1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps in, and welcome to wogay F Daily 2 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: let me ask this question this morning. Why is it 4 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: that to the media, the Supreme Court leak of the 5 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: draft opinion by Justice Alito is more important than the 6 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: content of the draft that we all saw and read. 7 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing. I continue to say this 8 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: on wogay F because it is an independent show. And 9 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: what do I mean by that. I mean that we're 10 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: not bought or sold by corporate interests, right whose interests 11 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: are ratings above the sanctity and the preservation of our democracy. 12 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: You see, as I'm watching the news come out with 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: regard to what is it that Democrats are going to 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: do about codifying the right to an abortion in this country, which, 15 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: by the way, is nothing. They're not going to do 16 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: a fucking thing, just like they're not going to do 17 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: anything about voting rights, just like they're not going to 18 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: do anything about police reform. Just like as they can 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: see and as was uttered out of the President's mouth, 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: this is not where Republicans are ending. They are starting 21 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: with abortion, and then they are going to attack every 22 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: single constitutional right that we have been able to achieve 23 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: over the last fifty to sixty years in this country, which, 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: mind you, is pretty much every civil right that was 25 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: given to everyone that was not six white straits and mail. Okay, 26 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: So the reality here is that the media is complicit 27 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: in the demise of our democracy. I say this all 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: the time because they have an obligation right to awaken 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: the American people to the truth, to inform them of 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: the truth, right so that we have an informed citizenury 31 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: that can make decisions about who it is that they 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: want to choose to be representative of their voice, right 33 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: of the issues that matter to them. But instead of 34 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: us focusing on the fact that, for the first time 35 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: in American history, we are not about the expansion of 36 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: rights in this country, we are about the rescinding thereof 37 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: That means that everything in this country is on the table, 38 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: and we are still fucking sitting around talking with and 39 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: two Republicans as if they are a legitimate, fucking political 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: party instead of an authoritarian regime that is chopping at 41 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: the bit to get power which they will never relinquish. 42 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: Elections are a fucking suggestion to them when you start 43 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: to idolize people like Putin and Orbon and MBS and others. 44 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: You are saying all of the things that we need 45 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: to know by virtue of your support for these people, 46 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: you do not believe in the foundational principles of democracy. Now, 47 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: I am the first person to say that America is 48 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: an imperfect, imperfect fucking place, that there is nothing that 49 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: is perfect or should be admired about our democracy. That 50 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: we have better ideology, ideology and theoretical beliefs around our 51 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: democracy than we actually do the practice of said democracy. 52 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: But given that, even given that each generation has had 53 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: an obligation to bend the arc further towards justice, and 54 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: what Republicans have signified with this move and they're rapid 55 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: Republicans on the Supreme Court, which they stacked because they 56 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: stole seats, But they stole seats from people who didn't 57 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: want to call out the thievery. So if you make 58 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: no real big uproar about Mitch McConnell against the Constitution 59 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: and denying a sitting president the ability to seat federal 60 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: judges as well as a Supreme Court justice, if you 61 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: just allowed that shit to slide, then don't turn around 62 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: and be shocked that the very people who stole from you, 63 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: right in front of your fucking face, then turn around 64 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: and say that we're going to start checking off of 65 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: our list how we turn America into an apartheid fucking state. 66 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: Why are people acting shocked? Why am I hearing things 67 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: from the likes of Lisa Murkowski and fucking Susan Collins 68 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: about how dismayed they are. Bitch, sit down, go clutch 69 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: your pearls someplace else. Because you see, we all knew 70 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: who Brett Kavanaugh was. You know why, because doctor Christine 71 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,559 Speaker 1: Blaisie Ford told us who Brett Kavanaugh was, and Brett 72 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh told us who he was when he was screaming 73 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: right in the face, spitting, showing any thing but the dignity, 74 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: right and grace that an actual Supreme Court justice should show, 75 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: which is what Judge Brown Jackson showed us a couple 76 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: of months ago during her confirmation hearings. So why is 77 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: it now that Republican women are turning around and saying, 78 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: oh my god, I had no idea that these people 79 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: would lie under oath. You supported a president that lied 80 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: from the podium every day. You supported a president that 81 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: cleared out Lafayette Square so that he could go and 82 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: pose with a book that he doesn't read in front 83 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: of a church that he doesn't attend. You stood by 84 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: the liar in chief that asked for protesters. You know 85 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: that First Amendment the right to assemble to be shot 86 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: in the leg or in the foot. Can't you just 87 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: shoot him? Though? So, why is it now that you 88 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: want to turn around and you want to act like 89 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: a fucking leak out of the Supreme Court? Is the 90 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: biggest problem that we have, where in fact, the biggest 91 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: problem that we have is fucking apathy in this country 92 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: is the fact that we continue to support and watch 93 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: a media apparatus that legitimizes the cult that is the 94 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: Republican Party, that we're not talking about the fact that 95 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: abortion is where they start and not where they end, 96 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: and that by virtue of people like Marjorie Taylor Green 97 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: using conjuring up the name of Satan right saying that 98 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: these people, the Democratic Party and our leaders are pedophiles. Right, 99 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: where do you think that this is going to go? 100 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: It is going to go towards violence, and then they 101 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: are going to justify that violence by saying that they 102 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: are warriors for the Christian faith. And that we need 103 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: to just beat the gay out of these people, We 104 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: need to beat the progressivism out of them, we need 105 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: to beat right them into submission. These are the same people, 106 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: descendants of the same people that use the Bible in 107 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: order to justify slavery, the torture and the terrorism directed 108 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: at black people in this country that still persists. So 109 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: why is it that they turn around now and the 110 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: media is going to legitimize their shock as if they 111 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: didn't know what the fuck they were doing and weren't 112 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: complicit in it. I'm tired of the lies, folks, I 113 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: really am. I'm tired of the lies. I'm tired of 114 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: the euphemisms. I'm tired of the mincing of words. Republicans 115 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: want one thing and one thing only, and that is power. 116 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: And when they get it, when they steal it, they 117 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: are never going to let it go again. Like I 118 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: said in my article for the Daily Beasts with regard 119 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: to Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the asking by Obama of 120 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: her to retire, what I said there is that you 121 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: do not get a second bite at this apple, so 122 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: you better make the bite that you take really fucking 123 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: deep and big. But the reality is is that Democrats 124 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: do not have that kind of energy. The energy that 125 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: we saw from Senator Elizabeth Warren. That's not the energy 126 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: that we've seen come out of Biden and come out 127 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris's mouth. Oh, the Vice President wanted to 128 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: say that she is outdone right by the fact that 129 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: these that this court would take away the rights of women. 130 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: You have known that this is coming down the pike. 131 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: You knew that this case was up. But then when 132 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: we turn around and we say, what's the fucking strategy? Oh, well, 133 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: elections have consequences. Well, guess what. We had a historic 134 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: turnout in twenty twenty. So you're telling me that even 135 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: though we had a historic turnout in the midst of 136 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: a fucking pandemic before there were even vaccinations available, you 137 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: want to tell me now that elections have consequences. I'm 138 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: still looking for the consequences that insurrections should have. Dude, 139 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: that does that have consequences? Are No? I just did 140 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: a hit where you know we're talking about what are 141 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: the issues that matter to the American people? I don't know. 142 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: How about truth? How about believing and trusting and having 143 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: faith in our governmental agencies to do what it is 144 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: that they say that they are supposed to do. How 145 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: about having faith that when you do things that are wrong, 146 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: like violently try and overturn your country's election, that you 147 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: are persecuted to the highest extent of the law. Except No, 148 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: We're more concerned with folks inside of the Supreme Court 149 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: that want to alert the public to what is coming 150 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: down the pike as opposed to what insurrectionists did in 151 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: broad daylight and face no consequences for We have report 152 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: and report and headline after headline talking about all of 153 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: the egregious ways that Donald Trump and his acolytes went 154 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: to extreme lengths to try and overturn this election. As 155 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: Don Trump Junior said, we have all the paths to power. Again, 156 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: I say, where are the consequences for this? Who is 157 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: been indicted? I'm told no one cares about the insurrection anymore, Damielle. 158 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: They care about kitchen table issues. Well, your kitchen table 159 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: issues won't fucking matter when you're being chained to your 160 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: home because you can't get an abortion, when you're being 161 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: told that you can actually work because you were queer, 162 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: when you're no longer able to receive the benefits of 163 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: being married because you're in the same sex relationship, when 164 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: you are being denied access to federal benefits because now 165 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: we're going after interracial marriage, when your kid is not 166 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: going to be able to get the kind of education 167 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: that they need because oh, guess what, we're going back 168 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: to segregating schools that have nothing to do with equity. 169 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: This is where all of this is headed. This is 170 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: not hyperbole. And Democrats are sitting around staring up at 171 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: the sky like they didn't know this was fucking coming, 172 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: and as if they didn't know who they were dealing with. 173 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: But how could they because they don't identify the villain. 174 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: They don't call these people out. They keep trying to 175 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: call them fucking in, call you into what and so 176 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: that you can shit in the Capitol building again, in 177 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: so that maybe this time the guilty and that you 178 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: bill will actually be successful in hanging the vice president 179 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: of the United States, Like, what the fuck are we 180 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: doing here? You want to talk to me about kitchen 181 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: table issues. I want to talk to you about places 182 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: who were once democratic that are no longer, countries that 183 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: are riddled with fear and anxiety and depression, where only 184 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: the richest of the rich are doing well and everyone 185 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: else is living in some version of the fucking Hunger 186 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: Games meets the Handmaid's Tale. That's where the fuck this 187 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: is headed. But once again Democrats seem to be caught 188 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: off guard, folks. Coming up in today's show, I'm really 189 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: excited to welcome to the show for the first time 190 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: Kaivon Shroff, who is a Democratic commentator, and he's going 191 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: to talk to us about the use of social media 192 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: with you know, platforms like TikTok, Instagram and others, and 193 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: how we get our message out and what it is 194 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: that he thinks that Democrats should be doing to rile 195 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: up our base. That conversation is coming up next, folks. 196 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: I am so excited to welcome to the show for 197 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: the very first time Kaivon Stroff, who is a Democratic 198 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: strategist and commentator who I discovered on TikTok. But we're 199 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: in the tweets together as well. Let's start with the 200 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: disaster and catastrophic political climate that we are living in. 201 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: You cover a lot of the same topics that I 202 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: cover here on the show on Woke app and so 203 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: I want to talk first about McCarthy this week. Kevin 204 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: McCarthy pretty much is I think that Kevin McCarthy may 205 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: flip flop more than a pancake. I think that he 206 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: may flip flop more than like I do in the 207 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: summer because the way in which these tapes that the 208 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: New York Times reporters have been, you know, kind of 209 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: drip drip dripping out. And I'll talk about journalistic integrity 210 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: in a minute, because I believe that those tapes should 211 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: have been released before before they wanted to use the 212 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: contents of it to hawk a book. But what did 213 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: you make of his reception by the Republican Congress post 214 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: these tapes coming out? He walked into a standing ovation, 215 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: right exactly. And I think it's honestly, it's nothing new, 216 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: and it's just the latest example. And I know you 217 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: talk about this a lot of Democrats constantly wanting to 218 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: have this good faith change and engagement and political discourse 219 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: and like the other party is so far beyond that 220 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: and it's not even on the table. And so I 221 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: think it's yet again, you know, the shamelessness that that's 222 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: present there. And also I think it's it's sort of 223 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: an indictment of the media because you know, they're also 224 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: playing this role in not effectively communicating what is happening 225 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: in this moment, and to your point, maybe even you know, 226 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: playing a role in covering it up and perpetuating it. 227 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: You know, I think we're having a crisis moment in democracy, 228 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: but it's very directly related to an industry crisis that 229 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: the media has been having for many years now. You know, 230 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: I can recall, and I've said this before on the show. 231 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: I can recall being on MSNBC walking the halls of 232 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: MSNBC and people telling me, you know, Trump is so 233 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: bad for the country. He's great for writings, though our 234 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: numbers have never been higher. And so when you are 235 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: faced with the I guess it is the like the 236 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: siren call of integrity is what gets me to do 237 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: my show in the way that I do it every 238 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: single day. But when you are part of these you know, 239 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: media conglomerates who are addicted to ratings, It's where they 240 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: get their sponsors from, it's where they get their money from. 241 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: What should what do you think they should be doing? 242 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: Or is it the responsibility of folks who go on 243 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: air right to bring to light the fact that we 244 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't be having both sides conversations. We shouldn't be referring 245 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: to the Republican Party as if it is worthy of 246 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: being an ideological adversary when they have turned themselves into 247 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: pretty much a cult. Absolutely. Actually, I'm so glad you 248 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: asked this because I'm in the midst of a big 249 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: research project for a program at Harvard where I'm studying. 250 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: You know, what I am going to argue is the 251 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: shift of incentives for media in the past few decades, 252 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: and I think one of those big shifts has been 253 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: social media and the change in it's about integrity, but 254 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: it's also about who's called to be a journalist. Like 255 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: when I was in high school and growing up, you know, 256 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: we were raised like that was a public facing role 257 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: with like you know, almost a civic duty. And today 258 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: I feel like the goal is to become social media 259 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: famous and get a book deal and then go talk 260 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: about your book deal on cable news, and all the 261 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: incentives that come along with that aren't good for the truth, 262 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: they're not good for democracy. And I think also they 263 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: draw the wrong people into media and journalism and then 264 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, it perpetuates, So I think that's part of 265 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: the problem. I also think, you know, the function of 266 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: the media typically is to be that fourth the state 267 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: that's you know, the check on our government and powerful people. 268 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: And now you know, there's so much overlap in the 269 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: media and elitism and power that who's checking them? And 270 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's a difficult issue because I'm 271 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: sure people that are on Twitter like us, you know, 272 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: I've been following the backlash to that political story where 273 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: they call Vice President Harris Kamala and you know, debating 274 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: the sort of you know, institutional sexism and racism that 275 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: might be reflected in something like that, and the fact 276 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: that it keeps happening across organizations again and again, right like, 277 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: this is not a one off, um, And so I 278 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: do think that, you know, that's a huge part of 279 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: the issue. You know, it's so funny because and I 280 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 1: you know, I commented on the political story because I 281 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: was like, what the hell is this? Was anybody you 282 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: know at Politico referring to Mike Pence as Mike right 283 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: when he was when he was vice president? No, they weren't. 284 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: And so to have a title of an article that 285 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: goes through several layers of approval before it goes up 286 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: to have nobody question right like that that that I 287 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: don't even want to say that it is casualness, because 288 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: I actually think that it was done as a dig. 289 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: How how did it land for you? Did it land 290 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: as something that was done as a dig? Or was 291 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: it casual writing? I think so. As part of my 292 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: research for this product, I've actual been talking to a 293 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: few reporters who I respect and asking questions like how 294 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: does a failure of this nature occur? And how does 295 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: it occur so often? And you know, I think they 296 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: really are missing it to some extent, you know, I 297 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: think that it's truly a people problem because that lack 298 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: of diversity that you know, like you wouldn't need a 299 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: protocol in place to catch that issue if you just 300 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: had a diverse staff, because they would have the background 301 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: and lived experience to catch it right away. They would 302 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: see it right away. Like when I'm reading the story, 303 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: I see it right away. When you're reading the story, 304 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: you see it right away. So who isn't at political 305 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: or whatever organization to catch that already? You know? And 306 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: then I think it triggers this really dangerous cycle, which 307 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: is that what form of accountability is there not one? 308 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: So what does the public do? We yell on Twitter? 309 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: We have a huge backlash and then the media feels 310 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: attacked and because they don't quite get it, they want 311 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 1: to respond and they want to you know, like I 312 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: saw whatever some exchange, like some Democrat I think someone 313 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: journalist from Politico called out that, you know, like Democrats 314 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: had used Kamalaine an email or something like that, and 315 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: the person that everyone's responding like, it's not the same. 316 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: You're the media, you have a specific role. Other people 317 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: have a different role, right, So, like we need some 318 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: other way to check people other than screaming online because 319 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: I do honestly think it's not that effective to some extent, 320 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: Like I'm glad again called out because we need to 321 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: educate more and more people to understand what's why is 322 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: it a problem. But I do think that's missing into me. 323 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: One of the solutions, in an honest conversation would be 324 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: media checking each other. And you know, they don't want 325 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: to do that. I feel like there's this complicity where 326 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: it's like their team journalism against not against the people, 327 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: I want to say, but to some extent it is 328 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: against the people because it's like if I seed here 329 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: that you know so and so from this media outlet 330 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: did something wrong. The next time the Twitter mop comes around, 331 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: They're not going to depend to me. But what if 332 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: we all just did a better job? You know, Like 333 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, isn't that on the table? You know? 334 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: I let's talk about Twitter for a moment as well, 335 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: because I've been raging against Elon Musk now for at 336 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: least two weeks, and you know, because my feeling is 337 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: that Twitter, the advent of Twitter was about creating a 338 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: digital town hall space. Right, we know that Twitter is 339 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: also a very toxic place filled with lots of trolls. 340 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: Some of the things that people say in the comment 341 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: is saying comments and post they would never say to 342 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: somebody's face, right, it is bio And particularly if you're 343 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: a woman, if you're a queer woman like I am, 344 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: if you're a black woman, that kind of hyper vitriol 345 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 1: also happens as well, with Elon Musk saying that the 346 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: reason why he wants to buy Twitter is to increase 347 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: free speech, to have a full on free speech space. 348 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: What do you hear when you hear somebody like Elon 349 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: must talk about free speech? Yeah, so I think it 350 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: goes hand in hand when I hear the sort of 351 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: if we're pissing everybody off, which he just said yesterday, 352 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: Right the left and the right, we're doing something right. 353 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: And this idea of like some you know, catchall free 354 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: speech definition that I think, you know, they have a 355 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: very limited working understanding of what free speeches in this 356 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: country is. It sounds like you're walking into a freshman 357 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: political science seminar, honestly, and it's embarrassing. I mean, this guy, 358 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: you know so much more. You should have so much 359 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: deeper insight into these issues if you care. And I 360 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: do feel like also there's this like urge that somehow 361 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: society has again probably driven by some of our you know, 362 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: non diverse institutions, to call people like Elon Musk or 363 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: even Jack Dorsey a genius. It's like these people had 364 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: one skill they have like a very technical, very sort 365 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: of you know, hard skill. They don't know how to 366 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: design social systems. They don't know about you know, politics 367 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: and democracy and how to design a platform. Like they're 368 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: just free wheeling here. Like so, I don't know why 369 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: we would ever defer to this group of individuals to 370 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: make these decisions. And I do think that, you know, 371 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: I tweeted out and like I was actually like surprised. 372 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: I'm you know, doing a bunch of work and just 373 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: was like distracted from Twitter for a little bit, put 374 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: out a tweet saying, you know, Twitter's gonna get worse 375 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: for minorities and women. When Elon Musk stakes over because 376 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: of the things he said, right like, if you're going 377 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: to stop content moderation, obviously things that were being moderated 378 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: will stop being moderated. A lot of the things being moderated, 379 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: we're attacks on minorities and women. And then the backlash 380 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: thousands of comments. You know, I think it's so ironic 381 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: because it's like why, why does me saying that drive 382 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: you crazy? And also you know, like I know you 383 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: use Twitter to get your message out. I'm using Twitter 384 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: to talk to people and share ideas that like are 385 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: on team sane, team want to get things done. Yeah, 386 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: Like I'm not even trying to like something like if 387 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 1: a bench Shapiro or somebody's engaging me, Like, I'm not 388 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: trying to engage that. I'm trying to like talk to 389 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: my people who want to listen and have discussions and 390 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: maybe disagree on some you know, things within a range 391 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: of reasonableness. But you know, I'm not there to convince 392 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: some quan On conspiracy theorist of anything. And I think 393 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: there's also this level of white mail privilege in that 394 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: like debate me meme of like you know, everyone wanting 395 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: AOC or whoever to debate them. It's like, I don't 396 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: know you a debate. I don't know you a conversation. 397 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: Like you're not even doing the bare minimum here. You 398 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: are yelling at me online like in response to something 399 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: that it's not even addressed to you. So you know, yeah, 400 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: I find it very odd. I do think, and I 401 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: know you know you're also on TikTok now, and I've 402 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: been experimenting there. I think I do notice a little 403 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: bit of a difference. You know, people aren't as willing 404 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: to go as crazy or say, you know, as intense 405 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: things because you're on video and you're recording it and 406 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: you are sort of having that human element. And I 407 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: think that's a very interesting transition that we might see 408 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: happening more and more as to continues to dominate. Yeah, 409 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I do. I think TikTok for me, 410 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: and I've been telling the audience here at woke af 411 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: you know, if you aren't following on TikTok, you should 412 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: because initially, um I will say I am older than 413 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: the TikTok than the TikTok audience or who I perceived 414 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: the TikTok audience to be. So when folks were like, Danielle, 415 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: you should take you know, you should take pieces, you know, 416 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: bite pieces of your show and put it up on TikTok, 417 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: and I was just like, do you think thirteen year 418 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: olds care about politics? I mean I did when I 419 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: was thirteen, but I was a weirdo. So I was like, 420 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 1: you know, what do you find How how have you 421 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: changed I guess or maybe you haven't, or how have 422 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: you adapted your Twitter conversation and like repertoire to this 423 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: TikTok landscape? And what drove you there? Right? Like, you're 424 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: at Harvard, you're finishing your you know, your your your research. 425 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: There you're in like these elite spaces and circles. What 426 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: drew you to a space that was deemed you know, 427 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: for for teens and twins? Yeah, of course, you know. 428 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: So actually it's very similar to what drew me to Twitter. 429 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: So I went to Brown for undergrad. I then got 430 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: my mba Yale. These very sort of elite I think, 431 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, like there is a bubble sense to these spaces, 432 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: and also this idea that these tools that are taking 433 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: over democracy should not be considered seriously or they're not academic, 434 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: and I just fundamentally disagreed with that. So I felt 435 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: like there was a lot of the time rare and 436 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: really actually went to business school hoping that I could 437 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: study how, you know, big datas in these civic tech 438 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: tools could kind of you know, bridge divides and lower 439 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: barriers to conversation, and of course it hasn't really gone 440 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: that way, but um, that's what drew me to it. 441 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: And then I got really interested in the twenty sixteen 442 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: campaign because I was a big Hilo supporter. Um, I 443 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: don't know where you were on that, but I M 444 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: but you know, yes. But anyways, so right, like coming 445 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: out of Brown, very liberal area, and all my friends 446 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: online were like very different Bernie, and there was so 447 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: much internet content because like that's the generation that knows 448 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: how to make a meme and what to tweet and 449 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: all that stuff. But I actually knew that there was 450 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: this group of like fervent Hillary supporters, typically like older 451 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: women who were online and a lot of people get 452 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: their news online and they're reading it and they might 453 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: not be producing content, but they're they're consuming it, and 454 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: so like I want to create content that you know, 455 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: they could resonate with and people like that. So you know, 456 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: I just started putting stuff out there and eventually, like 457 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: I feel like you learn, right, like what what conversations 458 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: do people want to have? And it's the same on TikTok, 459 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: like which I again think you know a lot of 460 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: people that are on Twitter or older are very nervous 461 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: about TikTok and you're there worsom dating I guess so 462 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: found out right that like Facebook was funding Republican lobbyists 463 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: to push some of that narrative. Um. But anyways, you know, 464 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: I think like when I have my little cousins come 465 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: to me with like something that's either like not necessarily 466 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: true or you know, something they learned on TikTok, I'm like, wow, 467 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: this is a powerful tool. Um. They're people are getting 468 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: so much information from here, whether it's good information or 469 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: bad information. So I thought it was interesting to be 470 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: on there, and you know, to try to put stuff 471 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: out there. And frankly, you know, there's a huge incentive 472 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: in that. The reach is insane, Like I it's so 473 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: crazy doing Twitter for years, and I think I have 474 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, like one hundred thousand plus followers or something 475 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: like that minus thumb given the recent days whatever, something happen. 476 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: But you know, on TikTok, like I put out, I'm 477 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: kind of a newbie. Millennial dams follow us. But um, 478 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: you know, you get millions of views on you know, 479 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: a video without much of a following, and so the 480 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: algorithm and just the access is so much greater the potential. 481 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: So that's what's pretty intriguing about it. Yeah, and I 482 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: find I found the same reason the reasons that you 483 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: provided to when I was being convinced right um, to 484 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: go onto TikTok and like really, you know, just play around. 485 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: They're like, don't take yourself so seriously. You know you 486 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: will figure out like your rhyme and rhythm. But see 487 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: what is going out there. I was so shocked. I 488 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: was shocked by, you know, the spiritual content that comes 489 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: up in my feed. I'm shocked by the political content 490 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: and how thoughtful it is, because I just thought that 491 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: it was really bad dances and bullshit, right like, And 492 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: I think that as we are seeing, you know, these 493 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: spaces pop up if we are if we are committed 494 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: to democracy, and part of being committed to democracy is 495 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: educating the public. Then you have to go where the 496 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: public is right. We can't just you know, say to 497 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: ourselves and you know, like, oh, I'm gonna pooh pooh 498 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: that and stay within my bubble to your earlier point, 499 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: because then we're just talking to each other. I don't 500 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: need to convince a bunch of folks at Harvard and Yale, 501 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, who are who are who are democrats like 502 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: about what's going on. I need to convince people who 503 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: basically stop watching the news or have opted out of 504 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, out of the political discourse because it's become 505 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: too toxic. But if they see a sixty second or 506 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: a thirty second video on TikTok, they're like, oh shit, 507 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: you're right, you know, like it's something well. And also 508 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: I think like two things, Like one, that's the reason, 509 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: like I'm not going to be leaving Twitter no matter 510 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: who's owning it or whatever, because we have to change. 511 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: Oh good, I'm happy. And then second, you know, I 512 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: think it's also like it's not just like about convincing 513 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: other people that aren't in these places, it's about learning 514 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: from them too, you know, like I feel like so 515 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: many times on Twitter, I will gain perspective from whether 516 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: it's a couple of hours that comment in responses something 517 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: nic say or whatever, and I'll be like, you know, 518 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: well maybe I'll rethink that, or you know, wow, like 519 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: this is really resonating with people, and this other thing 520 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: that I thought like was super important people cared a 521 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: lot about, Like maybe isn't resonating as much, and like 522 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: that's just like instant data and feedback. And I do 523 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: think that like one thing, unfortunately, that Democrats aren't as 524 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: strong again and like I love that viral you know 525 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: video of that local senator for Michigan, but yes, yeah, 526 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: go on, and you know that was going on offense 527 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: in a speech in person. But I do also think, 528 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's a way to within the bounds of 529 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, reasonable discourse, operationalize these tools in a much 530 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: more effective way, Like don't be just putting out pictures 531 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 1: and graphics with like you know, bubble words and whatever. 532 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: Like engage. You know, Republicans really do engage. And I 533 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: think like, obviously they're doing things that I wouldn't recommend, 534 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, Democrats do that, I do think across the line. 535 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: But like why aren't they superstars on you know, across 536 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: social media. It should be. So you know, that's interesting 537 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: too that you talk about the superstars, because I think 538 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: that you know, I have all long been advocating for 539 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: Democrats to take a page out of republicans playbook, but 540 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: for good right, like, we don't have to make up stories, 541 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: We don't have to make up lies. The facts are 542 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: on our side. But hitting people over the head with 543 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: your bullet points is not selling right. Part of the 544 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: other work that I do is I do media training 545 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: for a lot of democratic organizations, nonprofit organizations, movement leadership 546 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: and what have you. And I keep telling folks like 547 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: I need you to tell compelling stories. I need to 548 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: hear anecdotes. I don't need to. If one more fucking 549 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: person tells me that eighty percent of Americans are on 550 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: the side on the side of row, I will scream 551 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter that eighty percent of Americans believe 552 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: in abortion when we're going to lose abortion in the 553 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: when the decision comes down in June, it doesn't matter. 554 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: And so yeah, no, go ahead, because talk to me 555 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: about how you tell like, how you tell stories, how 556 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: you're taking these headlines but you're not just giving people 557 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: the facts, you're saying more than that. Well, also, I 558 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: think there's like it's part of this conversation of the 559 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: short term versus the long run, and I feel like 560 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: Democrats are always like coming to this logic of like, oh, well, 561 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: I learned that whatever school that like in the long run, 562 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: doing this is that for democracy. But it's like, we're 563 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: about to lose the whole democracy, so you better focus 564 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: on the short run because it's not tip for tad 565 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: at this point that you know, if you do this 566 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: in four years when Republicans control all branches, they might 567 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: do it back. It's like we're not going back, you know. 568 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: If we're not gonna get we're not going to get another's. 569 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: And like, by the way, mid terms, Like I don't 570 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: understand like there should be daily freaking out about what's 571 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: going to happen in midterms one way or the other, frankly, 572 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: because we need to win that Like it should be 573 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: no question, no debate, Like and are there things that 574 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: I think Biden should be doing? Absolutely? Are there things 575 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: that the Democrats should be doing? And like, while we 576 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: even you know, sort of criticize some of the tactics, 577 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: Democrats are using here like everybody listening, go make a 578 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: plan to vote for Democrats right now, you know, like 579 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter at some point, like yes, what I 580 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: wish there was more energy, And do I think we 581 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: have better people and better options to be filling some 582 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: of these roles. Absolutely, but Team good and Team bad 583 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: right now are so far apart, Like I can't even 584 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: begin the conversation, you know, about somebody not voting, you know, 585 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: and really not voting the Democrats, Like that's what we're 586 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: voting on in midterms. You know. Somebody had said to 587 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: me in a comment I think it was earlier this 588 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: week on Twitter where they were like, you know, here 589 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: you have Donald Trump, you have his acolytes like Ron 590 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: de Santis who are coming up right behind him, who 591 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: are savvier, right, but just as vile. And there's a 592 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: bench of these people, right. The mini de Santis is 593 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: that they have all around they are building a bench, 594 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: right and have been. What is it? Why don't you 595 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: think that Democrats build a bench. Why is it that 596 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm hearing right in the in the twitter Ville that 597 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders hasn't taken running for president off the table yet, 598 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: And I'm like bitch, you're this is who is asking 599 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: for that? And also like and again I do think 600 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: like that is one where I'll say, like I think 601 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: the media plays a role because why is that a headline? 602 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: Nobody cares? Like who asked him the question? Like he 603 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: probably wasn't even ready or response because it's such a 604 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: stupid question and it's like game playing, Like we're not 605 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: playing games right now, We're trying to save the democracy. 606 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: So like, if you are a journalist and I think 607 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: it was like you know, a pretty big outlet too 608 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: write that led within whether it was the Hell or 609 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: something like that, Yeah, you know, like you're literally just 610 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: being a troll and you want people to click this 611 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: and you want people to share that, and like, I 612 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: don't know. Then like that's if first of all, I 613 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: think we have to be a lot less giving. We 614 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: have to say, these are how people are acting. Let's 615 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: take them at their work, right, So if the media 616 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: is ridiculous, we have to take them at their word 617 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: and say, all right, well you want to be trolls, 618 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: So then we aren't gonna you know, afford you this 619 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: sort of level of grace and um, you know, this 620 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 1: very deferential way we've been treat the media for so long, 621 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: so I think it's you know, frustrating to see absolutely, 622 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: But I do think another issue. I'm watching this Pennsylvania race, right, 623 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: this Pennsylvanias Albania Senate race, and I think, you know, 624 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: in a different world, and I don't want to, you know, 625 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: like get into the policy specifics necessarily, but just like 626 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: bocusing on the architects and personalities that we're seeing, Like 627 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: to me, Malcolm Kenyata would be a superstar in the 628 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: Republican Party, like somebody with that ability and talent, Like 629 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: they've got Madison Cawthorne over there that they're celebrating, Like 630 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: this guy is like five hundred times better, smarter, like 631 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: legit And why why isn't that somebody that like we 632 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: can coalesce around it. And I think it's because people 633 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: are so afraid to take a chance, to take a risk. 634 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: But it's actually not a risk because we've seen I think, 635 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: how you know, the same old, same old has gone 636 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: and it hasn't gone well, and it hasn't excited next generation. Now, 637 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: I do think young people, um, we're very vocal online 638 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: but haven't necessarily shown up at the polls in the 639 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: way that we should be to be demanding that credibility, 640 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: and I think we'll do that level. You know, it's 641 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: our future to inherit, and you know, decisions should be 642 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: made very much with us in mind, and we should 643 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: be showing up to make those decisions. So I do 644 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: think that's a little bit of an issue for us. 645 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: But I absolutely agree with you. I think that, you know, 646 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: the way that Republicans focus on rising stars is not 647 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: happening for us. And I think also part of it 648 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: is because Republicans fall in line really quickly, so your 649 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: rising stars are really willing to say whatever and do whatever. 650 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: And so to the extent, that's the issue. Like I'm 651 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: proud that Democrats aren't going to, you know, like just 652 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: foot flop and say whatever Kevin McCarthy tells them do 653 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 1: or whoever is you know, in charge and in control 654 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: and apologize for this or not. But I do think 655 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: that is one dynamic at play, yeah, Because I mean, 656 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: when I look at the defensiveness within our own party 657 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: with regard to the squad right, you would think that 658 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: you would lift up these firebrands, these young people of color, 659 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: and say like this is our future, and you would 660 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: make them stars, right, instead we we we they shake 661 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: their finger at them. Instead, they tell them that, oh, 662 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: you're the reason why we lose on legislation, and I'm like, no, 663 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: that would be Joe Manchin and Kirsten Cinema's job as 664 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: to why we don't have things that pass. It is 665 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: not these young bright stars that you're actually afraid of. 666 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: But you see the right embracing the Lauren Boberts, the 667 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: Cawthorns and MG and and Marge and like even like 668 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: even for us. And I don't know, do you watch 669 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: Rupau's Drag Race. I don't, but I watched the clips, 670 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: But go ahead, Okay, it's okay, I will still tell 671 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: you might feel like I'll still tell my story, but 672 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: I think it's such a good analogy. Which is so 673 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: if you remember our crazy primary we had like twenty 674 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: plus people running, yes, brutpause drag Race, they managed to 675 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: run this reality show where even the biggest losers, the 676 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: person gets off season season one, you know, episode one 677 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: is made a star. Like they talk about that person, 678 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: they bring them out. They everybody knows that person's name, 679 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, And so why can't we do the same 680 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: thing with the twenty candidates running for president. You know 681 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: it should be you know, a win for everybody and 682 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: part of a conversation where like Democrats are loving this 683 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: from this person and this person had a great Bible 684 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: moment and we celebrate that, and you know, this is 685 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: the person that ultimately won the nomination. But this is 686 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: our team, this is our party, and everybody wins. And 687 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: I think that's really the model that we have to 688 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: shift to. And it happens to sync with what's happening 689 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: in the world right now, which is that reality teaming model. 690 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: And if drag Race can do it, I think the 691 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: Democratic Party can do it. Um. So that's I love it. Kivan. 692 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: You must come back to willke f. This has been 693 00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: so fun and like, honestly, I think that people like 694 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: yourself are absolutely the present and the future of the party. 695 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: And I just I need for there to be more right, 696 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: Like I need more more people, more energy, Like I 697 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: want to see my TikTok and my Twitter feeds filled 698 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: with people with passion and who are thoughtful about what 699 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: is going on. Because I'm actually as the same thing 700 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: that you just said about RuPaul's drag race and the Democrats. 701 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: I think about people on television and I'm like, where 702 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: are the next stars? Like we're still bringing out James Carville. 703 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: It was also it's it's it's ridiculous. But thank you 704 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: so much for making time you so much. Would love 705 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: to come back and I'll follow you on TikTok in 706 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: the meantime. Appreciate you. That is it for me today. 707 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: Friends at wok f as always power to the people 708 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay 709 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:02,439 Speaker 1: woke as fuck.