Speaker 1: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry O'Shea. I was a
Speaker 1: CIA officer stationed around the world in high threat posts
Speaker 1: in Europe, Russia, and in Asia.
Speaker 2: And I served in Africa, Asia, Europe, the Middle East
Speaker 2: and in war zones. We sometimes created conspiracies to deceive
Speaker 2: our adversaries.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to use our expertise to deconstruct conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories large and small.
Speaker 2: Could they be true? Or are we being manipulated?
Speaker 1: This is mission implausible. Today's guest is Trey Crowder. He's
Speaker 1: the liberal redneck. He's a comedian with a big following
Speaker 1: on YouTube and social media and the author of several books.
Speaker 1: He's from rural Tennessee, and you can see the dates
Speaker 1: for his nationwide.
Speaker 2: Comedy tour on his website.
Speaker 1: So welcome Trey.
Speaker 3: The website and questions try Crowder dot com. By the way,
Speaker 3: thanks for the Introy, and thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: First question I've had for you is can you explain
Speaker 1: JD Vance?
Speaker 2: No, not really, only a forty minute show.
Speaker 3: I have a weird miniature, Heytory with j D Actually,
Speaker 3: because his I first went viral and started gaining my
Speaker 3: online following that you mentioned in the spring of twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: I had been doing stand up in anonymity for like
Speaker 3: six years already at that point, but then I made
Speaker 3: these videos and they one of them took off really big,
Speaker 3: and then I could just snowball from there, which was great.
Speaker 3: But it started in twenty sixteen and I started going
Speaker 3: all these meetings, Hollywood meetings and stuff like this, and
Speaker 3: people started asking me, oh, you must love have you
Speaker 3: read that new book? Have you read He'll Billy Eligy?
Speaker 3: If you read that, you know about that. And that's
Speaker 3: how I found out about it. And I looked it
Speaker 3: up and they were all any type of remotely fancy
Speaker 3: person intelligentsia or any type of artist to have whether
Speaker 3: they were like salivating over this book, right, they loved it.
Speaker 3: So I found out about that way. And then I
Speaker 3: was like going on TV at the time, like CNN
Speaker 3: and MSNBC and Bill marsh Show and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and usually I was being brought on there relevant to
Speaker 3: the first question you asked to, like explain He'llbilly's to
Speaker 3: people because there was a big narrative of them about
Speaker 3: them Trump. Then that's what happened with Trump is he
Speaker 3: reached these specific people it's like, you're one of these people,
Speaker 3: what's up with that? Explain to us what that's all about.
Speaker 3: And jay D was doing the same thing at the
Speaker 3: same time, and we like met and started talking and stuff.
Speaker 3: He brought his wife, who was pregnant at the time,
Speaker 3: to my comedy show that I did in Columbus. We
Speaker 3: hung out afterwards, went to a bar, hung out for
Speaker 3: a few hours talking about stuff. Now at that time,
Speaker 3: and he was still calling Trump Hitler and everything. So
Speaker 3: I was like, this guy's all right. Stayed in touch
Speaker 3: sort of over the years, a little bit, texting here
Speaker 3: and there, and then as his rise became more evident
Speaker 3: and took the trajectory it did, you know. I haven't
Speaker 3: talked to him forever at this point, But like I
Speaker 3: even when I read the book, though, there were parts
Speaker 3: in it where because we had we do have, if
Speaker 3: everything in the book is to be believed, we have
Speaker 3: a very similar upbringing and background in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: My mom was also a drug addict. I'm from very
Speaker 3: very rural, poverty stricken Tennessee. Now, he would like go there.
Speaker 3: He like grew up in Ohio, really, but he would
Speaker 3: go there in the summers and be immersed in He'll
Speaker 3: billy shit for a while. I was in it all
Speaker 3: the time, not bragging, but uh, and so I definitely
Speaker 3: related to a lot of it. But there were a
Speaker 3: lot of angles he took in that book and things
Speaker 3: that he said that even at the very beginning of
Speaker 3: even knowing who he was, I was like, it just
Speaker 3: struck me odd or weird. I was like, that's I
Speaker 3: don't I'm not down with that. Like one of the
Speaker 3: big ones I remember is here he makes his whole
Speaker 3: case into the book for payday loan places, right about
Speaker 3: how people like demonize those as being predatory, but what
Speaker 3: they don't understand is those places really are lifelines to
Speaker 3: poor rural people and all this stuff. Okay, because I
Speaker 3: got to that part and I was like, what fuck
Speaker 3: those places? What are you serious?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And then I hear later after the fact that I
Speaker 3: purportedly he had whatever investment stakes or something like that
Speaker 3: and some company and had some payday loan places, was
Speaker 3: that type of thing, and I was like, Oh, that's
Speaker 3: pretty greasy. And then his whole central thesis the way
Speaker 3: I read it in that book, which was basically just like, yeah, listen,
Speaker 3: you know, uh, these poor white people, they're just like
Speaker 3: they're just fundamentally lazy. There's something broken in them, like culturally,
Speaker 3: like they it's their own They could blame everybody else
Speaker 3: all they want, but it's it's their own fault at
Speaker 3: the end of the day. But I just never looked
Speaker 3: at like that because I've seen too many people very
Speaker 3: close to me that I feel like there're no fault
Speaker 3: of their own been you know, turned to shit by uh,
Speaker 3: completely external factors. Ironically to a lot of those people
Speaker 3: love JD's boss, Donald Trump and that type of thing,
Speaker 3: you know, because of all that that happened. But I
Speaker 3: don't know how he you know, how we had basically
Speaker 3: the same experiences and landed on such different outcomes the
Speaker 3: way that we did. But I think that, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, I'm a conspiratorial it is,
Speaker 3: But I think that he's I very much believe that
Speaker 3: he's been that he's backed by Peter Thiel and his
Speaker 3: and shepherded into this position that he's in now for
Speaker 3: a very strategic reason on their part. He was identified
Speaker 3: early on by them, I think, as someone who's like
Speaker 3: to be used for this purpose and has been more
Speaker 3: than happy to allow that to happen. That's what I
Speaker 3: think has happened with j D.
Speaker 2: I think two or three different times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, it's definitely weird and all everything
Speaker 3: that's going on there, and then he still like sucks
Speaker 3: up to people, the types of people who will be
Speaker 3: openly racist towards some other his children to his face
Speaker 3: or to his digital face on Twitter anyway, and that
Speaker 3: type of thing, which I also just find very wild.
Speaker 3: The whole thing is wild. But you know, I mean
Speaker 3: it's worked very well for him. He's the freaking vice president.
Speaker 3: He's in the White House right now, Like he can't
Speaker 3: argue with the results. If that's you know, those are
Speaker 3: things you value, money and power and all that. It's
Speaker 3: he's definitely getting what he wanted out of it so far,
Speaker 3: and it could only just be beginning, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: I'm not a hillbilly here my accent, but I did
Speaker 2: up in a small town, one of ten kids. Everybody's
Speaker 2: working for Kodak up in that area, and then Kodak
Speaker 2: went bust. Everybody lost their jobs, and right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get that kind of thing. That was like taking
Speaker 2: your date to the town dump to watch the Bears
Speaker 2: shooting yeah, but I'll tell you where I come from too.
Speaker 2: Trump is fuller with a lot of my family and
Speaker 2: a lot of former friends from high school and everything
Speaker 2: like that, and I have not had really the chance
Speaker 2: to sit down and talk with them about what's in
Speaker 2: their best interest. And not that you represent all Hillbillies everywhere,
Speaker 2: but one thing I struggled with is sort of this
Speaker 2: cult light adherence to something that that maybe appeals to
Speaker 2: their pride, but is it always in their best.
Speaker 3: Interest early on from the beginning. And that's alluded to
Speaker 3: this a little bit. And so did you. So I
Speaker 3: my hometown also, So my hometown, I think is an
Speaker 3: interesting case study. It's called Salina, Tennessee. It's in Klay County.
Speaker 3: It's very rural. We don't have any traffic lights or
Speaker 3: McDonald's or anything. There a big lot bragg and I
Speaker 3: that's enough. I get it you, Francy. But in every
Speaker 3: general election up to like two thousand and four, Lay
Speaker 3: County was a Democratic county and was blue like win
Speaker 3: for al Gore in two thousand and then Clinton before that,
Speaker 3: and had been Democrat previously, and then now it's like
Speaker 3: one of the strongest for Trump counties in Tennessee, like
Speaker 3: by percentage again it's very small, but percentage wise, and
Speaker 3: in the nineties, for years and years, the whole, the
Speaker 3: beating heart of the town's economy was a fact of
Speaker 3: textile factory from your way, Midwive, because I assume they're
Speaker 3: from actual oshkosh Oshkosh Bagosh is what they're called, you know,
Speaker 3: the most whimsically named company to ever destroy an entire community.
Speaker 3: But they made and make a little cute, little baby
Speaker 3: overalls and stuff, and that was like, there's a big
Speaker 3: factory in Solina for years and years and the nineties
Speaker 3: that left it went to Mexico. Nothing ever replaced it.
Speaker 3: My family and a bunch of other people. You either
Speaker 3: worked at the factory or you did something that kind
Speaker 3: of service people that worked at the factory that my
Speaker 3: dad ran the only video store in we like. He
Speaker 3: had a converted single white trailer called Crowder's Video, and
Speaker 3: my grandpa had a car lot, my other grandma had
Speaker 3: a country cafe like a diner, and then my openly
Speaker 3: gay uncle and his partner had a deli on the
Speaker 3: town square and all of which were doing great. And
Speaker 3: then that factory left, and within ten years all of
Speaker 3: those businesses were closed. Half those people were dead. My
Speaker 3: mom was hooked on pills, and that was the norm.
Speaker 3: That happened to everybody there pretty much, or almost everybody,
Speaker 3: or at least that were adjacent to It just devastated
Speaker 3: the town and they've never to this day recovered. And
Speaker 3: I felt like at twenty sixteen, like Trump showed up
Speaker 3: and like was the first person to even really pretend
Speaker 3: to give a shit about them or any of that,
Speaker 3: because he had been famous for years before that as
Speaker 3: a rich douchebag that I never liked him. For the record,
Speaker 3: I didn't know any redneck, especially redneck dude who liked him.
Speaker 3: You know. He was like a you know, a blue
Speaker 3: blood Yankee son of a bitch who thinks she's better
Speaker 3: than everybody else, you know, and needs ass whipped type
Speaker 3: of thing. Is how nobody liked him, and I did either.
Speaker 3: So when he showed up and he was doing that,
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, but he's full of shit. That
Speaker 3: he's clearly full of shit. Shouldn't that part matter? But
Speaker 3: I just think they were just so desperate for anyone
Speaker 3: to care that they latched onto it. And he blamed
Speaker 3: a lot of the same people like the swamp and
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, and then yes, the racist aspect
Speaker 3: of it too that he fed into. But I always
Speaker 3: used to tell people, I just thought the racism part
Speaker 3: was just the icing on the fuck you cake that
Speaker 3: he baked for them, for the establishment that they had
Speaker 3: seen as having ruined their lives and left them behind.
Speaker 3: So I was sympathetic to it the first time around. Again,
Speaker 3: I felt like I saw through it and I was like,
Speaker 3: you guys are getting sold bad bill of goods here.
Speaker 3: This is bullshit. But I did get where they were
Speaker 3: coming from or why they felt that way. All these
Speaker 3: years later, after everything that has happened, on the stuff
Speaker 3: that he's done, and how nothing has really changed in
Speaker 3: my hometown for the better for sure, and they're even
Speaker 3: more die hard now than ever. It's hard for me
Speaker 3: to try to reconcile with that. But I guess it's
Speaker 3: a you know, I mean, you called it a cult.
Speaker 3: I think you know, it's some kind of you get
Speaker 3: dug in and it becomes part of your identity, your personality, whatever,
Speaker 3: and then you just like it's hard to break people
Speaker 3: out of that. And then now lately, all the stuff
Speaker 3: that's happening lately in this country like scaring me. But
Speaker 3: if your hardcore maga or whatever, I mean, they have
Speaker 3: got to be loving all this shit, I imagine, like
Speaker 3: so far because there's no been there's no long term
Speaker 3: effects of any of it. Yet it's just all they
Speaker 3: see is Trump just doing all the things he told
Speaker 3: them he would do, because that's why, I mean, that's
Speaker 3: what he's doing. Like in a way, I'm like morbidly
Speaker 3: impressed by it because I've never seen an American politician
Speaker 3: do that. Almost all the time, they just say a
Speaker 3: bunch of shit and don't do much of nothing on
Speaker 3: both sides for most of my life. But he's doing stuff,
Speaker 3: and it's stuff that I really am not in favor of,
Speaker 3: but they love it and think it's a great idea,
Speaker 3: And so you know, they're not jumping off the Trump
Speaker 3: train anytime soon, I don't think. And the real question
Speaker 3: to me is when the receipts come in for a
Speaker 3: lot of these things that I think are going to
Speaker 3: have disastrous long term result, you know, sex When that
Speaker 3: when those consequences arrived, what happens then? And I'd like
Speaker 3: to think they'll find some of them will finally shake
Speaker 3: it off, But I don't know if I'm actually not
Speaker 3: that optimistic though at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: So, well, that's the thing is, I think you based
Speaker 1: on your humor stuff, I think you can see a
Speaker 1: lot of this is just built on lies, right, And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of what populist politicians do is
Speaker 1: they create enemies, they create false narratives, someone to blame
Speaker 1: the elites or for us, the deep state is where
Speaker 1: we worked, right, right. I think that the real people
Speaker 1: hurting the rural population and eventually will see this are
Speaker 1: their representatives that lie to them.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The people are telling them these lies, but they actually
Speaker 1: aren't going to fix things. They feed them information to
Speaker 1: keep them angry. Why they hop why they hob now
Speaker 1: with the super rich people and get yes breaks. But
Speaker 1: so I don't know when it will come and how
Speaker 1: much damage would be done before before everybody figures it out.
Speaker 1: But it's a real problem that being lied to all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I really felt like when I was a
Speaker 3: kid in that town, because I tell people too, it's
Speaker 3: like again, not only did it like vote blue in
Speaker 3: most elections, but most people when I was growing up there,
Speaker 3: I would have described as outwardly a political like people
Speaker 3: didn't talk about the general the general consensus, and almost
Speaker 3: everybody there back then was basically like, I'll fuck them.
Speaker 3: They're all full of shit and none of them really
Speaker 3: give a damn about you know. The Yeah, right, I know,
Speaker 3: I know. And that's like the sort of context I
Speaker 3: was raised in there. And then now there's Trump signs
Speaker 3: all over the place or anything, and it's just it's changed.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you're right, I mean, yes, they feed
Speaker 3: them things to make them angry and turn people against
Speaker 3: each other and make, you know, turn people into enemies
Speaker 3: that aren't really while hiding the fact that the real
Speaker 3: enemies are the masters that they're representatives serving all that
Speaker 3: stuff that they don't say, get mad at, like Mexicans
Speaker 3: and shit, instead of welfare queens and stuff, and the
Speaker 3: serial boogeymen that they're terrified of, instead of like the
Speaker 3: people that are actually screwing them over, sometimes right in
Speaker 3: front of their face, like Elon Musk. And then he
Speaker 3: turns around and talks house Elon that is like through
Speaker 3: out there the idea of we've been saving all this money,
Speaker 3: and uh, we might give everybody a dividend for it,
Speaker 3: you know, And he said, like five thousand dollars, and
Speaker 3: I don't think that'll ever happen, but it's funny. It's
Speaker 3: funny to me that it's like, these people have been
Speaker 3: decrying anything that seems we can't have health care whatever.
Speaker 3: That's socialism. It's not fair. People's tax pa taxpayer tax
Speaker 3: money can't pay for other people's stuff, and that's not
Speaker 3: how it should be. Socialism's bad, you know, all this stuff.
Speaker 3: And then Elon's like, I think we should take this
Speaker 3: big sum of taxpayer money and just distribute it evenly
Speaker 3: to the people, unconditionally. And they're like, oh, that's a
Speaker 3: great idea. That sounds awesome, that's totally what we should do. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't I think it'll be called dan help where
Speaker 3: that actually even happens. But it's the whole thing is
Speaker 3: just kind of upside down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, feral boogeyman. I like that.
Speaker 3: You guys should know all about those. I would imagine
Speaker 3: probably that.
Speaker 2: We are ongoing. So I want to take you, so
Speaker 2: we insport yourself back to your hometown and Selena, and
Speaker 2: you're sitting in so my hometown, the local dinter is
Speaker 2: called the Greeks. You sit there and you have a
Speaker 2: cup of coffee, everybody talks after the church and things,
Speaker 2: and so you're back at the Greeks and you tick
Speaker 2: me in and we sit down at the table of
Speaker 2: your local cafe and you introduce me to your friends
Speaker 2: and go, this guy's the deep State, and John's there too, right,
Speaker 2: so the true deep state guys, well, questions would they
Speaker 2: ask us?
Speaker 3: It's funny you say that, because I actually have a
Speaker 3: question that I was wanting to ask you guys. But
Speaker 3: it's not this questions coming from me. It's not it's
Speaker 3: actually coming from a friend of mine. So this is
Speaker 3: not exactly what you're asking. I'm not channeling a hometown person.
Speaker 3: This is my own question I already wanted to ask you.
Speaker 3: But my friend that I co host a podcast with
Speaker 3: is and saying recently, he's been positing that if these
Speaker 3: things that the current administration is doing really does lead
Speaker 3: to truly disastrous results, like things start to crumble apart,
Speaker 3: and it's heading in that direction, at what point does
Speaker 3: anybody or can anybody step in and then do something
Speaker 3: about it to whether it's like a coup or an
Speaker 3: Operation Valkyrie type sign or whatever it is, is there
Speaker 3: a point where to keep this country from collapse? Would
Speaker 3: the deep snit ever do some deep state stuff in
Speaker 3: this scenario, And because he's starting to route for that
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 2: I wish there was a deep state. The deep state
Speaker 2: is just a it's just a shitty name they throw
Speaker 2: at people like us who Congress and the president. They
Speaker 2: make the laws and the rule, they don't always know
Speaker 2: what they are right we carry them out. So like
Speaker 2: for even at CIA, the first thing we do when
Speaker 2: we're gonna have an operation is we go to a
Speaker 2: lawyer and we're like, is this legal? Is this conspiracial?
Speaker 2: Can we do it? And you know, if the answer
Speaker 2: is no, we don't do it. Regardless, even if the
Speaker 2: president says I want you to do something, and I
Speaker 2: think this is one of Trump's problems, He's like, I
Speaker 2: give an order, nobody carries it out like because they're like,
Speaker 2: maybe it's against the law, or maybe it's against the rules,
Speaker 2: or maybe it's unethical. People won't do it. To know
Speaker 2: these and as least as bad as it is now, Nope,
Speaker 2: the only thing I think you'll find is people of
Speaker 2: goodwill will basically say I'm just gonna like keep my
Speaker 2: head down and try to wait out four years and
Speaker 2: I'll do what I need to do. But no, the
Speaker 2: answer is no.
Speaker 3: Well, even on that last note you said, I remember
Speaker 3: thinking the first time around the first Trump administration, people
Speaker 3: were like, this guy's in charge of the nukes. That's terrifying.
Speaker 3: And I was like, surely there's people around high high
Speaker 3: levels in the military and stuff. I got to have
Speaker 3: been there for a long time. They're legit, they're not insane,
Speaker 3: and hopefully they would be able to keep something truly
Speaker 3: wild like that from happening. And I feel like after
Speaker 3: the first administration, you got we've got reports during like
Speaker 3: January sixth, committees and all that of the way things
Speaker 3: were inside at the time, and it seemed like that
Speaker 3: was sort of the case. I had. It broke down
Speaker 3: and like there was team Saying and team crazy, and
Speaker 3: it's like saying, like longtime bureaucrats who were like actually
Speaker 3: reasonable people were trying hard every day to keep Team
Speaker 3: Crazy from doing a bunch of crazy shit. And that's
Speaker 3: really what was happening by the scenes the first time around.
Speaker 3: And it's like part of the whole plan this time
Speaker 3: around is to not have any of the same people there.
Speaker 3: And so you know, you said you were saying, people
Speaker 3: have been there a long time and are not down
Speaker 3: with all this, just like keep their head down. But
Speaker 3: do you think there's because I used to work for
Speaker 3: I used to work for the Department of Energy, and
Speaker 3: I was just like a pencil pushure of the desk.
Speaker 3: But I that's another thing I used to think because
Speaker 3: I worked my whole time in twenty ten, the two thousand,
Speaker 3: middle of twenty sixteen, six and a half years I was.
Speaker 3: That was all Obama administration, So the Secretary of THEDE
Speaker 3: was like the head of Physics and Energy at MIT.
Speaker 3: And then after I left and Trump came in, it
Speaker 3: was fucking Rick Perry right, who couldn't even remember the
Speaker 3: name of the agency, And that was that was all
Speaker 3: freaking me out. But because I'd worked there, I was
Speaker 3: like I knew. I was like that people doing the
Speaker 3: things there every day are longter like life. First, they're
Speaker 3: people that have been working for the de for a
Speaker 3: long long time, through all kinds of different administrations with
Speaker 3: different politics, and they keep the mission going and the
Speaker 3: trains running on time and all that. So it's even
Speaker 3: with all this craziness, people all still be there and
Speaker 3: that's the thing that gives me comfort. But again, what
Speaker 3: they're part of what they're doing right now is they're
Speaker 3: excising a lot of that. They're saying to.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: So John and I John is speak himself, but he's
Speaker 2: worked against Russia, the Soviet Union, And you know, I've
Speaker 2: done a lot of time counterterrorism. I spent time in
Speaker 2: Rock Afghanistan pushing back against like really some evil ideologies
Speaker 2: and some nasty people. But if Trump comes along and says,
Speaker 2: and this isn't like, this isn't crazy anymore, he says,
Speaker 2: I want us to, I want you say, work against
Speaker 2: our real enemies, Canada. And then I guess it's not
Speaker 2: illegal to run operations against the Native Ali. I mean,
Speaker 2: it would be stupid and unethical and foolish and short sighted.
Speaker 2: But I think they'd find a couple of people who
Speaker 2: do it, and a couple of people who Yeah, if
Speaker 2: you make me do it, I'll do a shitty job.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Chuck, what do you think I.
Speaker 1: Will get that question a lot of time when you
Speaker 1: guys gonna come in and take care of this kind
Speaker 1: of thing. You see, hey, guys, and essentially you have
Speaker 1: experienced in Dee it's the same thing people are. Our
Speaker 1: public servants are focused on their mission, which is collecting
Speaker 1: foreign intelligence, where we're not focused on domestic politics and
Speaker 1: try it. In fact, we're very much inculcated to stay
Speaker 1: away from that.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't want.
Speaker 1: A powerful agency that steals thing and does things like
Speaker 1: that working domestically, right, and so we'll pretty much stay
Speaker 1: out of domestic politics. So what Jerry said first is
Speaker 1: most likely is there isn't really a means for people
Speaker 1: to step in or do something or stop something. You know,
Speaker 1: half the country it most would blame them for getting
Speaker 1: involved in something they shouldn't get involved in. But like
Speaker 1: Jerry said too, I think most people are going to
Speaker 1: focus on trying to do their job or keep their
Speaker 1: head down, or if they do give these kind of
Speaker 1: orders that are crazy, a certain percentage of people will quit.
Speaker 1: Another group will try to explain is best and try
Speaker 1: the best they can to push back and explain, and
Speaker 1: some of them get fired. And then there'll be a
Speaker 1: small group of people who will do it and probably
Speaker 1: do it poorly. And then maybe if Trump's in long enough,
Speaker 1: he'll bring in enough todies to try to come in
Speaker 1: and do it. But it's a very difficult job to
Speaker 1: just do on the fly. It takes a long time
Speaker 1: to go through training and get experience and get languages
Speaker 1: and learn how to do these things. I mean, he'll
Speaker 1: be dead long before anybody he brings in from the
Speaker 1: outside is trained and ready to do this effectively. So
Speaker 1: possibly Justice Department, possibly in the courts, possibly an FBI.
Speaker 1: At some point there'll be a group of people who
Speaker 1: can more effectively push back, but it's pushed back, probably
Speaker 1: trying their best to explain what's happening.
Speaker 2: Is illegal, right for the Republican Party from his own ail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Congress is where it's supposed to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the rest there answer. Yeah, I mean, that's that thing.
Speaker 3: I was thinking just because this week he had a
Speaker 3: new executive order basically it was like, you know, expanding
Speaker 3: executive authority even further and basically telling the courts like, actually,
Speaker 3: we're we're the ones who are going to interpret the law.
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, even on the constitution, like
Speaker 3: says that's what judicial just for it, and he's like,
Speaker 3: now we're not really doing that whole constitution thing anymore.
Speaker 3: But but I was thinking because of that, I was
Speaker 3: like it's wild that that's the idea, that one thing,
Speaker 3: like an example, something is completely bipotterson and just unquestioned
Speaker 3: my whole life until recently, was that, like, you know,
Speaker 3: checks and balances, which is the thing you get told
Speaker 3: over and over again as a kid growing up in
Speaker 3: this country. It's like one of the principles were founded
Speaker 3: on is the idea of checks and balances, and that
Speaker 3: that is good right whoever it has the power at
Speaker 3: any given time. The fact that we have that is
Speaker 3: a good thing, right. And that's one of those types
Speaker 3: of things, like fundamental precepts that I just never thought
Speaker 3: I would see questioned by anybody like regular people. I mean,
Speaker 3: And now they're actively trying to dismantle checks and balances
Speaker 3: and they're being cheered on for it, and that's it's
Speaker 3: all just it's all pretty wild. But since you asked
Speaker 3: me that question, the two I thought of, what's the
Speaker 3: deal with the weather machine? Right, who actually controls that?
Speaker 3: And Uh, why didn't they send to her kind of
Speaker 3: put the fires out in LA when we had that
Speaker 3: problem out here, because it's this is liberal haven out here,
Speaker 3: so you'd think they want to take care of us.
Speaker 3: And then uh, and then what's the real story with COVID.
Speaker 3: What were you guys really doing there trying to put
Speaker 3: five G and everybody or were sterilized smart people?
Speaker 1: I don't know and I had retired, so we can't
Speaker 1: be blamed for either of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, the conspiracy crazies, they've got their team
Speaker 2: in there now, all the people Louderie, Taylor Green her
Speaker 2: parties are in it. It's time to expose the Jewish
Speaker 2: space laser, right, I mean they well, now let's wheel out,
Speaker 2: get the gurneyes out, and wheel out the aliens that
Speaker 2: the CIA has hit all this time, Right, Let's do
Speaker 2: the Kennedy assassination. Let's do his people in charge.
Speaker 3: They can do all that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's bring it all out there.
Speaker 1: Let's show everybody to find out there's nothing there.
Speaker 3: But they still That's another thing that I don't get
Speaker 3: is like I was just in Kentucky doing shows and
Speaker 3: it was flooding there at the time. I saw people
Speaker 3: these people like on Twitter they were talking about so
Speaker 3: Elin had been saying, you know, we need to audit
Speaker 3: Fort Knox, right, because we don't even know if all
Speaker 3: that gold is there anymore. It could be just standing
Speaker 3: empty who knows, you know. And it's like my buddy
Speaker 3: pointed out, He's like, well, if it's been empty for
Speaker 3: a while, that feels like that's been fine.
Speaker 1: Like it's like I don't like that hasn't really affected.
Speaker 1: We don't know this, We don't know that. What they're
Speaker 1: saying is that they don't know. They for the government,
Speaker 1: they actually do know if they ask people.
Speaker 3: So they had been saying that we need to audit
Speaker 3: Fort Knox and these people, and it caught up at
Speaker 3: a little traction on like Twitter and stuff between the
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories are like very funny that they're talking about
Speaker 3: auditing Fort Knox and all of a sudden it's flooding
Speaker 3: there and it's because they're saying, you know, they we
Speaker 3: employed the weather machine again. And my thing is like, okay,
Speaker 3: but that but that I thought that was like a
Speaker 3: Biden administration deep like they you guys have taken care
Speaker 3: of that, haven't you. Like you've won, You've pushed those
Speaker 3: people out right, So where are they? What are they do?
Speaker 3: And there's some like secret.
Speaker 1: There's always got to be an enemy. So I have
Speaker 1: a question for you, Tray, do you get threats? There
Speaker 1: was recently a Vanity Fair article called They're Scared Shitless,
Speaker 1: and it talked about how North Carolina Senator Tom Tillis,
Speaker 1: who was claiming that he was going to vote against
Speaker 1: Pete Haygesith for Secretary of Defense, that the FBI went
Speaker 1: to and warned him about a series of credible death
Speaker 1: threats against him because he was going to vote against
Speaker 1: the presidents. Now, do you get threats from people who
Speaker 1: really don't like what you're doing?
Speaker 3: Early on, when I first popped, first became a thing,
Speaker 3: and I was kind of all over the place briefly,
Speaker 3: like on the Internet. I got a lot of messages
Speaker 3: from people and dms and stuff that a lot of
Speaker 3: them are just like Colin at gay in various ways
Speaker 3: or whatever, or having conspiracy theories about me. It's like,
Speaker 3: I'm a secret Jewish actor from New York Who's been
Speaker 3: installed by the Obama administration to like propagate liberal propaganda
Speaker 3: in rural America. Right, that was a conspiracy theory, right,
Speaker 3: So stuff like that. But I would get some that
Speaker 3: were like threatening violence, you know, and however ways, and
Speaker 3: I got a few death threats and that type of thing,
Speaker 3: But they were like here and there, and I mostly
Speaker 3: just like laughed them off or ignored it. Over the years,
Speaker 3: they've gotten much less and less because those people are
Speaker 3: not generally what you know, their algorithms, not showing them
Speaker 3: my stuff. For the most part, it's mostly just it'll
Speaker 3: be hateful comments or whatever. And I have known people
Speaker 3: who are like, don't have as large of a following
Speaker 3: as me, but have gotten on the radar of some
Speaker 3: of these guys. Right, I don't know how or why
Speaker 3: I have not gotten that kind of attention so far.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just again, I'm just either not on their
Speaker 3: radar or they don't. They think I'm just a silly
Speaker 3: thing that's not serious, which is fine with me because
Speaker 3: I am a comedian. So I ask myself sometimes like
Speaker 3: if that does happen, if I start getting that type
Speaker 3: of attention the way you hear all these stories about
Speaker 3: all the time, what am I gonna do, Because like
Speaker 3: I said, I am married, I do have kids, and
Speaker 3: it would you know, that shit would be freaky. I'm
Speaker 3: not you know, you were about these people, even that
Speaker 3: one guy, like even people on their side like that
Speaker 3: that guy who was like a big he was like
Speaker 3: a big sort of leader. In the process of January
Speaker 3: sixth on the day of and then later they decided
Speaker 3: that he actually was one of your people who worked
Speaker 3: for the deep state. Right then he was installed there
Speaker 3: and this guy Maga and loves Trump. They just decided
Speaker 3: he was that secret deep state and then he had
Speaker 3: to like go into hiding and shit with his wife
Speaker 3: and like leave there out because of you know, the
Speaker 3: threats they were getting, how harassed they got. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like a list you get you
Speaker 3: find yourself on at some point and they'll like do
Speaker 3: everything they can and make your life hell. And thankfully
Speaker 3: that hasn't happened to me yet and I'm hoping obviously
Speaker 3: that it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Is Trump good for you? So I've got friends who
Speaker 2: are journalists now I never had when it was on
Speaker 2: the inside, And after their third drink, they'll say, at
Speaker 2: least people are like animated now Trump hate and releiveled.
Speaker 2: But it's he's an animating character and he's like in
Speaker 2: the headlines all the time, and he's journalists are building
Speaker 2: their career years off of either opposing him or digging
Speaker 2: shit up or lick spittling him and praising him. So, well,
Speaker 2: how do you see you yourself in this in this biasphere.
Speaker 3: Yeah. People were bringing it up to me too or
Speaker 3: asking me about that the first time around, also in
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. That's like what I said then, and I
Speaker 3: think it's still true this time around too. Is like
Speaker 3: I would as somebody who lives in this country and
Speaker 3: as kids and all this stuff like, it's this is
Speaker 3: not worth it to me, But it would be disingenuous
Speaker 3: of me to not acknowledge that this probably is like
Speaker 3: a quote unquote good thing for me professionally considering what
Speaker 3: I do, like I probably do benefit from this ultimately,
Speaker 3: and did the first time around as well. But on
Speaker 3: the other hand, in the run up went Biden won
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty and everything, everybody naively thought, you know,
Speaker 3: now that all that's over forever, what are you know?
Speaker 3: What are you What are you gonna do now? What
Speaker 3: are you gonna talk? When I was always like, it'll
Speaker 3: be fine. I've been this country long enough to know,
Speaker 3: especially now at this point, there's always going to be
Speaker 3: dumb shit happening that it needs to be made fun of,
Speaker 3: regardless of who's in charge. So I think I'll be fine,
Speaker 3: And I was, I mean I had, you know, I
Speaker 3: was in I didn't like go back to my old
Speaker 3: job during the Biden administration, just crawl back out of
Speaker 3: my internet hole when Trump got re elected, like I
Speaker 3: was still doing it all the that whole time. But no,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's been you know, my numbers will have
Speaker 3: gone up recently and probably will continue to do so.
Speaker 3: And that means ticket sales and all that stuff, probably,
Speaker 3: and it's because of you know, the current state of
Speaker 3: things politically. But again, if I could snap my fingers
Speaker 3: and be doing somewhat less well but feel better about
Speaker 3: the future of the country, I would take that trade
Speaker 3: in a heartbeat. But yeah, it probably does help me
Speaker 3: a little bit for now, up until a point like
Speaker 3: when the like water wars start or whatever, or I
Speaker 3: don't know, people are gonna going to comedy shows in
Speaker 3: the after times or during the Second Civil War or whatever,
Speaker 3: so we'll see it. I had thought and planning that
Speaker 3: if Harris Walls had won, my plan was to gradually
Speaker 3: drift away from heavy politics stuff in the more just
Speaker 3: regular stand up clips. And I even started making like
Speaker 3: cooking videos and stuff like that, just it's like regular
Speaker 3: funny stuff and not have to talk about politics all
Speaker 3: the time, because I've been thinking if they had won,
Speaker 3: then maybe we can all try to put some of
Speaker 3: this behind us as a people. Obviously didn't work out
Speaker 3: that way, and when that when what happened happened, I
Speaker 3: was like, well, Okay, I guess I'm still doing my
Speaker 3: thing for a while's.
Speaker 2: Cause perception, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Talking about conspiracy theories. Do you think there's a greater
Speaker 1: tendency towards conspiracy theories on the right wing or in
Speaker 1: rural communities. And one of the things that leads me
Speaker 1: to ask that is I recall a few years ago
Speaker 1: there was a journalist that had been coming back from
Speaker 1: cover civil wars and poverty in the Third World for
Speaker 1: a long time, and he was getting interviewed on one of
Speaker 1: these podcasts, New York Times podcasts, and they asked him,
Speaker 1: do you see a similar breakdown here that's going to
Speaker 1: lead to a civil war or whatever? And I was
Speaker 1: expecting to say, oh, yes, and he said no, because
Speaker 1: in the places where he was they had real problems,
Speaker 1: like they were really poor, they couldn't eat, they were
Speaker 1: actually killing each other, right, And here it seems like
Speaker 1: it's middle class board white guys so do you think
Speaker 1: there's a regional piece to this, or a rural peace
Speaker 1: to this, or what is it?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, the thing that that journalist said
Speaker 3: is like a version of a thing that I like
Speaker 3: try to tell myself to sleep at night or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I've heard other people say it to Americans don't
Speaker 3: really realize how like we look around, like, oh god,
Speaker 3: the sky's following, this is horrible and everything, and it's like,
Speaker 3: as compared to a lot so many places in the
Speaker 3: world and the shit that goes on there, it's like
Speaker 3: it's still it's still pretty nice here, you know, and
Speaker 3: we don't know how good we got it. And I
Speaker 3: try to remind myself of that, but I didn't. I
Speaker 3: would not used to. I would not have thought that
Speaker 3: it necessarily was the right leaning thing. Conspiracy theories. It's like,
Speaker 3: that's one thing I've lamented is like I used to,
Speaker 3: I was ever really into them. I've always liked aliens
Speaker 3: and stuff and UFO stuff and that type of thing.
Speaker 3: I like Oliver Stone's JFK movie and listening to podcasts
Speaker 3: about that stuff and whatever else. And it was always
Speaker 3: kind of a silly, fun thing to me. Conspiracy theories
Speaker 3: you know, I smoked a little bit too much weed
Speaker 3: one time in college and watched the wrong YouTube video,
Speaker 3: and for a couple hours after that, I was like,
Speaker 3: Damn Bush did nine to eleven, you know, like that
Speaker 3: type of thing. Then I shook it off later, but
Speaker 3: and like that's another good example. I feel like that
Speaker 3: was a dull like nine to eleven being an inside
Speaker 3: job and something that Bush did, like that conspiracy theory was.
Speaker 3: There was plenty of people on the left tour all
Speaker 3: about that because it was an anti Bush thing. So
Speaker 3: used to know, but now I feel like it's undeniable
Speaker 3: that it's like right wing coded, and I think it's
Speaker 3: a combination of things where it's like the rise of
Speaker 3: Quanon and it begetting as big and mainstream as it did,
Speaker 3: and it kind of becoming like intrinsically linked with MAGA
Speaker 3: and Trump and the right, and also how all encompassing
Speaker 3: it is. It's like it will wrap up anything into itself,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean. It's like any kind
Speaker 3: of conspiracy theory can get connected back to this larger
Speaker 3: one type thing and it and there it's people on
Speaker 3: the right largely and then uh, and then I think
Speaker 3: a lot of like pied type stuff. You know, Like
Speaker 3: I'm not not blaming things on Joe Rogan, but I'm
Speaker 3: saying like that what realm of influence is tied to
Speaker 3: get you know, again like early Joe Rogan and that
Speaker 3: there's like a crossover. He loved talking about conspiracy theories
Speaker 3: and aliens and all that shit that's used to be
Speaker 3: mostly all of what he did, and then you can
Speaker 3: see how they've got it's gotten mixed together with the
Speaker 3: politics of the right over the years, just by looking
Speaker 3: at his show as like a case study or an example.
Speaker 3: And that sucks because, like some again, sometimes I could
Speaker 3: think they're fun, right, but I don't want to be
Speaker 3: even jokingly part of the current version of the world
Speaker 3: of variously theories. It's just another thing that's been co
Speaker 3: opted and ruined by the far right. As far as
Speaker 3: I'm concerned. We used to have fun with conspiracy theories
Speaker 3: in this country and now they're dangerous.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, in high school there was like who
Speaker 2: really built the pyramids or space aliens? And you know,
Speaker 2: you can enjoy that on any any part of the
Speaker 2: political spectrum. But one of my things that I'm sort
Speaker 2: of gobsmack and still dealing with. But it was like
Speaker 2: where I come from, I think where you do too,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of like a small town. The military
Speaker 2: was always sacred sanc It was also a place where
Speaker 2: kids coming out of high school, we can get a
Speaker 2: job and you can see the world. You can make
Speaker 2: something of yourself with a we had a pickle plant
Speaker 2: in town, right and it closed down, and kodaks like,
Speaker 2: you can always join the Marines, right, yes, yes, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people did. And if you didn't go
Speaker 2: to college. So with with the right now with Trump,
Speaker 2: what they've broken is really the military isn't sacre sanct anymore.
Speaker 2: When Trump got up and said that John McCain is
Speaker 2: a fucking loser for getting and being tortured by the
Speaker 2: North Vietnamese, and people bought that, and people blought that
Speaker 2: in my tone too. You know, Trump's saying that generals
Speaker 2: are stupid and the military of a bunch of pussies. Right,
Speaker 2: what's your sense of, Like where you come from, is
Speaker 2: the military not being held in high regard anymore? I
Speaker 2: thought that was the bedrock thing me too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's another thing, like I was saying earlier about
Speaker 3: checks and balances or whatever. The military is the type
Speaker 3: of thing that I thought would not everybody called into quest.
Speaker 3: That was one of the craziest things that I ever
Speaker 3: saw Trump do, is when he did the things like
Speaker 3: you're talking about. He got caught calling you know, dead
Speaker 3: soldiers losers and all this type of shit that he's
Speaker 3: done over the years. It's like, I can't believe that
Speaker 3: this is okay with everybody, because that was like the
Speaker 3: one thing you could never ever do. And it's all
Speaker 3: this doze stuff. And they've just recently started talking about, oh,
Speaker 3: they're actually going to cut some of the defense budget.
Speaker 3: And this part is hard for me because I've spent
Speaker 3: years being like, we should cut some of the defense.
Speaker 3: It's just like, for most of my life it's like, God,
Speaker 3: I really wish we could cut some of the defense
Speaker 3: budget and focus more on space travel and going to Mars.
Speaker 3: And it's like without the monkey's Paul cur right, this
Speaker 3: is the version of the world that's happening. But I
Speaker 3: think it's like I don't know for sure, but I
Speaker 3: think it's like they still have an idea, an idealized
Speaker 3: version of the military that is sacrosanct in their head,
Speaker 3: and it's like they think that the present day military,
Speaker 3: like so many things, has been like co opted and
Speaker 3: ruined by like wokeism and dei stuff and that type
Speaker 3: of thing. Or you know, the military is like gone
Speaker 3: woke with military leadership. So the military has lost its
Speaker 3: way I think and gotten all woke and shit is
Speaker 3: how they justify being anti military right now? And it's
Speaker 3: like they just they want to they the real American
Speaker 3: military that they like, Remember, it's like it's still attainable
Speaker 3: and that's still like the gold standard and it is
Speaker 3: sacro sanc but it's just been bastardized in the current
Speaker 3: version of it. That's why you can shit all over
Speaker 3: it is because of that, So you got to get
Speaker 3: it back to the old way or something.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: The next one then is similar, is like how do
Speaker 1: we become pro Russian? Like for Christ's sake?
Speaker 3: Like yes, that's that one is nuh because again, growing
Speaker 3: up here am I whole you know how I mean,
Speaker 3: they're the bad guys in every movie and everything. It's
Speaker 3: like the Cold War was such it ended when I
Speaker 3: was like a kid, but it was still just like
Speaker 3: such a huge part of everything, and it's I just
Speaker 3: never I don't know, Uh, it's a big part of
Speaker 3: like how so many people demonize the left overall a
Speaker 3: period or socialism being a dirty word is because they
Speaker 3: got associated with the evils of communism and Soviet Russia
Speaker 3: and that being the enemy and all that, and it
Speaker 3: was just never questioned. It's communism is still evil and
Speaker 3: socialism by proxy and all that. But now Russia's awesome
Speaker 3: because of I don't know, Putin's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to get people to watch Red Dawn again.
Speaker 3: That's the russ Yeah.
Speaker 1: I lived in Russia and I've been working on Russia
Speaker 1: things for a long time and it's not awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I you know what I think it is. And
Speaker 1: you what's so good about your comedy trade is you
Speaker 1: focus on what has happened I think in this country
Speaker 1: is we've defined our enemies as internal enemies rather than
Speaker 1: external enemies. Like when we grew up, it was like
Speaker 1: there was external enemies and we disagreed with each other.
Speaker 1: But we're on the same side against external I think
Speaker 1: one of the geniuses that Trump picked up on that
Speaker 1: was already out there was if I can make Hillary
Speaker 1: Clinton the enemy, then anything I say or do is
Speaker 1: okay because it's attacking that because they're the real enemy,
Speaker 1: not anybody else.
Speaker 2: So Treue, what's your favorite conspiracy theory? And I hope
Speaker 2: it has to do with CIA so we can maybe
Speaker 2: address it for you.
Speaker 3: My definitely the favorite genre of them, at least I guess,
Speaker 3: is all aliens and UFO stuff, anything from like Rosswelt
Speaker 3: through the drones or whatever, and all the stuff that
Speaker 3: people say, and then we can't talk about any of that, right, See,
Speaker 3: I have aliens inting in an underground bunker somewhere, or
Speaker 3: alien tech or whatever. It's like one of those things
Speaker 3: where it's like, basically, do I think that aliens probably
Speaker 3: exist somewhere in the universe? Yes, mathematically I think that
Speaker 3: they probably do. Do I think that like the drones
Speaker 3: in New Jersey and shit, or like aliens surveillance or
Speaker 3: any of that stuff. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: There was a senator from Nevada, Reid, who was really
Speaker 1: was obsessed with this for years, obviously at Area fifty
Speaker 1: one is in Nevada and stuff, and so he pushed
Speaker 1: the Defense Apartment and the intelligence that needs to create
Speaker 1: some version of looking at things that we couldn't figure out.
Speaker 1: And there's been a Congress variety of hearings and this
Speaker 1: and that, and of course none of it really answers
Speaker 1: any of this. And of course the thing is every
Speaker 1: time you try to answer these things, it just makes
Speaker 1: people go deeper and say ah, like they said, hey,
Speaker 1: let out all the JFK stuff, And essentially the intelligenent
Speaker 1: is let out all the JFK stuff. But the fact
Speaker 1: there's like two pieces of paper left, they're like, ah,
Speaker 1: that's where the real thing is. That you almost can't
Speaker 1: win when you start down this thing. So I think
Speaker 1: there is an office or in the Defense Department, and
Speaker 1: probably in the intelligences or that try to do what
Speaker 1: they can to look at things that are unexplainable and
Speaker 1: see if they can't figure things out or if recover
Speaker 1: things that look that way. But in terms of actual
Speaker 1: alien stuff, I spent thirty years in net Cia.
Speaker 3: I never heard anything but anything.
Speaker 2: We hit an office on this. I think this is
Speaker 2: big in the seventies and eighties for a while that
Speaker 2: was looking at far seeing and we hired psychics and
Speaker 2: they would sit down and they would sit were a
Speaker 2: piece of paper and drink of coffee and they would
Speaker 2: like sketch something out and they go look for this
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, vous stock like a submarine pen and the
Speaker 2: only reason we had that was because and I can't
Speaker 2: remember was here to read. But there was some influential
Speaker 2: senator who was convinced that this could and he like
Speaker 2: made us do it. He gave us the money. It said,
Speaker 2: fucking do this and it produced nothing. But we're still
Speaker 2: like CIA had an office that did this, yeah, because
Speaker 2: we were forced to.
Speaker 1: Like it's like mk Ultra, which is in the nineteen fifties, Yep.
Speaker 1: There was a concern that we were fighting the Soviet
Speaker 1: Union and there's all these public TV shows and movies suggests,
Speaker 1: and a number of people had come back from fighting
Speaker 1: in Korea and other places, and it seemed to become brainwashed.
Speaker 1: If you believe communism, it must because there must have
Speaker 1: been a drug or a brainwashing that the Soviets had
Speaker 1: figured out. And so there was a small place at
Speaker 1: the CIA that was supposed to look into it and
Speaker 1: test drugs and things to see if this thing existed.
Speaker 1: I think they ruined a lot of people's minds, but
Speaker 1: they found out that there was no You could destroy
Speaker 1: some one's brain, but you can't really reprogram it very right.
Speaker 1: And it was a pretty sad experiment and.
Speaker 2: I have to say, if we just the way things
Speaker 2: work in the real world. So John and I are
Speaker 2: both we've been out for a long time and are
Speaker 2: measly pensions were not port but we're certainly not rich.
Speaker 2: We could hit the jackpot if we, like said, I
Speaker 2: know where the aliens are, right, And if there really was,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't people come out afterwards and say it, like,
Speaker 2: you know, just or sneak off to the Washington Post
Speaker 2: or the New York Times or Carlson and go, here's
Speaker 2: the Yeah, the thousands of us. Why wouldn't wanted to know?
Speaker 3: That? Is the mind that because over I thought about it,
Speaker 3: I think really like the real conspiracy theory is that
Speaker 3: it's all way more boring than you think it is
Speaker 3: and also less effectual than you think of. Is not
Speaker 3: as all powerful as a lot of people think it is,
Speaker 3: and they couldn't don't have the capacity to do a
Speaker 3: lot of this stuff that people think that has been done.
Speaker 3: And also, as you just said, it's like the whole Moonland,
Speaker 3: the Main Fight or whatever like that one. It's like
Speaker 3: the the sheer number of people that would have to
Speaker 3: be in something like that and never ever even up
Speaker 3: to it, including their deathbed say a single thing about it,
Speaker 3: or leak any information out or whatever. And it's like
Speaker 3: people just people can't do that, you know, it's human
Speaker 3: nature to it's just impossible. You can't keep a secret
Speaker 3: like that with that many people. There's like two people
Speaker 3: maybe can keep a secret, and even when the third
Speaker 3: person gets involved, it's your danger of it getting out
Speaker 3: let alone thousands of people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, especially in this day and age, he could
Speaker 1: make some good money off of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they don't stay secret very long.
Speaker 1: It's been so fun to listen to you. I enjoy
Speaker 1: following on social media and I would suggest that people
Speaker 1: in our audience to look it up.
Speaker 3: Trey Crowder, thank you Trek Crowder dot com, trakt Crowder
Speaker 3: on all the socials and yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: It's a fun.
Speaker 1: Appreciate Troy is tr Ae, So Trey, thank you very much,
Speaker 1: really really appreciate it.
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