WEBVTT - Part Two: Inside Fox News with Katy and Cody 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:05.280 What's someone who should probably not be allowed out in 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:13.640 civil society? My Tucker Carlson, Cody Katie guests of Behind 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.200 the Bastards. We've not done a bTB on Um on 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.320 Tucker Carlson Cody, you basically did. You had a massive 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.759 some more news episode on the Guy. It's a big one. Yeah. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:31.480 Why is Tucker Carlson I believe? Yeah, but yeah, um 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.159 yeah he's a guy man. Yeah. All I would say 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.560 all you need to really know about Tucker Carlson aside 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.800 from like the Swanson airship and all that kind of stuff. Um, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.600 and uh, what his son Buckley? I think anyway, Oh 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:49.240 my god, his letters to Yeah, I've never met a 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.239 Buckley that we needed in the world. And also he 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:57.560 doesn't shorten it to buck It's Buckley. Uh. Wrote a 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.000 letter to Hunter Biden thanking him for like helping him 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.080 his son getting too. Yeah, anyway, that's one of my 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:06.280 favorite Tucker facts. Um. When Tucker was working in print journalism, Uh, 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:11.839 he was getting a he called it a takeout hot dog, 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.319 Um is what he called it. My god. Yeah, you 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.120 know he's where he's literally wearing the bow ties he's 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.000 writing this, I'm sure. Um, so you got to take 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.920 out takeout Hot Dog? Yeh? Back off the people. Yeah, 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.880 And somebody in the office was basically saying, um uh, 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.839 they need somebody to go on TV to talk about 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.160 the OJ trial, that he'd an expert in the OJ trial, 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.080 UM to go and talk about it, and their OJ 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.480 expert can't do it? Um can you? And he was 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.679 just like yes, um. And in the book he's like, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.200 I didn't know anything about the OJ trial, wasn't following 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.400 it at all. I immediately said yes to get on TV, 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.080 and then he did. And that's like the start of 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.520 his career on television. And I think it's just so 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.120 illustrative of like who he is and his like his 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.000 entire career is just that moment of like, who's an 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.280 OJ expert to go on TV? Oh, I am, I'll 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.000 do it after getting a Takeout Hot Dog? You know 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:08.160 I am. Years ago, for the nonfiction book, I wrote 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.959 a brief history of ICE. I talked to one of 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:15.600 the two guys who coined the Dunning Kruger effect, and 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.880 I also talked to the author of a paper about 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:19.919 I think the title of the paper was the Evolution 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.160 of Overconfidence, and it was kind of it's part of 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.840 this body of body of research is trying to answer 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.639 the question. I think people are broadly familiar with the 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:31.240 Dunning Kruger effect, which is a fairly durable finding a 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:36.160 neuroscience that people who are least competent in given tasks 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.960 tend to overestimate their own competence the most. That's kind 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.480 of the briefest way of describing it. And so there's 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.160 this question that people scientists in this field have, which 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.160 is like why right, because it does it kind of 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.040 seems if you're just kind of assuming on its surface 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.440 that like it would be a bad, bad trade evolutionarily 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.760 to be overconfident, because then you'll get yourself in situations 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.880 you can't handle and you'll you'll die horrible, right, right, right, 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:08.200 But like I guess it could be like psychologically protective it. Yeah, 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.800 Like that's I don't know if that's enough. Right. There's 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.280 the point that that was made to me as I 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.240 was trying to like understand why this still exists, is 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:21.320 that if you've got a resource that two different individuals 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.720 are competing over right, and they're more or less evenly matched, 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.280 or at least they can't know whether or not because right, 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.200 if you're like standing next to a guy who wants 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.000 to fight, who's roughly your's aye, you have no idea 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.160 who's going to win or not, unless you're like, you know, 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.440 you don't. It's they're a black box, right, you don't 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.160 know like who is who's better at fighting or whatever. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:43.920 Um So if you the the the individual that is 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.600 more confident in their ability to take that resource, if 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.160 they just go for it and grab it, one of 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.720 two things will happen. Either the other individual will fight back, 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.000 in which case they either win or lose the fight, 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.160 or the other individual chooses not to fight and you 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:02.080 get the resource. And statistically, that's a pretty good bet 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.200 to make. Enough of the time that overconfidence is an 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:09.640 extremely common trait, not just among human beings. And I 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.600 think it's also interesting that like that is how fascism works, right, 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:17.520 They just keep grabbing and until you fight back, they're 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.920 just going to keep taking more and more, which is why, 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.200 you know, we could talk about certain shootings that have 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.920 occurred recently in the city of Portland, but I think 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:32.800 that like fundamentally, Tucker is a perfect embodiment of that fact, 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.040 both in his career where it's just like well, Yeah, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.279 if you just try to do shit that you're not 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.600 competent to do, and you know, hope that you can 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.880 bullshit your way through it, sometimes you will, and then 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.720 you make tens of millions of dollars. And also if 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.280 you just keep pushing further and further as a fascist 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.960 and trying to incite more violence against your enemies and 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.279 no one stops you, then you get everything you want. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:05:00.000 Which in yeah, it's literally fuck around and find out. Yeah, 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.240 just like evil it is. It is really evil. It's 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.400 interesting because we're I wonder what he's saying in his texts, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.800 you know, in twenty twenty three, Um, but in twenty 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.479 twenty there's a degree of which you can see like 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.719 fear in him of what he's doing, Like which makes 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.600 sense help, Yeah, because he doesn't know if it's going 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.440 to work out for him or not. Um, but it does. 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.159 There's a degree to which I find it And maybe 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.240 he's more confident now. I don't know. There's a degree 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:28.719 to which I found a little bit of a a comforting 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.520 because it's like, oh, he knows he could lose, Like 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.920 he doesn't actually know how this is going to work out, 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:39.320 and he's he's second guessing himself and his his colleagues. Um, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.360 and and maybe that maybe that means that there's hope. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:48.760 Um maybe not. You know, it's twenty twenty three. It's 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:57.320 necessarily yeah now yes, um so yeah. Um. At any rate, uh, 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.760 we are back into the story of how Fox News 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:07.119 handled the election. Lies Well about this document, it was well, yeah, 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.839 well is a good way to describe it. Okay. So, 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:15.560 while murders sorry, no, no, no. While Murdoch apparently went 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.640 to pretty great lengths to curry favor with the Trump 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.840 campaign during the election, he does not seem to have 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.280 appeared to have wanted to push the stolen election line 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:27.080 after November second. But within Fox News itself, Murdoch had 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.920 a serious problem. He had hired a stable of hosts 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:34.400 who were let's say, either crazy assholes or evil enough 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.960 that all they cared about was their bottom line, and 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:38.600 they saw this as the best way to do it. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.000 There's also a degree of like fear of Trump, that 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.359 they all have internal discussion, and these people could not 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.960 be entirely controlled. Right. Rupert Murdoch has a lot of power. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.440 He does not have absolute control over Sean Hannity or 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.840 Tucker Carlson or Judge Jennine or any of these other 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.960 people because they were all multimillion dollar businesses, they have 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:01.800 a lot of leverage, you know. Um, you know, wasn't 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.320 it didn't Uh? Tucker Carlson at one point say on 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.800 like some like radio show, he was Rubert Murdock's bitch. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.240 Wait did Yeah? Yeah that was more back in his 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.360 shock days though, wasn't it right? Right? Right? Right now? 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:19.640 He's like making it. Um, I just like that popped 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.200 in my head. Yeah, yeah, I mean a little bit now, 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.640 I mean because it definitely the the depiction you get 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.840 from these internal coms is not one in which he's 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.480 fully Murdock's bitch, although it's also one in which, uh, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:34.520 you know, I don't know. I was actually kind of 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:38.080 surprised by how comparatively toothless it seems like Murdoch was 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.360 maybe just because of how much Fox is a talent 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.600 driven business. Um. But yeah, there's there's internal discussions that 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.360 dominion posts that are between Fox executives that are just 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.200 like this parade of worries, particularly that Sean Hannity is 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.960 not like controllable. Yeah. Um, they went so far, and 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.520 they did take some actions to try and mitigate this 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:03.240 Judge Janine pierrot November seventh show was canceled because, as 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.400 Fox executive David Clark said, her guests are all going 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.640 to say the election is being stolen, and if she 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.480 pushes back at all, it will just be token um 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.960 and then it's like token dot dot dot, and then 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.200 like two sentences are redacted. So I don't know what 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.560 the fuck else they were saying about Judge. I know 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.320 there's some tantalizing redactions here, and then we get to 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:27.400 this lovely bit quote. As Fox producer Justin Wells described, 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.320 they took her off because she was being crazy. Optics 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:34.320 are bad, but she is crazy, So he's like, the 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:38.600 optics of us questioning the election lies conspiracy theory are bad. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.760 But also this pitch is nuts. That situation you find 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.640 when you hire people you know are inflammatory just to 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.800 be inflammatory. It's Pandora's box. They've opened Pandora's box and 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:55.120 they can No, they cannot. So these mild attempts at 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.240 responsibility did not extend to letting the network call the 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.240 election for Biden. First, they waited until all of the 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:05.160 other networks had finished. Viewers revolted. Rupert Murdoch complained to 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.960 Suzanne Scott that the company was quote getting creamed by CNN. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.280 Guess our viewers don't want to watch it now. This 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.839 is the point at which Chucker Carlson, Yeah, I love 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.080 that funny. It's just like, yeah, they do the results 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:25.120 that kind of sorry, yeah, um, it's it's it is remarkable. 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.360 And at this point Tucker Carlson, who'd kind of started 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.840 out on like broadly speaking team reason like angry at 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:36.120 the election conspiracies, takes a turn. Carlson texted his producer, 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.160 do the executives understand how much credibility and trust we've 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.080 lost with our audience? We're playing with fire for real? 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:47.360 An alternative like Newsmax could be devastating to us. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.959 they know exactly. Yeah, yeah, they know exactly. Like the 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.120 ship that they're in. Um yeah, they're in a bad 0:09:55.120 --> 0:10:00.520 way back Fond might overtake us. Yeah, um, it's very 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:04.520 very funny. On November eighth, the day after the election 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.160 was called, Maria bartar Romo had Sidney Powell on again 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:13.280 to talk about Dominions software, which she alleged had an 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.280 algorithm that had stolen the election from Trump. Bartar Roma 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.040 knew ahead of time that Pale was going to spread 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.600 conspiracy theories about the company because Powell had sent her 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.160 a document the day before titled election fraud Info. Now, 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.040 this is the core of all of the information about 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.760 the Dominion and Smartmadock or whatever like this is this 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.760 is the actual nut of data that Sidney Powell has 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.839 that all of her claims are based on. Right. So 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.200 basically everything that Fox is going to magnify about the 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.640 election conspiracy comes from this document that Powell has been 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.400 sent from an anonymous source titled election fraud Info. Now, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:53.160 for one thing, Powell describes the synonymous source as pretty whackadoodle, 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.559 right like, and what does that mean exactly? I bet 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:00.920 you're wondering what is from Sydney Powell the sentence or 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.640 the statement pretty whackadoodle mean. Here's how the motion describes 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.720 the election fraud Info document. In addition to promoting lies 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.120 about Dominion, the cinder claimed that Justice Scalia was purposefully 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.520 killed at the annual Bohemian Grove Camp during a week 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.640 long human hunting expedition, and that former Fox News CEO 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.080 Roger Ales, who died in twenty seventeen, and Rupert Murdoch 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.080 secretly huddle most days to determine how best to portray 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.080 mister Trump as badly as possible. The author continued, Who 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:31.800 am I and how do I know all of this? 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.520 I had the strangest dream since I was a little girl. 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:39.120 I was internally decapitated. Oh, Cody, you gotta hear this. 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:44.079 I was internally decapitated and yet I live. The wind 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.840 tells me I'm a ghost, but I don't believe it. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:53.959 What right? You don't believe it? This is the source? Yea, 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.480 this is This is the source that three or four 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:03.800 billion dollars in loss suits are based around. Now. At 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.240 another point in this email, this anonymous source claims to 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.439 be able to quote time travel in a semi conscious state. Yeah, 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:16.000 which is also I think that just means dreaming. Yeah, 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.280 that is fucking incredible, like to know where it all 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.600 comes to. It's not even Sydney making stuff up or 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.839 just pretending to be a black box. She shares this 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:30.480 email with Fox hosts right so that she can inform 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.120 them what she's going to bring up, so they know 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.000 that the source of a lot of these election claims 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.480 is an internally decapitated woman who the wind tells us 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:45.520 a ghost and can time travel in a semiconscious state. Yeah, 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:50.440 in a semiconscious state. Very impressive, Yeah, very interesting info. Yeah. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.480 I mean, Cody, I don't think any of your sources 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.439 can time travel in a semiconscious state. So she includes 0:12:56.440 --> 0:13:02.520 all this in her resume and cover letters. Job, I'm 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:07.280 travel in a semiconta state. Um. Interestingly, our friend David 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.640 Bell puts that on his resume as well, So you 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.120 know that's true. That is true. He can wondering what 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:17.000 I did David Bell write? Does letter? No, he was 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.520 never internally decapitated. That's right, that's right. He would have 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.640 shared that. No, he sends me a cat scan of 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.400 his neck every single week, so I can I can 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:33.560 confirm he has not been internally decapitated. Um so Barter remo, Jesus, 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.200 what a stupid last name was aware of the email 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.160 and stated in her deposition that she knew that it 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.920 was nonsense, but at no point on air did she 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.520 mention that this email was the source of Powell's claims 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.560 about Dominion, which had aired on Fox to millions of viewers. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:52.000 As Tucker Carlson texted that night, the software shit is absurd. 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:57.480 Half our viewers have seen the Maria clip and yeah, 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.679 not wrong. Yeah, it's the most interesting stuff in here 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.920 to me is this behind the scenes glimpse and how 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.920 Tucker communicates when he thinks he has a reasonable expectation 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.520 of privacy, because he seems equally preoccupied with how dumb 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.840 the conspiracy is, as he is with lambasting his colleagues 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.960 for not adequately furthering the conspiracy theory. Right, Like, he's 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.360 pissed about both. He's angry that this conspiracy's taking off, 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:25.000 and he's even angrier when his colleagues don't back it 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.840 up on the air. Um, what a weird position for 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:33.560 a giant asshole to be in. Yeah, that would be 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.120 his position, though, wouldn't it. Yeah, of course, because there's 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:40.640 no personal responsibility. There's nothing like be angry about everybody 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.040 the options but yeah, there are no what are the 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:47.200 options breaks on this ride he's on. It's just he 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:51.320 wants the drivers to guide it a little better. Yeah, 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:57.600 it's it's he's definitely not stopping. On November ninth, Carlson 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.080 told Suzanne Scott Fox, his CEO direct I've never seen 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.240 a reaction like this to any media company. Kills me 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.400 to watch it. Scott took that message down the line, 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.520 attacking her colleagues for having the arrogance to call Arizona. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.720 She expressed that it was astonishing that a top executive 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.560 had signed off on the Arizona call, given that every 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:22.720 executive's first job was to quote protect the brand. Oh 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.480 that's their first job. Oh yeah, it's sheer shit, not 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:30.160 reporting the news, Katie. No, no, it definitely isn't that. 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.960 I'm going to continue from the motion. And on that day, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.520 day one, as Scott termed it, Fox executives made an 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.440 explicit decision to push narratives to entice their audience back. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:45.080 Scott and Lackland Murdoch exchanged texts about the plan going forward. Scott, 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.800 viewers going through the five stages of grief. It's a 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.520 question of trust. The Azy call was damaged. But we 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.520 will highlight our stars and plant flags letting the viewers 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.320 know we hear them and respect them. Murdoch, Yes, but 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:00.840 needs constant rebuilding without any missteps. Scott. Yes, today is 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:08.040 day one and it's a process souces. Yeah. Yeah, and 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.320 that respecting their audience means embracing the lie their audience, 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:16.520 Yeah exactly, yeahf the lie. Maybe we've got to respect 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.320 our audience so funny. I think that one of the 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.120 things I find really compelling here is that like the 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.440 most honest any of them seems is when they are 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.920 distraught that the audience is losing trust in them. And 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.960 so it's like, I think they do feel bad that 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:36.440 they didn't embrace the audiences insane conspiracy enough that like, oh, 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.360 we let them down. They expected us to be as 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.280 batshit as they are and we really fell down on 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:47.400 the job there. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, feeling upset 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:52.120 that they can't that they're in this situation and they can't. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.840 that they that they failed their audience should have gone 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:59.640 in harder. I think at the outset it's embarrassing to 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.400 let your right. Now, we should have been dumber and faster. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.560 I do say that a lot myself. But you know 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.199 who's as dumb and as fast as it's possible to be? 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:14.760 Sponsors are Sponsors? They are They are as they are 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.800 as fast as I don't know how to finish that 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:29.919 sentence anyway, here's our fucking ads. Ah, we are back. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.600 On November ninth, Neil Cavuto cut away from a White 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:38.160 House press conference where Kaylee McKinney made unsubstantiated claims about 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.159 election fraud. Neil told viewers that he could not in 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.439 good conscience air her claims unless she had evidence to 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.280 back them up, which is honestly more of a principled 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.479 stand than I think any of us ever expected from 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:54.719 Neil Cavuto. Absolutely surprising, yeah, shocking. The brand team at 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.760 Fox panicked. Raj Shaw, who headed the brand team, notified 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:03.280 senior leadership at Cavo represented a brand threat. Tighten. With 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.639 all this and with Cucker's reaction, was an ever present 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.280 fear of Newsmax's built over into the course of November. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.679 Fox exec and talent seemed to see Newsmax as a 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.600 mortal threat to their continued profitability, Which is funny because 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.080 didn't it just get dropped from like, uh, what is it? Um? 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.119 Was it Newsmax or the one News? Yeah? Direct Tv? 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.440 Direct Tv just dropped Newsmax because it didn't get enough 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:34.159 people watching it. It's interesting, so yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.280 Fox was. I don't know, it may it may have 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.240 just been that, like in the moment, Newsmax was experiencing 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.600 a surge, but it clearly didn't last. They're not doing 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.440 well right now, which is very funny. Also fuck all 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.160 of those people. Quote. Prior to November eight, Fox executive 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.160 David Clark testified that Newsmax was not a credible media 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.840 outlet because quote, their hosts were extremely one sided, ignored 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.520 the facts, they did not seem to care about telling 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.080 the truth. They seem to invest truly in conspiracy theories 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:07.240 versus fact. Yeah, I mean that'll do it. Wow. Imagine 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:11.480 a news agency being like that. David fucked up. Huh. 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.440 On November tenth, Scott pointed out to senior Fox executives 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.359 a note from analyst Kyl Goodwin on Newsmax's ride. Fox 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.520 executive Porter Berry responded, just pulled up Newsmax's show and 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.160 they're heading cavudo. They're just whacking us. Smart on their part. 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:31.000 Lauren Peterson added, they definitely have a strategy across all 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.720 shows to try and target and steal our viewers. And 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.199 this is also really compelling to me just because like 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.480 at number one, obviously, at no point is even ideology 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.840 a primary concern. Like the concern is the competition, right, 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.520 Like it's it's pure, it's pure business, And there's almost 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.320 this like I can respect the degree to which they're 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.840 good at fucking us over. Yeah, we would do that too. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.160 We would do that too, and it's a shame to 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.680 us that we weren't smart enough to do it. Master right. Yeah, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.200 m Fox executives talk about Newsmax. They're way the rest 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.040 of us talk about Fox, which is one of the 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.360 most entertaining things in the document. Fox president Jay Wallace 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:16.520 describes Newsmax as truly an alternative universe that can't be ignored. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.320 He then adds in a message to Suzanne Scott that 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.240 he is trying to get everyone to comprehend we are 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.240 on war footing. And again that's also from the point 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.840 I'm making about, like ideology doesn't seem to come into 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.399 it with these people. They're not at war with the Biden, 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.640 White House or Democrats. They're at war with other right 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.919 wing media that might steal their thunder. Yeah, who's yeah 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:43.720 out Fox using them. It's very very interesting. Yeah, Foxing, 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.399 I'm proud. I'm proud, proud of you, Cody. You know what, 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:48.640 Let's get on a call with the T shirt people 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.040 real quick. Yeah, let's let's get them on one of those. 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:56.600 So the T shirt people, the people. Everything that Fox 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.280 does next is influenced by this feeling of being at 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.879 war with New Max. This is what causes Tucker to 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.360 make common cause with Sean Hannity in order to push 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.679 the false claim that Dominion was the core of some 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.639 grand fraud. The express purpose of backing this conspiracy theory 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:15.000 was to bring viewers back from Newsmax. Quote Hannity told 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.199 Carlson and Ingraham on November twelfth, in one week, in 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.680 one debate, they destroyed a brand that took twenty five 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.199 years to build, and the damage is incalculable. Tucker responded, 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:28.520 it's vandalism. The hosts also discussed the possibility of competition 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:32.120 to Fox emerging. Hannity told them serious money with serious 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.360 distribution could be a real problem. I mho they need 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.720 to address. But what I don't know, Tucker, that could happen. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:45.359 So yeah, feel that fear, Yeah, feel that, feel that fear. 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.560 It is nice to know that he can be afraid. 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.560 It's a little brain bug moment there, putting your hand 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.399 on the goop stick that Tucker Carlson uses to suck 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:57.280 the brains out of your aunts and uncles. Yeah, it's afraid. 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:02.159 It's afraid. Normally, normally I feel um a little bit 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:06.400 of empathy when an unlikable character when you realize that 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.920 you know, they're afraid that you know, humanize them. No, 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:14.080 not this guy be afraid. I would not feel empathy 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:18.359 if Tucker Carlson's asshole got sucked out of his backside 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.639 by one of those one of those sucker things in 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.479 a swimming pool, in a grain silo or something, yea, 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:27.439 or a grain silo. Yeah, let's let's grain silo. The fucker. 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:29.760 Um did you guys grow up with that? That like 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:34.600 that at your local pool? That there was like, oh yeah, 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.440 all their guts sucked up and then like a pollenux 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:41.600 short story, right, I think ended up doing a short 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:46.000 story about that urban legend, which if anyone ever yeah, 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.720 I would definitely say, Cody, if there's a short story 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.840 about getting your guts sucked out of your butt through 0:22:50.840 --> 0:23:00.720 a swimming pool, chuck pals, Actually yeah, yeah, beautiful. I'm 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:04.359 gonna read it now. Okay, But for the record, I 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:06.560 would think it was funny if that happened to Tucker, 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:11.400 So yeah. That same day, Laura Ingram's producer Tommy Firth, 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:15.440 texted a Fox executive responsible for overseeing her show. He complained, 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.760 this dominion ship is going to give me a fucking aneurysm. 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.359 As many times as I've told Laura it's bs, she 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.600 sees shit posters and Trump tweeting about it. The next 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.880 sentence or so was redacted, but the Fox executive response, 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.119 this is the Bill Gates microchip angle to voter fraud. 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.399 The next day he messages Firth again asking how's it 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:40.680 going with the kooks? So they're both being like, oh, yeah, 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.240 Laura's you know, she's watching these ship posters. She's tweeting 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:46.159 about nonsense. But the executives like, yeah, you know, this 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:48.080 is something we can work with. It's this Bill Gates 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:53.000 microchip angle, but applied to work. Yeah, how's it going? 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.960 Are the crazy people biting? Feels you're not done telling 0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:01.000