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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News.

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Speaker 2: F one could make a return to the African continent

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Speaker 2: for the first time in more than thirty years, with

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Speaker 2: the sport due to announce new host cities in the

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Speaker 2: coming weeks.

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Speaker 3: One more race we need, and that's going to be Africa,

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Speaker 3: you know, and all the other continents.

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Speaker 2: And one out there. Rwanda and Morocco are among those

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Speaker 2: believed to be vying for the license, but South Africa

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Speaker 2: has made no secret of its ambition to bring F

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Speaker 2: one back to the country.

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Speaker 4: Lewis Hamilton, you said you had a dream to race

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Speaker 4: in South Africa again. Understanding here to tell you we

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Speaker 4: will not rest until your dream comes to realization that

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Speaker 4: you will race again in South Africa.

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Speaker 2: On this week's Next Africa Podcast, we look at who's

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Speaker 2: bidding to bring back Formula one to Africa and investors

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Speaker 2: and governments are so desperate to become part of the

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Speaker 2: global phenomenon that is F one. I'm Jennifer's Abasaja and

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Speaker 2: this is the Next Africa Podcast, bringing you one story

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Speaker 2: each week from the continent driving the future of global

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Speaker 2: growth with the context only Bloomberg can provide. Joining us

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Speaker 2: this week is our Senior Africa reporter. That's Loney, Prince

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Speaker 2: Lou Loney, thanks so much for coming on.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So this is a fascinating story for I think people

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Speaker 2: who are fans of Formula one, but even those who

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Speaker 2: haven't been. But maybe we just start with the phenomenon

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Speaker 2: that has been Formula one over the past few years.

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Speaker 5: Can you talk about how big of a.

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Speaker 2: Business it is in twenty twenty five and what you

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Speaker 2: found in your reporting.

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Speaker 1: For NAT one went from a very niche type of

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Speaker 1: sports where it was like a few petrol heads, very European,

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Speaker 1: to what we are seeing today in twenty five.

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Speaker 3: As you ask, which is basically entertainment.

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Speaker 1: Strapagan, you are seeing people one hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 1: thousand people at a time attend these races. Revenue is

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Speaker 1: three point four billion dollars a year. You have one

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Speaker 1: point six billion people watching every race. Entertainment on the

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Speaker 1: side VIP lounges. You have these young drivers that have

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Speaker 1: a new fan base which is younger women.

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Speaker 5: Hi guys and girls.

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Speaker 3: It's a land alogue.

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Speaker 1: A few days ago we put on socials for you

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Speaker 1: to send us some questions today today that they answer

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Speaker 1: all of those questions, So it's not just sort of

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Speaker 1: like old guys watching the cause or small technicalities around

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Speaker 1: the cause. It's really become more of an entertainment show.

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Speaker 1: We've seen Badpa do, the New show if One. Netflix

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Speaker 1: it went from a motorizing, sort of niche event to

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Speaker 1: what we are seeing today, which is a big entertainment show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've really sort of capitalized on the fan base,

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Speaker 2: especially with some of the shows that you mentioned.

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Speaker 5: And when we think.

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Speaker 2: About the last time I was here in Africa nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety three, which is surprising and I think for many people,

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Speaker 2: but there's serious contenders who want to bring it back,

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Speaker 2: and that's really gets to.

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Speaker 5: The heart of your story. Can you talk about some

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Speaker 5: of the people who you met and what they told you.

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Speaker 1: There's quite a few characters around trying to bring back

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Speaker 1: Formula one to Africa. As you said, nineteen ninety three

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Speaker 1: but we have a track. We even had a world champion.

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Speaker 5: Point did not know that South African.

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Speaker 1: South African, Yes, but now really like forty years on,

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Speaker 1: so where are we now. We have two sort of

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Speaker 3: But there is that proposal.

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Speaker 1: And then there's a stadium outside of Cape Town that's

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Speaker 2: So all of these plans sound like they will require

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Speaker 2: to get things going. Clearly, people who pay attention to

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Speaker 2: you know, the coverage that we have. It's not a

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Speaker 5: So how would these funds be raised? Where would the

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Speaker 1: So talking to the different people around this, most of

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Speaker 1: The government, the South African government sports minister, he's really

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Speaker 1: He's been talking to sponsors trying to raise the money

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Speaker 1: for a licensing fee. It's anything from about twenty million

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Speaker 1: to the bidders. But there's lots to go with it,

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Speaker 1: including roach. You need public links, transport, most of the

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Speaker 5: So the government is supportive of this.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the minister said he would have failed in

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Speaker 2: That is the South African case that you just presented there.

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Speaker 5: Other bidders from the continent. We'll be right back. Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Today we're talking about hopes for Formula one to return

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Speaker 2: to the continent of Africa. We have our Bloomberg Senior

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Speaker 2: Africa reporter here, Loni Prince Lou who has just reported.

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Speaker 5: On this story for Bloomberg.

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Speaker 2: So LONEI we talked about the South African bids just

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Speaker 2: are trying to also bid for this license.

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Speaker 1: So there's been some talk about interest from Rocco. When

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Speaker 1: They are said to have some Middle Eastern backers for

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Speaker 1: what they would need to bring it, you know, your

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Speaker 3: Currently, the bits or eyed for twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: More realistically, it could be actually twenty twenty eight, just

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Speaker 1: because of the time it'll take to if you have

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Speaker 1: take that backwards is about two years.

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Speaker 2: So then learning maybe you can share what actually comes

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Speaker 5: What is it that the FIA. What is it that

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Speaker 2: Is it what you said, you know, an iconic backdrop

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Speaker 1: What goes into it is a bit of sort of

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of infrastructure that needs to come with us.

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Speaker 1: You need the track, you need one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: So the list is quite extensive. I think it's more

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Speaker 1: So it's a massive list of requirements that you need.

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Speaker 2: Sold is away I think that's what many many people

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Speaker 1: Realistically, it does look like it could potentially happen, But

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Speaker 3: There's talent that sounds a good chance.

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Speaker 3: You can make quite a serious proposal and get it

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Speaker 1: That's like twenty twenty seven eight, but yoll get it

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Speaker 3: It's a spectacular show.

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Speaker 1: It brings a lot of you know twitters to that

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Speaker 2: And that's our Bloomberg senior Africa reporter Lonely PRINCELYU there.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Lonie for joining us, and you can

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Speaker 2: read Loney's coverage right now across Bloomberg platforms. Here's some

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Speaker 2: of the other stories we're watching in the region this week.

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Speaker 2: African countries are concerned that the US may withdraw military

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Speaker 2: cooperation and aid, which has helped them fight against terrorists

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Speaker 2: the US Attorney's Office in the District of Utah unsealed

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Speaker 2: charges against four citizens accused of participating in a failed

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Speaker 2: The four men face charges of conspiring to provide material

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Speaker 2: support and resources, conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction,

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Speaker 2: conspiracy to bomb places of government facilities, and conspiracy to

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Speaker 2: the statement, and you can follow these stories across Bloomberg,

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Speaker 2: including the Next African Newsletter. Will put a link to

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Speaker 2: that in the show notes. This program was produced by

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Speaker 2: Adrian Bradley. Don't forget to follow and review this sh

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Speaker 2: Thanks as always for listening. We'll see you next week.