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Speaker 3: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry O'Shea. I was a
Speaker 3: CIA officer stationed around the world in high threat posts
Speaker 3: in Europe, Russia, and in Asia.
Speaker 2: And I served in Africa, Asia, Europe, the Middle East
Speaker 2: and in war zones. We sometimes created conspiracies to deceive
Speaker 2: our adversaries.
Speaker 3: Now we're going to use our expertise to deconstruct conspiracy
Speaker 3: theories large and small.
Speaker 2: Could they be true? Or are we being manipulated?
Speaker 3: This is Mission Implausible. Today's guest is Trey Crowder. He's
Speaker 3: the liberal redneck. He's a comedian with a big following
Speaker 3: on YouTube and social media and the author of several books.
Speaker 3: He's from rural Tennessee and you can see the dates
Speaker 3: through his nationwide comedy tour on his website. So welcome
Speaker 3: to Hey.
Speaker 4: The website and question is trade Crowder dot com. By
Speaker 4: the way, thanks for the intro and thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: The first question I've met for you is can you
Speaker 3: explain gd bance?
Speaker 4: No, not really only a show. I have a weird
Speaker 4: miniature history with j D actually because his I first
Speaker 4: went viral and started gaining my online following that you
Speaker 4: mentioned in the spring of twenty sixteen. I had been
Speaker 4: doing stand up in anonymity for like six years already
Speaker 4: at that point, but then I made these videos and
Speaker 4: they one of them took off really big, and then
Speaker 4: I could just snowball from there, which is great. But
Speaker 4: it started in twenty sixteen and I started going all
Speaker 4: these meetings, Hollywood meetings and stuff like this, and people
Speaker 4: started asking me, oh, you must love Have you read
Speaker 4: that new book? Have you read He'll Billy Eligi? If
Speaker 4: you read that, you know about that. And that's how
Speaker 4: I found out about it. And I looked it up
Speaker 4: and they were all any type of remotely fancy person
Speaker 4: intelligentsia or any type of artist to have whether they
Speaker 4: were like salivating over this book, right, they loved it.
Speaker 4: So I found out about that way. And then I
Speaker 4: was like going on TV at the time, like CNN
Speaker 4: and MSNBC and Bill marsh Show and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: and usually I was being brought on there relevant to
Speaker 4: the first question you asked to like explain Hillbillies to people,
Speaker 4: because there was a big narrative them about them and Trump.
Speaker 4: Then that's what happened with Trump is he reached these
Speaker 4: specific people. It's like, you're one of these people, what's
Speaker 4: up with that? Explain to us what that's all about.
Speaker 4: And Jad was doing the same thing at the same time,
Speaker 4: and we like met and started talking and stuff. He
Speaker 4: brought his wife, who was pregnant at the time, to
Speaker 4: my comedy show that I did in Columbus. We hung
Speaker 4: out afterwards, went to a bar, hung out for a
Speaker 4: few hours, talking about stuff. Now at that time, and
Speaker 4: he was still calling Trump Hitler and everything. So I
Speaker 4: was like, this guy's all right. Stayed in touch sort
Speaker 4: of over the years, a little bit, texting here and there,
Speaker 4: and then as his rise became more evident and took
Speaker 4: the trajectory it did. You know, I haven't talked to
Speaker 4: him forever at this point. But like I even when
Speaker 4: I read the book, though, there were parts in it
Speaker 4: where because we had we do have, if everything in
Speaker 4: the book is to be believed, we have a very
Speaker 4: similar upbringing and background in a lot of ways. My
Speaker 4: mom was also a drug addict. I'm from very very rural, uh,
Speaker 4: poverty stricken Tennessee. Now he would like go there. He
Speaker 4: like grew up in Ohio, really, but he would go
Speaker 4: there in the summers and be immersed in He'll billy
Speaker 4: shit for a while. I was in it all the time,
Speaker 4: not bragging, but uh and so I definitely related to
Speaker 4: a lot of it. But there were a lot of
Speaker 4: angles he took in that book and things that he
Speaker 4: said that even at the very beginning of even knowing
Speaker 4: who he was, I was like, it just struck me
Speaker 4: odd or weird. I was like, that's I don't I'm
Speaker 4: not down with that. Like one of the big ones
Speaker 4: I remember, is he he He makes this whole case
Speaker 4: in the book for payday loan places, right about how
Speaker 4: people like demonize those as being predatory, but what they
Speaker 4: don't understand is those places really are lifelines to poor
Speaker 4: rural people and all this stuff. Okay, Because I got
Speaker 4: to that part and I was like, what fuck those
Speaker 4: place says, what are you serious?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: And then I hear later after the fact that I
Speaker 4: purportedly he had whatever investment stakes or something like that,
Speaker 4: and some company that had some paty loan places or
Speaker 4: that type of thing, and I was like, well, that's
Speaker 4: pretty greasy. And then his whole central thesis the way
Speaker 4: I read it in that book, which was basically just like, yeah, listen,
Speaker 4: you know, uh, these poor white people, they're just like
Speaker 4: they're just fundamentally lazy. There's something broken in them, like culturally,
Speaker 4: like they it's their own. They could blame everybody else
Speaker 4: all they want, but it's it's their own fault at
Speaker 4: the end of the day. But I just never looked
Speaker 4: at like that because I've seen too many people very
Speaker 4: close to me that I feel like there are no
Speaker 4: fault of their own been you know, turned to shit
Speaker 4: by completely external factors. Ironically, to a lot of those
Speaker 4: people love JD's boss, Donald Trump and that type of thing,
Speaker 4: you know, because of all that that happened. But I
Speaker 4: don't know how he you know, how we had basically
Speaker 4: the same experiences and landed on such different outcomes the
Speaker 4: way that we did. But I think that, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, I'm a conspiratorial it is,
Speaker 4: but I think that he's I very much believe that
Speaker 4: he's been that he's backed by Peter Thiel and has
Speaker 4: been shepherded into this position that he's in now for
Speaker 4: a very strategic reason on their part. He was identified
Speaker 4: early on by them, I think, as someone who's like
Speaker 4: to be used for this purpose and has been more
Speaker 4: than happy to allow that to happen. That's what I
Speaker 4: think has happened with j D.
Speaker 2: I think in two or three different times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know, he's definitely weird and all everything
Speaker 4: that's going on there, and then he still like sucks
Speaker 4: up to people, the types of people who will be
Speaker 4: openly racist towards some other his children to his face
Speaker 4: or to his digital face on Twitter anyway, and that
Speaker 4: type of thing, which I also just find very wild.
Speaker 4: The whole thing is wild. But you know, I mean
Speaker 4: it's worked very well for him. He's the freaking vice president.
Speaker 4: He's in the White House right now, Like he can
Speaker 4: argue with the results. If that's you know, those are
Speaker 4: the things you value, money and power and all that.
Speaker 4: It's he's definitely getting what he wanted out of it
Speaker 4: so far, and it could only just be beginning, so
Speaker 4: we'll see.
Speaker 2: I'm not a hillbilly here my accent, but I did
Speaker 2: grow up in a small town, one of ten kids,
Speaker 2: everybody's working for Kodak up in that area, and then
Speaker 2: Kodak went bust, everybody lost their jobs, and right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get that kind of thing. That was like taking
Speaker 2: your date to the town up to watch the Bears shooting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'll tell you where I come from too. Trump
Speaker 2: is killer with a lot of my family and a
Speaker 2: lot of former friends from high school and everything like that,
Speaker 2: and I have not had really the chance to sit
Speaker 2: down and talk with them about what's in their best interest.
Speaker 2: And not that you represent all Hillbillies everywhere, but one
Speaker 2: thing I've struggled with is sort of this cult like
Speaker 2: adherence to something that maybe appeals to their pride but
Speaker 2: isn't always in their best.
Speaker 4: Interest early on from the beginning. And that's alluded to
Speaker 4: this little bit And so did you so like my hometown? Also,
Speaker 4: So my hometown, I think is an interesting case study.
Speaker 4: It was called Salina, Tennessee. It's in Clay County. It's
Speaker 4: very rural. We don't have any traffic lights or McDonald's
Speaker 4: or anything there. So yeah, stop bragging. That's enough, I
Speaker 4: get it. You fancy, but uh, in every general election
Speaker 4: up to like two thousand and four, Clay County was
Speaker 4: a Democratic county and was blue like win for al
Speaker 4: Gore in two thousand and then Clinton before that, and
Speaker 4: had been Democrat previously and then now it's like one
Speaker 4: of the strongest for Trump counties in Tennessee, like by
Speaker 4: percentage again it's very small, but percentage wise, and in
Speaker 4: the nineties, for years and years, the whole, the beating
Speaker 4: heart of the town's economy was a fact of textile
Speaker 4: factory from your way Midwive because I assume they're from
Speaker 4: actual oshkosh Oshkosh Bagosh, that's what they're called, you know,
Speaker 4: the most whimsically named company to ever destroy an entire community.
Speaker 4: But they they made and make a little cute little
Speaker 4: baby overalls and stuff. And that was like there was
Speaker 4: a big factory in Solina for years and years in
Speaker 4: the nineties that left it went to Mexico. Nothing ever
Speaker 4: replaced it. My family and a bunch of other people.
Speaker 4: You either worked at the factory or you did something
Speaker 4: that kind of serviced people that worked at the factory.
Speaker 4: That my dad ran the only video store in town,
Speaker 4: Like he had a converted single white trailer called Crowder's Video,
Speaker 4: and my grandpa had a car lot. My other grandma
Speaker 4: had a country cafe like a diner, and then my
Speaker 4: openly gay uncle and his partner had a deli on
Speaker 4: the town square, and all of which were doing great.
Speaker 4: And then that factory left and within ten years all
Speaker 4: of those businesses were closed. Half those people were dead.
Speaker 4: My mom was hooked on pills, and that was the norm.
Speaker 4: That happened to everybody there pretty much, or almost everybody,
Speaker 4: or at least that were adjacent to It just devastated
Speaker 4: the town and they've never to this day recovered. And
Speaker 4: I felt like at twenty sixteen, like Trump showed up
Speaker 4: and like was the first person to even really pretend
Speaker 4: to give a shit about them or any of that.
Speaker 4: He had been famous for years before that as a
Speaker 4: rich douchebag that I never liked him. For the record,
Speaker 4: I didn't know any redneck, especially red neck dude who
Speaker 4: liked him. You know. He was like a you know,
Speaker 4: a blue blood Yankee son of a bitch who thinks
Speaker 4: he's better than everybody else, you know, and needs his
Speaker 4: ass whipped type of thing. Is how nobody liked him,
Speaker 4: and I did either. So when he showed up and
Speaker 4: he was doing that, I was like okay, but he's
Speaker 4: full of shit. That he's clearly full of shit. Shouldn't
Speaker 4: that part matter? But I just think they were just
Speaker 4: so desperate for anyone to care that they latched onto it.
Speaker 4: And he blamed a lot of the same people, like
Speaker 4: the swamp and that sort of thing, and then yes,
Speaker 4: the racist aspect of it too that he fed into.
Speaker 4: But I always used to tell people, I just thought
Speaker 4: the racism part was just the icing on the fuck
Speaker 4: you cake that he baked for them, for the establishment
Speaker 4: that they had seen as having ruined their lives and
Speaker 4: left them behind. So I was sympathetic to it the
Speaker 4: first time around. Again, I felt like I saw through
Speaker 4: it and I was like, you guys are getting sold
Speaker 4: bad bill of goods here. This is bullshit. But I
Speaker 4: did get where they were coming from or why they
Speaker 4: felt that way. All these years later, after everything that
Speaker 4: has happened, all the stuff that he's done, and how
Speaker 4: nothing has really changed in my hometown for the better,
Speaker 4: for sure, and they're even more die hard now than ever,
Speaker 4: it's harder for me to try to reconcile with that.
Speaker 4: But I guess it's a you know, I mean, you
Speaker 4: called it a cult. I think you know, it's some
Speaker 4: kind of you get dug in and it becomes part
Speaker 4: of your identity, your personality, whatever, and then you just
Speaker 4: like it's hard to break people out of that. And
Speaker 4: then now lately, all the stuff that's happening lately in
Speaker 4: this country like scaring me. But if your hardcore maga
Speaker 4: or whatever, I mean, they've got to be loving all
Speaker 4: this shit, I imagine, like so far because there's no been
Speaker 4: there's no long term effects of any of it. Yet,
Speaker 4: it's just all they see is Trump just doing all
Speaker 4: the things he told them he would do, because that's why,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what he's doing. Like in a way,
Speaker 4: I'm like morbidly impressed by it because I've never seen
Speaker 4: an American politician do that. Almost all the time, they
Speaker 4: just say a bunch of shit and don't do much
Speaker 4: of nothing on both sides for most of my life.
Speaker 4: But he's doing stuff, and it's stuff that I really
Speaker 4: am not in favor of. But they love it and
Speaker 4: think it's a great idea, And so you know, they're
Speaker 4: not jumping off the Trump train anytime soon, I don't think.
Speaker 4: And the real question to me is when the receipts
Speaker 4: come in for a lot of these things that I
Speaker 4: think are going to have disastrous long terms, you know,
Speaker 4: sex when that when those consequences arrived, what happens then?
Speaker 4: And I'd like to think they'll find some of them
Speaker 4: will finally shake it off, But I don't know if
Speaker 4: I'm actually not that optimistic though at the end of
Speaker 4: the day.
Speaker 3: So well, that's the thing is, I think you based
Speaker 3: on your humor stuff, I think you can see a
Speaker 3: lot of this is just built on lies, right, And
Speaker 3: I think a lot of what populist politicians do is
Speaker 3: they create enemies, they create false narratives, someone to blame
Speaker 3: the elites or for us that the deep state is
Speaker 3: where we worked, right. I think the real people hurting
Speaker 3: the rural population and eventually will see this. Are there
Speaker 3: representatives that lie to them?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: The people are telling them these lies, but they actually
Speaker 3: aren't going to fix things. They feed them information to
Speaker 3: keep I'm angry they hoped why they hobbed now with
Speaker 3: the super rich people and get yes breaks, But so
Speaker 3: I don't know when it will come and how much
Speaker 3: damage would be done before before everybody figures it out.
Speaker 3: But it's a real problem that being lied to all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I really felt like when I was a
Speaker 4: kid in that town, because I tell people too, it's like, again,
Speaker 4: not only did it like vote blue in most elections,
Speaker 4: but most people when I was growing up there, I
Speaker 4: would have described as outwardly a political like people didn't
Speaker 4: talk about the general the general consensus and must almost
Speaker 4: everybody there back then was basically like, I'll fuck them.
Speaker 4: They're all full of shit, and none of them really
Speaker 4: give a damn about you know, the Yeah, right, I know,
Speaker 4: I know, And that's like the sort of context I
Speaker 4: was raised in there. And then now there's Trump signs
Speaker 4: all over the place or anything, and it's just it's changed.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, you're right. I mean, yes, they feed
Speaker 4: them things to make them angry and turn people against
Speaker 4: each other and make, you know, turn people into enemies
Speaker 4: that aren't really while hiding the fact that the real
Speaker 4: enemies or the masters that they're representative serving all that
Speaker 4: stuff that they don't say they get mad at, like
Speaker 4: Mexicans and shit instead in welfare queens and stuff and
Speaker 4: these serial boogeymen that they're terrified of instead of like
Speaker 4: the people that are actually screwing them over, sometimes right
Speaker 4: in front of their face. Like Elon Musk, and then
Speaker 4: he turns around and talks house Elon that is like
Speaker 4: through out there the idea of we've been saving all
Speaker 4: this money and uh, we might give everybody a dividend
Speaker 4: for it, you know, and he said, like five thousand
Speaker 4: dollars and I don't think that'll ever happen, but it's funny.
Speaker 4: It's funny to me that it's like, these people have
Speaker 4: been decrying anything that seems we can't have health care whatever.
Speaker 4: That's socialism. It's not fair. People's tax taxpayer tax money
Speaker 4: can't pay for other people's stuff, and that's not how
Speaker 4: it should be. Socialism's bad, you know, all this stuff.
Speaker 4: And then Elon's like, I think we should take this
Speaker 4: big sum of taxpayer money and just distribute it evenly
Speaker 4: to the people unconditionally. And they're like, oh, that's a
Speaker 4: great idea. That sounds awesome. That's totally what we should do. Again,
Speaker 4: I don't I think it'll be called dan Hill where
Speaker 4: that actually even happens. But it's the whole thing is
Speaker 4: just kind of upside down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, feal boogeyman. I like that.
Speaker 4: So you guys should know all about those I would
Speaker 4: imagine probably.
Speaker 3: We are ongoing.
Speaker 2: So I want to take you. So weansport yourself back
Speaker 2: to your hometown and Selena, and you're sitting in so
Speaker 2: my hometown, the local diner is called the Greeks. You
Speaker 2: sit there and you have a cup of coffee. Everybody
Speaker 2: talks after the church and things, and so you're back
Speaker 2: at the Greeks, and you tick me in and we
Speaker 2: sit down at the table of your local cafe, and
Speaker 2: you introduced me to your friends and go, this guy's
Speaker 2: the deep State and John's there too, right, so the
Speaker 2: true deep state guys, well, questions would they ask us?
Speaker 4: It's funny you say that, because I actually have a
Speaker 4: question that I was wanting to ask you guys. But
Speaker 4: it's not this question is coming from me. It's not.
Speaker 4: It's actually coming from a friend of mine. So this
Speaker 4: is not exactly what you're asking. I'm not channeling a
Speaker 4: hometown person. This is my own question I already wanted
Speaker 4: to ask you. But my friend that I co host
Speaker 4: of podcast with is and saying recent he's been positing
Speaker 4: that if these things that the current administration is doing
Speaker 4: really does lead to truly disastrous results, like things start
Speaker 4: to crumble apart and it's heading in that direction. At
Speaker 4: what point does anybody or can anybody step in and
Speaker 4: do something about it to whether it's like a coup
Speaker 4: or an Operation Valkyrie type sign or whatever it is,
Speaker 4: is there a point where to keep this country from collapse?
Speaker 4: Would the deep state ever do some deep state stuff
Speaker 4: in this scenario? And because he's starting to root for that.
Speaker 2: End, I wish there was a deep state. The deep
Speaker 2: state is just a it's just a shitty name. They
Speaker 2: throw a people like us who Congress and the president.
Speaker 2: They make the laws and the rule they don't always
Speaker 2: know what they are right, we carry them out. So
Speaker 2: like for even at CIA, the first thing we do
Speaker 2: when we're gonna have an operation is we go to
Speaker 2: a lawyer. We're like, is this legal? Is this conspiracial?
Speaker 2: Can we do it? And you know, if the answer
Speaker 2: is no, we don't do it. Regardless, even if the
Speaker 2: president says I want you to do something, and I
Speaker 2: think this is one of Trump's problems, He's like, I
Speaker 2: give an order, nobody carries it out like because they're like,
Speaker 2: maybe it's against the law, or maybe it's against the rules,
Speaker 2: are maybe it's unethical. People won't do it. So no,
Speaker 2: these were CIA and as least as bad as it
Speaker 2: is now. Nope, the only thing I think you'll find
Speaker 2: is people of goodwill will basically say I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: like keep my head down and try to wait out
Speaker 2: four years and I'll do what I need to do.
Speaker 2: But no, the answer is no.
Speaker 4: Even on that last note you said, I remember thinking
Speaker 4: the first time around the first Trump administraction, pey were like,
Speaker 4: this guy's in charge of the nukes. That's terrifying, And
Speaker 4: I was like, surely there's people around high high levels
Speaker 4: in the military and stuff. I've got to have been
Speaker 4: there for a long time. They're legit, they're not insane,
Speaker 4: and hopefully they would be able to keep something truly
Speaker 4: wild like that from happening. And I feel like after
Speaker 4: the first administration, you got we've got reports during like
Speaker 4: January sixth, committees and all that of the white things
Speaker 4: were inside at the time, and seemed like that was
Speaker 4: sort of the case. They had. It broke down and
Speaker 4: like there was team Saying and team crazy, and it's
Speaker 4: like the same like longtime bureaucrats who were like actually
Speaker 4: reasonable people were trying hard every day to keep Team
Speaker 4: Crazy from doing a bunch of crazy shit, And that's
Speaker 4: really what was happening behind the scenes the first time around,
Speaker 4: and it's like part of the whole plan this time
Speaker 4: around is to not have any of the same people there.
Speaker 4: And so you know, you said, you were saying people
Speaker 4: have been there a long time and are not down
Speaker 4: with all this, just like keep their head down. But
Speaker 4: do you think there's because I used to work for
Speaker 4: I used to work for the Department of Energy, and
Speaker 4: I was just like a pencil pusher at the desk.
Speaker 4: But I that's another thing I used to think because
Speaker 4: I worked my whole time in twenty ten to two thousand,
Speaker 4: middle of twenty sixteen, six and a half years I was.
Speaker 4: That was all Obama administration, So the Secretary of the
Speaker 4: DOE was like the head of Physics and Energy at MIT.
Speaker 4: And then after I left and Trump came in, it
Speaker 4: was fucking Rick Perry right, who couldn't even remember the
Speaker 4: name of the agency. And that was that was all
Speaker 4: freaking me out. But because I'd worked there, I was
Speaker 4: like I knew. I was like that people doing the
Speaker 4: things there every day are long there like life first.
Speaker 4: There are people that have been working for the DA
Speaker 4: for a long, long time through all kinds of different
Speaker 4: administrations with different politics, and they keep the mission going
Speaker 4: and the try and running on time and all that.
Speaker 4: So it's even with all this craziness, those people all
Speaker 4: still be there and that's the thing that gives me comfort.
Speaker 4: But again, what they're part of what they're doing right
Speaker 4: now is they're excising a lot of that. They're seeming to.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. So John and I John speak
Speaker 2: for herself, but he's worked against Russia, the Soviet Union,
Speaker 2: and you know, I've done a lot of time counterterrorism
Speaker 2: and spent time in rock Afghanistan pushing back against like
Speaker 2: really some evil ideologies and some nasty people. But if
Speaker 2: Trump comes along and says this isn't like, this isn't
Speaker 2: crazy anymore. He says, I want us to, I want
Speaker 2: you say, work against our real enemies, Canada. And then
Speaker 2: I guess it's not illegal to learn operations against the
Speaker 2: Native li. I mean, it would be stupid and unethical
Speaker 2: and foolish and short sighted, but I think they'd find
Speaker 2: a couple of people who do it, and a couple
Speaker 2: of people who Yeah, if you make me do it,
Speaker 2: I'll do a shitty job. I don't know, Jock, what
Speaker 2: do you think.
Speaker 3: I would get that question a lot of time when
Speaker 3: you guys gonna come in and take care of this
Speaker 3: kind of thing. You see, hey, guys, and essentially you
Speaker 3: have experienced in Dee. It's the same thing.
Speaker 4: People are.
Speaker 3: Our public servants are focused on their mission, which is
Speaker 3: collecting foreign intelligence, where we're not focused on domestic politics
Speaker 3: and try it. In fact, we're very much inculcated to
Speaker 3: stay away from the you know, you don't want a
Speaker 3: powerful agency that steals thing and does things like that
Speaker 3: working domestically, right, and so we'll pretty much stay out
Speaker 3: of domestic politics. So what Jerry said first is most
Speaker 3: likely is there isn't really a means for people to
Speaker 3: step in or do something or stop something. You know,
Speaker 3: half the country it most would blame them for getting
Speaker 3: involved in something they shouldn't get involved in. But like
Speaker 3: Jerry said too, most people going to focus on trying
Speaker 3: to do their job or keep their head down, or
Speaker 3: if they do give these kind of orders that are crazy,
Speaker 3: a certain percentage of people will quit. Another group will
Speaker 3: try to explain is best and try the best they
Speaker 3: can to push back and explain and some of them
Speaker 3: will get fired, and then there'll be a small group
Speaker 3: of people who will do it and probably do it poorly.
Speaker 3: And then maybe if Trump's in long enough, he'll bring
Speaker 3: in enough todies to try to come in and do it.
Speaker 3: But it's a very difficult job to just do on
Speaker 3: the fly. It takes a long time to go through
Speaker 3: training and get experience and get languages and learn how
Speaker 3: to do these things. I mean, he'll be dead long
Speaker 3: before anybody he brings in from the outside is trained
Speaker 3: and ready to do this effectively. So possibly Justice Department,
Speaker 3: possibly in the courts, possibly an FBI. At some point
Speaker 3: there'll be a group of people who can more effectively
Speaker 3: push back, but it's pushed back, probably trying their best
Speaker 3: to explain what's happening.
Speaker 2: Is illegal, right from the Republican Party, from his own ail.
Speaker 3: Yes, Congress is where it's supposed to happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the rest the great answer. Yeah. Other thing I
Speaker 4: was thinking just because this week he had a new
Speaker 4: executive order. Basically it was like, you know, expanding executive
Speaker 4: authority even further and basically telling the courts like, actually,
Speaker 4: we're we're the ones who are gonna interpret the law
Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, even though the constitution like
Speaker 4: says that's what judicial branch is for. And he's like,
Speaker 4: now we're not really doing that whole constitution thing anymore.
Speaker 4: But but I was thinking because of that, I was like,
Speaker 4: it's wild that that's the idea, that one thing, like
Speaker 4: an example, something is completely bipotterson and just unquestioned my
Speaker 4: whole life until recently. Was that, like, you know, checks
Speaker 4: and balances, which is the thing you get told over
Speaker 4: and over again as a kid growing up in this country.
Speaker 4: It's like one of the principles were founded on is
Speaker 4: the idea of checks and balances, and that that is
Speaker 4: good right whoever it has the power at any given time.
Speaker 4: The fact that we have that is a good thing, right.
Speaker 4: And that's one of those types of things, like fundamental
Speaker 4: precepts that I just never thought I would see questioned
Speaker 4: by anybody like regular people. I mean, And now they're
Speaker 4: actively trying to dismantle checks amounts and they're being cheered
Speaker 4: on for it, and that's it's all just it's all
Speaker 4: pretty wild. But since you asked me that question, the
Speaker 4: two that I thought of, what's the deal with the
Speaker 4: weather machine? Right? Who actually controls that, and uh, why
Speaker 4: didn't they send to her kind of put the fires
Speaker 4: out in LA when we had that problem out here,
Speaker 4: because it's this is liberal haven out here, so you'd
Speaker 4: think they want to take care of us. And then uh,
Speaker 4: and then what's the real story with COVID. What were
Speaker 4: you guys really doing there trying to put five G
Speaker 4: and everybody? Or were sterilized smart people? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I had retired, so we can't be blamed for either
Speaker 3: of those.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the conspiracy crazies, they've got their team in
Speaker 2: there now, all the people Lodgerie, Taylor Green her parties
Speaker 2: are in it. It's time to expose the Jewish space laser, right,
Speaker 2: I mean they yes, Well, now let's wheel out, get
Speaker 2: the gurneyes out, and wheel out the aliens that the
Speaker 2: CIA has hit all this time. Right, Let's do the
Speaker 2: Kennedy assassination.
Speaker 3: Still his people in charge, they can do all that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's bring it all out there.
Speaker 3: Let's show everybody to find out there's nothing there.
Speaker 4: But they still That's another thing that I don't get
Speaker 4: is like I was just in Kentucky doing shows and
Speaker 4: it was flooding there at the time I saw people,
Speaker 4: some of these people, like on Twitter, they were talking
Speaker 4: about so Elin had been saying, you know, we need
Speaker 4: to audit Fort Knox, right, because we don't even know
Speaker 4: if all that gold is there anymore. It could be
Speaker 4: just standing empty, who knows, you know. And it's like
Speaker 4: my buddy pointed out, He's like, well, if it's been
Speaker 4: empty for a while, that feels like that's been fine.
Speaker 3: Like it's like, I don't like it hasn't really affected.
Speaker 3: We don't know this, We don't know that. What they're
Speaker 3: saying is that they don't know. They went for the government.
Speaker 3: They actually do know if they ask people.
Speaker 4: So they had been saying that we need to audit
Speaker 4: Fort Knox and these people, and it caught up at
Speaker 4: a little traction on like Twitter and stuff between the
Speaker 4: conspiracy theories are like very funny that they're talking about
Speaker 4: auditing Fort Knox and all of a sudden it's flooding there.
Speaker 4: And it's because they're saying, you know, they we employed
Speaker 4: their machine again and mild things like okay, but that
Speaker 4: I thought that was like a Biden administration deep like
Speaker 4: they you guys have taken care of that, haven't you,
Speaker 4: Like you won you've pushed those people out right, So
Speaker 4: where are they? What are they doing that? There's some
Speaker 4: like secret.
Speaker 3: There's always got to be an enemy. So I have
Speaker 3: a question for you, Tray, do you get threats? There
Speaker 3: was recently a Vanity Fair article called They're Scared Shitless,
Speaker 3: and it talked about how North Carolina Senator Tom Tillis,
Speaker 3: who was claiming that he was going to vote against
Speaker 3: Pete Haygesith for Secretary of Defense, that the FBI went
Speaker 3: to and warned him about a series of credible death
Speaker 3: threats against him because he was going to vote against
Speaker 3: the presidents. Now me, do you get threats from people
Speaker 3: who really don't like what you're doing?
Speaker 4: Early on, when I first popped, first became a thing,
Speaker 4: and I was kind of all over the place briefly,
Speaker 4: like on the Internet, I got a lot of messages
Speaker 4: from people and dms and stuff that a lot of
Speaker 4: them are just like Colin at gay in various ways
Speaker 4: or whatever, or having conspiracy theories about me. It's like
Speaker 4: I'm a secret Jewish actor from New York who's been
Speaker 4: installed by the Obama administration to like propagate liberal propaganda
Speaker 4: in rural America. Right. That was a conspiracy theory, so
Speaker 4: stuff like that. But I would get some that were
Speaker 4: like threatening violence, you know, and however, ways, and I
Speaker 4: got a few death threats and that type of thing,
Speaker 4: but they were like here and there, and I mostly
Speaker 4: just like laughed them off or ignored it. Over the years,
Speaker 4: they've gotten much less and less because those people are
Speaker 4: not generally what you know, their algorithms, not showing them
Speaker 4: my stuff. For the most part, it's mostly just it'll
Speaker 4: be hateful comments or whatever. And I have known people
Speaker 4: who are like, don't have as large of a following
Speaker 4: as me, but have gotten on the radar of some
Speaker 4: of these guys. Right, I don't know how or why
Speaker 4: I have not gotten that kind of attention so far.
Speaker 4: I'm maybe I'm just again, I'm just either not on
Speaker 4: their radar or they don't. They think I'm just a
Speaker 4: silly thing that's not serious, which is fine with me
Speaker 4: because I am a comedian. So I ask myself sometimes
Speaker 4: like if that does happen, if I start getting that
Speaker 4: type of attention the way you hear all these stories
Speaker 4: about all the time, what am I gonna do? Because
Speaker 4: like I said, I am married, I do have kids,
Speaker 4: and it would you know, that shit would be freaky.
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, you were about these people, even
Speaker 4: that one guy, like even people on their side like that,
Speaker 4: that guy who was like a big he was like
Speaker 4: a big sort of leader in the process of January sixth,
Speaker 4: on the day of and then later they decided that
Speaker 4: he actually was one of your people who worked for
Speaker 4: the deep state. Right then he was installed there and
Speaker 4: this guy here maga and loves Trump. They just decided
Speaker 4: he was that secret deep state. And then he had
Speaker 4: to like go into hiding and shit with his wife
Speaker 4: and like leave there out because of you know, the
Speaker 4: threats they were getting, how harassed they got. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's like a list you get you
Speaker 4: find yourself on at some point and they'll like do
Speaker 4: everything they can to make your life hell. And thankfully
Speaker 4: that hasn't happened to me yet and I'm hoping obviously
Speaker 4: that it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Is Trump good for you? So I've got friends who
Speaker 2: are journalists. Now I never hit when it was on
Speaker 2: the inside, and after their third drink, they'll say, at
Speaker 2: least people are like animated now Trump hate and releiveled,
Speaker 2: but it's he's an animating character, and he's like in
Speaker 2: the headlines all the time, and he's journalists are building
Speaker 2: their careers off of either opposing him or digging shit
Speaker 2: up or lick spittling him and praising him. So, well,
Speaker 2: how do you see you yourself in this in this biasphere?
Speaker 4: Yeah, people were bringing it up to me too or
Speaker 4: asking me about that the first time around, also in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. That's like what I said then and not
Speaker 4: think it's still true this time around too. Is like
Speaker 4: I would as somebody who lives in this country and
Speaker 4: has kids and all this stuff, like it's this is
Speaker 4: not worth it to me, But it would be disingenuous
Speaker 4: of me to not acknowledge that this probably is like
Speaker 4: a quote unquote good thing for me professionally considering what
Speaker 4: I do, Like I probably do benefit from this ultimately,
Speaker 4: and did the first time round as well. But on
Speaker 4: the other hand, in the run up went Biden twenty
Speaker 4: and everything, everybody naively thought, you know, now that all
Speaker 4: that's over forever, what are you know? What are you
Speaker 4: what are you gonna do now? What are you gonna talk?
Speaker 4: When I was always like, it'll be fine. I've been
Speaker 4: this country long enough to know, especially now at this point,
Speaker 4: there's always gonna be dumb shit happening that it needs
Speaker 4: to be made fun of, regardless of who's in charge.
Speaker 4: So I think I'll be fine. And I was. I mean,
Speaker 4: I had, you know, I was in I didn't like
Speaker 4: go back to my old job during the Biden administration,
Speaker 4: just crawl back out of my internet hole when Trump
Speaker 4: got reelected, like I was still doing it all the
Speaker 4: that whole time. But now, but yeah, it's been you know,
Speaker 4: my numbers will have gone up recently and probably will
Speaker 4: continue to do so, and that means ticket sales and
Speaker 4: all that stuff, probably, and it's because of you know,
Speaker 4: the current state of things politically. But again, if I
Speaker 4: could snap my fingers and be doing somewhat less well
Speaker 4: but feel better about the future of the country, I
Speaker 4: would take that trade in a heartbeat. But yeah, it
Speaker 4: probably does help me a little bit for now up
Speaker 4: until a point like when the like Water Wars starts
Speaker 4: or whatever, or I don't know, people are gonna going
Speaker 4: to comedy shows in the after times or during the
Speaker 4: Second Civil War or whatever, so we'll see. I had
Speaker 4: thought and planned that if Harris Wallas had won, my
Speaker 4: plan was to gradually drift away from heavy politics stuff
Speaker 4: into more just regular stand up clips, and I even
Speaker 4: started making like cooking videos and stuff like that, just
Speaker 4: it's like regular funny stuff and not have to talk
Speaker 4: about politics all the time. Because I've been thinking, if
Speaker 4: they had won, then maybe we can all try to
Speaker 4: put some of this behind us as a people. Obviously
Speaker 4: didn't work out that way, and when when that, when
Speaker 4: what happened happened, I was like, well, Okay, I guess
Speaker 4: I'm still doing my thing for a while.
Speaker 2: It's cause perception. We'll be right back.
Speaker 3: Talking about theories. Do you think there's a greater tendency
Speaker 3: towards conspiracy theories on the right wing or in rural communities.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that leads me to ask
Speaker 3: that is I recall a few years ago there was
Speaker 3: a journalist that had been coming back from covering civil
Speaker 3: wars and poverty in the Third World for a long time,
Speaker 3: and he was getting interviewed one of these podcasts, New
Speaker 3: York Times podcasts, and they asked him, do you see
Speaker 3: a similar breakdown here that's going to lead to a
Speaker 3: civil war or whatever? And I was expecting to say, oh, yes,
Speaker 3: and he said no, because in the places where he
Speaker 3: was they had real problems, like they were really poor,
Speaker 3: they couldn't eat, they were actually killing each other, and
Speaker 3: here it seems like it's middle class, board white guys.
Speaker 3: So do you think there's a regional piece to this
Speaker 3: or a rural piece to this, or what is it?
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, the thing that that journalist said
Speaker 4: is like a version of a thing that I like
Speaker 4: try to tell myself to sleep at night or whatever.
Speaker 4: So I've heard other people say it to Americans don't
Speaker 4: really realize how we look around and like, oh god,
Speaker 4: the sky's fall, this is horrible and everything, and it's like,
Speaker 4: as compared to a lot so many places in the
Speaker 4: world and the shit that goes on there, it's like
Speaker 4: it's still it's still pretty nice here, you know, and
Speaker 4: we don't know how good we got it. And I
Speaker 4: try to remind myself of that. But I didn't. I
Speaker 4: would not used to. I would not have thought that
Speaker 4: it necessarily was the right leaning thing. Conspiracy theories. It's like,
Speaker 4: that's one thing I've lamented is like I used to,
Speaker 4: I was ever really into them. I've always liked aliens
Speaker 4: and stuff and UFO stuff and that type of thing.
Speaker 4: I like Oliver Stone's JFK movie and listening to podcasts
Speaker 4: about that stuff and whatever else, And it was always
Speaker 4: kind of a silly, fun thing to me, conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I smoked a little bit too much weed one time
Speaker 4: in college and watched the wrong YouTube video and for
Speaker 4: a couple hours after that, I was like, Damn Bush
Speaker 4: did nine to eleven, you know, like that type of thing.
Speaker 4: Then I shook it off later, but and like that's
Speaker 4: another good example. I feel like that was a the whole,
Speaker 4: like nine to eleven being an inside job and something
Speaker 4: that Bush did, like that conspiracy theory that was there
Speaker 4: was any of people on the left tour all about
Speaker 4: that because it was an anti Bush thing. So no
Speaker 4: used to know. But now I feel like it's undeniable
Speaker 4: that it's like right wing coded, And I think it's
Speaker 4: a combination of things where it's like the rise of
Speaker 4: QAnon and it begetting as big and mainstream as it did,
Speaker 4: and it kind of becoming like intrinsically linked with MAGA
Speaker 4: and Trump and the right, and also how all encompassing
Speaker 4: it is. It's like it will wrap up anything into itself,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's like any kind of
Speaker 4: conspiracy theory can get connected back to this larger one
Speaker 4: type thing and it and there it's people on the
Speaker 4: right largely. And then uh, and then I think a
Speaker 4: lot of like pied type stuff, you know, Like I'm
Speaker 4: not not blaming things on Joe Rogan, but I'm saying
Speaker 4: like that what realm of influence is tied to get
Speaker 4: you know, again, like early Joe Rogan and that there's
Speaker 4: like a crossover. He loved talking about conspiracy theories and
Speaker 4: aliens and all that shit that's used to be mostly
Speaker 4: all of what he did. And then you can see
Speaker 4: how they've got it's gotten mixed together with the politics
Speaker 4: of the right over the years, just by looking at
Speaker 4: his show as like a case study or an example.
Speaker 4: And that sucks because like some again, sometimes I could
Speaker 4: think they're fun, right, but I don't want to be
Speaker 4: even jokingly part of the current version of the world
Speaker 4: of conspiracy theories. It's just another thing that's been co
Speaker 4: opted and ruined by the far right. As far as
Speaker 4: I'm concerned, we used to have fun with conspiracy theories
Speaker 4: in this country and now they're dangerous.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, in high school, there was like who
Speaker 2: really built the pyramids or space aliens? And you know,
Speaker 2: you can enjoy that on any any part of the
Speaker 2: political spectrum. But one of my things that I'm sort
Speaker 2: of gobsfick and still dealing with. But it was like
Speaker 2: where I come from, I think where you do too,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of like a small town, the military
Speaker 2: was always sacred, sinct. It was also a place where
Speaker 2: kids coming out of high school, we can get a
Speaker 2: job and you can see the world. You can make
Speaker 2: something of yourself with a we had a pickle plan
Speaker 2: in town, right and it closed down, and kodaks like,
Speaker 2: you can always join the Marines, right, yes, yes, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people did. And if you didn't go
Speaker 2: to college. So with with the right now with Trump,
Speaker 2: what they've broken is really the military isn't sac or
Speaker 2: saint anymore. When Trump got up and said that John
Speaker 2: McKay is a fucking loser, freaking being held and tortured
Speaker 2: by the North Vietnamese, and people bought that, and people
Speaker 2: bought that in my tone too. You know, Trump's saying
Speaker 2: that generals are stupid and the military of a bunch
Speaker 2: of pussies. Right, what's your sense of like where you
Speaker 2: come from, is the military not being held in high
Speaker 2: regard anymore. I thought that was the bedrock thing me too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nothing like I was saying earlier about checks
Speaker 4: and balances or whatever. The military is the type of
Speaker 4: thing that I thought would not everybody called into quest.
Speaker 4: That was one of the craziest things that I ever
Speaker 4: saw Trump do, is when he did the things like
Speaker 4: you're talking about. He got caught calling you know, dead
Speaker 4: soldiers losers and all this type of shit he's done
Speaker 4: over the years. It's like, I can't believe that this
Speaker 4: is okay with everybody, because that was like the one
Speaker 4: thing you could never ever do. And it's all this
Speaker 4: dose stuff. And they've just recently started talking about, oh,
Speaker 4: they're actually going to cut some of the defense budget.
Speaker 4: And this part is hard for me because I've spent
Speaker 4: years being like, we should cut some of the defense,
Speaker 4: Like for most of my life it's like, God, I
Speaker 4: really wish we could cut some of the defense budget
Speaker 4: and focus more on space travel and going to Mars.
Speaker 4: And it's like without the monkey's Paul curls, right, this
Speaker 4: is the version of the world that's happening. But I
Speaker 4: think it's like, I don't know for sure, but I
Speaker 4: think it's like they still have an idea, an idealized
Speaker 4: version of the military that is sacro sanct in their head.
Speaker 4: And it's like they think that the present day military,
Speaker 4: like so many things, has been like co opted and
Speaker 4: ruined by like wokeism and dei stuff and that type
Speaker 4: of thing, or you know, the military is like gone
Speaker 4: woke with military leadership. So the military has lost its way,
Speaker 4: I think and gotten all woke and shit is how
Speaker 4: they justify being anti military right now. And it's like
Speaker 4: they just they want to they the real American military
Speaker 4: that they like, remember, it's like it's still attainable and
Speaker 4: that's still like the gold standard and it is sacro
Speaker 4: sanc but it's just been bastardized in the current version
Speaker 4: of it. That's why you can shit all over it
Speaker 4: is because of that. So you got to get it
Speaker 4: back to the old way or something.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: The next one then is similar, is like how do
Speaker 3: we become pro Russian, like for Christ's sake, Like.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's that one is nuh because again growing up
Speaker 4: here and my whole life, you know, I mean, they're
Speaker 4: the bad guys in every movie and everything. It's like
Speaker 4: the cold war was such it ended when I was
Speaker 4: like a kid, but it was still just like such
Speaker 4: a huge part of everything, and it's I just never
Speaker 4: I don't know, Uh, it's a big part of Like
Speaker 4: how so many people demonize the left overall apperiod or
Speaker 4: socialism being a dirty word is because they got associated
Speaker 4: with the evils of communism and Soviet Russia and that
Speaker 4: being the enemy and all that, and it was just
Speaker 4: never questioned. It's communism is still evil and socialism by
Speaker 4: proxy and all that. But now Russia's awesome because of
Speaker 4: I don't know, Putin's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to get people to watch Red Dawn again.
Speaker 2: It's the ru Yeah.
Speaker 3: I lived in Russia and I've been working on Russia
Speaker 3: things for a long time and it's not awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I you know what I think it is. And
Speaker 3: you what's so good about your comedy trade is you
Speaker 3: focus on what has happened I think in this country
Speaker 3: is we've defined our enemies as internal enemies rather than
Speaker 3: external enemies. Like when we grew up, it was like
Speaker 3: there was external enemies and we disagreed with each other,
Speaker 3: but we're on the same side against external I think
Speaker 3: one of the geniuses that Trump picked up on that
Speaker 3: was already out there. Was if I can make Hillary
Speaker 3: Clinton the enemy, then anything I say or do is
Speaker 3: okay because it's attacking that, because they're the real enemy,
Speaker 3: not anybody else.
Speaker 2: So true, what's your favorite conspiracy theory? And I hope
Speaker 2: it has to do with CIA, so we can maybe
Speaker 2: address it for you.
Speaker 4: My definitely the favorite genre of them, at least I guess,
Speaker 4: is all aliens and UFO stuffything from like Rosswelt through
Speaker 4: the drones or whatever, and all the stuff that people say,
Speaker 4: and then we can't talk about any of that, right, See,
Speaker 4: I have aliens in an underground bunker somewhere or alien
Speaker 4: tech or whatever. It's like one of those things where
Speaker 4: it's like, basically, do I think that aliens probably exist
Speaker 4: somewhere in the universe? Yes, mathematically I think that they
Speaker 4: probably do. Do I think that like the drownes in
Speaker 4: New Jersey and shit, or like aliens sur violence or
Speaker 4: any of that stuff. No, I don't.
Speaker 3: There was a senator from Nevada, Reid, who was really
Speaker 3: was obsessed with this for years, obviously at Area fifty
Speaker 3: one is in Nevada and stuff, and so he pushed
Speaker 3: the defense Department and the Intelligence he used to create
Speaker 3: some version of looking at things that we couldn't figure out.
Speaker 3: And there's been a congress variety of hearings and this
Speaker 3: and that, and of course none of it really answers
Speaker 3: any of this. And of course the thing is, every
Speaker 3: time you try to answer these things, it just makes
Speaker 3: people go deeper and say, ah, like they said, hey,
Speaker 3: let out all the JFK stuff, and essentially the intelligence
Speaker 3: just let out all the JFK stuff. But the fact
Speaker 3: there's like two pieces of paper left, they're like, ah,
Speaker 3: that's where the real thing is. You almost can't win
Speaker 3: when you start down this thing. So I think there
Speaker 3: is an office or in the Defense Department and probably
Speaker 3: in the intelligences or that try to do what they
Speaker 3: can to look at things that are unexplainable and see
Speaker 3: if they can't figure things out or if recover things
Speaker 3: that look that way. But in terms of actual alien stuff,
Speaker 3: I spent thirty years in a CIA, and I never
Speaker 3: heard anything but anything.
Speaker 2: We hit an office on this. I think this is big.
Speaker 2: In the seventies and eighties for a while that was
Speaker 2: looking at far seeing and we hired psychics and they
Speaker 2: would sit down and they would sit over a piece
Speaker 2: of paper and drink a coffee and they would like
Speaker 2: sketch something out and they go look for this in
Speaker 2: Atlanta vous stock like a submarine pen. And the only
Speaker 2: reason we had that was because and I can't remember
Speaker 2: was here to read. But there was some influential senator
Speaker 2: who was convinced that this could and he like made
Speaker 2: us do it. He gave us the money. It said,
Speaker 2: fucking do this and it produced nothing. But we're still
Speaker 2: like CIA had an office that did this, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: we were forced to, like.
Speaker 3: It's like mk Ultra, which is in the nineteen fifties, yep.
Speaker 3: There was a concern that we were fighting the Soviet Union,
Speaker 3: and there was all these public TV shows and movies suggests,
Speaker 3: and a number of people had come back from fighting
Speaker 3: in Korea and other places, and it seemed to become brainwashed.
Speaker 3: If you believe communism must because there must have been
Speaker 3: a drug or a brainwashing that the Soviets had figured out.
Speaker 3: And so there was a small place of the CIA
Speaker 3: that was supposed to look into it and test drugs
Speaker 3: and things to see if this thing existed. I think
Speaker 3: they they ruined a lot of people's minds but they
Speaker 3: found out that there was no You could destroy someone's brain,
Speaker 3: but you can't really reprogram it very right. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a pretty sad experiment.
Speaker 2: And I have to say, if we just the way
Speaker 2: things work in the real world. So John and I
Speaker 2: are both we've been out for a long time and
Speaker 2: are measley pensions were not poor, but we're certainly not rich.
Speaker 2: We could hit the jackpot if we, like said, I
Speaker 2: know where the aliens are, right, And if there really was,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't people come out afterwards and say it, like,
Speaker 2: you know, just or sneak off to the Washington Post
Speaker 2: or the New York Times or Carlson and go here's yeah,
Speaker 2: the thousands of us, Why wouldn't wanted to know?
Speaker 4: That? Is the mind that because over your I thought
Speaker 4: about I think really like the real conspiracy theory is
Speaker 4: that it's all way more boring than you think it
Speaker 4: is and also less effectual than you think of this
Speaker 4: not as all powerful as a lot of people think
Speaker 4: it is. And they couldn't don't have the capacity to
Speaker 4: do a lot of this stuff that people think that
Speaker 4: has been done. And also, as you just said, it's
Speaker 4: like the whole moonlanding mean faked or whatever like that one.
Speaker 4: It's like the sheer number of people that would have
Speaker 4: to be involved with something like that and never ever
Speaker 4: even up to it, including their deathbed, say a single
Speaker 4: thing about it or leak any information out or whatever.
Speaker 4: And it's like people just people can't do that, you know,
Speaker 4: it's human nature to It's just impossible. You can't keep
Speaker 4: a secret like that with that many people. There's like
Speaker 4: two people maybe can keep a secret, and even when
Speaker 4: the third person gets involved, it's you're in danger of
Speaker 4: it getting out. Let alone thousands of people.
Speaker 3: So yeah, especially in this day and age, he could
Speaker 3: make some good money off of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they don't stay secret very long.
Speaker 3: It's been so fun to listen to you. I enjoy
Speaker 3: falling on social media and I would suggest that people
Speaker 3: in our audience to look it up Tree Crowder.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Trek Crowder dot com, track Crowder on all
Speaker 4: the socials and yeah, thanks for having me. It's a fun.
Speaker 3: Appreciate Troy is tr Ae, So Troy, thank you very much,
Speaker 3: really really appreciate it.
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