WEBVTT - Democrats' Fake Outrage 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.360 Good morning, peeps in, and welcome to wogay F Daily 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.560 with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:23.560 let me ask this question this morning. Why is it 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:28.440 that to the media, the Supreme Court leak of the 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.760 draft opinion by Justice Alito is more important than the 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:37.240 content of the draft that we all saw and read. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.440 You know, here's the thing. I continue to say this 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.280 on wogay F because it is an independent show. And 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.440 what do I mean by that. I mean that we're 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:52.800 not bought or sold by corporate interests, right whose interests 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:57.520 are ratings above the sanctity and the preservation of our democracy. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.200 You see, as I'm watching the news come out with 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.960 regard to what is it that Democrats are going to 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:08.119 do about codifying the right to an abortion in this country, which, 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.400 by the way, is nothing. They're not going to do 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.040 a fucking thing, just like they're not going to do 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.000 anything about voting rights, just like they're not going to 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.520 do anything about police reform. Just like as they can 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:19.880 see and as was uttered out of the President's mouth, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.640 this is not where Republicans are ending. They are starting 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.160 with abortion, and then they are going to attack every 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.240 single constitutional right that we have been able to achieve 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.119 over the last fifty to sixty years in this country, which, 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:38.280 mind you, is pretty much every civil right that was 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.720 given to everyone that was not six white straits and mail. Okay, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.280 So the reality here is that the media is complicit 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.840 in the demise of our democracy. I say this all 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:54.000 the time because they have an obligation right to awaken 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.560 the American people to the truth, to inform them of 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.240 the truth, right so that we have an informed citizenury 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.960 that can make decisions about who it is that they 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:08.239 want to choose to be representative of their voice, right 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.200 of the issues that matter to them. But instead of 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.720 us focusing on the fact that, for the first time 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.200 in American history, we are not about the expansion of 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.960 rights in this country, we are about the rescinding thereof 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.320 That means that everything in this country is on the table, 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.520 and we are still fucking sitting around talking with and 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.799 two Republicans as if they are a legitimate, fucking political 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.639 party instead of an authoritarian regime that is chopping at 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.200 the bit to get power which they will never relinquish. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:46.360 Elections are a fucking suggestion to them when you start 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:51.440 to idolize people like Putin and Orbon and MBS and others. 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.079 You are saying all of the things that we need 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.080 to know by virtue of your support for these people, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:03.640 you do not believe in the foundational principles of democracy. Now, 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.360 I am the first person to say that America is 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:12.920 an imperfect, imperfect fucking place, that there is nothing that 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:17.280 is perfect or should be admired about our democracy. That 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:23.160 we have better ideology, ideology and theoretical beliefs around our 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:28.000 democracy than we actually do the practice of said democracy. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:33.720 But given that, even given that each generation has had 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:39.200 an obligation to bend the arc further towards justice, and 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.760 what Republicans have signified with this move and they're rapid 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.320 Republicans on the Supreme Court, which they stacked because they 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.760 stole seats, But they stole seats from people who didn't 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.880 want to call out the thievery. So if you make 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:01.440 no real big uproar about Mitch McConnell against the Constitution 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.480 and denying a sitting president the ability to seat federal 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.480 judges as well as a Supreme Court justice, if you 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.160 just allowed that shit to slide, then don't turn around 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.640 and be shocked that the very people who stole from you, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.960 right in front of your fucking face, then turn around 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.039 and say that we're going to start checking off of 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:27.360 our list how we turn America into an apartheid fucking state. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.920 Why are people acting shocked? Why am I hearing things 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.599 from the likes of Lisa Murkowski and fucking Susan Collins 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.359 about how dismayed they are. Bitch, sit down, go clutch 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:45.440 your pearls someplace else. Because you see, we all knew 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.440 who Brett Kavanaugh was. You know why, because doctor Christine 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.559 Blaisie Ford told us who Brett Kavanaugh was, and Brett 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.920 Kavanaugh told us who he was when he was screaming 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:02.240 right in the face, spitting, showing any thing but the dignity, 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:07.279 right and grace that an actual Supreme Court justice should show, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.000 which is what Judge Brown Jackson showed us a couple 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:15.720 of months ago during her confirmation hearings. So why is 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.720 it now that Republican women are turning around and saying, 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:20.880 oh my god, I had no idea that these people 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.760 would lie under oath. You supported a president that lied 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.400 from the podium every day. You supported a president that 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.760 cleared out Lafayette Square so that he could go and 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.640 pose with a book that he doesn't read in front 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.960 of a church that he doesn't attend. You stood by 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:41.520 the liar in chief that asked for protesters. You know 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.560 that First Amendment the right to assemble to be shot 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.000 in the leg or in the foot. Can't you just 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.120 shoot him? Though? So, why is it now that you 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.039 want to turn around and you want to act like 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.240 a fucking leak out of the Supreme Court? Is the 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.880 biggest problem that we have, where in fact, the biggest 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.880 problem that we have is fucking apathy in this country 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:07.360 is the fact that we continue to support and watch 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:12.039 a media apparatus that legitimizes the cult that is the 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.839 Republican Party, that we're not talking about the fact that 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.400 abortion is where they start and not where they end, 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.520 and that by virtue of people like Marjorie Taylor Green 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.800 using conjuring up the name of Satan right saying that 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:30.280 these people, the Democratic Party and our leaders are pedophiles. Right, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.360 where do you think that this is going to go? 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.280 It is going to go towards violence, and then they 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.080 are going to justify that violence by saying that they 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.840 are warriors for the Christian faith. And that we need 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.279 to just beat the gay out of these people, We 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.800 need to beat the progressivism out of them, we need 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:52.200 to beat right them into submission. These are the same people, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.240 descendants of the same people that use the Bible in 0:06:55.360 --> 0:07:01.520 order to justify slavery, the torture and the terrorism directed 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:06.760 at black people in this country that still persists. So 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.320 why is it that they turn around now and the 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.320 media is going to legitimize their shock as if they 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.560 didn't know what the fuck they were doing and weren't 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:19.080 complicit in it. I'm tired of the lies, folks, I 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.960 really am. I'm tired of the lies. I'm tired of 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:26.320 the euphemisms. I'm tired of the mincing of words. Republicans 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.720 want one thing and one thing only, and that is power. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.360 And when they get it, when they steal it, they 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.720 are never going to let it go again. Like I 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.160 said in my article for the Daily Beasts with regard 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:41.200 to Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the asking by Obama of 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.600 her to retire, what I said there is that you 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.760 do not get a second bite at this apple, so 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.120 you better make the bite that you take really fucking 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:53.640 deep and big. But the reality is is that Democrats 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.160 do not have that kind of energy. The energy that 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:02.560 we saw from Senator Elizabeth Warren. That's not the energy 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.360 that we've seen come out of Biden and come out 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:09.120 of Kamala Harris's mouth. Oh, the Vice President wanted to 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:15.120 say that she is outdone right by the fact that 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.120 these that this court would take away the rights of women. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.080 You have known that this is coming down the pike. 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.960 You knew that this case was up. But then when 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.800 we turn around and we say, what's the fucking strategy? Oh, well, 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.880 elections have consequences. Well, guess what. We had a historic 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:35.520 turnout in twenty twenty. So you're telling me that even 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.160 though we had a historic turnout in the midst of 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:42.600 a fucking pandemic before there were even vaccinations available, you 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.959 want to tell me now that elections have consequences. I'm 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.840 still looking for the consequences that insurrections should have. Dude, 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.960 that does that have consequences? Are No? I just did 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.679 a hit where you know we're talking about what are 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.600 the issues that matter to the American people? I don't know. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:06.959 How about truth? How about believing and trusting and having 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.760 faith in our governmental agencies to do what it is 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.640 that they say that they are supposed to do. How 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.040 about having faith that when you do things that are wrong, 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:22.600 like violently try and overturn your country's election, that you 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.360 are persecuted to the highest extent of the law. Except No, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.199 We're more concerned with folks inside of the Supreme Court 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.400 that want to alert the public to what is coming 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:35.240 down the pike as opposed to what insurrectionists did in 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:40.000 broad daylight and face no consequences for We have report 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.000 and report and headline after headline talking about all of 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.040 the egregious ways that Donald Trump and his acolytes went 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:51.880 to extreme lengths to try and overturn this election. As 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:56.800 Don Trump Junior said, we have all the paths to power. Again, 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.880 I say, where are the consequences for this? Who is 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:04.640 been indicted? I'm told no one cares about the insurrection anymore, Damielle. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.319 They care about kitchen table issues. Well, your kitchen table 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:13.080 issues won't fucking matter when you're being chained to your 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:17.360 home because you can't get an abortion, when you're being 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.559 told that you can actually work because you were queer, 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:25.160 when you're no longer able to receive the benefits of 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.679 being married because you're in the same sex relationship, when 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:33.200 you are being denied access to federal benefits because now 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:38.000 we're going after interracial marriage, when your kid is not 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.559 going to be able to get the kind of education 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.920 that they need because oh, guess what, we're going back 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:47.840 to segregating schools that have nothing to do with equity. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.960 This is where all of this is headed. This is 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:56.800 not hyperbole. And Democrats are sitting around staring up at 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.040 the sky like they didn't know this was fucking coming, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.200 and as if they didn't know who they were dealing with. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.800 But how could they because they don't identify the villain. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.840 They don't call these people out. They keep trying to 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:12.280 call them fucking in, call you into what and so 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.640 that you can shit in the Capitol building again, in 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.680 so that maybe this time the guilty and that you 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.360 bill will actually be successful in hanging the vice president 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.320 of the United States, Like, what the fuck are we 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.920 doing here? You want to talk to me about kitchen 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.160 table issues. I want to talk to you about places 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:35.679 who were once democratic that are no longer, countries that 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:41.400 are riddled with fear and anxiety and depression, where only 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.080 the richest of the rich are doing well and everyone 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.760 else is living in some version of the fucking Hunger 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:51.360 Games meets the Handmaid's Tale. That's where the fuck this 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:55.520 is headed. But once again Democrats seem to be caught 0:11:55.520 --> 0:12:01.160 off guard, folks. Coming up in today's show, I'm really 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.800 excited to welcome to the show for the first time 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.200 Kaivon Shroff, who is a Democratic commentator, and he's going 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.280 to talk to us about the use of social media 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.120 with you know, platforms like TikTok, Instagram and others, and 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.480 how we get our message out and what it is 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.520 that he thinks that Democrats should be doing to rile 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:29.480 up our base. That conversation is coming up next, folks. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:34.040 I am so excited to welcome to the show for 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:38.160 the very first time Kaivon Stroff, who is a Democratic 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:43.120 strategist and commentator who I discovered on TikTok. But we're 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:48.000 in the tweets together as well. Let's start with the 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.800 disaster and catastrophic political climate that we are living in. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.840 You cover a lot of the same topics that I 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.360 cover here on the show on Woke app and so 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:06.040 I want to talk first about McCarthy this week. Kevin 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:11.560 McCarthy pretty much is I think that Kevin McCarthy may 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.160 flip flop more than a pancake. I think that he 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.560 may flip flop more than like I do in the 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:21.800 summer because the way in which these tapes that the 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.400 New York Times reporters have been, you know, kind of 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.720 drip drip dripping out. And I'll talk about journalistic integrity 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.079 in a minute, because I believe that those tapes should 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.120 have been released before before they wanted to use the 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.800 contents of it to hawk a book. But what did 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:44.560 you make of his reception by the Republican Congress post 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:48.400 these tapes coming out? He walked into a standing ovation, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.360 right exactly. And I think it's honestly, it's nothing new, 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.360 and it's just the latest example. And I know you 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.200 talk about this a lot of Democrats constantly wanting to 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:02.840 have this good faith change and engagement and political discourse 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.079 and like the other party is so far beyond that 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.960 and it's not even on the table. And so I 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:13.120 think it's yet again, you know, the shamelessness that that's 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.480 present there. And also I think it's it's sort of 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.880 an indictment of the media because you know, they're also 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.480 playing this role in not effectively communicating what is happening 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.800 in this moment, and to your point, maybe even you know, 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.120 playing a role in covering it up and perpetuating it. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.680 You know, I think we're having a crisis moment in democracy, 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.840 but it's very directly related to an industry crisis that 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.640 the media has been having for many years now. You know, 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.560 I can recall, and I've said this before on the show. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.320 I can recall being on MSNBC walking the halls of 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:48.080 MSNBC and people telling me, you know, Trump is so 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.320 bad for the country. He's great for writings, though our 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.440 numbers have never been higher. And so when you are 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.560 faced with the I guess it is the like the 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.560 siren call of integrity is what gets me to do 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.640 my show in the way that I do it every 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.880 single day. But when you are part of these you know, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.280 media conglomerates who are addicted to ratings, It's where they 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.080 get their sponsors from, it's where they get their money from. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.640 What should what do you think they should be doing? 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.040 Or is it the responsibility of folks who go on 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:25.240 air right to bring to light the fact that we 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.800 shouldn't be having both sides conversations. We shouldn't be referring 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.520 to the Republican Party as if it is worthy of 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.600 being an ideological adversary when they have turned themselves into 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.120 pretty much a cult. Absolutely. Actually, I'm so glad you 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.040 asked this because I'm in the midst of a big 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.800 research project for a program at Harvard where I'm studying. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.280 You know, what I am going to argue is the 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.480 shift of incentives for media in the past few decades, 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.840 and I think one of those big shifts has been 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:57.440 social media and the change in it's about integrity, but 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.800 it's also about who's called to be a journalist. Like 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.960 when I was in high school and growing up, you know, 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.320 we were raised like that was a public facing role 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.480 with like you know, almost a civic duty. And today 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.480 I feel like the goal is to become social media 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.600 famous and get a book deal and then go talk 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.040 about your book deal on cable news, and all the 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.080 incentives that come along with that aren't good for the truth, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.280 they're not good for democracy. And I think also they 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.680 draw the wrong people into media and journalism and then 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.080 you know, it perpetuates, So I think that's part of 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.880 the problem. I also think, you know, the function of 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.720 the media typically is to be that fourth the state 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.160 that's you know, the check on our government and powerful people. 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.000 And now you know, there's so much overlap in the 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:44.400 media and elitism and power that who's checking them? And 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.960 I think, you know, it's a difficult issue because I'm 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:49.680 sure people that are on Twitter like us, you know, 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.600 I've been following the backlash to that political story where 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.520 they call Vice President Harris Kamala and you know, debating 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:00.320 the sort of you know, institutional sexism and racism that 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.520 might be reflected in something like that, and the fact 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:08.359 that it keeps happening across organizations again and again, right like, 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.679 this is not a one off, um, And so I 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.760 do think that, you know, that's a huge part of 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.200 the issue. You know, it's so funny because and I 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.239 you know, I commented on the political story because I 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.439 was like, what the hell is this? Was anybody you 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.120 know at Politico referring to Mike Pence as Mike right 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.440 when he was when he was vice president? No, they weren't. 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.000 And so to have a title of an article that 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:39.080 goes through several layers of approval before it goes up 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:44.560 to have nobody question right like that that that I 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.720 don't even want to say that it is casualness, because 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.439 I actually think that it was done as a dig. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:52.920 How how did it land for you? Did it land 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:54.960 as something that was done as a dig? Or was 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.840 it casual writing? I think so. As part of my 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:00.680 research for this product, I've actual been talking to a 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:05.120 few reporters who I respect and asking questions like how 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.879 does a failure of this nature occur? And how does 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.640 it occur so often? And you know, I think they 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.000 really are missing it to some extent, you know, I 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.080 think that it's truly a people problem because that lack 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.800 of diversity that you know, like you wouldn't need a 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.119 protocol in place to catch that issue if you just 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.920 had a diverse staff, because they would have the background 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.120 and lived experience to catch it right away. They would 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.080 see it right away. Like when I'm reading the story, 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:31.960 I see it right away. When you're reading the story, 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.920 you see it right away. So who isn't at political 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.639 or whatever organization to catch that already? You know? And 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.320 then I think it triggers this really dangerous cycle, which 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.240 is that what form of accountability is there not one? 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.399 So what does the public do? We yell on Twitter? 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.399 We have a huge backlash and then the media feels 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.880 attacked and because they don't quite get it, they want 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:56.719 to respond and they want to you know, like I 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.960 saw whatever some exchange, like some Democrat I think someone 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.960 journalist from Politico called out that, you know, like Democrats 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.399 had used Kamalaine an email or something like that, and 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.560 the person that everyone's responding like, it's not the same. 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.560 You're the media, you have a specific role. Other people 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.080 have a different role, right, So, like we need some 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.120 other way to check people other than screaming online because 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.879 I do honestly think it's not that effective to some extent, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:22.800 Like I'm glad again called out because we need to 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.320 educate more and more people to understand what's why is 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.600 it a problem. But I do think that's missing into me. 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.840 One of the solutions, in an honest conversation would be 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.640 media checking each other. And you know, they don't want 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.680 to do that. I feel like there's this complicity where 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.880 it's like their team journalism against not against the people, 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:44.440 I want to say, but to some extent it is 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.200 against the people because it's like if I seed here 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.560 that you know so and so from this media outlet 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.280 did something wrong. The next time the Twitter mop comes around, 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:53.960 They're not going to depend to me. But what if 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.439 we all just did a better job? You know, Like 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.239 I don't know, isn't that on the table? You know? 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.679 I let's talk about Twitter for a moment as well, 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.080 because I've been raging against Elon Musk now for at 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:10.720 least two weeks, and you know, because my feeling is 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:15.880 that Twitter, the advent of Twitter was about creating a 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:21.120 digital town hall space. Right, we know that Twitter is 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:26.000 also a very toxic place filled with lots of trolls. 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.720 Some of the things that people say in the comment 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.480 is saying comments and post they would never say to 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.240 somebody's face, right, it is bio And particularly if you're 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.320 a woman, if you're a queer woman like I am, 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:42.560 if you're a black woman, that kind of hyper vitriol 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:47.719 also happens as well, with Elon Musk saying that the 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.560 reason why he wants to buy Twitter is to increase 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:57.000 free speech, to have a full on free speech space. 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.280 What do you hear when you hear somebody like Elon 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.719 must talk about free speech? Yeah, so I think it 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:05.640 goes hand in hand when I hear the sort of 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.359 if we're pissing everybody off, which he just said yesterday, 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.320 Right the left and the right, we're doing something right. 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.080 And this idea of like some you know, catchall free 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:14.960 speech definition that I think, you know, they have a 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.000 very limited working understanding of what free speeches in this 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:22.520 country is. It sounds like you're walking into a freshman 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.040 political science seminar, honestly, and it's embarrassing. I mean, this guy, 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.520 you know so much more. You should have so much 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.399 deeper insight into these issues if you care. And I 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.200 do feel like also there's this like urge that somehow 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.000 society has again probably driven by some of our you know, 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.560 non diverse institutions, to call people like Elon Musk or 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:45.160 even Jack Dorsey a genius. It's like these people had 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.400 one skill they have like a very technical, very sort 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.560 of you know, hard skill. They don't know how to 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.760 design social systems. They don't know about you know, politics 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.000 and democracy and how to design a platform. Like they're 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.480 just free wheeling here. Like so, I don't know why 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.480 we would ever defer to this group of individuals to 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.879 make these decisions. And I do think that, you know, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.680 I tweeted out and like I was actually like surprised. 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.919 I'm you know, doing a bunch of work and just 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.600 was like distracted from Twitter for a little bit, put 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:16.440 out a tweet saying, you know, Twitter's gonna get worse 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.879 for minorities and women. When Elon Musk stakes over because 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:21.800 of the things he said, right like, if you're going 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:26.080 to stop content moderation, obviously things that were being moderated 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.240 will stop being moderated. A lot of the things being moderated, 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:32.520 we're attacks on minorities and women. And then the backlash 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.120 thousands of comments. You know, I think it's so ironic 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.760 because it's like why, why does me saying that drive 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.280 you crazy? And also you know, like I know you 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.960 use Twitter to get your message out. I'm using Twitter 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.640 to talk to people and share ideas that like are 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:51.080 on team sane, team want to get things done. Yeah, 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.480 Like I'm not even trying to like something like if 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.959 a bench Shapiro or somebody's engaging me, Like, I'm not 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.679 trying to engage that. I'm trying to like talk to 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.080 my people who want to listen and have discussions and 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.520 maybe disagree on some you know, things within a range 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.600 of reasonableness. But you know, I'm not there to convince 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.280 some quan On conspiracy theorist of anything. And I think 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.280 there's also this level of white mail privilege in that 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:19.520 like debate me meme of like you know, everyone wanting 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.400 AOC or whoever to debate them. It's like, I don't 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:24.640 know you a debate. I don't know you a conversation. 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.159 Like you're not even doing the bare minimum here. You 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:31.200 are yelling at me online like in response to something 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.680 that it's not even addressed to you. So you know, yeah, 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:35.720 I find it very odd. I do think, and I 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.760