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Speaker 2: Loka La Olaola, Loka Motes. Welcome to season ten of

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Speaker 2: Loka Tora Radio. I'm Theosa and I'm Mala. Loka Tora

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Speaker 2: Radio is a podcast dedicated to archiving are present and

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Speaker 2: Ciento's Veinti Sace two twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Last time on Loca to Our Radio, we interviewed Latin

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Speaker 2: We're so excited to be in conversation today with each other.

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Speaker 2: We recently put out a survey to our listeners, and overwhelmingly,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for not being sick of us just yet.

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Speaker 1: And we're back with more of our episode. Today.

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Speaker 2: We're bringing back an older segment that we haven't really

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Speaker 1: We just haven't and I don't know. It's a little incendiary.

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Speaker 2: It is a little bit so if you're a longtime listener.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and so that was one of the reasons.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what they want. I mean, I feel like it

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Speaker 1: No, So what we're going to do today is for

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Speaker 1: So I wish I didn't know about this stuff, but

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yes, like families are involved.

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Speaker 1: Families are very much involved. So she has like a

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Speaker 2: That scares me because that means we're in a recession.

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Speaker 2: Like literally, if the white girls are beefing, they're fighting. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we are in a recession. Oh yeah, it's a telltale signs.

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Speaker 2: the things that mean we're in a recession, like lipstick

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Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, fascinating girls are beefing. We're in a recession.

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Speaker 1: The economy's about to tank.

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Speaker 2: Crap, that's that's bad that's what that means.

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Speaker 1: That's really bad news. So basically we're yeah, we're just

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Speaker 1: Clearly, there's clearly a science to it. I mean, eggs

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Speaker 2: this week? Tell me it felt very dystopian in some ways.

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Speaker 2: It felt very eerie of the pandemic, of the early

437
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Speaker 2: days of the pandemic. But I was at the gym.

438
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Speaker 2: So I go to the gym twice a week at

439
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Speaker 2: six am, and so I'm up early those days. And

440
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Speaker 2: my session went a little longer than usual, and it

441
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Speaker 2: went so long that I was like, well, I can

442
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Speaker 2: just kill time for thirty minutes and wait for the

443
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Speaker 2: Trader Joe's to open and go buy ag and clear amount.

444
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Speaker 2: And well it's only one limit you one dozen per person.

445
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Speaker 1: This is this is dystopian in and of itself.

446
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Speaker 2: Yes, And so I go to the Trader Joe's. I'm

447
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Speaker 2: parked by seven fifty. I'm just waiting. I start to

448
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Speaker 2: see people. So people are waiting for the trader doors

449
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Speaker 2: to open. They had the same idea I did. And

450
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Speaker 2: I've never I've never at the grocery store that early,

451
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Speaker 2: and so this is new to me. Maybe people always

452
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Speaker 2: do that. And so I'm okay, get my little bags,

453
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Speaker 2: I get my little carrito, I'm waiting. I go inside.

454
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Speaker 2: Everyone immediately goes to the eggs and like there's order.

455
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Speaker 2: People aren't like rushing. There's there's plenty of eggs for

456
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Speaker 2: like everyone that's there at that time, but everyone is

457
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Speaker 2: clearly like going straight to the eggs to fill up

458
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Speaker 2: their car or get just one for their cart. Everyone's

459
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Speaker 2: checking them. And then we get our eggs and we

460
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Speaker 2: go on with our grocery shopping. And that was it.

461
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Speaker 2: And so yes, another example.

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Speaker 1: No, this is all bad. That is very bad. Yes,

463
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Speaker 1: that's super dystopian. But I am glad you got your.

464
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Speaker 2: Egg I got my eggs. Yes, yeah, can you believe

465
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Speaker 2: I can't believe it.

466
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Speaker 1: I mean this is like, okay, so not too long ago.

467
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Speaker 1: Well it was a couple months ago now. But my

468
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Speaker 1: boyfriend was like, is anything, like, does anything worry you?

469
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Speaker 1: And I said the first thing that came to mind, honestly,

470
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Speaker 1: was yes, I'm worried that if we experience some type

471
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Speaker 1: of environmental or natural disaster that all of us in

472
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Speaker 1: southern California will run out of water very quickly, and

473
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Speaker 1: that there will be chaos in the streets and it

474
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Speaker 1: will be utter mayhem and we are not going to

475
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Speaker 1: be able to get out of here. And he was

476
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Speaker 1: like what, But I'm like, no, this is what I

477
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Speaker 1: worry about. And then I kid you not. The next

478
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Speaker 1: day the fires.

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Speaker 2: Behan oh okay, yes.

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Speaker 1: You know, and then everything that comes with that that

481
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Speaker 1: we've seen unfold. Of course, inevitably things like that to

482
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Speaker 1: a small degree happen, you know, and there are issues

483
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Speaker 1: with where do people live, people's stuff, the grocery stores,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, the eggs, all of it. So not to

485
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Speaker 1: be like a conspiracy theorist doomsday prepper, but it's like,

486
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Speaker 1: these are the signs right of collapse.

487
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Speaker 2: Yes, late stage capitalism, that's what we're in, end of empire.

488
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Speaker 2: This is like not, yeah, this has happened before. And

489
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Speaker 2: something you said, Mala a couple of years ago, I

490
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Speaker 2: actually think about when I start to get a little

491
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Speaker 2: anxious stressed about the state of the world, and Mala

492
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Speaker 2: on an episode I couldn't tell you which one, but

493
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Speaker 2: she said something like, I'm sure people forty years ago,

494
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Speaker 2: fifty years ago, one hundred years ago felt like it

495
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Speaker 2: was the end of times, and they persevered and they

496
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: had to keep going, and they made their art and

497
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Speaker 2: they had to live their lives. As we descend into fascism,

498
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Speaker 2: that is something that I'm thinking about, that we got

499
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Speaker 2: to be ready, we got to stay ready, but the

500
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Speaker 2: art continues. Oh yes, So I'm kind of looking back

501
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Speaker 2: at historical times and looking back at the writing I've

502
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Speaker 2: actually believe it or not, because you know, I am

503
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Speaker 2: a recovering Catholic, but I have been very interested in

504
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Speaker 2: revisiting the work of Bishop Archbishop Oscar Rometo because he

505
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Speaker 2: was a liberation theologist, and I feel like that in

506
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Speaker 2: a way, I am like, am I going to become

507
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Speaker 2: a Catholic again out of spite? That's kind of how

508
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Speaker 2: I've been feeling lately. Not that I'm going to go

509
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Speaker 2: rejoin the church or anything, but more so like leaning

510
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Speaker 2: on liberation theology and thinking about how like Christian nationalism

511
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: is running our country right now, and then how do

512
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Speaker 2: we combat it? And I feel like there is something

513
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Speaker 2: there in revisiting the work of Archbishop.

514
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Speaker 3: Oscar Rometos, who is also a saint, who is also

515
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Speaker 3: a saint, who is a Saint In.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really fascinating. You know, throughout history, I

517
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Speaker 1: think that there have been a lot of religious people

518
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Speaker 1: from different denominations who have contributed greatly to like, yeah,

519
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Speaker 1: liberal politics. I mean Martin Luther King of course is

520
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Speaker 1: an example. We can even think of someone like Mother Teresa,

521
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Speaker 1: and of course there are other examples, And so I

522
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Speaker 1: think that there's something to be said about, like, yeah,

523
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Speaker 1: like revisiting those works from these minds, yes, because other

524
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Speaker 1: you know, I think obviously, like like a leftist politic

525
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Speaker 1: is more likely to maybe want to study the works

526
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Speaker 1: of like folks who are maybe more gorilla.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, you know, yeah.

528
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Speaker 1: But why limit your sources?

529
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think my my my initial, my gut

530
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Speaker 2: is always like revisit Audrey Lord, sure of course, right,

531
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Speaker 2: revisiting the works of like W. Du Bois, Paulo Frey's

532
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Speaker 2: Pedagogy of the Oppressed, Like, there's all those works that

533
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Speaker 2: like my gut, and my instinct is like revisit those

534
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Speaker 2: and learn, let's learn from it in a different way

535
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: this time, right, Because anytime you revisit something, you're learning

536
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Speaker 2: it in a new way or you're seeing it with

537
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: new eyes. But there's also like, okay, wait, let me

538
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Speaker 2: actually go back to liberation theology and let me let

539
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Speaker 2: me see what I can learn from there at this

540
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Speaker 2: point in time, because I feel like there's there's just

541
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Speaker 2: something calling me to it, and I'm like, God, I'm

542
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Speaker 2: going to become a Catholic?

543
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: Got a spite? Is Jesus sure? Literally like literally Jesus Lord. Why?

544
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

545
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Speaker 1: It makes me think of our listeners as well, to

546
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Speaker 1: go back and listen to our episodes with Prisca who

547
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: literally studied theology yes, and is very much liberation minded

548
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Speaker 1: in her work and has has herself found a way

549
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Speaker 1: to fuse those things through study and writing. So there's

550
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Speaker 1: I think, and I say that to say there's some

551
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Speaker 1: blueprint for this.

552
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, yes, And I think it's like.

553
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Speaker 1: Very cool.

554
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Speaker 2: Yeah, tbd, I'll let you know, Yeah, my journey.

555
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Speaker 1: I love that Marcella Argueo has an Oscar Romero tattoo

556
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Speaker 1: she does on her own. She does that could be

557
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Speaker 1: someone interested on like facilitating your your study group around this.

558
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Speaker 2: Someone interesting to be in conversation with. Yes, yes, there's

559
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot. There's a lot, and I think, you know,

560
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: the powers that be want us to be isolated. They

561
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: want us to be afraid, they want us to put

562
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Speaker 2: our heads down, they want us to feel overwhelmed. And

563
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: so this is a very good time to invest in

564
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Speaker 2: your community and build new community as well.

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Speaker 1: You know.

566
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Speaker 2: In this episode is very much inspired by some of

567
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Speaker 2: the feedback that we got from our listeners recently, and

568
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Speaker 2: one listener in particular asked us to kind of just

569
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Speaker 2: nerd out on some of the things that we've studied

570
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Speaker 2: on scholarly things, on school things. And so I've been

571
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Speaker 2: out of school now for almost two years.

572
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Speaker 1: I can't believe it.

573
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Speaker 2: I can't believe it either, And so we kind of

574
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Speaker 2: just wanted to spend some time nerding out on the

575
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Speaker 2: degrees that we have and also are currently in pursuit of.

576
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Speaker 1: For those maybe just picking up here, I started an

577
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Speaker 1: MFA program, which stands for Masters of Fine Arts at

578
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Speaker 1: USC at the School of Cinematic Arts, and the degree

579
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Speaker 1: is in Film and Television Production. So I'm in my

580
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Speaker 1: third semester, so I'm, you know, second year of a

581
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Speaker 1: three year program and it's a production degree. So we

582
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Speaker 1: make movies. We're not reading books, right, We're not in

583
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Speaker 1: a lab. We are on set. We do have classroom

584
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Speaker 1: instructional hours during the week and then on the weekends

585
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Speaker 1: we're on set and we're filming, and it's been so

586
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Speaker 1: fun and I've learned so much. And this year I've

587
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Speaker 1: really gotten in my producer bag and I've just been

588
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Speaker 1: like recommended to different crews to produce films student films,

589
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Speaker 1: which is really exciting because I think in a production degree,

590
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Speaker 1: that's what you want to do, is you want to

591
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Speaker 1: work on as many movies as possible. So so my

592
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Speaker 1: nerd out right now is all in the weeds of

593
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Speaker 1: like producing and creative producing. And right now I'm producing

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Speaker 1: a documentary called All of Us Girls, which is about

595
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Speaker 1: a sexual assault amongst a group of Chinese women and

596
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Speaker 1: the survivors in the documentary telling their stories and talking

597
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Speaker 1: about the cultural aspects of processing their trauma as East

598
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Speaker 1: Asian women. And that's been a really cool production to

599
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Speaker 1: be on. I'm the only non Mandarin speaker and I

600
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: am learning a lot is all the way around every

601
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Speaker 1: aspect of this production. So it's been a beautiful experience.

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Speaker 1: And this summer I'll also be producing I sort of

603
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Speaker 1: describe this at the top of this episode, but a

604
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Speaker 1: virtual thesis, so it's a mix of live action and

605
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Speaker 1: VR and animation, and we're probably going to use like

606
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Speaker 1: unreal engine and the LED wall and all kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: So that's going to be a very new field and

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Speaker 1: area for me because I've never done anything like that,

609
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Speaker 1: and I'm just excited to learn. And as you know,

610
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Speaker 1: look at that our productions, we are a multimedia production house.

611
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Speaker 1: So I think part of the reason I wanted to

612
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Speaker 1: go to film school was so that we can start

613
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Speaker 1: like branching out into these other types of media and

614
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Speaker 1: make all kinds of work absolutely, whether it's TV shows

615
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Speaker 1: or movies or documentaries or maybe something animated or a game,

616
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Speaker 1: what have you. So yeah, I'm just like soaking it

617
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Speaker 1: all in and saying yes to everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we have been, you know, thinking, you and

619
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Speaker 2: I about lots of different film and television projects, you know,

620
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Speaker 2: like aspirational ones, and we've brainstormed a lot along the

621
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Speaker 2: way along in many years, even before you were you

622
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Speaker 2: got this degree. So it makes so much sense. So

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Speaker 2: given now that you're more trained, you're formalized, you're learning,

624
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Speaker 2: how would you say things differ from like when we

625
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Speaker 2: were making things too for Indy Rasquatch It like back

626
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Speaker 2: in the day very gorilla style filmmaking, where we were

627
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Speaker 2: like just randomly shooting places. And now you've learned the

628
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Speaker 2: formal process of applying for permits and like the way

629
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Speaker 2: to do things. So how would you compare those experiences

630
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Speaker 2: and maybe what you've learned.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's so much. I want to start by saying

632
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Speaker 1: that I'm actually so impressed by what we were able

633
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Speaker 1: to make without having any training whatsoever.

634
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Speaker 2: And what did what have we made?

635
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Speaker 1: Oh, we've made a few things. So first of all,

636
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Speaker 1: good our YouTube channel. We have a look at thought

637
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Speaker 1: our productions YouTube channel subscribe. We have a little over

638
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Speaker 1: a thousand subscribers, but we'd always love more. We don't

639
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Speaker 1: constantly feed the YouTube, but we have some like evergreen

640
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Speaker 1: work on the YouTube, one of which is our first

641
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Speaker 1: short film. It's about an eight minute film called Lokiita's Anonymous.

642
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Speaker 1: And this film actually has a very high production value.

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Speaker 1: It looks beautiful, beautifully styled. I'm like receiving this training

644
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: at school. But then I look back at something like

645
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Speaker 1: Loki Is Anonymous, and what it tells me is that

646
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Speaker 1: we were able to assemble such a talented team just

647
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Speaker 1: from our small like group of creative friends, because it

648
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Speaker 1: was all like friends who worked on it. Oh yeah,

649
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Speaker 1: you know. Chava was our director essentially and also helped

650
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Speaker 1: with like DP work, but our other friend Ernie was

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Speaker 1: actually on camera, and then Michelle Morrow was doing our

652
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: sound work. Javi Mendoza helped us take the idea and

653
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: put a script together, and then Robert was doing our

654
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: hair and makeup. We produced it and got like wardrobe

655
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: taken care of and donations as far as like jewelry,

656
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: Belladonna donated like hair clips GLA crew. Yeah. The location

657
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: came through your nail contact.

658
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: Yes, Valerie from now formally wit your Beauty Collective but

659
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 2: now Beauty Collective Lab still in Wittier.

660
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Shava and Michelle edited the film. We

661
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: used music from an artist that I've known for a

662
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: few years. It's sell Choko, and it just like came

663
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: together and is like honestly so cute and so well done.

664
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: What it tells me is that we always had the

665
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: ability and the vision so check that out on YouTube,

666
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: and the talent within our community. But now it's learning

667
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: how to do it professionally, right, so we can a

668
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: get paid to do this work, like someone could hire

669
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: us and we can do it or B we can

670
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: raise the funds and really know how to appropriately allocate

671
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: them to make the best possible version of our vision,

672
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: right and we know who to call, you know, but

673
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: we can like do everything you know industry standard.

674
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah.

675
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: And it's also I think for me about like meeting

676
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: new people and even though it's USC and it's local,

677
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Like my cohort, I'm one of two Latinos and in

678
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: the program it's very very few Latinos and almost like

679
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: no one who's local. There's like a couple sprinkled throughout

680
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: the semesters, but like local folks and my cohort it's

681
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: me and one other student from Lakenata, you know. Everybody

682
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: else is from out of state or international, which is

683
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: actually really cool because it really forces me to network

684
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: way outside of my community and to work with people

685
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: way outside of my community and our immediate creative circle,

686
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: which is good because it's like there's new ideas, new themes,

687
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: new topics, new point of view, and learning to work

688
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: with different types of people and their different styles, you know,

689
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: and like being part of a team to like talk

690
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: about a subject matter that is so outside of me

691
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. But like just contributing to

692
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: the greater project. Yeah, you know, so those have all

693
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: been very valuable as well well. Is like the hard skills,

694
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: like learning how to use the editing software, learning how

695
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: to use the equipment, learning how to set up a

696
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: c stand and operate a camera and do like diit

697
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: and work with hard drives and you know, the SD cards.

698
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: Like it's all been great. So I hope to direct

699
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: some stuff in the future. Like Yosa mentioned, we have ideas,

700
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: and I came into school with some ideas of things

701
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: that I would love to pitch and get made while

702
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: I'm there, Yeah, and while I can crew up and

703
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: like have university support and just this like this really

704
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: dense collection of students in one place who are all

705
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: there just to make stuff. Like that's what they're there for.

706
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: And that's exciting.

707
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: That's exciting. It is a really, I think wonderful place

708
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: to be when you're a student and that's and you

709
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: get to create and you get to like learn and

710
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: do it together. I love being a student. I love

711
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: being like and not just a student of life obviously,

712
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: you but like act like being enrolled in something that

713
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: my brain just like needs that kind of like structure,

714
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: and so I love that. I love that you're doing that.

715
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: I love that you're learning and you're definitely applying it here. Yeah,

716
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: look at our productions.

717
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: And there's more to come. There's always more to come,

718
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: always more to come. But yeah, check out some of

719
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: our older work on our YouTube channel, because every season

720
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: we've done like a video short, and we worked with

721
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the same people over and over again.

722
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: And you'll see that even though it was Indian not

723
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: quote professional, that it is very professional.

724
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was professional because we were making it in

725
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: a professional way and if we had professional energy behind it.

726
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So check us out. Look at that our

727
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: productions on YouTube, and then of course you know, follow us,

728
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: look at Underscore Radio on all the other social media platforms. Yeah.

729
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: I love that.

730
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: And how about you, dude, let's talk about nerding out.

731
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: So I nerded out on my film and TV stuff,

732
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: on my school stuff. Let's nerd out on specialized journalism.

733
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I god, it feels like in so many

734
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: ways so long ago and in other ways not that

735
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: long ago, because logistically it wasn't that long ago. But

736
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: I applied for two programs back in twenty twenty one.

737
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: I was.

738
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: Just to take it back. Let's see, I was working

739
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: in residential care coming out of the pandemic, and I

740
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: knew I wanted. I really appreciated the stability of that job.

741
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: At that point, I had been there for almost five years,

742
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: and it helped me grow Lokatra because it was a

743
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: strict nine to five. I had a very stable paycheck,

744
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: I had very good healthcare, and it was close to home.

745
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: And I learned so much from my boss at that time.

746
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: Shout out to Alicia. She was an incredible business boss lady,

747
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: and I learned so much from her without even realizing

748
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: I was learning about running a business. But I would

749
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: like help her run payroll for like her side business.

750
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: I would help her do a lot of like the

751
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: entrepreneurial stuff that she was doing as a very small

752
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: business owner, but also was working she was working for

753
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: like a bigger corporation. So I got to see both.

754
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: And I didn't realize at the time that I was

755
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: learning how to run a business and how to run

756
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: books and how to have a good accountant and all

757
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: those things that now I see, Oh yeah, Like I

758
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: picked a lot of that up from her, and so

759
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: I'm very appreciative and grateful for who she was in

760
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: my life and we're still in contact now, but at

761
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: that time I felt like things with the podcast were

762
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: still indie and things were challenging, and I was feeling like, Okay,

763
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 2: my job is not fulfilling anymore. I'm ready to grow,

764
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: and so I just started up one applying to jobs

765
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: and two applying to grad school. So I at the

766
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: time was in between like a public health program or

767
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 2: a journalism program. And it was actually an event that

768
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: we did with HBO Max where we got to interview

769
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: Idro Rodriguez and we got to watch her documentary before

770
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: it came out on HBO Max. And there's something in

771
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: the documentary where she says that her grandmother gave her

772
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: this advice where she or her grandmother tells her that,

773
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: you know, to kind of go all in for stand

774
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: up for comedy, because her grandmother says something along the

775
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: lines and I'm this is just you know, one up

776
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: to my memory. She says something like, you know, if

777
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: you're kind of if you're planning for if you have

778
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: a Plan B, you're planning to fail. You're planning for

779
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: your planning to not work out. And I very much

780
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: was feeling like at the time, the public health degree

781
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: was like very practical. It's like, yes, I'm very passionate

782
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: about public health, and yes we need more latinas in

783
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: public health. But if I'm applying for a master's in

784
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: that I'm spending all this money on it, then I'm

785
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: doing that with the intention of like, look, I thought,

786
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm not branching out into what it can be. And

787
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: so hearing that advice made me go all in and

788
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, we're gonna do straight journalism. I'm going

789
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: to apply to Columbia. I'm going to apply to US.

790
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: And when I applied to Columbia, I sat Mala down

791
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, I'm going to apply to

792
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: grad school, and I need you to know that I'm

793
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 2: still very invested in what we're doing and this is

794
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 2: just going to make it better and if I go

795
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: to New York, We're gonna make it work. And I

796
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: would like just let her know, like I'm still invested

797
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: in this. And so I applied to both programs. I

798
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: got into both programs, did a lot of soul searching,

799
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: went through it. I really wanted to go to New York.

800
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: I really wanted to go to Columbia when I got

801
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, you have to go, yeah, and

802
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: Mala was like, I will move with you. You have

803
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: to go to multiple people offered to move with me.

804
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: Let me just tell you.

805
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: The support.

806
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: The support was there, but you know, just everything going

807
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: on in my life at the time. I also got

808
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: more money from USC, and I just didn't really have

809
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: the budget to like move cross country. Like it was

810
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: gonna take a lot of like you know, additional money

811
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: to like move across the country. Tree established myself in

812
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: New York and it was an eleven month program at

813
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: Columbia and also at USC, and I just felt like

814
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: I had to keep my job. This was pre network

815
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: and so I was like, I can't be working East

816
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: coast hours with a West coast company and it was

817
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: just going to be too much for me. And so

818
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: after weighing everything out, I decided to stay local. Annenberg

819
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: is still an incredible program. USC has gone through a

820
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: lot over the last couple of years, and I think

821
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: has really like fumbled a lot of things publicly internally,

822
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 2: but Annenberg for me, has always been like a really

823
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: bright spot in this very private white institution. And so

824
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: I think that that was one of the reasons that

825
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: I decided, like I'm going to do Annenberg and I did,

826
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: and it was eleven months and it was super intense.

827
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: I wish that I could have done a two year program,

828
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: but it One of the reasons this program is eleven

829
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: months is that it's hard to ask a working journalist

830
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: to be a full time student for two years. And

831
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: so while even though I was working, ideally, you're not

832
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: supposed to be working. Everybody tells you, all the instructors

833
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: tell you do not work. And that's crazy, Like it's

834
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: wild to tell, like a first gen student, you can't

835
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: you can't work, you can't have a job, because that's

836
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: a lot of privilege. It's a lot to ask someone

837
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: like not to have a second income.

838
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what they also said that to us

839
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: before last semester. Specifically, they were like, if you have

840
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: a job or a hobby, quit, Like that is unhinged

841
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: to tell anybody. But if it wasn't for the podcasting,

842
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how a full time job, yeah, would

843
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: like allow for school at all, Like their flexibility is

844
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: not there.

845
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I did. I did work, like for a job,

846
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: Like I had a job, I had a job, an

847
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: amazing job, and I still love the people that work there.

848
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: And so I held that job for my summer session

849
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: and fall semester, so six seven months, and they were

850
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: very flexible with me. I was working on campus constantly

851
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: and it was a remote job, so it had that flexibility.

852
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: And I was, you know, running the podcast. We had

853
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: just signed with the network, So all of those pieces

854
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: made it feel like the blink of an eye. Not

855
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 2: only was the program really fast, but I was working

856
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: a job running the podcast, so it.

857
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: Just felt it was a lot.

858
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: So I didn't really get to soak up in a

859
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: soak up a lot of the things that I think

860
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 2: my peers got to do. But that's part of it.

861
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: That's part of being like an adult in a grad program.

862
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: Like it's not undergrad, it's really not. And I think

863
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: there's that Maybe maybe I went in kind of hoping

864
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: that I would be able to do everything, but you can't.

865
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: Everyone has limitations. But for what I got to do,

866
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: I feel like I really got to make some really

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Speaker 2: incredible work. I mean, through my thesis, I got to

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Speaker 2: work on a personal narrative podcast that I've been pitching

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Speaker 2: a radio podcasting class, I was able to partner with

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Speaker 2: the La County's Commission of Human Relations, and this was

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Speaker 2: a department, if I recall correctly, that was founded during

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Speaker 2: civil unrest. During the summer of twenty twenty. We made

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Speaker 2: this podcast called La Together Podcast and I got to

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Speaker 2: produce one episode and associate produce a second episode. And

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Speaker 2: the one that I got to produce and I got

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Speaker 2: matched was actually about the Dodgers. I interviewed two of

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Speaker 2: the descendants of Laloma Bishop baalo Verde, which was the

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Speaker 2: community that existed in what we now know as Chavis

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Speaker 2: Ravine and the Dodger Stadium. And these two descendants, they

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Speaker 2: when the Dodgers and the city of La displaced an

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Speaker 2: entire community. And so I got to work on that,

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Speaker 2: and then I also got to work on another episode

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Speaker 2: where a mother was interviewing her trans daughter and her

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Speaker 2: daughter was nine years old roughly, she's probably older, she's

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Speaker 2: definitely older.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: That was I think really exciting because I got to

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Speaker 2: like be a producer for a podcast that wasn't ours,

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Speaker 2: and I got to learn from an incredible incredible podcast

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Speaker 2: radio person which is Willa Seidenberg, and she was one

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Speaker 2: of my mentors when I was at Annenberg and she's

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Speaker 2: now retired. But yeah, I just had like an incredible faculty.

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Speaker 2: I had an incredible cohort. It was very much a

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Speaker 2: very special time, very quick, remember it fondly and it

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Speaker 2: helped me then, you know create I feel like with

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Speaker 2: you and with Michael Dura, Senora sext and you can tell.

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Speaker 1: Like that making that podcast was the most streamlined on

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Speaker 1: our end. I think because of the systems that you

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Speaker 1: put in place, like directly after receiving your degree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, learn your craft, learn your craft and

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Speaker 2: keep your job for as long as possible. Absolutely, and

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Speaker 2: always hire an attorney.

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Speaker 1: Always, always ask a friend who has an attorney for

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Speaker 1: recommendation for a good attorney. And I think, well, I

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Speaker 1: feel like we've had like a lovely chat.

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Speaker 2: Chat it for a long time.

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Speaker 1: We've covered a lot.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk to the rest of the weegain.

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Speaker 1: I think we've did if we've used a follow our words.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for listening to another episode of Look

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Speaker 2: at Our Radio. Let us know what you think of

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Speaker 2: This episode is structured but it's still chatty.

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Speaker 1: It's Mola and I.

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Speaker 2: We're in conversation with each other, so let us know.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch you next time.

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