1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: It's week two, day two of OTAs who was and 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: who wasn't on the field plus conversations about the depth 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: at safety and is yelled to pro hoole. You're week 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: one starting center. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode six forty seven, 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Bud to Baker, what Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable? 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Azycardinals 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcasts. 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again, 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: so far hurry magic. 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: Whow here's Craig Grioloud. 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: Well, it is good to know that we're not the 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: only one, Danny, And let me explain for those that 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: are regular listeners. Here to Cardinals Covered two presented by 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: Hyundai prout partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As is your father. 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: So appreciate that from mister Sirek. But the last time 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: we spoke after an OTA, we referenced that there are 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: certain numbers that we still do a double take. 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: I e. 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: Number seven, that's Kaiser White, but Byron Murphy is top 24 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: of mind, ninety four Zach Allen top of mind. We're 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: not the only ones, though, that have this problem, and 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: it's not really a problem. Players have the same problem. 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Would you like to explain. 28 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: Players, they're just like us, Craig. 29 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: Yes, everything just like us. 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: Just like us in all aspects. I had mentioned last 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: week that forty four juice B Marcus Golden's number got 32 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: me because it is now rookie Owen Papo's number, and 33 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: he also has dreads that were hanging out the back 34 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: of it helmet the way Marcus would. And I glanced 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: on the practice field last week and I said to you, 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: it's gonna take me a bit of time to get 37 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: used to seeing forty four and it not being Marcus Golden. 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: So at Thursday's Ota practice, I'm standing on the sideline 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: with you and Darren Urban and we're watching. It's near 40 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: the end of practice, and we hear a couple players 41 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: in front of us say, oh, I thought that was Marcus. 42 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: And we look and Owen Papo was on the field 43 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: going through a play and we started laughing and they 44 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: turn around. I was like, yeah, I've had that same problem. 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 3: They're like, man, it's so weird. It's just funny to 46 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: hear that there are so many new faces, not just 47 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: rookies but also free agency signings, that the players who 48 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: were here last year are still having to learn numbers 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: and names the way the media is. That even came 50 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 3: up in Jalen Thompson's press conference Thursday when it was 51 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: asked of him if any receivers are standing out to 52 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: the safety and he was trying to tiptoe around the 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 3: fact he doesn't really know everyone's names because he's only 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 3: been out here for a few day, and he was like, Mike, 55 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: someone had asked about Michael Wilson specifically, was Paul Calvici's question, 56 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, yeah, no, he's looked good. He's 57 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: up for fourteen, right, And everyone started laughing because he is. 58 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: But it's just these players haven't spent a lot of 59 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: time with each other, so it was just it was 60 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: funny to hear on the practice field that some of 61 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 3: the players were also getting confusing forty four on the 62 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: field and it not being. 63 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden by the way we can out those players, 64 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: can we not? I mean is it safe. 65 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: I think it's embarrassing. 66 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: All right, Cameron Thomas and Trey McBride, you've just been 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: called out here on Cardinals cover two, and again, no 68 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: different than a lot of US media fans, because not 69 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: only is it a new front office, new coaching staff, 70 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: but there is a ton of new players on offense, defense, 71 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: and special teams that, yeah, you're gonna need that roster 72 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: in hand. And several times during open practice during training camp, 73 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna be have to look down and say, all right, 74 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: all right, that's that, and then you'll scan somewhere else 75 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: on the field and that same number will pop up 76 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: again and you'll immediately think of that former player and 77 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: you go, wait a second, No, okay, yes, Owen Papo. 78 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: It's all the same. But even at practice, eighteen had 79 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: his back to us, and I'm thinking, hey, J. Green 80 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: looks way different this year. Well, that's because it's rookie 81 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: b j O Jalari. So yeah, their body types are 82 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: a little different. It's just it's funny. It's getting used 83 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: to and it happens every year. As soon as we 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 3: start to get comfortable with these players' names and numbers 85 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: come training camp, they're all going to change, and then 86 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: when the final roster is done, there's still going to 87 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 3: be changes. So we're not going to be comfortable until 88 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: a couple weeks into the season. 89 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: Honestly, it just seems like there's more this offseason compared 90 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: to off seasons before, and that's just because of so 91 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: much change. But look, as we were out there during 92 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: the open portion, and what we can say, Week two, 93 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: day two of OTA's mandatory mini camp is not for 94 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: another two weeks, so not everyone in attendance. No, Buddha 95 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: Baker was not in attendance. So though it was good 96 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: to hear JT say that he and Buddha are working 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: together off site, they're watching film and as we heard 98 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker tell cam Cox of twelve Sports, he'll be 99 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: here when he needs to be here, i e. When 100 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: it's mandatory. 101 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: But that wasn't a real question. I know there's probably 102 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: a slight thought of okay, is Buddha gonna hold in? 103 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: But again, when you think about leverage, Buddha Baker has 104 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: two more years on his contract. He's not in a 105 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: contract year, so a lot of those things that players 106 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: might use for leverage and a contract year don't necessarily 107 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: work in Buddha Baker's favor. I did think it was 108 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: funny again watching Jalen's reaction at the podium when asked 109 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: about how the conversations are with Buddha, what when the 110 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 3: two of them are working out offsite and going through 111 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: things together, and he smiled, and you know, his answers 112 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: what you would expect and probably the truth of like 113 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: that's the business side. You know, it is what it is. 114 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: But it is interesting because his smile. It's like, well, 115 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: they're clearly talking about how Buddha feel and what's going 116 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: on around here, but that you know, it was good 117 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: to hear the video that we're circulating online from that 118 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: interview that cam Cox had. It was good to hear 119 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 3: Buddha's say with a smile, yeah, I'll be there when 120 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 3: it counts. When he was talking about this organization, Buddhas 121 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: still had a smile on his face. It didn't really 122 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: feel like his temperament had changed from before all of 123 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 3: this started, when he went and publicly on social media 124 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: said he was interested in the trade. So so it 125 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: feels like maybe you would think things are on the 126 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 3: right track, whatever that means for both the front office 127 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 3: and for Buddha Baker. This could be completely uncorrelated, but 128 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: you do have to wonder if now releasing DeAndre Hopkins 129 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 3: and being free of him financially next year will help 130 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: set up a new deal for Buddha Baker. I'm not 131 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 3: sure something will happen this year, but maybe having more 132 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: flexibility financially with the cap space, maybe they're coming to 133 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 3: agreement of Hey, like you are a priority, we can't 134 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: do it right now, we can't do it two years 135 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: left on the contract. We are making it work now 136 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: so we can make it work for you in the future. 137 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: That last part that you just said it can't be 138 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: done this offseason, technically it can. I mean if a 139 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: team wants to do no. No, I'm just saying, if 140 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: a team wants to do something, they find a way. 141 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: But it's the and I understand the line of thinking. 142 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker heart soul of the franchise, and you want 143 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: to do right by him because he is the example 144 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: you want everyone to emulate. It's the precedent that it 145 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: sets with a brand new general manager. As far as 146 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: having two years forget the guarantee, not guarantee, but looking 147 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: for something with two years remaining on your contract. Typically 148 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: it's one year remaining. There are some teams that just 149 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: wait until the contract expires. So, yes, there's a difference 150 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: between Buddha Baker and say Humphries, Who's going to be 151 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: in the same boat this time next year. But try 152 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: telling that to the agent. Try telling that to the 153 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: player meaning DJ, It's it's a slippery slope. So I'm 154 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: more of leaning towards what you just said. Look, you 155 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: are a priority, not this offseason. We can't do anything. 156 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: Come back next offseason. And besides this, this idea of 157 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: no guaranteed money this year, answer me this, are you, 158 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: if you're a gentleman, is your money Austin Fort, Are 159 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: you cutting Buddha Baker? No? Okay, so he's on the 160 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: roster week one. His twenty twenty three contract is guaranteed 161 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: if he's on the roster week one, So there's so 162 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: that eliminates that conversation as far as not having guaranteed money. 163 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: You're not cutting Buddha. He's getting his money this year. 164 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: Right. 165 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: I agree, And I think too if there are fans 166 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: who are feeling concerned about this, I think you need 167 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: to give Austin for It a chance. To prove what 168 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 3: he is trying to build, and I think the moves 169 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 3: he has made, not just personnel wise of free agents 170 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: that have been brought in, but I think when you 171 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: look at the financial side of things as well, and 172 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: the decision to release de Hop, I think that things 173 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: are moving in the right direction. And to me, that 174 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: means you are not just setting yourself up to be 175 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: successful this year, you are setting yourself up for long 176 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: term success when it comes to these contracts, so you 177 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: don't have all of these players and how it's been 178 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: in the past, all of these veterans who are more 179 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 3: so nearing the end of their career getting these big contracts, 180 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: and everyone's contract is ending at the same time, and 181 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 3: you're having to do all these things and maneuver around 182 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: cap space and players having holdens, And it seems like 183 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 3: this front office is trying to change that idea and 184 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 3: that it will take time, but they are taking those 185 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: steps in the right direction, which is why I think 186 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: we feel the same way that Buddha Baker will be 187 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: on this roster and he will play this year, and 188 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: I do still think that they find a way to 189 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: get something done with him next year at the earliest 190 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: and again, and that's the earliest because I mean, if 191 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: this is looking way far in advance, I mean, you 192 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: still have the tag option, there's the Cardinals still have 193 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 3: the power here. I'm just saying, I don't think it's 194 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: realistic to expect something new for Boodh Baker this year. 195 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: To your point of the precedent that that would be 196 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: setting moving forward. 197 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: Now saying all that, if for whatever reason Friday next 198 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: week that there's an announcements or we find out something 199 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: was done, it wouldn't surprise me. I'm just I'm going 200 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: off of what you're saying, Danny, that it's that precedent 201 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: and there is a plan in place. There is a 202 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: process that needs to develop and move forward. Let's not 203 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: jump steps in this because as we're all realizing, there 204 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: is a lot to clean up roster wise, salary cap wise, 205 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: to get this team back to where we all want 206 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: it to be, and that is atop the NFC West 207 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: in the postseason. And dare I say making a Super 208 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: Bowl run, which is where Jonathan Gannon was just a couple. 209 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 3: Months ago, some pretty lofty tasks, Craig, There's a lot 210 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: that needs to be done. I will say again it 211 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 3: feels like the changes that have been made financially when 212 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 3: you're talking about the cap space, when it talks about 213 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: the type of culture this coaching staff is creating and 214 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: that the players seem to be buying in. Those are 215 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 3: things you need to take you in the right direction, 216 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: and it's one step at a time. So those are 217 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: some lofty goals you have. Maybe not everything happens at once, 218 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: but it does feel like this organization, again from both 219 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: the front office and personnel side, is moving in the 220 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: right direction together. 221 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: Now, we did not see Buddha on the field, but 222 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: we did somewhat hear from Buddha while his teammates were 223 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: out on the practice field. Because lo and behold Buddha. 224 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: Baker at eleven oh nine Thursday morning tweets the following 225 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: PR today keep climbing and PR means personal record. I'm 226 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: guessing I don't think it's public relations unless you know 227 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: what PR. 228 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: No, you're right, Okay, you're going to do is correct? 229 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: Thank you come we have I'm a slow learner here, 230 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: Danny send. 231 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: Me out different thoughts on the tweet because you thought 232 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: that was that was during the practice, that was during 233 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 3: OTAs and you thought it was intentional to tweet, so 234 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: people saw that while they were watching practice, and to me, 235 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: it sounded more like Buddha. Baker works out in the morning, 236 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: he finished his workout, not surprisingly around the same time 237 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: that he would have been working out here, and he 238 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 3: sent that tweet, which is what he's kind of been 239 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: doing throughout the off season, working on his own. He's 240 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 3: been posting more videos and tweets of that nature. So 241 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: you and I felt a little differently. I think you 242 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 3: thought it was a little more calculated and to me 243 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: was just more coincidental. Timing wise. 244 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: Bottom line is he'll be ready talking about Buddha with Baker, 245 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: and I think this leads to a larger discussion because 246 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: what I think we both are in agreement is you've 247 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: got Buddha, Baker, You've got Jalen Thompson, and Isaiah Simmons 248 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: who continues to work with the safeties as he has 249 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: for over a year now. So that's not a surprise anymore. 250 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: Do we see more of those three players on the 251 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: field at this same time if the strongest position group 252 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: that this team has on either side of the ball 253 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: is the safety position, because of those three players, Buddha, 254 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: JT and Isaiah, you want your best eleven defensively on 255 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: the field, you're playing all three of those, and then 256 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: you try to figure it out from the back end forward. 257 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 3: You and I were discussed this very briefly before we 258 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 3: started recording, and my answer is, yes, I do think 259 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 3: we see the three of them, and I don't think 260 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: it's just because. Let me rewind, Yes, it is partially 261 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: because they are three of your most skilled players on defense, 262 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: and I don't want to take away from that. I 263 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: also think the reason you will likely see the three 264 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: of them out there together, it's because of the lack 265 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: of strength and other areas of your defense. 266 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking cornerback because right now you've got Marco Wilson, 267 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: Antonio Hamilton and some question marks Christian Matthew Garrett Williams, 268 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: who is watching practice but still not able or clear 269 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: to participate coming off that ACL injury. And then defensive line, 270 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: what do you do at the line? As far as 271 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: is it three four two, which we saw all different 272 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: combinations a year ago, As far as how many defensive 273 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,479 Speaker 1: linemen do you have out there that you can trust? 274 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: That's the big thing. 275 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: You don't have the anchors of a Zach Allen or 276 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: JJ Watt you did a year ago, and that's not 277 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: necessarily a knock on the players who are returning, a 278 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: lot of the players who are returning, Jonathan Ledbetter, Rishard 279 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: Lawrence haven't consistently been healthy. So really it's really just 280 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: lucky foe to if you're looking at the players that 281 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: have stayed over and then you've added Carlos Watkins and LJ. 282 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: Collier this offseason. It's hard to say because we haven't 283 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: really truly seen that work, which we won't really get 284 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: to until training camp to see how what the strength 285 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: of your d line really looks like. But from what 286 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: we have seen, it looks like the emphasis is going 287 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: to be on the dbs when you have the strength 288 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: in those three safeties and figuring out a way to 289 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: best utilize your linebacker's core. Of who will be your starters, 290 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: we've figured it's going to be Kaiser White, who will 291 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: probably have the green dot, and who's going to be 292 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: joining him, and I say linebackers including Zaven Collins and 293 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: the wild card that he might be of. Is he 294 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: going to be inside? Is he going to be more outside, 295 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: which is where we have seen him getting this work, 296 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: or is that just because they trust Zavon Collins inside 297 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: so much already that they want him to get this 298 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: extra work outside so he can be versatile. The drop 299 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: of a hat, drop of a pin. What's the saying, 300 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: drop of a hat, drop of a hat. It's not 301 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: a weird you're not wearing. So I think the defensive 302 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: line is your weakest spot on the defense, and I 303 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 3: think you make up for that by having your three 304 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 3: safeties and you try to have better coverage to allow 305 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: you know, more time to rush the quarterback or do 306 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: what you need to do up front. Let those linebackers 307 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: do what they need to do. But I think the 308 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: emphasis is going to have to be in the secondary. 309 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: You play five DB's meaning two corners, three safeties, and 310 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: you figure it out as far as man and man's 311 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: zone or certain spots on the field, and then you 312 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: moved to outside linebacker. And once again we're seeing Zavon 313 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: Collins during OTAs here work specifically at outside linebacker and 314 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: more specifically on Thursday, getting a lot of one on 315 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: one instruction while the rest of his teammates are participating 316 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: in special teams drills. But Zavon and outside linebacker's coach 317 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: Rob Rodriguez really honing in on the details as far 318 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: as hand placement, footwork basics when it comes to rushing 319 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback or getting past the tackle or the tight 320 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: end twice. Now, I'm not ready to say he's permanently 321 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: in edge rusher, sorry, Paul Calvic, but it is certainly 322 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: leaning in that direction. 323 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 3: Let me ask you if you feel this way with 324 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 3: the previous coaching staff. It felt like when we were 325 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 3: out at practice during the season and we saw Zavon 326 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 3: Collins working with the pass rushers, that felt more like 327 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: he was not ready to be the type of player 328 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 3: they needed him to be. An inside linebacker. Jordan Hicks 329 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: was still here. There's a whole lot of moving parts. 330 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: My point being that when we saw him practice, that 331 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: felt more like, let's find a spot for Xavin of 332 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 3: where he can be at his best, give us his best. 333 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 3: Now watching him work with the outside linebackers feels different. 334 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 3: It feels like it's because they trust what zaven Collins 335 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: can do inside, so let's put him outside and really 336 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: have him focus on that aspect because we trust him 337 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: so much inside because of the growth he had last season. 338 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 3: Do you feel the same way where it might look 339 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 3: from the outside end, kind of like a similar circumstance 340 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: when it feels really different. 341 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a necessity because of 342 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: injuries and then the fact that you're a first round 343 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: draft pick. You need to be on the field at 344 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: any position just to play get some reps. But you're 345 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: right this because it's at the start of the off 346 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: season and you just look at that room in general. 347 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: The fact that my J Sanders and Cameron Thomas a 348 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: year ago each had three sacks, and that's your leaders 349 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: in that room as far as production. Eighteen sacks just 350 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: went out the building with a with Zach Allen and 351 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: JJ Watt. So there's not much in that room. And 352 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: if you again go back to play your best eleven 353 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: Xavin Collins is your best eleven, find some place to play. 354 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: And if you're gonna go with Zavin Gardeck, Cameron Thomas, 355 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: my J. Sanders, well there's four outside linebackers with Kaisier White. 356 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna say all four are gonna 357 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: be out there, but if you have a healthy rotation, 358 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: you have more depth at outside linebacker than perhaps you 359 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: do it inside with Simmons now in the secondary, and 360 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: the fact that, as we just discussed, there's not much 361 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: depth at defensive line as far as guys that you 362 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: can trust every single week. 363 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 3: I think it's clear that the coaching staff is trying 364 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 3: to look at how to compensate for where those weaknesses 365 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 3: and strengths are. If I had to make an assumption 366 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 3: this early, the very start of June, I would say 367 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: we will probably see it Zaven Collins spend most of 368 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: his time outside except for certain packages and slide him inside. Again, 369 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: not to discredit what Zavin's ceiling is at that position, 370 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 3: but I think you're also just compensating for otherwise a 371 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: week spot on the defense and trying to do what 372 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 3: you can with who you have. 373 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: And we also should mention bj Ojulari right now is 374 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: not on the field and has got nothing to do that. 375 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: He is the loan draft pick that has yet to 376 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: put pen to paper as far as signing that contract. 377 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: He's nicked up right now. According to head coach Jonathan 378 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: gannons that they're just quote being careful with number eighteen 379 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: I e AJ Green, But it is bj Ojulari. But 380 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: there's another name that, when healthy, you would think based 381 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: off his production in college. Now it's a lot to 382 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: ask from going from LSU to the Arizona Cardinals. How 383 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: much do we see of him on. 384 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: The field, that's a good question. Hopefully he's not an 385 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: adept to the point where he's questionable to be ready 386 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: at the start of training camp. We don't really know 387 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: what that entails. What we saw there when he was 388 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 3: out there. He wasn't using crutches or anything that makes 389 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 3: it seem like some long recovery process. But that'll be 390 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: interesting is when will he be ready and how much 391 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: could he possibly be slowed down in that process from 392 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: not being out on the field. 393 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: Right now, he's watching getting those mental reps like Kyler Murray, 394 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: who once again was present during the open portion of OTA. 395 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: So it's not like Bjay's inside rehabbing. He's outside just 396 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: not participating, but he is watching, listening, and I even 397 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: saw him a couple of times just kind of go 398 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: through the motions a little bit with his hands and 399 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: his feet. So I don't think it's too far away. 400 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: And maybe it's next week or mandatory mini camp, or 401 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: maybe it's something that he's dealing with that Hey, you 402 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: know what, take these couple of weeks off. You're in 403 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: the meeting room, you're watching film and we'll start fresh. 404 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: As far as participating when training camp. 405 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 3: Begins, yeah, there'll be a lot of questions when he 406 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: comes back of what type of injury it was too 407 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 3: of just going to be something that possibly lingers. I mean, 408 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot of questions, But you 409 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: would think that being the high draft pick and being 410 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: out there on the field, getting those mental reps, going 411 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 3: through film, being in meetings, that hopefully should not slow 412 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 3: down that process of being ready when he does step 413 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 3: out onto the field much. 414 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: Just looking at my notes, he did deal with a 415 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: hamstring injury during the pre draft process, so maybe that 416 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: popped up again, who knows, But bottom line is he 417 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: is out on the field, just not participating at the moment. 418 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: All right, let's switch it over to what we saw 419 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: off that as we continue here on Cardinals cover two 420 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: percent by a Hundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 421 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: We had a chance to hear from yell to Froholdt, 422 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: the twenty six year old center, and I'm not sure 423 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: if I'm ready to say starting center, but right now, 424 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: the only player on the offensive line with any kind 425 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: of center experience, starting experience, and those were four games 426 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: a year ago playing for the Cleveland Browns. But yell 427 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: defroh Holt certainly appears ready to be that guy if 428 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: called upon, and right now, if there was a game 429 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: played this weekend, Danny, he is your starting center, and 430 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: to me that's a little concerning based off the inexperience. 431 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: But it's June first, not September first. 432 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: It's also concerning because you don't really know what the 433 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: rest of your offensive line is going to look like. 434 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: I would feel a lot more comfortable if center were 435 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: the only position where there were question marks, but that's 436 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 3: simply not the case. And that's not necessarily a knock 437 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 3: on yelled at roe Holt. But how much of this 438 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 3: is he is a starting caliber center and how much 439 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 3: is he's the most starting caliber center we have on 440 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: our roster at the moment. He was great with the media, 441 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: though I'll say that his personality was fantastic, as is 442 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: most offensive lineman, so that he kept it pretty fun. 443 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: Asked about playing center, said quote, it's been awesome so far, 444 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: so good. 445 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: It just. 446 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: I don't fear his confidence level at playing the position. 447 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: But I'll go back to when Darren Urban did a 448 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: story on fro Holt back in May and mentioned quote 449 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: kind of got thrown into the fire a little bit, 450 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: meaning his time with the Browns as far as starting 451 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: those four games, because the top three centers all landed 452 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: on injured reserve, so the last resort was fro Holdt, 453 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: and here with the Cardinals, it's the number one option. 454 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: I still think there's a chance that the way the 455 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: offensive line we think looks right now June one is 456 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 3: not what the offensive line will look like when the 457 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: season starts, or even really with preseason. 458 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: Are you expecting a move at the center position from 459 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: outside or someone else? 460 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 3: I e. 461 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: John Gaines, who's getting work at center? 462 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 3: I don't know that I would say John Gaines. I 463 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 3: think maybe if Lacidas Smith, I know we didn't play 464 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: games with that where he was getting all of his 465 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: reps last year, Was it center? Or maybe you bring 466 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 3: somebody else in with a little more starting experience. There's 467 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: just you're not going to have your starting quarterbacks, so 468 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: you're now having a center that doesn't have a lot 469 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: of experience starting working with backup quarterbacks, and we don't 470 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 3: know who's going to be next to him. We don't 471 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 3: know what the guards are going to look like right now, 472 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: I don't know who's filling those spots, So there's just 473 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: a lot of question marks that make me feel really hesitant. 474 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 3: And it's not necessarily just on fro Hold out at center. 475 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 3: It's just the offensive line as a whole, because there 476 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 3: are players who have the talent and the versatility. We 477 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: just don't know where anybody's going to fit quite yet. 478 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: Cannon had a great response when asked about center, quote, 479 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: as long as we can get it back there, meaning 480 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: snapping the football. He also brought up making the correct 481 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: line calls and obviously protecting the quarterback. You also have 482 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: to figure in and factor in Colt McCoy's experience at 483 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. How much could he help? I wouldn't 484 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: say inexperienced, yelled to fro Holt, but considering that there 485 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: are only four starts at center under his belt over 486 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: four seasons, how much a veteran quarterback, how much Colt 487 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: could help not only fro Hold, but everyone else of 488 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: those five guys that are in charge of protecting him 489 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: and open up rushing lines. 490 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: I don't doubt that. 491 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: I mean. 492 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 3: Frohold even said that in his press conference on Thursday, 493 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: is that Colt has been one of those players who's 494 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 3: been really helpful when it comes to he left, he said, 495 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 3: not necessarily with route running, but with communication and reading 496 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 3: the defense and the cadence and all of that kind 497 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 3: of stuff. And I would imagine Colt is that way 498 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: with not just for Holt in the centers, but with 499 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 3: everyone on the offense. 500 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: For Holt the Danish army knife, he was proud of 501 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: that joke. Can play some fullback, some tight end. He 502 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: mentioned that he played a little bit last season, and 503 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: obviously both guard and center. But yeah from Denmark, so 504 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: not the Swift's army knife, but the Danish army knife. 505 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: Pretty clever. You like that, I do funny. 506 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: I also had some good things to say about Paris 507 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: Johnson Junior and John Gaines as far as where they are, 508 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,239 Speaker 1: as far as they're learning and billing, being willing to 509 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: make mistakes and not feel bad about those mistakes or 510 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: be down on themselves, but make the mistakes now, don't 511 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: repeat those mistakes, learned from them, so you're ahead of 512 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: the game once the regular season starts. Depending on what 513 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: happens with either of them. As far as where they're playing, 514 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm still going out on a limb, saying, based off 515 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: everything that I've seen that Paris continues to be right 516 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: of center. Now is that right tackle or right guard? 517 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: But he continues to be on that side of the 518 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. 519 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: That is what it is appearing to be, and that 520 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 3: doesn't entirely feel like that's because of the holes you 521 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 3: have with veterans who have not been out here yet. 522 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: It's just again it's wondering of are they going to 523 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 3: have him compete with Calvin Beacham to be a right tackle? 524 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 3: Are they gonna put Paris Johnson at right guard and 525 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 3: you're gonna move Will Hernandez over. There's just so many 526 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: different But what are you gonna do with Josh Jones, 527 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 3: who has also been getting some reps on the right side. 528 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 3: It's just I don't know, Craig, and I know it's early. 529 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: It's just there's a lot of options and. 530 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 1: A little frustrating because we don't have the answers. Although 531 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: you don't have a game to play this weekend yet, 532 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: at the same time, would you feel a little bit 533 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: better that there weren't this many questions about this team 534 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: here on June first? Or is it hey it's the offseason. 535 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: This is where you experiment a little bit, figure out 536 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: and to borrow Ganning's favorite phrase, figure out what these 537 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: players do best and put them in position to succeed. 538 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of both. This is 539 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 3: the time to experiment and see who fits best where 540 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 3: and next to whom. And especially with the new coaching 541 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: staff and a lot of new faces on this team, 542 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: I get that again, there's just a lot of other 543 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 3: variables that there's lots of positions. On the offensive line, 544 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: this isn't just one. You're not going to have your 545 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: starting quarterback, so you're having to figure out cohesiveness there. 546 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 3: You just lost your top receiver in DeAndre Hopkins. There's 547 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: just a lot of moving parts to where it doesn't 548 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 3: feel as comfortable. Maybe if other parts of this offense 549 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: were set in stone where okay, we have a few questions, 550 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: these question marks feel a lot bigger because there's so 551 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: many of them at so many positions. 552 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: Leave me with this as far as offensive line and 553 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: specifically Paris Johnson Junior, because I think this is a 554 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:20,479 Speaker 1: perfect segue here to episode two of season two of 555 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: Game On and once again Danny Sirek putting her unbeaten 556 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: record on the line in season two against Paris Johnson 557 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: Junior in. 558 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 3: What Guess Who? 559 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: I gotta admit I'm kind of ware with Paris on 560 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: this if. For those of mine have seen it, go 561 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: to the Cardinal's official YouTube channel, But I'm with Paris. 562 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: I didn't play Guess. 563 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 3: Who not to be rude Craig, but that's fine. I'm 564 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 3: closer in age to Paris than I am to you, 565 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: So it was shocking to know that I had to 566 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: explain a game that I spent a lot of my 567 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 3: childhood playing to Paris before we got started, which was fun. 568 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 3: But no, he was. He's great. He's had got such 569 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: a great personality and seems like he's got a great 570 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 3: head on his shoulders and is such a hard worker. 571 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 3: And I like that this series you get to know 572 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: these players as people and not in the stereotypical one 573 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 3: on one interview fashion just sitting down in a chair 574 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: in a studio. But we're playing games that bring out 575 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 3: their fun competitive side. The first episode was with Davin 576 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 3: Collins on a putting Green. Episode two is with Paris 577 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 3: Johnson Junior playing guests Who, and there's going to be 578 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: more throughout the offseason, but yes, official YouTube channel, maybe 579 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 3: on the website Twitter YouTube channel. 580 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: Though now it's already been posted, so for those of 581 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: might have missed it, we can reveal exactly who won 582 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: or dare I say what did not happen? Because I'm 583 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: just gonna go out out and say it a tie, 584 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: Danny is unacceptable? Game you didn't. Let's go with the 585 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: rubber match. 586 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 3: G say, we are under especially with the rookies a 587 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: certain time constraint with the days that they are out 588 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 3: here and how much time we have and getting everything 589 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: set up. So we did end it on a tie, 590 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 3: one to one. I'm sure we'll hear from him in 591 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,959 Speaker 3: the future, maybe another game on down the road. But 592 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 3: I left him on a tie, especially because it was 593 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: his first time playing, so I gave him a little slack. 594 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: All right? 595 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: Episode three? Is there a tease out there that you 596 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: can give everyone? 597 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: Not confirmed enough to tease it? I will when it's confirmed. 598 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: Let's to tease in of itself. 599 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: Right there we go. 600 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: By the way, Paris is scheduled to throw out the 601 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: first pitch at Friday's Diamondbacks game. In fact, the entire 602 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: I believe most, if not all, the rookies are going 603 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: to be at that game on Friday. Should be a 604 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: good one too. The Atlanta Braves are in town their 605 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: first place in the NL East. In fact, you got 606 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: the top two teams in the National League playing this weekend. 607 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: And let's go back to an earlier conversation, Danny, are 608 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: you still paying attention to baseball? 609 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: Define paying attention? Am I watching games on my TV? No? 610 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 3: Have I been to more games in person since Opening Day? No? 611 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 3: I didn't even go on Opening Day. It was the 612 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 3: opening weekend. No, that's not to say I wouldn't have interest. 613 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: I just haven't gone. Now I do have the alerts 614 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: on my phone and like I follow them on Twitter. 615 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 3: So I am staying in the know and I know 616 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: that they are doing very well in the nationally Yep. 617 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: What division? 618 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 2: Now? 619 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? What division within the. 620 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 3: National I'm going to go on a limb and say 621 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 3: the West very coo. Wow, great context close there. So 622 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 3: I have been paying attention more so than I have 623 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: in the past, and that is a success. 624 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: What about your team in the American League? 625 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 3: I also know the Texas Rangers have been doing pretty well. 626 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 3: I don't It's the same deal. I kind of have 627 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 3: follow people and the teams on Twitter. I've got the 628 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 3: alerts on and that's kind of that's good for me 629 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 3: right now. 630 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: Well, considering you're back or you're making an effort to 631 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,479 Speaker 1: get back into the game, you pick the Diamondbacks, who 632 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: as we speak are just a half game back of 633 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: the Dodgers for first place, and the Rangers, who are 634 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: in first place in the American League West. So I 635 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: think maybe it's people need to pay attention to who 636 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: you're paying attention to and then follow there. 637 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 3: I'm pretty important, Craig, so I would agree with that 638 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: they should pay attention to what I'm paying attention to. 639 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm the good luck charm. 640 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: By the way, the Rangers will be in town later 641 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: in August playing the Diamondbacks August twenty first and twenty second. 642 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: I looked it up. 643 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 3: There's a roof at Chase Field, right, Yes there is? Okay, 644 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 3: then maybe okay. 645 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: And if you miss that, your Rangers will be in Minnesota, 646 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: Rangers when you and the rest of the Cardinals content 647 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: and creative team are waiting for the Cardinals Vikings joint 648 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: practices before that third preseason game. 649 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that could be fun. Does wherever whatever Minnesota's ballpark 650 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 3: is called have a roof. 651 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: I do not believe it does. 652 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm a maybe. I'm a maybe on that one. 653 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 3: We'll see. 654 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: Are you looking forward to the trip to Minnesota? 655 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 3: I am. I think it'll be fun. I know that 656 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 3: their practice facility is pretty new and supposed to be 657 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 3: beautiful at a blast when we went to Minnesota last season, 658 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 3: that stadium is magnificent. The endgame entertainment was a lot 659 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 3: of fun. I'm excited. I feel like it's gonna be 660 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 3: a good group. They've got enough also big names where 661 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 3: I feel like it's going to be some fun, competitive 662 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 3: spirited practices. You know, get to see Jordan Hicks, by 663 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 3: Ra Murphy again justin Jefferson. So I think it's gonna 664 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 3: be a good time. 665 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: And let's hope it's multiple practices as opposed to just 666 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: the one that was. I have a feeling there, like 667 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: half a practice a year ago in Tennessee. 668 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 3: I have a feeling there will be more than half 669 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 3: a practice between these two teams. 670 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 671 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: By the way, the Cardinals will be at home for 672 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: the those first two preseason games and the third preseasonson 673 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: game at Minnesota on August twenty six, The Cardinals getting 674 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: kicked out of State Farm Stadium because of the Beyonce 675 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: concerts two days before on the twenty fourth. And if 676 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: you're looking for tickets the preseason or regular season, Azycardinals 677 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: dot Com forward slash buy tickets. All good, Danny, I'm great. 678 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 3: How are you. 679 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm doing very well. 680 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 3: Awesome. 681 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure to have you here on Cardinals 682 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: Cover two. 683 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to be here, Greg, all right. 684 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: And on that note, we'll leave it on a positive notes. 685 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: We'll put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, 686 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, pro partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, 687 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Joe Malmhindro for Danny Surrek. 688 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: I'm Craig Rayel Lou. We'll talk to you next time 689 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two.