1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live to New York, Bloomberg eleventh, Ryo to Washington, 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: d C, Bloomberg to Boston, Bluemberg, Well under It to 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: San Francisco, Bloomberg to the countries. Joe is exam General 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: one nine and around the globe the Bloomberg Radio stap 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: and Bloomberg got gone. This is taking Stock coming up 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: on taking stock. Who would lend their money to the 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: US government for ten years at a rate of one 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: point five seven percent while some investors did. This morning, 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about negative bond yields and US 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: tenure bond yields falling to a near record load. That's 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: coming up. Larry McDonald, he covers the bond market very 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: very closely. We're gonna find out if he's worried or 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: happy about this gigantic bond rally. Well, I know what 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: I am now, I'm happy. Going to Charlie pell news room, 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: Boobermberg Business Flash, and I thank you very much, Kathleen 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: Anky him, the DAL, the SMP nezdak all declining twenty 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: nine minutes to go ahead of the close on this Tuesday, 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: And we're brought to you by Sector Spider E. T F. 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: S why buy a single stock when you can invest 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: in the entire sector. Visits sector sp d r S 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: dot com or call one eight six six. Sector et 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: F stocks are on track for their longest losing streaks 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: in February, amid growing uncertainty about the UK's future in 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: the European Union. Also, investors are awaiting tomorrow's Federal Reserve announcements. 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: Special coverage here on Bloomberg Radio. Investors seeking safety boosting 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: the dollar dragging down raw material and energy prices crewed, 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: falling to the lowest in more than a week. West 28 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: Texas Intermediate crewed now at forty eight fifty six, down 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: seven tenths of one, down thirty two cents. Bloomberg's Heavier 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: Blast in London says oil has room to fall further, 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: and that is because of Brexit. Tell me we are 32 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: not gonna go down to twenty six a borrower, but 33 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: can we go another five dollars down in the worst 34 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: case scenario of abrexit. Jest Probably supply and Demana is improving, 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: The market is getting more balance, but obviously there's a 36 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: big race off scenario. And I've seen that five dollars 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: down if the United Kingdom decides to leave the Judoban Union, 38 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: and today France's largest ensure a warrant that there is 39 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: quote an extremely high probability that the UK will vote 40 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: to leave the European Union. SMP five index down five 41 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: to two thousand, seventy three, a drop of three tenths 42 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: of one percent gold or right now up a dollar 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: seventy up by point one percent. And now let's take 44 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: a look at some of the other stories making news. 45 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: Thank you Charlie from the Bloomberg Newsroom. I'm Oliver Rennick. 46 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: This news Upstate is brought to you by the Jeep 47 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: Grand Cherokee, the most awarded suv ever. The Grand Cherokee 48 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: continues to raise the bar with its luxurious interior in 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: legendary four by four capability driving at your local Jeep dealer. Today, 50 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: President Obama says anti Muslim rhetoric from Donald Trump does 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: not represent the America we want. Obama is arguing that 52 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: treating Muslim Americans differently won't make the US safer. He 53 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: says it will make the country less safe by fueling 54 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: the notion among followers of Islamic state that the West 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: hates Muslims. The President spoke after meeting with his national 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: security advisors on the threat posed by extremists. We currently 57 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: do not have any information to indicate that a foreign 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: terrorist group directed the attack in Orlando. It is increasingly clear, however, 59 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: that the killer took in extremist information and propaganda over 60 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: the Internet. He appears to have been an angry, disturbed, 61 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: unstable young man who became radicalized. Former President Clinton sat 62 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: down with Bloomberg's David Weston for an exclusive interview from 63 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: the Clinton Global Initiative America meeting in Atlanta. We need 64 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: it's more help the WODN tell this work with federal 65 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: and local law enforcement, with people who may be lone wolves. 66 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: A New York City police officers severely wounded in a 67 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: brazen daylight hatchet attack as receiving the NYPD's highest honor. 68 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: Officer Kenneth Healy and three other officers were patrolling a 69 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: bustling Queen's Commercial District last fall when a man charged 70 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: him with an eighteen inch hatchet. Global News twenty four 71 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: hours a day, powered by our journalists in more than 72 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: a hundred fifty news bureaus around the world. From the 73 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Newsroom, I'm Ulverneck Charlie, and we thank you and 74 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: again recapping stocks or Laura SMP five hundred indecks now 75 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: down by three points to two thousand seventy five, a 76 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: drop of two tenths of one percent. I'm Charlie Pellett 77 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: and that's a Bloomberg Business flash. This is taking Stock 78 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: with Kathleen Hayes and Pimpbox on Bloomberg Radio. The yield 79 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: on the benchmark US government note fell to a near 80 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: record low today, as the yield on Germany's ten year 81 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: debt fell low zero for the first time on record. 82 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: Here to tell us more about the bond market is 83 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: Larry McDonald. He is Managing Director ahead of Global macro 84 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: Strategy at a CG Analytics, and he is also the 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: author of the book A Colossal Failure of Common Sense, 86 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: The inside story of the Collapse of Lehman Brothers. And 87 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: he is also the editor of The Bear Trap. Larry McDonald, 88 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: thank you very much for being with us, wondering if 89 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: you could just tell us your thoughts about the record 90 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: low yields. What are the implications for this near negative 91 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: rate on many sovereign bonds? Well, thanks very much, FIM. 92 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: I think we are within a few days of a 93 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: classic blow off top in bonds. What's happening around the 94 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: world is is pure evil. This is pure We're literally 95 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: witnessing pure evil. Central bankers are putting forcing capital into 96 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: places it just shouldn't be. We've gone from one trillion 97 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: of of negative yielding bonds a year ago to probably 98 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: over eleven trillion today. And the thirst for yield, the reach, 99 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: the reach, reach, reach for yield is creating a so 100 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: much systemic risk globally, uh that I think the near 101 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: term run Uh, it will will end here sometime in 102 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: the next hours. Why the next forty hours. It's been 103 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: going on for months. Well, we saw this last thanks Kathleen. 104 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: We saw this last We saw this on Sebruary eleventh, 105 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: We saw this last April, and we also witnessed this 106 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: on October four in two thousand fourteen. And Uh, when 107 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: you have a rush into bonds like we've seen that's 108 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: so far and so fast and so violent, uh, you 109 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: it gets overdone and it's too many people are on 110 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: one side of the boat, Kathleen. The bottom line is 111 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: the central bankers have kept interest rates so low that 112 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: there's hundreds and hundreds of hedge funds, acid managers thirsting 113 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: for some type of alpha, thirsting for it, so that 114 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: the student body goes left, the student body goes right, 115 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: and and then what's happening is too many people are 116 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: on one side of the boat chasing this yield, and 117 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna get whipside back out as they as we 118 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: witnessed on October fourteenth, two thousand fourteen, as we witnessed 119 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: on February and leventh of this year. It's just too 120 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: many people on one side of the boat and it's 121 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: not going to take much to get to to really 122 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: capsize the vessel. Alright, what if you could comment on inflation? 123 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: Do you believe that it is already with us? Well, 124 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: we're I think I think we're in a we're obviously 125 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: in a global deflation deflationary cycle that is starting to 126 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: reverse itself here in the United States a little bit. 127 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: But we globally were in disinflation. Uh. Evidence of real 128 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: inflation in the United States is very suspect. And uh, 129 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: there's just too many people because of these developed markets 130 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: have aging populations, right number one? Uh they two number 131 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: two democracies, Republican republic democracies have promised so many goodies 132 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: to so many different people that the amount of people 133 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: that are sitting at home not working in the developed 134 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: markets is our proportions that we've never seen our lifetime. 135 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: And so we have young people to fifty the most 136 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: in thirty years in the United States that are not 137 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: working that they're just sitting at home. God knows what 138 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: they're doing, but they're not working. And that's that's not creating. 139 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: That's not creating. I think that hilaria is that so 140 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: many people are saying with the central banks have done 141 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: wrong is take all the way to the world on 142 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: their shoulders, and we need physical action and the government's 143 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: giving both people money to stay home, and that's that 144 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: is not working either, is what you're saying. Now. Are 145 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: when you said that this will be over, this this 146 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: super nova of a bondmark rally in four eight hours, 147 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: do you just mean a little crack back up and 148 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: we'll see the tenure German buon back above in positive 149 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: territory for a while and maybe the tenure known in 150 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: the US s to one seventy or so, and then 151 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: the rally continues. Well, many people are saying, you know, 152 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: one fifties easy, one point to five on the US 153 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: ten years entirely possible. We'll keep in mind you're on 154 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: the phone with one of the biggest bond bulls on 155 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: Wall Street that's been around for the last I've been 156 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: one of the biggest bond bulls. It's two years ago. 157 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: People were laughing at me when we were calling for 158 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: one forty on the tenure. So the entire street told 159 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: us two years ago that we would be at three 160 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: and a half on the tenure. The entire street of 161 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: the street told us two years ago we would be 162 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: at three to three and a half. We have to 163 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: get we have to get ready for life after lift off. 164 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: They lectured us hours and on end it was they 165 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: were all the wrong. The entire street has been wrong. 166 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: So I think to your point, yes, I think it's 167 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: going to be a vicious sell off, but once again, 168 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: it probably lasts a month or two. And I don't 169 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: think it's the coupe data in the moment of the 170 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: great reversal in the bond market. That's probably six to 171 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: nine months away. But I don't think it's happening next month. Well, 172 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: you know what also is about maybe six months away, 173 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: is a new president in the United States. Do you 174 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: think that politics is playing a role in this. Well, 175 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: that's the thing exactly, tim is is that we talked. 176 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: We talked about this on our Bear Traps report, on 177 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: on Twitter, our handles at Convert Bond, and we we 178 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: just did a report last week with our team in 179 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: Washington and it was very well received by You're right, 180 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: the deficit spending Reagan type programs are coming out of 181 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: Trump in terms of stimulus, and that's going to increase 182 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: the depth sit and that's when you're get to get 183 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: a reversal in bond. Derry McDonald had a global macro 184 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: strategy at a CG Analytics. He's editor of the Bear 185 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: Transfer for report, and you may recall that he's the 186 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: author of a colossal failure of common sense. This is 187 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Coming up on taking Stock. We're gonna be 188 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: speaking with Larry Rosenthaal. He helps manage more than six 189 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars at Rosenthaw Wealth Management Group. What's he 190 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: telling his clients to do with their money? That's next