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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 2: facts and figures behind your favorite TV shows, movies, music,

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Speaker 2: and more. We are your two here, suit frontmen of hagiography.

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Speaker 2: You're virtuosic guitarists of verification. Your rhythm section of perfectly

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Speaker 2: competent rhythm sections. I'm Alex Hegel and.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jordan Broun. Talk. That's very good. That's a good one.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and Jordan. Today we're talking about what is

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Speaker 2: surely the second most important work of art called nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty four in history.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about George Orwell's nineteen eighty four. Ah No,

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Speaker 2: we are talking about the van Halen album of the

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Speaker 2: same name. Vastly superior as far as I'm concerned, Sorry, nerd,

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Speaker 2: what of the human experience that cannot be encapsulated in jump?

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Speaker 2: Do I need to concern myself with certainly more quotable?

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Speaker 2: That's right, we are talking about van Halen's nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 2: which turned forty in January.

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Speaker 1: How about that? That's insane.

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Speaker 2: That's forty still sounds brand new baby Jordan. I know

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Speaker 2: neither of us are particularly into eighties metal, but I

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Speaker 2: confess that I have a real soft spot for Van Halen.

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Speaker 2: They had an amazing logo, you know, they had a

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Speaker 2: cool VF flying wing thing. They had Eddie. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think it was in one of theh ones extravaganzas.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, greatest artists of hard rock. And

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Speaker 2: I forget who it was actually who said this about

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Speaker 2: Eddie van Halen, but it's a sound. But I've always

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Speaker 2: remembered where they said he is one of the only

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Speaker 2: guitarists to invent a new vocabulary on the instrument. And

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Speaker 2: what they were saying was that all your big dinosaur

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Speaker 2: rock guitar gods like clapt In, Pay and the rest,

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Speaker 2: poor Jeff beck Oh always a bridesmid and all of

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Speaker 2: their wand pale imitators like Joe Perry and the rest,

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Speaker 2: they were all just stealing the blues, whereas Eddie Van

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Speaker 2: Halen came in with this neo classical sensibility. And I'm

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Speaker 2: sure there's some boomer rock guitars out there who's gonna

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Speaker 2: wag their finger and say Ingveay Molmstein did it first

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Speaker 2: or somebody else did some kind of neoclassical informed virduos

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Speaker 2: like shred First. But you know, I think that for

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Speaker 2: this style of guitar playing in the popular imagination, eruption

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Speaker 2: is like ground zero for this stuff, right, Like it

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Speaker 2: was just like the new thing you had to aspire to, right,

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Speaker 2: and that is so insanely rare in the art form,

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Speaker 2: you know, in any art form, right It's like Jackson

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Speaker 2: Pollock or roth Go or somebody, Like how does somebody

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Speaker 1: Well, if you want to go by rock and roll rules, yeah,

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Speaker 1: funny yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Just nope, wipes the slate clean. And it's just like

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Speaker 2: here is this new vocabulary, a new language that you

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Speaker 2: have to come across. You know, even Brian May who

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Speaker 2: has like an incredibly distinct voice on his instrument, Like

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Speaker 2: you can hear a lot of blues in there, and

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Speaker 2: you can hear like English music hall. You know, what

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Speaker 2: are you hearing in Eddie van Halen's like in his

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Speaker 2: like I you know, piano, it's piano because he was

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Speaker 2: like a piano kid problegy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, raised on Mozart and Bach, right, but like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like the fact that that I don't know,

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Speaker 2: it's insane. I could wax philosophical about Eddie van Halen

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Speaker 2: for a long time. And then also David Lee Roth,

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Speaker 2: one of the most hilarious human beings who ever existed,

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Speaker 2: just like the perfect combination of like Louis Prima style

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there were others in this band. I'm also told.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I'm just I'm getting something in my ear right now.

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Speaker 1: There are two more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually, Michael Anthony is he's a great basis. And

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Speaker 2: if you I mean people, there are people who stay

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Speaker 2: that that Eddie van Halen, because let me tell you,

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Speaker 2: I read a lot of weird forums when I was

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Speaker 2: writing this. There are people who maintained that eddievan Halen

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Speaker 1: But there's some really impressive stuff on some of those.

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Speaker 2: Early van Halen base lines, like everybody wants some even

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Speaker 2: for Teacher, man, like, that's fast and it sounds garbage

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Speaker 2: enough recording wise to have not been recorded by Eddie,

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Speaker 2: but apparently there's debate on that. I also listen to

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Speaker 2: more than almost anything else I've ever listened to.

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Speaker 1: Was this because you're trying to get David Lee Roth's

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Speaker 2: Part on the drump part, Yeah, I know, I mean

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Speaker 2: can say if I could bring that back later on. No,

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Speaker 2: but Van Halen always seemed to be in on the joke.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's one thing that I really loved about them,

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Speaker 2: And even Eddie, who I think, despite his kind of

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Speaker 2: and just like grinning through these insane feats of redefining

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Speaker 1: This is fun for me.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is gonna make all of you insane

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Speaker 2: for the next fifty years. But I'm just having a ball.

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Speaker 2: know what, it's always a good day when you're listening

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Speaker 2: to Van Halen. It's just like, yeah, man, it's just

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Speaker 2: some reason, the weed is weak and the nights are warm. Brother,

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Speaker 1: That's up there with your college professor defending disco by

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Speaker 1: saying everybody deserves to dance. These are beautiful. You have

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Speaker 1: You've got some really beautiful little gems that that that.

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Speaker 2: found a soundboard here. I have a clip for that.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you all about it, tell me all about it.

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Speaker 1: You know. I got to agree with you. The thing

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Speaker 2: It was a mistake.

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Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. You know. We were talking earlier today.

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Speaker 1: I said this, and I mean it. I love Van

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Speaker 1: Halen through your eyes, and you you described it in

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Speaker 2: I sent you so much to listen to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I told you I did, didn't I deep cuts.

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Speaker 1: I listened to some of it when pressed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: It's like Tommy Lee Jones to Jim Carrey. I just

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Speaker 1: can't sanction their buffoonery. You know, Lord knows, I've put

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Speaker 1: Halen's music made me hate the eighties and the eighties well, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't really think you can begrudge

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Speaker 2: the like idiotic toxic masculinity that you get from you know,

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Speaker 2: a generation prior to the garbage that we associate with

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Speaker 2: the late nineteen seventies. You know, they're while we associate Well,

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Speaker 2: this is certainly their biggest album, and Jump is like

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Speaker 1: That's right, David Lee Roth. I mean he has a

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Speaker 2: metal front man. It's hilarious, not a pitch that.

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Speaker 1: You immediately right now, you're right, you're right.

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Speaker 2: His backflips come on. But I mean, yeah, he's exhausting,

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Speaker 2: and so much of it collapsed into just like rancorish

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Speaker 2: have nineteen eighty four, I'll always have Panama.

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Speaker 1: I will say, the one song that I do sort

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Speaker 1: of have a soft spot for is a Jump as

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Speaker 1: done by mister Paul Anka, who, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: my new friend and colleague, producing his talk show Our

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Speaker 2: Thank you nice?

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Speaker 2: Well, aside from the obvious plethora of hits that nineteen

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Speaker 2: was the group's last in their Imperial era before David

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Speaker 2: Lee Roth quit or was fired.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that, dude?

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Speaker 2: You have a Eddie was blackout drunk for like twenty years,

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Speaker 2: the way of a good story, as the saying goes

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Speaker 2: so hard to actually unless you're finding like I'm sure

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Speaker 2: there's like an eight hundred page Van Halen biography that

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Speaker 2: I have not read where someone really drilled down into

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Speaker 2: and I'm told that there were other guys too. There

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Speaker 2: Other songs came out to my knowledge.

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Speaker 1: So you're not a Sammy Hagar guy.

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Speaker 2: You're you're gonna overtake me in the stack?

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Speaker 2: No, that's David's life story.

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Speaker 1: Day's father was a wealthy eye surgeon who bankrolled a

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Speaker 2: an inveterate tinker. Wow, I never thought of that. I

434
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: wonder if Yeah, I mean, much like Brian May, he

435
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: like cobbled together his first guitar out of scraps And.

436
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: Is that the Frankenstrats. No, that's not the frank Constrats.

437
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: He's had like seven Frankenstrats as far as but I

438
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: think the first one that he made, like the original

439
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: U was like a cobbled together thing, and that's the

440
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: one that people have been chasing the like tone of

441
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 2: for decades because of supposedly how he wound the pickups

442
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: or how he wired it, or like the exact mythical

443
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: production year of the tubes that his Marshall lampad like

444
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: it's really insane but eighty Also, as you got money,

445
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: started to invest in cooler and weirder new keys. Fair

446
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: warnings hear about it later was written on piano. He

447
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: used an electro harmonic synth on the track Sunday Afternoon

448
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: in the Park, which whips. It sounds like John Carpenter,

449
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: pull that up for you. I think I sent this

450
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: to you and you did not listen to it.

451
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: Apparently I know I did. I did listen to this one.

452
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: I no, no, I.

453
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: I did higel I did? I really did.

454
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: It's so great. It's like, yeah, when you delve into

455
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: these weird B sides, you're just like, were you guys on?

456
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: And the answer is cocaine and schlitz and vodka. That's

457
00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: so good it belongs in like an Italian zombie movie.

458
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: One of the final straws, though, was he wrote a

459
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: riff on the mini Moog synthesizer and that was interpolated

460
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: or somehow became diver Downs dancing in the Streets, which

461
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: is not one of their better covers, and he was

462
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: extremely upset about that. He said, Ted and Dave were

463
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: happy and I wasn't so. In late nineteen eighty three,

464
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: Eddie had begun a two front defense of his love

465
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: of keys and his need to ascertain creative control in

466
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: the band, which manifested in fifty one fifty home studio

467
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: he built with engineer Don Landy.

468
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: The name is famously taken from the California Police Code

469
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: for an involuntary hold an immensely disturbed person subtle. We know,

470
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: we know a lot about that from working at page

471
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: six of People.

472
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah, famously exercised on Brittany and Amanda millions, right yeah,

473
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: So away from the naysayings of Roth and Templeman, Eddie

474
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: could craft synth based songs from the ground up, and

475
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: that was basically all he was able to do, because

476
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: no one would know this except for weirdos. But building

477
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: a studio sucks, and especially back then when you were

478
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: installing a tape machine and wiring all the patch bays

479
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: in through those old ass consoles. So nineteen eighty four

480
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: actually took the longest of any of the band's records.

481
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: To track three months, as compared to varying timeframes of

482
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: five days. I think for their debut in two weeks,

483
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: and all those were done at Sunset Sound. I'm pretty

484
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: sure with Templeman so on the album, Eddie mostly played

485
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: an Oberheim OBXa synthesizer. He also had an ob eight synth.

486
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: Nerds go nuts googling that the title track on nineteen

487
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 2: eighty four is called from forty three minutes of Eddie

488
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: just noodling around with his engineer Don Landy recording him

489
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: and then just cut it together and uh yeah. Doing

490
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: that as a lead into jump could be seen as

491
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: like a power move, a kind of assertion, like, hey,

492
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: we're doing synths on this one.

493
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: You said that the engineer was recording him secretly all

494
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: those forty three minutes. Why was he Why was he

495
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: being recorded? See?

496
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: I mean I guess, I guess he was just dicking

497
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: around and the tape was running. Would be in my bet,

498
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: but my god, that is a lot of synth noodling.

499
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: That's what they used to do with the Beatles too,

500
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: is that they would the people who ran Abbey Road

501
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: would tell the engineers and tape operators like, yeah, don't

502
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: listen when they call, you know, call out for takes

503
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: and stuff. Just leave the tape running the whole time

504
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: because it's the Beatles and there could be gold on there.

505
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: Probably knew that someday there'd be the anthology collection.

506
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: I was saying, Boy, did they milk that one?

507
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: Dry?

508
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

509
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: The main synth rift to Jump was actually written as

510
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: early as nineteen eighty one and rejected by the other

511
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: members of the band. According to a Rolling Stone interview,

512
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: Eddie said the reaction was, we don't need that. Somewhat hilariously,

513
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: Daryl Hall has claimed that Eddie Van Halen told him

514
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: personally the synth part from Jump was copied from the

515
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: piano part of Kiss on My List, charitably adding, I

516
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with that.

517
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: That's really funny. I was assigned to write they call

518
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: them pre bits, premature obituary for Daryl Hall, so I

519
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: was working on that earlier today.

520
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: Is he on his way out?

521
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: No?

522
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: But they just you know, they never know, and I

523
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: forgot that kind of completing the circle here, Michael Jackson

524
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: approached him and apologized for jack and the riff from

525
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: No Can Do I can't go for that. For Billy

526
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: Jean so Darrell Starrell Hall claiming that two massive songs

527
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: were jacked from him.

528
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, supposedly Daryl Hall was also tapped for the

529
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: lead vocalist position in Van Halen after DLR Diamond Dave exited.

530
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Who said that? Did Daryl Hall say that?

531
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 5: Or no?

532
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but yes, almost.

533
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: Certainly, not like that rumor that Michael Bolton was considered

534
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: to take over for I think Ozzie in Black Sabbath,

535
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: there's a rumor and then he debunked that years later.

536
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like that stuff is not

537
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: actually as far off as a lot of people think

538
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: it might be. I mean, we have the Metallica doc

539
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: where they just like when they were trying to find

540
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: a bass player, they just cycled through everybody in LA

541
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: who could play bass. So it's kind of not that

542
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: far afield to think that they were just like waving

543
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: checks in front of anybody that they thought had a

544
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: good voice or whatever. But Michael Bolton is funny David.

545
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: In that same Rolling Stone feature, Eddie says that he

546
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: still has the original tape of that demo, on which

547
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: you can can hear his then wife Valerie Bertinelli yelling

548
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: shut up. Oh, and the van Halen brothers wanted to

549
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: call their band rat Salad with an E on the

550
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: end of it, which is a reference to a Black

551
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: Sabbath song. And it was Diamond Dave who convinced them

552
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: that their name sounded classier.

553
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right

554
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: back with more too much information in just a moment.

555
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: David Roth really didn't like keyboards in general, but especially

556
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: the part on jump. He apparently wailed, you're a guitar hero,

557
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: nobody wants to see you playing keyboards. In his nineteen

558
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: ninety eight autobiography Crazy from the Heat, he characterized van

559
00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: Halen's music in this period as quote morose, but Eddie

560
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: dug in his heel, saying, if I want to play

561
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: tuba or Bavarian cheese whistle, I'll do it. What is

562
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: that a Bavarian? No?

563
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: That's maybe my favorite part of the isolated vocal track

564
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: from Running with the Devil that David Lee Roth brought

565
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 2: a slide whistle into the vocal booth with him so

566
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: that he could play it in between his vocal interjections.

567
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: Do you think that he was just calling Eddie van

568
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: Halen's bluff? And was like, all right, well, maybe yeah play.

569
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: There's a number of incredible Pool quotes from that Rolling

570
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: Stone feature that I would like to surface at this time.

571
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 2: David Lee Roth, upon being asked if he could assess

572
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: a Bruce Springsteen show as quote the most awesome thing

573
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: he's ever seen. Honey, I can go to White Castle

574
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: and look in the bag and say, this is the

575
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: most awesome thing I've ever seen. Pete Townsend on Eddie

576
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: van Halen. That incredible virtuosity, combined with that beautiful grin

577
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: allows me to forgive him for letting David Lee Roth

578
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: stand in front of him. Eddie on rejecting the usual

579
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: trappings of being a teenage boy in California to study

580
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: the guitar. I just basically locked myself in a room

581
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: for four or five years and said to myself, Hey,

582
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: this guitar is never going to me in the ass

583
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: what I put into it, it gives me back.

584
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: How literally do you think we were talking here? He's

585
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: just very concerned.

586
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: About maybe bassist Michael Anthony on the first time he

587
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: ever saw David Lee Roth perform. I just went Jesus Christ,

588
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: get this guy away from me. David Lee Roth responded

589
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: to the adage that money can't buy happiness. Maybe not,

590
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: but I could buy a boat big enough to sail

591
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: up right next to it. Alex van Halen at a

592
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: backstage party, I wish I had more than one Dick

593
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: David Lee Roth's point in summation of the life of

594
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: a touring musician. After cloud dancing for two hours, what

595
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 2: then you get lonely? The world is not made of

596
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: New York cities or Los Angeles' and Dallas is. It's

597
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: made of tunea fish Wyoming and lone ranger Oklahoma. Iways

598
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 2: make the joke. Yeah you're lonely, You're lonely in your

599
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: lear jet, but it does happen. You feel like you're

600
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: chasing the ice cream truck through the rain.

601
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: WHOA Okay. I was about to make fun of all

602
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: that until that kicker gut punch yeah from Diamond Dave Baby,

603
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: what's cloud dancing?

604
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: I think he just means being on stage.

605
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: It was actually a vowed synth enemy, producer Ted Templeman,

606
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: who convinced David Lee Roth to give the whole synth

607
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: thing a shot. Roth supposedly was then driven around in

608
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: the back seat of his nineteen fifty one Mercury Custom

609
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: convertible by Roady Larry Holster. As he repeatedly listened to

610
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: the instrumental track hired by news footage of a suicidal

611
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: man standing on the ledge of a building, Roth reasoned

612
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: that someone in the crowd must have thought at one point,

613
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: go ahead and jump, a thought that really could have

614
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: only occurred to David Lee Roth, the son of a

615
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: wealthy doctor who really had a lot of impatience and

616
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: just really a lot of trouble controlling, is it? Yeah,

617
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: so go ahead and jump that that thought, that intrusive

618
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: thought apparently morphed into being a co on for taking

619
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: a chance on someone with lines allegedly cribbed from strippers

620
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: that Roth overheard. How I mean, oh not, how I

621
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: understand how he would have been around strippers. Yeah, I okay, The.

622
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 2: Lyrics don't scan with a ton of depth to that song.

623
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, David Lee Roth recorded the vocals to Jump in

624
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: a single afternoon, and then the song was off to

625
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: the proverbial race, and davidly Roth was probably off to

626
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: the literal races. He strikes me as a guy who

627
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: uh gambler, who goes and visits the horses every now

628
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: and then my favorite.

629
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: One of my other favorite bits of them around this

630
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 2: time is that he traveled with two little people as

631
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: part of his personal entourage, who wore security T shirts

632
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: just for the visual gag uh.

633
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: When it came time to make a video for Jump,

634
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: the band didn't go in anywhere near as high concept

635
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: as the video they did for Hot for Teacher, which

636
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: we'll talk about later. Rather, David Lee Roth wanted to

637
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: focus on his karate kicks and flips, which, as you

638
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: note here in the script, are quite impressive, and they are,

639
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: but all that footage didn't end up being used until

640
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: it came time to make the video for Panama. So instead,

641
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: for Jump, hey, that's.

642
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: So much song rules.

643
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: So instead, the band shot a candid performance video and

644
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: handheld sixteen millimeters cameras at the Complex Small Theater in

645
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: Hollywood Santa Monica Boulevard. Director Pete Angelis said in I

646
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: Want My MTV, The Uncensored History of the Music Video Revolution.

647
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: Rather than doing something bigger than life, which is how

648
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: Van Halem was perceived, we wanted something very personal. Let's

649
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: see if we can get Edward to smile. Of course,

650
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: that's all it took. Of course, we also had to

651
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: appease Dave, who wanted the Throwers karate kicks into the equation.

652
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: I think we spent less money making Jump than we

653
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: did on having pizzas delivered to the set of Hot

654
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: for Teacher.

655
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah it's a cute video, though, Yeah it is. Jump,

656
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 2: of course, went on to be the band's loan number

657
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: one hit, where it stayed for five weeks and has

658
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: since become an immortal staple at bars, cover band nights,

659
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: and sporting events, including soccer clubs in France and Italy

660
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: and the NHL's Winnipeg Jets. So truly an international anthem

661
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: for all of us, although it did lose the Grammy

662
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: that year to Prince's Purple Rain, which is fair. The

663
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: album's next track, Panama, also became one of the band's

664
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: defining hints. Roth has said, and like any good classic

665
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: raw quote machine, anything, any quote of his should be

666
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: taken with a salt shaker that a journalist at one

667
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: point grilled him about why he only wrote lyrics about partying, sex,

668
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: and cars and diamond Dave subsequently realized he hadn't yet

669
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: written a song about a car, so he set out

670
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: to write that wrong.

671
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: He leaves the interview, He rips his head, thumps off,

672
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: leaves the radio studio. Whoever's doing the interview.

673
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 2: Would not surprise me at all. True to form, the

674
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: lyrics are basically just a series of double entendres about

675
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: cars and women, and the name of the song, though confusingly,

676
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: is of course not a reference to the country or

677
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: the palindrome. A man a plan Panama a canal. I

678
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: think I did that wrong.

679
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a man of Panama.

680
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: No, it's a man of planed canal, A man of plan.

681
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: Two things can be true at the same time. Handle.

682
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna pursue this. If you were a

683
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: loved one. Note how that talent trum ghosts please get

684
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: in touch with.

685
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: Us, tweeted us and a man We've.

686
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: Got Canal Panama. It is about one of two memorable

687
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: cars in Roth's life, a drag racer he once saw

688
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: named Panama Express, or a nineteen sixty nine Opal Cadet

689
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: station wagon that was once mounted on a wall of

690
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: his home featuring a prop deer smashing through a windshield.

691
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: This was part of an art installation properly titled My

692
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: First Deer. Despite this confusion, there is a documented car

693
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: associated with the song. For Panama, Eddie drove his nineteen

694
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: seventy two Lamborghini Mura s around Los Angeles to find

695
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: just the right RPM for the record. It was eighty

696
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: thousand that the car sounded best at, and then he

697
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: just backed it up to their home studio and placed

698
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: microphones at its exhaust pipe to capture the sound heard

699
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: on the bridge of the song. He did tell a

700
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: Guitar World in twenty fourteen that when the guys once

701
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: asked me to write something with an ac DC beat,

702
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: that ended up being Panama. It doesn't really sound that

703
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: much like ac DC, but that was my interpretation of it.

704
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: Was this the era? What were we talking about? I

705
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: was thriller when they were like trying dozens of different

706
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: doors to get the doors squeak. Oh yeah, god, this era.

707
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

708
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna just make you listen

709
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: to this because because I got you here and this

710
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: payback for Titanic.

711
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: Love.

712
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: That Wambi bar amazing. You know. It's like they said

713
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: about Jimmy Page, it is virtuosity hammered. It's like there's

714
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: just so much in there that is just like a

715
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: guy with just complete master of this instrument, just winging

716
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: it because he can.

717
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: It's like I could be better, but I don't feel

718
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: like it.

719
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had seventeen Schlitzes today. Oh yeah, the brown sound.

720
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: How much do you want me to actually go into this?

721
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: All I can think of is that South Buck episode

722
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: with the brown note.

723
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: That the brown note. No, you know, there's actual, like,

724
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: there is actual theory behind the idea of the brown note,

725
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: which is that certain frequencies, like low enough frequencies, can

726
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: affect your bowels. Yeah, but just the body. I mean,

727
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: there's there's a UK proto punk band called Throbbing Gristle

728
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: who had a bunch of like old army gear that

729
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: were like signal generators and just weird kind of frequency

730
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: generators that they ran through amps and just like to

731
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: create this wall of sound and it would make people

732
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: throw up at gigs.

733
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's I mean, there's like beta waves or

734
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: beta frequencies are something that people listen to to fall asleep.

735
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: And then there's solfeggio frequencies I think you can find

736
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: on like YouTube too that supposedly, I don't remember exactly

737
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: what they do either relax you or make you poop

738
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: which one on the same for me, I don't know

739
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: about Yeah, I mean the brown sound is.

740
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: It's it's it's interesting because we think of the like

741
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: of sort of that that again his bastard sons in

742
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: the hair Metal of like having this really like sharp

743
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: you know, cranked tone and everything. But like those guitar

744
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 2: tracks are almost muddy, you know, they are so dark,

745
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: And part of it is because he was using a

746
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: transformer that basically start he would crank his amp but

747
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: run it at lower power. So it's this idea of

748
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: really saturated tubes that weren't ultimately loud enough to have

749
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: them distort in a particular way, as I understand it.

750
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: And then you know, just these different things that he'd

751
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: done to his guitar supposedly the again, his marshal was

752
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: like a real one of a kind one. People people

753
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: get into this idea of certain tubes and certain eras

754
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: that were used in these hundredwad marshals of being really

755
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: you know, have the mojo certain things. Yeah, his nineteenth

756
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: on the first Van Halen record, his sound was a

757
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 2: fifty nine Fender strat and then he just started gutting

758
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: like Charvel stratocaster copies, and then he rewired a DiMarzio pickup,

759
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 2: and he also dipped his pickups in paraffin to reduce

760
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 2: feedback noise.

761
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: So they put on on pans for like nonstick, like

762
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: almost pre teflon.

763
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but yeah, I mean it's

764
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: which you would use to like seal like I'm pretty

765
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: sure in it. The little paper boat that they make

766
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: that floats down the gutter and gets the one kid

767
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: killed is made with paraffin wax. But yeah, I mean

768
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: that was not an approved method of wiring guitar pickups.

769
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: You know, it really did just up some of them.

770
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: But you know, when you coat a magnetic coil in wax,

771
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: it is going to produce a less fight fidelic high

772
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 2: fidelity sound. What was I trying to say?

773
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: That clear?

774
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

775
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: That ironically the word you're searching for is clear.

776
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: That's my that's my exit music whatever I'm struggling this episode. Yeah,

777
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: And some of the other things that he did was,

778
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: you know, when he died, there was people were surfacing

779
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: up right when he died, people were surfacing the patents

780
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: that he held. He held a bunch of of US

781
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: patent trademarks for different like guitar gear things. One of

782
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: them was this, like, it looks like a like a.

783
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: Girdle.

784
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: It's like a plexiglass thing that mounts to your waist

785
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: and locks your guitar perpendicular to your body without a strap,

786
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: so that he could tap on it two handed. But

787
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: like the patent image that is drawn is like of

788
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: like a coloring book like stick figure drawing line drawing

789
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 2: of Eddie Van Halen tapping on the guitar with all

790
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 2: of the different parts labeled. It's really amazing.

791
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm looking this uff ering.

792
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 2: Oh you found the picture.

793
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right. It looks like it looks like

794
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: a connect the dots like coloring book thing.

795
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

796
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's that's definitely worth seeking out folks. Oh

797
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: my god. So the Panama video, a video for My

798
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: Least Favorite song, as we mentioned earlier, reused footage that

799
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: had originally been shot for the Jump video, but the

800
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: live stuff was taken from the second of the band's

801
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: to night at the Philadelphia Spectrum in March nineteen eighty four.

802
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: Also features Ross. Aforementioned nineteen fifty one Mercury eight convertible,

803
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: which sold for as you write, an astonishingly low thirty

804
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: thousand dollars out of Southeby's auction in twenty thirteen. Yeah,

805
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: that's a somebody. I almost feel like the Samyhagar fans

806
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: must have mobilized there or something.

807
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: I mean, when you think about these custom jobs, man,

808
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: more than that went into it. Yeah, assuredly. You know,

809
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: we used to be a proper country.

810
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. This car was a custom job by the legendary

811
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: car customizer George Barris, whose CV includes the Munster Coach

812
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: and Dragula for the Monster's TV show, the nineteen sixty

813
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: six Batmobile for the Batman TV series. He created cars

814
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: for the Beverly Hillbillies, MANNIX night Rider, and the show

815
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: My Mother of the Car, which is that weird show

816
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: about the cops elderly mother who dies and gets reincarnated

817
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: as a car. If I believe that is correct. Yeah.

818
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: I also made custom golf carts for Bob Hope, Bing

819
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: Crosby and Margaret Glenn Campbell and Elton John Wow customized

820
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: golf cart and adding to this just absolutely Bonker's resume.

821
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: George Barris also helped contribute designs to NASA for their

822
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: Mars rovers, basing them on the suspension and tires he

823
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: created for the Moonscape vehicle, which had been a popular

824
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: plastic model in the sixties. That's weird that he didn't

825
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: design the lunar rover. Yeah.

826
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: I my only from what I gleaned from that, it

827
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: was that he was designing a model for like a

828
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: plastic toy model, and then they as they were doing research,

829
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: it must have come up in like, you know, lunar

830
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 2: module design and they were like, Hey, that suspension looks

831
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 2: actually quite practical. Can you send us that?

832
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: And he did. Possibly the funniest thing about the Panama

833
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: video is that has started a battle with MTV, who

834
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: had a staunch stance against product placement. They were very

835
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: unhappy about Michael Anthony's bass guitar, which was shaped like

836
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: a bottle of Jack Daniels. Hilariously, he also had one

837
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: that was shaped like a bottle of Tabasco sauce.

838
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: Hi, which I would I would rock.

839
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was gonna say, if you could, if you

840
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: could have a base that was shaped like a condiment,

841
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: what would it be?

842
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: Oh? Probably as basic as it is. Tabasco is a

843
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: close second, very versatile sauce Worchester sauce.

844
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: You have to say that because you're New England. Yeah,

845
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: in an angle file.

846
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you? I would imagine HP or something for you.

847
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: That's so funny. I was just with my brother and

848
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: my brother's partner the other day and they'd never had

849
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: HP sauce was on the menu and I was describing

850
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: HP sauce And I was supposed to go uh to

851
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: trivia with them tonight and I'm taping this instead. So

852
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: when they listen, Hi, guys, I told you I wasn't lying.

853
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: But getting back to the story, MTV obviously couldn't turn

854
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: down a video from one of the biggest rock bands

855
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: in the world of the time, so they allow the

856
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: goofy bass to stay. And this might have been early enough.

857
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: What an MTV launch eighty one August of eighty one.

858
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: Never mind, I was going to say early on in

859
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: the MTV's run, they couldn't afford to turn down videos, videos,

860
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: and they were just that's why all those weird I mean,

861
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: that's probably one of the crucial factors of the rise

862
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: of the new wave movement in the early eighties is

863
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: that all these weird already British bands are the only

864
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: bands that had videos.

865
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: That they already repurposed from, like Top of the Pops

866
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 2: and stuff, right, like a lot of that live footage.

867
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 2: Gotta be honest, I'm not particularly well versed in al Wait,

868
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: which is the third single off nineteen eighty four. It's

869
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: a another synth heavy song, almost completely based around the

870
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: instrument Michael Anthony even plays his baseline on the synthesizer.

871
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: The most interesting thing about this song is that, like

872
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: everything else in the nineteen eighties, it couldn't escape Michael McDonald.

873
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: This soft spoken beard falsetto Combo had had a pre

874
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: existing relationship with Van Halen producer Ted Templeman not to

875
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: be confused with Thriller co writer Rod Temperton or The

876
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: Rat Templeton. Ted Templeman, once again not to be confused

877
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: with Rod Temperton, who co wrote Thriller or Templeton the

878
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: Rat from Charlotte's Web, had worked with the Doobie Brothers

879
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: during McDonald's tenure with the band, and produced McDonald's first

880
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: solo album, nineteen eighty two, If That's what it takes.

881
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: Roth was struggling to come up with a vocal melody

882
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: and lyrics for al Wait and Templeman called McDonald in

883
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: is a singer, McDonald told Ultimate Classic Rock. Ted Templeman

884
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: called me up and said, hey, these guys have a

885
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: track and they need some lyrics.

886
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: You gotta say you gotta tell a story like Michael McDonald. Wire.

887
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: These guys have a track and they need some lyrics.

888
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: So I mentioned you could do it, and they said fine,

889
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: why don't you come on down. He sent me the

890
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: track and I got some ideas going so i'd have

891
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: something when I got to the studio. McDonald, however, recalled

892
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: that the experience quote wasn't exciting, was an exile. I

893
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: met David Lee Roth at Ted's office. That was an

894
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: interesting experience. He kind of liked what I had going.

895
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: So we sat there in the office with a demo

896
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 2: playing on a cassette recorder, singing lines and melodies. We've

897
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: actually obtained footage from that, and I like to play

898
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: it for you.

899
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 3: Oh that's good.

900
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm all gonna tell you what's.

901
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 3: Great stuff, David. But maybe we checked that one back

902
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: for notes.

903
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: I told you I told you my Michael McDonald's story, right,

904
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: Oh when he was cool to you? Yeah, yeah, he

905
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: was really cool to me. Yeah, it was when he

906
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: rejoined the Doobie Brothers and like the head Doobie was

907
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: grumpy that.

908
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: Day and Jeff Skunk Baxter.

909
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: Tom I think it was Tom. Yeah, fine, he was

910
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: in a pissy mood and he was just like wilfully

911
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: misunderstanding my questions and getting really snippy with me and

912
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: trying to make me look an idiot. And then finally

913
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: Michael McDonald came in and defended me and was like,

914
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: come on, Tom, there'll be an ass. You know what

915
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: he meant. And then he came over to me and

916
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: uh and spent a lecture time with me afterwards, and

917
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: clearly in an attempt to make sure I wasn't feeling bad.

918
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, Mike McDonald, he his he doesn't just have

919
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: the voice of an angel, he is an angel.

920
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 3: Jordan's how are you doing? Just checking out my bad mate?

921
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: Wasn't rude to you? He wants some ask.

922
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: If you see that great se TV bit with Rick

923
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: moranis when he's Michael McDonald's.

924
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: Every single background session.

925
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so good. Friend of the pod. Ryan showed

926
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: me that. Thank you, Ryan. Well, even after that magical

927
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: afternoon with Michael McDonald and David Roth, Roth and Templeman

928
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: didn't want to include the song whose name escapes me.

929
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: I'll wait, that's what it is. Yes, I didn't want

930
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: to include all wait on the album, and Ednie an

931
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: engineer Don Landy how to battle them over it. Even

932
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: though the song reached number thirteen on the Billboard Hot

933
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: one hundred, Michael McDonald's credit on the song has dipped

934
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: in and out of official releases by the band. Michael

935
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: McDonald told Ultimate Classic Rock, I guess they thought I

936
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: was Santa Claus because I had to go chasing them

937
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: a little bit on that one. He kind of does

938
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: look like Santa Claus. To be honest.

939
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: It's funny because he does Santa.

940
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: It's probably one of the most played things I've ever written,

941
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: just because it's van Halen. That album sold three or

942
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,959
Speaker 1: four million copies right away, which is a really big

943
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: deal at the time.

944
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 2: There are so many great Van Halen songs.

945
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: How many are there? I actually don't have one of him.

946
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 2: Reading a number, but for me and you as well

947
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: and the listeners out there, for Teacher perfectly distills the

948
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: band's blend of virtuosity, horniness and goofiness. Jory, what do

949
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: you think about Hoffer teacher, Do you hate that one too?

950
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: I do? Is that the one that's song? I don't

951
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: feel tardy? Yeah.

952
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 2: The song's opening bass drum cacophony is actually four bass drums.

953
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: While I'm sharing the interviewing years, some annoying wounder kind

954
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: has figured out how to play it. Alex Van Hailsen's actual,

955
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: like live part doesn't kick in until he starts the

956
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: regular beat. Eddie's parts, including his solo, made this song

957
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: actually harder. As he explained to Guitar World, the song's

958
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: tempo also jumps up like it's really wild. How they

959
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 2: were just doing this live and Eddie was just like

960
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: gesturing to everyone to follow him. Of that guitar solo,

961
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: he said, I winged that one. If you listen to it,

962
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: the timing changes in the middle of nowhere. We were

963
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: in a room playing together, and I just kind of

964
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: winked at the guys and said, okay, we're changing now.

965
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: Because I don't count. I just follow my feelings. I

966
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: tend to do a lot of things in threes and

967
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: five instead of fours. The live room at fifty one

968
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: to fifty. The studio where they're doing this wasn't particularly

969
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: large and so a lot of the drum sound on

970
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: the record is actually Simmons electronic drum kit, not acoustic drums.

971
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: Wild to be probably the reason some of the reasons

972
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 2: that you hate it in particularly the intro to Hot

973
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: for Teacher, gave rise to the rumor that the percussion

974
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 2: sounds at the top of this track are a car

975
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: or a motorcycle reving its engine, and that is not true.

976
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: So someone people have theorized that that was like an engine,

977
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 2: like a Harley engine or something trying to start. But

978
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 2: it's overdubbed electronic based drums.

979
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: Naturally. When producer Ted Templeman asked about the singer's vision

980
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: for the track, David Lee Roth told him, in this one,

981
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: we're all pretending to be in the classroom genius sunnyctorial vision.

982
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: This is according to Ian Christie's two thousand and seventh

983
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: book Everybody Want Some the band Halen Saga. So to

984
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: fulfill this creative vision of David Lee Roth, they dragged

985
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: a bunch of random crap into Eddie's five to one

986
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: five zero studio to recreate the raucous atmospheric parts you

987
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: hear in the song.

988
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: You're like throwing bottles around and stuff. I love it,

989
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: just hooting and hollering.

990
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: Weirdly considering such an all time lunkhead anthem. You say.

991
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: The song only peaked at number fifty six on the

992
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: Billboard Charts, But the video is another story. The band

993
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: shot the classroom segment in my beloved John Marshall High

994
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: School in LA, making its fourth or possibly fifth appearance

995
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Was that the high school in both

996
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: Greece and Britney spears maybe one more time video. That's correct,

997
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: and there's definitely something else. You're right many other yeahah, yeah,

998
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: yea yeah. Over eighty people auditioned to be in the

999
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: HAPA teacher video and two separate women ended up playing teachers.

1000
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: There were just so many they just, you know what,

1001
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: give them.

1002
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 2: Too hard for everybody?

1003
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's no rule that says you can't be

1004
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: hot for two teachers. The two women are Donna Rupert, which,

1005
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: to be fair, is if I had to miss Rupert,

1006
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't know the name. The name kind of.

1007
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: Well, I don't mean to get to I don't mean

1008
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: to get to uh cartoon wolf eyes here, But have

1009
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: you seen Donna Rupert?

1010
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm yeah, I assume I'm sure.

1011
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: I must have at one point, I don't trust you anymore.

1012
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: Well, she was the nineteen eighty one Miss Canada Paget

1013
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: runner up, so I assume very much. So I assume.

1014
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: And then there was also Lilian Mueller, a Norwegian model

1015
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: who plays the physical education teacher. I'm going to read

1016
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: this directly from the script he wrote, because I can't

1017
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: improve upon it in any way. Devoted music video Horned

1018
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: dogs may also recognize Mueller from Rod Stewart's do you

1019
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: Think I'm Sexy? Video? So Where's That?

1020
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: One of the child actors hired to play the roles

1021
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: of Lil van Halen in the clip, Yano Aneya, who

1022
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: had appeared in a Christmas story and some commercials, were

1023
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: called to Louder Sound. The shoot took four days. I

1024
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: got there on the first day at nine thirty in

1025
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: the morning and I told my mom I need to

1026
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: go meet the band that is my priority. Smart Kid.

1027
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: So I found their trailer and knocked on the door.

1028
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: Alex van Halen answered and he looked at me and went,

1029
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: what's up, kid, And I went, I'm part of the cast.

1030
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: I'm playing Michael Anthony Junior. I just wanted to see

1031
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 2: if I could hang out with you guys, and he

1032
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: went come on in and was like, hey, man, why

1033
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: don't you go to the back and grab us a

1034
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: couple of beers. So I walked back there and David

1035
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 2: lee Roth was there. He looked at me and went,

1036
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: who for you? Why is there a kidnack trailer? And

1037
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: Alex was like, don't worry about it, man, he's part

1038
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: of the cast. He's hanging out with us. They had

1039
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 2: an ice chest in the back with nothing but coke

1040
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: and Schlitz smalt liquor beer. So I grabbed two of

1041
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: them and went up to the front and Alex challenged

1042
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: me to a shotgun. I'm like, I'm thirteen years old,

1043
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: it's ten twenty in the morning, and I'm drinking a

1044
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: Schlitz beer with Alex van Halen. This is awesome. Yeah right,

1045
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: It continued for him. The thing that stuck with me

1046
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: the most was the part where the teacher was dancing

1047
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: on the table and all the kids were looking at

1048
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: her legs. The director was shouting grab her legs. I

1049
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: looked at my mom, Should I actually do that? Is

1050
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: that okay? And my mom was like, do your job, son.

1051
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: That's a truly professional stage mother later, Eddie showed him

1052
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: how to play the intro to running with the Devil,

1053
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 2: making it all in all a pretty good four days.

1054
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: I'd have to say. The voice of the nerd in

1055
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: the clip was actually your beloved Phil Hartman, noted previously

1056
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: notched music industry experience as a graphic designer for the

1057
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: likes of Crosby Stills, Nash, Poco, and America. You know,

1058
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: he dropped out of college where he was studying graphic

1059
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: design and illustration to roady for a rock band.

1060
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually really weird. I was watching a vice

1061
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: as this web series it's called something like the Tragic

1062
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: Side of Comedy or something, and I was watching one

1063
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: on They've Got I think they have two seasons now.

1064
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: I was watching one on Chris Farley. I was watching

1065
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: one on Phil Hartman. He had a whole life like

1066
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: he was usually he was forty or something when he

1067
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: got cast on SNL. He had a whole life before that.

1068
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: Really interesting guy. And then of course is the pee

1069
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: Rmin stuff too. He co created the pe Wee Herman character.

1070
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: Right ooh, as you meditate on that, we'll be right

1071
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: back with more too much information after these messages. So

1072
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: one of my favorite nerdy YouTube channels is this guy

1073
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: Ken Tamplin, and he does this as many people do,

1074
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: like voice teacher reacts to isolated vocal tracks or whatever

1075
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: on YouTube. And I've read a lot about David Lee

1076
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: Roth's particular like overtone is like whistle scream, which is

1077
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: like almost throat singing, right, because it's not just the

1078
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: fundamental note that he's singing, but it's like that whistle

1079
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: tone is not actually what people call the whistle register.

1080
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 2: It's literally like a thing that unhealthy vocal chords do.

1081
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 2: So let's let's go to Let's check the tape where

1082
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 2: it Ken explains this. Wow, there's that infamous stream.

1083
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: Listen. It's a vocal feedback.

1084
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 3: Now that is.

1085
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 5: Caused when the chords lose good separation. Vocal cords shouldn't okay,

1086
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 5: and they can't get that separation. All of a sudden,

1087
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 5: it does a whistle kind of whistle regular register where

1088
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 5: it breaks up in the harmonic structure of what should

1089
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 5: have been a complete Hey, it breaks up and it's

1090
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 5: several notes three notes. Now I can do that after

1091
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 5: I've sung way too much and hurt my voice in

1092
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 5: my false set of regis or in my chest register

1093
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 5: and my false sidle register and get that sound. But

1094
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 5: it is not a healthy sound. It sounds cool, but

1095
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 5: it's not a healthy sound.

1096
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: Okay, he punches it back in.

1097
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: What course we were we doing? Oh my god?

1098
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, so that's sorry? What well, it's you know,

1099
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: it's really insane with it. And this is what having

1100
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: knowing that he is able to do that is the

1101
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: precision with which he can fire that off at like

1102
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 2: the tail end of a regular vocal phrase. I'm all

1103
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: gonna tell you what, because it's crazy. He goes on

1104
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: this whole like vocal ad lib right, diango too one

1105
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: more time and then in the same breath fires off

1106
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: that like that's nuts.

1107
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: Even if you.

1108
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: Say he doesn't have a good technically good voice or whatever,

1109
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: I defy anyone to try and replicate that.

1110
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: What is he saying is, damn, lady, I'm only gonna

1111
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: tell you.

1112
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna tell you one more time. I ain't

1113
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: fooling with you.

1114
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: Where is the okay? Play that now? Where's the eye?

1115
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: Ain't full of with you? I can't hear it. I'm

1116
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: all gonna tell you what it's.

1117
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 2: It's I'm lying to you.

1118
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: My mistake, Tim, I regrets the error. Regrets there.

1119
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: My favorite one, though, is the one I sent you earlier,

1120
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: which I don't think you listened to.

1121
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: I did, Yes, which one to you?

1122
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm only going to tell you one time. That's from

1123
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: Everybody Wants Some? Uh, let me pull that up on Twitter. God,

1124
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: I just made Jordan's life. This is payback for Titanic.

1125
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: I know, edit, it's for tomorrow morning. That one was me.

1126
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 2: We should do a blindfold test. You can tell the

1127
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: TM I'm blind full test? Is it Ali their diving date?

1128
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm gonna okay, I'm gonna shut my eyes. I'm

1129
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: really gonna try now. No, oh oh okay.

1130
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: The quality is the quality is isle?

1131
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 6: Uh?

1132
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? One fifty four in the song Everybody Wants Some?

1133
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: I believe this whole vocal was ad libbed. Not that

1134
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: part I'm actually talking about. I'm actually talking about his

1135
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: separate part.

1136
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, ladder, look you for move me?

1137
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like Sibee's water torture man, this is

1138
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 2: what the fi Uh. They play you like one second,

1139
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: they play you like one second of an immaculate Beach

1140
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 2: Boys harmony, and then they pull it back and it's

1141
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: just David Lee Roth isolated vocal takes and I'm grinning

1142
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: it through the one way mirror. Do you want to new?

1143
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: Do you want to do another one about the Beatles?

1144
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 2: Jordan didn't. That one was me anyway? Talk to us

1145
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: about the Hartford Teacher a sort of details.

1146
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: Oh what before we go? We were talking on one

1147
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: episode and I'm trying remember who was it was Kate

1148
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: Bush or what about somebody who has really.

1149
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 4: Well?

1150
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, a bunch of acoustic scientists analyzed his like

1151
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: the waveforms of his voice and determined that he kind

1152
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: of I think he was able to do it, but

1153
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: with a sub harmonic just like the way that his

1154
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: singing technique evolved naturally that he was producing actually two

1155
01:05:56,080 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 2: distinct tones. But yeah, I mean it's the same I

1156
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,439
Speaker 2: in theory, it's the same principle. When you're talking about

1157
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: the way that Ken Tamplon from Ken Tamplan's Vocal Academy

1158
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: was talking about dividing the actual harmonic structure of a

1159
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 2: note into its fundamental and one of its over or

1160
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: under or sub tones, like, it's still the same principle.

1161
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: It's crazy, dude, It's just so cool what the voice

1162
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 2: can do. And then you wreck it and you can't

1163
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 2: do that anymore, like like Robert plant Man, world's greatest

1164
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: voice for like a very short amount of time. Fools,

1165
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: they were all fools. They didn't take their voice seriously,

1166
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: says the man who's talking himself, horse going.

1167
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: I was talking about Julian Andrews the other day and

1168
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: about her whole like bo vocal surgery.

1169
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: That's a nightmare, dude, surgeon. And they're like, yeah, we

1170
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: made it way worse.

1171
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna sing like Randy Newman from now on.

1172
01:06:53,920 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: I'll take my check now, doctor Jordan, tell us about

1173
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: tell us more about how for teacher? Now?

1174
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: You never ask well. One of the most hilarious parts

1175
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: of the video, as far as I'm concerned at least,

1176
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: is when the rest of the band struggles to keep

1177
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: up with a routine choreographed by Vincent Atterson, who also

1178
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: worked extensively with Madonna and Michael Jackson. The guys dubbed

1179
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: their costumes Dave and the Pips. That's a Gladys Night reference.

1180
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: The car of the music video was built by Tom McMullen,

1181
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: the owner of Street Roder magazine, in nineteen eighty two,

1182
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: and he used a fiberglass Ford Sayton Paton's style body.

1183
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: What is a phaton.

1184
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: It's like a old coop dragster coop kind of thing.

1185
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: They were mad in the thirties and then they got

1186
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 2: real popular with the California like rat Rods guy.

1187
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: Oh okay, nicknamed Tom's Tub two. It was on loan

1188
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: for the video and reportedly Tom McMullan was not be

1189
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: about the scene where it peels out at the end.

1190
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: The car lived at the Peterson Automotive Museum in la

1191
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: which is very cool, until it was sold for what

1192
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: I consider a poultry twenty three thousand dollars by the

1193
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: museum in August twenty twenty three, so recently. So that's

1194
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: not some important that together that was on.

1195
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: That was on. Bring a trailer that was on, like

1196
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 2: the car auction site. My dad watches like just these

1197
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: custom things going by for like what a podcast costs.

1198
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: Wow.

1199
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: But then my contract to negotiations, I want I want

1200
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 2: an automotive as iconic or less than sub two.

1201
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: No, less iconic, then we can we can go higher.

1202
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, no, yeah, that's my that's my See,

1203
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 2: this is why you're telling me how to negotiate I

1204
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: don't know this stuff.

1205
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 3: Well.

1206
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: Speaking of auctions, both guitars in the Hapa Teacher music video,

1207
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 1: the little one played by Eddie's mini me and his

1208
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: actual guitar, both went up for auction in recent years.

1209
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: The one that the kid played. His name is Brian Hitchcock,

1210
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: appeared to have been given to him by the people

1211
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: making the music video, because it was autographed by Eddie

1212
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: and signed Thanks Brian, Thanks spelled with an.

1213
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 2: X because it's cooler. It makes me sad that he

1214
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 2: sold it. But you know you got fifty thousand.

1215
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: Grand, thousand grand. Jesus my least favorite candy bar.

1216
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: Play me all.

1217
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: It is fifty thousand. It is fifty thousand grand. Technically

1218
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: five million maybe, yeah, fifty times a thousand.

1219
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about money, Like I pissed a

1220
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 2: lot of it away. I've got a couple since, got

1221
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: a couple of cars. Not ask me to do math

1222
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 2: live on this show. There's a zero in there.

1223
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: I probably so it's sold for you two thousand dollars

1224
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: in December twenty twenty so recently, and it was also

1225
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: accompanied by the kid's costume from the video, the white

1226
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: T shirt that says no bozos and a pair of

1227
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: Sergio Valente jeans and an Ola Cassini denim vest. The

1228
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: costume alone should be fifty thousand dollars. This iconic music

1229
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: video one of the biggest music videos of the eighties,

1230
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: which is the decade when the music video was the

1231
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: biggest it's ever going to be. I can't believe that.

1232
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: Thank you. Someone had to say it, and I did.

1233
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 2: You're right to say it.

1234
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Eddie van Halen's guitar on the clip, a custom

1235
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: job by Paul Unkert of Kramer Guitars, sold for Okay,

1236
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: this is the sounds more right three point nine million

1237
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: dollars when it was auctioned by Sotheby's in April twenty

1238
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: twenty three. Unkert was believed to have completed the guitar

1239
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two and delivered it to Van Halen

1240
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: the following January, at which point it became Eddie's main

1241
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: instrument during nineteen eighty three and nineteen eighty four. The

1242
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: unnamed buyer at the auction also received the white gloves

1243
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: and strait jacket that Eddie wore for the video. He's

1244
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: in a strait jacket at half a teacher.

1245
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do like a fast times originally Yeah, again,

1246
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 2: and I think Alex van Halen became a guynecologist, Eddie

1247
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 2: was hospitalized, Michael became a sumer wrestler, and Diamond Dave

1248
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 2: is a talk show host.

1249
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: Terrifying Glimpse into the Future for three out of four, Alex,

1250
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 1: tell us about your favorite story, Eddie.

1251
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is just so cute. You know.

1252
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: As we mentioned earlier, dine Bag Daryl was a big

1253
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: of Pantera, was a big Eddie fan, and they got

1254
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 2: to be friends over the years. And when dine Bag

1255
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: Darrel was shot and killed on stage in two thousand

1256
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:52,440
Speaker 2: and four, Eddie showed up his funeral and told Dimebag's

1257
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 2: partner an original deserves an original, and he put his

1258
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 2: black and yellow striped guitar into Dime's casket, which was

1259
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 2: a kiss casket, and then proceeded to give one of

1260
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: the most drunken and rambling speeches with Zach Wilde it's

1261
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 2: really a thing of joy.

1262
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 1: Well that's really touching. But Heigel, how did Haffer Teacher

1263
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: cast its longest shadow?

1264
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you asked hat for Teacher may have

1265
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 2: cast its longest shadow in the halls of the American legislature.

1266
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: While most people know Tipper Gore's parents Music Resource Center

1267
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: movement was sparked in nineteen eighty four by listening to

1268
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 2: Princess Darling. Nikki Gore apparently backed up her horror of

1269
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 2: that musical experience by watching a couple hours of MTV,

1270
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 2: during which she came across videos that included Hot for

1271
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: Teacher and Motley Cruz Looks that Kill. The images frightened

1272
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 2: my children, she said, or was quoted as saying, they

1273
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 2: frightened me. The graphic sex and the violence were too

1274
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: much for us to handle. This led to you the

1275
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 2: curious morning in September of nineteen eighty five when Florida

1276
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: Senator Paula Hawkins treated her fellow taxpayer funded servants of

1277
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 2: the American people to showings of Hot for Teacher and

1278
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 2: We're not going to take it. By Twisted's sister, one

1279
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 2: criticism of the rock industry is the way it portrays

1280
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,799
Speaker 2: values in rock videos, which are viewed by the kids.

1281
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: Auxgen's introduced the clips by saying, I am not sure

1282
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 2: how many of my colleagues get much opportunity to watch

1283
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 2: any of the music video shows now available on cable

1284
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: and free TV. I brought along two videos from which

1285
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 2: to choose, which I believe are representative of the kind

1286
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 2: of presentations which caused the problem. The first is by

1287
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 2: the group Van Halen, so that is all enshrined somewhere

1288
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 2: in the Congressional archives. One thing that may have gone unnoticed, however,

1289
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 2: in the congressional parsing of Hot for Teacher, was revealed

1290
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: many years later by the videos director Pete Angelis in

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01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: Greg Pratto's twenty eleven book The aforementioned When MTV ruled

1292
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 2: the world the early years of the music video. One

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 2: thing I remember about that video that a lot of

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01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: people don't know or maybe didn't see, is when Dave

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01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 2: turns into the television show host at the end. We

1296
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 2: had an idea. I thought, you know, there hasn't been

1297
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: a really substantial urine stain on MTV ever when you

1298
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 2: really think about it. So let's pour a lot of

1299
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: water on Dave's crotch. Let's make it look like he

1300
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 2: really just pissed himself, and then let's see if anyone

1301
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 2: sees it. When we hand the video into the record

1302
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 2: company MTV, and nobody did. I know this sounds absolutely pathetic.

1303
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 2: To say, but we probably pulled off the first and

1304
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 2: most substantial urine stain in the history of television, So

1305
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 2: we've got that going for us. Oh sorry, though, one

1306
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 2: other thing I found. In twenty thirteen, a fifty seven

1307
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: year old Florida man sued Michigan's Oakland University for suspending

1308
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 2: him after he turned in an essay inspired by Hotford

1309
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: teacher that graphically described his professor. Are you kidding me?

1310
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 2: Joseph Corlett wrote incursive in the composition entry submitted with

1311
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 2: the lawsuit, I should drop right now the class. There

1312
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: is no way I'll concentrate in class, especially with that

1313
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,719
Speaker 2: sexy little mole on her upper lip, beckoning with every

1314
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: accented word and that smile. Corlette said he wrote the

1315
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: essay after his professor for English three eighty advanced critical

1316
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 2: writing of Mitzefeld assured him that no topics were restricted

1317
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 2: in the free writing assignment and that she wanted to

1318
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 2: quote the raw stuff, according to the lawsuit. In an

1319
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 2: ABC news piece describing Corlett's loss in court, one, another

1320
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,839
Speaker 2: excerpt from the essay described Mitzelfeld as tall, blonde, stacked

1321
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:26,759
Speaker 2: skirt heels, fingernails, smart, articulate, smile key Rist rendered phonetically

1322
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 2: as k ee iphen ris t. I'll never learn a thing,

1323
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 2: corlettz prose continued, I'll search for something unattractive about her.

1324
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 2: No luck. Yet, a judge ruled that this work was

1325
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: not covered under his First Amendment rights. Thoughts on that, Jordan, I.

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: Can't remember where I saw this, but recently there was

1327
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 1: some other college professor who had a student it was

1328
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: a creative writing class, and wrote a student that was

1329
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 1: a barely disguised a story about a student who was

1330
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,799
Speaker 1: very clearly him seducing a teacher who was very clearly

1331
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: her a barely disguised way. Makes me sad. Yes, I

1332
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: have a horrible feeling that these are gonna bleed into

1333
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:23,560
Speaker 1: every other episodes.

1334
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I have found the soundboard.

1335
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna be a different soundboard forever. It's gonna

1336
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: be Arnold Schwarzenegger, and it's not a Tuma and all that.

1337
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 2: And oh maybe I don't know who's got other good

1338
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 2: ad libs. I bet a Stevie Wonder soundboard would be

1339
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 2: pretty good.

1340
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: Well, you look for that, and I'll read this section

1341
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four's framed artwork the album cover of a cherub,

1342
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: technically termed a putto in art history circles, which, as

1343
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: you write, sounds like a slur and it does. A

1344
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 1: cherub smoking A putto smoking a cigarette was art directed

1345
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: by Richard Cerini and music video director Pete Angelis and

1346
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: painted by graphic artist Amargo Naha, whose other credits include

1347
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: Seals and Croft's Unborn Child, which she did while she

1348
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: was still in college, Stevie Wonder, Hey, Stevie Wonder, a

1349
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: Secret Life of Plants cover, as well as covers for

1350
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: Toto and Rick James. Incidentally, the label and the band

1351
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: had asked Nahas to paint an image of four chrome

1352
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 1: women dancing, but she turned them down. Have Some sources

1353
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: have said that this was because painting for chrome women

1354
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: was really hard and kind of a pain in the ass,

1355
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: But Naha's husband persisted in showing her portfolio and the

1356
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: band came across this cherub painting and asked for that instead.

1357
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: The model for that painting was her friend's son, Carter Helm.

1358
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: Nahas recalled the CBS in twenty twenty that quote, I

1359
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: took a picture of him and took candy cigaret, which

1360
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: he proceeded to eat every single one after a brief tantrum.

1361
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: Of course, she also styled his hair. Front cover was

1362
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: censored in the UK at the time of the album's release,

1363
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: with a sticker that blocked out the cigarettes and the

1364
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: cherub's aunt.

1365
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 2: Gotta Love the UK. You Don't No, I Sure Don't

1366
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four peak to number two on the Billboard

1367
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 2: two hundred, ironically being kept from the top spot by

1368
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson's Thriller, which features Eddie van Halen soloing on

1369
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 2: beat It. It remained in that spot for five consecutive

1370
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 2: weeks and was certified diamond sales in excess of ten

1371
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 2: million copies by the rub A. Nineteen ninety nine Jump

1372
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 2: also garnered the band their first Grammy nomination, which, as

1373
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: we mentioned, they lost to Prince and they wouldn't actually

1374
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 2: win a statue until nineteen ninety two. One of the

1375
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: most amazing things to come out of the release cycle

1376
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 2: for nineteen eighty four, though, was the band's promotional contest

1377
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 2: with MTV, dubbed the Lost Weekend with Van Halen. Fans

1378
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: mailed over one million postcards to MTV in hopes of winning.

1379
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 2: After the channel aired a promo with David Lee Roth

1380
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: promising you won't know where you are, you won't know

1381
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: what's going to happen, and when you come back, you're

1382
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 2: not gonna have any memory of it. The contest was

1383
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: won by twenty year old Kurt Jeffreys, a department stored

1384
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 2: loading dock employee from Phoenixville, Pennsylvania, who submitted eight postcards.

1385
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 2: He was flown to Detroit joined the band along with

1386
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 2: a buddy named Tom Winnick, but prior to deciding on Tom,

1387
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: he was deluged with offers from people vying for the

1388
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 2: second slot, with temptations ranging from the sexual to the financial,

1389
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 2: allegedly up to the tune of five thousand dollars. Flown

1390
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,759
Speaker 2: out to Detroit by the band, the pair drank heavily

1391
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 2: and hung out backstage with the guys before being a

1392
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: before Kurt was dressed in a lost weekend shirt and

1393
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: brought on stage, where a sheet cake was smashed into

1394
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 2: his face and he was doused with champagne. Apparently, the

1395
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: night then ended for him at four am, when MTV

1396
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: staff dragged him back to his hotel and dumped him

1397
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 2: in his bathtub. On the second night, Kirk Palell's Tom

1398
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 2: was found quote locked in a small closet wearing a bra,

1399
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 2: and the evening's proposed limo ride with David Lee Roth

1400
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 2: was railed when the backstage party devolved into a food fight.

1401
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 2: As Kurt told a fan magazine, it was the best

1402
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 2: time of my life, but sadly it was not the

1403
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 2: best time for van Halen. Nineteen eighty four marked the

1404
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 2: beginning of the end for Van Halen. Davidly Roth was

1405
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 2: pursuing a movie career and put together an EP called

1406
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 2: Crazy from the Heat, which indulged in his love of

1407
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,919
Speaker 2: pop covers and featured both Carl Wilson and Christopher Cross

1408
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 2: backing him on his version of California Girls.

1409
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: Oh. He died twenty six years ago today. Carl, my

1410
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: favorite peach.

1411
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 2: Boy, surely never achieved, never achieving the same highs as

1412
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 2: singing back up for Damulously Roth. David Lee Roth, around

1413
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 2: this time, wrote a movie, also titled Crazy from the Heat,

1414
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 2: loosely based on his own life, and pitched it to

1415
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 2: CBS Films. According to a nineteen eighty six article by

1416
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 2: Metal Edge, CBS gave Roth something like ten million dollars

1417
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 2: to write, produce, and code direct the movie, with the

1418
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 2: aforementioned music video director Pete Angelis. While Roth had supposedly

1419
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: hoped that Van Halen would contribute to the soundtrack, I

1420
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: also read in that article that Nio Rogers of Chic

1421
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 2: was tapped for the soundtrack, which is a collaboration I

1422
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 2: would die to listen to. In his nineteen ninety seven autobiography,

1423
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 2: also titled Crazy from the Heat, Roth explains that he

1424
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,679
Speaker 2: had a signed production contract with CBS. Storybirds were completed,

1425
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: costumes were finished before the whole thing fell through, and

1426
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 2: CBS pulled the plug to save money during its efforts

1427
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: to save itself from a hostile takeover by Ted Turner.

1428
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 2: Roth promptly turned around and sued them for twenty five million,

1429
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 2: which he lost, although he did end up getting his

1430
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 2: three point five million dollar director's feedback. The full script

1431
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 2: for the film was leaked online in twenty eighteen. If

1432
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 2: that's your bag, Baby Anyway, Roth and Eddie's creative dueling

1433
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 2: visions ultimately culminated with Roth's exit from the band. He

1434
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: was replaced by a sunburned and genial tequila salesman by

1435
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 2: the name of Sammy Hagar. Hilariously, during the recording of

1436
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 2: songs for the film Twister, escalating tensions between Hagar and

1437
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 2: the Van Halen brothers oiled over, and Sammy Hagar subsequently

1438
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 2: departed the band on Father's Day nineteen ninety six.

1439
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: I would like to say something. That Twister soundtrack is

1440
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: what brought Lindsay Buckingham and Stevie Nicks back together.

1441
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 2: It's true, folks.

1442
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: It's funny because it's true.

1443
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 2: There was then a third singer. I'm told this guy

1444
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 2: from Extreme Yeah, Gary Sharon, I knew his name. I

1445
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 2: just wanted to. I just want to short shrift him.

1446
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 2: Did Extreme do? Extreme did more than words?

1447
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: Right? Yees?

1448
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 2: Oh?

1449
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: Then words?

1450
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: That song sucks. All of these creative struggles culminated in

1451
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 2: the logical endpoint of Eddie replacing the only other person

1452
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 2: who was left in the band at that point with

1453
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 2: another of his blood relatives. He installed his fourteen year

1454
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 2: old son Wolfgang on bass, foisting Michael Anthony from the

1455
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 2: position he had occupied for decades. Uh. We talked about

1456
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 2: this a little bit before. I think I think Eddie

1457
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 2: Van Halen to like a certain ext and I know

1458
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 2: he got cleaned and became like a really lovely, genuine,

1459
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 2: like sweet person. You can see that in a lot

1460
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 2: of the post clips. When he has his teeth and

1461
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: weight back, and by all accounts really was a very

1462
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 2: lovely man. But he was also a horrific alcoholic for

1463
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 2: many years and made a lot of really cutthroat decisions.

1464
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 2: I think, like the first time that he renegotiated for

1465
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 2: royalties with their record label to put out like a

1466
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: best of he like renegotiated David Lee Roth's royalty rate

1467
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 2: to some like percentage mark, much lower than the rest

1468
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 2: of the band, and then did the exact same thing

1469
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: to Michael Anthony when Michael Anthony was like when he

1470
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 2: was going to replace him, he was like, Yeah, I'm

1471
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 2: going to like buy you out of your stake in

1472
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: this band and cut down your royalty rate and then

1473
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 2: like that's it, and subsequently hired his fourteen year old

1474
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 2: son to play base. Yeah, Eddie struggled a lot with

1475
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 2: alcoholddiction and made some moves that seemed dickish in retrospect,

1476
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: but you know, he did eventually get clean, patched up

1477
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 2: his relationship with his family, not anyone else in the

1478
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 2: band though, And of course he passed away in October

1479
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, which is a sad end to one

1480
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: of America's most fascinating musical voices. I did not write

1481
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 2: an outro for this Jordan, do you have any thoughts?

1482
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 2: Have I ruined this band for you? Further? No follow

1483
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 2: up question? Was that possible?

1484
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 3: You know?

1485
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean one of the things that I like about

1486
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: doing this show is that when I go into one

1487
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: of these episodes not liking the topic, I usually come

1488
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: away with an appreciation for it. And I think I

1489
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 1: did here.

1490
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 2: What about the Dutch still mixed on them?

1491
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: We do an episode on What's a Dutch Thing?

1492
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 2: Fan?

1493
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: Go? We can do an episode on Starry Night. Actually,

1494
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,520
Speaker 1: that would kind of be a kind of an awesome episode.

1495
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 2: I actually thought about pitching Twister again because learning that

1496
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 2: Twister sabotage. The second iteration of van Halen adding to

1497
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 2: the Fleetwood Mac thing is like one of the funniest

1498
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: things I've ever heard.

1499
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: Like a curve next week?

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Speaker 2: What a cursed artifact? Okay, Well, if I failed to

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Speaker 2: impress on you the importance or significance of van Halen

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Speaker 2: on an artistic sense, all I can say is, we

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Speaker 2: got a couple episodes left on my contract, buddy, and

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Speaker 2: there's yet time. Oh there is time. So much all

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Speaker 2: run in I think I just like the idea of

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Speaker 2: you collapsing a public square like Nietzsche and the horse,

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Speaker 2: and you're just muttering, he wouldn't stop running with the devil,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't stop running with the devil. And with that Jordan

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Speaker 2: was committed. They start old, which I just fade the

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Speaker 2: David Lee raw thing into Samuel Barber's adagio for strings.

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Speaker 2: So let's see if I can do that live. We'll

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Speaker 2: uh live uh lit live, mashup action. Let me well,

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Speaker 2: just Paul, you know, I'm a bit of a fan

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Speaker 2: to myself, a bit of a sound artist. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you knew that about me, Jordan, but uh,

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Speaker 2: let's see what I can see what working with see

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Speaker 2: what magic I can produce.

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Speaker 4: Damn, my baby, I'm a gonna tell you what.

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Speaker 3: You b m.

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Speaker 6: Whoa wow, I'll tell you all about it.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like it was in key. It really is amazing

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Speaker 2: how I'm watching your breakdown in real time and your

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Speaker 2: genial facade has yet to Crack's here I can see

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Speaker 2: the blood vessel, including in your brain.

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Speaker 1: You're just stating.

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Speaker 2: Slowly, thank you for listening. Everyone. I'm Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: Yusiam and I was Jordan Roun talk YUSIM I'll catch

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Speaker 1: you next time. Too Much Information was a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtog.

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Speaker 1: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 2: The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan Runtog

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Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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