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Speaker 1: John and I are on break now who are on

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Speaker 1: a secret mission and this before all new Mission Implausible

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Speaker 1: episodes come out this fall. But for now, we'll bring

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Speaker 2: See you there.

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Speaker 3: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry O'Shea. I was a

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Speaker 3: CIA officer stationed around the world in high threat posts

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Speaker 3: in Europe, Russia, and in Asia.

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Speaker 2: And I served in Africa, Asia, Europe, the Middle East

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Speaker 2: and in war zones. We sometimes created conspiracies to deceive

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Speaker 2: our adversaries.

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Speaker 3: Now we're going to use our expertise to deconstruct conspiracy

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Speaker 3: theories large and small.

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Speaker 2: Could they be true? Or are we being manipulated?

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Speaker 3: This is Mission Implausible. Today's guest is Trey Crowder. He's

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Speaker 3: the liberal redneck. He's a comedian with a big following

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Speaker 3: on YouTube and social media and the author of several books.

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Speaker 3: He's from rural Tennessee and you can see the dates

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Speaker 3: through his nationwide comedy tour on his website. So welcome

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Speaker 3: to Hey.

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Speaker 4: The website and question is trade Crowder dot com. By

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Speaker 4: the way, thanks for the intro and thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: The first question I've met for you is can you

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Speaker 3: explain gd bance?

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Speaker 4: No, not really only a show. I have a weird

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Speaker 4: miniature history with j D actually because his I first

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Speaker 4: mentioned in the spring of twenty sixteen. I had been

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Speaker 4: doing stand up in anonymity for like six years already

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Speaker 4: these meetings, Hollywood meetings and stuff like this, and people

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Speaker 4: started asking me, oh, you must love Have you read

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Speaker 4: that new book? Have you read He'll Billy Eligi? If

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Speaker 4: you read that, you know about that. And that's how

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Speaker 4: I found out about it. And I looked it up

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Speaker 4: and they were all any type of remotely fancy person

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Speaker 4: intelligentsia or any type of artist to have whether they

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Speaker 4: were like salivating over this book, right, they loved it.

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Speaker 4: So I found out about that way. And then I

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Speaker 4: the first question you asked to like explain Hillbillies to people,

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Speaker 4: because there was a big narrative them about them and Trump.

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Speaker 4: Then that's what happened with Trump is he reached these

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Speaker 4: specific people. It's like, you're one of these people, what's

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Speaker 4: And Jad was doing the same thing at the same time,

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Speaker 4: and we like met and started talking and stuff. He

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Speaker 4: similar upbringing and background in a lot of ways. My

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Speaker 2: I'm not a hillbilly here my accent, but I did

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Speaker 2: And not that you represent all Hillbillies everywhere, but one

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Speaker 4: Interest early on from the beginning. And that's alluded to

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Speaker 4: get it. You fancy, but uh, in every general election

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Speaker 3: to do their job or keep their head down, or

432
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Speaker 3: if they do give these kind of orders that are crazy,

433
00:20:22,402 --> 00:20:25,122
Speaker 3: a certain percentage of people will quit. Another group will

434
00:20:25,162 --> 00:20:27,202
Speaker 3: try to explain is best and try the best they

435
00:20:27,282 --> 00:20:29,802
Speaker 3: can to push back and explain and some of them

436
00:20:29,842 --> 00:20:32,042
Speaker 3: will get fired, and then there'll be a small group

437
00:20:32,082 --> 00:20:33,962
Speaker 3: of people who will do it and probably do it poorly.

438
00:20:34,842 --> 00:20:37,522
Speaker 3: And then maybe if Trump's in long enough, he'll bring

439
00:20:37,562 --> 00:20:39,682
Speaker 3: in enough todies to try to come in and do it.

440
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Speaker 3: But it's a very difficult job to just do on

441
00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,722
Speaker 3: the fly. It takes a long time to go through

442
00:20:45,762 --> 00:20:48,161
Speaker 3: training and get experience and get languages and learn how

443
00:20:48,202 --> 00:20:50,322
Speaker 3: to do these things. I mean, he'll be dead long

444
00:20:50,402 --> 00:20:53,002
Speaker 3: before anybody he brings in from the outside is trained

445
00:20:53,042 --> 00:20:57,642
Speaker 3: and ready to do this effectively. So possibly Justice Department,

446
00:20:57,762 --> 00:21:00,642
Speaker 3: possibly in the courts, possibly an FBI. At some point

447
00:21:00,682 --> 00:21:03,321
Speaker 3: there'll be a group of people who can more effectively

448
00:21:03,322 --> 00:21:05,962
Speaker 3: push back, but it's pushed back, probably trying their best

449
00:21:06,002 --> 00:21:07,601
Speaker 3: to explain what's happening.

450
00:21:07,402 --> 00:21:09,922
Speaker 2: Is illegal, right from the Republican Party, from his own ail.

451
00:21:10,042 --> 00:21:12,642
Speaker 3: Yes, Congress is where it's supposed to happen.

452
00:21:12,722 --> 00:21:15,361
Speaker 4: Yeah, the rest the great answer. Yeah. Other thing I

453
00:21:15,402 --> 00:21:17,202
Speaker 4: was thinking just because this week he had a new

454
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Speaker 4: executive order. Basically it was like, you know, expanding executive

455
00:21:20,842 --> 00:21:23,922
Speaker 4: authority even further and basically telling the courts like, actually,

456
00:21:23,962 --> 00:21:26,082
Speaker 4: we're we're the ones who are gonna interpret the law

457
00:21:26,122 --> 00:21:28,242
Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, even though the constitution like

458
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Speaker 4: says that's what judicial branch is for. And he's like,

459
00:21:31,002 --> 00:21:33,682
Speaker 4: now we're not really doing that whole constitution thing anymore.

460
00:21:33,722 --> 00:21:36,922
Speaker 4: But but I was thinking because of that, I was like,

461
00:21:36,962 --> 00:21:41,482
Speaker 4: it's wild that that's the idea, that one thing, like

462
00:21:41,882 --> 00:21:45,682
Speaker 4: an example, something is completely bipotterson and just unquestioned my

463
00:21:45,722 --> 00:21:49,002
Speaker 4: whole life until recently. Was that, like, you know, checks

464
00:21:49,002 --> 00:21:51,402
Speaker 4: and balances, which is the thing you get told over

465
00:21:51,442 --> 00:21:52,962
Speaker 4: and over again as a kid growing up in this country.

466
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Speaker 4: It's like one of the principles were founded on is

467
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Speaker 4: the idea of checks and balances, and that that is

468
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Speaker 4: good right whoever it has the power at any given time.

469
00:22:01,962 --> 00:22:05,362
Speaker 4: The fact that we have that is a good thing, right.

470
00:22:05,562 --> 00:22:08,802
Speaker 4: And that's one of those types of things, like fundamental

471
00:22:08,842 --> 00:22:12,722
Speaker 4: precepts that I just never thought I would see questioned

472
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Speaker 4: by anybody like regular people. I mean, And now they're

473
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Speaker 4: actively trying to dismantle checks amounts and they're being cheered

474
00:22:20,282 --> 00:22:23,161
Speaker 4: on for it, and that's it's all just it's all

475
00:22:23,162 --> 00:22:25,802
Speaker 4: pretty wild. But since you asked me that question, the

476
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Speaker 4: two that I thought of, what's the deal with the

477
00:22:28,162 --> 00:22:32,082
Speaker 4: weather machine? Right? Who actually controls that, and uh, why

478
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Speaker 4: didn't they send to her kind of put the fires

479
00:22:33,922 --> 00:22:35,842
Speaker 4: out in LA when we had that problem out here,

480
00:22:36,442 --> 00:22:38,802
Speaker 4: because it's this is liberal haven out here, so you'd

481
00:22:38,802 --> 00:22:40,922
Speaker 4: think they want to take care of us. And then uh,

482
00:22:40,962 --> 00:22:43,121
Speaker 4: and then what's the real story with COVID. What were

483
00:22:43,122 --> 00:22:46,242
Speaker 4: you guys really doing there trying to put five G

484
00:22:46,362 --> 00:22:50,042
Speaker 4: and everybody? Or were sterilized smart people? I don't know.

485
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Speaker 3: I had retired, so we can't be blamed for either

486
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Speaker 3: of those.

487
00:22:52,762 --> 00:22:53,002
Speaker 4: Yeah.

488
00:22:53,042 --> 00:22:56,321
Speaker 2: So yeah, the conspiracy crazies, they've got their team in

489
00:22:56,362 --> 00:22:59,242
Speaker 2: there now, all the people Lodgerie, Taylor Green her parties

490
00:22:59,242 --> 00:23:03,522
Speaker 2: are in it. It's time to expose the Jewish space laser, right,

491
00:23:03,562 --> 00:23:07,002
Speaker 2: I mean they yes, Well, now let's wheel out, get

492
00:23:07,002 --> 00:23:09,922
Speaker 2: the gurneyes out, and wheel out the aliens that the

493
00:23:09,962 --> 00:23:13,042
Speaker 2: CIA has hit all this time. Right, Let's do the

494
00:23:13,122 --> 00:23:14,282
Speaker 2: Kennedy assassination.

495
00:23:15,002 --> 00:23:17,722
Speaker 3: Still his people in charge, they can do all that.

496
00:23:17,802 --> 00:23:19,602
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's bring it all out there.

497
00:23:19,682 --> 00:23:21,642
Speaker 3: Let's show everybody to find out there's nothing there.

498
00:23:22,242 --> 00:23:24,202
Speaker 4: But they still That's another thing that I don't get

499
00:23:24,322 --> 00:23:26,522
Speaker 4: is like I was just in Kentucky doing shows and

500
00:23:26,562 --> 00:23:29,162
Speaker 4: it was flooding there at the time I saw people,

501
00:23:29,562 --> 00:23:31,402
Speaker 4: some of these people, like on Twitter, they were talking

502
00:23:31,402 --> 00:23:34,802
Speaker 4: about so Elin had been saying, you know, we need

503
00:23:34,802 --> 00:23:38,682
Speaker 4: to audit Fort Knox, right, because we don't even know

504
00:23:38,682 --> 00:23:41,162
Speaker 4: if all that gold is there anymore. It could be

505
00:23:41,242 --> 00:23:44,042
Speaker 4: just standing empty, who knows, you know. And it's like

506
00:23:44,082 --> 00:23:46,442
Speaker 4: my buddy pointed out, He's like, well, if it's been

507
00:23:46,482 --> 00:23:49,401
Speaker 4: empty for a while, that feels like that's been fine.

508
00:23:49,722 --> 00:23:53,321
Speaker 3: Like it's like, I don't like it hasn't really affected.

509
00:23:54,122 --> 00:23:55,722
Speaker 3: We don't know this, We don't know that. What they're

510
00:23:55,762 --> 00:23:57,882
Speaker 3: saying is that they don't know. They went for the government.

511
00:23:58,002 --> 00:23:59,962
Speaker 3: They actually do know if they ask people.

512
00:24:00,122 --> 00:24:01,602
Speaker 4: So they had been saying that we need to audit

513
00:24:01,642 --> 00:24:04,042
Speaker 4: Fort Knox and these people, and it caught up at

514
00:24:04,202 --> 00:24:06,002
Speaker 4: a little traction on like Twitter and stuff between the

515
00:24:06,042 --> 00:24:09,282
Speaker 4: conspiracy theories are like very funny that they're talking about

516
00:24:09,282 --> 00:24:11,842
Speaker 4: auditing Fort Knox and all of a sudden it's flooding there.

517
00:24:11,962 --> 00:24:14,362
Speaker 4: And it's because they're saying, you know, they we employed

518
00:24:14,362 --> 00:24:18,401
Speaker 4: their machine again and mild things like okay, but that

519
00:24:18,562 --> 00:24:21,042
Speaker 4: I thought that was like a Biden administration deep like

520
00:24:21,202 --> 00:24:24,202
Speaker 4: they you guys have taken care of that, haven't you,

521
00:24:24,522 --> 00:24:28,361
Speaker 4: Like you won you've pushed those people out right, So

522
00:24:28,762 --> 00:24:30,402
Speaker 4: where are they? What are they doing that? There's some

523
00:24:30,562 --> 00:24:31,561
Speaker 4: like secret.

524
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Speaker 3: There's always got to be an enemy. So I have

525
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Speaker 3: a question for you, Tray, do you get threats? There

526
00:24:36,242 --> 00:24:39,202
Speaker 3: was recently a Vanity Fair article called They're Scared Shitless,

527
00:24:39,242 --> 00:24:42,482
Speaker 3: and it talked about how North Carolina Senator Tom Tillis,

528
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Speaker 3: who was claiming that he was going to vote against

529
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Speaker 3: Pete Haygesith for Secretary of Defense, that the FBI went

530
00:24:48,322 --> 00:24:50,442
Speaker 3: to and warned him about a series of credible death

531
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Speaker 3: threats against him because he was going to vote against

532
00:24:52,682 --> 00:24:56,602
Speaker 3: the presidents. Now me, do you get threats from people

533
00:24:56,602 --> 00:24:57,722
Speaker 3: who really don't like what you're doing?

534
00:24:57,882 --> 00:24:59,762
Speaker 4: Early on, when I first popped, first became a thing,

535
00:24:59,762 --> 00:25:01,522
Speaker 4: and I was kind of all over the place briefly,

536
00:25:01,602 --> 00:25:04,042
Speaker 4: like on the Internet, I got a lot of messages

537
00:25:04,082 --> 00:25:06,642
Speaker 4: from people and dms and stuff that a lot of

538
00:25:06,642 --> 00:25:08,842
Speaker 4: them are just like Colin at gay in various ways

539
00:25:08,882 --> 00:25:11,722
Speaker 4: or whatever, or having conspiracy theories about me. It's like

540
00:25:12,282 --> 00:25:16,401
Speaker 4: I'm a secret Jewish actor from New York who's been

541
00:25:16,442 --> 00:25:21,602
Speaker 4: installed by the Obama administration to like propagate liberal propaganda

542
00:25:21,642 --> 00:25:24,442
Speaker 4: in rural America. Right. That was a conspiracy theory, so

543
00:25:24,882 --> 00:25:27,442
Speaker 4: stuff like that. But I would get some that were

544
00:25:27,482 --> 00:25:31,202
Speaker 4: like threatening violence, you know, and however, ways, and I

545
00:25:31,282 --> 00:25:32,842
Speaker 4: got a few death threats and that type of thing,

546
00:25:32,882 --> 00:25:35,722
Speaker 4: but they were like here and there, and I mostly

547
00:25:35,802 --> 00:25:38,562
Speaker 4: just like laughed them off or ignored it. Over the years,

548
00:25:38,642 --> 00:25:41,202
Speaker 4: they've gotten much less and less because those people are

549
00:25:41,242 --> 00:25:44,842
Speaker 4: not generally what you know, their algorithms, not showing them

550
00:25:44,882 --> 00:25:47,082
Speaker 4: my stuff. For the most part, it's mostly just it'll

551
00:25:47,082 --> 00:25:50,601
Speaker 4: be hateful comments or whatever. And I have known people

552
00:25:51,082 --> 00:25:54,722
Speaker 4: who are like, don't have as large of a following

553
00:25:54,802 --> 00:25:57,522
Speaker 4: as me, but have gotten on the radar of some

554
00:25:57,642 --> 00:26:01,162
Speaker 4: of these guys. Right, I don't know how or why

555
00:26:01,282 --> 00:26:04,282
Speaker 4: I have not gotten that kind of attention so far.

556
00:26:05,402 --> 00:26:08,121
Speaker 4: I'm maybe I'm just again, I'm just either not on

557
00:26:08,162 --> 00:26:12,361
Speaker 4: their radar or they don't. They think I'm just a

558
00:26:12,442 --> 00:26:15,321
Speaker 4: silly thing that's not serious, which is fine with me

559
00:26:15,402 --> 00:26:18,522
Speaker 4: because I am a comedian. So I ask myself sometimes

560
00:26:18,522 --> 00:26:21,121
Speaker 4: like if that does happen, if I start getting that

561
00:26:21,202 --> 00:26:22,922
Speaker 4: type of attention the way you hear all these stories

562
00:26:22,922 --> 00:26:25,082
Speaker 4: about all the time, what am I gonna do? Because

563
00:26:25,122 --> 00:26:27,561
Speaker 4: like I said, I am married, I do have kids,

564
00:26:27,562 --> 00:26:29,802
Speaker 4: and it would you know, that shit would be freaky.

565
00:26:29,882 --> 00:26:31,762
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, you were about these people, even

566
00:26:31,802 --> 00:26:34,402
Speaker 4: that one guy, like even people on their side like that,

567
00:26:34,402 --> 00:26:36,121
Speaker 4: that guy who was like a big he was like

568
00:26:36,162 --> 00:26:39,842
Speaker 4: a big sort of leader in the process of January sixth,

569
00:26:39,922 --> 00:26:41,762
Speaker 4: on the day of and then later they decided that

570
00:26:41,802 --> 00:26:43,962
Speaker 4: he actually was one of your people who worked for

571
00:26:44,002 --> 00:26:47,321
Speaker 4: the deep state. Right then he was installed there and

572
00:26:47,362 --> 00:26:50,561
Speaker 4: this guy here maga and loves Trump. They just decided

573
00:26:50,602 --> 00:26:52,442
Speaker 4: he was that secret deep state. And then he had

574
00:26:52,442 --> 00:26:54,602
Speaker 4: to like go into hiding and shit with his wife

575
00:26:54,682 --> 00:26:56,802
Speaker 4: and like leave there out because of you know, the

576
00:26:56,842 --> 00:27:00,522
Speaker 4: threats they were getting, how harassed they got. So it's like, yeah,

577
00:27:00,562 --> 00:27:02,282
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's like a list you get you

578
00:27:02,402 --> 00:27:04,561
Speaker 4: find yourself on at some point and they'll like do

579
00:27:04,602 --> 00:27:07,802
Speaker 4: everything they can to make your life hell. And thankfully

580
00:27:07,802 --> 00:27:10,242
Speaker 4: that hasn't happened to me yet and I'm hoping obviously

581
00:27:10,282 --> 00:27:11,162
Speaker 4: that it doesn't.

582
00:27:11,482 --> 00:27:14,081
Speaker 2: Is Trump good for you? So I've got friends who

583
00:27:14,082 --> 00:27:15,882
Speaker 2: are journalists. Now I never hit when it was on

584
00:27:15,922 --> 00:27:19,042
Speaker 2: the inside, and after their third drink, they'll say, at

585
00:27:19,122 --> 00:27:23,202
Speaker 2: least people are like animated now Trump hate and releiveled,

586
00:27:23,282 --> 00:27:25,922
Speaker 2: but it's he's an animating character, and he's like in

587
00:27:26,002 --> 00:27:28,922
Speaker 2: the headlines all the time, and he's journalists are building

588
00:27:29,002 --> 00:27:32,522
Speaker 2: their careers off of either opposing him or digging shit

589
00:27:32,642 --> 00:27:36,682
Speaker 2: up or lick spittling him and praising him. So, well,

590
00:27:36,722 --> 00:27:41,082
Speaker 2: how do you see you yourself in this in this biasphere?

591
00:27:41,202 --> 00:27:43,162
Speaker 4: Yeah, people were bringing it up to me too or

592
00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:45,121
Speaker 4: asking me about that the first time around, also in

593
00:27:45,162 --> 00:27:47,081
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. That's like what I said then and not

594
00:27:47,162 --> 00:27:49,202
Speaker 4: think it's still true this time around too. Is like

595
00:27:49,762 --> 00:27:51,802
Speaker 4: I would as somebody who lives in this country and

596
00:27:51,882 --> 00:27:54,881
Speaker 4: has kids and all this stuff, like it's this is

597
00:27:54,922 --> 00:27:58,242
Speaker 4: not worth it to me, But it would be disingenuous

598
00:27:58,242 --> 00:28:02,682
Speaker 4: of me to not acknowledge that this probably is like

599
00:28:02,962 --> 00:28:06,601
Speaker 4: a quote unquote good thing for me professionally considering what

600
00:28:06,682 --> 00:28:09,802
Speaker 4: I do, Like I probably do benefit from this ultimately,

601
00:28:10,042 --> 00:28:12,522
Speaker 4: and did the first time round as well. But on

602
00:28:12,562 --> 00:28:15,882
Speaker 4: the other hand, in the run up went Biden twenty

603
00:28:15,882 --> 00:28:18,442
Speaker 4: and everything, everybody naively thought, you know, now that all

604
00:28:18,482 --> 00:28:21,402
Speaker 4: that's over forever, what are you know? What are you

605
00:28:21,442 --> 00:28:23,042
Speaker 4: what are you gonna do now? What are you gonna talk?

606
00:28:23,082 --> 00:28:25,682
Speaker 4: When I was always like, it'll be fine. I've been

607
00:28:25,722 --> 00:28:28,842
Speaker 4: this country long enough to know, especially now at this point,

608
00:28:28,962 --> 00:28:32,842
Speaker 4: there's always gonna be dumb shit happening that it needs

609
00:28:32,882 --> 00:28:35,202
Speaker 4: to be made fun of, regardless of who's in charge.

610
00:28:35,202 --> 00:28:37,202
Speaker 4: So I think I'll be fine. And I was. I mean,

611
00:28:37,242 --> 00:28:39,242
Speaker 4: I had, you know, I was in I didn't like

612
00:28:39,362 --> 00:28:41,562
Speaker 4: go back to my old job during the Biden administration,

613
00:28:41,722 --> 00:28:43,882
Speaker 4: just crawl back out of my internet hole when Trump

614
00:28:43,962 --> 00:28:46,402
Speaker 4: got reelected, like I was still doing it all the

615
00:28:46,642 --> 00:28:49,402
Speaker 4: that whole time. But now, but yeah, it's been you know,

616
00:28:50,282 --> 00:28:53,482
Speaker 4: my numbers will have gone up recently and probably will

617
00:28:53,482 --> 00:28:56,242
Speaker 4: continue to do so, and that means ticket sales and

618
00:28:56,282 --> 00:28:58,842
Speaker 4: all that stuff, probably, and it's because of you know,

619
00:28:59,402 --> 00:29:01,922
Speaker 4: the current state of things politically. But again, if I

620
00:29:01,962 --> 00:29:06,362
Speaker 4: could snap my fingers and be doing somewhat less well

621
00:29:06,442 --> 00:29:08,962
Speaker 4: but feel better about the future of the country, I

622
00:29:08,962 --> 00:29:11,602
Speaker 4: would take that trade in a heartbeat. But yeah, it

623
00:29:11,642 --> 00:29:14,242
Speaker 4: probably does help me a little bit for now up

624
00:29:14,362 --> 00:29:18,842
Speaker 4: until a point like when the like Water Wars starts

625
00:29:19,002 --> 00:29:21,722
Speaker 4: or whatever, or I don't know, people are gonna going

626
00:29:21,722 --> 00:29:24,882
Speaker 4: to comedy shows in the after times or during the

627
00:29:24,922 --> 00:29:28,562
Speaker 4: Second Civil War or whatever, so we'll see. I had

628
00:29:29,002 --> 00:29:33,482
Speaker 4: thought and planned that if Harris Wallas had won, my

629
00:29:33,682 --> 00:29:38,722
Speaker 4: plan was to gradually drift away from heavy politics stuff

630
00:29:38,722 --> 00:29:41,282
Speaker 4: into more just regular stand up clips, and I even

631
00:29:41,322 --> 00:29:43,922
Speaker 4: started making like cooking videos and stuff like that, just

632
00:29:43,962 --> 00:29:46,682
Speaker 4: it's like regular funny stuff and not have to talk

633
00:29:46,722 --> 00:29:49,082
Speaker 4: about politics all the time. Because I've been thinking, if

634
00:29:49,122 --> 00:29:50,882
Speaker 4: they had won, then maybe we can all try to

635
00:29:50,922 --> 00:29:53,402
Speaker 4: put some of this behind us as a people. Obviously

636
00:29:53,482 --> 00:29:56,282
Speaker 4: didn't work out that way, and when when that, when

637
00:29:56,322 --> 00:29:58,162
Speaker 4: what happened happened, I was like, well, Okay, I guess

638
00:29:58,162 --> 00:30:00,762
Speaker 4: I'm still doing my thing for a while.

639
00:30:02,722 --> 00:30:04,762
Speaker 2: It's cause perception. We'll be right back.

640
00:30:14,122 --> 00:30:16,802
Speaker 3: Talking about theories. Do you think there's a greater tendency

641
00:30:16,842 --> 00:30:20,682
Speaker 3: towards conspiracy theories on the right wing or in rural communities.

642
00:30:21,002 --> 00:30:23,482
Speaker 3: And one of the things that leads me to ask

643
00:30:23,562 --> 00:30:26,682
Speaker 3: that is I recall a few years ago there was

644
00:30:26,722 --> 00:30:30,282
Speaker 3: a journalist that had been coming back from covering civil

645
00:30:30,322 --> 00:30:32,562
Speaker 3: wars and poverty in the Third World for a long time,

646
00:30:33,162 --> 00:30:35,802
Speaker 3: and he was getting interviewed one of these podcasts, New

647
00:30:35,882 --> 00:30:38,202
Speaker 3: York Times podcasts, and they asked him, do you see

648
00:30:38,642 --> 00:30:40,522
Speaker 3: a similar breakdown here that's going to lead to a

649
00:30:40,522 --> 00:30:43,002
Speaker 3: civil war or whatever? And I was expecting to say, oh, yes,

650
00:30:43,082 --> 00:30:45,682
Speaker 3: and he said no, because in the places where he

651
00:30:45,882 --> 00:30:49,242
Speaker 3: was they had real problems, like they were really poor,

652
00:30:49,322 --> 00:30:51,842
Speaker 3: they couldn't eat, they were actually killing each other, and

653
00:30:51,922 --> 00:30:54,802
Speaker 3: here it seems like it's middle class, board white guys.

654
00:30:54,922 --> 00:30:58,322
Speaker 3: So do you think there's a regional piece to this

655
00:30:58,682 --> 00:31:01,402
Speaker 3: or a rural piece to this, or what is it?

656
00:31:01,922 --> 00:31:04,522
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, the thing that that journalist said

657
00:31:04,642 --> 00:31:06,602
Speaker 4: is like a version of a thing that I like

658
00:31:06,682 --> 00:31:08,562
Speaker 4: try to tell myself to sleep at night or whatever.

659
00:31:08,682 --> 00:31:11,002
Speaker 4: So I've heard other people say it to Americans don't

660
00:31:11,082 --> 00:31:14,162
Speaker 4: really realize how we look around and like, oh god,

661
00:31:14,202 --> 00:31:16,722
Speaker 4: the sky's fall, this is horrible and everything, and it's like,

662
00:31:16,762 --> 00:31:19,642
Speaker 4: as compared to a lot so many places in the

663
00:31:19,682 --> 00:31:21,122
Speaker 4: world and the shit that goes on there, it's like

664
00:31:21,242 --> 00:31:25,402
Speaker 4: it's still it's still pretty nice here, you know, and

665
00:31:25,602 --> 00:31:27,162
Speaker 4: we don't know how good we got it. And I

666
00:31:27,202 --> 00:31:30,922
Speaker 4: try to remind myself of that. But I didn't. I

667
00:31:31,002 --> 00:31:33,722
Speaker 4: would not used to. I would not have thought that

668
00:31:34,242 --> 00:31:37,642
Speaker 4: it necessarily was the right leaning thing. Conspiracy theories. It's like,

669
00:31:37,682 --> 00:31:39,522
Speaker 4: that's one thing I've lamented is like I used to,

670
00:31:39,522 --> 00:31:42,482
Speaker 4: I was ever really into them. I've always liked aliens

671
00:31:42,522 --> 00:31:44,602
Speaker 4: and stuff and UFO stuff and that type of thing.

672
00:31:45,322 --> 00:31:49,442
Speaker 4: I like Oliver Stone's JFK movie and listening to podcasts

673
00:31:49,482 --> 00:31:52,122
Speaker 4: about that stuff and whatever else, And it was always

674
00:31:52,202 --> 00:31:55,042
Speaker 4: kind of a silly, fun thing to me, conspiracy theories.

675
00:31:55,082 --> 00:31:55,282
Speaker 2: You know.

676
00:31:55,402 --> 00:31:57,602
Speaker 4: I smoked a little bit too much weed one time

677
00:31:57,642 --> 00:31:59,722
Speaker 4: in college and watched the wrong YouTube video and for

678
00:31:59,722 --> 00:32:01,482
Speaker 4: a couple hours after that, I was like, Damn Bush

679
00:32:01,482 --> 00:32:03,482
Speaker 4: did nine to eleven, you know, like that type of thing.

680
00:32:03,522 --> 00:32:05,962
Speaker 4: Then I shook it off later, but and like that's

681
00:32:05,962 --> 00:32:09,442
Speaker 4: another good example. I feel like that was a the whole,

682
00:32:09,482 --> 00:32:11,442
Speaker 4: like nine to eleven being an inside job and something

683
00:32:11,482 --> 00:32:14,602
Speaker 4: that Bush did, like that conspiracy theory that was there

684
00:32:14,682 --> 00:32:17,722
Speaker 4: was any of people on the left tour all about

685
00:32:17,762 --> 00:32:20,722
Speaker 4: that because it was an anti Bush thing. So no

686
00:32:21,202 --> 00:32:24,682
Speaker 4: used to know. But now I feel like it's undeniable

687
00:32:24,842 --> 00:32:27,682
Speaker 4: that it's like right wing coded, And I think it's

688
00:32:27,722 --> 00:32:30,482
Speaker 4: a combination of things where it's like the rise of

689
00:32:30,682 --> 00:32:34,122
Speaker 4: QAnon and it begetting as big and mainstream as it did,

690
00:32:34,162 --> 00:32:38,962
Speaker 4: and it kind of becoming like intrinsically linked with MAGA

691
00:32:39,002 --> 00:32:42,082
Speaker 4: and Trump and the right, and also how all encompassing

692
00:32:42,162 --> 00:32:44,722
Speaker 4: it is. It's like it will wrap up anything into itself,

693
00:32:44,762 --> 00:32:45,762
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's like any kind of

694
00:32:45,802 --> 00:32:48,202
Speaker 4: conspiracy theory can get connected back to this larger one

695
00:32:48,242 --> 00:32:50,402
Speaker 4: type thing and it and there it's people on the

696
00:32:50,482 --> 00:32:53,562
Speaker 4: right largely. And then uh, and then I think a

697
00:32:53,562 --> 00:32:56,962
Speaker 4: lot of like pied type stuff, you know, Like I'm

698
00:32:57,002 --> 00:33:00,042
Speaker 4: not not blaming things on Joe Rogan, but I'm saying

699
00:33:00,122 --> 00:33:04,322
Speaker 4: like that what realm of influence is tied to get

700
00:33:04,362 --> 00:33:06,362
Speaker 4: you know, again, like early Joe Rogan and that there's

701
00:33:06,402 --> 00:33:09,122
Speaker 4: like a crossover. He loved talking about conspiracy theories and

702
00:33:09,122 --> 00:33:11,282
Speaker 4: aliens and all that shit that's used to be mostly

703
00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:13,642
Speaker 4: all of what he did. And then you can see

704
00:33:13,642 --> 00:33:16,242
Speaker 4: how they've got it's gotten mixed together with the politics

705
00:33:16,242 --> 00:33:18,202
Speaker 4: of the right over the years, just by looking at

706
00:33:18,242 --> 00:33:20,682
Speaker 4: his show as like a case study or an example.

707
00:33:21,122 --> 00:33:23,402
Speaker 4: And that sucks because like some again, sometimes I could

708
00:33:23,402 --> 00:33:25,522
Speaker 4: think they're fun, right, but I don't want to be

709
00:33:26,362 --> 00:33:29,522
Speaker 4: even jokingly part of the current version of the world

710
00:33:29,522 --> 00:33:33,722
Speaker 4: of conspiracy theories. It's just another thing that's been co

711
00:33:33,802 --> 00:33:36,362
Speaker 4: opted and ruined by the far right. As far as

712
00:33:36,402 --> 00:33:38,682
Speaker 4: I'm concerned, we used to have fun with conspiracy theories

713
00:33:38,682 --> 00:33:40,362
Speaker 4: in this country and now they're dangerous.

714
00:33:40,482 --> 00:33:43,202
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, in high school, there was like who

715
00:33:43,282 --> 00:33:46,562
Speaker 2: really built the pyramids or space aliens? And you know,

716
00:33:46,562 --> 00:33:48,842
Speaker 2: you can enjoy that on any any part of the

717
00:33:48,842 --> 00:33:51,762
Speaker 2: political spectrum. But one of my things that I'm sort

718
00:33:51,762 --> 00:33:54,202
Speaker 2: of gobsfick and still dealing with. But it was like

719
00:33:54,722 --> 00:33:56,682
Speaker 2: where I come from, I think where you do too,

720
00:33:56,722 --> 00:33:59,402
Speaker 2: you know, sort of like a small town, the military

721
00:33:59,642 --> 00:34:02,162
Speaker 2: was always sacred, sinct. It was also a place where

722
00:34:02,242 --> 00:34:03,762
Speaker 2: kids coming out of high school, we can get a

723
00:34:03,922 --> 00:34:05,842
Speaker 2: job and you can see the world. You can make

724
00:34:05,882 --> 00:34:08,522
Speaker 2: something of yourself with a we had a pickle plan

725
00:34:08,602 --> 00:34:11,122
Speaker 2: in town, right and it closed down, and kodaks like,

726
00:34:11,362 --> 00:34:13,842
Speaker 2: you can always join the Marines, right, yes, yes, and

727
00:34:13,882 --> 00:34:15,761
Speaker 2: a lot of people did. And if you didn't go

728
00:34:15,761 --> 00:34:19,001
Speaker 2: to college. So with with the right now with Trump,

729
00:34:19,122 --> 00:34:22,201
Speaker 2: what they've broken is really the military isn't sac or

730
00:34:22,201 --> 00:34:25,402
Speaker 2: saint anymore. When Trump got up and said that John

731
00:34:25,522 --> 00:34:30,682
Speaker 2: McKay is a fucking loser, freaking being held and tortured

732
00:34:30,682 --> 00:34:34,482
Speaker 2: by the North Vietnamese, and people bought that, and people

733
00:34:34,522 --> 00:34:36,761
Speaker 2: bought that in my tone too. You know, Trump's saying

734
00:34:36,802 --> 00:34:39,482
Speaker 2: that generals are stupid and the military of a bunch

735
00:34:39,522 --> 00:34:42,241
Speaker 2: of pussies. Right, what's your sense of like where you

736
00:34:42,362 --> 00:34:46,522
Speaker 2: come from, is the military not being held in high

737
00:34:46,562 --> 00:34:49,681
Speaker 2: regard anymore. I thought that was the bedrock thing me too.

738
00:34:49,842 --> 00:34:52,321
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nothing like I was saying earlier about checks

739
00:34:52,322 --> 00:34:54,201
Speaker 4: and balances or whatever. The military is the type of

740
00:34:54,282 --> 00:34:56,841
Speaker 4: thing that I thought would not everybody called into quest.

741
00:34:56,882 --> 00:34:58,602
Speaker 4: That was one of the craziest things that I ever

742
00:34:58,682 --> 00:35:00,402
Speaker 4: saw Trump do, is when he did the things like

743
00:35:00,442 --> 00:35:02,881
Speaker 4: you're talking about. He got caught calling you know, dead

744
00:35:02,922 --> 00:35:04,922
Speaker 4: soldiers losers and all this type of shit he's done

745
00:35:04,922 --> 00:35:07,161
Speaker 4: over the years. It's like, I can't believe that this

746
00:35:07,282 --> 00:35:09,002
Speaker 4: is okay with everybody, because that was like the one

747
00:35:09,042 --> 00:35:11,602
Speaker 4: thing you could never ever do. And it's all this

748
00:35:11,722 --> 00:35:14,402
Speaker 4: dose stuff. And they've just recently started talking about, oh,

749
00:35:14,402 --> 00:35:16,522
Speaker 4: they're actually going to cut some of the defense budget.

750
00:35:16,602 --> 00:35:18,442
Speaker 4: And this part is hard for me because I've spent

751
00:35:18,722 --> 00:35:21,362
Speaker 4: years being like, we should cut some of the defense,

752
00:35:22,202 --> 00:35:23,642
Speaker 4: Like for most of my life it's like, God, I

753
00:35:23,642 --> 00:35:25,522
Speaker 4: really wish we could cut some of the defense budget

754
00:35:25,522 --> 00:35:27,882
Speaker 4: and focus more on space travel and going to Mars.

755
00:35:27,922 --> 00:35:30,602
Speaker 4: And it's like without the monkey's Paul curls, right, this

756
00:35:30,762 --> 00:35:33,402
Speaker 4: is the version of the world that's happening. But I

757
00:35:33,442 --> 00:35:35,722
Speaker 4: think it's like, I don't know for sure, but I

758
00:35:35,762 --> 00:35:38,681
Speaker 4: think it's like they still have an idea, an idealized

759
00:35:38,762 --> 00:35:41,322
Speaker 4: version of the military that is sacro sanct in their head.

760
00:35:41,362 --> 00:35:43,842
Speaker 4: And it's like they think that the present day military,

761
00:35:43,962 --> 00:35:46,522
Speaker 4: like so many things, has been like co opted and

762
00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:49,841
Speaker 4: ruined by like wokeism and dei stuff and that type

763
00:35:49,882 --> 00:35:51,681
Speaker 4: of thing, or you know, the military is like gone

764
00:35:51,722 --> 00:35:54,881
Speaker 4: woke with military leadership. So the military has lost its way,

765
00:35:55,282 --> 00:35:58,801
Speaker 4: I think and gotten all woke and shit is how

766
00:35:58,842 --> 00:36:01,562
Speaker 4: they justify being anti military right now. And it's like

767
00:36:01,602 --> 00:36:05,682
Speaker 4: they just they want to they the real American military

768
00:36:05,722 --> 00:36:08,482
Speaker 4: that they like, remember, it's like it's still attainable and

769
00:36:08,522 --> 00:36:11,362
Speaker 4: that's still like the gold standard and it is sacro

770
00:36:11,522 --> 00:36:15,322
Speaker 4: sanc but it's just been bastardized in the current version

771
00:36:15,362 --> 00:36:17,122
Speaker 4: of it. That's why you can shit all over it

772
00:36:17,161 --> 00:36:18,482
Speaker 4: is because of that. So you got to get it

773
00:36:18,522 --> 00:36:20,122
Speaker 4: back to the old way or something.

774
00:36:20,282 --> 00:36:20,442
Speaker 2: Well.

775
00:36:20,442 --> 00:36:23,042
Speaker 3: The next one then is similar, is like how do

776
00:36:23,122 --> 00:36:25,681
Speaker 3: we become pro Russian, like for Christ's sake, Like.

777
00:36:25,762 --> 00:36:28,442
Speaker 4: Yes, that's that one is nuh because again growing up

778
00:36:28,482 --> 00:36:30,841
Speaker 4: here and my whole life, you know, I mean, they're

779
00:36:30,882 --> 00:36:33,922
Speaker 4: the bad guys in every movie and everything. It's like

780
00:36:33,962 --> 00:36:36,442
Speaker 4: the cold war was such it ended when I was

781
00:36:36,482 --> 00:36:38,642
Speaker 4: like a kid, but it was still just like such

782
00:36:38,642 --> 00:36:41,562
Speaker 4: a huge part of everything, and it's I just never

783
00:36:41,922 --> 00:36:43,802
Speaker 4: I don't know, Uh, it's a big part of Like

784
00:36:43,842 --> 00:36:46,402
Speaker 4: how so many people demonize the left overall apperiod or

785
00:36:46,442 --> 00:36:48,842
Speaker 4: socialism being a dirty word is because they got associated

786
00:36:48,882 --> 00:36:51,241
Speaker 4: with the evils of communism and Soviet Russia and that

787
00:36:51,282 --> 00:36:53,281
Speaker 4: being the enemy and all that, and it was just

788
00:36:53,282 --> 00:36:56,241
Speaker 4: never questioned. It's communism is still evil and socialism by

789
00:36:56,242 --> 00:37:00,122
Speaker 4: proxy and all that. But now Russia's awesome because of

790
00:37:00,882 --> 00:37:02,522
Speaker 4: I don't know, Putin's.

791
00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:04,882
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to get people to watch Red Dawn again.

792
00:37:05,002 --> 00:37:05,962
Speaker 2: It's the ru Yeah.

793
00:37:05,962 --> 00:37:07,882
Speaker 3: I lived in Russia and I've been working on Russia

794
00:37:07,922 --> 00:37:10,681
Speaker 3: things for a long time and it's not awesome. Yeah,

795
00:37:10,922 --> 00:37:12,241
Speaker 3: but I you know what I think it is. And

796
00:37:12,282 --> 00:37:14,282
Speaker 3: you what's so good about your comedy trade is you

797
00:37:14,362 --> 00:37:17,122
Speaker 3: focus on what has happened I think in this country

798
00:37:17,242 --> 00:37:21,002
Speaker 3: is we've defined our enemies as internal enemies rather than

799
00:37:21,322 --> 00:37:23,362
Speaker 3: external enemies. Like when we grew up, it was like

800
00:37:23,402 --> 00:37:25,922
Speaker 3: there was external enemies and we disagreed with each other,

801
00:37:25,962 --> 00:37:28,281
Speaker 3: but we're on the same side against external I think

802
00:37:28,282 --> 00:37:30,482
Speaker 3: one of the geniuses that Trump picked up on that

803
00:37:30,562 --> 00:37:33,642
Speaker 3: was already out there. Was if I can make Hillary

804
00:37:33,642 --> 00:37:36,882
Speaker 3: Clinton the enemy, then anything I say or do is

805
00:37:36,922 --> 00:37:39,682
Speaker 3: okay because it's attacking that, because they're the real enemy,

806
00:37:39,722 --> 00:37:41,082
Speaker 3: not anybody else.

807
00:37:41,202 --> 00:37:44,201
Speaker 2: So true, what's your favorite conspiracy theory? And I hope

808
00:37:44,242 --> 00:37:46,241
Speaker 2: it has to do with CIA, so we can maybe

809
00:37:46,322 --> 00:37:47,122
Speaker 2: address it for you.

810
00:37:47,602 --> 00:37:50,841
Speaker 4: My definitely the favorite genre of them, at least I guess,

811
00:37:51,002 --> 00:37:54,882
Speaker 4: is all aliens and UFO stuffything from like Rosswelt through

812
00:37:54,922 --> 00:37:58,242
Speaker 4: the drones or whatever, and all the stuff that people say,

813
00:37:58,282 --> 00:38:01,042
Speaker 4: and then we can't talk about any of that, right, See,

814
00:38:01,161 --> 00:38:05,362
Speaker 4: I have aliens in an underground bunker somewhere or alien

815
00:38:05,402 --> 00:38:07,482
Speaker 4: tech or whatever. It's like one of those things where

816
00:38:07,482 --> 00:38:10,761
Speaker 4: it's like, basically, do I think that aliens probably exist

817
00:38:10,842 --> 00:38:13,362
Speaker 4: somewhere in the universe? Yes, mathematically I think that they

818
00:38:13,402 --> 00:38:15,722
Speaker 4: probably do. Do I think that like the drownes in

819
00:38:15,762 --> 00:38:17,842
Speaker 4: New Jersey and shit, or like aliens sur violence or

820
00:38:17,842 --> 00:38:19,882
Speaker 4: any of that stuff. No, I don't.

821
00:38:20,202 --> 00:38:23,922
Speaker 3: There was a senator from Nevada, Reid, who was really

822
00:38:24,082 --> 00:38:26,842
Speaker 3: was obsessed with this for years, obviously at Area fifty

823
00:38:26,882 --> 00:38:29,322
Speaker 3: one is in Nevada and stuff, and so he pushed

824
00:38:29,362 --> 00:38:31,842
Speaker 3: the defense Department and the Intelligence he used to create

825
00:38:32,402 --> 00:38:35,161
Speaker 3: some version of looking at things that we couldn't figure out.

826
00:38:35,202 --> 00:38:38,642
Speaker 3: And there's been a congress variety of hearings and this

827
00:38:38,682 --> 00:38:40,522
Speaker 3: and that, and of course none of it really answers

828
00:38:40,602 --> 00:38:42,602
Speaker 3: any of this. And of course the thing is, every

829
00:38:42,642 --> 00:38:45,522
Speaker 3: time you try to answer these things, it just makes

830
00:38:45,562 --> 00:38:47,602
Speaker 3: people go deeper and say, ah, like they said, hey,

831
00:38:47,682 --> 00:38:50,802
Speaker 3: let out all the JFK stuff, and essentially the intelligence

832
00:38:50,962 --> 00:38:53,361
Speaker 3: just let out all the JFK stuff. But the fact

833
00:38:53,362 --> 00:38:55,562
Speaker 3: there's like two pieces of paper left, they're like, ah,

834
00:38:55,602 --> 00:38:58,602
Speaker 3: that's where the real thing is. You almost can't win

835
00:38:58,642 --> 00:39:00,402
Speaker 3: when you start down this thing. So I think there

836
00:39:00,442 --> 00:39:04,162
Speaker 3: is an office or in the Defense Department and probably

837
00:39:04,161 --> 00:39:06,681
Speaker 3: in the intelligences or that try to do what they

838
00:39:06,722 --> 00:39:09,681
Speaker 3: can to look at things that are unexplainable and see

839
00:39:09,722 --> 00:39:12,682
Speaker 3: if they can't figure things out or if recover things

840
00:39:12,722 --> 00:39:15,562
Speaker 3: that look that way. But in terms of actual alien stuff,

841
00:39:15,602 --> 00:39:17,361
Speaker 3: I spent thirty years in a CIA, and I never

842
00:39:17,402 --> 00:39:18,562
Speaker 3: heard anything but anything.

843
00:39:19,002 --> 00:39:21,241
Speaker 2: We hit an office on this. I think this is big.

844
00:39:21,322 --> 00:39:23,842
Speaker 2: In the seventies and eighties for a while that was

845
00:39:23,922 --> 00:39:28,362
Speaker 2: looking at far seeing and we hired psychics and they

846
00:39:28,362 --> 00:39:30,281
Speaker 2: would sit down and they would sit over a piece

847
00:39:30,282 --> 00:39:32,082
Speaker 2: of paper and drink a coffee and they would like

848
00:39:32,122 --> 00:39:34,122
Speaker 2: sketch something out and they go look for this in

849
00:39:34,282 --> 00:39:37,682
Speaker 2: Atlanta vous stock like a submarine pen. And the only

850
00:39:37,762 --> 00:39:40,522
Speaker 2: reason we had that was because and I can't remember

851
00:39:40,562 --> 00:39:43,322
Speaker 2: was here to read. But there was some influential senator

852
00:39:43,642 --> 00:39:47,442
Speaker 2: who was convinced that this could and he like made

853
00:39:47,482 --> 00:39:50,161
Speaker 2: us do it. He gave us the money. It said,

854
00:39:50,202 --> 00:39:54,402
Speaker 2: fucking do this and it produced nothing. But we're still

855
00:39:54,442 --> 00:39:57,241
Speaker 2: like CIA had an office that did this, Yeah, because

856
00:39:57,282 --> 00:39:58,721
Speaker 2: we were forced to, like.

857
00:39:59,002 --> 00:40:02,082
Speaker 3: It's like mk Ultra, which is in the nineteen fifties, yep.

858
00:40:02,362 --> 00:40:04,762
Speaker 3: There was a concern that we were fighting the Soviet Union,

859
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Speaker 3: and there was all these public TV shows and movies suggests,

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Speaker 3: and a number of people had come back from fighting

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Speaker 3: in Korea and other places, and it seemed to become brainwashed.

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Speaker 3: If you believe communism must because there must have been

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Speaker 3: a drug or a brainwashing that the Soviets had figured out.

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Speaker 3: And so there was a small place of the CIA

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Speaker 3: that was supposed to look into it and test drugs

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Speaker 3: and things to see if this thing existed. I think

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Speaker 3: they they ruined a lot of people's minds but they

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Speaker 3: found out that there was no You could destroy someone's brain,

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Speaker 3: but you can't really reprogram it very right. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was a pretty sad experiment.

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Speaker 2: And I have to say, if we just the way

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Speaker 2: things work in the real world. So John and I

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Speaker 2: are both we've been out for a long time and

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Speaker 2: are measley pensions were not poor, but we're certainly not rich.

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Speaker 2: We could hit the jackpot if we, like said, I

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Speaker 2: know where the aliens are, right, And if there really was,

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Speaker 2: why wouldn't people come out afterwards and say it, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, just or sneak off to the Washington Post

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Speaker 2: or the New York Times or Carlson and go here's yeah,

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Speaker 2: the thousands of us, Why wouldn't wanted to know?

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Speaker 4: That? Is the mind that because over your I thought

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Speaker 4: about I think really like the real conspiracy theory is

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Speaker 4: that it's all way more boring than you think it

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Speaker 4: is and also less effectual than you think of this

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Speaker 4: not as all powerful as a lot of people think

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Speaker 4: it is. And they couldn't don't have the capacity to

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Speaker 4: do a lot of this stuff that people think that

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Speaker 4: has been done. And also, as you just said, it's

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Speaker 4: like the whole moonlanding mean faked or whatever like that one.

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Speaker 4: It's like the sheer number of people that would have

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Speaker 4: to be involved with something like that and never ever

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Speaker 4: even up to it, including their deathbed, say a single

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Speaker 4: thing about it or leak any information out or whatever.

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Speaker 4: And it's like people just people can't do that, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's human nature to It's just impossible. You can't keep

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Speaker 4: a secret like that with that many people. There's like

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Speaker 4: two people maybe can keep a secret, and even when

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Speaker 4: the third person gets involved, it's you're in danger of

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Speaker 4: it getting out. Let alone thousands of people.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, especially in this day and age, he could

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Speaker 3: make some good money off of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they don't stay secret very long.

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Speaker 3: It's been so fun to listen to you. I enjoy

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Speaker 3: falling on social media and I would suggest that people

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Speaker 3: in our audience to look it up Tree Crowder.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Trek Crowder dot com, track Crowder on all

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Speaker 4: the socials and yeah, thanks for having me. It's a fun.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate Troy is tr Ae, So Troy, thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: really really appreciate it.

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