and 257 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: yet we still have senses in there, or we experience 258 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: senses when we're in there. I mean that it's the 259 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: flat circle thing. It's the how is it possible that 260 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: something like that could occur? Is time really what we 261 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: think it is? Uh? Boy Ben time time? Yeah? Yeah, man, 262 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: it's a It's strange because what we have to realize 263 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: is that, of course there is something that will be 264 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: endlessly fascinating about the world, the separate world that so 265 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: many people enter when they fall asleep. But there's also 266 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: a bit of arrogance However, well intentioned in thinking that 267 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: we we collectively as a civilization, have everything about this 268 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: figured out, that is very much not the case. There 269 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: is a ton of great research going into dreams. Dreams 270 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: are one of the oldest oldest forms of study of 271 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: the mind in human history. Right empires roves and based 272 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: on dreams. Wars were waged or ended based on dreams, 273 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: and even today, I don't know. I think we brought 274 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: this up more recently than the dream episode, but world 275 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: leaders will still have like do stuff based on a 276 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: dream they had. It is not near as uncommon as 277 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: you might think. And I know, I know it's one 278 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: you're thinking. Shouldn't it be some sort of AI that's 279 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: telling them what to do running a simulation? Yes, But 280 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: if they have a dream was something happening? Uh, then 281 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: they might double check the AI. They might go with 282 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: the dream. Who's gonna stop him? What are you gonna doot? Sorry, 283 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: voting matters, decision. Oh, come on, it's two thousands twenty one, man, 284 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: we don't vote anymore. It's a futile gesture. I'm kidding, 285 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: it's important, Um, you know, speaking of dream though, I'm 286 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: very excited and I hope I'm not let down by 287 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: the upcoming Netflix adaptation of The Sad Man. If you're 288 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: into dreams, uh and fantasy and you know mythology and 289 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: like witchy stuff, UM, highly recommend checking out those graphic 290 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: novels before the show comes out. Um. It's worth doing 291 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: in and of itself, and hopefully it will enhance and 292 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: not detract from your enjoyment of the show, and hopefully 293 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't suck. But very much looking forward to that. 294 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: But I think this is a really interesting topic. And 295 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: thank you for sharing, Lauren. And we're gonna take quick 296 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: break and be back with some more messages from you. 297 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: All right, and we're back now. We did a two 298 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: part series on trade craft year old craft, the craft 299 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: that is not cheese board like the craft just like 300 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: that one. Just and uh. We've gotten some very interesting 301 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: voice messages in some that I don't think we should 302 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: play in the air. We've been asked to not play 303 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: on the air this one. However, the person leaving it 304 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: gave us permission. I'm going to leave their name that 305 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: they supplied us, let's say in there. And Ben, I 306 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: particularly want to get your take on this because I 307 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: did ask that you not listen to this before we 308 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: go live to get you. Just take uh live in 309 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: the moment, nol. I want the same from you, if 310 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: that's okay. This is a person telling us some stories. 311 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Hi, this is Jim. I 312 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: was just enjoying your multiple episodes on trade craft and 313 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to share three stories I had with you. 314 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: In the late eighties, my father got a job with 315 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: the U N and we moved from small town Maine 316 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: to Vienna, Austria, and at that time Austria, being neutral, 317 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: was the center of trade craft um. While I was 318 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: there in high school, we had several things go on. 319 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: One of them was there was once a presentation into 320 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: the students by a Marine guard named Lone Tree, who 321 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: was talking about the pride he had of being a 322 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: marine and being a Novajo tied with the whole code 323 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: talkers from World War Two. A few months later, he 324 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: was arrested for treason because when he was a embassy 325 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: member in Vienna and in Moscow, he got caught in 326 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: the honey pot staying and was giving secrets to his 327 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: Russian girlfriend. The next thing that was interesting is I 328 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: had a friend and his dad was posted as the 329 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: US Military Defense at cash, say in Vienna, and with 330 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: job came a nice kind of big house, probably had 331 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: secure rooms or whatever communications. But the thing we enjoyed, 332 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: me and my friend is it had a nice flat 333 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: roof and in the winter we would go up on 334 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: the roof because there was an active probably for helicopters 335 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: who knows, and throw snowballs at the white panel truck 336 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: that was always parked just out front of their house 337 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: until the Russian listening team would come out and sweare 338 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: this and Russian and we would laugh and go back inside. 339 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: That was always fun. The last thing I wanted to 340 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: share is there's a bar in Vienna and I can't 341 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: remember the name, but when you go in, if they 342 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: know you, or once you order your drink and they 343 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: can identify your nationality, they play a bit of your 344 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: national anthem, so all the other members in the trade 345 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: in the bar can identify who you're playing for. So 346 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: it was quite interesting because you know, people would go 347 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: in and they would immediately identify them that they worked 348 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: for the CIA in the US, and the national anthem 349 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: would go on, or you know, the Russian anthem would 350 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: go on when someone else orders a drink, just to 351 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: make an even playing field for all the spies there. Well, 352 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: thank you for the great podcast and keep up the 353 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: great work. Oh wow, yeah, thanks John. Three separate stories 354 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: in there that I thought, I think we're discussing. No, 355 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: that is, let's hold that up for the class. That is, 356 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: that is how you do a phone call, packed it 357 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: in lots of good, nutritious information and that very short call. 358 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: Well done, star student. So is this bar move kind 359 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: of like a flex is it? Is it like to intimidate? 360 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: Is it to like kind of say like, we know 361 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: who you are and you can't you can't trick us. 362 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: What's the point of that? Maybe maybe a little? I 363 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: would say it's more to maintain it as a safe 364 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: ground because the thing is neutral, like a Switzerlands kind 365 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: of which Vienna is, as Jim pointed out, a hotbed 366 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: at this time in the Cold War. So there's something 367 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: else that's important. It's going on here, And people don't 368 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: talk about this often, but I guarantee you you have 369 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: been in a conversation like this before, when you were 370 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: talking with someone, maybe at an acrimonitious level, and you're 371 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: you're lying to them and they're lying to you, and 372 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: you both know that you're both lying, and what you 373 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: have a conversation about, oddly enough, tends to pretty much 374 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: be very close to the truth because you're just able 375 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: to suss out what the motivation for the song and 376 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: dance you're doing. And so if you walk in, if 377 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: we have a Matt walk in and then um, Matt, 378 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: just pick a country at random. Okay, Matt walks in 379 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: and that is a nice choice actually for this that 380 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: walks in. Uh the Polish. The statue of the Polish 381 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: theme song is playing, and and noll uh you know 382 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: you're there to meet an asset from Poland, right that 383 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: you've never you haven't known before. And you probably would 384 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: have some kind of um physical description. It would be 385 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: something easy to get rid of, like a specific type 386 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: of hat that wouldn't stick out too much. And then 387 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: you might have rose perhaps right just like seal just 388 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: by a Rows comes on and they're like, okay, the 389 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: Polish guys here, uh you know the the The other 390 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: thing would be some kind of code phrase or interaction. Um. 391 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: But and you would instantly know it's the bar's way 392 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: of making everybody have their cards on the table. And also, 393 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: I bet, I bet it's possible to game that system. 394 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure many people tried, right, right, And Okay, so 395 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: there's so many things I want to talk about, but 396 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: let's stick with the bar for now. I love that 397 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: you're already thinking that way, Ben, because that to me, 398 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: if we're talking about someone who's perhaps a double agent 399 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: or working, you know, for another one of the numerous 400 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: embassies and other mission like missions that exist from other 401 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: countries within Vienna Austria. Uh, you could go in there 402 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: order you know, some drink, let's say, that would maybe 403 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: just point you out as, oh, this guy's from Yugoslavia, 404 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: but you're not actually from Yugoslavia. You're working to game 405 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: somebody who is there from Yugoslavia, and you wear a 406 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: particular thing that looks like I mean, dude, I love 407 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: that concept. Um. The whole point of it occurring there 408 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: in Vienna Austria is because, as you said, been like Switzerland, 409 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: like several other places that were kind of close in 410 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: proximity to the Soviet Union at the time, and some 411 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: of the countries that were Soviet block it was it 412 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: was just a highly strategic place, especially for Western spies 413 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: and for you know, Allies, Allied spies and everybody kind 414 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: of had their people there and it was it's a 415 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: very interesting time, especially in the eighties as well, honestly 416 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: as well as right now. Vienna, Austria, it is a 417 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: a place where spies gathered, where intelligence is gained. And 418 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: there's a great BBC article you can check out right 419 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: now titled Vienna Nest of Spies, Why Austria is still 420 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: Center for Espionage was written in by Bethany Bell, and uh, 421 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: there's way more stuff in there just like that, including 422 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: an article from The Cipher Brief, which is a book 423 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: review that just came out this month, and it is, uh, 424 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: it's just looking at all of the different actors that 425 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: were and are at play in Vienna, Austria. Yeah, there's 426 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: another thing that um, probably a lot of people in 427 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: the US don't know about unless you're in the game. 428 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: Austria to this day has some of the most relaxed 429 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: espionage or spying laws of any country in the world. 430 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: And it hasn't changed since the fall of the Austro 431 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: Hungarian Empire, despite two World Wars, despite the Cold War. 432 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: You want to, you know, you want to really get 433 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: into into some espionage stuff. Um, Austria is in Vienna specifically, 434 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: it's a It's a good place to consider. The only 435 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: problem is, at times, like a pool in a savannah 436 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: and the grassland during a drought, you're gonna run into 437 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: a lot of other animals that you would normally avoid. Well, 438 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: that sounded unnecessarily cryptic, but it's true. There are a 439 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 1: lot of people. There are a lot of thirsty spies 440 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: out there, you know, if we want to make that 441 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: analogy even more painful, the bar is the pool, who 442 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: is the law? Okay, we haven't considered here. As a 443 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: bar of this type, um would have to have a 444 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: pretty wide selection of spirits, you know what I mean, 445 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: from different like parts of the world. Like when you 446 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: mentioned what would someone from Yugoslavia drink? I looked it up, 447 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: and Um, there's a very popular Serbian drink called rakija 448 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: that is made from fermented fruit, And that would be 449 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: exactly the kind of thing that when they would have 450 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: to have in a place like this that you wouldn't 451 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: typically see in like your neighborhood pub or like things 452 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: like grappa, you know, like from Italy and maybe different types. 453 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: So I mean, it just seems like that would be 454 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: sort of the stock in trade of a place like this. 455 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: In order for for a drink to be so specifically 456 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: tied to someone's nationality, they'd have to have some like 457 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: kind of outside of the box stuff. Yeah, you can 458 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: only imagine that would be an interesting way to you 459 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: identify someone, but it could be gamed, as we mentioned. 460 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: So just a couple of other things and we'll get 461 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: out of here for this one. But that first story, 462 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: someone who was pretty well known who was going around 463 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: doing speaking engagements at high schools. Who was he saying? 464 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: This person was He's a Marine guard and part of 465 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: the Navajo program. Yeah, which is just for anyone who 466 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: doesn't know, I think we should explain that real quick. 467 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: That's yes. So there was this program. Two, it was 468 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: a new approach for the US to cryptography. They said, well, 469 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: let's take let's take these members of the Navajo speaking 470 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: community and let's have them communicate with one another. Because 471 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: Navajo is as a language to an outsider, would be 472 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: very difficult for enemy forces to crack. It's later been 473 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: popularized in various war fires, particularly in the Vietnam era. 474 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 1: But these people did an invaluable service to their country, 475 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: and they were in a very dangerous situation. They were 476 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: in a UM. The code talkers were kind of a 477 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: well put bluntly, the best way to compromise a code 478 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: that effective would be to capture someone who speaks that language. 479 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: So they were very much in a situation where there 480 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: were serious conversations about killing them rather than allowing them 481 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: to be captured, which is a dark thing to think about. Also, 482 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: the correct name for Navajo language, I believe is DNA 483 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 1: d I N disrespect where it's new. When you think 484 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: about it as a strategy, it's pretty brilliant, you know, 485 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: And indigenous people native to the land upon which you 486 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: live and operate, you know, any any of your enemies 487 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: that live far away especially, aren't going to have any 488 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: idea how to how to decode that. It's World War 489 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: two and then Korean War, Vietnam War. I mean, there's 490 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: no way a round it. It worked, so that guy 491 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: obviously would seem to be a v I P right, 492 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: a high value target. UM. But one thing a lot 493 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: of people don't talk about, and I'm sure we've got 494 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: some calls into three S T D W Y T 495 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: K about this, is that information like actionable useful information 496 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: in the world of spying is it's what's called highly perishable. 497 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: So if you knew everything that was going down in 498 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: like this specific country or this specific operation several decades ago, 499 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: it's not it's quickly going to become way less useful 500 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: than you might think. So keep that in mind when 501 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: you try to try to turn and become a spy 502 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: yourself for a foreign power. They may not want your stuff. 503 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: They may already know, yeah, or they may want it 504 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: right now. And then that's it when you learned it 505 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: and what it's, what it's in regard to. But he 506 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: felt for the two ten rule, didn't he met? Did 507 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: he fell for the rule? Just be careful who you 508 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: sleep with and or co work with or whatever you 509 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: want to call it, because that sounds like the most 510 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: canoodle upon somebody. That sounds very liscilious. I'm sure, I'm 511 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: sure it is. Um that was That was the other thing, 512 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: just s don't do that because you will sell your 513 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: secrets because you have to. And then what was the 514 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: other one? Was the other ones about being on a 515 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: roof at the defense at Tiche's house and throwing stuff 516 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: at the panel van that has the spies in it. Yeah, 517 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: until they got irritated and came out like you digs. Uh, 518 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: there's I do have a question for that one, Matt. 519 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: And this is this is a question for Jim as well. Um. 520 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: Given the high density of government representatives, both clandestine and official, 521 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: in the at this time, um, and given how small 522 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: the world of espion onge tradecraft can feel at times, 523 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: is it possible that like my assumption, I want to 524 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: be unfair here, but my assumption is the defense attach 525 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: a and his team not only know that the Russians 526 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: are spying, but they might know those Russians, you know, 527 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: there might even be It sounds weird, but but this 528 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: stuff can get so incredibly absurd and surreal it wouldn't 529 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: be a total surprise if one day, as a flex 530 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: or just as basic human decency, the attache or someone 531 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: who works for walks out to the van and they've 532 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: got like some drinks, you know, they got like some leimonade, 533 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: maybe some snacks. How are you guys doing? Okay? Well, 534 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: stay warm because uh, we know you have to stay 535 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: here for another three hours and we know where you 536 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: will go when you leave. Enjoy eliminated, right, Like That's 537 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: that's how stuff like this happens sometimes. Yeah, yeah, I 538 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: don't know. Absolutely absolute last thing, guys, there's an article 539 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: in the New Yorker that I thought would pique your interest. 540 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: Remember the Havana syndrome that we talked about. Oh yeah, 541 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: that's due for a full episode, I think update time. 542 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: Well it's uh, the new hot spot is in Vienna 543 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: at least as of July, so just something to think about. 544 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: It's weird all these embassies getting targeted. That's strange. They're 545 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: just diplomats, right, that's strange that somebody would target them 546 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: with I don't know, microwave weapons, maybe weird stuff. If 547 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: you're being facetious, I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. No, 548 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: it's true. Okay, sorry, sorry, man, I'm just not good 549 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: at decoding sarcasm sometimes I just have to make sure 550 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: we're on the same dude, not at all. You're great 551 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: at it. We're a real snark snarky sup. Well that's 552 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: the thing, you know. Circumstances actually may find me in 553 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: Vienna for just just they s yes, seriously, it's true. 554 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: Before these phone calls. But I will report back and 555 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: let you know. Um, I'll hit up some bars and 556 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: see if I can I can find the right one, 557 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: and then we'll update it and we'll see what nationality 558 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: they thought it was. That's the thing. I wake up 559 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: in the morning, I brush my teeth, and I stare 560 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: in the mirror and I go, Ben is not a spy. 561 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: Ben is not ancel Yeah, And I didn't say yeah 562 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: like it was in the midst of a very serious 563 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: conversation as well. No, no, no, I think uh. I 564 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: think Vienna must be a beautiful place, and I I 565 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: have not been there yet. So we'll see how. We'll 566 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: see how travel restrictions go. There's a the news isn't 567 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: looking great out of every European country. Um, you don't 568 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: want to get stuck in? Should I be concerned? I'm 569 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: going to Berlin in February. Honestly, man, get the booster. 570 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: If you haven't be careful. Oh you mean just if 571 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: you you have to test to get back in the country, 572 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: and if you actually accident like get it, then you're stuck. 573 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: That's all you're saying. You maybe you may be stuck. Well, 574 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: the US doesn't. The US legally does not refuse entry 575 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 1: to U. S. Citizens. So it's kind of like if 576 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: you can get on the plane, if you can get 577 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: back over the ocean, you get to the U. S. 578 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: You go through customs, you might you know what, we 579 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: should ask for stories from some of our fellow conspiracy 580 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: realists who have traveled internationally in the past few months. 581 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: And with that, thank you very much Jim for calling 582 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: in giving those stories to us. Any other stories like 583 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: that you want to send in? We are all ears. 584 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: We are a listening post for your stories. Uh and 585 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: also you listening right now. We want to hear your 586 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: stuff too. Our numbers one, three, three, std W y 587 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: t K call in, please leave a message. We'll tell 588 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: you more later. All right, We'll be right back with 589 00:34:50,239 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: more messages from you. And we have returned. This is 590 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: this is interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing where this 591 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: conversation leads us today. So Shag Wise or Shag Whizzy 592 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: a k A. Hansi Packer Jr. Right, So, I know, 593 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: I know it's like the YouTube days. I loved it 594 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: when people would make these amazing, articulate, insightful, profound points 595 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: and I would have to say, like, that is an 596 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: excellent summation and that's an interesting perspective. Thank you so much. 597 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: But Daddy sixty nine x x X, you know I 598 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: I do agree with your thoughts on the gold standard 599 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: in the eight hundreds. But but yeah, so Hansie Packer 600 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: A K. Hansi Packer Jr. Excuse me, uh A K. 601 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: Shag Wizzy write soon and says hey, Ben Matton Noell. 602 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: First of all, thanks for all the great work you do. 603 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: I've never found another podcast, video series, radio show that 604 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: does as good a job of evaluating alternative theories. Fairly 605 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: thanks man. Uh it is a breath of fresh air, 606 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: especially in this post truth era. I've been listening to 607 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: podcast since the very beginning, started with YouTube videos. It 608 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: was stuff that once you know, that turned me onto 609 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: how stuff works in its entirety. We don't get that often. 610 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: I hope you've been enjoying and appreciating my heart. As 611 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: a current a parent parent company, I hope they let 612 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: you speak up as freely as you need. I have 613 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: a request for you three Several times you have mentioned 614 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: psychedelics and their associated effects and experiences, machine ells, alternate dimensions, 615 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: trauma therapy. The list goes on. I have another Well, 616 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: you're in the right place, Shaguy, because we love to 617 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: talk about this stuff. One night several months ago, you 618 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: say I consumed a smallish dose of magical mushrooms alongside 619 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: some cannabis. Hands. He points out that a smallish dose 620 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: for this person is one point five grams, and that 621 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: they use three point five grams as a standard full dose, 622 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: a big boy dose or whatever. Does that check out 623 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: with you, guys? Maybe? No, I mean three point five 624 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: grams is an eighth of an ounce. That's typically, you know, 625 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: what you would buy a minimum amount of psychedelic mushrooms, 626 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: and um, if you wanted to really have a heroic dose, 627 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: as Terence McKenna puts, you, every last one of them. 628 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: But um, typically I think folks are more looking for 629 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: maybe something a little more mellow. But it's also a 630 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: lot of just kind of gross dry shrimmage to consume. Yeah, 631 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: it's gotta It's one of those things where you're probably 632 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 1: not eating it for the taste anyway. So hands, he says. 633 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: As my friend continue to watch television, I went to 634 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: the back room, burned some sage, meditated. After quite some time, 635 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: I glimned several images of Nazi imagery flowing before my 636 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: closed eyes, Tanks waving flags, marching in line with the mud, fires, 637 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: burning books, salutes, and so on. It was disconcerting, but 638 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: not anxiety written. Then a name came into my mind, 639 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: a name not written out, maybe spoken, but just known, 640 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: A name that implied great intimacy like I had known 641 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: it well, A name that perhaps had been my own 642 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: Hans Becker, or, to be truthful, of another spelling. Since 643 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: it was not written out for me, though the name 644 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: is wholly unfamiliar to me, I can't claim without a 645 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: doubt that it was a past life of mine. I 646 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: researched the name to the best of my abilities, found 647 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: a handful of appropriate Wikipedia entries about various Hans Beckers 648 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: that I did not know my ignorance notwithstanding, A skeptic 649 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: might point out the fact that I watched many World 650 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: War Two documentaries as a kid, and it's entirely possible 651 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: that a decorated S S officer may have been mentioned 652 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 1: in passing. If that's the Hans Becker that have been mentioned, 653 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: then it's possible that some obscure neuropathway have been opened 654 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: up due to the magic mushrooms, and I misinterpreted the 655 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: connection in the same way that cases of demonic possession 656 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: speaking in tongues glossal alia can be written off as 657 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: exposure to that language tangentially in university been here hands, 658 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: the specifically name checks the exorcism of Emily Rose. Here's 659 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: hands these question for us? This is what I ask 660 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: of you. Is Becker a footnote of history I may 661 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: have come across via s m TV documentary. I've gone 662 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: out of my way to not read many books or 663 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: do any in depth research into World War Two for 664 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: most of my life, or our magical mushrooms, something more, 665 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,720 Speaker 1: something they don't want you to know. Can you find 666 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: anything about a Hans or Hans or Hans with a 667 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: Z or Hans Becker or Becker or Beckert that would 668 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 1: undermine my past life revelation theory? Or if your plates 669 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 1: are just too full, I get that. I'd appreciate any 670 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: tips on how to research for this name. Um and 671 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: then we've got some great pss uh the ps. The 672 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: rest of that night was pleasant. My friend and I 673 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: laid in the backyard to watch the stars as we 674 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: took front row of our giant stone spaceship on our 675 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: path through the cosmos. Also, I saw cheese this, oh 676 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: man oh, and then Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. A 677 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: couple others. Great point, great points, all great points all 678 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: HANSI Packer, Well, what do you guys, what do you 679 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: guys think? Um, this gave me cloud Atlas vibes. It's 680 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: it's a story that I really love. I know the 681 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: movie adaptation isn't the same as the book, of course, 682 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: but David Mitchell is a wonderful author, and it's quite 683 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: a profound philosophy that he brings forward. Um. Now, Matt, 684 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 1: I believe it's you among us that generally just doesn't 685 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: believe in the idea of reincarnation, right, Like, it's a 686 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: nice idea, But person I thought you said that. I 687 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 1: thought you said that a while back. You know, I 688 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: probably did, because I currently don't. I. Um, I want 689 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: to get too personally, had a cousins a little older 690 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: that truly believed she was a Chinese man in a 691 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: past life, and she she had all of the details 692 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: of her time during a certain dynasty, um laid out 693 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: before her in some kind of you know, other state, 694 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: and I truly believed it for some time. I don't 695 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: know she currently still believes it. But it definitely put 696 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,399 Speaker 1: me off a little bit, just because it seemed so 697 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: strange and not real to me. But then, of course 698 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: I've read a lot, We've learned a lot I've personally 699 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: learned a ton over the course of years doing the 700 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: show with you guys, and uh, I'm more interested without 701 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 1: fully being on board. I feel that I feel that 702 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: way all about a lot of things in terms of religion, 703 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: like many aspects of religion like I'm fascinated by. I 704 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,760 Speaker 1: would not say that I can whole wholly count anything 705 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: out because I don't know enough to know whether it's 706 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: knowable or not. That makes sense, And I feel that 707 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: way about reincarnation. The logistics of it fascinate me. It 708 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: requires a lot of kind of magical thinking, you know, 709 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: and a real uh co sign on some you know, 710 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: kind of articles of faith. But um, it's a cool 711 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: idea for sure, and it's it's also obviously wrap up 712 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: in a lot of different religions and that kind of 713 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: parallel thinking way. I also learned something interesting just now. 714 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: The writer David Mitchell, who wrote Cloud Atlas, is the 715 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: co writer of the new Matrix movie Full Circle makes Sense. 716 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: He's the man for it. He also wrote a He 717 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: also wrote a novel that is not going to come 718 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: out for uh like a hundred years something. He did 719 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: it for a charity. It immediately went into a time capsule. 720 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: I believe the name of this story is from me 721 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: flows what you call time, which is a great title, 722 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: right and uh and so yeah, this guy is is 723 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: very talented author. But who was he in his past life? 724 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: Who will he be next time around? Who is Hans Becker? 725 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 1: So I looked into this a little bit and hands 726 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 1: he there. There's some interesting things you are right as 727 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: as you already know, there was a Hans Becker who 728 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: was in the SS during World War Two. He passed 729 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: away in August of nineteen. He was killed in action 730 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: in France. You can find photos of him. You can 731 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: find him mentioned in books like A Retreat to the 732 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: Reich by Samuel W. Mitchem, also a junior. And uh, 733 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: and you can you know when you see photos here, 734 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: he's not necessarily one of the big like the big players, 735 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's not the subject of 736 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: a history documentary. But he's also maybe not the Hans 737 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: you're looking for, if we were just to do a 738 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: Jedi hand motion, not the Hans you're looking for. There 739 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: are multiple people alive now today named Hans Becker. It's 740 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: a name shared by many people. I think you make 741 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 1: a great point about not having encountered the spelling. So 742 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: you heard a disembodied voice, or you had a feeling 743 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 1: it just appeared in your mind. It is possible that 744 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: you may be remembering something that just sort of floated 745 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: up to the surface of your conscious man without you know, 746 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: and you don't know where it came from. But to 747 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: your earlier point, no, it would be I think it's 748 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: it's both arrogant and irresponsible to assume that we do 749 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: know exactly what caused it. In either direction, Um, life 750 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: after death has never been proven, reincarnation has never been proven, 751 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: and they have not been disproven either, because human civilization 752 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: simply does not have the tools at this time that 753 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: it would need to ask those questions and answer them 754 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: in a scientifically valid way. But that's why we have 755 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: the deep tradition of religious beliefs. And I think I 756 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: can say it, well, let's talk about this. We'll see 757 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: if we cut it later. But um, Matt, no, uh, 758 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,240 Speaker 1: you guys know, I've I've interacted with a lot of 759 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: off the beaten path religions and um, my father actually 760 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: believes he has invented his own religion. I think we 761 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: talked us believe that he is. Yeah, so the idea 762 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: to him the problem he had reincarnation originally, and I 763 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 1: want to see what you think of this Handsey as well. 764 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: The idea was he said, one of the biggest problems 765 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 1: with reincarnation is that so many people are reincarnated as 766 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: famous people, right like, oh, my life, man, be where 767 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 1: I wanted to be now that I used to be 768 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: Napoleon Bonaparte, or I was Cleopatra or Helen of Troy 769 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: or montsa Musa or whomever. Uh. And he said, you 770 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: know the problem with reincarnation is that you have thousands 771 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: of people claiming they once were Napoleon, and then where 772 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: are the people who were, Like I lived for a 773 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 1: while in France under Napoleon. I died when I was 774 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: nineteen life. All I ate was, are there people where 775 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: those there are people that claim they know who they 776 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: were previously? That seems like poppy washed to me. There 777 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: are a lot of people, Yeah, my cousin, literally how 778 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: can I know? This was very specific. There are men 779 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: in black style mind a race that happens when you 780 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: when you bounce from one to another. Rules. Man, let 781 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,799 Speaker 1: the rules. I would just say, in the case of 782 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 1: many that I've heard about, it comes from hypnotic regression therapy, 783 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 1: which is a very is a very problematic approach. It's 784 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: the methodology of that is not sound. But that's your 785 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: best next step right now, hansy jaguise here us. If 786 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,479 Speaker 1: you want to learn more about this Hans Becker, then 787 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: try the hypnotherapy stuff, try something that seems legit, or 788 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: you can try it at home with a friend. Just 789 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: be aware it's not scientifically sound and biases can occur. 790 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: But really what you're doing is you're learning more about yourself. 791 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: Even if you don't find a Hans Becker that seems 792 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 1: to you like the Hans Becker, like your Hans Becker, 793 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: you will doubtlessly uh encounter aspects of yourself that you 794 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: have not consciously encountered before. And that is that is 795 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: a noble thing, and it can be a challenging thing. Um. Anyway, 796 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,879 Speaker 1: my old man, with the way the way he thought 797 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: about it, his um his approach to the concept of 798 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: reincarnation was that yes, multiple people were, in fact Napoleon 799 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: at different stages in their lives. In that guy's life, 800 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: we're in different universes. So he thought it was completely 801 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: possible that you might be like splintering into the multiverse 802 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: and then they're all possibility. Like if reincarnation were constructed 803 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 1: as a fractal that's I know, that's a lot to 804 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: think about. And I couldn't get out of the car. 805 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,240 Speaker 1: We were on a long trip. I was a child, 806 00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: So so yeah, you have you have to find your 807 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: You have to find your own personal beliefs, the things 808 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: that fit with you. And you know, I would love 809 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: to hear more stories of reincarnation or take some reincarnation 810 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: your thoughts on it? Is the idea of oblivion simply 811 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: so challenging that people have to rationalize something else, right 812 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: or is it? You know? How how will spirituality in 813 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: the human species be affected when we are able to 814 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 1: create the first virtual copy of a mind ship of 815 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: thesis doesn't even begin to describe how crazy that will get, 816 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: because you know, when we have the level of fidelities 817 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 1: such that you can completely map a mind, it's cognitive 818 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,240 Speaker 1: warts and all, and then you can put that pattern 819 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: into something that can reliably reproduce it. If you did 820 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: that and you knew that mind that you had just copied, 821 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: you knew it would respond to everything the way that 822 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,520 Speaker 1: the human version of it did, and it could learn right, 823 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: and it could build off its own experiences and it 824 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: knew it was trapped in a box. Then is that 825 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: not the same person? You know what I mean? Like 826 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: if you have multiple copies of four, it's a different book. 827 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: But is it not the same story? I don't know. 828 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: I guess same words, the same words, same order, bro man. 829 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,799 Speaker 1: Well hey, oh hennessee, I you know? Or what was it? 830 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: What is the person? Hans hansy penis? No? What is 831 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: that from? Is that key? And pees? Yes? Teacher a 832 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,319 Speaker 1: Ron Okay, all right? That was stuck in my head 833 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 1: from classic sketch. And I gotta ask you, have you 834 00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: read nineteen eighty four the mash Up Nation at four 835 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,840 Speaker 1: and Fahrenheit four fifty one it's called Fahrenheit nine? Is 836 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: are you messing with me? It's it would be cool 837 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: though you did get because that that makes me think 838 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: we got this other great letter, um I was pointing 839 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: out and it was immensely grateful for this, pointing out 840 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: that idea of AI generated films that you can turn 841 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: into mathly back and I thought about scenes, yeah, yeah, 842 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,439 Speaker 1: and so we're we're grateful for that. We have so 843 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: many other letters, stories, voicemails that we cannot wait to 844 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,360 Speaker 1: share with you. We're gonna have some more of these 845 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,879 Speaker 1: as we get closer to what I think is still 846 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,280 Speaker 1: arbitrarily called the end of the year. Whatever, everybody agreed, 847 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: that's fine. We don't have to pick a new one. 848 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,320 Speaker 1: But uh, but we will continue this um and we 849 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 1: we love doing this, love hanging out with you. We 850 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 1: can't wait to hear your stories. So you want to 851 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 1: take a page or an email prompt from our conspiracy 852 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: realists we met today, why not do it? We try 853 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: to be easy to find online. We can't wait to 854 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 1: hear from you. And before we do, the outro Matt 855 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,880 Speaker 1: just for the ease of conscience. Was the feedback for 856 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:26,880 Speaker 1: those phone calls about tradecraft. Generally, okay, nothing nothing, Everything 857 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: was good, just weird. It's a weird world and if 858 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,799 Speaker 1: you want to be a part of it. Here's how 859 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 1: to find us online. Internet, you say, what's that? Oh yeah, 860 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 1: is the place where you can find us in the 861 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: usual corners of note like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, where you 862 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 1: can find it under the handle conspiracy stuff on Instagram. 863 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: We are a conspiracy stuff show. Yes, always always YouTube, 864 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,360 Speaker 1: go there, find find the new videos, find the old videos. 865 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,800 Speaker 1: Just get lost. You're gonna love it and tell your friends. 866 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,240 Speaker 1: Just do it and share the show with somebody, especially 867 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: when you're hanging around I don't know, it's the holidays. 868 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: Share the show with a cousin or that uncle. You 869 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,759 Speaker 1: know that uncle, Share with him, see see what he 870 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: has to say about one of your favorite Everyone has 871 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: that uncle. I just don't get it. It's just a 872 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: lot of us. There are a lot of cool uncles 873 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 1: out there, man. I mean so yes, uh yeah, do 874 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 1: do help us out with that, and please make your 875 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: voice heard and if you want to do that literally 876 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: and you don't care for social media. Out of all 877 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: the shows in the world of podcasting, we're the ones 878 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 1: who get that fear, get that concerned, get that It's like, 879 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,359 Speaker 1: that's why we have a phone number that you can 880 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 1: call it twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, 881 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,160 Speaker 1: one eight three three S T D W Y t K. 882 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,680 Speaker 1: You'll hear a message. It tells you you're in the 883 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 1: right place. You'll have three minutes. Those are your three minutes, 884 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,520 Speaker 1: and you can do with them what you will. We 885 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: always love it if we hear a cool sick nickname 886 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: like take take a note from shag Wise over there. 887 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 1: We also would love to have your permission to just 888 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: let us know whether or not we can use your 889 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,799 Speaker 1: message on air. Give us a message, and most importantly, 890 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: don't censor yourself. If you have something that could use 891 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,400 Speaker 1: some additional links, some photographs, if you have a longer story, 892 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,879 Speaker 1: don't feel like you have to tell us in three 893 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: minute increments over ten phone calls. Just send us an 894 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,240 Speaker 1: email right the whole thing out. We read every single 895 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,279 Speaker 1: letter of every single email we get, and we can't 896 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: wait to hear from you. All you have to do 897 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: is shoot us a lot. We are conspiracy at i 898 00:53:40,080 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 1: heeart radio dot com. Uff they don't want you to 899 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,719 Speaker 1: know is a production of I heart Radio. For more 900 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 1: podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, 901 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,440 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.