1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back Bob left Seth Podcast. My guest 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: today is Darius Rutger, who has a new autobiography, Life's 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: Too Short. Darius, how good a golfer? Are you? 4 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: Okay? I mean I can play, I get around. You know, 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: I play a lot, so I should be okay. I'm like, 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: I'm I'm like a five, so I'm okay. How often 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: do you play a five days a week? So you 8 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: play when you're on the road, you belong to a club? 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: What's going on? I'm along to a lot of clubs, 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: but uh, I do play a lot of the road. 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: Is why I'm play on both of my golf because 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: there's really nothing else to do all day. So I 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 2: usually get up pretty early, player around the golf before 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: working out, getting the rest of the day started. 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: And do you still take lessons at this point? How 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: do you improve your game? 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: I do? 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: I do? 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: I still take lessons when, uh you know, when when 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: things start to go a little south, I got I 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: got a guy here, Dastviel that uh that helps me out. 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: So uh, I do definitely still take lessons. And what 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: kind of clubs do you use? 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: I played p XG you know, I love them. I 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: think they're the best clubs in the world. So, yeah, 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: I love playing those those. 27 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: And is that because you have a relationship with the 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: company or you how did you discover that brand? 29 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: Uh? I thought I played them with the first generation 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: and I just thought they were really good. But I 31 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: took a relationship with the company. But uh, I just 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: thought they were really good. Every year they seem to 33 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: get better. And and so I'll get a new set 34 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: of clubs every every every now and then, and uh, 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: you know, every time I get a new set, they're better. 36 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: So you played with a lot of pro golfers. What 37 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: have you learned from them about the game? 38 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 3: Oh? 39 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: I learned that they play a different game than we do. 40 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: Oh, that's for sure, you know. 41 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: Uh. 42 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: And you know, the best thing about playing with the pros, 43 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: you know, everybody I've getting to play with, is they're 44 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: always so willing to help you with advice and you know, 45 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: let you know little little intricacies of the game that 46 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: you're doing wrong that you can help and you could 47 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: improve on. 48 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: And uh. 49 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: And so I always enjoy when I get to play 50 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: with professionals, even though really they don't play the same 51 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: game we play. 52 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: It should have a different name. 53 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: Well, I know, you know, they work the ball, they 54 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: do other things. But tell me how the game is 55 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: different for the professionals. 56 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: I mean everything, the sound of the sound of the 57 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: ball coming off the club. 58 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: You know. 59 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: The thing that I that I'm so envious of when 60 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: it comes to professional golfers is their consistency. I mean, 61 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: they just hit the ball the same way almost every time, 62 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: and they and and you know, it's just that's that's 63 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: the worst part. 64 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: Of my game. 65 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: I'm not consistent enough. I should be a better golfer. 66 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: But uh but I just love love watching them play. 67 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: I love watching him hit the ball. And they hit 68 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: it so much further than we do. I mean, it's 69 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: it's not even fair. 70 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: So why do you think they hit it further than 71 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: the amateurs? 72 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: Because they know what they're doing. They know what they're doing, 73 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: and we're we're also trying to figure it out. And 74 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: it golf is one of those games. 75 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. 76 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: When you get to that level, it's just they just 77 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: know what to do. They know, you know how, like 78 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: you say, work at the ball, left, right and all 79 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: that stuff. They just know how to hit it. And 80 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: even coming off the club, it sounds different than what 81 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: we do. So they're just you know, they're just a 82 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: different level. 83 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: And as far as people, what's the difference between athletes 84 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: like golfers and musicians as. 85 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: Far as people, I mean, the one thing I would 86 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: say with that is like, you know, people are people 87 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: and they're you know, their personalities may be different, uh, 88 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: you know, the way they see the world may be different, 89 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: but but really, at the end of the day, you know, 90 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: we're all just human And that's something I learned, you know, 91 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: you know, with my success and I've learned hanging out 92 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: with a lot of athletes that you know, at the 93 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: end of the day, we all have problems, and we 94 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: all have kids that we worry about, and we all 95 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: you know, worry about our health, and we you know, 96 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we're all just human beings. 97 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: But golf they scored differently than music. You know, there's 98 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: par everybody plays in a tournament. What separates the winners 99 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: from the losers? In your mind? 100 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: Oh, the golf is what separation winners from the losers. 101 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: I think it's short game and punting because they could 102 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: all hit it. You know, they all hit they all 103 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: hit the green and they all are around the green, 104 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: you know, and the guys that can get up and 105 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: down or will make big putts, make long putts. I mean, 106 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: those are the guys that win tournaments, and those are 107 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: the guys that become legends. 108 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: You know. 109 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: You know, you think of all the greats and you 110 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: could probably picture some putt that they made that that 111 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: you know, that was just amazing, or some ship that 112 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: they made that was just amazing. 113 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 3: And I think that's what really separates golfers, is a 114 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: short game. 115 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: And then how about in terms of attitude. 116 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 3: Oh, I think that's got a lot to do with golf. 117 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: I think I think that the great players, the great 118 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: players don't let bad shots get them down. And know 119 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: you that they all have the attitude of you know, 120 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: I got to hit the next shot. And I think 121 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: that's that's something we're talking about golfer. I think that's 122 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: something in life. The people who are really successful don't 123 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: let the little thing, not the little things, or just 124 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: don't let a setback get them down. 125 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: You know. 126 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's like like if me and music, you know, 127 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: if there's a setback, if you know, one single didn't 128 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: do well, well, you know, we go to the next thing. 129 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: You know. 130 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: It's it's just I think really successful people have a 131 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: way of not letting things get them down and realizing, 132 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: you know, Okay, we got to move on to the 133 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: next thing and or move on to the next shot 134 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: and do that better. 135 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: And if all the courses you played, if you could 136 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: just play one or two, what courses would they be? 137 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 2: Oh, if I could just play one or two Dustin National, 138 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: for sure, you know, I just think that's every time 139 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: I've been blessed to play there. It's just there's really 140 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: nothing like it. It's just every time I and I've 141 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: gotten to play quite a few times, and every time 142 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: I go through that kid, I can't believe if I'm 143 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: getting to play Augusta, I can't believe I'm on the 144 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: grounds of Augusta National. 145 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: And probably the. 146 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: Other one, you know, either either Bulls Bay, which my 147 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: local course, or Scottsdale National, which I think is is 148 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: probably my favorite place to go play that I get 149 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: to play a lot. 150 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: Okay, Augustin National where they play the Masters. For a 151 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: long time, they kept black people out. So when you 152 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: play there, can you feel that or what do you 153 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: think about that? 154 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: Oh? No, I think They've come a long way with that, 155 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: you know. 156 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, in the sixties and seventies, you know, 157 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: they kept black black even out you didn't complain to the tournament. 158 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: You know. You think about you know, Lee Elder getting 159 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: being the first black to play, and Augusta and all 160 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 2: the stuff he had to put up with just to 161 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: go play a golf tournament, you know, And I think 162 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: I think Augusta's come a long way with that, you know, 163 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: you know, I I look at it, and we can't 164 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: just put it on Augusta. 165 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: It was the history of America. You know. 166 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: Black people were kept out of a lot of things 167 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: just because of the color of our skin. And you know, 168 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: you know, we just you try to overcome that. And 169 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: you old people in the here, twenty twenty four year 170 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: old people, you know, can get past that. Don't even 171 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: get past that, just like it doesn't matter, you know. 172 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: It's you know, like I said earlier, at the end 173 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: of the day, we're all just human beings. And you 174 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: hope people really realize that. 175 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: The fact that Kamala Harris is running and she's black, 176 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: as a black man, how do you view that. 177 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: I think it's great, you know, I thought it was 178 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: great when Obama became president. You know, I'll be honest 179 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: with you. When Obama became president, I was shocked. I 180 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: just never thought I would see that in my lifetime. 181 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: I just really, you know, back sixteen years ago, however 182 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: long it's been since it was when he was when 183 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: he was first elected, I truly never thought I would 184 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: see an African American president in my lifetime. And now 185 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: to see an African American woman get the nomination from 186 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: one of the major parties, I think it's amazing. 187 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 3: I think it's a I think it's great for the country. 188 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: Even though, just like everything else with the race is 189 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: going to polarize a lot of us, and you know, 190 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: separate is going to divide a lot of people. 191 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: But I think it's a great thing for the country. 192 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: And how have you seen race relations and opportunities change 193 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: in your lifetime? 194 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: Oh goodness, you know, I think we've all seen it. 195 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: You know, Like we're sitting, you know, and I see 196 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: there talking about you know, black folks not being able 197 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: to play our stuff. I remember that, you know, you know, 198 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: me coming into Country of Music and being told that that, 199 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: you know, the audience would never accept an African American, 200 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 2: you know, country starm you know, that was there were 201 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: just places, you know, places we weren't supposed to go, 202 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: where we couldn't go, or we were just kept out of, 203 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: you know. And a lot of those doors and walls 204 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: have been broken down, you know, and sometimes you know, 205 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: we still see people try to put it back up, 206 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: and that's sad, you know. But but I think most 207 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: of America realizes that there's room for all of us everywhere. 208 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: And there's been a big push back against the EI recently, 209 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: and certainly an affirmative action. What's your viewpoint on DEI 210 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: an affirmative action. 211 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: I think, I know it's it's sad for me the 212 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: pushes back on it, and to watch people act like 213 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: it's a bad thing, that's the thing. That's the thing 214 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 2: that really bothers me, is people acting like diversity, equity, 215 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: and inclusion is a bad thing. 216 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: You know. Uh, you know. It's the funny thing about 217 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: the EI. 218 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned the EI or affirmative action, and 219 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: everybody thinks about African Americans, you know, but you're probably 220 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: the people that have been most h I saw that 221 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: the other the group that's been most that that had 222 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: the most affected by the eis white women, you know, 223 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: white women getting a chance to do things that they 224 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: didn't get a chance to do. But and you know, 225 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: I think, you know, inclusion and diversity is always good. 226 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: You know. It's like I always say about country music, 227 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: I'm glad to see country music starting to look more 228 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: like America because you know that America is a belting 229 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 2: pot of people, and so, you know, I think all 230 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: industries and all things should be. 231 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: Okay, you're a star, you travel around the world. What 232 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: do people in America, white people not understand about being 233 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: a black person in America today? 234 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: Oh goodness, I think I don't. 235 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people really realize, you know, 236 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: how people try to keep how how much to people 237 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: try to people try to kept out of different things. 238 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 3: You know. 239 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: That's why you have a formative action in de Ei. Yeah, 240 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: it's because we were for so long we were kept out. 241 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people don't really realize 242 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: how hard you're how hard you have to work to 243 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: to to get in at some industries, to douce some things, 244 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I always said everything I've done 245 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: in my career, I've realized I've had to work harder 246 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: than everybody else, and I'd have to, you know, be 247 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: a little bit better than everybody else to get a chance. 248 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people don't want to 249 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: face that. 250 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: Now that you've had a lot of success in the 251 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: country world, do you believe you still have to fight harder? 252 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I do. I believe that one hundred percent, 253 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: you know, because I know I do. You know it's 254 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: even today to get a single, you know, I gotta 255 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: still work harder than everybody else. And I don't mind. 256 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: You know, our work has never been something that I've 257 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: I've showne away from I'm a bit afraid of. But 258 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: but uh, you know, yeah, I think I'll always feel 259 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: that way. 260 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: And just to be a little more specific, in what 261 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: ways do you work harder on a single? 262 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 2: You know? You know, playing yeah, you know, having to 263 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: play more radio shows, having to to you know, do 264 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: a little but harder work. And you know, watch my finger, 265 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: My singles move flower than other folks singles, even though 266 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: you know it might be a better song. But uh, 267 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: you know that that's just part of the deal. I'm 268 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: not gonna sit there complained about it, you know, because 269 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: it is what it is. I'm just gonna you know, 270 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: I just I'll work because I don't mind working. But uh, yeah, 271 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's as easy for me 272 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 2: as it is for some people. 273 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: And to what degree do you encounter racism in everyday life? Uh, 274 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: it's not as bad as it used to be. 275 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: You know, there was a time when, you know, especially 276 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: like when we were playing clubs back in the day, 277 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: it was a time where you really did encounter it 278 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 2: every day, you know. But it's still there, you know, so, 279 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: I mean it will always be there. I don't I 280 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: think in my lifetime it will always be there in America, 281 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: which is sad, but uh, that's just one of those 282 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: things that that comes with the territory, you know, when 283 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: you when you do something that when you're in African 284 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: American and you do something that you're not supposed to do, 285 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: quote unquote, yeah, you got to deal with the consequences. 286 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: And sometimes that's the consequences. 287 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: And what happens if you're in an environment and someone 288 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: makes a racist comment, what do you do? 289 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 2: You know, if it's somebody around me, you I'll address it. Well, 290 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: I'll address it, you know. If it's you know, sometimes 291 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: you just let it go. I mean, why why deal 292 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: with ignorance. You know, there's nothing I want to say 293 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: that's going to change that person's mind. 294 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 3: You know. 295 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: I like to change people's hearts, and you know, you 296 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 2: can only do that when you're friends with somebody. Oh 297 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: and you know you're you're you have a relationship with somebody. 298 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 4: But uh, you know, you just deal with now with athletes, 299 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 4: people are always saying that black men who have success 300 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 4: have a responsibility to lift others up. 301 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: Do you feel that in country music that you have 302 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: an obligation or you want to lift other black men 303 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: or women up in the world. 304 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if I have an obligation, 305 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: but I feel like something I want to do, you know, 306 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: So every you know, every every African record, I'll cut 307 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: your artists. 308 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: I mean I let them know. You know, you want 309 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 3: to write with me, you want me any record, I'll. 310 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 2: Do anything I can't help you, you know, just just. 311 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: To give you a chance. 312 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: But uh, you know, I don't think anybody's obligated to 313 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: do anything. You know, people do what they want to 314 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: do and what they what's inside of them. But for me, 315 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: I just feel like it's the right thing to do, 316 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: that's for sure. 317 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: Just to be very specific, you know, and this has 318 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: been a topic that's been hashed over a lot. But 319 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: since we're on this point, someone like Morgan Wallen uses 320 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: the N word, which is inexcusable, But what would you 321 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: say as a black man where it's just rawly bad, 322 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: he should be canceled. On the other extreme, he is 323 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: someone who's not sophisticated, who's listened to a lot of 324 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: rap records, Jen was inebriated. What's your viewpoint on that? 325 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: You know, among as well as cats. You know, I'm 326 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: part of trying to change his heart. You know, I think, uh, 327 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: you know this this there's both that. You know, it's 328 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: both ways. You know, those guys do listen a lot 329 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: of rap records and you know they hear the word 330 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: and he's drunk, and you know he wasn't using it 331 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: in an adult derogatory way, but he shouldn't. 332 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: Have been using it at all, right, And you know, 333 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. 334 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: It's it's a situation where you know, you know, you 335 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: try to change somebody, like you try to change his heart. 336 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: You try to and and try to make it, you know, 337 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: and I'm sure he does. You see why you can't 338 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: say that that's just not you know, it's not for 339 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: you to say. You know, I wish no one would 340 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: say it. You know, I never used it. I don't 341 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: use the word. I wish no one would use it, 342 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: you know. And I understand the reappropriation, and you know, 343 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: using it the way we're doing rap is just taking 344 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: it back. But it's like, you know, it's just one 345 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: of those words that really doesn't need to exist in 346 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: the English language. 347 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: And if you've actually spoken to Morgan Wing about. 348 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: This, yeah, I have you know, I mean, I have, 349 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: you know, and Morgan's trying to do better. Morgan Morgan 350 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: is he gets it, and he's trying to do better. 351 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: And you know, you know, I mean, I don't want 352 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: to say this is what it is, but you know, 353 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: he's either gonna, you know, when you're in that situation, 354 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: you're either gonna look at it and know God was 355 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: wrong and I'm gonna do better, or you know, he's 356 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: just gonna be who you are. 357 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: And I think he's trying to do better. 358 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: Now, there's an impression in Nashville and country music that 359 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: everybody knows everybody. Is that true? 360 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely everybody knows everybody. And what accounts for that, I 361 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: don't know. You just see folks. You see folks, you 362 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 3: see folks on the war shows or just hanging out somewhere, 363 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: or you know everybody. 364 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 2: You met everybody and you either become friends with them 365 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: or your acquaintance acquaintances with them. But you know, you 366 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: know them, You've met them un in their face, they 367 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: know you. And because it's it's naturally such a you know, 368 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 2: most music doesn't have a home. Most music doesn't have 369 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: a place where everybody is. You know, rock and roll 370 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: was everywhere New York, La Atlanta is everywhere. Hip hop 371 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: is new you know, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, you know, but uh, 372 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: country music's in Nashville, and that's where everybody is. 373 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, everybody knows everybody. 374 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: What the people who are not fans of country music 375 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: and a lot of people talk shit about country music. 376 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: What do they not understand about today's country music? Oh, 377 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people. 378 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people say they don't like 379 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: country music because they haven't really listened to it. You know, 380 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of I believe music's music, and 381 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: there's a lot of there's a great song in every 382 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: genre of music, you know, even you know, the baroque vocals, 383 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: chants and all that stuff. Is you can find a 384 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: good song, and I think it's one of those things 385 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: they don't want to give a lot of folks, especially 386 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: you know, especially African American folks, don't want to give 387 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: it a chance. Don't want to give it a chance 388 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: because of the stigma of what is you know, what 389 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 2: are representative? 390 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: You know what? 391 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: What what people thought of it for so many years? 392 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 2: You know, and that like when I came in one 393 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: one of the one of the best things about it was, 394 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: you know, getting letters or d ms from African Americans saying, 395 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: you know, man, I can you know I've always loved 396 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: country music. Now I can tell everybody else I love 397 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: it because you're you're doing you know that that was 398 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: pretty cool. 399 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: And let's say you're going to write a song for 400 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: Hoody and the Blowfish where a country saw for your 401 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: solo career, do you approach them differently? 402 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: Oh? 403 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally differently. 404 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, uh, you know, you know, even though 405 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: who do we wrote a bunch of story songs. But 406 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 2: when you're writing, when you're writing country music, you know, 407 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: you're trying to make a three and a half many movie. 408 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: You're trying to the story every time, and you know, 409 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: who do you We're just we're trying to write rock songs, man, 410 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: you know, we're trying to write yeah, rock songs that 411 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: are just you know, sometimes you you don't even have 412 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's really not about much of anything. It's just 413 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: about it's just us all the country. Which country songs 414 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: are always about something? 415 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: And what country acts are you with? 416 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: Fan enough? 417 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: Oh goodness? 418 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 3: Uh? 419 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: You know, I love Chapel Heart, I love I love 420 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: Luke Bryan, I love so many ladies great. Uh, Dirk Brentley, 421 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 2: rad Haisley, I love Kane Brown's just amazing. 422 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 3: Luke Holmes is amazing. 423 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: Uh, there's a whole there's a bunch of new there's 424 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: new kids that I found on the internet. I think 425 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: his name is Javonne Newman. I just think he's amazing, 426 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: you know, and it's great to see that, to see, 427 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of different artists coming up and 428 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 2: a lot of people doing stuff, and you know, I 429 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: sit don't listen to him. 430 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: Well do you think I mean? Historically, I country hit 431 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: music has been a controlled market on many levels, certainly 432 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: in terms of exhibition terrestrial radio. Do you believe that 433 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: has changed during your decade plus in country music. 434 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: Oh, I think it hasn't changed country music or pop music. 435 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 2: You know. It's all I wouldn't say formally, that's not 436 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 2: the word I want to use. It's just, you know, 437 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: it's a. 438 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: It's it's a niche. 439 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: You know. You have to write verse course, and your 440 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 2: course has to be big of course, has to be great, 441 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: you know, and if you're going to put a bridge in, 442 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 2: that's got to say something, you know. 443 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 3: And and you know, I think writing. 444 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: Songs is is. I mean, there's a formula for writing songs. 445 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 2: Even if you're just writing, you know, a song that's 446 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: not a hit, there's a formula writing it. 447 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 3: You know. 448 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: Even even Dylan wrote verse course, verse course, you know. 449 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: And I think that's just the way songs are. 450 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you go back to the Beatles, there's 451 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: verse chorus bridge. Sometimes they start with a chorus. And 452 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: you listen to a lot of the Spotify Top fifty, 453 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: it's like they lost the formula. 454 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And but that's that's music. It just 455 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: you know, it just fluctuates and the changes and it 456 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: goes back to what was before and then you know, 457 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: every now and then something new comes brand new, comes 458 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 2: out and changes it and then that's just the greatness 459 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 2: of music. It's just gonna It's like a it's like 460 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 2: a tide. It's going to come in and go out 461 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: and just keep changing. And I love that about it. 462 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: And are you a hip hop fan? Love it? You know? 463 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: Love it? You know, I can't. I couldn't believe how 464 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: much I loved that. Uh, the Kendrick Lamar Drake feud. 465 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: I just thought it was great. 466 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: Thought are you well you know this is sort of 467 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: a dumb question. Last are you on Kendrick Steam or 468 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: Drake's team? 469 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: I want to I want both teams because they were 470 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: both on bangers. So that was what that was what 471 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 2: I loved about it is they were both putting out, 472 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: you know, great songs out of this. I mean, I 473 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: think Kendrick won that. You know, I'm not gonna lie. 474 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: I think people agree with you. 475 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: I think Kendrick won. 476 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: That that that that that beef. But uh, they were 477 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: putting out bangers and I was like, you know, I 478 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 2: was loving it. Every time I heard there was a 479 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: new song, I had to hear. 480 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: What about Questlove who said he thought it was the 481 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: end of hip hop? 482 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: Oh? Well, he would know better than me. 483 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: I will uh, I will uh, I will requiesk the 484 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: question that you know, I don't think hip hop's ever 485 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: gonna end. I think hip hop is here to stay forever. 486 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 2: Just like even though you know there's no rock and 487 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: roll in the radio right now, rock and roll is 488 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: still never gonna go, and there's still people, there's still 489 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 2: kids playing rock and rolls in g Rogers right now. 490 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: But uh, you know, uh, like I said, I'll go, 491 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: I'll let Quest handle that one. I'm just gonna keep listening. 492 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 2: One I line, and is he a friend of yours? Yes, 493 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 2: I like Quest a lot. I'm a big fan, and 494 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: he is a friend, and he's one of the best 495 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: guys I know. 496 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: He's just a good dude. 497 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: So how come you never made a hip hop record? 498 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: Because I can't rap? That's not what you know that 499 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: that's not my thing. Uh, you know, I've never really 500 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: really tried. You know, of course you rap along with 501 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: the songs you're like, you know, and but you know, 502 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not a rapper, you know, That's That's 503 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: something I've never even thought about. 504 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: Okay, you talk about contemporary country artists. Did you come 505 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: up listening to country. 506 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: I did, you know, I was a kid. For me, 507 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: it was Charlie Pride, of course. But uh, you know, 508 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: Kenny Rogers is my man. You know, I still know 509 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 2: all those Kenny Rodgers, you know Coward County and and 510 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: you know Ruby and and all those songs. I still 511 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: I still know all the songs. They still make playlists 512 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: when I'm making playlists to listen to because I think 513 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 2: they're great. Charlie rich I loved him, you know, my 514 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 2: grandmother loved them. You know that Blue Eye soul that 515 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: you know, he was a he was a soul singer. 516 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 2: He was an R and B singer that was singing 517 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: country music. 518 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: It was great. 519 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: Uh. You know, then you can get a little older, 520 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 2: and you know I discovered Dwight Yoakam and and Nancy 521 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: Griffin and New grasp Re Bivle and Bradney Foster and 522 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: Foster and Lloyd and you know, I discovered these these 523 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: these artists that just changed the way I heard music. 524 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 2: Those artists were just huge for me. And so yeah, 525 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: I loved it for a long time. 526 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Kenny Rogers and a lot of the 527 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: acts you're mentioning her from the seventies. How about the 528 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: earlier artists, you know, whether it be Tammy Wynett, George Jones, 529 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: et cetera. Were you exposed to them or so? 530 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: The the one person from that era that was really 531 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 2: I heard the place because my aunt played or was 532 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: was Loretta Lynn. 533 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 3: You know. 534 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: Loretta Lynn was just you know, the Pill and you 535 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: know the Divorce and all those songs that were great. 536 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: You know. I remember my aunt played me a kiddie 537 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: Well song once that just you know, blew my mind, 538 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: you know, and it was really, you know, it was 539 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: for me, it was music. I've never I understand that 540 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: we have to put everything in a place, and we 541 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 2: have to compartmentalize everything and put it in a genre. 542 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: But for me, I say this all the time. You know, 543 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: we use the same chords, the same notes in the 544 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: same words, and we play music and everybody and it's 545 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: just all music to me. 546 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: So when do you first remember hearing music growing up? 547 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: Oh? 548 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: My first memory of music was five years old, four 549 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: or five years old, listening to al Green, you know, 550 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: and just discovering instantly that that's what I want to 551 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: do for the rest of my life. 552 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: A little bit more in depth, you hear al Green. 553 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: How do you decide you want to do it for 554 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: the rest of your life? 555 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: Oh goodness, you know, being a little five year old 556 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 2: kid and standing in front of my mom and their 557 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: friends with the salt and pepper shakers my microphone and 558 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: basically singing the whole Agreen album and the feedback I 559 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 2: would get from them and the love I would get 560 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: from them. 561 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: Just doing that, you know, made me go, Man, I 562 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: want to do this. I won't. 563 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 2: I want to feel this on a much bigger scale, 564 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: you know, if it feels like you know, I mean 565 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: as a young kid thinking it feels like this in 566 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: the living room, imagine what I feel like this, you know, 567 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 2: and the bigger plans for more people looking at you 568 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: and love. 569 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: Did you do a dream ever waivered? Did you ever 570 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: think at some point, man, I got to give up? 571 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 3: I did? You know? 572 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: After high school? You know, when I was graduating high school, 573 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: I realized not give up so much as just you know, 574 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: what am I going to do? I mean, I never 575 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: played in the band in high school. I say, acquired 576 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: and everything, and I never had a band until college. 577 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: And so it was like I went to college to 578 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: get a broadcast journalism degree. 579 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: You know, hopefully work on TV talking about sports or something. 580 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: And it's not that I'd give it up on my dream. 581 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: It's just that I realized I was gonna have to 582 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 3: get a real, real life. 583 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: Okay, that was your thought graduating from high school. How 584 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: did you also believe become convinced that no, you could 585 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: do it? 586 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 2: Oh? It was my sophomore year when I met Mark 587 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 2: Indean and we started playing in a band, you know. 588 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 3: And you know, at first, from that first gig where Mark. 589 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: And I played of ourselves at Pappy's, the local chicken 590 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: one joint, you know, you start thinking, all right, man, 591 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: I can do I want to do this, you know. 592 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 3: That's what that's. 593 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: Really in my mind where school became unimportant. It was 594 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: in my mind where I don't know how we're gonna 595 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: do this, but we're gonna figure out how. We're gonna 596 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 2: play a lot more because I want to do this 597 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 2: every night. 598 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: Okay, let's just go back. Al Green, who's from Memphis, 599 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: is supposed to Nashville unbelievable talent. You know, you have 600 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: Jack White and other people working with old country stars. 601 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: Do you think you could help Al Green have a 602 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: hit in today's country market? 603 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: Oh? I don't know if I could, but I bet 604 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: you know, uh, you know, one of the really big 605 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: superstars could you know, you know, Luke Bryant or or 606 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: Luke Combs, and one of those guys came, you know, 607 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: one of those guys that probably helped them have a 608 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: really huge hit. 609 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 3: But uh, you know, I think. 610 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 2: I'm at the that uh, that point in my career 611 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: where you know, I don't even know if I get 612 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 2: on the radio anymore. 613 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: You know, I'm almost sixty. It's been an amazing run. 614 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: But I think one of those guys could yeah, do it, 615 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: do it with Al Green, then you do the right song. 616 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 3: They could have a really big hit. 617 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: Okay. Country music is different from rock and roll and pop. 618 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: Rock and roll and pop, you usually have a window 619 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: when you have your peak, whereas you know, George Straight, 620 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: these other people, they have first in country. Traditionally, once 621 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: you have success, your audience will support you throughout your life. 622 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: But a lot of people have hits as they get older. 623 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: It's always hard to climb the mountain again. But why 624 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: would you not have hits in the future. 625 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: I mean I think I might, you know, I could 626 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: have its, It's just harder, you know, it's like, you know, 627 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: like you see Garth put out a single, or you 628 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: see George Straight put out a single. You know, when 629 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: they were in their heyday, the single raced up the charts, 630 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: you know, twenty weeks you got a number one, you know. 631 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: So nowadays, you know, you know, it could take months, 632 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: eight take eight months to get a record up the chart, 633 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: you know. And I you know, I hope, I hope 634 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: they still have I hope. Yeah, I'd love to have 635 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: ten more hits, you know, But that's I don't I'm 636 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: gonna stop trying. I'm gonna keep making records and putting 637 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: them out and seeing what happens. But I'm a realist 638 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 2: about life and about my career. And and you're right, 639 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: I could go play shows for the rest of my 640 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: life and my fans will come out and see me play. 641 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: But as much as they want to say they are, 642 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: the fans, aren't the people who are dictating what's a hit. 643 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: It's the gatekeepers at radio and you know, the gatekeepers 644 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: you know, at the at the streaming services that really 645 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: they're really determined what's going to be a h. 646 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: Are you working on an album now? 647 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: I'm not right now, you know, I put an album 648 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: out last year. I guess earlier this year, we put 649 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: a record out, and and you know, I'm doing the 650 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: Hoodie tour right now, but I'm gonna start writing the 651 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 2: next record. I want to have it out next year. 652 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: So I'm start writing next record real soon. And you know, 653 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: I love writing music. I love making records. Okay, So 654 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: what's your process? You start writing songs because you know, 655 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: we have an album. Where you get inspired and write 656 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: a song, how does it play out? 657 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 3: Both? 658 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: You know both? You know, I might get off the 659 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: phone with you, I might get off the zoom with 660 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: you right now and feel like I write a song 661 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: sitting here right one. 662 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: You know. 663 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: But when you're making a record, I mean it's like, 664 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 2: you know, it's like a job. You go write songs. 665 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: You know, you get your buddies and you write songs. 666 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: You sit around, you know, Okay, I'm gonna write a 667 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: song today. And because you're trying to get you know, 668 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: for every I've never written less than fifty songs for 669 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: any record I've made some country music, you know, you 670 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: write fifty or sixty and then you pick thirteen, and 671 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: so you just start writing. And then when you think 672 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: you got enough, songs, you really start listening to them 673 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: and decide what you're gonna put on the record. 674 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: Well, on some of your solo albums in the country world, 675 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: you didn't write most of the material. 676 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of records that, uh I 677 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: might have had two or three songs I didn't write 678 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: on them, and or at least co wrote on them. 679 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: But you know, in country music, when you hear a song, 680 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: when somebody say to you a song, because that it's 681 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: you know, it's a it's an occupation in Nashville. 682 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 3: Songwriter, you know, that's what you do your song right. 683 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,959 Speaker 2: You know Ashley Gorley, you know is you know, feelthy 684 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: rich because he's written so many number one songs. And 685 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 2: you know when when him or or or you know, 686 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: one of the other guys sends you a song, it 687 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: just clicks. You go, Okay, I'm cutting that because yeah, 688 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: I'm a songwriter, but I'm an artist. You know, I'm 689 00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: an artist. I want to sing great songs. So do 690 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 2: people send you songs on a regular basis? 691 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: All the time? All the time? Party sent me a 692 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 3: song about six weeks ago. All the time? 693 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and how do you separate? You know, they hit 694 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: from the ship. It's like, you know, a lot of 695 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: people send you unsolicited stuff that would be not worth cutting, 696 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: not worth listening to. Does it never even get to 697 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: you because you have a filter or what do you know? 698 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 2: You know, that's the one that goes back to what 699 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: we were talking about, how everybody knows everybody in Nashville. 700 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 2: You know that, you know, it doesn't go to anybody else. 701 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: They send it to you, They texted to you, you know. 702 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: And for me, I don't know what's the hit, but 703 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 2: I know what I like, and that's how I judge it. 704 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: If I like it or I love it like a song, 705 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: Like if I told you you know, but that song 706 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: came in, I had to cut it. I loved it. 707 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: I wish I'd written it, you know. I you know, 708 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: I was talking to one of the writers once and 709 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: I said, how could you write my life without me 710 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: being in the room? 711 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: And you know, I have to cut that song. But 712 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: that's for me, that's all I decide. 713 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what's a hit, but I 714 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: know what I like. 715 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: How often are they pitching you a song and they're 716 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: also pitching it to somebody else. 717 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. I really don't know, but you know, 718 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,719 Speaker 2: I'll be awesome. There has been songs that have come 719 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: to me that I turned down that you know, I 720 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 2: hear on the radio, you know, and you know that's 721 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: that's cool. They And the thing is, I don't know 722 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 2: how many. I'm sure it happens. I'm sure it happens 723 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: all the time. But those guys want somebody to cut 724 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: their song. But I'm not mad at them. You know, 725 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 2: if I was just if I was a song writer 726 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: not an artist, I'd be doing the same thing. 727 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: But if you commit to a song, they commit. They 728 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: won't pitch it to anybody else. 729 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, If somebody sends me a song and I text 730 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: them go, I'm gonna cut this, they won't sign it 731 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: somebody else. And if they have said it to somebody else, 732 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,239 Speaker 2: they'll text us go, hey, Darius's gotten this. 733 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: Okay. Have you ever heard one of these songs that 734 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: was pitched to you that you didn't cut and you 735 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: later hear the finished record, You go and I do 736 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: like that that was a hit. I missed that. 737 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, you know, but I don't. I don't ever 738 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: said I missed it because usually there was a song guys. 739 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: So when I hear a song I use. I like it, 740 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: and I think I get but I just go I don't. 741 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna cut it. You know, I like it, 742 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 2: but it's not for me. So when you're here with 743 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 2: somebody else, you go, yeah, that sounds great, that's a hit. 744 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a hit for them. But I still wouldn't 745 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 3: cut it. 746 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: And how about co writing? How do you approach that? 747 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 3: I love it. 748 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: I love it, And and the crazy thing is I 749 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 2: never started co writing until like they in the Nashville, 750 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 2: like all the hoody stuff, we never wrote together. 751 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 3: You know. 752 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: We all just wrote songs that brought him into the group. 753 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 2: Or or you know one of those guys that write 754 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: some music and they're bringing it and give it to 755 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 2: me and say, write some words to the song. And 756 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: So I love co writing because the thing I love 757 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 2: the most about co writing is you'll be sitting in 758 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 2: the room and you'll come up well lined and you'll 759 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: love that line and you'll sing it to somebody that 760 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: you're co writer, and they'll sing it back to you. 761 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: But one note will be different or who knows to 762 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 2: be different, and one they'll they'll change a word here, 763 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: and you realize, oh, that's so much better because for me, 764 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: you know, I sing the way I sing, and when 765 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 2: I hear somebody else sing something back to me and 766 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 2: it's a little different. You know, I want to sing 767 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 2: that like that because I love the way that sounds. 768 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 2: And you know it's it's not me being me, it's 769 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 2: me singing a song. 770 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: Okay. I mean people were writers, weren't even performers. You know, 771 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,439 Speaker 1: five days a week, they'll meet with people to write 772 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: other songs. Do you just get together with people when 773 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: you know you're working up material for an album? What 774 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: would make you have a writing session? 775 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 2: Uh? Just you know, either it happens sometimes when people 776 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 2: just call and you know, you see somebody who let's 777 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 2: write a song, and then you text each other you'll 778 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 2: set up a session. But when I'm when I'm writing 779 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 2: for a record, yet three sessions a day, five days 780 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 2: a week, you know you're just going to you going 781 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: you write. 782 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: And when you go into the room, do you bring 783 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: something or you're totally a blank slate. 784 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 2: That happens both ways. Sometimes you got an idea that 785 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 2: you take in and you know, I've walked in with 786 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: a with a verse and the chorus. You know I've 787 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 2: walked in with two verses and a chorus and just 788 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 2: need a bridge, you know, And other guys will come 789 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,959 Speaker 2: the same way where they come with you know, versus 790 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 2: the chorus or or or or just the chorus, and 791 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: you go, all right, that's it, that's right, that one, 792 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 2: you know, and that's always that. That's the That's the 793 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 2: great thing about songwriting. It's it could be, it can 794 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 2: go anyway. There's also great songs that come from you know, 795 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 2: you're sitting around and nobody's got any ideas. Somebody says 796 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: one line and somebody catches on to that, and you 797 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 2: go and write a song. 798 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: And what's the right number of people in the room? 799 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: I think three is are perfect a great number three 800 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 2: or two. I think when you get four people in 801 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 2: a room for more, it's just too many. 802 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 3: It's too much. 803 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: And I've done it, neve written great songs that way, 804 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 2: but it really is too much before or more? 805 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: And is there how do you decide on credit? 806 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: Oh, there's just if there's four people, you split four ways. 807 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 2: Just three people used put it in three ways. There's 808 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 2: I've never been in a room that was a discussion 809 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 2: on percentages. That's just the way it is. 810 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,959 Speaker 1: And if you could write with two people, who would 811 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: do those people be that. 812 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 2: I haven't written with? 813 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: No, well, let's start with that that you haven't written with. 814 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 2: If I write with two people I haven't written with, 815 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: it would probably be probably like Keith Urban and h 816 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 2: Kelly Loveless. I've never rely saw Kelly lovelas. He's a 817 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 2: big writer that I'd like to sit two of them 818 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: and write a song. 819 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 3: But I write. 820 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,959 Speaker 2: You know, if people I write with Asthley Gorley would 821 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 2: have to be in the room. 822 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 3: He's a He's a freaking genius. Uh uh. 823 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 2: And Charles Kelly Lady. I love writing with him. He's 824 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 2: because he's got a voice that I just admire so much. 825 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 2: Or Chris Stapleton. 826 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: You know, well, let's stay with Stapleton, because Stapleton was 827 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: around for a better part of twenty years before he 828 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: broke through, and he and his music are, if not 829 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: the most revered in Nashville, close to it. But he 830 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: is doing something a little bit different than everybody else. 831 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to be playing to the market. It's 832 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: almost more rock and roll. What's your take on Stapleton? 833 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: What's the magic there? 834 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 2: He's got that thing that all artists wants you know, 835 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 2: he don't have to play the market. You know, Chris 836 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: could put out anything that's going to be a hit. 837 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,760 Speaker 2: I mean, like you said, he's the standard bearer or country. 838 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 2: He's the best singer in the business, and so he 839 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 2: does what he wants and I love it. I'm such 840 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 2: a big fan, you know, I love writing with him. 841 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 2: You know, I've had number ones with him. You know, 842 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 2: he's just He's Chris and that's all he wants to 843 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 2: be and I love it. 844 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: How about some people in the Americana world, which doesn't 845 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: charge on country radio but gets a lot of respect, 846 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: people like Jason Isbells the world do you pay attention to. 847 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 3: I love Jason as well. I would write with him 848 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 3: at Heartbeat. 849 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: I think he's a you know Rihanna Gibbons, you know, 850 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 2: I would love to write with her. You know, I 851 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: think that that whole genre is is great, and you know, 852 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: Jason is just a crazy great songwriter, a lot of 853 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 2: a huge fani. 854 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to South Carolina. You know, the 855 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: country is a result of the Internet and cable television. 856 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 1: There is no flyover country. And I certainly know growing 857 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: up in the Northeast that I had a long term 858 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: girlfriend from Tallahassee, which people don't realize is more Georgia 859 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: than you know, South Florida. So what can you tell 860 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: us about growing up in South Carolina? So it was 861 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: it was a southern town, you know, but it was. 862 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 2: It was a bastion of of of For me growing up, 863 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 2: it was I was raised by a village. You know, 864 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 2: we had a neighborhood that was everybody. We were all close, 865 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 2: We were all friends, family, all the families were friends. 866 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 2: You knew everybody in the neighborhood. You know, if you 867 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 2: went around the corner and you know, miss Simmons had 868 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 2: to whoop you because you did something wrong, you know, 869 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 2: your mom didn't get up and go around and yell 870 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 2: at miss Simmons. When you got home, you got another 871 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 2: whooping because Miss Simmons had to whoop you, you know. 872 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 2: I mean, we were raised by everybody's parents and it 873 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 2: was great for me. I loved it. I mean I 874 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 2: would say I'd do my childhood to get an harpyat. 875 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 2: And for me, you know, you experience, you know, experienced 876 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 2: racism and stuff like that, but it just it was 877 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 2: just what it was. I mean, it was just you. 878 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 2: You dealt with it, and you moved on, you know, 879 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 2: and because it was what it was, and I just 880 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 2: grew up. We grew up with not a lot, but 881 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 2: we had. There was so much love and so much 882 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 2: friendship and so much camaraderie. I mean, I'm still best 883 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 2: friends with the five guys I grew up with. You know, 884 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 2: we still text each other every day. We have a 885 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 2: group text where we text every day. And what are 886 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 2: those guys up to? You know, guys are doing different. 887 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 2: One guy's a money guy, one guy's a lawyer. One 888 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 2: guy runs the school districts in Beaufer County, and you know, 889 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 2: one guy works at Target. You know, you know, one 890 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 2: guy whoves out in California as a social worker. I mean, 891 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 2: everybody's doing their own thing and loving it. 892 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: So everybody this environment in the village ended up generally 893 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: speaking good stories. 894 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 2: My friends all did Yes, my friends all ended up 895 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 2: being good, hard working folks who who you know, I 896 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 2: want to say God out of it, because that's just 897 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 2: not the word. Who became great, great men who raised 898 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 2: their families and work their jobs and try to enjoy themselves. 899 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: So how does this affect how you raise your kids? Oh? 900 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 2: You know, I like I would like to think you 901 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 2: like his. I think I was a pretty good dad. 902 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 2: I mean, I just I just wanted them to be 903 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 2: happy and successful. 904 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: What are they up to. 905 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 2: I got, you know, one one daughter who lives here 906 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 2: in Nashville who's doing really well for herself. I got 907 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 2: a daughter just who graduated college college in Florida. I 908 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 2: got a daughter just graduated from NYU. 909 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 3: You know. 910 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 2: I got a son that you know, went to NYU 911 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 2: and you know now he wants to get into real estate. 912 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 2: And they're just healthy, happy kids working their butt off, 913 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 2: knowing that you know, their parents have their backs. 914 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: And are they off the payroll? 915 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 2: You know pretty much? You know, the younger ones probably not, 916 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 2: you know. And uh, the one who just graduated colleges, 917 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 2: you know, she's still kind of on it. And you know, 918 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 2: but I'm sure just the way we live, you know, 919 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 2: I don't ever want them to be totally off the payroll. 920 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 2: I'm always there for them, you know. I want them 921 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 2: to get jobs. And they are and living their lives 922 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 2: and working hard. But you know, they need anything, I'll 923 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 2: always be here. 924 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: What if they call for money? What would you say 925 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: no to? 926 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 2: Oh? If they wanted to my house I wanted my 927 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 2: car and say no, no, like you know, you go 928 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 2: work for that. But uh, you know, you know I'm 929 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 2: a good dad. I'm a generous dad. But uh, you know, 930 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,399 Speaker 2: I would never imagine cutting my kids off or saying 931 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 2: I'm not going to give you anything, because that's just 932 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:21,359 Speaker 2: not who I am. 933 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 1: Well, needless to say, you've created quite an asset base. 934 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: When you do pass, which hopefully won't be for thirty 935 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: odd years, what do you plan to do with the money? 936 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 2: Give it to them, and I'm sure I'll leave some 937 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 2: to the some charities I love, But you know, I 938 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 2: want my kids to enjoy the benefits of my hard work. 939 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: So let's go back to South Carolina growing up. What 940 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: kind of kid we like? In school? 941 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 2: I was a good I was a good student, you know, 942 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:56,879 Speaker 2: didn't get in trouble at school very often. Until high school. 943 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 2: I was an athlete. And then in high school I 944 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 2: became music became you know, the choir and the choruses 945 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 2: and a small the small group were my life, you 946 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 2: know that going to rehearsals and we we had a 947 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 2: show choir. That was that was a lot of work, 948 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of after school rehearsals. 949 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 3: And stuff like that. 950 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,320 Speaker 1: Well, some people might have not been exposed to show choir, 951 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,760 Speaker 1: So tell us about show choirs. 952 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 2: Choirs. Uh, you know, it's it's it's a big it's 953 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,839 Speaker 2: not you. When you take a choir, you think of church, 954 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,280 Speaker 2: and it wasn't that. It was choirs that got together 955 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 2: and you know, you sang contemporary songs or during Christmas 956 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 2: you sang all the Christmas stuff and you know there 957 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 2: was some dancing to it, and there was some uh 958 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 2: some uh you know, little choreography and a little but 959 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 2: it was you know, at my school, the Middleston singers 960 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 2: were a big deal, you know, and you had to 961 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 2: try out. Not everybody made it. Probably less than a 962 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 2: halfter people that tried out made it. And so it 963 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 2: was a big deal. And and so choir was fun. 964 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 2: It was you know, twenty girls and twenty guys that 965 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 2: all could say and would go out there and try 966 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 2: to be great. 967 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,439 Speaker 1: So it's in your book for those people don't know. 968 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: You graduate from high school and then what do you do. 969 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,720 Speaker 3: I went to the University of South Carolina and majors 970 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 3: in broadcast journalism. 971 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: And what was that experience like? At first? 972 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 2: It was tough, you know, I had gone from this 973 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 2: high school. I think my graduating class had three hundred 974 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 2: and twenty people or something. You know, I was I 975 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 2: was a senior class vice president. 976 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:37,840 Speaker 3: You know. 977 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 2: I went from the school where and I was in 978 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 2: every clique. I was in the jocks click, I was 979 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 2: in the you know, the stoner's click. I was in 980 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 2: you know, the music click. I was in the big 981 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 2: brothers and sisters. Cause I was just. 982 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 3: I was just. I was friends with everybody. 983 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,959 Speaker 2: And I went from that to this university of forty 984 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 2: thousand people, and that was a culture shock for me. 985 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 2: It really was first semester it was a culture shop. 986 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 2: And at first I didn't think I liked it, and 987 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 2: then I did. Yeah, when I found my place and 988 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 2: my friends, I did like it. And it was it 989 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,879 Speaker 2: was a big university. It was exactly what you're think 990 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 2: it is. You know, college football every Saturday, and and 991 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 2: you know, every weekend I haven't parted our butts off, 992 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 2: and every wanting to go home to visit parents and 993 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 2: tell Thanksgiving. You know, it was a typical southern college 994 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 2: college experience. And you know that's something that's another thing 995 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,400 Speaker 2: I would do and get an RP. But you ultimately 996 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 2: leave there right now. I stayed there the whole time 997 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 2: I was gonna leave, And then I met a buddy 998 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 2: of mine right before right before Christmas break, I met, 999 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 2: I met, I knew him, but he asked me to 1000 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 2: come and have a beer with him, and we just 1001 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:47,359 Speaker 2: had such a great time. 1002 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 3: I decided to stay. 1003 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 2: And yeah, Yo, that's one of those things that I, 1004 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 2: you know, I believe in fate because I looked at 1005 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,280 Speaker 2: that moment of where I really was going to transfer, 1006 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 2: and his name was Chris Carney, and he actually he 1007 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 2: runs my life right now. 1008 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 3: But uh, he you know, beating him at not meeting him, 1009 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,320 Speaker 3: but just talking to him. 1010 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 2: That day at at that whole meeting and staying and 1011 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 2: having so much such a great time with him, and 1012 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 2: ended up staying in South Carolina. I mean, if I'd 1013 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 2: left South Carolina, I wouldn't be talking to you that rapp. 1014 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 3: You know. 1015 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have ever played in 1016 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,720 Speaker 2: the band if I'd doing this stuff after school. 1017 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,800 Speaker 3: So that's one of those things that makes me believe 1018 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 3: in fame. 1019 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: And what about finishing college. 1020 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 2: Uh, after my junior year, I had wracked up a 1021 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 2: pretty good uh student loan debt and uh didn't have 1022 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 2: really the money to go back, so I decided to 1023 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,759 Speaker 2: take a year off and just never went back. 1024 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: So, you know, like Bruce Springsteen has that record where 1025 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 1: his mother says he can still go back to college. 1026 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And the funny thing is, I 1027 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 2: think about it now because I'm such a gay Flock supporter. 1028 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 2: I think a lot that you know, take online classes 1029 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 2: and stuff and go back just to get the degree, 1030 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 2: so I could up being a graduate of the University 1031 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 2: of Carolina. But you know, like my friends have to say, 1032 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,839 Speaker 2: I think you did all right for yourself. So I'll 1033 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 2: see it that way. 1034 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,839 Speaker 1: What about your kids if your kids wanted to drop out. 1035 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 2: My nineteen year old has decided he did colleges enough 1036 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 2: for him, and I was fine with it. Collegism for 1037 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 2: everybody in today's world doesn't have to be you know, 1038 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 2: it was just hounded into our head back in the 1039 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 2: day that if you want a good job, you have 1040 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 2: to have a college degree. 1041 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 3: You know. I just don't believe that anymore, you know. 1042 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,439 Speaker 2: And and you know, like I said, he was going 1043 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 2: to the NYU and to drop four hundred grand to 1044 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 2: go to the school. 1045 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,240 Speaker 3: You know, when you don't want to go to school 1046 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 3: just if he didn't want to go. I was fine 1047 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:39,800 Speaker 3: with that. 1048 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 1: Okay. So you play with your buddy out and you 1049 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 1: have this realization that whoa, I could do this. What 1050 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: happens next. 1051 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 2: Oh, we get another buddy and another buddy and we 1052 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 2: start playing shows, and you know, we start traveling all 1053 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 2: over the East Coast after a while. 1054 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: A little bit. So first of all, I'm sure you 1055 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,399 Speaker 1: don't like it. Many people call you Hoody, But in 1056 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,320 Speaker 1: the book it tells the story of how the band 1057 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,879 Speaker 1: named Hoody and the Blowfish came about. Can you tell 1058 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,240 Speaker 1: my audience that story? 1059 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,360 Speaker 2: Oh? I was. I was actually in a show choir 1060 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 2: and that's that's South Carolina and called Carolina Alive. 1061 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 3: And we were we were ship Man. 1062 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,880 Speaker 2: We we played inaugurations and all over the place we 1063 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 2: would play, and we were starting the band. Market and 1064 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 2: I played together for a few months and we were 1065 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 2: starting the band. We had our first gig about a 1066 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 2: week after this happened. And there was one guy that 1067 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 2: had really big guys and more round glasses like leaden 1068 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 2: and I started calling them Moodie, and everybody in the 1069 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 2: show choir started calling. And his best friend had these 1070 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,399 Speaker 2: big cheeks and he was a trumpet player. 1071 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 3: It could blow them up. 1072 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 2: And I called him the blowfish and I just kept 1073 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 2: calling bow Fish that everybody the show choir was called 1074 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 2: the blowfish. And they walked into a party once in 1075 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 2: my room in Myrtle Beach. We were playing singing somewhere 1076 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,239 Speaker 2: in Myrtle Beach and I was in my room and 1077 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 2: they walked in to the room and I said, hey, 1078 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 2: Hoody the bowfishes here. And I thought, my head, but 1079 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 2: Hooty the Bufish has to be the name of our band. 1080 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 2: And I went back and said Mark, although they've been 1081 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 2: Hooty the bois and he said whatever, And we've been 1082 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 2: hooting both ever since. 1083 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 1: Okay, just so I understand the timeline. While you were 1084 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: playing with Mark, you were also in the choir. 1085 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,479 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we were still in college. We were living 1086 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 2: on the dorm hall and we were still in college 1087 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 2: and you know, we were just starting the band. I 1088 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,359 Speaker 2: mean I think that was the fourth third or fourth 1089 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 2: time we ever played together when we played with the band. 1090 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: Okay, but the show choir was back home was associated 1091 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,399 Speaker 1: with the school. 1092 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 3: Right, yes it was. It was at the universityth Carolina. 1093 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 3: It was called Lot. 1094 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,080 Speaker 1: Yes, So what was it like being in the show 1095 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: choir in college as opposed to high Oh. 1096 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 3: The big difference was the parties. I mean all we 1097 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 3: do was party. You know. 1098 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,960 Speaker 2: We went through these great places. We would get to 1099 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 2: go to these great places, these great cities, you know, Pittsburgh, 1100 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 2: New York, you know, go down to Miami, you know, 1101 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,839 Speaker 2: go to Hertle Beach, go all these places and get 1102 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 2: to to get to sing, either in competitions or just 1103 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,839 Speaker 2: and just singing. And it was it was awesome, you know. 1104 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 2: And we were great. I mean we we I look 1105 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 2: back in those days and we were great. I mean 1106 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 2: everybody in there was a world class singer. You know, 1107 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 2: a lot of people were getting scholarships. 1108 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,880 Speaker 3: That's this thing. And it was it was it was awesome. 1109 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 2: I mean you really felt like you when you heard 1110 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 2: other folks singing in that choir, you felt like you 1111 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 2: were doing something because you were part of that. 1112 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,319 Speaker 1: And what about the partying, the sex, the drugs, the alcohol. 1113 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,880 Speaker 1: What when you're in college to what degree that a 1114 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: part of the show choir. 1115 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,759 Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't back then the drugs learn so much, 1116 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 2: but the accident. The alcohol was prevalent. It was everywhere. 1117 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 2: It was you know, we were kids. You know, that's 1118 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,439 Speaker 2: what we were doing. You know, that's what we were doing. 1119 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,520 Speaker 2: We were having a party. And but you know, we 1120 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,319 Speaker 2: were we were pros. Party didn't start till the show 1121 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 2: was though, but but yeah, we could have a party. 1122 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,839 Speaker 1: And how long after you start playing with Mark did 1123 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: you stop being in the show choir? 1124 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:29,399 Speaker 2: Oh? Goodness, probably a year and a half after market 1125 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,400 Speaker 2: I started. After the band started, I stopped sitting to 1126 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 2: the show choir. And it wasn't like, you know, I 1127 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 2: just quit the show choir because the market marketing was 1128 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,440 Speaker 2: still in school, so it's not like we could just 1129 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 2: get in the vans and go during the week or 1130 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 2: anything or and so you know, and and all the 1131 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,400 Speaker 2: all the shows for the show choir we usually booked 1132 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 2: before the semester started, so you know, when you were 1133 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,359 Speaker 2: at when I was going to be out of town 1134 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 2: with them, So we just planned our shows around that. 1135 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 1: Okay, so you play out with Mark, the bell goes 1136 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: off in your head. What's the next step? 1137 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 2: I found a drummer in the bass player and uh, Mark. 1138 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 1: Can you tell this story about the girl and the 1139 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,399 Speaker 1: thoughts etc. That's in the book? 1140 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 2: Well? Which girl? Will Sony by the drummer. Well, you know, 1141 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,839 Speaker 2: we our first drummer quit and uh, we were looking 1142 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 2: for drummers, and uh, like seven guys were coming to 1143 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 2: play with us one day and I saw Sony's name 1144 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,040 Speaker 2: on the list, and I told Mark and Dean that 1145 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,440 Speaker 2: Sony wasn't going to be our drummer because I hated him. 1146 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,399 Speaker 2: And the reason I hated him was my freshman year 1147 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 2: in college, when I was in the show choir, I 1148 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,360 Speaker 2: had a friend. You know, I was still in the 1149 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 2: friend zone, but I was trying not to be in 1150 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,839 Speaker 2: the friend zone. But we were pretty tight. We hung 1151 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,960 Speaker 2: out a lot and uh. And so she calls me 1152 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 2: up and tells me to come to her room, which 1153 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,160 Speaker 2: was seriously on the opposite end of campus from where 1154 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:56,440 Speaker 2: I am. 1155 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,120 Speaker 3: And so I'm all excited. I think today's today, you know. 1156 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 2: And I get up and I walk all the way 1157 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,200 Speaker 2: across campus, a twenty minute walk, probably twenty five minute walk, 1158 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,840 Speaker 2: and I get to her room and she takes me 1159 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 2: out seat. She rushes me outside, and she tells me 1160 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,360 Speaker 2: to stand on the bridge while she runs down and 1161 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,680 Speaker 2: take a picture of her. When she got I realized 1162 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,840 Speaker 2: when she was running down that she had written we 1163 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 2: had these sand volleyball courts, and I realized she had 1164 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,200 Speaker 2: written in the sand I love Sony And I didn't 1165 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,839 Speaker 2: know who the Sony guy was, but I hated him. 1166 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,080 Speaker 2: And then later I found out, you know who he 1167 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,120 Speaker 2: was and everything. But uh, yeah, I told him he 1168 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 2: was never gonna be our drummer. But yeah, I was wrong. 1169 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: So where is that girl today? 1170 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,440 Speaker 2: Oh goodness, I haven't talked to Devin years. It's been 1171 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,080 Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you. I really haven't known it. I 1172 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:46,879 Speaker 2: haven't seen her in years. 1173 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,360 Speaker 1: Okay, you become internationally famous, does everybody you ever knew 1174 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: come out of the woodwork? 1175 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,399 Speaker 2: A lot of people have. Yeah, like I like when 1176 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 2: we first got big, I saw her a couple times 1177 00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 2: in a couple of shows. It was great to see her. 1178 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 2: She was She's a wonderful human being. It's a wonderful 1179 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 2: human being. And you know, it's still down. You know, 1180 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 2: I'll be playing a show in some city. A buddy 1181 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,319 Speaker 2: of mine that I grew up with, that I haven't 1182 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,960 Speaker 2: seen in thirty five years, you know, found me the 1183 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,320 Speaker 2: It's social media makes it so easy. You know, found 1184 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,279 Speaker 2: me on Instagram the other day. And you know he's 1185 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 2: coming out to his show this week and people just 1186 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,520 Speaker 2: coming out of the woodwork and nine time is great. 1187 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's that five percent when it was 1188 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,960 Speaker 2: somebody who didn't like back then. You know. 1189 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,920 Speaker 3: But uh that that's a rarity. 1190 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,840 Speaker 1: And how about people asking for money? 1191 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,720 Speaker 2: Uh that that's been a problem. 1192 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 3: You know, that's been something. 1193 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 1: That's the problem. 1194 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:41,400 Speaker 2: You know. 1195 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,879 Speaker 3: I've gotten good at saying no. I've gotten really good 1196 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 3: at saying no. 1197 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,560 Speaker 2: I think early on it's tough for me to say 1198 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 2: no because I was doing so well, and you know, 1199 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 2: I hate to see anybody. I know how hard it 1200 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,240 Speaker 2: must be for some people to do that. But uh, 1201 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 2: I'm really good at saying. 1202 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:03,600 Speaker 1: Now, okay. Friend of mine, Steve Lucather, guitarist in Toto 1203 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: and other things, he says when he gives people money, 1204 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,200 Speaker 1: just say it's a gift, because if you say it's alone, 1205 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,239 Speaker 1: they don't pay it back. You ruin the friendship, et cetera. 1206 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,640 Speaker 1: What's your experience been. 1207 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:15,560 Speaker 3: Oh, I agree with that one. 1208 00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,399 Speaker 2: I don't say it's a gift, and they always go bad, 1209 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to pay you back, and I go okay, 1210 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,120 Speaker 2: But in my mind giving it to him, because I 1211 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:28,000 Speaker 2: can honestly say, of all the times I've given money 1212 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,560 Speaker 2: to family or friends and they said they were going 1213 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,080 Speaker 2: to pay it back. 1214 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,440 Speaker 3: I think maybe one person did. 1215 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,239 Speaker 1: Okay, So now you have the band, you have four 1216 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,279 Speaker 1: members in the band. What happens after that? 1217 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:45,359 Speaker 2: We start playing, you know, and we we play from 1218 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,319 Speaker 2: New York down to Florida and Tennessee and. 1219 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,799 Speaker 1: Who whoaaha, you get a band together. What are the 1220 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: first couple of gigs? 1221 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,799 Speaker 2: Oh? Just I was Chicken Wing Joy in Columbia. That 1222 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,200 Speaker 2: was right across the street from my dorm. 1223 00:56:59,080 --> 00:56:59,279 Speaker 3: You know. 1224 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,560 Speaker 2: We would literally carry our instruments from our dorm room 1225 00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,720 Speaker 2: across the street and play at Pappy's and it was great. 1226 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 3: You know, it's not even there anymore. It's a bookstore now. 1227 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,880 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people, you know, bands start and 1228 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,359 Speaker 1: there's a member in the band who's hitting up every 1229 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,400 Speaker 1: club owner. It says, give us a gig, give us 1230 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 1: a chance. What happened with your band? 1231 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 2: Sure we did that, you know, especially especially in the 1232 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,240 Speaker 2: first couple of years, where we just called clubs in 1233 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,400 Speaker 2: town that we knew had bands and tried to get in. 1234 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,200 Speaker 2: And then you start calling outside of town, and you know, 1235 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 2: you start playing frats and you know, I guess we 1236 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,680 Speaker 2: got lucky early on. I think it was East Coast 1237 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 2: Booking or something was the David book Is. Somebody saw 1238 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,600 Speaker 2: us one night, liked us, and so they would. 1239 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:44,880 Speaker 3: Help us book that. 1240 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 2: They would help us book shows all you know, either 1241 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,840 Speaker 2: frat house here or some small club somewhere, and you know, 1242 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 2: so you just start playing and developing a reputation. And 1243 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll say, you know, every club we ever played, 1244 00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,640 Speaker 2: we might have gone there the first time there was 1245 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,280 Speaker 2: ten people there, but the next time we came. 1246 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:01,800 Speaker 3: There was forty. 1247 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,320 Speaker 2: Why because we were good, you know, we were good 1248 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 2: and we were fun. And people would tell their friends, 1249 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,919 Speaker 2: well that WHOI Wolf's band back in time. We gotta 1250 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,120 Speaker 2: go see them, And then the next time they be eighty. 1251 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,400 Speaker 2: Then the next time they'd be two hundred. 1252 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,440 Speaker 1: Okay, you're the front band. It's your job. How do 1253 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,320 Speaker 1: you make it fun? 1254 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,720 Speaker 2: Oh? I never thought of it like that way. You know, 1255 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,680 Speaker 2: for us, it was just let's go play our music, 1256 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,400 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I think it's still like that 1257 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 2: when Hoodie's together. It's not it's not my job to 1258 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 2: make it fun. We play music and we do what 1259 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 2: we do and we hope you like it. I will 1260 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,160 Speaker 2: say to somebody the other day, the difference between playing 1261 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 2: my country band and playing with Whodi is when I 1262 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,760 Speaker 2: play with Hoodie, I feel like I'm Jerry Garcia. I'm saying, 1263 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm never with my guitar and my job is to 1264 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,200 Speaker 2: play guitar and say, you know. But when I play 1265 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 2: with my country band, I feel like my job is 1266 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 2: to be big jagger. I mean, and that's just two 1267 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,600 Speaker 2: different things. But with Hoody that's what we are as well. 1268 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 2: We were just we were four. We were a band. 1269 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 2: It wasn't anybody's band. There was no front man. We 1270 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,280 Speaker 2: were all the frontman. 1271 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,480 Speaker 1: I was just a guy, that's And at what point 1272 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 1: did the money become such? He said, wait a second, 1273 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,840 Speaker 1: this is real. Never mind not finishing school. 1274 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,880 Speaker 2: Oh before we before we made it, before we had 1275 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 2: a record deal, I think two years about. We played 1276 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,800 Speaker 2: for seven years before we had a record deal, and 1277 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 2: I think two or three years before before we got 1278 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,920 Speaker 2: a record deal, we each made like fifty sixty thousand 1279 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,919 Speaker 2: dollars each and we thought that was amazing. We were 1280 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,160 Speaker 2: making more than our friends that had graduated, and we're 1281 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,360 Speaker 2: working in all these different jobs. 1282 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,640 Speaker 3: So it was like, you know, we're doing just fine, 1283 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:41,560 Speaker 3: we're doing all right. 1284 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 2: And that was how we felt, you know, Okay, we're 1285 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,920 Speaker 2: doing fun, and we're making money. We're playing a lot 1286 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,880 Speaker 2: of shows. We're making money, and we're working our buts off, 1287 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,120 Speaker 2: and we compare our bills and have money to go 1288 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 2: out and drink and have money to buy clothes, and 1289 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,840 Speaker 2: it felt good. It felt like we were doing something right. 1290 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,760 Speaker 1: At what point did you start to play original material. 1291 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,880 Speaker 2: Oh, after the first couple of years, Like, yeah, Sony 1292 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,400 Speaker 2: came in. You know, we started in eighty six. We 1293 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,040 Speaker 2: started really writing songs in eighty eight, and Sony came 1294 01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 2: in the band in eighty nine. And when Sony came in, 1295 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,600 Speaker 2: it was, you know, we went pretty much straight to 1296 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,200 Speaker 2: eighty percent originals and you know, twenty percent covers unless 1297 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,680 Speaker 2: you were going to our frat house then you know, 1298 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 2: you do sixty forty. 1299 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Was there somebody in the band who said, wait a second, 1300 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,600 Speaker 1: we have to write originals. 1301 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,360 Speaker 2: No, that was just something we wanted to do. It 1302 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,800 Speaker 2: was never anything that anybody's sitting down and going, okay, 1303 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,360 Speaker 2: we got to It was a you know, we just 1304 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,600 Speaker 2: started writing songs, you know, and we'd play them and 1305 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,800 Speaker 2: and you know, it was for us. It was always 1306 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,040 Speaker 2: when we're in Columbia, let's play the new songs, because 1307 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,720 Speaker 2: those people have been listening to us for a while. 1308 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,560 Speaker 2: If they don't like it, we should probably scrap. And 1309 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:55,800 Speaker 2: so that's how we started. 1310 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: Now you're on the road and rock and roll band, 1311 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: you're paid in cash. Most people are not paying taxes 1312 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 1: on most of that money. What were you guys doing? 1313 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,640 Speaker 2: Not us? We had our bass player was a business major, 1314 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,120 Speaker 2: and we we would take half of everything we made 1315 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:27,160 Speaker 2: every night, put it away from taxes. Really every every night, 1316 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,040 Speaker 2: every night. We sometimes we'd get mad. We would get mad, 1317 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,600 Speaker 2: but uh, you know, we put away from taxes and 1318 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,760 Speaker 2: we pay taxes and everybody would get it all bad, 1319 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,959 Speaker 2: you know, but we didn't want some day to make 1320 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,200 Speaker 2: it and then ours coming over what happened in these 1321 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,480 Speaker 2: three years you guys were playing. 1322 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,040 Speaker 1: Have you ever had that experience in your career? With 1323 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,320 Speaker 1: the I R S came into what did you want? 1324 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:48,360 Speaker 2: It? 1325 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:49,040 Speaker 1: Significant? 1326 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,200 Speaker 2: Some oh knuckle would no. 1327 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,840 Speaker 1: Okay, because that's a typical rock and roll story. 1328 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,480 Speaker 2: But we didn't live that story. I mean, Dean wouldn't 1329 01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,520 Speaker 2: let us. We were sticklers with taxes and we were 1330 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,040 Speaker 2: sticklers were doing everything right, and because we didn't want 1331 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:05,720 Speaker 2: that to wrappen. 1332 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,000 Speaker 1: So you're driving in a van. There are bands who 1333 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,760 Speaker 1: literally died with their van flips over. In addition, they 1334 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,760 Speaker 1: stayed in a hotel and the equipment is stolen. What 1335 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,320 Speaker 1: were your experiences going on the road for all these 1336 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,400 Speaker 1: years before you had a record deal? 1337 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,640 Speaker 3: Oh goodness, it was usually good. 1338 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,560 Speaker 2: I mean we our first van sucked in the navy 1339 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,120 Speaker 2: seats in the back, so we'd lay on the ground 1340 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,520 Speaker 2: and the equipment would be there, and a couple of 1341 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,600 Speaker 2: times until somebody hit the brakes and thank god we 1342 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,840 Speaker 2: were all awake because we had all but sleeping. One 1343 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,240 Speaker 2: of us or too, was to be dead because the 1344 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,600 Speaker 2: equipment started to come forward, and you know, you got 1345 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,800 Speaker 2: up and got your hands up in time to stop 1346 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,760 Speaker 2: it from killing us. But uh, the worst thing that 1347 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,800 Speaker 2: ever happened to us. We were playing the Bayou and 1348 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,080 Speaker 2: DC and we were parked out back. 1349 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:52,160 Speaker 3: Our fan was parked out back. 1350 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,400 Speaker 2: We packed up the van with all the equipment and 1351 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,560 Speaker 2: we went out drinking and we at this point we 1352 01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,880 Speaker 2: had one other guy with us, Jeff Poland with the 1353 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,640 Speaker 2: He was a slash bank tour manager, slash security. He's 1354 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,720 Speaker 2: riding with us in the van, and we came back 1355 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:12,680 Speaker 2: and five of our guitarism and there was abandoned house 1356 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,720 Speaker 2: right next to the bayou, and we knew homeless folks 1357 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,360 Speaker 2: lived in there, and Jeff wasn't having it, and we 1358 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,920 Speaker 2: went into that house and we found all our guitars 1359 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,080 Speaker 2: and we beat a couple of people up with the 1360 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:23,960 Speaker 2: guitars back. 1361 01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:27,120 Speaker 1: Wow. 1362 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:28,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1363 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,560 Speaker 2: And no car accidents, No car accidents. We were lucky 1364 01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,320 Speaker 2: with that. No car accidents. I mean when we finally 1365 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,840 Speaker 2: had a trailer once one of the guitars fell out 1366 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,120 Speaker 2: of the trailer that we didn't know and that that sucked. 1367 01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,640 Speaker 3: He lost a really good lass ball that day. 1368 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:41,720 Speaker 1: Wow. 1369 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1370 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:47,400 Speaker 1: Okay. Their bands they meet in high school, they travel 1371 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,480 Speaker 1: in vans. By the time they have the success, they 1372 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 1: hate each other. And there's certainly mega bands where everybody 1373 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 1: goes in their own limo. You know, you got four 1374 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,560 Speaker 1: guys in a van, et cetera. How harmonious was it? 1375 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:00,200 Speaker 3: Oh? 1376 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,280 Speaker 2: We were best friends. We were separable. I mean it 1377 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,960 Speaker 2: was we would go on the roads for three weeks, 1378 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:12,280 Speaker 2: come home, I'm going to come home, And in an 1379 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,120 Speaker 2: hour of being home, we were calling each other to 1380 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,480 Speaker 2: find out where we were going that night. 1381 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 3: We were always together and he loved it. 1382 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I know acts where you know, all 1383 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,440 Speaker 1: of a sudden, a couple of years after college, they 1384 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,080 Speaker 1: got parental pressure whatever. They had a girlfriend and they 1385 01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:34,040 Speaker 1: said I'm stopping. Ready, the members of Hoodie the Blowfish saying, man, 1386 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, I can't do this for another year. I'm 1387 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:36,400 Speaker 1: thinking of quitting. 1388 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,920 Speaker 2: Uh huh huh. No, that's that four of us. I mean, 1389 01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,479 Speaker 2: our first drummer quit, Our first drummer left the band. 1390 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,200 Speaker 2: He he you know, he was he was really religious 1391 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,960 Speaker 2: in this. I mean, his family didn't want him playing 1392 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,080 Speaker 2: in the band. And we understood that and we respected that. 1393 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,440 Speaker 2: It was probably a good thing because then Sony wouldn't 1394 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:55,640 Speaker 2: be in the band and we would have home my 1395 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,840 Speaker 2: hand and you know, some other stuff and so but uh, 1396 01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,880 Speaker 2: the four of us, it was ever that. It was 1397 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,640 Speaker 2: never I'm gonna quit. It was we won't play until 1398 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:06,160 Speaker 2: we make it. 1399 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,360 Speaker 1: Okay, okay. Was there a conscious thing because you're making 1400 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,240 Speaker 1: good money at this point and you're living quite a life. 1401 01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,400 Speaker 1: Was there a conscious thing? We got to get a 1402 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,280 Speaker 1: record deal, We're going to be big stars. 1403 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,040 Speaker 2: At first, at first, that was that though I don't 1404 01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 2: think we ever said we're going to be big stars, 1405 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,160 Speaker 2: especially the nineties when grunge took over, you know. But uh, 1406 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,919 Speaker 2: at first it was that do we got a record 1407 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,360 Speaker 2: deal with a company like Capricorn Records or something I 1408 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,439 Speaker 2: think it was called, and uh we got a record 1409 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,920 Speaker 2: that was so excited and they went under before we 1410 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,720 Speaker 2: made our record, and that really, I think put a 1411 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,240 Speaker 2: bad taste in our mouth labels, and so we we 1412 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,120 Speaker 2: weren't drying to get a record deal because we were 1413 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,800 Speaker 2: making money. We were playing shows, we were we were 1414 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,280 Speaker 2: selling out, you know, like I said, I'm from New 1415 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 2: York down to Florida and all every every state, every 1416 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,320 Speaker 2: six weeks, the same clubs selling them out, you know, 1417 01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,600 Speaker 2: even some towns moving to a little theater because we 1418 01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,280 Speaker 2: were doing so well. So we if a record deal came, great, 1419 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,080 Speaker 2: If not, we're just gonna keeping make playing, keep making music. 1420 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,560 Speaker 1: But then Atlantic comes around. So are you once beaten 1421 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,919 Speaker 1: twice shy or how does what goes on there? 1422 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,040 Speaker 2: No? We put when we put Kouchi Pop out, which 1423 01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:21,320 Speaker 2: was our EP that wrapped for Crack Review. Uh, we 1424 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,800 Speaker 2: put that out and we sold like sixty five thousand 1425 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,680 Speaker 2: copies out of the back of our van and at 1426 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,280 Speaker 2: Mama Pop stores. 1427 01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,240 Speaker 3: All around the Carolinas and Georgia and. 1428 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,400 Speaker 2: Stuff, and and Atlantic was the only one that came. 1429 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 2: I mean, there were a few labels that wanted to 1430 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 2: come see this band that was out selling YouTube and 1431 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,920 Speaker 2: Pearl Jam down in the Carolinas, you know, and they 1432 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,160 Speaker 2: wanted to sign us. And you know, it was like, okay, 1433 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,200 Speaker 2: let's go make a record. You know, hopefully we'll sell 1434 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,120 Speaker 2: two undred thousand copies. They'll let us make another one. 1435 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,760 Speaker 2: So how'd you end up using Gone Gaming? We talked 1436 01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,560 Speaker 2: about a few We talked to a few producers, like 1437 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,400 Speaker 2: good names, really good names, and we met Don And 1438 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,440 Speaker 2: the minute we met Don, we knew he was our producer. 1439 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:16,160 Speaker 2: He was such a calming, laid back, affeelable, invuncular presence 1440 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:21,080 Speaker 2: in our lot instantly, and we knew we wanted that guy. 1441 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,000 Speaker 2: And he had also done an RM record and he 1442 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,439 Speaker 2: had done those Melicat records. You know, it was like, yeah, 1443 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:27,480 Speaker 2: we want to sound like that. 1444 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,320 Speaker 1: So what was the experience of making the record? 1445 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,840 Speaker 2: Like, oh man, our first record was you know, the 1446 01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,360 Speaker 2: four of us all lived in the same house, two 1447 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,560 Speaker 2: bedroom apartment we lived in to make that record. 1448 01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:46,720 Speaker 3: And it was it was us against the world. It 1449 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:47,360 Speaker 3: was awesome. 1450 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,200 Speaker 2: You know. We drove in the studio together every day, 1451 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,120 Speaker 2: we hung out all day. After the studio, we ate 1452 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,160 Speaker 2: together and went home and watched TV together. We went 1453 01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,120 Speaker 2: out the bars together. It was awesome. It was it 1454 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,920 Speaker 2: was exactly what we needed to make our first record, 1455 01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:09,040 Speaker 2: and it was it was never work. It was never working. 1456 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,160 Speaker 2: It was it was always God, we're working with Dog 1457 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,720 Speaker 2: gave it. We're going to make this damn record. This 1458 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,720 Speaker 2: is crazy, Okay. 1459 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,920 Speaker 1: A lot of people make the first record and when 1460 01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,759 Speaker 1: they're done, they're not happy. They feel they were pushed 1461 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,679 Speaker 1: around by the label or the producer who didn't sound 1462 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,160 Speaker 1: the way they wanted to do. When the record was done, 1463 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,160 Speaker 1: how did you feel about the record? 1464 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 2: You know, I remember taking I thought that we played 1465 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 2: everything too slow, but that you know, that's because we 1466 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,160 Speaker 2: were still playing used to playing live, and you know 1467 01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,360 Speaker 2: those click tracks you know, you're drinking songs just get 1468 01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,520 Speaker 2: faster when you're that in that atmosphere. 1469 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,120 Speaker 3: But I thought it was a great record. 1470 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So you deliver the record to Atlantic and they say, 1471 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,080 Speaker 1: this is ship. We don't want to do anything with it. 1472 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say they say it was ship. You know, 1473 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,120 Speaker 1: there were a couple of people up in Atlantic, they 1474 01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,679 Speaker 1: said it was ship you know. Uh, you know, actually 1475 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,240 Speaker 1: Daddy Gober who was the president, loved it. You know, 1476 01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,080 Speaker 1: Tim Summer right and our guy loved it. You know, 1477 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,439 Speaker 1: there were people up there that thought it was really cool. 1478 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,799 Speaker 1: But there were a couple of people who were important 1479 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:16,080 Speaker 1: that didn't like it because their mind, their mind was 1480 01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,640 Speaker 1: on grunge, their mind was on what was popular at 1481 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,559 Speaker 1: the time, what was what was the big thing, you 1482 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 1: know at the time, and we weren't grunge. And I 1483 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,639 Speaker 1: still think the greatest line of that type of our 1484 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,400 Speaker 1: lives was the guy who said that that if Atlantic 1485 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,040 Speaker 1: put that record out, there would be the laughing stock 1486 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:36,479 Speaker 1: of music. 1487 01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,640 Speaker 3: That's a direct quote. I just always laugh at that. 1488 01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,160 Speaker 3: You know, we all laugh at that. 1489 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,679 Speaker 2: I'm sure Atlantic that I bet the guy that says 1490 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:46,920 Speaker 2: that that laughs at that. 1491 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:52,439 Speaker 1: Now, Well, in this process between the record being finished, 1492 01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,720 Speaker 1: in the record gaining traction, what was your mood, in 1493 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,160 Speaker 1: the mood of the rest of the band, We're like, no, 1494 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,000 Speaker 1: this is still gonna happen, or man, we cut this 1495 01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:03,960 Speaker 1: record and they're not going to get behind it. 1496 01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,400 Speaker 2: Oh, we do, we do. We knew they were gonna 1497 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,120 Speaker 2: get behind it, you know. I mean, they didn't give 1498 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:12,439 Speaker 2: us anybody to make it, so we knew. So our attitudes. 1499 01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,160 Speaker 2: Let's go out and play shows and get people to 1500 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,280 Speaker 2: go out and buy it. You know, Let's go up 1501 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,160 Speaker 2: and play. Let's do what we're doing and tell them 1502 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,240 Speaker 2: on stage we got a new record out. Yeah, go 1503 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,559 Speaker 2: buy a record. Let's start. Let's tell two hundred thousand 1504 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,720 Speaker 2: copies and get to make another one. 1505 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,800 Speaker 3: We were we were never woe is me. We were 1506 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,840 Speaker 3: never those folks. We were never victims. You know. 1507 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,920 Speaker 2: We were on a major recordable man. You know, let's 1508 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,559 Speaker 2: just go out and play. Let's keep doing exactly what 1509 01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:37,080 Speaker 2: we were doing. 1510 01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,360 Speaker 1: When was the first time you heard the song on 1511 01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:40,800 Speaker 1: the radio? 1512 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,960 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean the the week the single came out, 1513 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:47,720 Speaker 2: we called My Head came out as a single. We 1514 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,680 Speaker 2: heard it Columbia on the radio, you know, and it 1515 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,200 Speaker 2: was wow, there we are on the radio. 1516 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,040 Speaker 3: You know, it was awesome. 1517 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,759 Speaker 2: I mean, were you know there were stations in Columbia 1518 01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,960 Speaker 2: and Charleston and Bertle Beast that were playing the song, 1519 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,800 Speaker 2: you know, but it just wasn't nationwide yet. 1520 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,800 Speaker 1: Okay, at what point did you get a manager and 1521 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:07,799 Speaker 1: a major agent? 1522 01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:13,920 Speaker 2: Oh, we got a manager before Coucie Pop, like when 1523 01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,720 Speaker 2: we were when we were we were making our very 1524 01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,880 Speaker 2: first EP. We got a manager. But he was just 1525 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,880 Speaker 2: some dude that we do. It wasn't like he was 1526 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,479 Speaker 2: a big time. He was just some dude. We know that, 1527 01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,519 Speaker 2: and we need people to make phone calls and stuff. 1528 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,120 Speaker 2: That could be our manager. You know, we got a 1529 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:35,479 Speaker 2: major booking agent, probably right after Letterman, you know, right 1530 01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:36,400 Speaker 2: after Letleman as well. 1531 01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,120 Speaker 3: We led a major booking agency. 1532 01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,439 Speaker 1: So how long did you stay with that booking agent? 1533 01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:43,280 Speaker 3: Oh? Forever? 1534 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,160 Speaker 2: We we I don't think we left him. We were 1535 01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,280 Speaker 2: living with them for six years, maybe six seven years. 1536 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,880 Speaker 1: And how did you get rid of the garage manager? 1537 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,600 Speaker 2: He was what We kept him for ten years or 1538 01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,320 Speaker 2: probably more. Maybe I'm sure it's more than that. You know, 1539 01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:59,639 Speaker 2: he was just our manager. 1540 01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,120 Speaker 3: It was he was. 1541 01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,599 Speaker 2: He was part of our group. He was just one 1542 01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,719 Speaker 2: of us, you know, and so we kept him forever. 1543 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,160 Speaker 2: And then finally he just wasn't working out for us. 1544 01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,320 Speaker 2: We didn't like some of the decisions he made and 1545 01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,880 Speaker 2: some things he did, and we just decided to move on. 1546 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,160 Speaker 3: And when we talked McGee. 1547 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,519 Speaker 1: So, how did you decide on Doc? 1548 01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,519 Speaker 2: Oh? I knew when we were when we were firing Rusty, 1549 01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,160 Speaker 2: Doc was going to be a manager. We hadn't met 1550 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,280 Speaker 2: Doc a couple of times, and he loved us like 1551 01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,320 Speaker 2: Doc was a Rusty's bental and and and you know 1552 01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,080 Speaker 2: the joke was he would know Russey would call Doc 1553 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,080 Speaker 2: and ask him what he should do, and when Doc 1554 01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,080 Speaker 2: told him what to do, he would do the exact opposite. 1555 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,559 Speaker 3: And so, uh, you know, Doc was a no brainer 1556 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,240 Speaker 3: for us. 1557 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,720 Speaker 1: And what did Doc do that Rusty couldn't do? 1558 01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,559 Speaker 2: Goodness, exactly what Doc said he was gonna do. He 1559 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,519 Speaker 2: said that, uh, we're gonna tour less and make a 1560 01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,599 Speaker 2: lot more money, and we're gonna do it the right way. 1561 01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:56,920 Speaker 3: And that's exactly what he did. 1562 01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,960 Speaker 1: Well, a little bit more granular, What did he actually 1563 01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:01,439 Speaker 1: changed so that came true? 1564 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,320 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean everything, he streamlined everything we didn't have. 1565 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,320 Speaker 2: We we didn't say yes to the opening of of 1566 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,160 Speaker 2: a doenvelope anymore, you know, we we made what we 1567 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,240 Speaker 2: did special. He made people see what we did, we're 1568 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,360 Speaker 2: doing a special. And he was Doc McGee. Doc McGee 1569 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,760 Speaker 2: calls you. You take the phone call and so he just 1570 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,759 Speaker 2: big time managed us and he made it. He made 1571 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:30,639 Speaker 2: being us something that was cool and important, and just 1572 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,040 Speaker 2: do it on a bigger scale. 1573 01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,280 Speaker 3: Like it's like John bun Joey said to me. 1574 01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,479 Speaker 2: When we looked where were when we fired RUSI, we're 1575 01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,679 Speaker 2: looking for managers. I called John and I asked him 1576 01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,960 Speaker 2: what he thought about Doctor, and he said, Doc will 1577 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,160 Speaker 2: take what you want to do in a theater and 1578 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,360 Speaker 2: you'll do it in a in the stadium. 1579 01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:50,559 Speaker 3: And that was Doc. 1580 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,040 Speaker 1: And you're still with Doc, right. 1581 01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,479 Speaker 2: I'm not with Doc anymore? No, Doc, Doc's I'm pretty 1582 01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,160 Speaker 2: much retired these days. I'm with the Maverick now with 1583 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,439 Speaker 2: Clarence Faulding. But uh yeah, you know Doc is still 1584 01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,040 Speaker 2: my dad. I still call him for advice every week. 1585 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,360 Speaker 1: So how'd you decide who your new manager would be? 1586 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,320 Speaker 2: I do, Clarence. I've got Clarence you know, around here 1587 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,160 Speaker 2: in Nashville. And uh I liked them, and you know, 1588 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:20,000 Speaker 2: at this point of my career, at the point I 1589 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,880 Speaker 2: went with Class I guess about five six years ago. Now, 1590 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I just want somebody that I liked, that 1591 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,280 Speaker 2: I get that that that wants to work would be 1592 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:33,080 Speaker 2: you know that wants to take what I have and 1593 01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:37,000 Speaker 2: maximize it and not work my butt off and make 1594 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,040 Speaker 2: me do things I don't want to do. And so 1595 01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:40,960 Speaker 2: when Clarence and I had a meeting, because I met 1596 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,080 Speaker 2: with every manager pretty much in Nashville, who is somebody 1597 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,880 Speaker 2: and you know it was it was definitely Clarence for me. 1598 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,679 Speaker 1: Tell us about that definitive performance on Letterman oh Man. 1599 01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,479 Speaker 2: You know, the legend goes that, uh, you know Letterman 1600 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,120 Speaker 2: artists in the radio on Tuesday. 1601 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,840 Speaker 3: It was it was it was a DJ. The DJ 1602 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:02,680 Speaker 3: had heard whom I. 1603 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:07,600 Speaker 2: Had in a meeting and they weren't gonna add it. 1604 01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,800 Speaker 2: You know, it was it was drivetime DJ. They were 1605 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,120 Speaker 2: gonna add it, and he loved the song, and you said, 1606 01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:16,640 Speaker 2: I'm gonna play this song. You gotta tell me what 1607 01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,720 Speaker 2: you think? What do you think? Was the only time 1608 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,519 Speaker 2: they had ever played it, And you know, Letterman hears 1609 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,559 Speaker 2: it on the drive home from the show, and you know, 1610 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,760 Speaker 2: the legend is that he pulled over and called his 1611 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,080 Speaker 2: book engagent and said, I want this band on my 1612 01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:31,280 Speaker 2: on my show. 1613 01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:32,160 Speaker 3: This is Tuesday. 1614 01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:36,200 Speaker 2: We were on the show on Friday, and first of 1615 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,200 Speaker 2: we got a phone call on Wednesday, week Wednesday morning. 1616 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,599 Speaker 2: We didn't believe it. We thought our manager was fucking 1617 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,280 Speaker 2: with us. You know, no way, because we were says 1618 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,639 Speaker 2: fans of the show. I mean that was a staple 1619 01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:52,000 Speaker 2: for us, watching Letterman and no way, there's there's no way, 1620 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,760 Speaker 2: David Levond, you know. And we got a show in 1621 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,280 Speaker 2: Colombia that night. You know, we can't. You know, that's 1622 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,599 Speaker 2: the biggest show we've ever had in Columbia, the four 1623 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,920 Speaker 2: thousand people. You know, we got to play the show. 1624 01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:07,040 Speaker 2: We'll get take the TV show, you know. And the 1625 01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:11,280 Speaker 2: first time the label stepped up and got us a plane, 1626 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,280 Speaker 2: you know. And I always say we played, we drove 1627 01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,679 Speaker 2: to uh we we flew to Florida. That we flew 1628 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:24,080 Speaker 2: to New York that day and we we we couldn't 1629 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,480 Speaker 2: get on the radio anywhere. 1630 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,240 Speaker 3: Except the Carolina's and we left in that Monday. We 1631 01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,960 Speaker 3: were the most added for the next eight days in 1632 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:33,360 Speaker 3: a row. 1633 01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:34,320 Speaker 2: You know. 1634 01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,560 Speaker 3: It was it just it changed our lives. 1635 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,960 Speaker 1: Okay, that album crack re review becomes a phenomenon and 1636 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:45,439 Speaker 1: the band is everywhere. What was it like being on 1637 01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:49,400 Speaker 1: the ride? Oh we did, We didn't see it. All 1638 01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,640 Speaker 1: we saw was that we were so insulated with the 1639 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,840 Speaker 1: four of us. That that was a that was the 1640 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,800 Speaker 1: point in our career where if you wore a black 1641 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,559 Speaker 1: T shirt, the other three guys. 1642 01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,400 Speaker 3: Would destroy you. You know. 1643 01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:03,160 Speaker 2: It was we were so insulated and so conscious of 1644 01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,080 Speaker 2: each other that all we saw was it the shows 1645 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,519 Speaker 2: were getting bigger, and you know, we were doing you know, 1646 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,880 Speaker 2: there's more TV shows calling us. That's just the play. 1647 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,280 Speaker 2: That's how we saw. The shows were getting bigger, and 1648 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:14,400 Speaker 2: we're doing a little bit more TV. 1649 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,519 Speaker 3: That's good. We're good with that, you know. And then 1650 01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:19,080 Speaker 3: the money started coming in. 1651 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:32,120 Speaker 1: Okay, you're so successful that ultimately a backlash begins. Do 1652 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,599 Speaker 1: you experience that at all? 1653 01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:39,000 Speaker 3: Of course, of course, you know, of course you experienced it, 1654 01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:39,280 Speaker 3: you know. 1655 01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,800 Speaker 2: And it was the thing that we had going for 1656 01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,920 Speaker 2: us with that was that even when we played clubs 1657 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,360 Speaker 2: and we were becoming the biggest bands in the clubs, 1658 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,599 Speaker 2: you know, other bands didn't respect us. You know, they 1659 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,680 Speaker 2: either called us a cover band or they were you know, 1660 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,479 Speaker 2: those guys playing that pop music. You know, they so 1661 01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,719 Speaker 2: like we wouldn't even write our names on the walls 1662 01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,960 Speaker 2: the clubs were players. Because we knew when we came 1663 01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:06,000 Speaker 2: back somebody would be talking ship under Yeah, so when 1664 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,719 Speaker 2: that happened, it was just like, okay, but we're still 1665 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,880 Speaker 2: sell our baskets, Square Guard, three Nights in the road. 1666 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,479 Speaker 2: You know, we still you know, we're still going to 1667 01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 2: number one five times. 1668 01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:16,240 Speaker 3: You know. 1669 01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,200 Speaker 2: Okay, you y'all will have to like us, because everybody 1670 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,200 Speaker 2: out there that's a couple to see us loves us. 1671 01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,240 Speaker 1: And you emphasize in the book that you're living the 1672 01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:29,800 Speaker 1: rock and roll lifestyle. 1673 01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,600 Speaker 3: Oh, we were having a party. We were It was 1674 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,759 Speaker 3: a flat out, flat out party. 1675 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:41,160 Speaker 2: Yes, it was everything you expected, you know, sex, drugs, 1676 01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:41,800 Speaker 2: and rock and roll. 1677 01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,280 Speaker 3: It was. It was so much fun. 1678 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,680 Speaker 1: So no regrets, you say that was great. Glad I 1679 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:48,280 Speaker 1: got to do it. 1680 01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,519 Speaker 2: None. I'm glad. I'm glad all the four of us 1681 01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,160 Speaker 2: came out the other side. Okay, I'm glad the four 1682 01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,519 Speaker 2: of us could be these guys who the party's over for. 1683 01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,559 Speaker 2: But we had a great time when it was going. 1684 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:00,480 Speaker 3: No regrets. 1685 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,200 Speaker 1: What can you tell us about women on the road? 1686 01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,800 Speaker 3: So they were there. I want to tell you about 1687 01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:09,639 Speaker 3: that they were. 1688 01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:14,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so a certain number of women were willing. Did 1689 01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,240 Speaker 1: you have an interest in these women beyond one night? 1690 01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,479 Speaker 1: Did some of these women have an interest in you 1691 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,120 Speaker 1: beyond one night when you weren't interested. 1692 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,360 Speaker 2: Sure, I had girlfriends, you know, I had I dated 1693 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,639 Speaker 2: people here and there, but uh, you know, at that point, 1694 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,559 Speaker 2: it was it was so hard to date anybody because 1695 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,680 Speaker 2: we were traveling all the time. We were never off 1696 01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:37,400 Speaker 2: the road, you know, so it was hard to date anybody. 1697 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,599 Speaker 2: And so, you know, it was it was all about fun, 1698 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,120 Speaker 2: you know. And there were folks you hung out with 1699 01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,760 Speaker 2: and you saw more than once and you hung out, 1700 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:51,040 Speaker 2: but it was it was that it was that this man. 1701 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:56,320 Speaker 2: It was you know, the hedonistic lifestyle. And what about 1702 01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:01,479 Speaker 2: drugs everywhere? You know, it was everywhere. We yeah, you know, 1703 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,240 Speaker 2: we did our share and probably some other people share too. 1704 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:07,360 Speaker 2: We had a real good time. 1705 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,960 Speaker 1: The first check comes in, what do you buy? 1706 01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,760 Speaker 2: First check came out, I paid off my student loan 1707 01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,920 Speaker 2: and bought a truck, the first truck I ever was 1708 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:19,720 Speaker 2: the first utumbild of my life. 1709 01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:27,360 Speaker 1: Yep, okay, tell me about the experience of the second record. 1710 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,240 Speaker 3: Oh, I think we made that record too quick. 1711 01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:36,000 Speaker 2: I've said that before, but you know, Marx just really 1712 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,759 Speaker 2: wanted to make a record and we we we're banned, 1713 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,400 Speaker 2: and you know, somebody feels strongly about it. You can 1714 01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:44,360 Speaker 2: talk us into it, we'll all do it. So we 1715 01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,880 Speaker 2: It was a great experience, you know. We we we 1716 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,960 Speaker 2: rented a big house in l A. We went, we 1717 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,160 Speaker 2: reread it. Uh, we went. We were up in the 1718 01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,320 Speaker 2: hills of Sarah Fell and we just stayed. We stayed 1719 01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,200 Speaker 2: at the studio and we thought it was great because 1720 01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,519 Speaker 2: everybody had their own room. And but it was it 1721 01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,680 Speaker 2: was us, a dog and the engineer and you know, 1722 01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,360 Speaker 2: a couple of other people, and we ate there and 1723 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:11,439 Speaker 2: we worked out there, and we played golf right down 1724 01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,640 Speaker 2: the street, and it was a great experience. It was 1725 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,920 Speaker 2: just once again us against the world. 1726 01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:23,360 Speaker 1: So in retrospect, was it the record was released too 1727 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,439 Speaker 1: soon or the record didn't have it or both? 1728 01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,120 Speaker 2: Well, I think the I think it's a better record 1729 01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,599 Speaker 2: to crecor review. I just think we put it out 1730 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,519 Speaker 2: too soon. I mean, you know, our label wanted to 1731 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,000 Speaker 2: put out one or two more singles, and their words, 1732 01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:39,160 Speaker 2: not our words, go after thriller, you know, that's what 1733 01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,160 Speaker 2: they wanted to do. But uh, you know we did, 1734 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,400 Speaker 2: and you know, we sold five or six million copies 1735 01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:49,280 Speaker 2: or whatever it was. You know, that was considered a flop. 1736 01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,240 Speaker 2: After selling whatever wherever we were at that time with 1737 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:52,880 Speaker 2: record Review. 1738 01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,559 Speaker 1: Okay, at this point in time, do you still get 1739 01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,240 Speaker 1: royalties from the Hoodie Records? 1740 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,040 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, every week every year. 1741 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,519 Speaker 1: And do you own the songs you wrote? 1742 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:06,519 Speaker 3: We knew yes. 1743 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,479 Speaker 1: And in this crazy rule to the last six eight 1744 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,920 Speaker 1: years where everybody's selling their publishing in royalties, were you 1745 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,479 Speaker 1: ever approached? Would you ever do that? 1746 01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,720 Speaker 2: Oh? We get approach all the time, and I don't 1747 01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,720 Speaker 2: plan to do it. I mean that for me, that's 1748 01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,200 Speaker 2: an annuity for my kids. And you know, I don't 1749 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,160 Speaker 2: need the hard earned I don't need the hard money 1750 01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,600 Speaker 2: and my bank account or anything you know from that 1751 01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,160 Speaker 2: when I know that the money's going to come eventually. 1752 01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:34,479 Speaker 2: But uh, you know, and people ask the Bible kind 1753 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,240 Speaker 2: all all the time. You know, I'm not really interested 1754 01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:37,880 Speaker 2: in that right now. 1755 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:44,840 Speaker 1: So at what point do you realize that whod he 1756 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,680 Speaker 1: peaked with the first record and it's not going to sustain? 1757 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:49,960 Speaker 1: And how does that feel? 1758 01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,639 Speaker 2: Oh? I said that before we went into the second record. 1759 01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:54,200 Speaker 2: That was that was a direct thing I said to 1760 01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,120 Speaker 2: the band. You guys know that what we just went 1761 01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:01,680 Speaker 2: through is an anomaly and that just doesn't happen like that. 1762 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,759 Speaker 2: I mean, you can look at the history of music 1763 01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,719 Speaker 2: and the history of the biggest records in the world. 1764 01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,799 Speaker 2: And you know, you look at Michael Jackson from Thriller 1765 01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,679 Speaker 2: to Bad, you know, it just doesn't sustain. 1766 01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:14,640 Speaker 3: You know. 1767 01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,040 Speaker 2: We just wanted to keep playing playing music at the 1768 01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:18,519 Speaker 2: level we were playing it, and we got. 1769 01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:22,439 Speaker 1: To So what comes first, your country career or the 1770 01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:23,759 Speaker 1: winding down of Hoodie? 1771 01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,920 Speaker 2: Oh, the winding down of Hoodie for sure. I mean 1772 01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:28,680 Speaker 2: I would have I don't think I would have ever 1773 01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,360 Speaker 2: gone to Nashville if someone hadn't come in and said 1774 01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,840 Speaker 2: he didn't want to tour anyone. You know, that was 1775 01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,280 Speaker 2: our job. We toured every year. That was what we 1776 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:37,880 Speaker 2: did for a living. We went out in the summer, 1777 01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,519 Speaker 2: and so that was just what we were doing. And 1778 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,800 Speaker 2: until you know, one of the band members said didn't 1779 01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,400 Speaker 2: want to do that anymore, that's what we want to done, 1780 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:51,360 Speaker 2: we'd probably still be doing it that way. 1781 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,639 Speaker 1: Okay, you have this great success in the country world, 1782 01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,360 Speaker 1: how do you decide to work with Hoodie again? 1783 01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:04,200 Speaker 2: We had we had not played in ten years. In 1784 01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,519 Speaker 2: nineteen we hadn't played in ten years. And to be 1785 01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,599 Speaker 2: honest with you, when they came to me with it, 1786 01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,040 Speaker 2: I wasn't enthusiastic about it. I wasn't because I remember 1787 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,680 Speaker 2: the end and when we stopped playing, you know, we 1788 01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,160 Speaker 2: would still play the fourteen thousands either, but there'd only 1789 01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,240 Speaker 2: be nine thousand people there, you know. And when you 1790 01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:26,560 Speaker 2: look out there and there's five thousand depty seats, that sucks. 1791 01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,000 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there's nine thousand people there, but yeah, 1792 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,320 Speaker 2: there's five thousand depty seats the place that we used 1793 01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,559 Speaker 2: to sell out. And so that was such. So I 1794 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,280 Speaker 2: said in the meeting that I didn't want to I 1795 01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,200 Speaker 2: didn't want to play if it wasn't gonna be huge. 1796 01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,479 Speaker 2: That was my exact words, this is not gonna be huge. 1797 01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to do it. I don't want to 1798 01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:44,640 Speaker 2: do what I don't want to go back and do 1799 01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,960 Speaker 2: what we were doing before we decided to do that, 1800 01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:51,960 Speaker 2: before we broke, before we stopped playing, and everybody in 1801 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,760 Speaker 2: that meeting was like, what's gonna be big. It's gonna 1802 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:59,559 Speaker 2: be big. And then the day after that meeting, I 1803 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,960 Speaker 2: was playing somewhere, uh and I flew into the place 1804 01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,160 Speaker 2: and I'm walking back to my dressing room and Rob Light, 1805 01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,360 Speaker 2: who is the CEO. 1806 01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:13,880 Speaker 3: Of of c A, a head of music at the 1807 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,320 Speaker 3: top yeah, see he still lives. 1808 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,240 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he got promoted whatever it. Then let's talk 1809 01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:20,080 Speaker 1: get into the details. 1810 01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,000 Speaker 2: He runs the show. He's one of the one of 1811 01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,519 Speaker 2: the guys who started CIA exactly. And uh, I'm walking 1812 01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,360 Speaker 2: to my I'm walking into my addressing room. Mate Rob's 1813 01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,120 Speaker 2: standing there, and I know Robin our friends, we beg friends, 1814 01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,160 Speaker 2: We've been there. You know golf, we have that golf 1815 01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,960 Speaker 2: thing that we'd love to do together. And he's standing there. 1816 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,320 Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, you came. I was like, 1817 01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,840 Speaker 2: what are you doing here? Let's go alone to talk 1818 01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,519 Speaker 2: to you. And we went to the He had been 1819 01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,000 Speaker 2: dispatched to tell me this thing is going to be 1820 01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,760 Speaker 2: fucking huge, and they were right. 1821 01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,720 Speaker 3: That King was huge. Billboard Magazine toward the year it 1822 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:52,320 Speaker 3: was huge. 1823 01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,080 Speaker 1: Why do you think it was huge? 1824 01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,160 Speaker 2: People missed it, People missed us playing and it had 1825 01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,439 Speaker 2: been ten years since who they had been out And 1826 01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,599 Speaker 2: there was a lot of people when we stopped playing 1827 01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,720 Speaker 2: that came to see us every year. You know, we 1828 01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,280 Speaker 2: see a lot of the safe faces every year, and 1829 01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:12,320 Speaker 2: it was ten years without that, and the nostalgia, God, 1830 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,640 Speaker 2: I want to experience that again kicked in and it 1831 01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:16,240 Speaker 2: was huge. 1832 01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:22,719 Speaker 1: So going forward, how much, shooty, how much. 1833 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:27,439 Speaker 2: Solo from this point on? Yeah, this is probably my 1834 01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:28,920 Speaker 2: last thuty who blow for your store? I don't know 1835 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,479 Speaker 2: if I'm going to do this again, so you know, 1836 01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,720 Speaker 2: just pretty much solo. I mean, you know, this has 1837 01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,360 Speaker 2: been such a great run and it's been fun. But 1838 01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:42,080 Speaker 2: you know, I'm almost sixty. I don't even know how 1839 01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,400 Speaker 2: much long I don't want to play, you know, so 1840 01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,880 Speaker 2: like I want to do I want to do country 1841 01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,080 Speaker 2: music for a while, for a long while. 1842 01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,559 Speaker 1: And how many gigs a year have you been doing 1843 01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:53,679 Speaker 1: over the last ten years? 1844 01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,040 Speaker 2: Fluctuations between saba D and one hundred and twenty? It 1845 01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:58,519 Speaker 2: could get you know, go like I think, who he's 1846 01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,680 Speaker 2: playing fifty or sixty? They shit here, so you know it, 1847 01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,519 Speaker 2: it fluctuates. 1848 01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:08,240 Speaker 1: Okay, So what point in the hoodie career did you 1849 01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:09,960 Speaker 1: say I want to make a country record. 1850 01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,600 Speaker 2: I would saying that since the late eighties, you know, 1851 01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,000 Speaker 2: since whody really started. You know, there was actually a 1852 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:18,000 Speaker 2: moment when things kind of died down where I tried 1853 01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:19,840 Speaker 2: to talk to guys into making the country records, like 1854 01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,800 Speaker 2: let's just go and consciously make a country record, and 1855 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,200 Speaker 2: nobody wanted to do it, you know, Okay, we'll just 1856 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:26,080 Speaker 2: keep doing what we're doing. 1857 01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:32,080 Speaker 1: Okay, just in this interim between you start your country 1858 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,520 Speaker 1: career and you reunite with Hoodie, what is your relationship 1859 01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:36,759 Speaker 1: with the other three members. 1860 01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:38,760 Speaker 3: Oh, we're brothers. 1861 01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,360 Speaker 2: You know. When we see each other, it's great, you know. 1862 01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,200 Speaker 2: But when you stop playing, and as much as we 1863 01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,599 Speaker 2: were playing, you stop really hanging out a lot. You know, 1864 01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,400 Speaker 2: you call each other and play around the golf, you know, 1865 01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,599 Speaker 2: call each other and go have a beer or a beat. 1866 01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,280 Speaker 2: But but it wasn't like we were seeing each other 1867 01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,360 Speaker 2: every day, you know. But we were still in touch 1868 01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,440 Speaker 2: all the time. We were friends, like we're like brothers. 1869 01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:05,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So you tell Doc you want to make a 1870 01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:10,120 Speaker 1: country record, and Doc says. 1871 01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:11,400 Speaker 3: He really just said okay. 1872 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,840 Speaker 2: And I mean I made it clear to him that 1873 01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,080 Speaker 2: I wasn't looking for a record deal because I didn't 1874 01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:18,880 Speaker 2: think I could get a record deal the country music 1875 01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:22,599 Speaker 2: you know, the pop black guy cutting over the country music. 1876 01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:23,080 Speaker 3: What label? 1877 01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:24,320 Speaker 2: And I told him, if you're gonna get me a 1878 01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:25,720 Speaker 2: record with, if you're gonna get me a label with 1879 01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,160 Speaker 2: Joe Schmow Records or some indie label, I'd rather do 1880 01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,040 Speaker 2: it myself. I'd rather just get my buddies and go 1881 01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,479 Speaker 2: do it myself and just make it for me, you know. 1882 01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,280 Speaker 2: But you know Doc doesn't do things that way. You know, 1883 01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,240 Speaker 2: he does things like we said, you want to do 1884 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,760 Speaker 2: it in the theater, and he does at the stadium. 1885 01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:45,920 Speaker 2: And a couple of weeks later he had been a 1886 01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,400 Speaker 2: record deal with Capitol Records. 1887 01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,400 Speaker 1: And what was the experience of cutting the record? 1888 01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,839 Speaker 3: Awesome? Right it and cutting was awesome. It was awesome, 1889 01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:55,080 Speaker 3: you know. 1890 01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,920 Speaker 2: Frank Rogers, my producer, was wonderful, you know, playing Brad 1891 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,400 Speaker 2: Hazy coming and singing all playing a single was awesome. 1892 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,960 Speaker 2: Vince Gill coming in. You know, it was awesome to 1893 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,400 Speaker 2: be a Nashville making that record, making a country a 1894 01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,680 Speaker 2: real country record. That was the one thing that that 1895 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,240 Speaker 2: me and Frank really wanted to do. We wanted to 1896 01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,639 Speaker 2: make a country record and we did and it was 1897 01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,760 Speaker 2: one of my favorite experiences making the recorder. 1898 01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,519 Speaker 1: Okay, the record is done. Do you think you're going 1899 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:24,920 Speaker 1: to have a hit on the chart? 1900 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,720 Speaker 3: No, I did not think that. 1901 01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,680 Speaker 2: I it was another one of the situations where I 1902 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,400 Speaker 2: was hoping they would let me make a number one. 1903 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,479 Speaker 3: I hope it did well enough that I could make 1904 01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,800 Speaker 3: a number one, because. 1905 01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,720 Speaker 2: You know, the rock pop guy coming over is so 1906 01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,200 Speaker 2: proud upon a Nashville. 1907 01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:44,840 Speaker 3: I'm so proud upon him. 1908 01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,880 Speaker 2: But more than that, I hadn't seen anybody that looked 1909 01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,559 Speaker 2: like be on the charts for twenty five years. You know, 1910 01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,720 Speaker 2: Charlie had been twenty five years since Charlie probably had 1911 01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,160 Speaker 2: his last hit. And there hadn't been anybody that had 1912 01:29:55,200 --> 01:30:00,120 Speaker 2: a top forty hit since, you know, And you know, 1913 01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,519 Speaker 2: talking to some folks and being told that they just 1914 01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,720 Speaker 2: never thought their audience would accept the black country sing. 1915 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,400 Speaker 3: You know, so I don't know what I I don't know. 1916 01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,880 Speaker 2: If I didn't expect, I thought I might have a 1917 01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,400 Speaker 2: minor hit, you know, something that maybe cracks in top 1918 01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:20,400 Speaker 2: Floridian makes a little noise. But you know, once again, 1919 01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:25,800 Speaker 2: you know, Mike Doung in the Capitol said to me 1920 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,080 Speaker 2: when he when he signed, when he went, I was 1921 01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,519 Speaker 2: the first meeting. Now I sided with him that if 1922 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,680 Speaker 2: I gave him, if I gave him the record, he 1923 01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:36,200 Speaker 2: would give me a shot. And he worked and they 1924 01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,840 Speaker 2: worked their button butts off. They worked their butts off well. 1925 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,639 Speaker 1: In the book you talk about how you worked your 1926 01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:42,519 Speaker 1: buttle I did. 1927 01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,400 Speaker 2: But you know that's of course I didn't. It's my record. 1928 01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,479 Speaker 2: If if I'm not gonna work it, why should anybody else? 1929 01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,800 Speaker 2: So what did you do for that first record? I 1930 01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,320 Speaker 2: went to one hundred and ten radio stations, No five 1931 01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,200 Speaker 2: days a week, going to two or three radio stations 1932 01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,639 Speaker 2: a day, five days a week. Went to one hundred 1933 01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:03,200 Speaker 2: and ten of those days, and it worked. 1934 01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:04,160 Speaker 3: You know. 1935 01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:08,720 Speaker 1: Okay, let's once again go a little more granular. You 1936 01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:13,880 Speaker 1: go in, you're selling. Okay, what is your pitch? How 1937 01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:15,720 Speaker 1: do you convince people? How do you get them on 1938 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:16,400 Speaker 1: your team? 1939 01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:20,280 Speaker 3: Oh? My pitch was simple, you know for me. 1940 01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,640 Speaker 2: You know, you know Jimmy Harden who went with me 1941 01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:27,160 Speaker 2: a lot, and uh, you know, the label was really 1942 01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:28,759 Speaker 2: trying to get it. But when I talked to people, 1943 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,439 Speaker 2: I said the same thing. You know, if you like 1944 01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:36,920 Speaker 2: the record, play it. If you don't, I understand. I wasn't. 1945 01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,280 Speaker 2: I wasn't in their bagging. I wasn't there going I'm 1946 01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,280 Speaker 2: Darius Rucker, who your blowfishes to play on record? You know, 1947 01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,880 Speaker 2: it wasn't anything like that. I was just, you know, 1948 01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,479 Speaker 2: glad to be in the room for a second, you know, 1949 01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:48,479 Speaker 2: and if you like it, play it. 1950 01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:49,360 Speaker 3: If not, I understand. 1951 01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,599 Speaker 1: But there was more than that. To what degree did 1952 01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,519 Speaker 1: you work your charm to try to make them feel 1953 01:31:56,520 --> 01:32:00,160 Speaker 1: good about you personally such that that would help to 1954 01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:04,040 Speaker 1: play the record. I didn't. That wasn't. 1955 01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,160 Speaker 2: I just went in and that was me. I really 1956 01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:11,040 Speaker 2: was never in there trying to overly charm anybody or 1957 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,120 Speaker 2: make anybody. It was just go in there and be 1958 01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,360 Speaker 2: yourself and be a nice guy that you are and 1959 01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,880 Speaker 2: talk to people. You know a lot of people like 1960 01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,000 Speaker 2: the Probably the only reason I got into a lot 1961 01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:25,800 Speaker 2: of those buildings is because of who need a bothish, 1962 01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,080 Speaker 2: you know, and so just go in and play the 1963 01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,280 Speaker 2: song that if they want you to sit in the 1964 01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,000 Speaker 2: conference room and play some songs for you know, play 1965 01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:36,880 Speaker 2: some songs for for the for the employees, you know, 1966 01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,880 Speaker 2: if you're lucky enough play play the song acoustically on 1967 01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,600 Speaker 2: the radio. You know, just just go in and be 1968 01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,719 Speaker 2: you and they like you, they'll play it. If they don't, they't. 1969 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,320 Speaker 1: And to what degree of you maintained relationships with the 1970 01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:53,120 Speaker 1: people of radio. 1971 01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:58,240 Speaker 2: Oh, I so many guys like probably to do guys 1972 01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:00,960 Speaker 2: that uh that told me didn't think their audience would 1973 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,320 Speaker 2: play you know, we'll accept a black sat or my 1974 01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:08,080 Speaker 2: best buddies, you know, And I'm still for I see 1975 01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,960 Speaker 2: folks all the time and friends with them, and you know, 1976 01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,160 Speaker 2: they they're they're you know, I think a lot of 1977 01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:18,800 Speaker 2: people are thankful, relieved and happy that that that there's 1978 01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:23,120 Speaker 2: you know, there's now radio start. You know, there's you 1979 01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,040 Speaker 2: get to see so many app more African Americans came 1980 01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:26,920 Speaker 2: brown and other guys having hits and stuff like that, 1981 01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,360 Speaker 2: and and it's just people are like, this is cool. 1982 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,280 Speaker 3: You know, this is good for cuntry, this is good 1983 01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:31,960 Speaker 3: for everybody. 1984 01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,240 Speaker 1: What's the difference between being on Atlantic, a rock and 1985 01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,960 Speaker 1: roll label, and Capital and national and country label. 1986 01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:44,200 Speaker 2: Capitol in Nashville really cares about me and will work 1987 01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,080 Speaker 2: their butt off and do anything for me. 1988 01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:52,320 Speaker 3: And let the just use us. That's the difference. They 1989 01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,320 Speaker 3: just used us. 1990 01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,000 Speaker 1: And how often will you interact with the people at 1991 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:02,479 Speaker 1: Capital all the time all the time? 1992 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,559 Speaker 2: You know, you know, City Babe, the new president, we're ted. 1993 01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,160 Speaker 2: We text all the time with friends of all the time. 1994 01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,760 Speaker 2: All the people who work up there. We were friends. 1995 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:17,680 Speaker 1: And the world has changed and country music fans do stream. 1996 01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:22,960 Speaker 1: So to what degree have you fostered relationships with Spotify, Apple, Amazon? 1997 01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:25,880 Speaker 2: I've got friends in all those places you know, you 1998 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:27,479 Speaker 2: meet because you have to meet those fives. You've got 1999 01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,000 Speaker 2: to go in their offices and hang out and do 2000 01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:33,599 Speaker 2: all that. And you know, streaming is is so important. 2001 01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,439 Speaker 2: It's the new way that kids are getting music. And 2002 01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:40,120 Speaker 2: not even kids now, everybody's getting music. And so the 2003 01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,960 Speaker 2: cloth red relationships. And you know, I'm sure when they 2004 01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,840 Speaker 2: can help you, they can, they do, and they don't, 2005 01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,120 Speaker 2: you know they don't. 2006 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:54,640 Speaker 1: And to what degree are you Internet addicted TikTok, Instagram, 2007 01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:57,040 Speaker 1: Spotify or are you old school? 2008 01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:59,479 Speaker 2: I'm kind of old school, but you know, I'll look 2009 01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,280 Speaker 2: at Instagram, I'll look at you know X, that's that's 2010 01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,400 Speaker 2: you know, those of those Some of those places are 2011 01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:07,439 Speaker 2: where I get my news. So yeah, you're going to 2012 01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,840 Speaker 2: read it. But uh, you know, I'm not big on 2013 01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:11,519 Speaker 2: going on. 2014 01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:11,960 Speaker 3: I don't think. 2015 01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,040 Speaker 2: I think I've been on TikTok three times in my life, 2016 01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:18,320 Speaker 2: you know, and I'm simple, I'm animals. 2017 01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:24,439 Speaker 1: Okay, So the record goes to number one? Does that 2018 01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:25,240 Speaker 1: blow your mind? 2019 01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:25,800 Speaker 3: Yes? 2020 01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,720 Speaker 2: Yes, it brought tears to my eyes. I couldn't believe that. 2021 01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,800 Speaker 2: Uh that don't think. I don't think about that when 2022 01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,559 Speaker 2: number one it was the number one song country music. 2023 01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:38,640 Speaker 3: It was. It was amazing. 2024 01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,320 Speaker 1: And at what point do you feel you were embraced 2025 01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:44,679 Speaker 1: by the Nashville community. 2026 01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,000 Speaker 2: I think when I was asked to join the Opry, 2027 01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:49,720 Speaker 2: it was the first time I really felt like I 2028 01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,719 Speaker 2: was part of Nashville, that was part of country music. 2029 01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:56,080 Speaker 3: I got invited to join the Opry and that was 2030 01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:56,880 Speaker 3: just a great moment. 2031 01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:58,559 Speaker 1: Tell us about that. 2032 01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,800 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, when I came to Nashville, I stided 2033 01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:03,400 Speaker 2: told Doc I wanted to play the Opery as much 2034 01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:03,880 Speaker 2: as I could. 2035 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,360 Speaker 3: I wanted to play as much as they would let me, 2036 01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:07,080 Speaker 3: and I did. 2037 01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:11,000 Speaker 2: And uh, you know, one day I was playing, and 2038 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,439 Speaker 2: you know, Brad Paisey stood up in the audience and 2039 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,280 Speaker 2: asked me if I wanted to be the news member 2040 01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:19,439 Speaker 2: of the Country I love the Grandal Opery, and I 2041 01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:22,760 Speaker 2: didn't believe it. I thought he was pranking me, you know, 2042 01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:27,000 Speaker 2: And it was just that moment where, you know, really 2043 01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:29,880 Speaker 2: that moment I really thought to myself, Wow, I made it. 2044 01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:31,840 Speaker 3: You know, I'm in. 2045 01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:38,719 Speaker 1: And the first album runs its course. How much pressure 2046 01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:40,640 Speaker 1: do you feel for the second album? Uh? 2047 01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,920 Speaker 2: None, none, you know, because I had the team in 2048 01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,160 Speaker 2: place and I knew that capital was going to be there. 2049 01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,360 Speaker 2: They weren't going to abandon me. I knew all I 2050 01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,439 Speaker 2: had to do was make give given themselves, you know, 2051 01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,840 Speaker 2: And so we started working on that, and you know, 2052 01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:56,960 Speaker 2: it felt good to know that my label wasn't going 2053 01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,000 Speaker 2: to abandon me. They were in, we were going to 2054 01:36:59,080 --> 01:36:59,880 Speaker 2: do this. Let's do this. 2055 01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:03,720 Speaker 1: And to what degree did your experience with HOODI in 2056 01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,559 Speaker 1: Atlanta inform your choices? 2057 01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,800 Speaker 3: Uh? I? 2058 01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:12,880 Speaker 2: Also I didn't think about I didn't think much about 2059 01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,519 Speaker 2: that when we were doing the country stuff because I 2060 01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,400 Speaker 2: felt like I was in such a different situation. You know, 2061 01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:23,640 Speaker 2: there was nobody. The guy who saw me was the 2062 01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:27,519 Speaker 2: president of the latter so I was in good hands. 2063 01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:30,200 Speaker 2: He was gonna he told me, you do, I will 2064 01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:31,720 Speaker 2: give you a shot. He gave me a shot, and 2065 01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,640 Speaker 2: I knew if I gave him another record, I was 2066 01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:36,639 Speaker 2: gonna get another shot. And so I didn't even think 2067 01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,000 Speaker 2: about the past. I was thinking about, you know, what 2068 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:39,800 Speaker 2: are we gonna do now? 2069 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:44,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So Hoodie breaks. MTV is still a thing, The 2070 01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,880 Speaker 1: Internet is not a thing. Songs are bigger than they 2071 01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:53,360 Speaker 1: ever are today. You then have success into the twenty 2072 01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:58,040 Speaker 1: first century in country music when irrelevant of the record, 2073 01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:02,360 Speaker 1: the landscape is different. Do you find that people know 2074 01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:05,679 Speaker 1: your country music as well as your hoodie music? 2075 01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:06,360 Speaker 3: Oh? 2076 01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:10,519 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely when we see it doing the hoodie shows. 2077 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,400 Speaker 2: Right now, we play wagon wild all right, he plays 2078 01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:18,400 Speaker 2: the rupts. You know, it's this this, It's so funny. 2079 01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,320 Speaker 2: There's people in the world that don't even know that 2080 01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:25,320 Speaker 2: I was a singarete who like it was probably goodness. 2081 01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:29,920 Speaker 2: It was not even a year ago. And this guy 2082 01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:33,080 Speaker 2: comes into my DMS and he asked me why I 2083 01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:36,840 Speaker 2: played somebody covers at my show And I said to him, man, 2084 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,880 Speaker 2: I only played like two covers, maybe three. 2085 01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:40,479 Speaker 3: What you talk about? 2086 01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,920 Speaker 2: He said, well, you played all those hoodis must be 2087 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,400 Speaker 2: a big he said, you must be a big fan 2088 01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:48,439 Speaker 2: of Like, dude, I'm the Bofish And he was like, 2089 01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:53,360 Speaker 2: no way, go believes it. And I mean and a 2090 01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:56,280 Speaker 2: lot of the younger kids are shots when they don't 2091 01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,960 Speaker 2: know that I'm that I'm the lead singer for the Bothfish, 2092 01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,200 Speaker 2: that all they know is that I'm Darius Country. 2093 01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:10,879 Speaker 1: Say okay, and you're in the mailstream. You're an African 2094 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:15,000 Speaker 1: American and a traditionally white medium. The main story in 2095 01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:19,680 Speaker 1: our world today is politics, red versus blue. What do 2096 01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:25,639 Speaker 1: you see, and is it possible to bring the country together, you. 2097 01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:27,679 Speaker 2: Know, I hope it's possible to really cut together, because 2098 01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,879 Speaker 2: I think we're always we're always the best when where united, 2099 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:32,920 Speaker 2: you know, like after nine to eleven, even though it 2100 01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:37,000 Speaker 2: was a brief time that that was great for the catch, 2101 01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,519 Speaker 2: how much we were all together. You know, everything right 2102 01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:46,400 Speaker 2: now so divisive. Everything's so divisive, and the politicians and 2103 01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:48,720 Speaker 2: the media seems to want to keep us that way 2104 01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:51,040 Speaker 2: because that way they all make more money, and they 2105 01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:56,360 Speaker 2: all you know, but uh, you know, I just wish 2106 01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,000 Speaker 2: people would realize at the end of the day, we're 2107 01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:03,599 Speaker 2: all just Americans, man, you know, and and we should 2108 01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,160 Speaker 2: we should be able to come together on some important stuff. 2109 01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:07,760 Speaker 2: But it just doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. 2110 01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:14,360 Speaker 1: And because of the divided nation and being a prominent 2111 01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:18,120 Speaker 1: in country music, we have the bud Light situation, we 2112 01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:22,000 Speaker 1: have all the we have all these black and white 2113 01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,479 Speaker 1: not in terms of race, but some of them are issues. 2114 01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:28,600 Speaker 1: Does that make you reluctant to stand up or to 2115 01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:30,880 Speaker 1: make certain decisions to work with different people. 2116 01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,439 Speaker 3: I'll work with anybody that doesn't. 2117 01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:37,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to not be friends with 2118 01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,320 Speaker 2: somebody or not work with somebody because they're politics. 2119 01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:45,200 Speaker 1: Let me say different. Okay, Elon Musk, who has come 2120 01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:48,720 Speaker 1: out in support of Trump. If Elon he doesn't do advertising, 2121 01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,640 Speaker 1: but let's say he got a hold of you and 2122 01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:54,679 Speaker 1: wanted to tie you up with Tesla, you would say okay, 2123 01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:56,959 Speaker 1: or you would say wait, this is a dangerous subject. 2124 01:40:57,360 --> 01:40:58,799 Speaker 3: I would say it's a dangerous subject. 2125 01:40:58,920 --> 01:40:59,120 Speaker 2: You know. 2126 01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:02,040 Speaker 3: I stay out of politics, man. I believe what I believe. 2127 01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:03,639 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do what I want to do. 2128 01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,320 Speaker 2: And the sad part about politics for me right now 2129 01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,600 Speaker 2: is there was a time in American history where it 2130 01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:13,600 Speaker 2: was okay to say, I'm not gonna be friends with 2131 01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,320 Speaker 2: that guy because he's white. Well, I'm not gonna be 2132 01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:17,200 Speaker 2: friends with that guy because he's black. Well I'm not 2133 01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,160 Speaker 2: gonna be friends with her because he's a woman. I'm 2134 01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,880 Speaker 2: not gonna be friends with those And now it's like, 2135 01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,879 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be friends with this person because they're conservaible. 2136 01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:25,719 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be friends with this person because they're liberal. 2137 01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:29,160 Speaker 2: You know, for me, that's just bullshit. So I stay 2138 01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,360 Speaker 2: out of it. I stay out of it. Don't even 2139 01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:34,400 Speaker 2: want to talk about it. You know, it is I 2140 01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:38,200 Speaker 2: believe what I believe? You know, I hope the country 2141 01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:40,200 Speaker 2: can find a way to come together. But you know 2142 01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:41,360 Speaker 2: it's just so divisive. 2143 01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:45,879 Speaker 1: So you would not endorse political candidate? 2144 01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:47,880 Speaker 2: Uh? 2145 01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:49,599 Speaker 3: I will? 2146 01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:51,280 Speaker 2: I would say, I would say I would, though I 2147 01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:56,840 Speaker 2: never will. But it's like, you know, I'm not I'm 2148 01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:00,960 Speaker 2: not How do you say this? I am not eatistical 2149 01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:07,639 Speaker 2: enough or or narcissistic enough to think that I should 2150 01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:12,120 Speaker 2: be telling people how to vote. Everybody's got their own vote. 2151 01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,320 Speaker 2: There's enough stuff out there for you to decide how 2152 01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:17,559 Speaker 2: you want to vote. Why should I tell you? That's 2153 01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:18,439 Speaker 2: not something I've ever. 2154 01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:22,280 Speaker 3: Wanted to do. Do you vote every here? 2155 01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:28,960 Speaker 1: Okay? You live in Nashville. Now, what's the difference between 2156 01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,520 Speaker 1: Nashville and South Carolina? 2157 01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:35,200 Speaker 3: Nothing? There both very red states. 2158 01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:42,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So you ever take commercial transportation or only private? 2159 01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:44,920 Speaker 3: I fly, yeah, fly plays all. I fly a commercial 2160 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:45,400 Speaker 3: a long time. 2161 01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:51,360 Speaker 1: Okay, you fly commercial? To what degree? Is do people 2162 01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:51,960 Speaker 1: know who you. 2163 01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:55,599 Speaker 3: Are all the time all the time? 2164 01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,760 Speaker 1: And is that a good thing or a bad thing? 2165 01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,479 Speaker 3: It's a good thing. It's going to suck when people don't. 2166 01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,920 Speaker 2: You know. The byproduct of success in my business is 2167 01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:10,200 Speaker 2: that so that means I don't have a success. 2168 01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:16,719 Speaker 1: And as a result of your fame, you've met incredible people. 2169 01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:18,920 Speaker 1: Who have you met that? Who have you not met 2170 01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:19,719 Speaker 1: that you want to meet? 2171 01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,080 Speaker 2: Oh goodness, who if I've not met that? 2172 01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:28,719 Speaker 3: I want to be. Uh, that's a great question. 2173 01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:32,120 Speaker 2: Oh good Every time I think it's not when I go, 2174 01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:36,280 Speaker 2: I think I met him. You know, the day I've 2175 01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:39,320 Speaker 2: met Paul McCartney was the day that everybody else can 2176 01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,200 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. But the day I've bet alt greed, 2177 01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,360 Speaker 2: you know, the times I've got to hang out without greeding. 2178 01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:47,680 Speaker 2: You know, No, you know, I guess right now. If 2179 01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:51,240 Speaker 2: I had to think of one person I want to bet, 2180 01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:53,040 Speaker 2: I want to be Keith Richards and a Vic Tacker. 2181 01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:56,559 Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love to beat the guys with the stoves. 2182 01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,760 Speaker 2: How'd you meet Paul McCartney? Tell me about that he 2183 01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:02,719 Speaker 2: was having a show and I was taking my kids 2184 01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,920 Speaker 2: to Tampa to see the show, and uh, you know, 2185 01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,519 Speaker 2: we're I think we're under the same management group, Maverick. 2186 01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:10,760 Speaker 2: And I called Clarence and I said, Clarence, if you 2187 01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:13,360 Speaker 2: never do anything for me ever again, I'll be okay, 2188 01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:15,200 Speaker 2: But you have to get me to meet Paul McCartney 2189 01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:18,000 Speaker 2: and he did and I cried, yes when he walked away, 2190 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:18,640 Speaker 2: I cried. 2191 01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,919 Speaker 1: So a little bit slower because I've met Paul McCartney 2192 01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:27,120 Speaker 1: a few times. You know, meeting a celebrity, especially in 2193 01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:30,680 Speaker 1: a live performance thing is a very unique thing. How 2194 01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,519 Speaker 1: did it literally happen? And what was literally said? 2195 01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:38,559 Speaker 2: Well, he doesn't do a great and so uh we were. 2196 01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,800 Speaker 2: They took us backstage and he was about he was 2197 01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,040 Speaker 2: when he what he done with this interaction was done. 2198 01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:47,679 Speaker 2: He walked straight to the stage and he comes out 2199 01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,960 Speaker 2: and he knew who I was with shock me, and 2200 01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:52,880 Speaker 2: you know, we had a conversation. I told him I 2201 01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:54,760 Speaker 2: wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for him, and 2202 01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:55,680 Speaker 2: he was not important to me. 2203 01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:57,320 Speaker 3: And we had. 2204 01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:59,200 Speaker 2: A great conversation and took a picture and he had 2205 01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:02,719 Speaker 2: on the sergeant upper jacket that maybe lose my mind, 2206 01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:04,280 Speaker 2: and it was. 2207 01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,800 Speaker 3: Just it was a beautiful thing. 2208 01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:11,519 Speaker 2: It was like he was They tell you not to 2209 01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:15,040 Speaker 2: meet your idols, but it meeting him was damn, We're 2210 01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:15,400 Speaker 2: worth it. 2211 01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:17,679 Speaker 3: He was. He was a gentleman. He was a great guy. 2212 01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:21,560 Speaker 1: And did he say anything of dope, Oh, you know, 2213 01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:22,400 Speaker 1: he was about to go in. 2214 01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:24,840 Speaker 2: So it wasn't like we had a deep conversation, right, 2215 01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:26,639 Speaker 2: you know, he was like, just keep playing music. 2216 01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:28,080 Speaker 3: He was like, you know, I've heard some of your songs. 2217 01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:30,640 Speaker 3: I love him. I like what you do? You know, 2218 01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:32,560 Speaker 3: keep doing it. It was great. 2219 01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,519 Speaker 2: And what about Al Greed? Oh it was great for me. 2220 01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,479 Speaker 2: I met Al a couple of times. And the second 2221 01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:40,960 Speaker 2: time I met out, I was doing this Al Greed 2222 01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,599 Speaker 2: tribute and he was there and we were backsaced talking 2223 01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:45,439 Speaker 2: and I had covered one of his songs about R 2224 01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:47,840 Speaker 2: and B record and he told me he really liked 2225 01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:49,559 Speaker 2: my version, and that was pretty awesome. 2226 01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:56,400 Speaker 1: Okay, you have this autobiography. People said, I mean, there's 2227 01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:58,479 Speaker 1: not a week goes by that I don't get one 2228 01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:03,080 Speaker 1: of these books. And interestingly, Alan Eisenstock, who was your 2229 01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:05,880 Speaker 1: co writer, he's a personal friend, so that was kind 2230 01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:10,320 Speaker 1: of interesting. But what made you write this book? Now? 2231 01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,679 Speaker 2: I was first, you know, I've been asked to write, 2232 01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:18,120 Speaker 2: you know, a memoir for for so long and I 2233 01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:20,920 Speaker 2: kept staying no, no, and no, and you know, they, 2234 01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:24,400 Speaker 2: to be honest with me, they came. They came like 2235 01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:26,599 Speaker 2: big dogs to get me to write it this time, 2236 01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,320 Speaker 2: you know, and I Ala said I wouldn't write it 2237 01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:33,400 Speaker 2: till my kids were old enough. We're adults, so they could, 2238 01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:36,680 Speaker 2: you know, deal with be telling the truth because I 2239 01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:38,519 Speaker 2: was going to tell the truth and they were adults 2240 01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:42,640 Speaker 2: and it was just okay. And actually, when Al and 2241 01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:46,040 Speaker 2: I started writing it, it was it was so therapeutic. 2242 01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:49,000 Speaker 3: It was it was it was I'm so glad I 2243 01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:49,360 Speaker 3: did it. 2244 01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:54,160 Speaker 1: And the funny thing about the book is I actually 2245 01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:56,240 Speaker 1: got hooked on the book about a quarter the way 2246 01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:57,840 Speaker 1: through and sat in the chair and finished it. The 2247 01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:01,640 Speaker 1: book is really a good read. What is your experience 2248 01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:03,200 Speaker 1: been since the book has come out? 2249 01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:05,400 Speaker 3: It's amazing. You know. 2250 01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:08,799 Speaker 2: Most people that have talked to me about it have said, 2251 01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:10,760 Speaker 2: you know, it feels like I'm sitting in a bar 2252 01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:13,479 Speaker 2: with you and me telling the story. And that's exactly 2253 01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:17,240 Speaker 2: what we wanted. We wanted to be like, you're sitting 2254 01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,680 Speaker 2: with a friend who's telling you the story in their lives, 2255 01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:22,200 Speaker 2: and you know, it's been amazing. I'm you know, I'm 2256 01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:25,840 Speaker 2: a New York Times bestselling author right now. Just saying that, 2257 01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:29,519 Speaker 2: you know, makes me want to giggle. You know, it 2258 01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:31,960 Speaker 2: was it was every interaction I've had to people who 2259 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:36,479 Speaker 2: read it, even my friends, especially my friends or they're like, 2260 01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:40,080 Speaker 2: you know, I learned stuff that I had no idea about. 2261 01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:44,240 Speaker 2: And you know, every every interaction I've had about my 2262 01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:46,519 Speaker 2: book has been positive, and it's been really awesome. 2263 01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:53,280 Speaker 1: So what is your everyday life like now? How book 2264 01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:55,519 Speaker 1: did or do you have any relaxation time where you 2265 01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:57,760 Speaker 1: just basically work at three hundred and sixty five days 2266 01:47:57,800 --> 01:47:58,320 Speaker 1: a year. 2267 01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,400 Speaker 2: I work a lot. I work a lot to the 2268 01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:02,400 Speaker 2: point where I was I was pitching at my manager 2269 01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:06,640 Speaker 2: today because I don't work a lot. But uh, you know, 2270 01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,679 Speaker 2: I've got a happy life. You know, I got three 2271 01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,680 Speaker 2: wonderful kids, are adults that I get to see when 2272 01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,400 Speaker 2: there when their lives are too busy. And I got 2273 01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:18,960 Speaker 2: a wonderful girlfriend who I probably spend the rest of 2274 01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:22,200 Speaker 2: my life with, you know. And you know I live 2275 01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:24,759 Speaker 2: in a great neighborhood Nashville. I got a great place 2276 01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:27,320 Speaker 2: at Charleston. I'm on the road when I want to 2277 01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:29,760 Speaker 2: be on the road. You know, I was good. 2278 01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:32,200 Speaker 3: I get to see my brothers and sisters all the time. 2279 01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:34,840 Speaker 3: I mean, life was just good. 2280 01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:38,759 Speaker 1: Now, you were married for a good chunk of time 2281 01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,760 Speaker 1: and then you got divorced. To what degree did the 2282 01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:46,720 Speaker 1: job you have contribute to the end of that relationship. 2283 01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:54,880 Speaker 2: I mean, especially the years we were together and where 2284 01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:59,519 Speaker 2: I was mentally. You know, I was you know, I 2285 01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:02,920 Speaker 2: was out there and I was partying and I was 2286 01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:08,639 Speaker 2: having a great time. And you know, totally, like I've 2287 01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:12,560 Speaker 2: said this before, that breakup was on me. 2288 01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:14,960 Speaker 3: It was all me. 2289 01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:22,439 Speaker 2: And you know, you know, through a lot of therapy 2290 01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:25,800 Speaker 2: and you know, a lot of soul searching and really 2291 01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:28,720 Speaker 2: a lot of giving up that lifestyle. You know, I've 2292 01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:30,880 Speaker 2: become a better person and I live a better life. 2293 01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,920 Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes things are just over. And so 2294 01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:37,320 Speaker 2: I would say my lifestyle and what I did for 2295 01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:39,720 Speaker 2: a living was one hundred percent reason for that. 2296 01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:42,920 Speaker 1: And what will be different with this new girlfriend. 2297 01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:48,120 Speaker 2: I'm not that guy anymore, you know, I really I'm 2298 01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,479 Speaker 2: a homebody now. I don't want to do you know, 2299 01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:53,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to do anything. So, you know, so 2300 01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:56,720 Speaker 2: I go work and I come home and don't play 2301 01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:59,639 Speaker 2: golf right you know, by but four minutes from where 2302 01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:02,600 Speaker 2: I live and I'm home. I don't want to go 2303 01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:04,639 Speaker 2: out drinking with you. Don't call me to go drinking 2304 01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:06,639 Speaker 2: because I'm not going to go. You know, you want 2305 01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:07,920 Speaker 2: to go to dinner. I go to sit and have 2306 01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,400 Speaker 2: dinner with even have a bottle of wine. But I'm 2307 01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:11,479 Speaker 2: going home and I don't want to go to the 2308 01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:15,120 Speaker 2: right door. I don't want to go. And like Louis, 2309 01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:19,400 Speaker 2: like I said, is your therapy? I've I've dealt with 2310 01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:22,360 Speaker 2: my devons and I'm still dealing with them and I've 2311 01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:23,639 Speaker 2: figured out a way to beat them. 2312 01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:25,599 Speaker 1: How did you decide to go to therapy? 2313 01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:29,679 Speaker 2: It was just, you know, I'd go into a couple 2314 01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,439 Speaker 2: of people, but then I found the right guy. And 2315 01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:34,720 Speaker 2: when you find the right person to talk to and 2316 01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:38,800 Speaker 2: talks back to you and gives you exercises of things 2317 01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:42,960 Speaker 2: to make you be a better person, you know, life 2318 01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:43,800 Speaker 2: gets a lot better. 2319 01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,240 Speaker 1: So what is one thing that your therapist told you 2320 01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:48,240 Speaker 1: that help was helpful? 2321 01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:52,720 Speaker 2: Goodness? It's a big things, you know. One thing that 2322 01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:56,680 Speaker 2: was huge for me was how he you know, to 2323 01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:00,439 Speaker 2: let let go on the guilt. You know, that was 2324 01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:03,920 Speaker 2: tough for me, you know the way I was raised 2325 01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:04,559 Speaker 2: and where I was. 2326 01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:04,960 Speaker 4: I mean. 2327 01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:07,960 Speaker 3: That was hard for me. But when I finally like 2328 01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:09,599 Speaker 3: go with the guilt, I became a better person. 2329 01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,960 Speaker 1: And since you're a homebody, what do you do at home? 2330 01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:15,880 Speaker 2: Like I said, I got a golf course four minutes 2331 01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:17,720 Speaker 2: from here that I play golf almost every day. 2332 01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:18,120 Speaker 3: I went home. 2333 01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:21,800 Speaker 2: I got two great dogs that are awesome. You know, 2334 01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:23,840 Speaker 2: I like to watch TV. I like to play video games. 2335 01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,519 Speaker 2: I like to jump in my pool. Yeah, I'm just 2336 01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:29,840 Speaker 2: you know, I've built a home that there's a lot 2337 01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:33,720 Speaker 2: of things I like to do, and so when I'm 2338 01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:35,200 Speaker 2: not on the road, they don't want to do. 2339 01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:35,719 Speaker 3: Much in an. 2340 01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:40,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Darius, thanks so much for taking this time and 2341 01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:42,639 Speaker 1: being so open and honest with my audience. I really 2342 01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:43,200 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 2343 01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,080 Speaker 3: I think it was a great talking teacher, very great. 2344 01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:49,320 Speaker 1: Talking Until next time. This is Bob left Sis