WEBVTT - Trae Crowder, The Liberal Redneck (ENCORE) 0:00:15.082 --> 0:00:16.881 John and I are on break now who are on 0:00:16.962 --> 0:00:20.482 a secret mission and this before all new Mission Implausible 0:00:20.521 --> 0:00:23.482 episodes come out this fall. But for now, we'll bring 0:00:23.521 --> 0:00:26.721 you one of our favorite past episodes and we'll soon 0:00:26.802 --> 0:00:28.402 be launching our YouTube channel. 0:00:28.602 --> 0:00:29.202 See you there. 0:00:31.202 --> 0:00:34.321 I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry O'Shea. I was a 0:00:34.322 --> 0:00:37.682 CIA officer stationed around the world in high threat posts 0:00:37.682 --> 0:00:39.402 in Europe, Russia, and in Asia. 0:00:39.442 --> 0:00:42.522 And I served in Africa, Asia, Europe, the Middle East 0:00:42.602 --> 0:00:46.642 and in war zones. We sometimes created conspiracies to deceive 0:00:46.722 --> 0:00:47.681 our adversaries. 0:00:47.922 --> 0:00:51.602 Now we're going to use our expertise to deconstruct conspiracy 0:00:51.641 --> 0:00:53.402 theories large and small. 0:00:53.682 --> 0:00:56.122 Could they be true? Or are we being manipulated? 0:00:56.642 --> 0:01:03.322 This is Mission Implausible. Today's guest is Trey Crowder. He's 0:01:03.362 --> 0:01:06.122 the liberal redneck. He's a comedian with a big following 0:01:06.202 --> 0:01:09.362 on YouTube and social media and the author of several books. 0:01:09.602 --> 0:01:11.722 He's from rural Tennessee and you can see the dates 0:01:11.722 --> 0:01:14.722 through his nationwide comedy tour on his website. So welcome 0:01:14.762 --> 0:01:15.482 to Hey. 0:01:15.762 --> 0:01:17.962 The website and question is trade Crowder dot com. By 0:01:17.962 --> 0:01:20.002 the way, thanks for the intro and thanks for having me. 0:01:20.122 --> 0:01:22.122 The first question I've met for you is can you 0:01:22.161 --> 0:01:23.282 explain gd bance? 0:01:23.722 --> 0:01:28.081 No, not really only a show. I have a weird 0:01:28.962 --> 0:01:33.362 miniature history with j D actually because his I first 0:01:33.402 --> 0:01:37.202 went viral and started gaining my online following that you 0:01:37.282 --> 0:01:40.722 mentioned in the spring of twenty sixteen. I had been 0:01:40.762 --> 0:01:43.841 doing stand up in anonymity for like six years already 0:01:43.881 --> 0:01:46.081 at that point, but then I made these videos and 0:01:46.122 --> 0:01:48.122 they one of them took off really big, and then 0:01:48.162 --> 0:01:49.922 I could just snowball from there, which is great. But 0:01:49.962 --> 0:01:52.562 it started in twenty sixteen and I started going all 0:01:52.562 --> 0:01:55.162 these meetings, Hollywood meetings and stuff like this, and people 0:01:55.442 --> 0:01:58.442 started asking me, oh, you must love Have you read 0:01:58.442 --> 0:02:00.522 that new book? Have you read He'll Billy Eligi? If 0:02:00.522 --> 0:02:02.282 you read that, you know about that. And that's how 0:02:02.282 --> 0:02:05.082 I found out about it. And I looked it up 0:02:05.122 --> 0:02:08.642 and they were all any type of remotely fancy person 0:02:08.962 --> 0:02:11.682 intelligentsia or any type of artist to have whether they 0:02:11.682 --> 0:02:15.082 were like salivating over this book, right, they loved it. 0:02:15.202 --> 0:02:16.882 So I found out about that way. And then I 0:02:17.002 --> 0:02:19.322 was like going on TV at the time, like CNN 0:02:19.362 --> 0:02:21.882 and MSNBC and Bill marsh Show and stuff like that, 0:02:21.962 --> 0:02:24.401 and usually I was being brought on there relevant to 0:02:24.442 --> 0:02:27.922 the first question you asked to like explain Hillbillies to people, 0:02:28.242 --> 0:02:30.242 because there was a big narrative them about them and Trump. 0:02:30.681 --> 0:02:33.001 Then that's what happened with Trump is he reached these 0:02:33.042 --> 0:02:35.682 specific people. It's like, you're one of these people, what's 0:02:35.762 --> 0:02:38.762 up with that? Explain to us what that's all about. 0:02:39.082 --> 0:02:42.121 And Jad was doing the same thing at the same time, 0:02:42.202 --> 0:02:44.681 and we like met and started talking and stuff. He 0:02:45.121 --> 0:02:46.842 brought his wife, who was pregnant at the time, to 0:02:46.882 --> 0:02:50.001 my comedy show that I did in Columbus. We hung 0:02:50.002 --> 0:02:52.202 out afterwards, went to a bar, hung out for a 0:02:52.282 --> 0:02:54.681 few hours, talking about stuff. Now at that time, and 0:02:54.681 --> 0:02:56.962 he was still calling Trump Hitler and everything. So I 0:02:57.042 --> 0:02:59.401 was like, this guy's all right. Stayed in touch sort 0:02:59.401 --> 0:03:01.762 of over the years, a little bit, texting here and there, 0:03:02.082 --> 0:03:05.561 and then as his rise became more evident and took 0:03:05.602 --> 0:03:08.161 the trajectory it did. You know, I haven't talked to 0:03:08.202 --> 0:03:11.442 him forever at this point. But like I even when 0:03:11.442 --> 0:03:14.322 I read the book, though, there were parts in it 0:03:14.362 --> 0:03:17.362 where because we had we do have, if everything in 0:03:17.401 --> 0:03:20.122 the book is to be believed, we have a very 0:03:20.162 --> 0:03:22.922 similar upbringing and background in a lot of ways. My 0:03:23.002 --> 0:03:27.202 mom was also a drug addict. I'm from very very rural, uh, 0:03:27.322 --> 0:03:31.082 poverty stricken Tennessee. Now he would like go there. He 0:03:31.202 --> 0:03:33.522 like grew up in Ohio, really, but he would go 0:03:33.561 --> 0:03:36.002 there in the summers and be immersed in He'll billy 0:03:36.122 --> 0:03:39.002 shit for a while. I was in it all the time, 0:03:39.202 --> 0:03:43.642 not bragging, but uh and so I definitely related to 0:03:43.682 --> 0:03:44.802 a lot of it. But there were a lot of 0:03:44.922 --> 0:03:46.722 angles he took in that book and things that he 0:03:46.762 --> 0:03:49.042 said that even at the very beginning of even knowing 0:03:49.042 --> 0:03:51.482 who he was, I was like, it just struck me 0:03:51.682 --> 0:03:54.962 odd or weird. I was like, that's I don't I'm 0:03:54.962 --> 0:03:57.162 not down with that. Like one of the big ones 0:03:57.162 --> 0:04:00.082 I remember, is he he He makes this whole case 0:04:00.202 --> 0:04:04.562 in the book for payday loan places, right about how 0:04:04.602 --> 0:04:07.642 people like demonize those as being predatory, but what they 0:04:07.642 --> 0:04:11.002 don't understand is those places really are lifelines to poor 0:04:11.082 --> 0:04:13.242 rural people and all this stuff. Okay, Because I got 0:04:13.242 --> 0:04:14.722 to that part and I was like, what fuck those 0:04:14.722 --> 0:04:16.241 place says, what are you serious? 0:04:16.402 --> 0:04:16.601 You know? 0:04:17.362 --> 0:04:19.522 And then I hear later after the fact that I 0:04:19.562 --> 0:04:23.922 purportedly he had whatever investment stakes or something like that, 0:04:23.962 --> 0:04:26.041 and some company that had some paty loan places or 0:04:26.042 --> 0:04:27.282 that type of thing, and I was like, well, that's 0:04:27.322 --> 0:04:31.122 pretty greasy. And then his whole central thesis the way 0:04:31.122 --> 0:04:34.762 I read it in that book, which was basically just like, yeah, listen, 0:04:34.842 --> 0:04:38.162 you know, uh, these poor white people, they're just like 0:04:39.202 --> 0:04:44.762 they're just fundamentally lazy. There's something broken in them, like culturally, 0:04:44.962 --> 0:04:47.042 like they it's their own. They could blame everybody else 0:04:47.042 --> 0:04:49.442 all they want, but it's it's their own fault at 0:04:49.482 --> 0:04:51.402 the end of the day. But I just never looked 0:04:51.442 --> 0:04:54.042 at like that because I've seen too many people very 0:04:54.042 --> 0:04:56.522 close to me that I feel like there are no 0:04:56.642 --> 0:05:00.002 fault of their own been you know, turned to shit 0:05:00.362 --> 0:05:05.482 by completely external factors. Ironically, to a lot of those 0:05:05.482 --> 0:05:10.162 people love JD's boss, Donald Trump and that type of thing, 0:05:10.202 --> 0:05:13.482 you know, because of all that that happened. But I 0:05:13.482 --> 0:05:17.282 don't know how he you know, how we had basically 0:05:17.322 --> 0:05:20.242 the same experiences and landed on such different outcomes the 0:05:20.282 --> 0:05:23.202 way that we did. But I think that, you know, 0:05:23.362 --> 0:05:25.242 you know, I don't know, I'm a conspiratorial it is, 0:05:25.282 --> 0:05:27.602 but I think that he's I very much believe that 0:05:27.602 --> 0:05:29.762 he's been that he's backed by Peter Thiel and has 0:05:29.802 --> 0:05:33.442 been shepherded into this position that he's in now for 0:05:33.482 --> 0:05:37.042 a very strategic reason on their part. He was identified 0:05:37.042 --> 0:05:39.122 early on by them, I think, as someone who's like 0:05:39.802 --> 0:05:43.042 to be used for this purpose and has been more 0:05:43.042 --> 0:05:45.402 than happy to allow that to happen. That's what I 0:05:45.442 --> 0:05:46.922 think has happened with j D. 0:05:47.282 --> 0:05:48.922 I think in two or three different times. 0:05:49.242 --> 0:05:53.202 Yeah, yeah, I know, he's definitely weird and all everything 0:05:53.242 --> 0:05:56.442 that's going on there, and then he still like sucks 0:05:56.562 --> 0:05:59.042 up to people, the types of people who will be 0:05:59.082 --> 0:06:01.922 openly racist towards some other his children to his face 0:06:02.002 --> 0:06:03.962 or to his digital face on Twitter anyway, and that 0:06:04.042 --> 0:06:06.602 type of thing, which I also just find very wild. 0:06:06.962 --> 0:06:09.242 The whole thing is wild. But you know, I mean 0:06:09.282 --> 0:06:12.722 it's worked very well for him. He's the freaking vice president. 0:06:12.882 --> 0:06:15.242 He's in the White House right now, Like he can 0:06:15.402 --> 0:06:17.722 argue with the results. If that's you know, those are 0:06:17.762 --> 0:06:20.002 the things you value, money and power and all that. 0:06:20.082 --> 0:06:22.922 It's he's definitely getting what he wanted out of it 0:06:23.002 --> 0:06:25.202 so far, and it could only just be beginning, so 0:06:25.802 --> 0:06:26.442 we'll see. 0:06:26.762 --> 0:06:29.682 I'm not a hillbilly here my accent, but I did 0:06:29.722 --> 0:06:32.722 grow up in a small town, one of ten kids, 0:06:33.162 --> 0:06:35.922 everybody's working for Kodak up in that area, and then 0:06:36.002 --> 0:06:39.322 Kodak went bust, everybody lost their jobs, and right, yeah, yeah, 0:06:39.442 --> 0:06:42.041 I get that kind of thing. That was like taking 0:06:42.082 --> 0:06:45.082 your date to the town up to watch the Bears shooting. Yeah, 0:06:45.322 --> 0:06:47.762 but I'll tell you where I come from too. Trump 0:06:47.882 --> 0:06:50.202 is killer with a lot of my family and a 0:06:50.202 --> 0:06:52.722 lot of former friends from high school and everything like that, 0:06:53.002 --> 0:06:56.122 and I have not had really the chance to sit 0:06:56.202 --> 0:07:00.762 down and talk with them about what's in their best interest. 0:07:00.842 --> 0:07:04.282 And not that you represent all Hillbillies everywhere, but one 0:07:04.282 --> 0:07:06.442 thing I've struggled with is sort of this cult like 0:07:06.602 --> 0:07:11.042 adherence to something that maybe appeals to their pride but 0:07:11.242 --> 0:07:12.762 isn't always in their best. 0:07:12.482 --> 0:07:14.602 Interest early on from the beginning. And that's alluded to 0:07:14.642 --> 0:07:17.322 this little bit And so did you so like my hometown? Also, 0:07:17.402 --> 0:07:19.362 So my hometown, I think is an interesting case study. 0:07:19.402 --> 0:07:21.402 It was called Salina, Tennessee. It's in Clay County. It's 0:07:21.442 --> 0:07:24.122 very rural. We don't have any traffic lights or McDonald's 0:07:24.202 --> 0:07:28.762 or anything there. So yeah, stop bragging. That's enough, I 0:07:28.842 --> 0:07:31.562 get it. You fancy, but uh, in every general election 0:07:31.722 --> 0:07:34.882 up to like two thousand and four, Clay County was 0:07:34.922 --> 0:07:37.722 a Democratic county and was blue like win for al 0:07:37.762 --> 0:07:40.722 Gore in two thousand and then Clinton before that, and 0:07:40.842 --> 0:07:44.002 had been Democrat previously and then now it's like one 0:07:44.002 --> 0:07:48.522 of the strongest for Trump counties in Tennessee, like by 0:07:48.602 --> 0:07:51.802 percentage again it's very small, but percentage wise, and in 0:07:51.842 --> 0:07:55.922 the nineties, for years and years, the whole, the beating 0:07:55.962 --> 0:07:58.242 heart of the town's economy was a fact of textile 0:07:58.282 --> 0:08:01.682 factory from your way Midwive because I assume they're from 0:08:01.682 --> 0:08:05.082 actual oshkosh Oshkosh Bagosh, that's what they're called, you know, 0:08:05.402 --> 0:08:09.722 the most whimsically named company to ever destroy an entire community. 0:08:09.802 --> 0:08:12.402 But they they made and make a little cute little 0:08:12.442 --> 0:08:15.122 baby overalls and stuff. And that was like there was 0:08:15.122 --> 0:08:17.082 a big factory in Solina for years and years in 0:08:17.122 --> 0:08:19.842 the nineties that left it went to Mexico. Nothing ever 0:08:19.882 --> 0:08:22.322 replaced it. My family and a bunch of other people. 0:08:22.442 --> 0:08:25.242 You either worked at the factory or you did something 0:08:25.282 --> 0:08:27.042 that kind of serviced people that worked at the factory. 0:08:27.082 --> 0:08:30.042 That my dad ran the only video store in town, 0:08:30.402 --> 0:08:33.442 Like he had a converted single white trailer called Crowder's Video, 0:08:33.602 --> 0:08:36.282 and my grandpa had a car lot. My other grandma 0:08:36.362 --> 0:08:40.042 had a country cafe like a diner, and then my 0:08:40.482 --> 0:08:43.642 openly gay uncle and his partner had a deli on 0:08:43.802 --> 0:08:46.762 the town square, and all of which were doing great. 0:08:46.842 --> 0:08:49.922 And then that factory left and within ten years all 0:08:49.962 --> 0:08:53.162 of those businesses were closed. Half those people were dead. 0:08:53.402 --> 0:08:56.802 My mom was hooked on pills, and that was the norm. 0:08:56.882 --> 0:09:00.122 That happened to everybody there pretty much, or almost everybody, 0:09:00.202 --> 0:09:03.482 or at least that were adjacent to It just devastated 0:09:03.522 --> 0:09:07.002 the town and they've never to this day recovered. And 0:09:07.082 --> 0:09:09.442 I felt like at twenty sixteen, like Trump showed up 0:09:09.482 --> 0:09:11.922 and like was the first person to even really pretend 0:09:12.042 --> 0:09:14.562 to give a shit about them or any of that. 0:09:15.002 --> 0:09:16.722 He had been famous for years before that as a 0:09:16.842 --> 0:09:19.602 rich douchebag that I never liked him. For the record, 0:09:20.042 --> 0:09:23.162 I didn't know any redneck, especially red neck dude who 0:09:23.282 --> 0:09:25.922 liked him. You know. He was like a you know, 0:09:26.082 --> 0:09:28.602 a blue blood Yankee son of a bitch who thinks 0:09:28.602 --> 0:09:30.602 he's better than everybody else, you know, and needs his 0:09:30.642 --> 0:09:33.762 ass whipped type of thing. Is how nobody liked him, 0:09:34.242 --> 0:09:35.562 and I did either. So when he showed up and 0:09:35.602 --> 0:09:37.602 he was doing that, I was like okay, but he's 0:09:37.642 --> 0:09:40.682 full of shit. That he's clearly full of shit. Shouldn't 0:09:40.722 --> 0:09:42.562 that part matter? But I just think they were just 0:09:42.562 --> 0:09:48.402 so desperate for anyone to care that they latched onto it. 0:09:48.402 --> 0:09:50.002 And he blamed a lot of the same people, like 0:09:50.042 --> 0:09:51.802 the swamp and that sort of thing, and then yes, 0:09:51.922 --> 0:09:54.282 the racist aspect of it too that he fed into. 0:09:54.402 --> 0:09:55.962 But I always used to tell people, I just thought 0:09:56.002 --> 0:09:59.002 the racism part was just the icing on the fuck 0:09:59.082 --> 0:10:02.602 you cake that he baked for them, for the establishment 0:10:02.642 --> 0:10:05.042 that they had seen as having ruined their lives and 0:10:05.122 --> 0:10:08.082 left them behind. So I was sympathetic to it the 0:10:08.082 --> 0:10:10.002 first time around. Again, I felt like I saw through 0:10:10.042 --> 0:10:11.562 it and I was like, you guys are getting sold 0:10:12.002 --> 0:10:15.002 bad bill of goods here. This is bullshit. But I 0:10:15.042 --> 0:10:17.642 did get where they were coming from or why they 0:10:17.682 --> 0:10:20.282 felt that way. All these years later, after everything that 0:10:20.522 --> 0:10:22.242 has happened, all the stuff that he's done, and how 0:10:22.602 --> 0:10:25.442 nothing has really changed in my hometown for the better, 0:10:25.602 --> 0:10:28.642 for sure, and they're even more die hard now than ever, 0:10:28.802 --> 0:10:32.762 it's harder for me to try to reconcile with that. 0:10:32.922 --> 0:10:35.322 But I guess it's a you know, I mean, you 0:10:35.362 --> 0:10:37.202 called it a cult. I think you know, it's some 0:10:37.282 --> 0:10:39.282 kind of you get dug in and it becomes part 0:10:39.282 --> 0:10:42.042 of your identity, your personality, whatever, and then you just 0:10:42.082 --> 0:10:44.242 like it's hard to break people out of that. And 0:10:44.282 --> 0:10:46.642 then now lately, all the stuff that's happening lately in 0:10:46.642 --> 0:10:51.642 this country like scaring me. But if your hardcore maga 0:10:51.762 --> 0:10:53.842 or whatever, I mean, they've got to be loving all 0:10:53.882 --> 0:10:57.082 this shit, I imagine, like so far because there's no been 0:10:57.482 --> 0:10:59.402 there's no long term effects of any of it. Yet, 0:10:59.522 --> 0:11:01.482 it's just all they see is Trump just doing all 0:11:01.482 --> 0:11:03.482 the things he told them he would do, because that's why, 0:11:03.482 --> 0:11:05.402 I mean, that's what he's doing. Like in a way, 0:11:05.522 --> 0:11:09.162 I'm like morbidly impressed by it because I've never seen 0:11:09.202 --> 0:11:12.682 an American politician do that. Almost all the time, they 0:11:12.762 --> 0:11:14.562 just say a bunch of shit and don't do much 0:11:14.602 --> 0:11:16.881 of nothing on both sides for most of my life. 0:11:16.882 --> 0:11:20.162 But he's doing stuff, and it's stuff that I really 0:11:20.162 --> 0:11:22.642 am not in favor of. But they love it and 0:11:22.682 --> 0:11:25.761 think it's a great idea, And so you know, they're 0:11:25.802 --> 0:11:28.002 not jumping off the Trump train anytime soon, I don't think. 0:11:28.002 --> 0:11:30.482 And the real question to me is when the receipts 0:11:30.482 --> 0:11:31.682 come in for a lot of these things that I 0:11:31.722 --> 0:11:34.042 think are going to have disastrous long terms, you know, 0:11:34.442 --> 0:11:38.642 sex when that when those consequences arrived, what happens then? 0:11:39.042 --> 0:11:40.922 And I'd like to think they'll find some of them 0:11:40.922 --> 0:11:43.442 will finally shake it off, But I don't know if 0:11:43.442 --> 0:11:46.042 I'm actually not that optimistic though at the end of 0:11:46.082 --> 0:11:46.402 the day. 0:11:46.482 --> 0:11:49.362 So well, that's the thing is, I think you based 0:11:49.402 --> 0:11:50.881 on your humor stuff, I think you can see a 0:11:50.882 --> 0:11:52.962 lot of this is just built on lies, right, And 0:11:53.042 --> 0:11:56.042 I think a lot of what populist politicians do is 0:11:56.042 --> 0:11:58.762 they create enemies, they create false narratives, someone to blame 0:11:59.202 --> 0:12:01.402 the elites or for us that the deep state is 0:12:01.402 --> 0:12:04.282 where we worked, right. I think the real people hurting 0:12:04.322 --> 0:12:06.842 the rural population and eventually will see this. Are there 0:12:06.922 --> 0:12:08.762 representatives that lie to them? 0:12:08.842 --> 0:12:09.002 Right? 0:12:09.082 --> 0:12:12.642 The people are telling them these lies, but they actually 0:12:12.642 --> 0:12:14.682 aren't going to fix things. They feed them information to 0:12:14.762 --> 0:12:17.722 keep I'm angry they hoped why they hobbed now with 0:12:17.722 --> 0:12:20.442 the super rich people and get yes breaks, But so 0:12:20.562 --> 0:12:22.682 I don't know when it will come and how much 0:12:22.762 --> 0:12:25.682 damage would be done before before everybody figures it out. 0:12:25.722 --> 0:12:27.842 But it's a real problem that being lied to all 0:12:27.842 --> 0:12:28.242 the time. 0:12:28.562 --> 0:12:30.761 Yeah, and I really felt like when I was a 0:12:30.842 --> 0:12:33.202 kid in that town, because I tell people too, it's like, again, 0:12:33.282 --> 0:12:35.442 not only did it like vote blue in most elections, 0:12:35.442 --> 0:12:38.002 but most people when I was growing up there, I 0:12:38.042 --> 0:12:41.962 would have described as outwardly a political like people didn't 0:12:42.002 --> 0:12:46.322 talk about the general the general consensus and must almost 0:12:46.322 --> 0:12:50.322 everybody there back then was basically like, I'll fuck them. 0:12:50.322 --> 0:12:52.562 They're all full of shit, and none of them really 0:12:52.562 --> 0:12:56.362 give a damn about you know, the Yeah, right, I know, 0:12:57.202 --> 0:12:59.562 I know, And that's like the sort of context I 0:12:59.682 --> 0:13:01.682 was raised in there. And then now there's Trump signs 0:13:01.682 --> 0:13:03.962 all over the place or anything, and it's just it's changed. 0:13:04.002 --> 0:13:05.562 I mean, yeah, you're right. I mean, yes, they feed 0:13:05.562 --> 0:13:08.402 them things to make them angry and turn people against 0:13:08.402 --> 0:13:11.682 each other and make, you know, turn people into enemies 0:13:11.682 --> 0:13:14.842 that aren't really while hiding the fact that the real 0:13:15.042 --> 0:13:18.122 enemies or the masters that they're representative serving all that 0:13:18.162 --> 0:13:19.922 stuff that they don't say they get mad at, like 0:13:20.042 --> 0:13:23.282 Mexicans and shit instead in welfare queens and stuff and 0:13:23.322 --> 0:13:27.122 these serial boogeymen that they're terrified of instead of like 0:13:28.002 --> 0:13:30.082 the people that are actually screwing them over, sometimes right 0:13:30.122 --> 0:13:32.282 in front of their face. Like Elon Musk, and then 0:13:32.322 --> 0:13:35.521 he turns around and talks house Elon that is like 0:13:35.842 --> 0:13:38.002 through out there the idea of we've been saving all 0:13:38.002 --> 0:13:41.362 this money and uh, we might give everybody a dividend 0:13:41.482 --> 0:13:43.202 for it, you know, and he said, like five thousand 0:13:43.202 --> 0:13:46.362 dollars and I don't think that'll ever happen, but it's funny. 0:13:46.522 --> 0:13:49.162 It's funny to me that it's like, these people have 0:13:49.282 --> 0:13:53.442 been decrying anything that seems we can't have health care whatever. 0:13:53.602 --> 0:13:57.162 That's socialism. It's not fair. People's tax taxpayer tax money 0:13:57.202 --> 0:13:58.882 can't pay for other people's stuff, and that's not how 0:13:58.922 --> 0:14:02.162 it should be. Socialism's bad, you know, all this stuff. 0:14:02.162 --> 0:14:03.802 And then Elon's like, I think we should take this 0:14:03.882 --> 0:14:08.642 big sum of taxpayer money and just distribute it evenly 0:14:08.922 --> 0:14:12.402 to the people unconditionally. And they're like, oh, that's a 0:14:12.442 --> 0:14:15.482 great idea. That sounds awesome. That's totally what we should do. Again, 0:14:15.562 --> 0:14:17.322 I don't I think it'll be called dan Hill where 0:14:17.322 --> 0:14:20.522 that actually even happens. But it's the whole thing is 0:14:20.602 --> 0:14:21.642 just kind of upside down. 0:14:22.042 --> 0:14:24.842 Yeah, feal boogeyman. I like that. 0:14:25.322 --> 0:14:26.882 So you guys should know all about those I would 0:14:26.882 --> 0:14:27.842 imagine probably. 0:14:28.122 --> 0:14:28.842 We are ongoing. 0:14:28.962 --> 0:14:33.002 So I want to take you. So weansport yourself back 0:14:33.042 --> 0:14:35.442 to your hometown and Selena, and you're sitting in so 0:14:35.602 --> 0:14:38.202 my hometown, the local diner is called the Greeks. You 0:14:38.242 --> 0:14:39.882 sit there and you have a cup of coffee. Everybody 0:14:39.962 --> 0:14:42.162 talks after the church and things, and so you're back 0:14:42.162 --> 0:14:44.722 at the Greeks, and you tick me in and we 0:14:44.842 --> 0:14:47.722 sit down at the table of your local cafe, and 0:14:47.762 --> 0:14:50.242 you introduced me to your friends and go, this guy's 0:14:50.322 --> 0:14:52.202 the deep State and John's there too, right, so the 0:14:52.242 --> 0:14:55.282 true deep state guys, well, questions would they ask us? 0:14:55.362 --> 0:14:57.322 It's funny you say that, because I actually have a 0:14:57.482 --> 0:14:59.482 question that I was wanting to ask you guys. But 0:14:59.562 --> 0:15:02.762 it's not this question is coming from me. It's not. 0:15:02.842 --> 0:15:04.602 It's actually coming from a friend of mine. So this 0:15:04.642 --> 0:15:06.562 is not exactly what you're asking. I'm not channeling a 0:15:06.682 --> 0:15:09.122 hometown person. This is my own question I already wanted 0:15:09.122 --> 0:15:12.122 to ask you. But my friend that I co host 0:15:12.162 --> 0:15:16.402 of podcast with is and saying recent he's been positing 0:15:16.882 --> 0:15:20.322 that if these things that the current administration is doing 0:15:20.362 --> 0:15:23.842 really does lead to truly disastrous results, like things start 0:15:23.882 --> 0:15:27.122 to crumble apart and it's heading in that direction. At 0:15:27.122 --> 0:15:30.042 what point does anybody or can anybody step in and 0:15:30.122 --> 0:15:32.642 do something about it to whether it's like a coup 0:15:32.762 --> 0:15:35.402 or an Operation Valkyrie type sign or whatever it is, 0:15:35.402 --> 0:15:38.402 is there a point where to keep this country from collapse? 0:15:38.762 --> 0:15:41.562 Would the deep state ever do some deep state stuff 0:15:41.802 --> 0:15:46.002 in this scenario? And because he's starting to root for that. 0:15:46.322 --> 0:15:48.842 End, I wish there was a deep state. The deep 0:15:48.882 --> 0:15:51.202 state is just a it's just a shitty name. They 0:15:51.242 --> 0:15:54.362 throw a people like us who Congress and the president. 0:15:54.722 --> 0:15:57.482 They make the laws and the rule they don't always 0:15:57.482 --> 0:16:00.522 know what they are right, we carry them out. So 0:16:00.682 --> 0:16:03.482 like for even at CIA, the first thing we do 0:16:03.562 --> 0:16:05.682 when we're gonna have an operation is we go to 0:16:05.722 --> 0:16:09.322 a lawyer. We're like, is this legal? Is this conspiracial? 0:16:09.402 --> 0:16:12.202 Can we do it? And you know, if the answer 0:16:12.242 --> 0:16:15.002 is no, we don't do it. Regardless, even if the 0:16:15.002 --> 0:16:17.362 president says I want you to do something, and I 0:16:17.362 --> 0:16:19.802 think this is one of Trump's problems, He's like, I 0:16:19.842 --> 0:16:22.482 give an order, nobody carries it out like because they're like, 0:16:22.682 --> 0:16:25.842 maybe it's against the law, or maybe it's against the rules, 0:16:25.882 --> 0:16:28.362 are maybe it's unethical. People won't do it. So no, 0:16:29.282 --> 0:16:32.162 these were CIA and as least as bad as it 0:16:32.242 --> 0:16:35.522 is now. Nope, the only thing I think you'll find 0:16:35.642 --> 0:16:39.402 is people of goodwill will basically say I'm just gonna 0:16:39.482 --> 0:16:41.762 like keep my head down and try to wait out 0:16:41.842 --> 0:16:44.002 four years and I'll do what I need to do. 0:16:44.122 --> 0:16:45.802 But no, the answer is no. 0:16:46.522 --> 0:16:48.922 Even on that last note you said, I remember thinking 0:16:48.962 --> 0:16:52.042 the first time around the first Trump administraction, pey were like, 0:16:52.082 --> 0:16:54.402 this guy's in charge of the nukes. That's terrifying, And 0:16:54.442 --> 0:16:58.522 I was like, surely there's people around high high levels 0:16:58.522 --> 0:17:00.002 in the military and stuff. I've got to have been 0:17:00.002 --> 0:17:02.562 there for a long time. They're legit, they're not insane, 0:17:02.602 --> 0:17:05.602 and hopefully they would be able to keep something truly 0:17:05.682 --> 0:17:08.522 wild like that from happening. And I feel like after 0:17:08.601 --> 0:17:11.442 the first administration, you got we've got reports during like 0:17:11.561 --> 0:17:13.642 January sixth, committees and all that of the white things 0:17:13.682 --> 0:17:15.921 were inside at the time, and seemed like that was 0:17:16.002 --> 0:17:17.881 sort of the case. They had. It broke down and 0:17:17.922 --> 0:17:20.562 like there was team Saying and team crazy, and it's 0:17:20.602 --> 0:17:23.922 like the same like longtime bureaucrats who were like actually 0:17:23.922 --> 0:17:26.762 reasonable people were trying hard every day to keep Team 0:17:26.802 --> 0:17:28.722 Crazy from doing a bunch of crazy shit, And that's 0:17:28.762 --> 0:17:31.202 really what was happening behind the scenes the first time around, 0:17:31.202 --> 0:17:32.842 and it's like part of the whole plan this time 0:17:32.882 --> 0:17:35.722 around is to not have any of the same people there. 0:17:36.082 --> 0:17:38.642 And so you know, you said, you were saying people 0:17:38.642 --> 0:17:39.882 have been there a long time and are not down 0:17:39.922 --> 0:17:41.482 with all this, just like keep their head down. But 0:17:41.522 --> 0:17:42.962 do you think there's because I used to work for 0:17:42.962 --> 0:17:44.561 I used to work for the Department of Energy, and 0:17:44.602 --> 0:17:46.682 I was just like a pencil pusher at the desk. 0:17:46.802 --> 0:17:48.802 But I that's another thing I used to think because 0:17:49.042 --> 0:17:52.522 I worked my whole time in twenty ten to two thousand, 0:17:52.762 --> 0:17:55.202 middle of twenty sixteen, six and a half years I was. 0:17:55.242 --> 0:17:58.922 That was all Obama administration, So the Secretary of the 0:17:58.962 --> 0:18:01.361 DOE was like the head of Physics and Energy at MIT. 0:18:02.002 --> 0:18:04.002 And then after I left and Trump came in, it 0:18:04.042 --> 0:18:06.202 was fucking Rick Perry right, who couldn't even remember the 0:18:06.242 --> 0:18:08.282 name of the agency. And that was that was all 0:18:08.322 --> 0:18:10.361 freaking me out. But because I'd worked there, I was 0:18:10.402 --> 0:18:13.722 like I knew. I was like that people doing the 0:18:13.762 --> 0:18:18.202 things there every day are long there like life first. 0:18:18.242 --> 0:18:19.762 There are people that have been working for the DA 0:18:20.002 --> 0:18:22.122 for a long, long time through all kinds of different 0:18:22.162 --> 0:18:26.482 administrations with different politics, and they keep the mission going 0:18:26.522 --> 0:18:28.121 and the try and running on time and all that. 0:18:28.242 --> 0:18:30.482 So it's even with all this craziness, those people all 0:18:30.482 --> 0:18:33.642 still be there and that's the thing that gives me comfort. 0:18:33.682 --> 0:18:35.202 But again, what they're part of what they're doing right 0:18:35.202 --> 0:18:38.002 now is they're excising a lot of that. They're seeming to. 0:18:39.682 --> 0:18:40.762 All right, let's take a break. 0:18:40.842 --> 0:18:51.522 We'll be right back. So John and I John speak 0:18:51.562 --> 0:18:54.482 for herself, but he's worked against Russia, the Soviet Union, 0:18:54.722 --> 0:18:57.082 and you know, I've done a lot of time counterterrorism 0:18:57.122 --> 0:18:59.962 and spent time in rock Afghanistan pushing back against like 0:19:00.282 --> 0:19:04.242 really some evil ideologies and some nasty people. But if 0:19:04.522 --> 0:19:08.082 Trump comes along and says this isn't like, this isn't 0:19:08.082 --> 0:19:11.122 crazy anymore. He says, I want us to, I want 0:19:11.202 --> 0:19:15.962 you say, work against our real enemies, Canada. And then 0:19:16.642 --> 0:19:19.602 I guess it's not illegal to learn operations against the 0:19:19.682 --> 0:19:23.162 Native li. I mean, it would be stupid and unethical 0:19:23.242 --> 0:19:27.082 and foolish and short sighted, but I think they'd find 0:19:27.082 --> 0:19:28.722 a couple of people who do it, and a couple 0:19:28.762 --> 0:19:30.762 of people who Yeah, if you make me do it, 0:19:30.802 --> 0:19:32.682 I'll do a shitty job. I don't know, Jock, what 0:19:32.682 --> 0:19:33.282 do you think. 0:19:33.242 --> 0:19:35.042 I would get that question a lot of time when 0:19:35.082 --> 0:19:36.561 you guys gonna come in and take care of this 0:19:36.642 --> 0:19:39.202 kind of thing. You see, hey, guys, and essentially you 0:19:39.242 --> 0:19:41.042 have experienced in Dee. It's the same thing. 0:19:41.162 --> 0:19:41.602 People are. 0:19:41.602 --> 0:19:43.922 Our public servants are focused on their mission, which is 0:19:43.962 --> 0:19:48.722 collecting foreign intelligence, where we're not focused on domestic politics 0:19:48.722 --> 0:19:51.122 and try it. In fact, we're very much inculcated to 0:19:51.162 --> 0:19:53.361 stay away from the you know, you don't want a 0:19:53.362 --> 0:19:56.482 powerful agency that steals thing and does things like that 0:19:56.802 --> 0:19:59.602 working domestically, right, and so we'll pretty much stay out 0:19:59.602 --> 0:20:02.962 of domestic politics. So what Jerry said first is most 0:20:03.002 --> 0:20:06.202 likely is there isn't really a means for people to 0:20:06.282 --> 0:20:08.682 step in or do something or stop something. You know, 0:20:08.802 --> 0:20:11.722 half the country it most would blame them for getting 0:20:11.722 --> 0:20:14.202 involved in something they shouldn't get involved in. But like 0:20:14.242 --> 0:20:16.202 Jerry said too, most people going to focus on trying 0:20:16.242 --> 0:20:18.722 to do their job or keep their head down, or 0:20:19.202 --> 0:20:22.002 if they do give these kind of orders that are crazy, 0:20:22.402 --> 0:20:25.122 a certain percentage of people will quit. Another group will 0:20:25.162 --> 0:20:27.202 try to explain is best and try the best they 0:20:27.282 --> 0:20:29.802 can to push back and explain and some of them 0:20:29.842 --> 0:20:32.042 will get fired, and then there'll be a small group 0:20:32.082 --> 0:20:33.962 of people who will do it and probably do it poorly. 0:20:34.842 --> 0:20:37.522 And then maybe if Trump's in long enough, he'll bring 0:20:37.562 --> 0:20:39.682 in enough todies to try to come in and do it. 0:20:39.682 --> 0:20:43.162 But it's a very difficult job to just do on 0:20:43.242 --> 0:20:45.722 the fly. It takes a long time to go through 0:20:45.762 --> 0:20:48.161 training and get experience and get languages and learn how 0:20:48.202 --> 0:20:50.322 to do these things. I mean, he'll be dead long 0:20:50.402 --> 0:20:53.002 before anybody he brings in from the outside is trained 0:20:53.042 --> 0:20:57.642 and ready to do this effectively. So possibly Justice Department, 0:20:57.762 --> 0:21:00.642 possibly in the courts, possibly an FBI. At some point 0:21:00.682 --> 0:21:03.321 there'll be a group of people who can more effectively 0:21:03.322 --> 0:21:05.962 push back, but it's pushed back, probably trying their best 0:21:06.002 --> 0:21:07.601 to explain what's happening. 0:21:07.402 --> 0:21:09.922 Is illegal, right from the Republican Party, from his own ail. 0:21:10.042 --> 0:21:12.642 Yes, Congress is where it's supposed to happen. 0:21:12.722 --> 0:21:15.361 Yeah, the rest the great answer. Yeah. Other thing I 0:21:15.402 --> 0:21:17.202 was thinking just because this week he had a new 0:21:17.202 --> 0:21:20.842 executive order. Basically it was like, you know, expanding executive 0:21:20.842 --> 0:21:23.922 authority even further and basically telling the courts like, actually, 0:21:23.962 --> 0:21:26.082 we're we're the ones who are gonna interpret the law 0:21:26.122 --> 0:21:28.242 and it's like, you know, even though the constitution like 0:21:28.322 --> 0:21:30.882 says that's what judicial branch is for. And he's like, 0:21:31.002 --> 0:21:33.682 now we're not really doing that whole constitution thing anymore. 0:21:33.722 --> 0:21:36.922 But but I was thinking because of that, I was like, 0:21:36.962 --> 0:21:41.482 it's wild that that's the idea, that one thing, like 0:21:41.882 --> 0:21:45.682 an example, something is completely bipotterson and just unquestioned my 0:21:45.722 --> 0:21:49.002 whole life until recently. Was that, like, you know, checks 0:21:49.002 --> 0:21:51.402 and balances, which is the thing you get told over 0:21:51.442 --> 0:21:52.962 and over again as a kid growing up in this country. 0:21:52.962 --> 0:21:54.561 It's like one of the principles were founded on is 0:21:54.562 --> 0:21:57.081 the idea of checks and balances, and that that is 0:21:57.282 --> 0:22:01.882 good right whoever it has the power at any given time. 0:22:01.962 --> 0:22:05.362 The fact that we have that is a good thing, right. 0:22:05.562 --> 0:22:08.802 And that's one of those types of things, like fundamental 0:22:08.842 --> 0:22:12.722 precepts that I just never thought I would see questioned 0:22:12.722 --> 0:22:17.082 by anybody like regular people. I mean, And now they're 0:22:17.082 --> 0:22:20.242 actively trying to dismantle checks amounts and they're being cheered 0:22:20.282 --> 0:22:23.161 on for it, and that's it's all just it's all 0:22:23.162 --> 0:22:25.802 pretty wild. But since you asked me that question, the 0:22:25.842 --> 0:22:28.162 two that I thought of, what's the deal with the 0:22:28.162 --> 0:22:32.082 weather machine? Right? Who actually controls that, and uh, why 0:22:32.082 --> 0:22:33.922 didn't they send to her kind of put the fires 0:22:33.922 --> 0:22:35.842 out in LA when we had that problem out here, 0:22:36.442 --> 0:22:38.802 because it's this is liberal haven out here, so you'd 0:22:38.802 --> 0:22:40.922 think they want to take care of us. And then uh, 0:22:40.962 --> 0:22:43.121 and then what's the real story with COVID. What were 0:22:43.122 --> 0:22:46.242 you guys really doing there trying to put five G 0:22:46.362 --> 0:22:50.042 and everybody? Or were sterilized smart people? I don't know. 0:22:50.402 --> 0:22:52.402 I had retired, so we can't be blamed for either 0:22:52.442 --> 0:22:52.682 of those. 0:22:52.762 --> 0:22:53.002 Yeah. 0:22:53.042 --> 0:22:56.321 So yeah, the conspiracy crazies, they've got their team in 0:22:56.362 --> 0:22:59.242 there now, all the people Lodgerie, Taylor Green her parties 0:22:59.242 --> 0:23:03.522 are in it. It's time to expose the Jewish space laser, right, 0:23:03.562 --> 0:23:07.002 I mean they yes, Well, now let's wheel out, get 0:23:07.002 --> 0:23:09.922 the gurneyes out, and wheel out the aliens that the 0:23:09.962 --> 0:23:13.042 CIA has hit all this time. Right, Let's do the 0:23:13.122 --> 0:23:14.282 Kennedy assassination. 0:23:15.002 --> 0:23:17.722 Still his people in charge, they can do all that. 0:23:17.802 --> 0:23:19.602 So yeah, let's bring it all out there. 0:23:19.682 --> 0:23:21.642 Let's show everybody to find out there's nothing there. 0:23:22.242 --> 0:23:24.202 But they still That's another thing that I don't get 0:23:24.322 --> 0:23:26.522 is like I was just in Kentucky doing shows and 0:23:26.562 --> 0:23:29.162 it was flooding there at the time I saw people, 0:23:29.562 --> 0:23:31.402 some of these people, like on Twitter, they were talking 0:23:31.402 --> 0:23:34.802 about so Elin had been saying, you know, we need 0:23:34.802 --> 0:23:38.682 to audit Fort Knox, right, because we don't even know 0:23:38.682 --> 0:23:41.162 if all that gold is there anymore. It could be 0:23:41.242 --> 0:23:44.042 just standing empty, who knows, you know. And it's like 0:23:44.082 --> 0:23:46.442 my buddy pointed out, He's like, well, if it's been 0:23:46.482 --> 0:23:49.401 empty for a while, that feels like that's been fine. 0:23:49.722 --> 0:23:53.321 Like it's like, I don't like it hasn't really affected. 0:23:54.122 --> 0:23:55.722 We don't know this, We don't know that. What they're 0:23:55.762 --> 0:23:57.882 saying is that they don't know. They went for the government. 0:23:58.002 --> 0:23:59.962 They actually do know if they ask people. 0:24:00.122 --> 0:24:01.602 So they had been saying that we need to audit 0:24:01.642 --> 0:24:04.042 Fort Knox and these people, and it caught up at 0:24:04.202 --> 0:24:06.002 a little traction on like Twitter and stuff between the 0:24:06.042 --> 0:24:09.282 conspiracy theories are like very funny that they're talking about 0:24:09.282 --> 0:24:11.842 auditing Fort Knox and all of a sudden it's flooding there. 0:24:11.962 --> 0:24:14.362 And it's because they're saying, you know, they we employed 0:24:14.362 --> 0:24:18.401 their machine again and mild things like okay, but that 0:24:18.562 --> 0:24:21.042 I thought that was like a Biden administration deep like 0:24:21.202 --> 0:24:24.202 they you guys have taken care of that, haven't you, 0:24:24.522 --> 0:24:28.361 Like you won you've pushed those people out right, So 0:24:28.762 --> 0:24:30.402 where are they? What are they doing that? There's some 0:24:30.562 --> 0:24:31.561 like secret. 0:24:31.602 --> 0:24:33.321 There's always got to be an enemy. So I have 0:24:33.322 --> 0:24:36.202 a question for you, Tray, do you get threats? There 0:24:36.242 --> 0:24:39.202 was recently a Vanity Fair article called They're Scared Shitless, 0:24:39.242 --> 0:24:42.482 and it talked about how North Carolina Senator Tom Tillis, 0:24:42.802 --> 0:24:44.922 who was claiming that he was going to vote against 0:24:44.962 --> 0:24:48.282 Pete Haygesith for Secretary of Defense, that the FBI went 0:24:48.322 --> 0:24:50.442 to and warned him about a series of credible death 0:24:50.442 --> 0:24:52.442 threats against him because he was going to vote against 0:24:52.682 --> 0:24:56.602 the presidents. Now me, do you get threats from people 0:24:56.602 --> 0:24:57.722 who really don't like what you're doing? 0:24:57.882 --> 0:24:59.762 Early on, when I first popped, first became a thing, 0:24:59.762 --> 0:25:01.522 and I was kind of all over the place briefly, 0:25:01.602 --> 0:25:04.042 like on the Internet, I got a lot of messages 0:25:04.082 --> 0:25:06.642 from people and dms and stuff that a lot of 0:25:06.642 --> 0:25:08.842 them are just like Colin at gay in various ways 0:25:08.882 --> 0:25:11.722 or whatever, or having conspiracy theories about me. It's like 0:25:12.282 --> 0:25:16.401 I'm a secret Jewish actor from New York who's been 0:25:16.442 --> 0:25:21.602 installed by the Obama administration to like propagate liberal propaganda 0:25:21.642 --> 0:25:24.442 in rural America. Right. That was a conspiracy theory, so 0:25:24.882 --> 0:25:27.442 stuff like that. But I would get some that were 0:25:27.482 --> 0:25:31.202 like threatening violence, you know, and however, ways, and I 0:25:31.282 --> 0:25:32.842 got a few death threats and that type of thing, 0:25:32.882 --> 0:25:35.722 but they were like here and there, and I mostly 0:25:35.802 --> 0:25:38.562 just like laughed them off or ignored it. Over the years, 0:25:38.642 --> 0:25:41.202 they've gotten much less and less because those people are 0:25:41.242 --> 0:25:44.842 not generally what you know, their algorithms, not showing them 0:25:44.882 --> 0:25:47.082 my stuff. For the most part, it's mostly just it'll 0:25:47.082 --> 0:25:50.601 be hateful comments or whatever. And I have known people 0:25:51.082 --> 0:25:54.722 who are like, don't have as large of a following 0:25:54.802 --> 0:25:57.522 as me, but have gotten on the radar of some 0:25:57.642 --> 0:26:01.162 of these guys. Right, I don't know how or why 0:26:01.282 --> 0:26:04.282 I have not gotten that kind of attention so far. 0:26:05.402 --> 0:26:08.121 I'm maybe I'm just again, I'm just either not on 0:26:08.162 --> 0:26:12.361 their radar or they don't. They think I'm just a 0:26:12.442 --> 0:26:15.321 silly thing that's not serious, which is fine with me 0:26:15.402 --> 0:26:18.522 because I am a comedian. So I ask myself sometimes 0:26:18.522 --> 0:26:21.121 like if that does happen, if I start getting that 0:26:21.202 --> 0:26:22.922 type of attention the way you hear all these stories 0:26:22.922 --> 0:26:25.082 about all the time, what am I gonna do? Because 0:26:25.122 --> 0:26:27.561 like I said, I am married, I do have kids, 0:26:27.562 --> 0:26:29.802 and it would you know, that shit would be freaky. 0:26:29.882 --> 0:26:31.762 I'm not you know, you were about these people, even 0:26:31.802 --> 0:26:34.402 that one guy, like even people on their side like that, 0:26:34.402 --> 0:26:36.121 that guy who was like a big he was like 0:26:36.162 --> 0:26:39.842 a big sort of leader in the process of January sixth, 0:26:39.922 --> 0:26:41.762 on the day of and then later they decided that 0:26:41.802 --> 0:26:43.962 he actually was one of your people who worked for 0:26:44.002 --> 0:26:47.321 the deep state. Right then he was installed there and 0:26:47.362 --> 0:26:50.561 this guy here maga and loves Trump. They just decided 0:26:50.602 --> 0:26:52.442 he was that secret deep state. And then he had 0:26:52.442 --> 0:26:54.602 to like go into hiding and shit with his wife 0:26:54.682 --> 0:26:56.802 and like leave there out because of you know, the 0:26:56.842 --> 0:27:00.522 threats they were getting, how harassed they got. So it's like, yeah, 0:27:00.562 --> 0:27:02.282 I don't know, it's like a list you get you 0:27:02.402 --> 0:27:04.561 find yourself on at some point and they'll like do 0:27:04.602 --> 0:27:07.802 everything they can to make your life hell. And thankfully 0:27:07.802 --> 0:27:10.242 that hasn't happened to me yet and I'm hoping obviously 0:27:10.282 --> 0:27:11.162 that it doesn't. 0:27:11.482 --> 0:27:14.081 Is Trump good for you? So I've got friends who 0:27:14.082 --> 0:27:15.882 are journalists. Now I never hit when it was on 0:27:15.922 --> 0:27:19.042 the inside, and after their third drink, they'll say, at 0:27:19.122 --> 0:27:23.202 least people are like animated now Trump hate and releiveled, 0:27:23.282 --> 0:27:25.922 but it's he's an animating character, and he's like in 0:27:26.002 --> 0:27:28.922 the headlines all the time, and he's journalists are building 0:27:29.002 --> 0:27:32.522 their careers off of either opposing him or digging shit 0:27:32.642 --> 0:27:36.682 up or lick spittling him and praising him. So, well, 0:27:36.722 --> 0:27:41.082 how do you see you yourself in this in this biasphere? 0:27:41.202 --> 0:27:43.162 Yeah, people were bringing it up to me too or 0:27:43.162 --> 0:27:45.121 asking me about that the first time around, also in 0:27:45.162 --> 0:27:47.081 twenty sixteen. That's like what I said then and not 0:27:47.162 --> 0:27:49.202 think it's still true this time around too. Is like 0:27:49.762 --> 0:27:51.802 I would as somebody who lives in this country and 0:27:51.882 --> 0:27:54.881 has kids and all this stuff, like it's this is 0:27:54.922 --> 0:27:58.242 not worth it to me, But it would be disingenuous 0:27:58.242 --> 0:28:02.682 of me to not acknowledge that this probably is like 0:28:02.962 --> 0:28:06.601 a quote unquote good thing for me professionally considering what 0:28:06.682 --> 0:28:09.802 I do, Like I probably do benefit from this ultimately, 0:28:10.042 --> 0:28:12.522 and did the first time round as well. But on 0:28:12.562 --> 0:28:15.882 the other hand, in the run up went Biden twenty 0:28:15.882 --> 0:28:18.442 and everything, everybody naively thought, you know, now that all 0:28:18.482 --> 0:28:21.402 that's over forever, what are you know? What are you 0:28:21.442 --> 0:28:23.042 what are you gonna do now? What are you gonna talk? 0:28:23.082 --> 0:28:25.682 When I was always like, it'll be fine. I've been 0:28:25.722 --> 0:28:28.842 this country long enough to know, especially now at this point, 0:28:28.962 --> 0:28:32.842 there's always gonna be dumb shit happening that it needs 0:28:32.882 --> 0:28:35.202 to be made fun of, regardless of who's in charge. 0:28:35.202 --> 0:28:37.202 So I think I'll be fine. And I was. I mean, 0:28:37.242 --> 0:28:39.242 I had, you know, I was in I didn't like 0:28:39.362 --> 0:28:41.562 go back to my old job during the Biden administration, 0:28:41.722 --> 0:28:43.882 just crawl back out of my internet hole when Trump 0:28:43.962 --> 0:28:46.402 got reelected, like I was still doing it all the 0:28:46.642 --> 0:28:49.402 that whole time. But now, but yeah, it's been you know, 0:28:50.282 --> 0:28:53.482 my numbers will have gone up recently and probably will 0:28:53.482 --> 0:28:56.242 continue to do so, and that means ticket sales and 0:28:56.282 --> 0:28:58.842 all that stuff, probably, and it's because of you know, 0:28:59.402 --> 0:29:01.922 the current state of things politically. But again, if I 0:29:01.962 --> 0:29:06.362 could snap my fingers and be doing somewhat less well 0:29:06.442 --> 0:29:08.962 but feel better about the future of the country, I 0:29:08.962 --> 0:29:11.602 would take that trade in a heartbeat. But yeah, it 0:29:11.642 --> 0:29:14.242 probably does help me a little bit for now up 0:29:14.362 --> 0:29:18.842 until a point like when the like Water Wars starts 0:29:19.002 --> 0:29:21.722 or whatever, or I don't know, people are gonna going 0:29:21.722 --> 0:29:24.882 to comedy shows in the after times or during the 0:29:24.922 --> 0:29:28.562 Second Civil War or whatever, so we'll see. I had 0:29:29.002 --> 0:29:33.482 thought and planned that if Harris Wallas had won, my 0:29:33.682 --> 0:29:38.722 plan was to gradually drift away from heavy politics stuff 0:29:38.722 --> 0:29:41.282 into more just regular stand up clips, and I even 0:29:41.322 --> 0:29:43.922 started making like cooking videos and stuff like that, just 0:29:43.962 --> 0:29:46.682 it's like regular funny stuff and not have to talk 0:29:46.722 --> 0:29:49.082 about politics all the time. Because I've been thinking, if 0:29:49.122 --> 0:29:50.882 they had won, then maybe we can all try to 0:29:50.922 --> 0:29:53.402 put some of this behind us as a people. Obviously 0:29:53.482 --> 0:29:56.282 didn't work out that way, and when when that, when 0:29:56.322 --> 0:29:58.162 what happened happened, I was like, well, Okay, I guess 0:29:58.162 --> 0:30:00.762 I'm still doing my thing for a while. 0:30:02.722 --> 0:30:04.762 It's cause perception. We'll be right back. 0:30:14.122 --> 0:30:16.802 Talking about theories. Do you think there's a greater tendency 0:30:16.842 --> 0:30:20.682 towards conspiracy theories on the right wing or in rural communities. 0:30:21.002 --> 0:30:23.482 And one of the things that leads me to ask 0:30:23.562 --> 0:30:26.682 that is I recall a few years ago there was 0:30:26.722 --> 0:30:30.282 a journalist that had been coming back from covering civil 0:30:30.322 --> 0:30:32.562 wars and poverty in the Third World for a long time, 0:30:33.162 --> 0:30:35.802 and he was getting interviewed one of these podcasts, New 0:30:35.882 --> 0:30:38.202 York Times podcasts, and they asked him, do you see 0:30:38.642 --> 0:30:40.522 a similar breakdown here that's going to lead to a 0:30:40.522 --> 0:30:43.002 civil war or whatever? And I was expecting to say, oh, yes, 0:30:43.082 --> 0:30:45.682 and he said no, because in the places where he 0:30:45.882 --> 0:30:49.242 was they had real problems, like they were really poor, 0:30:49.322 --> 0:30:51.842 they couldn't eat, they were actually killing each other, and 0:30:51.922 --> 0:30:54.802 here it seems like it's middle class, board white guys. 0:30:54.922 --> 0:30:58.322 So do you think there's a regional piece to this 0:30:58.682 --> 0:31:01.402 or a rural piece to this, or what is it? 0:31:01.922 --> 0:31:04.522 Well, first of all, the thing that that journalist said 0:31:04.642 --> 0:31:06.602 is like a version of a thing that I like 0:31:06.682 --> 0:31:08.562 try to tell myself to sleep at night or whatever. 0:31:08.682 --> 0:31:11.002 So I've heard other people say it to Americans don't 0:31:11.082 --> 0:31:14.162 really realize how we look around and like, oh god, 0:31:14.202 --> 0:31:16.722 the sky's fall, this is horrible and everything, and it's like, 0:31:16.762 --> 0:31:19.642 as compared to a lot so many places in the 0:31:19.682 --> 0:31:21.122 world and the shit that goes on there, it's like 0:31:21.242 --> 0:31:25.402 it's still it's still pretty nice here, you know, and 0:31:25.602 --> 0:31:27.162 we don't know how good we got it. And I 0:31:27.202 --> 0:31:30.922 try to remind myself of that. But I didn't. I 0:31:31.002 --> 0:31:33.722 would not used to. I would not have thought that 0:31:34.242 --> 0:31:37.642 it necessarily was the right leaning thing. Conspiracy theories. It's like, 0:31:37.682 --> 0:31:39.522 that's one thing I've lamented is like I used to, 0:31:39.522 --> 0:31:42.482 I was ever really into them. I've always liked aliens 0:31:42.522 --> 0:31:44.602 and stuff and UFO stuff and that type of thing. 0:31:45.322 --> 0:31:49.442 I like Oliver Stone's JFK movie and listening to podcasts 0:31:49.482 --> 0:31:52.122 about that stuff and whatever else, And it was always 0:31:52.202 --> 0:31:55.042 kind of a silly, fun thing to me, conspiracy theories. 0:31:55.082 --> 0:31:55.282 You know. 0:31:55.402 --> 0:31:57.602 I smoked a little bit too much weed one time 0:31:57.642 --> 0:31:59.722 in college and watched the wrong YouTube video and for 0:31:59.722 --> 0:32:01.482 a couple hours after that, I was like, Damn Bush 0:32:01.482 --> 0:32:03.482 did nine to eleven, you know, like that type of thing. 0:32:03.522 --> 0:32:05.962 Then I shook it off later, but and like that's 0:32:05.962 --> 0:32:09.442 another good example. I feel like that was a the whole, 0:32:09.482 --> 0:32:11.442 like nine to eleven being an inside job and something 0:32:11.482 --> 0:32:14.602 that Bush did, like that conspiracy theory that was there 0:32:14.682 --> 0:32:17.722 was any of people on the left tour all about 0:32:17.762 --> 0:32:20.722 that because it was an anti Bush thing. So no 0:32:21.202 --> 0:32:24.682 used to know. But now I feel like it's undeniable 0:32:24.842 --> 0:32:27.682 that it's like right wing coded, And I think it's 0:32:27.722 --> 0:32:30.482 a combination of things where it's like the rise of 0:32:30.682 --> 0:32:34.122 QAnon and it begetting as big and mainstream as it did, 0:32:34.162 --> 0:32:38.962 and it kind of becoming like intrinsically linked with MAGA 0:32:39.002 --> 0:32:42.082 and Trump and the right, and also how all encompassing 0:32:42.162 --> 0:32:44.722 it is. It's like it will wrap up anything into itself, 0:32:44.762 --> 0:32:45.762 you know what I mean. It's like any kind of 0:32:45.802 --> 0:32:48.202 conspiracy theory can get connected back to this larger one 0:32:48.242 --> 0:32:50.402 type thing and it and there it's people on the 0:32:50.482 --> 0:32:53.562 right largely. And then uh, and then I think a 0:32:53.562 --> 0:32:56.962 lot of like pied type stuff, you know, Like I'm 0:32:57.002 --> 0:33:00.042 not not blaming things on Joe Rogan, but I'm saying 0:33:00.122 --> 0:33:04.322 like that what realm of influence is tied to get 0:33:04.362 --> 0:33:06.362 you know, again, like early Joe Rogan and that there's 0:33:06.402 --> 0:33:09.122 like a crossover. He loved talking about conspiracy theories and 0:33:09.122 --> 0:33:11.282 aliens and all that shit that's used to be mostly 0:33:11.322 --> 0:33:13.642 all of what he did. And then you can see 0:33:13.642 --> 0:33:16.242 how they've got it's gotten mixed together with the politics 0:33:16.242 --> 0:33:18.202 of the right over the years, just by looking at 0:33:18.242 --> 0:33:20.682 his show as like a case study or an example. 0:33:21.122 --> 0:33:23.402 And that sucks because like some again, sometimes I could 0:33:23.402 --> 0:33:25.522 think they're fun, right, but I don't want to be 0:33:26.362 --> 0:33:29.522 even jokingly part of the current version of the world 0:33:29.522 --> 0:33:33.722 of conspiracy theories. It's just another thing that's been co 0:33:33.802 --> 0:33:36.362 opted and ruined by the far right. As far as 0:33:36.402 --> 0:33:38.682 I'm concerned, we used to have fun with conspiracy theories 0:33:38.682 --> 0:33:40.362 in this country and now they're dangerous. 0:33:40.482 --> 0:33:43.202 But yeah, yeah, in high school, there was like who 0:33:43.282 --> 0:33:46.562 really built the pyramids or space aliens? And you know, 0:33:46.562 --> 0:33:48.842 you can enjoy that on any any part of the 0:33:48.842 --> 0:33:51.762 political spectrum. But one of my things that I'm sort 0:33:51.762 --> 0:33:54.202 of gobsfick and still dealing with. But it was like 0:33:54.722 --> 0:33:56.682 where I come from, I think where you do too, 0:33:56.722 --> 0:33:59.402 you know, sort of like a small town, the military 0:33:59.642 --> 0:34:02.162 was always sacred, sinct. It was also a place where 0:34:02.242 --> 0:34:03.762 kids coming out of high school, we can get a 0:34:03.922 --> 0:34:05.842 job and you can see the world. You can make 0:34:05.882 --> 0:34:08.522 something of yourself with a we had a pickle plan 0:34:08.602 --> 0:34:11.122 in town, right and it closed down, and kodaks like, 0:34:11.362 --> 0:34:13.842 you can always join the Marines, right, yes, yes, and 0:34:13.882 --> 0:34:15.761 a lot of people did. And if you didn't go 0:34:15.761 --> 0:34:19.001 to college. So with with the right now with Trump, 0:34:19.122 --> 0:34:22.201 what they've broken is really the military isn't sac or 0:34:22.201 --> 0:34:25.402 saint anymore. When Trump got up and said that John 0:34:25.522 --> 0:34:30.682 McKay is a fucking loser, freaking being held and tortured 0:34:30.682 --> 0:34:34.482 by the North Vietnamese, and people bought that, and people 0:34:34.522 --> 0:34:36.761 bought that in my tone too. You know, Trump's saying 0:34:36.802 --> 0:34:39.482 that generals are stupid and the military of a bunch 0:34:39.522 --> 0:34:42.241 of pussies. Right, what's your sense of like where you 0:34:42.362 --> 0:34:46.522 come from, is the military not being held in high 0:34:46.562 --> 0:34:49.681 regard anymore. I thought that was the bedrock thing me too. 0:34:49.842 --> 0:34:52.321 Yeah, it's nothing like I was saying earlier about checks 0:34:52.322 --> 0:34:54.201 and balances or whatever. The military is the type of 0:34:54.282 --> 0:34:56.841 thing that I thought would not everybody called into quest. 0:34:56.882 --> 0:34:58.602 That was one of the craziest things that I ever 0:34:58.682 --> 0:35:00.402 saw Trump do, is when he did the things like 0:35:00.442 --> 0:35:02.881 you're talking about. He got caught calling you know, dead 0:35:02.922 --> 0:35:04.922 soldiers losers and all this type of shit he's done 0:35:04.922 --> 0:35:07.161 over the years. It's like, I can't believe that this 0:35:07.282 --> 0:35:09.002 is okay with everybody, because that was like the one 0:35:09.042 --> 0:35:11.602 thing you could never ever do. And it's all this 0:35:11.722 --> 0:35:14.402 dose stuff. And they've just recently started talking about, oh, 0:35:14.402 --> 0:35:16.522 they're actually going to cut some of the defense budget. 0:35:16.602 --> 0:35:18.442 And this part is hard for me because I've spent 0:35:18.722 --> 0:35:21.362 years being like, we should cut some of the defense, 0:35:22.202 --> 0:35:23.642 Like for most of my life it's like, God, I 0:35:23.642 --> 0:35:25.522 really wish we could cut some of the defense budget 0:35:25.522 --> 0:35:27.882 and focus more on space travel and going to Mars. 0:35:27.922 --> 0:35:30.602 And it's like without the monkey's Paul curls, right, this 0:35:30.762 --> 0:35:33.402 is the version of the world that's happening. But I 0:35:33.442 --> 0:35:35.722 think it's like, I don't know for sure, but I 0:35:35.762 --> 0:35:38.681 think it's like they still have an idea, an idealized 0:35:38.762 --> 0:35:41.322 version of the military that is sacro sanct in their head. 0:35:41.362 --> 0:35:43.842 And it's like they think that the present day military, 0:35:43.962 --> 0:35:46.522 like so many things, has been like co opted and 0:35:46.602 --> 0:35:49.841 ruined by like wokeism and dei stuff and that type 0:35:49.882 --> 0:35:51.681 of thing, or you know, the military is like gone 0:35:51.722 --> 0:35:54.881 woke with military leadership. So the military has lost its way, 0:35:55.282 --> 0:35:58.801 I think and gotten all woke and shit is how 0:35:58.842 --> 0:36:01.562 they justify being anti military right now. And it's like 0:36:01.602 --> 0:36:05.682 they just they want to they the real American military 0:36:05.722 --> 0:36:08.482 that they like, remember, it's like it's still attainable and 0:36:08.522 --> 0:36:11.362 that's still like the gold standard and it is sacro 0:36:11.522 --> 0:36:15.322 sanc but it's just been bastardized in the current version 0:36:15.362 --> 0:36:17.122 of it. That's why you can shit all over it 0:36:17.161 --> 0:36:18.482 is because of that. So you got to get it 0:36:18.522 --> 0:36:20.122 back to the old way or something. 0:36:20.282 --> 0:36:20.442 Well. 0:36:20.442 --> 0:36:23.042 The next one then is similar, is like how do 0:36:23.122 --> 0:36:25.681 we become pro Russian, like for Christ's sake, Like. 0:36:25.762 --> 0:36:28.442 Yes, that's that one is nuh because again growing up 0:36:28.482 --> 0:36:30.841 here and my whole life, you know, I mean, they're 0:36:30.882 --> 0:36:33.922 the bad guys in every movie and everything. It's like 0:36:33.962 --> 0:36:36.442 the cold war was such it ended when I was 0:36:36.482 --> 0:36:38.642 like a kid, but it was still just like such 0:36:38.642 --> 0:36:41.562 a huge part of everything, and it's I just never 0:36:41.922 --> 0:36:43.802 I don't know, Uh, it's a big part of Like 0:36:43.842 --> 0:36:46.402 how so many people demonize the left overall apperiod or 0:36:46.442 --> 0:36:48.842 socialism being a dirty word is because they got associated 0:36:48.882 --> 0:36:51.241 with the evils of communism and Soviet Russia and that 0:36:51.282 --> 0:36:53.281 being the enemy and all that, and it was just 0:36:53.282 --> 0:36:56.241 never questioned. It's communism is still evil and socialism by 0:36:56.242 --> 0:37:00.122 proxy and all that. But now Russia's awesome because of 0:37:00.882 --> 0:37:02.522 I don't know, Putin's. 0:37:02.762 --> 0:37:04.882 Yeah, we got to get people to watch Red Dawn again. 0:37:05.002 --> 0:37:05.962 It's the ru Yeah. 0:37:05.962 --> 0:37:07.882 I lived in Russia and I've been working on Russia 0:37:07.922 --> 0:37:10.681 things for a long time and it's not awesome. Yeah, 0:37:10.922 --> 0:37:12.241 but I you know what I think it is. And 0:37:12.282 --> 0:37:14.282 you what's so good about your comedy trade is you 0:37:14.362 --> 0:37:17.122 focus on what has happened I think in this country 0:37:17.242 --> 0:37:21.002 is we've defined our enemies as internal enemies rather than 0:37:21.322 --> 0:37:23.362 external enemies. Like when we grew up, it was like 0:37:23.402 --> 0:37:25.922 there was external enemies and we disagreed with each other, 0:37:25.962 --> 0:37:28.281 but we're on the same side against external I think 0:37:28.282 --> 0:37:30.482 one of the geniuses that Trump picked up on that 0:37:30.562 --> 0:37:33.642 was already out there. Was if I can make Hillary 0:37:33.642 --> 0:37:36.882 Clinton the enemy, then anything I say or do is 0:37:36.922 --> 0:37:39.682 okay because it's attacking that, because they're the real enemy, 0:37:39.722 --> 0:37:41.082 not anybody else. 0:37:41.202 --> 0:37:44.201 So true, what's your favorite conspiracy theory? And I hope 0:37:44.242 --> 0:37:46.241 it has to do with CIA, so we can maybe 0:37:46.322 --> 0:37:47.122 address it for you. 0:37:47.602 --> 0:37:50.841 My definitely the favorite genre of them, at least I guess, 0:37:51.002 --> 0:37:54.882 is all aliens and UFO stuffything from like Rosswelt through 0:37:54.922 --> 0:37:58.242 the drones or whatever, and all the stuff that people say, 0:37:58.282 --> 0:38:01.042 and then we can't talk about any of that, right, See, 0:38:01.161 --> 0:38:05.362 I have aliens in an underground bunker somewhere or alien 0:38:05.402 --> 0:38:07.482 tech or whatever. It's like one of those things where 0:38:07.482 --> 0:38:10.761 it's like, basically, do I think that aliens probably exist 0:38:10.842 --> 0:38:13.362 somewhere in the universe? Yes, mathematically I think that they 0:38:13.402 --> 0:38:15.722 probably do. Do I think that like the drownes in 0:38:15.762 --> 0:38:17.842 New Jersey and shit, or like aliens sur violence or 0:38:17.842 --> 0:38:19.882 any of that stuff. No, I don't. 0:38:20.202 --> 0:38:23.922 There was a senator from Nevada, Reid, who was really 0:38:24.082 --> 0:38:26.842 was obsessed with this for years, obviously at Area fifty 0:38:26.882 --> 0:38:29.322 one is in Nevada and stuff, and so he pushed 0:38:29.362 --> 0:38:31.842 the defense Department and the Intelligence he used to create 0:38:32.402 --> 0:38:35.161 some version of looking at things that we couldn't figure out. 0:38:35.202 --> 0:38:38.642 And there's been a congress variety of hearings and this 0:38:38.682 --> 0:38:40.522 and that, and of course none of it really answers 0:38:40.602 --> 0:38:42.602 any of this. And of course the thing is, every 0:38:42.642 --> 0:38:45.522 time you try to answer these things, it just makes 0:38:45.562 --> 0:38:47.602 people go deeper and say, ah, like they said, hey, 0:38:47.682 --> 0:38:50.802 let out all the JFK stuff, and essentially the intelligence 0:38:50.962 --> 0:38:53.361 just let out all the JFK stuff. But the fact 0:38:53.362 --> 0:38:55.562 there's like two pieces of paper left, they're like, ah, 0:38:55.602 --> 0:38:58.602 that's where the real thing is. You almost can't win 0:38:58.642 --> 0:39:00.402 when you start down this thing. So I think there 0:39:00.442 --> 0:39:04.162 is an office or in the Defense Department and probably 0:39:04.161 --> 0:39:06.681 in the intelligences or that try to do what they 0:39:06.722 --> 0:39:09.681 can to look at things that are unexplainable and see 0:39:09.722 --> 0:39:12.682 if they can't figure things out or if recover things 0:39:12.722 --> 0:39:15.562 that look that way. But in terms of actual alien stuff, 0:39:15.602 --> 0:39:17.361 I spent thirty years in a CIA, and I never 0:39:17.402 --> 0:39:18.562 heard anything but anything. 0:39:19.002 --> 0:39:21.241 We hit an office on this. I think this is big. 0:39:21.322 --> 0:39:23.842 In the seventies and eighties for a while that was 0:39:23.922 --> 0:39:28.362 looking at far seeing and we hired psychics and they 0:39:28.362 --> 0:39:30.281 would sit down and they would sit over a piece 0:39:30.282 --> 0:39:32.082 of paper and drink a coffee and they would like 0:39:32.122 --> 0:39:34.122 sketch something out and they go look for this in 0:39:34.282 --> 0:39:37.682 Atlanta vous stock like a submarine pen. And the only 0:39:37.762 --> 0:39:40.522 reason we had that was because and I can't remember 0:39:40.562 --> 0:39:43.322 was here to read. But there was some influential senator 0:39:43.642 --> 0:39:47.442 who was convinced that this could and he like made 0:39:47.482 --> 0:39:50.161 us do it. He gave us the money. It said, 0:39:50.202 --> 0:39:54.402 fucking do this and it produced nothing. But we're still 0:39:54.442 --> 0:39:57.241 like CIA had an office that did this, Yeah, because 0:39:57.282 --> 0:39:58.721 we were forced to, like. 0:39:59.002 --> 0:40:02.082 It's like mk Ultra, which is in the nineteen fifties, yep. 0:40:02.362 --> 0:40:04.762 There was a concern that we were fighting the Soviet Union, 0:40:04.842 --> 0:40:08.202 and there was all these public TV shows and movies suggests, 0:40:08.402 --> 0:40:10.762 and a number of people had come back from fighting 0:40:10.762 --> 0:40:13.761 in Korea and other places, and it seemed to become brainwashed. 0:40:13.922 --> 0:40:16.122 If you believe communism must because there must have been 0:40:16.122 --> 0:40:19.002 a drug or a brainwashing that the Soviets had figured out. 0:40:19.002 --> 0:40:21.562 And so there was a small place of the CIA 0:40:21.602 --> 0:40:23.602 that was supposed to look into it and test drugs 0:40:23.602 --> 0:40:25.522 and things to see if this thing existed. I think 0:40:25.242 --> 0:40:27.602 they they ruined a lot of people's minds but they 0:40:27.602 --> 0:40:30.281 found out that there was no You could destroy someone's brain, 0:40:30.362 --> 0:40:33.401 but you can't really reprogram it very right. And yeah, 0:40:33.722 --> 0:40:36.042 it was a pretty sad experiment. 0:40:36.082 --> 0:40:38.522 And I have to say, if we just the way 0:40:38.562 --> 0:40:41.002 things work in the real world. So John and I 0:40:41.042 --> 0:40:43.642 are both we've been out for a long time and 0:40:44.002 --> 0:40:47.082 are measley pensions were not poor, but we're certainly not rich. 0:40:47.322 --> 0:40:50.002 We could hit the jackpot if we, like said, I 0:40:50.082 --> 0:40:52.721 know where the aliens are, right, And if there really was, 0:40:53.122 --> 0:40:55.482 why wouldn't people come out afterwards and say it, like, 0:40:55.602 --> 0:40:58.362 you know, just or sneak off to the Washington Post 0:40:58.482 --> 0:41:01.282 or the New York Times or Carlson and go here's yeah, 0:41:01.722 --> 0:41:03.721 the thousands of us, Why wouldn't wanted to know? 0:41:04.161 --> 0:41:06.122 That? Is the mind that because over your I thought 0:41:06.122 --> 0:41:09.681 about I think really like the real conspiracy theory is 0:41:09.722 --> 0:41:12.602 that it's all way more boring than you think it 0:41:12.682 --> 0:41:15.282 is and also less effectual than you think of this 0:41:15.442 --> 0:41:17.042 not as all powerful as a lot of people think 0:41:17.082 --> 0:41:19.241 it is. And they couldn't don't have the capacity to 0:41:19.282 --> 0:41:20.802 do a lot of this stuff that people think that 0:41:20.882 --> 0:41:22.881 has been done. And also, as you just said, it's 0:41:22.922 --> 0:41:25.522 like the whole moonlanding mean faked or whatever like that one. 0:41:25.562 --> 0:41:29.201 It's like the sheer number of people that would have 0:41:29.282 --> 0:41:32.042 to be involved with something like that and never ever 0:41:32.161 --> 0:41:34.962 even up to it, including their deathbed, say a single 0:41:35.042 --> 0:41:37.241 thing about it or leak any information out or whatever. 0:41:37.282 --> 0:41:41.922 And it's like people just people can't do that, you know, 0:41:42.002 --> 0:41:45.562 it's human nature to It's just impossible. You can't keep 0:41:45.562 --> 0:41:48.002 a secret like that with that many people. There's like 0:41:48.002 --> 0:41:50.241 two people maybe can keep a secret, and even when 0:41:50.242 --> 0:41:52.522 the third person gets involved, it's you're in danger of 0:41:52.562 --> 0:41:54.762 it getting out. Let alone thousands of people. 0:41:55.362 --> 0:41:57.962 So yeah, especially in this day and age, he could 0:41:58.002 --> 0:41:59.042 make some good money off of it. 0:41:59.242 --> 0:42:01.361 Yeah. Yeah, they don't stay secret very long. 0:42:01.682 --> 0:42:03.882 It's been so fun to listen to you. I enjoy 0:42:03.922 --> 0:42:06.482 falling on social media and I would suggest that people 0:42:06.482 --> 0:42:09.242 in our audience to look it up Tree Crowder. 0:42:08.922 --> 0:42:11.241 Thank you, Trek Crowder dot com, track Crowder on all 0:42:11.242 --> 0:42:13.122 the socials and yeah, thanks for having me. It's a fun. 0:42:13.161 --> 0:42:16.482 Appreciate Troy is tr Ae, So Troy, thank you very much, 0:42:16.882 --> 0:42:17.962 really really appreciate it. 0:42:18.602 --> 0:42:23.682 Mission Implausible is produced by Adam Davidson, Jerry O'shay, John Seipher, 0:42:23.962 --> 0:42:28.362 and Jonathan Stern. The Associate producer is Rachel Harner. 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