1 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Although I'm welcome to savor protection of I heart radio 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: and stuff media. I'm Annies and I'm Lauren vogel Baum. 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: And today we're talking about bay leaves. Yep, yep, we are. Yes. 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: It became of interest to me recently when I realized 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: I had three different packages of them in my fridge 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: in different areas. Okay, I don't even know if they're 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: supposed to be refrigerated. I'm not sure where they're in there. Uh, 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: they when sealed in the freezer, they will last longer 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: like fresh or dried dried okay, I mean in the fridge, 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: like it can't hurt. Okay. I was intrigued by the 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: whole thing, And the more I get to thinking about, 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: the more intrigued I was. Because here's this kind of 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: leaf thing that we put in our food. You don't eat. Yeah, 14 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: you're supposed to take it out before you eat the 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: food that's in, right, which I usually don't do. But 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm also aware that there's a leaf to be a boy. Sure, 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: sure you're not unsuspecting, right exactly? Um. And when I 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: was little, one of my favorite things to eat with spaghetti, 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: which to this day, as I mentioned on the show, 20 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: is one of my weirdest food things. I eat the 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: noodles and saw separate. But um. I also like to 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: help my mom make it. And I had a whole 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: song spaghetti is ready when it six in the wall, 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: la My favorite part of it was the time to 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: mix all the ingredients is together. After you like brown 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: the onions and the garlic and the meat, and you 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: add in all the like stuff all stuff. Yeah, and 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: I felt like I was making a potion. And the 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: weirdest and coolest part of the potion was the bailey, 30 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: which I added at the end, just a whole leaf. Yeah, 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: you're just like, whoop in there? Uh yeah. I did 32 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: it with much flourished, like I was expecting it to go. Yeah, 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: And I felt like I was in Snap's potions class, 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: but with a much better teacher. And you can fight 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: me over that if you want. Then it's a terrible teacher, right, 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: thank you. He makes fun of her bonds tea, Thank you, Lauren. 37 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: And it's upsetting most people don't agree with me on 38 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: this point. Oh man, I'm very happy I can we 39 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: we could have. We're like losing listeners. I feel them, 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: I feel them going away, but like we could have 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: if this were a podcast about Harry Potter, we wouldn't 42 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: have to have an entire conversation about how Snape is 43 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: not meant to be a nice character. Right, Oh gosh, 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: I would be there for it. I mean, wouldn't be 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: like just because Alan Rickman is sexy. I'm not going 46 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: to argue with that part. Yeah, sure, great boys, interesting 47 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: character anyway, Okay before we make everyone furious, um, yeah, 48 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: and then yeah, remember him to take it out at 49 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: the end, this leaf. Um, I just hadn't. There's nothing 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: like that, so it felt very potion e to me 51 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: when I was a kid. Nothing else like that that 52 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: I had encountered. Sure, right, because usually when you add 53 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: stuff to a food you eat, you eat it exactly. Yeah, 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: And it doesn't. It's just stays that hard texture. Yeah. Yeah, 55 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: Going off of that kind of Apparently, several decades back, 56 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 1: a wife made some spaghetti sauce forgot to take out 57 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: the Bai leaf. Her husband choked on it. Wife calls 58 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: nimal one husband survives. Eventually they get divorced, probably unrelated. 59 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: Uh And okay, I'm wondering if this is apocryphal or not, 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: because I found a note that said that they were 61 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: living in the time in a town called Laurel, Maryland, 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's a large coincidence for a person 63 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: ship choking on a bay leaf for reasons that we're 64 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: going to go into in just a second. If if 65 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: it is a coincidence, great job, universe. If if it's 66 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: if it's not an it's apocryphal, then that's a pretty 67 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: funny note to add to a story like that. So 68 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: good job either way. Yes, good job all around. But 69 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: I suppose this brings us to our question bay leaves. 70 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: What are they? Well? Bay leaves can refer to the 71 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: eaves of a number of species within the Laurel family. 72 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, But most often what we're talking 73 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: about in Europe and the America's um are the leaves 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: of a flowering evergreen, small tree, large shrub um kind 75 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: of thing, botanical name Laurus nobilis um. They can actually 76 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: grow like sixty ft tall it's eighteen meters or so, 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: but are kept under eight feet in gardens about two 78 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: and a half meters anyway. They do grow flowers and berries, 79 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: but more to our purposes, they have leaves that are 80 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: these thick and leathery pointed ovals at this dark glossy 81 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: green about a two to four inches long and maybe 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: an inch wide. That's about five times by about two 83 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: and a half centimeters. And these leaves are harvested for 84 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: use as an herb because they contain just a whole 85 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: bunch of compounds that have flavors. Savor lavors, yes, about 86 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: fifty um you know, give or take depending on your 87 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: species at hand. Um, all kinds of stuff. Yeah, like 88 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: floral type compounds. Uh, things that seem fruity to humans, 89 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: like sweet apples or olive oil, bright citrus, cooling menthal 90 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: medic snall herbs, hetty woods, and spicy cloves or cinnamon 91 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: or pepper. Bay is a classic ingredient in perfumes and 92 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: other cosmetics, particularly masculine sense like bay rum. Oh sure, 93 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: I always think masculine when wow, masculine. I don't know, 94 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: they're they're kind of like like harsh rather than soft, 95 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: which I guess is like the dude lee category of sense. Anyway, 96 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: that's a separate podcast as well. Um. But yeah, when 97 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: bay leaves are fresh, um, the result of all of 98 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: these compounds together, um is a pretty assertive flavor that 99 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: can add this this really punchy like floral or bey spicy, 100 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: bitter sort of vibe to roasted dishes, soups, mayrionnades, curries 101 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: um sort of like a like a complex mint, ranging 102 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: into like cough drop territory. You don't want to add 103 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: like a lot, or if you do, you're going for 104 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 1: a particular thing, very particular. Yes. Um. When they're dried though, um, 105 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: the result is this mellower kind of like earthy spicy 106 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: flavor that can add some background up to both savory 107 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: and sweet dishes, think like stews and soups syrups for 108 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: for cocktails. It features in many recipes for stuff like 109 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: a gravy adobou osaka, and like sauces or braises for 110 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: roasted meats. Um and either way um. Bay leaves are 111 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: best in recipes that you cook sort of low and slow, 112 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: like a long long cooking times help transform those sharp 113 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: medicinal flavors into these softer herbal flavors, which are generally 114 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 1: what you're looking for unless you're drinking and tomorrow yes sure. 115 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: There are two primary varieties of things labeled bay leaves 116 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: that are marketed in the United States. Uh Turkish or 117 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: Mediterranean bay leaves, which are the aforementioned Laura's nobilis and 118 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: California bay leaves, which are yeah, different genus and species 119 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: entirely still within the family. Watch out for the difference, 120 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: but has the California type are much sharper tasting than 121 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: the Mediterranean type. Yeah, don't want to mix those up. 122 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, you you cook with them by either adding 123 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: well ground dried leaves to us stews or the like, 124 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: or by adding whole fresh or dried leaves to whatever 125 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: you're making. Um. The ground stuff is okay to eat, 126 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: but the whole leaves, yeah, need to be taken out 127 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: because we can't digest the fiber's tissue of bay leaves 128 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 1: and their their stembits are are pretty pointy. Um. So 129 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: it's a stick. Don't swallow sticks. Um, and if you 130 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: ate one hole, it could it could scratch up your 131 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: throat or intestines. Um. There are, despite the Internet talk 132 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: about all of this, like very very very few actual 133 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: recorded instances of this kind of thing happening. Um, but 134 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, just be careful you have a good time 135 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: with sticks. Yeah, they wouldn't need a cinnamon stick hole. Gosh, 136 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: don't do that, No, don't do that. Um. But yeah, Um, 137 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: one of the things that I was reading mentioned that 138 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: bay trees are considered deer resistant because that sharp flavor 139 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: and those sharp corners give pause to even giant heck 140 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: and herbivores um. Like, yeah, it's it's one of those things, 141 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: Like Okay, these flavor compounds and that toughness evolved as 142 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: a way to keep bay trees thriving um and sometimes 143 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: arid climates a UM and and B to keep them 144 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: free from pests. But as with so many things, humans 145 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: decided that we like that noise uh, and that we're 146 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: we're willing to face the danger of a whole leaf 147 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: slipping by and choking us. I gotta live on the edge. 148 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: We're pretty metal, It's true. Lauras nobilis most likely originated 149 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: from the Celtic word for green lore and the Latin 150 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: word for noble nobiles. I've read that the laura's part 151 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: might also be from a from a common pre Indo 152 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: European route that gave us the Greek word daphne. Like 153 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: it seems like there has been some letter D to 154 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: letter L dialect or other shenanigans that have gone on 155 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: at some point in history. I tried to track down 156 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: more specific information about this, but this is apparently something 157 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: the Grammarians have opinions about. Um so, yeah, but but 158 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: like you can you can see it in other word 159 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: pairs like I'm odor an olfactory right or um or 160 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: in Ulysses and Odysseus. Interesting. Yeah so ho etymology, unsure status, 161 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: unsure mysteries, histories, yes, yeah, but this brings us to 162 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: a non mystery, the nutrition whole. No, this was a 163 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: mystery too, okay, um so okay, Like like macro nutrition wise, 164 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: you're not eating enough Bai leaf or an actual bai leaf, 165 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: so you're not really getting any calories from it, probably 166 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: like maybe a tiny bit of some kind of sugar. Uh, 167 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: maybe some oils of some sort. But yeah, pretty nutritionally 168 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: void macro wise, but micro wise, there is a lot 169 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: of myth and research out there. Um Bay leaves and 170 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: their extracts are used and have been used for everything 171 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: from easing gas to aiding digestion and inducing sleepiness when 172 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: taken internally, to alleviating dan driff and boils and joint 173 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: and muscle pain when applied externally, and are being investigated 174 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: for things like preventing cancer and bacterial infections and treating 175 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: and preventing type two diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. Of these though, 176 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: um like okay like. Preliminary research has indicated that taking 177 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: tablets of ground bay leaf can decrease some symptoms that 178 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: are known risk factors for diabetes and for cardiovascular disease. Um, 179 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: but human bodies are complicated. More research is needed. Oh. Also, 180 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: just enough research has been done to show that large 181 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: doses of bay leaves can make other drugs like narcotics 182 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: or sedatives act all wonky. Huh, So consult a doctor 183 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: if you're curious about using bay leaf or anything else, 184 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: uh in a medicinal dose. Again, just eating one in 185 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: your pasta is not going to You're gonna be fine. No, no, 186 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: No danger of drug interactions, right yeah, danger of potential 187 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: cut on cheek maybe possibly, but yeah yeah um oh 188 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: and yeah, don't bother burning bay leaves unless you really 189 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: like the smell. There's no particular evidence that burning bay 190 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: leaves has any particular effect on the human body. Are 191 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: that inhaling burning bay leaves? Right? Not just the physical act? 192 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: I mean it might make you feel a little better. Show. Yeah, 193 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: burning stuff is fun. It can be. Don't take my 194 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: advice on anything, model yep uh And yeah, yeah, to 195 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: keep your baby leaves uh fresh air keeping in the 196 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: freezer sealed bag. M. I don't know about the fridge. Yeah, 197 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: I don't even know where I got that idea. I 198 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: don't think my mom did that. To investigate. Yeah, you're 199 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: on You're on your own, doing my own thing. Yeah, 200 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure why something. It must say something about 201 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: my personality. There must have been a reason in there somewhere, 202 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: especially bags and different areas. It sounds like she Shenanigans 203 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: have drunk handy to be honest. But I'll think about 204 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: that later. But what about some numbers? Some numbers, Okay, 205 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: world trade of dried bay leaves is somewhere around two 206 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: thousand tons, and Turkey makes up about two thirds of that. 207 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: Western Europe imports the most, at an estimated eight hundred tons. 208 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: McCormick and co. The Spice Company, a lot of US 209 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: are probably familiar with list Bay laurel leaves as one 210 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: of their top twenty five products, and to this day 211 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: they continue to research. Huh yeah, okay, yes, mostly like 212 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: recipe research still. Um and yeah, you can use it 213 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: in all kinds of things. Um, sauces soups, does mayonnaise 214 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: mashed potatoes, syrups for cocktails, infusion and chocolate pudding, or 215 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: warm milk to be used in things like creme brulet um. 216 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: A place in Baltimore called Woodbury Kitchen makes a seasonal 217 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: ice cream with bay leaf. Varieties of bay leaves are 218 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: pretty popular in Italian, French, Indian and Greek cuisines. I 219 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: use them, oh yeah, when I make Chipotle's coffeecat cilanchio 220 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: lime rice. And apparently some folks find that leaf in 221 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: their Chipotle rice that they get from the actual restaurant. Um, 222 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: and they think some random leaf from outside ended up 223 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: in there. So they're like, how did a tree get 224 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: into here? Yeah? What is groot doing in your kitchen? Instagram? Instagram? Yeah, 225 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: and they like tweet it Chipotle and s and b 226 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: all that's actually an ingredious supposed to be and they're 227 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: sorry it ended up in your eyes. It's gonna be 228 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: okay um. And also apparently liquorice packages in Italy and 229 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: Turkey include laurel leaves, and at one time in Scandinavia 230 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: a majority of laurel leaves used in households ended up 231 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: being recycled for liquorice packaging. Huh. I would love to 232 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: know more about that. Listeners have ye sight yeah strange okay, sure, 233 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And and Laurel leaves being one of the 234 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: pseudonyms or yeah, you know what I mean, other names 235 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: very much confusedly for a good portion of the early 236 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: part of this research. Wait a minute, is this the 237 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: same thing? It is the same thing? Yes, yes, And 238 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: speaking of we had we have a lot of history 239 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: around that. We do. Gosh, it's great, But first we've 240 00:14:50,200 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: got a quick break forward from our sponsor and we're back. 241 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsors, Yank. And the history for this one 242 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: is a bit sparse and a little confusing because a 243 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: lot of things have gone by the name bai leaves 244 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: or Laurel throughout time. But here's what we know, or 245 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: what we think we know, or what historians think they know. 246 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: That I am trusting that they know Bailey was most 247 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: likely originated and what is now Turkey. Traders from that 248 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: region introduced bai leaves to the Mediterranean, and from there 249 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: it's spread to regions with similar climates. Now, I couldn't 250 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: find any historical reason for somebody being like this leaf, 251 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: that's us put it in something. But we're very creative, 252 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: innovative bunch we are. Yeah, it smells good. It smells good, 253 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: maybe it'll taste good. Let's try it. Yeah. The word 254 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: in Greek for the tree itself, the laurel tree, was 255 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Daphne or Daphne. Going back to what you were talking about, 256 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: potentially etymology, world wise stuff. Yeah. According to Greek mythology, 257 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: Daphne was a nymph who was attempting to evade the 258 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: attention of the god of the sun and poets and writers, 259 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: Apollo um. In some versions of the story, he had 260 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: been struck with one of Cupid's arrows, and Gaya stepped in. 261 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: Are possibly her father, Daphne's father, the river god stepped 262 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: in and turned Daphne into a laurel tree. Uh yeah, yeah, 263 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: suitor evaded your your tree? Now, Okay, why did they 264 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: turn Apolo into a tree? Just got son? All right? Uh? 265 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: In response, Apollo decreed that the tree was sacred, and 266 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: he began wearing a laurel wreath and said, although you 267 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: cannot be my wife, you shall at least be my tree. 268 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: I shall always wear you on my hair, on my quiver. 269 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: Oh laurel, all right, that sounds this, this is all creepy, 270 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: so so like she didn't actually evade him at all, 271 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: but she has to like hang out like her leaves 272 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: have to hang out on his head all the time. 273 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: And again she just gets to be a tree. I mean, 274 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I might like being a tree, get 275 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: to be warm, sun photosynthesizing might feel great. It's true, 276 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: You're right, I just feel like I like moving places 277 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: you do. I'm a I'm a mover and a shaker. Yes. 278 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: Because of this story, baileaves were used in ceremonies by 279 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: Greek priestesses in Delphi. Oracles might have chewed the leaves 280 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: or inhaled the smoke of burning bay leaves. A bay 281 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: leaf under the pillow was thought to grant prophetic dreams. 282 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: Some historians, um think that we may be misinterpreting historical 283 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: text around all of that, though yes, um, it was 284 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: also of course thought to be an aphrodisiac a so 285 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: let us one. Yeah, the only thing we've ever stumbled upon. Yeah, 286 00:17:55,119 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: aphrodisiacs twenty billion, which actually I'm because I'm such a nerd. 287 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: I read a book this weekend on the history of jokes, 288 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: and um, they brought up the lettuce thing, and yes, 289 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: and apparently during a certain period in time, lettuce chokes around. 290 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: How they weren't they were going to slow you down 291 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: like a whole thing. Yes, And I was like, that's great, 292 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: my two worlds coming together, jokes and hot food history. 293 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: That's amazing. It was um. The association of Bailey's with 294 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: honor meant that Bailey's were highly regarded. Victorious Greek and 295 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: Roman athletes and soldiers were sometimes crowned with a wreath 296 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: of sweet bay leaves. A laurel wreath indicated military rank, 297 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: and this is where we get terms like baccalaureot meaning 298 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: laurel berries and laureate bay Laurel rees were given to 299 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: successful poets at ancient Greeks Pythian Games, held in Apaula's honor. 300 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: Poet laureate Yes, and Greek students were expected to be 301 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: too debtic added to their studies to marry. Bachelor's also 302 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: from the same roots as baccalaureate. So cool. Also sayings 303 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: like resting on one's laurels. Sure yeah yeah. Also my 304 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: name there you go, laurel laurels. Oh no, the laurel 305 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: yawnie thing came rushing back to my brain. I have 306 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: no idea. What you're talking about is that that thing 307 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: where some people it was a clip of sound and 308 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: some people heard Laurel and some people heard Yawnie. Oh right, 309 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: I heard Laurel. I never listened to it. You shouldn't. 310 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: It could be some kind of weird ring thing. You 311 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: never know. Okay, done seven years from now, I'll regret 312 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: having listen to it. Some believe that Bailey is protected 313 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: from witchcraft, and the Caesar's thought it prevented conspiracies and accidents. 314 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that worked out that well for lots 315 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: of them, but doesn't seem to have. I could be wrong, 316 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: abe it worked out for some of them. Maybe there 317 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: was competing Okay, like it. Yeah. The ancient Greeks believe 318 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: that Baileys cast out spirits, and somebody even put a 319 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: leaf in their mouth in the morning to cast any 320 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: bad spirits out. By some accounts, these beliefs attached to 321 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: bay leaves lasted in England until the sixteenth or seventeenth centuries, 322 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: particularly the anti which anti deevil aspect of them. Um. 323 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: Some Europeans believed that at decaying bay tree portended bad omens. Okay, sure, yes, 324 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: Emperor Tiberius who was terrified of lightning and thunder, wore 325 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: Laurel wreaths for protection during storms. When I read that, 326 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: I thought, certainly not. But there is a lot of 327 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: a lot of evidence for it. A lot of writing 328 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: at the time suggested that was true. Laurel was believed 329 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: to ward off any potential harm from lightning and thunder, 330 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: and the idea came from the widely held belief that 331 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: laurel trees were never struck by lightning because they were 332 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: inhabited by a fire demon and thus full of fire 333 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: and thus lightning. Oh, this was something our old pal 334 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: plenty abscribed to, and he warned against burning Laurel on 335 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: altars or in ceremonies quote for the ap propitiation of divinities. Huh, 336 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: don't do it. Don't do it, nah, or those other 337 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: people maybe did it. But that's true. You know, I 338 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: don't know solid I don't know solid scientific. Yeah. Shakespeare's 339 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: Richard the second mentioned bay trees to thought. The king 340 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: is dead, we will not stay. The bay trees in 341 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: our country are all withered and meteors fright, the fix 342 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: stars of heaven, the pale faced moon looks bloody on 343 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: the earth, and lean looked prophets whispered fearful change those 344 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: decaying bay trees. Yes, yeah, it's a reference to the 345 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: superstition that a laurel tree that, by custom Roman Emperor's 346 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: planted would start to wither right before their death. Oh right, 347 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 1: I know, Okay, how scary that would be if you 348 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: really believe that, and you're what went on the morning 349 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: won't get the madree. Meanwhile, it's just like an insect 350 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: or a fungus or something like that, or fate. It 351 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: could be any of that stuff both, it could be. 352 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: That's right. Throughout history, Yes, baileaves have been used medicinally 353 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: and as an insect repellent, everything from keeping moss out 354 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: of clothes like early moth falls and so away from 355 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: drains and insects out of flowers bai leaves and boiling water. 356 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: They were believed to serve as an antiseptic um. Some 357 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: even believed they induced abortions. From Nicholas Culpepper's seventeenth century 358 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: the complete herbal bai leaves were quote effectual against the 359 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: poisons of all venomous creatures and the sting of wasps 360 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: and bees. That's inaccurate. Some of those other things are 361 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: as solid possibly, but this one is not. This is 362 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: a solid nah. I mean it might. I don't know. 363 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: There's like some soothing stuff in there, like like mental 364 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: and eucalyptol and stuff like that, a little bit soothing, 365 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: but okay, I'll give it a solid possibly. I like 366 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: the begrudging manner in which you did it, okay. Culpepper 367 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: actually had a lot of interesting things to say about 368 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: the bay leaf quote that it is a tree of 369 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: the sun, and under the celestial sun, leo, and resisteth 370 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: witchcraft very potently, as also all the evils Old Saturn 371 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: can do to the body of man, and they are 372 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: not off you, for it is the speech of one 373 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: and I am mistaken. If it were not masoldous, that 374 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: neither witch nor devil, thunder noor lightning will hurt a 375 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: man in the place where a bay tree is well, dang, well, 376 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: dang exactly better plants and bay trees we should right 377 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: here in the studio. I was about to say, they're 378 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: pretty big, as you said, you can you can prune them, 379 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: you can keep them small. And we wouldn't tell anybody. 380 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: Somebody would just come in one day and we have 381 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: an intense grow light bay tree situations, and we have 382 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: police tape around it. Do not touch no other note. 383 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: I like it sounds that's our speed right there. Everyone 384 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: would know immediately, oh that was Dannie Lauren. There would 385 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: be like, Annie Lauren, how are you up to now? 386 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: A source from the eighteen hundreds described at the practice 387 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: in France Burgundy, in particular of using bay leaves at weddings. 388 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: Bay was decorated with ribbons, and then the best man, 389 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: with the help of six assistants, lifted it up to 390 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: the highest chimney of the newly wedded home. I couldn't 391 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: figure out if that was like a seven had to 392 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: be seven number or anything, but anyway, um, then they'd 393 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: take a bottle of brandy and break it over the 394 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: bay leaf. I'm assuming it was a wreath to protect 395 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: the house from lightning, so very early lightning rod and 396 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: they'd sing a song which I is in French, and 397 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to attempt so apologies to myself to everyone else, 398 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: but I think we can get through this. Yeah, no, 399 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: I have yes, totally, thank you do it yet? Plante 400 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: l Larier Le bon Vine novels, Madrier Manage too tros 401 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: toothros Tooth Trills, A tour bouvan chanton, iron lomovoi, cevoi, cervois, roget, grantie, 402 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: pun larier, rivati rosham lav lav lave. Yeah. Yeah, I 403 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: don't speak French at all, so that sounded just fine 404 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: to me. Basically, it's everything is good for drinking and singing. 405 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: Ya go live. Apparently, the belief that Bailey has provided 406 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: protection from lightning um was so strong that people would 407 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: walk around during thunderstorms with branches of their leaves over 408 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: their heads. This is one of my favorite facts, hopefully 409 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: facts that light That's great that you're just walking around like, 410 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: hope no lightning strikes me. Here's some branch. Here's my 411 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: anti lightning branch. And I like to imagine you don't 412 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: have an umbrella. Yeah, I see. I'm hoping contrariwise that 413 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: the branch was big enough and thick enough then an umbrella, UM, 414 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: that would be Yeah, that would be ideal. That would 415 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: be or like maybe you have an umbrella and it 416 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: hangs down from there. There's a lot of options are 417 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: around this time, there was a belief in England that 418 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: by placing five bay leaves on your pillow, the four 419 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: corners in the middle on Falentine's Day e, women could 420 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: get visions of their future husband's. In some versions, they 421 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: were supposed to put on an inside out clean The 422 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: women were an inside out clean night dress and recite 423 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: good to Valentine, be kind to me, and dreams let 424 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: me my true love. See. I guess it works as 425 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: good as anything. Sure I've said before. I used to 426 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: do the apple thing. You carve the all the skin 427 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: off the apple and then you let it sit outside 428 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: for a little bit. Whatever the letter, that's the name, 429 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: that what it's going to start with your future husband. Well, 430 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: very scientific, I'm sure. Bay was a part of some 431 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: funeral traditions in Western Europe and the U S as well, 432 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: either laid out across a coffin or sprinkled beforehand. The 433 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: laurel wreath featured heavily in the design of the Olympics 434 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: and Rio. And this brings us to some conspiracy. Conspiracy 435 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes, okay. In seen, Kelly Convoy posted 436 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: an article titled the Vast bay Leaf Conspiracy over at 437 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: the All, arguing that bay leaves don't do a damn thing. 438 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: Uh quote, maybe you've had this experience. You stow a 439 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: bay leaf into a broth and it doesn't do anything. 440 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: Then you throw the rest of the bay leaves you 441 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: brought into the off too, because you only bought them 442 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: for this item. And you'll be damned if you don't 443 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: taste a bay leaf and they don't do anything either. 444 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: What could be the cause of this? I'll tell you. 445 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: Bay leaves are bullet What does a baileif taste like nothing? 446 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: What does a bailey smell like nothing? What does a 447 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: baileyf look like a leaf? How does the bailey behave? 448 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: It behaves as a leaf wood? If you took a 449 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: leaf from the tree outside of your apartment building and 450 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: put it into your soup. She interviewed a bunch of chefs, 451 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: most of whom argued that baileaves were not in fact, 452 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: and some rebuttal pieces were published, as well as pieces 453 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: in support of her um. Anthony Bourdaine even got drawn in. 454 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: He said, count me in the yes team. I do 455 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: use baileys, and yes they are important, particularly for cream 456 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: sauces and poaching liquid court bouleon for fish. I can 457 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: understand how some would feel they get lost in more 458 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: forceful dishes like peefs do, but I think they add 459 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: something color me old cool. There's so many responses to it. Yeah. Yeah, 460 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of the first thing that pops up when 461 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: you start googling. Just yeah, bay whatever whatever. Yeah, it's 462 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: like auto fills conspiracy. It's I think it's very funny 463 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: and probably um an indication of the less than fresh 464 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: dried spices, because I mean, of course he has and 465 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: dried spices, not fresh. But but if they've been sitting 466 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: for a long time, yeah, and we're not perhaps packaged properly, 467 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: or if you know they've been sitting in your house 468 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: in an u previously opened container, they do degrade like 469 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: the flavors do dissipate over time because they're volatile chemicals 470 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: and that's what they do. Um. So I'm like, I'm like, 471 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: just get maybe should buy better Bay leaves. Yeah, And 472 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of confusion around. As you said earlier, 473 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: the California one is stronger and you can get that 474 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: one fresh, which a lot of people think means it 475 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: will be better, but actually it's quite different. You should 476 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: not substitute Turkish for a California vice versa. UM. In general, yes, 477 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: many many specific recipes will call for a specific like 478 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: geographical location type. Perhaps I think Indonesian is one, Indian 479 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: is another, UM. But yeah, yeah, all of these different ones. 480 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: And if you're don't, don't necessarily when in doubt go 481 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: with the Turkish or Mediterranean kind. Yeah. I think those 482 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: are the best substitute all around for stuff. But there 483 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: are distinctly different flavor compounds um that are going to 484 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: add different notes to all of these different things. So yeah, yeah, 485 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: And as part of all of this this conspiracy, there 486 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: were a lot of tests that were done by uh 487 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: everyone ranging from like Anthony Borden into home home cooks. 488 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: And the biggest thing they say is if you don't 489 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: believe bailiefs, do something. Put it in boiling water. One 490 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: in boiling water and the other not, and you'll taste 491 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: the flavor in the water that you boil with baileiaf 492 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: and some but he did a three part taste test 493 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: of old dried leaves, fresh dried leaves, UM, and like 494 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: fresh leaves, and she said that definitely the fresh dried 495 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: baileys were the best, and that it was she she 496 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: likened them to laundry sheets, whereas she couldn't, like you 497 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: can't necessarily pinpoint what they're adding, but they're adding something Yeah, 498 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: they're making couplex layers. They're not the star. They're there 499 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: to support. Yeah, well there you go. Yeah, I like 500 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: bai leaves. Oh I love a baileaf. I think you 501 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: smell great. They could have been lots of stuff. I 502 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: still do that posh ingredient thing. You shouldn't try it 503 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: anyone who hasn't done it. It's quite fun, I believe you, 504 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: the simple things sometimes. Yeah, it's so surprisingly fun research episode. Yeah, 505 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: I love this kind of stuff. Oh, it's so fun. 506 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, we've got this is This is about all 507 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: that we have to say about Bai Leaves. We do 508 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: have a little bit more for you, but first we've 509 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: got one more quick break for what from our sponsor, 510 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsoring, Yes, thank you, and 511 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: we're back with list sir, like a leaf down, I 512 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: love it, Aaron wrote, I had no idea this was 513 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: a more widespread thing until I listened to your cinnamon 514 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: rolls episode this morning. Growing up in Oklahoma in the seventies, 515 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: back when school lunches were cooked on site once a month, 516 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: our school lunch was something called bean chowder, and it 517 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: was always served with an amazing cinnamon roll. I hated 518 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: the bean chowder. I can't understand why anyone voluntarily ate it, 519 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: but I always had hot lunch that day just so 520 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: I could get cinnamon roll Looking back, I suppose bean 521 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: chowder could be considered a form of chili, but really 522 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: it's not being chowder. Gosh, I've never heard of that. 523 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: Something to google, okay. Teresa wrote, first of all, thank 524 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: you so much for making Savor Your fun banter and 525 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 1: food puns are a joy, and I was particularly delighted 526 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: that you did a podcast on cinnamon rolls. I lived 527 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: in Nebraska for a little while, and I can confirm 528 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: that cinnamon rolls and chili is certainly a thing there. 529 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: It's quite delicious, and I think it makes sense because 530 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: many people include cinnamon or chocolate as a secret ingredient 531 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: in chili. I've been on a quest over the past 532 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: five years to find the best cinnamon role in America. 533 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: I've tried cinnamon rolls in Nebraska, Missouri, Washington State, Oregon, California, 534 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: and Colorado. There's a place in Colorado Springs that has 535 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: cinnamon rolls twelve inches in diameter. Denver Biscuit Company also 536 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: has cinnamon rolls that are five inches tall and are 537 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: a favorite post run meal. But my favorite cinnamon role 538 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: is for sure found at Tartine, the famous San Francisco 539 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: Bay gree The texture is so incredibly flaky and beautiracious, 540 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: which means like butter and tender. I normally factor in 541 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: the quality of the frosting in my cinnamon role evaluation, 542 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: and this role does not have any frosting, but instead 543 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: an orange glaze, which adds the perfect note of bitterness 544 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: to contrast the sweetness. It is so good and I 545 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: make a point to get one every time I'm in 546 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: San Francisco. Finally, sorry so long. I have lots of 547 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings about cinnamon rolls. One of my favorite 548 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: things to do with cinnamon rolls is make cinnam moffles, 549 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: which is where I put the popcan of cinnamon rolls 550 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: in a waffle baker. The resulting cinnamon rolls are a 551 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: mixture of crunchy and soft and are wonderfully easy. Oh 552 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: my heck, that sounds so good, really really really Oh no, 553 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: oh geez okay, all right, Well, the next time I 554 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: encounter a waffle maker, I have one. Oh no, okay, 555 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: I can make this happen. Geez al right, Well, I 556 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: guess if we have to Heck, I've never actually been 557 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: to Tartine, but I've been meaning to go. I haven't 558 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: been in San Francisco in a long time. I went 559 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: to Tartine last time I was there, but I foolishly 560 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 1: did not get the cinnamon roll, and usually there's quite 561 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: a wait to get into Tartine. Sure, yeah, so I 562 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: put in my time, I didn't even get this. Well, 563 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,919 Speaker 1: whatever I had that was delicious, I believe you. Yeah, 564 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: that was. I was a very That trip was very 565 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: planned out, so a lot of it's blur, a very delicious, delicious, 566 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: fun blur. But you you are a human who can 567 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: squeeze a lot of things in. Yeah. Yeah, it's one 568 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: of those times where I think my travel companions might 569 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: have murdered me at one. Oh you seem like you're 570 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: still fine in here. Yeah. I doubt they would ever 571 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: go to San Francisco with me again. But that's it. 572 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: That's fine. Some people can't handle your tenacity. Yeah, thank 573 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: you will say that. That's what it is. Thanks to 574 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: both of those listeners for writing in. 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