1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome, Move the sticks DJ Bucky together 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 2: before the fourth of July. Buck, How you doing, man. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 3: Man, I'm doing great. I am here in North Carolina. 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 3: It's a little hot, it's a little muggy. It's been 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 3: a minute since I've spent like a full week in 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 3: North Carolina. So I'm trying to readjust to that that 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 3: that that Southern. 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 4: I want to say hospitality, Southern hospitality in the Southern 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 4: unity because this is wearing me out right now. 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: Well, I think I'm honoring you because I don't have 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: the air on in my office. I'm just dying in here, 13 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: so I think I'm just trying to feel your pain. 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: We've got we've got a fun episode today. We've got 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: our buddy Chris Peterson, who you know from his great 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 2: coaching career at Boise State at the University of Washington, 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: then got out of it at a young age voluntarily. 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: I mean, he has turned down a bunch of jobs 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: over the years. He decided he wanted to go try 20 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: and help people in the leadership space and then also 21 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: doing some work, some great work over at Fox on 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: their college football coverage. But really one of the I 23 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: think one of the bright minds in football, forget any level. 24 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: I think he's really one of the bright minds and 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: one of the kind of innovators of the last twenty years. 26 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: If you're going to put a list of guys and 27 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: put ten names on that list, I think Chris Peterson 28 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: probably find his way on there. 29 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 30 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 4: I mean, you think about the job that he did 31 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 4: at Boys, and then if you ask around and people 32 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 4: talk about the impact that he had when he was 33 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 4: at Oregon and just the way that he always had 34 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 4: his teams able. 35 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: To play up. 36 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 4: We saw success that he had at Washington, But going 37 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 4: back to those Boys days and how those teams played 38 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: and operated, Man, you just I mean you have to 39 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: tip your cap to him, and so to have an 40 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: opportunity to speak to him can be more excited about it. 41 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're a football fan, an NFL football fan, 42 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: and you happen to care about the Cowboys, love him 43 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: or hate them, you'll hear a little bit about Kellen 44 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: Moore in this conversation talking about his relationship with Dak 45 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: what they're able to accomplish. And then if you're a 46 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: Charger fan or a Justin Herbert fan. A little bit 47 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: about what to expect with Kellen Moore and Justin Herbert 48 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: teaming up with the Arger Is. He's their new offensive coordinator. 49 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: So we're gonna go a lot of different directions with 50 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: this conversation. I think you guys are really gonna enjoy it. 51 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: Here's our chat with Chris Peterson. All right, buck here 52 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: he is. It's great to be with coach Pete again. Coach, 53 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: thank you so much for the time. 54 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 3: Man. 55 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: First of all, we got to get your give us 56 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: an update on the summer here. What have we done 57 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: to kind of get away get a little rest of 58 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 2: relaxation here. 59 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: Well, that's a priority in my life these days. That's 60 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I'm not coaching, So I could 61 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: after all these years of coaching. Well about maybe a 62 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: month and a half ago, I just got back from 63 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks in Portugal. Oh yeah, and Ben, did. 64 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: You go surfing? 65 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: Coach? 66 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 2: Did you go surfing? 67 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 4: Now? 68 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: I did not go chase the one hundred foot wave. 69 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to, but I wouldn't be here talking to 70 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: you guys right now. So yeah, that was great. And 71 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: uh yeah, just you know now in Seattle. Right now 72 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: is in Seattle, and this is as we were talking, 73 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: this is the time to be here right now. 74 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 4: And what DJ, don't, don't don't let Coach Pete sent 75 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 4: off the hoom because let me tell you what I 76 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 4: discovered a couple of weeks ago. I'm down for Elite 77 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 4: eleven finals, and I happen to bounce out there and 78 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 4: Coach Pete has he's out there lending his expertise in 79 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 4: his services, and so I'm I'm I pull them off 80 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: to the side, kind of tell them what's going on 81 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 4: with me. We're talking about the stuff or whatever. But 82 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 4: Coach Pete is over there watching the wide receivers. And DJ, 83 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 4: if you if you've ever been to one of his practices, 84 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 4: whether boys or when he said you dub, he's a 85 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: very he's a stickler for the details. 86 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: So DJ, he leaves me. 87 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: Mid sentence to make sure that the tempo is up 88 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 4: to pork And because and because Elite eleven isn't like 89 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 4: a college practice, is not quite a high school practice. 90 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 4: The tempo is kind of summer tempo, DJ, like, no 91 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 4: one's really bouncing around from drill to drill, and you 92 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 4: can just see coach Pete like, hey, man, what are 93 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: we doing, Honey, we gotta make this thing up. So yes, 94 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 4: he's really relax and all that, but the coach is 95 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: always a coach. 96 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: He's always coming. 97 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: Let me just say this, I don't think I'll ever 98 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: be in the summer tempo on. 99 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: I like that, like that summer temple. That is amazing. 100 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 4: He was. 101 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: That's amazing that Buck. You just took me exactly what 102 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: one to go, coach, because I want to, you know, 103 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: since when you started coaching, and I think we've touched 104 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: on this a little bit in the past, I'd be 105 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: curious where you are now. There's obviously it's a different 106 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: landscape with the off seasons with these high school kids. 107 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: Whereas when we were growing up, we went out with 108 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: our high school buddies and we you know, maybe went 109 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: out through on our own. Maybe coach could wrangle up 110 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: a couple seven on sevens for you know, a couple 111 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: of local teams. Nothing like this where it almost feels like, 112 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: for the most part, these kids exit their high school 113 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: program over the summer, similar to basketball players, and it's 114 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 2: like an aau environment and they're traveling around doing all 115 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: this stuff. And I guess two parter here at number one, 116 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 2: how much is it changed during your time? And number 117 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: two is it better? 118 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: It has definitely changed, there's no doubt about that. I 119 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: don't know if it's better. Like I have real mixed 120 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: feelings on that. You know, it's just interesting, you know, 121 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: just a specialization how early guys are going at the thing, 122 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: especially the quarterback position. And I still just have really 123 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: mixed emotions on that. I think high school and certainly 124 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: younger is about playing as many sports as you possibly 125 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: can and just being exposed to them and not really 126 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: specializing you could, you know, I think maybe when you 127 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: get that junior senior year in high school, i'd hate 128 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: one of the things that we'd always look for too 129 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: sport athletes. We still thought that was the greatest thing ever, 130 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: the two sport athletes. And I think, you know, we 131 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: talked to you know, some of the NFL coaches and stuff. 132 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: They still the same thing, like what did you do 133 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: in high school? How many of you play? You know, 134 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: just specializing that one. I think, you know, we talk 135 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: a long time on that, but I just even think 136 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: mentally it's just not the right thing to do. And yeah, 137 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: I love it when I see guys playing basketball and 138 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: baseball and track and football, and you know, hack golf 139 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: and whatever else they can they can mix in there. 140 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: I just think that's what it should be about. 141 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I ask a quick follow up on 142 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: that then, because I want to go back to maybe 143 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: go back to your time at Boise Like right now, 144 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: if you're the head coach at Boise State, is there 145 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: almost like a is there a value find out there 146 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: and finding those kind of old school multi sport kids 147 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: that all these major programs have bypassed because they weren't 148 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: so such and such seven on seven tournament where they 149 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: got their fifth star or what have you. That might 150 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: be It almost feels like it could be a little 151 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: like market inefficiency, so to speak, where there's there's a 152 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: segment out there that's not being you know, properly evaluated 153 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: because they are doing it the way we used to 154 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: do it back in the day. 155 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to that. 156 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: You know, I do think with the world we live in, 157 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: keeping those guys kind of secret that you might be 158 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: trying to recruit, those days are long and over. 159 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: You know. 160 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: I remember when I first came to Washington. You know, 161 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: it's like they'd always talk about Don James drawing a 162 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: fence around the state and we got to do that. 163 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: We got to get back to that. And I'm thinking, yeah, 164 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: I want to do that, but like, what are we 165 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: going to build a wall? Because like there's the Internet, 166 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: there's social media, like that wasn't going on back in 167 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: that day, and so really hard to you know, I 168 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: think if the kids are good enough, you're going to 169 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: find it. For the most part. Sometimes guys do slide 170 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: under the red. Someone's going to find them, though, and 171 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're going to go to a level, 172 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: maybe a little beneath what they can develop into. And 173 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: I do think that's really one of them most important things. 174 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: I always would say this. I learned this from my dad. 175 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: My dad was a coach and he would always say, 176 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, the whole trick to this is is going 177 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: to the highest level that you can play at, keywords 178 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: being that you can play at. And I remember, you know, 179 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: I grew up in northern California and thinking, you know, 180 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to maybe go to cal and I kind 181 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: of had that in my mind for a long time. 182 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: And He's like, yeah, you can go to cal but 183 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: you need to go to CAL Davis, you know, not 184 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: Cal Berkeley. And it was so much in those words. 185 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: But that's what it us. 186 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I remember, you know, I was slightly 187 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: recruited out of high school to some different places, and 188 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: think in San Diego State and all these different you 189 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: know cal and that was Colly's on the raidar and 190 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: he's like, listen, you can go and be on the 191 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: team there, but you're going to struggle to really play 192 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: a bunch. You need to find that level. My dad 193 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: was a coach that you know, new talent or you know, 194 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: kind of relatively levels. And I think about my time 195 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: at UC Davis and I would tell recruits this all 196 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: the time. I wouldn't trade that for anything. You couldn't 197 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: go back and say, we put you at Washington as 198 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: a freshman, and you know, I wouldn't trade that for anything, 199 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: because I was at the right level for myself. 200 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: You know, coach. 201 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 4: So dealing with high school athletes, it's really so hard 202 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 4: now with recruiting changing, with the transfer portal and all 203 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 4: those things going, it's hard to get guys to understand 204 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 4: the beauties of playing maybe below beneath d one. And 205 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 4: so when you're thinking about looking at guys and those things. 206 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 4: If you were a coach, now, man, what would it 207 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 4: take at a high level, what would it take for 208 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 4: someone to really pop to say, hey, I'm going to 209 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 4: recruit this guy as opposed to jumping into portal and 210 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 4: doing those things. 211 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: Because I don't think. 212 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 4: Enough kids know how hard it is to be regarded 213 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 4: as a D one athlete. 214 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: I mean, what is the percentage is It's like, you know, 215 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: it's such a small percentage of all the kids in 216 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: the to play high school football that will actually go 217 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: play Division one. But that's where so much of the 218 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: social media is. I think that's where that's changed that 219 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: like it's like, you know, it's again, I went toward 220 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: junior college before I went to UC Davis. My dad 221 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: was a junior college coach, so I got the benefits 222 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: of that. And so whether it's junior college Division three 223 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: and AIA Division two, it just doesn't There's so many 224 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: different levels, and in some ways, I'm telling you, there's 225 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: so much more beauty these days what's going on at 226 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: the Division one level. There's so much more beauty at 227 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: those levels. The purity of the game and playing for 228 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: it is really supposed to be about and some of 229 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: this craziness we're seeing at the other level. 230 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned in your background coach at UC Davis 231 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: as a player, but think about, you know, all the names, 232 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: I mean, the number of coaches that have come out 233 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: of UC Davis. I think about the number of coaches 234 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: that have come out of John Carroll obviously a lower 235 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: level of football. But not only are we producing coaches 236 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: at some of these lower levels. I think to your 237 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: point about innovation and trying new things and really pushing 238 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: the game forward, it seems like that's almost driven from 239 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: from the bottom up as opposed from the top down. 240 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: I think there's there's a lot of truth there. It's 241 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: kind of interesting how this whole thing is is kind 242 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: of changed a little bit, you know where I mean, 243 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: high school coaches will try anything. They're in my mind 244 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: that they're the innovators, Like they don't have that pressure 245 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: and that fear of like in most places of like 246 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: if this doesn't work, man, I got the nation wreathen 247 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: down on me. And so you know, when I first started, 248 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, everything was kind of top down. It came 249 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: from the NFL, and then things started to change. You 250 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: saw a lot of the college game going into the NFL. 251 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: But really I think a lot of that came from 252 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: the high school game with the quarterback run game and 253 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: the RPO you know game. I'll never forget this, you know, 254 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: this is interesting. So this was a handful of years back. Now. 255 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: This is in like the mid two thousand, maybe twenty ten, 256 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: somewhere around there. I was at Boise State and I 257 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: was in a meeting. We were in a head coaches meeting, 258 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: and they were just talking about the rule where lineman 259 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: could go down field three yards in college where's only 260 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, a yard before. And I'm sitting next to 261 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: Chris Ault, the great coach, the Hall of Fame coach 262 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: from the back. I mean, people don't realize how good 263 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: that guy. You know, back in the day when he 264 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: was a young head coach, they threw the ball all 265 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: over everywhere, and then he invented, you know, basically the 266 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: pistol offense and then brought alive with Colin Kaeperty. I mean, 267 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: it was and we saw that evolve right in front 268 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: of our earn. Yeah, I'm sitting in this meeting and 269 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: they're telling us, hey, there's new rules coming in that 270 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: the lineman can go down field three yards and he 271 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: looks at me and he's like, wait, did I hear 272 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: that right? And I said, yeah, Lineman can go down 273 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: and he goes. This changes everything. And I remember right 274 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: in that and I'm thinking, how in the hell does 275 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: this change everything? How is this guy? And sure enough, 276 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: like how I was thinking the screen game maybe, yeah, 277 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: but it really was that RPO game. And then you know, 278 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: I know the rules are different in NFL, and there's 279 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, they're so detailed and they're so on every 280 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: little minute, you know, situation they now they got they 281 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: just don't go down field as far. But it was 282 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, those little rule changes. And then again the 283 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: colleges were dabbling, but the high schools, to me were 284 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: the ones that really were spearheading a lot of this 285 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: change that we would see, and then they caught the 286 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: pros and see it and they'd take it to their level. 287 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: Buck, Hey, Buck, I remember going in there was it 288 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: was it Vitawe. What was the name of the little 289 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: running back that was with Kaepernick during those years. I 290 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: remember going to the scout guys for billion yards they had. Yeah, 291 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: that was fun offense to watch back then. 292 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, on the other sideline, I just remember I 293 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 4: just remember going to watch them play. 294 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 3: He didn't bring his team out for pregame warm ups. 295 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: He did, he did, So we're there to body type 296 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 4: all the guys and they don't run out. 297 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: The other team is I think it might have been Hawaii. 298 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 4: The other team is on the other end looking around 299 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 4: waiting for them to come out, and they don't run 300 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 4: out until it's time to play the game. And I'm like, dude, look, 301 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 4: I love the univision. He wasn't the easiest with the scouts. 302 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: To go on. We all have our things, he and 303 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: coach because we're playing them and I'm like, we're at 304 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: their place. I'm like, where are these guys think their 305 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: chances are going to forfeit? I'll take it. 306 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: Over. 307 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: And they're on their practice field and it doesn't look 308 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: like normal warm ups to me. I think they're private 309 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: before they play us. 310 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, they are. 311 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: So it's funny that you bring them up, coach, because 312 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: with Colin Kaepernick, uh in the national football to get 313 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 4: kind of ushered in like the wave of the athletic quarterback. 314 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: So now bring it back to your level. You just 315 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: spent a lot of time with the lead eleven quarterbacks. 316 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: Is it now? 317 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 4: A prerequisite that your quarterback have a level of athleticism, 318 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: not that you feature them in the run game, but man, 319 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: you've got to be able to do a little something 320 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 4: in the run game. 321 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: Now, if you can play, not only in college but 322 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: the upper. 323 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: Levels, it changes the game. And I think everybody's seeing that, 324 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: and they know how much I mean, we all know 325 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: how much these quarterbacks are paid. And back in the day, 326 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: there's like no way am I risking that at all. 327 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: But I think it gives you such an advantage in 328 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: terms of winning. Doesn't mean you're gonna run them all, 329 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't mean you got to be Lamar 330 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: Jackson and really like run, run, run, But the fact 331 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: that he can pull the ball and will pull the ball, 332 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that changes the numbers game completely. And I 333 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: think it's funny because you know, a handful of years ago, again, 334 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: in the old days, five eight years ago, if the 335 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: guy could run a little bit, that was a bonus. 336 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: You know, you had your Tom Brady's and Drew Breeses 337 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: and these pocket pass Now it's kind of flipped. The 338 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: pocket passers that that's all they do seems just so rare, 339 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, not that it can't be done. You're gonna 340 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: play it in the guy's strengths. But when they are athletic, 341 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: and like you said, those kids at the elite eleven, 342 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, all those kids are pretty athletic. They can move, 343 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: they can do enough of what we're talking about for sure. 344 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: One of that, that's one of the. 345 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. Because because coach talked about innovation now coming from 346 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: the bottom up. So now think about all those high 347 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 4: school guys who just looked in the gym and say, look, 348 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 4: I got to take the best athlete and put him 349 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 4: at the position where he touches the ball the most 350 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: and has the biggest impact. So high schools are basically 351 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 4: the reason why we're seeing the quarterbacks at the collegiate 352 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: level and at the higher level because the high school 353 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 4: coach decided, I'm gonna put the ball in the hands 354 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 4: of my best athlete and make everybody else figure out 355 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: how to stop him. 356 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: I mean, just think about the skill and the years 357 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: and the time it takes to become this elite pocket passer. Well, no, 358 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: he has that time, you know, not even in high school. 359 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: You're already get fired or and so you do that. 360 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, once the creativity box has been 361 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: open and shown to others like, wait, there's a lot 362 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: of good athletes in the school. There's not a lot 363 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: of really elite pocket passers walking. 364 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: Up and down the hallways. 365 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: So I can take a couple of these guys and 366 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: we can put something together that's pretty special. And that's 367 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: what they've done. And then I think again, the NFL guy, 368 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you talk to any of the 369 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: decordinators and it's like, Okay, I remember when the college 370 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: game was really running quarterbacks while they started running the 371 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: zone read all this stuff, whether it's third down, goal line, whatever, 372 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: just dabbling and they're like, yeah, we don't have to 373 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: see that, we don't have to deal with that. And 374 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: I just kept thinking, you're gonna have to deal with that. 375 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: You better get ready. And it really kind of surprised 376 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: me how long it did take for those guys to 377 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: be where we are today. I thought it would have 378 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: happened faster. But I think it's because they're paying those 379 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: quarterbacks so much money. They're just like, I am not 380 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: doing this, But I think if you don't do it, 381 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: you're behind the eight ball. Yeah. 382 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: We have talked about this in the past and talked 383 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: about how now because the you're not paying the quarterbacks 384 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: as much as we did in the stafford I think 385 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: was the last year with the rookie contracts were out 386 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: of control and then they ended up changing everything to 387 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: sour capra. Whereas that would that would buy you some 388 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: time to struggle to be Peyton Manning, to be you know, Troyikman, 389 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: these guys who struggled early. Now when you're not paying 390 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: those guys as much on those rookie deals, there's not 391 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 2: as much along of a lease. The coaches don't have 392 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: as long as a leash as you know. So in 393 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: order to be a pure pocket passer, the knowledge is everything. 394 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 2: So if you if you're not afforded the luxury to 395 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 2: have the time to build up the knowledge base, then 396 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: you're out. Whereas you can use your legs to buy 397 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: time until your knowledge base is widened and then you've 398 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 2: got everything going. But that's kind of what we're you know, 399 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: we're talking about about how this thing changed. 400 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: You're exactly right. And you know there's there's a couple 401 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: of guys because one I saw one in college a 402 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: lot and then we played against one, one being Josh Allen. Yeah, 403 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: you know he was this big old strong arm thrower. 404 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: Right. 405 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: There was accuracy a little bit maybe the issue in college, 406 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: but he could run and he could do some things right, 407 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: and so that might have bought him a little bit 408 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: of time as he developed his game and learned it. 409 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: And the other one was Jalen Hurts. You know, we 410 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: played against him in Alabama at Alabama in the playoffs 411 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: at Washington, and he was athletic and can move and 412 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: they played to his strengths. But passing skills, I mean, 413 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm just so amazed how he's truly developed his next 414 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: level passing skills since we saw him back in the day. 415 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: I just you don't see that often those guys be 416 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: able to develop that accuracy so late. Usually it happens 417 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: in my experience, you know, kind of in the high 418 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: school and then you know through college. I just hadn't 419 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: seen so many guys in the NFL really change your accuracy, 420 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: and those two guys have done that. 421 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 4: You know, coach, going back to your time as a 422 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 4: college go if we could fast forward and say you're 423 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 4: a head coach right now, when you think about stocking 424 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 4: your quarterback room, do you have all the quarterbacks with 425 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 4: this similar skill set or do you just try to 426 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 4: take the best ones that you can recruit and try 427 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: and figure it out. 428 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: Along the way. 429 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: First of all, that word that you said, there's no 430 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: such thing as stocking your quarterback your you hope you 431 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: got one and then somebody else at least can take 432 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: staffs and hand it off. I mean, that's what's crazy 433 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: about that, right. The quarterback and football in general is 434 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: a developmental game. But that makes it really tough in 435 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: terms of how the transfer portals have an effect on things. 436 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: So it's kind of scary. But I do think this. 437 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 1: I think you have a philosophy and an idea of 438 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: how you want to play offensive football, and you recruit 439 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: to that, and then when you get that guy, he 440 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: may be a little bit better at some things than 441 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: you thought and a little bit worse than you think 442 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: things that you thought, and you really try to tailor 443 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: it to play to his strength. I mean, as we 444 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: all know, it all runs through the quarterback. Like if 445 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: you it doesn't matter, I don't care if you're a 446 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: wing t offense, I don't care if you throw the ball. 447 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: If your Army Navy, Air Force like, and you're not 448 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: gonna throw it hardly at all, you still got to 449 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: have that quarterback. Whatever you're doing, and so whatever you 450 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: have there, that's where it starts and ends a lot 451 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: of times. 452 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: Coach, while we're on quarterbacks, you think you can convince 453 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: Bucky this year with this high school team, maybe throw 454 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: it more than five times this year. Convince him to 455 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: do that? How much? Tell him Buck if we if 456 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 2: you haven't told him, ye to tell him. 457 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 3: So so to him, we went through. 458 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 4: We made it all the way to the state championship 459 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 4: game without completing the past and then. 460 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 2: Zero coach zero zero. By the way, by the way, 461 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: tell it. Wait, wait, tell him, tell him the quarterback 462 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: who played at your high school? And then put this 463 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: all together here, tell them tell him who played quarterback 464 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: at your high school. 465 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm the head coach at Grenadaho's Charter High School, 466 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: which is where the great Giant Lway. His name, the 467 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: stadium is named after John Elway. Is John Elway's stadium. 468 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 4: And yet they have all this innovation. They were doing 469 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: five lines in the seventies and then here we are 470 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 4: running the ball every day. 471 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: And beating the brakes off people. Coach, I mean, I'm 472 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: talking about every game you. 473 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 4: Got beat, we completed too in the state in the 474 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 4: stadium because you got away from what you did. 475 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, thank you, Well, I gotta I gotta hand 476 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: this to you, though. I think that is like so 477 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: beautiful and create because you know, everybody's just copycats. Everybody's 478 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 1: running spread offense, everybody's no huddle, everybody's how much can 479 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: we throw it? And for you to go back and 480 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: do kind of what nobody's doing, except for maybe a 481 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: handful of teams, that's a competitive advantage. And then you 482 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: think they got three three days to kind of get 483 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: ready to play you. 484 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: No chance. 485 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: Is there a chance along those lines that we see 486 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: that this you know, everything cyclical that like the Army 487 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: Navy thing that somebody picks that back up or is 488 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: that over coach? 489 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, that's a good question. I think so much 490 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: has to do with recruiting. I think that's why they 491 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: do it. But I think we're seeing so much more 492 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: of it right in front of our face. With the gun, 493 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: with the pistol, with the zone read. I mean, it's 494 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: all deer football, option football from twenty years ago. It 495 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: just looks differently now, you know, not throwing it at all, Bucky. 496 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty impressive. 497 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 4: So no, So it's funny that she brought it up 498 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 4: because Jeff Muckin is a friend and Army has had 499 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 4: to change their offense because the new rules in college 500 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 4: where you can't cut block, yeah, down the field, and 501 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 4: he has talked about how it really negated the advantage 502 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 4: that Army, Navy, and Air Force have because on the 503 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 4: perimeter they can't cut. 504 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 3: So DJ at West Point they're having to go. 505 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 4: To more of a spring brought around some of the 506 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 4: stuff that Coastal was doing and some of the stuff 507 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 4: that Liberty would do with David Chadwell. 508 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 3: But you know, the rules, like coach talked about sitting 509 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: in a meeting years ago. 510 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: With Chris, all the rules really dictate how you may 511 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 4: have to play because in the gates some of the 512 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 4: advantages that you and may have had for years. 513 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. 514 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: All right, buck, Let's take a quick little break. We'll 515 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 2: be right back. We've got more on this conversation with 516 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: coach Pete. Who's who's been outstanding. Hopefully you guys that 517 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: are enjoying it, we'll finish that up right after this. Coach, 518 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: you talked about a little bit about boise Ye. I 519 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: wanna go back. Obviously, Kellen, the success you had with him, 520 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: and to see the run he's been on obviously, the 521 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 2: you know, the offenses with the Cowboys in the top 522 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 2: five just about every year he was there. Now he 523 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: gets a team up with Justin Herbert. How do you think, 524 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: how do you think that marriage works? And I'm not 525 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: taking any shots at Dak, who's been unbelievable. I think 526 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 2: Kellen went on the records, he's the best leader he's 527 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: ever been around and loved. I mean they have a 528 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: great relationship, loves him as a player. But in terms 529 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: of a skill set as good as Dak is, Justin 530 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: can do some things that maybe no other quarterback in 531 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: the NFL can do. 532 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously we're talking about Kellen Moore here. Yes, 533 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: sure knows that. 534 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: Well. 535 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: You know again, it kind of goes back to our 536 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: conversation that we were just talking about. You know, I 537 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: think with the best coaches that I've been around do 538 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: is they take whatever that quarterback's elite skill set is 539 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: or skill set the best things they do, and they 540 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: just play to those strengths. And I think Kellen fits 541 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 1: into those that mold for sure, Like Dak is a 542 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: great quarterback, but certainly a different skill set than Justin is. 543 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: And so Kellen's job and what he's done highlight the 544 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: things that Dak does well, and so it'll be interesting 545 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: to see what he does in the charger offense now 546 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: highlighting Justin's strengths and what he does special and uniquely, 547 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, for the charger offense and what he brings 548 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: to the table. I can't wait to watch it, just 549 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: because I know he's going to do such a great 550 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: job with it, you know. 551 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 4: One of the things that I'm surprised, and maybe you know, 552 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 4: this is something he was working for Mike McCarthy, and 553 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 4: maybe McCarthy wasn't as big on shifting emotioning, but I 554 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 4: just remember watching how you guys used to shift emotion 555 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 4: maybe two and three times every play up in Boising. 556 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 4: Can you kind of take us behind the curtain explained? 557 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 4: What does that do for the offense in terms of 558 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: gaining and advantage with all the moving parts, with people 559 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: shifting and motioning and switching sides. 560 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when I look back at it, you know, 561 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: kind of our evolution on offense. That's one of the 562 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: regrets that I do have of getting away from so 563 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: much of that, especially when we came to Washington. You know, 564 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: you talk about your your competitive advantage. I think that 565 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: was something that we knew we did well. It was 566 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: it was kind of in our DNA, and so it 567 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: didn't feel very heavy or expensive to us in terms 568 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: of how we taught it, what we were doing it, 569 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: the purposes for, and the effect that it would have 570 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: on the defense and the defensive coordinator one kind of 571 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: taking out of the game in a way. It just 572 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: it felt like there was so much we see the 573 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: tight end, you know, trade sides or motion across and 574 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: the one and the three technique or like switching sides, 575 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: and then all this communication going on, and we're like, wait, 576 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: rewind that, like what that little thing has, So the 577 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: more we could do with that. We know, like there's 578 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: a lot of thinking going on, and we know that, 579 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, as soon as there's a lot of thinking 580 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: that executes you on the other side kind of goes down. 581 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: And so it's funny. That's one reason I love watching 582 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: what Kellen has done at the Cowboys. I mean it's 583 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: so funny. Like we talked about how all this thing 584 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: has evolved and this new age offense, and I look 585 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: at some of the things that I'm like, that is 586 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: so similar to what we were doing when he was 587 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: winning all those games of Bois. 588 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, coach, we're keeping you longer. I just got a 589 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: couple more and we'll let you run here. But on 590 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: Kellen Moore, one more question. I want to ask you 591 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 2: on that one because I know I'm talking to some 592 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 2: defensive coaches. Played against the Cowboys a bunch, they said, 593 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 2: and I was getting ready to call a game. I 594 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: think the charger of playing the Cowboys. So I was 595 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 2: prepping that game and I just said, hey, tell me 596 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: something about call and I don't know as a play caller. 597 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: Helped me out here, and he said, he does the 598 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: best job of anybody in the NFL of varying tempo. 599 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: And I'm talking tempo from when they're out of the 600 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 2: huddle to on the line, to when they're on the 601 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 2: line to when they snap the ball. But he said, 602 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: as it's weird to describe it as a defensive coach, 603 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: it's hard to get into a rhythm with the variance 604 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 2: that he uses. 605 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: I think that's that that is the key right there, 606 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, especially with you know, all these uppaced tempo offenses. 607 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: It's just amazing how fast, as we know, defense is 608 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: adjust to whatever you throw at them. So if you're 609 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: always doing those type of things, the defense are going 610 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: to figure it out and they will stop that thing 611 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: that you're doing well. And so when you have a variety, 612 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: and so that's what I'm saying, Like this thing was 613 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: getting pushed so hard of tempo and no huddle and 614 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: keeping it simple and just to be able. You can 615 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: shift in motion, do all this stuff. You don't have 616 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: to shift the motion every play, you don't have to 617 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: huddle up every play. And I think that's what Kellen 618 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: is doing so well. It's just the blend of all 619 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: those things, but still staying true and having an identity 620 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: of who they are. And that's where the I think 621 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: the real wisdom and expertise comes in for him. 622 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 4: So as an old offensive guru, the challenge has always 623 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 4: been you hear coaches talk about A. You want to 624 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 4: keep it simple, but we want to make it look 625 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: complex for the defense. 626 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: So how do you know when I've reached that point. 627 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 4: Where okay, this is enough, I can't go overboard because 628 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 4: the creativity is always going. When it comes to a 629 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 4: we can keep shifting and build upon what we're doing. 630 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 4: How do you know as the head coach. Okay, guys, 631 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 4: that's enough. We're at the line where our guys. 632 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: Can't do more. 633 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: We're going to mess them up and get diminishing returns. 634 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where I think you really start to 635 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: separate the A players from the BC players in terms 636 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: of teaching and coaching and you know, those type of things, 637 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: because it you know, I'll tell you, like the computer 638 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: and the access to information, and you know, you end 639 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: up just chasing I would say, chasing ghosts. You know, 640 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: you're always trying to stay one step ahead, and it's 641 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: just you end up making it more complex for your players. 642 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: You know, I played for two Hall of Fame coaches 643 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: back at UC Davis. One Jim Soker, who is in 644 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: the College Football Hall of Fame, and the other one 645 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: is Bob Foster, who should be in the Hall of Fame. 646 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: And he used to always say that. Bob Foster would 647 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: always say, do not spoil your talent. Don't spoil your talent. 648 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: And when I go out, he goes, don't make it rotten. 649 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: You pile on and give him too much stuff. All 650 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: this talent and athleticism that we have, it just waters 651 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: it down and now you paralyze them. And if I 652 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: heard that term, don't spoil your talent once, I've heard 653 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: that to this day, and I think about that. The 654 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: really good coaches, they keep it simple. There's a sophistication 655 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: of complexity for the other side to look at. I 656 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: remember this, this is back in the like see Steen 657 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: millimeter days, right, there's no videotape to watch a team. 658 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: You had to give them your tapes and you exchanged 659 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: them and we would maybe exchange a game sometimes too. 660 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: And Bob Foster got, you know, unbelievable so far ahead 661 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: of the time. He'd say, I want to give them 662 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: all of our tapes, Like will they take all of 663 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: our tapes? Because they're going to see all this stuff 664 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: that we're doing. And it's really not that complicated to 665 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: us in terms of how it's taught and broke down. 666 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: And it was true. I mean, the sophistication that Jim 667 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: Soaker and Bob Foster ran a Davis like that was 668 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: part of the beauty of all these winning that these 669 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: guys did there. But they made it simple for us. 670 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: They taught the game. It was just really like kind 671 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: of black and white, and they stayed out of the 672 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: gray areas, and it was just like, this really isn't 673 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: that hard, and so I think, but it was hard, 674 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: like to be that level of a teacher and not 675 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: spoil your talent. You know. I think sometimes coaches get 676 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: bored with things and they just add a layer of 677 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: complexity when it's when it's working. And I know you're 678 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: trying to stay one step ahead, but I think there's 679 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: other ways without spoiling your talent. 680 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: That's a great lesson. I think that's true in just 681 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 2: about any aspect of life, not even just in coach 682 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: and ball. You know, keep the main things, the main 683 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: things here last one for me, coach will let you run. 684 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: As we're getting ready to start the season, you think back, 685 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 2: and I know you've been in so many of these meetings. 686 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: I'm always curious to go kind of behind the curtain. 687 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: And if you're going to be a head coach right now, 688 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 2: you've got your college team coming in, which is a 689 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: different environment than we've ever seen with the transfer portal, 690 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: where you've got your existing team you had last year, 691 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: You've brought in your freshman, you've got some transfer portal kids. 692 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: Maybe there's some grad transfers as well as a coach 693 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: is getting ready to meet with the team and get 694 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: in front of the team for the first time. What 695 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: is the right message for you? You can't speak for ambails, 696 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: but for you, what will be the right message as 697 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: you kick off the season. 698 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: I mean, if there's one one line that runs from 699 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: my head, it's you know, it's just a principle of life. 700 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: You can't do this alone, no matter what you're trying 701 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: to be great at whatever you're you know, this football 702 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: thing that we want to do the very best door, 703 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: but we want to have this great team. You cannot 704 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: do it alone. And so we're gonna have to come 705 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: together really quickly here and support each other and love 706 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: each other and help each other and be great teammates. 707 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: And I get the world we're living in it is 708 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: all about me, me, me, and how does this affect me? 709 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: But I really think the special teams and the special 710 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: people understand it's about how do I make those around 711 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: me better? And really really lock into that and believe 712 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: that because I just I believe in the law of 713 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: a harvest, like you reap what you sew, Like if 714 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: you're given to others, you're going to get it back. 715 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: Sooner or later. Sometimes it's not on our timetable, but 716 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: I believe it comes back to you, and so that 717 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: would be the theme. It's like, you know, and it 718 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: goes back to culture. So it's going to be about 719 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's uncommon unity and we're gonna have to 720 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: be so skilled as teachers and coaches and leaders to 721 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: bring this together quickly because it does take time. You know, 722 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: you can't you can't, you can't cheat connections and bonding 723 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: and all those type of things. But for me, this 724 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: conversation we're having right here, I would be relentless on 725 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: this message if we're going to try to do something special. 726 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: Let me follow that up real quick. 727 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 4: Coach, So you talked about everyone having to kind of 728 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 4: buy in and be in team centric. 729 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 3: How do you handle the guys that you early on 730 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 3: perceived to be more me oriented as opposed to team 731 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 3: orient Do you have a bunch of one on ones? 732 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 4: Like how do you kind of bring those those those 733 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,919 Speaker 4: wandering people in back into the fold? 734 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, first of all, I'm not going to recruit them. 735 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 4: I mean. 736 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: So, but I don't want to overstate this, Like everybody 737 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: everybody has an ego, right, and ego and it is 738 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: import like we all do. We're prideful, we want to 739 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: do good work. You know, it's all in us. But 740 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, there's a difference between a big ego and 741 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: a strong ego. Right. A big ego to me is 742 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: about arrogance. It's about self, it's about me looking good, 743 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: about me being right. A strong ego to me is 744 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: about like others. It's about trying to do something for 745 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: the greater good. It's about investing in others. And if 746 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: I have an idea, it's not about me being right. 747 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: It's about me being you know, something for the greater good, 748 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: Like I think this can make us better, and so 749 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: I think about it like that. There was one sign 750 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: in our staff room and it just said your ego 751 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: is not your amigo. And it was really a reminder 752 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: for myself as the head coach, like don't get full 753 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,439 Speaker 1: of yourself because those times that I have and didn't 754 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: want to hear it from other people, is when I've 755 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: done my my worst, my worst work. You know, I 756 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: think the kiss of death in leadership and coaching and 757 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, all those type of things like there's gonna 758 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: be arrogance, lack of self awareness and micromanaging. And I 759 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: think sometimes when you sit in that chair, it's very 760 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,439 Speaker 1: easy to go those directions that you can make these 761 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: decisions because you think it's right and you're not really 762 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: including the others, and you're heading down the wrong path, 763 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: you know. I I just think, yeah, I mean, I 764 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: just think that that's so if somebody we knew on 765 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: whether it were going to join us as a staff 766 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: member or as a player, like we knew it's just 767 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 1: all about them, We're probably like, that's not the thing. 768 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: Now you're gonna get guys that all of a sudden 769 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: aren't getting the ball as much or aren't playing as much. 770 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: And then you got to deal with those types of 771 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: things and you understand that man, and you're trying to 772 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: help them, and you're really trying to tell them what 773 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: they need to do to take the next step. And 774 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: if they'll, you know, that's usually a maturation process that 775 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: takes some maturity and it takes time to help him 776 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: work through those type of things. But you know, like 777 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: I said, I mean, it just it's a complicated world. 778 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: And I think you know, the best coaches, the best leaders, 779 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they understand the psychology of all this stuff. 780 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's I think the old days when you 781 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: just coached football and you said get in line. This 782 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: is all everybody said. Yeah, it's okay, we got it. 783 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: No water breaks, of course, just keep going for two 784 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: hours and then we'll think about what. 785 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 4: You know. 786 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: I joke about that because you know, it's like we. 787 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 2: Grew up, but that's why we grew up. 788 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 3: That's the way we grew up. 789 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy, like right. 790 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 2: I mean, think about it. By the way, do you 791 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 2: think about that stuff all the time? I think about 792 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 2: all the time. I mean I just remember being a 793 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: high school practice college practice. Guy goes down, like literally 794 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 2: stepping over him, scoot him down, keep the drill, let's 795 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 2: just keep the drill going. It's like, can you imagine 796 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 2: you can't do that anymore? 797 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 3: Man? 798 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: And I remember being so thirsty at practice. 799 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, first like just going, God, I wish you. 800 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 1: Have water, you know, so I don't believe. 801 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 2: You can get some water. Get back on the line 802 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: like that. 803 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: So so many things have changed for the better, there's 804 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: no doubt. I mean, there's a lot of things in 805 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: this coaching world that I'm super proud of how it's evolved, 806 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,479 Speaker 1: and those type of things. But you know when when 807 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: you know somebody's just gruntled on the practice field and 808 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: things aren't going the days of just handling handling them 809 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 1: some water and saying we good. 810 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 2: Now, well, coach, you've been generous man. We kept you 811 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 2: extra because we love talking to you. And I just 812 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 2: want you to know that as we leave this conversation, 813 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: the image I have in my mind is of you 814 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 2: and Patrick Swayze getting on that board in Portugal that way, 815 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 2: Keanu Reeves just watches you guys from this pan as 816 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 2: you go catch the bigger. 817 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: One, Daniel, and I want you to keep that vision 818 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: in your mind and just keep saying that, Bucky, I 819 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: got one thing for you on this whole coaching thing. 820 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: After thirty three years of coaching, there's one thing I 821 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: know about great coaches. They all have three things. A 822 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: patient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But 823 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: not necessarily in that order. 824 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 3: That's awesome. 825 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 2: He doesn't need a quarterback coach. 826 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,479 Speaker 1: He just by. 827 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 2: The way that kid, that kid's going is he already. 828 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 3: He's going to Utah? Yeah, he's at Utah. 829 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 4: So the Q who is my quarterback, who I put 830 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 4: at quarterback is at Utah. He won the state in 831 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 4: the four hundred meters at forty five seventy seven, So 832 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 4: number three holds up. 833 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 2: That's true. 834 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: That's the truth. 835 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 2: He is the best. Chris Peterson. You can catch him 836 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 2: on Fox during the fall on their excellent college football coverage. Coach, Hope, 837 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 2: you get a little bit arrest here. This thing's going 838 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 2: to be here before you know it. But anytime we 839 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 2: get a chance to visit with you, we cherish it. 840 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 2: I know, Bucky and I both have a page full 841 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 2: note serious. We appreciate you and you're the best. 842 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: You guys are great. Have a great have a great July. 843 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 2: Thanks coach all right, Buck, that was a that was 844 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: a fun That was a fun one man. He's always 845 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 2: a pleasure to talk to. Again, I feel like it's 846 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 2: we we love the conversations when we get to take 847 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 2: take notes, when they give you something worthy of writing 848 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 2: down and you know from from the sign on the 849 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 2: door your ego is not your amigo. Was fantastic. He 850 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 2: talked about the three things that gets you in trouble 851 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 2: as a coach. You think about arrogance, a lack of 852 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 2: self awareness, and micro managing. I mean, these are these 853 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 2: are great tips and tools not just for a coach, 854 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 2: but anybody in a position of employment. 855 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. 856 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 3: I mean, look, we. 857 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 4: Talked about we both are guys who love learning and 858 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 4: studying the leadership space and team building successful teams, companies, 859 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 4: whatever that looks like. And so to have someone as 860 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 4: accomplished as coach Peterson share those things, yeah, their takeaways 861 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 4: that you can implement in your own existence. I just 862 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 4: think finding a coach who's had the success that he's had, 863 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 4: who walked away for the game to help others become better. 864 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 4: He talked about being a consultant with other coaches, kind 865 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 4: of being that confident that they can kind of sound 866 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 4: things off of. Man, I can't imagine being able to 867 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 4: pick up the phone and talk to somebody who's as 868 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 4: knowledgeable as the act who's had the success and the 869 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 4: expertise with all of his experiences to be able to 870 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 4: give you those golden nuggets when you need it. 871 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 2: Well, he was outstanding. Hope you guys enjoyed it. We are, man, 872 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,240 Speaker 2: We are getting close to the NFL season. It's gosh, 873 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 2: less than a month away. Buck, we'll be out at 874 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 2: training camp. We'll be off and running. Hopefully you guys 875 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 2: are getting now again. Some barbecue time, some pool time, 876 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 2: lake time, beach time, whatever you're doing to rest and relax. 877 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 2: Hopefully you're enjoying these podcasts that we're given to you 878 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 2: as well anything else you want to have before we 879 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 2: get out here. 880 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 3: But no, man, I think this is a great one. 881 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 4: I think everyone should enjoy the holiday, having fourth in July. 882 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 3: To all of those who are going. 883 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 4: To to pay in barbecues across the line, be safe, 884 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 4: be safe with the fireworks, by the. 885 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 3: Way, the fireworks. 886 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, easy on that one, Easy on that one. All right, 887 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 2: that's gonna do it for us. Appreciate you guys. Happy 888 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 2: Fourth of July. We'll see you next time. Right here, 889 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 2: I'll move the sticks. 890 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 3: H