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Speaker 1: Also media.

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Speaker 2: It's the Doctor Laura podcast, but about her, not hers,

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Speaker 2: because she also has one, but it's not about her,

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Speaker 2: although it kind of also is. I'm Robert Evans. This

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Speaker 2: is a show about bad people. Jamie. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the program. How are you doing today? Are you feeling?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I've been on the edge of my seat. I'm wondering.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, maybe I'm she seems litigious? Does that

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Speaker 2: I could. She's got a lawsuit that she made in here.

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Speaker 2: She's got She's had at least one that was unreasonable,

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Speaker 2: but she lost and gave up. She will be talking

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Speaker 2: about a very reasonable over the revenge porn that gets

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Speaker 2: posted of her. Yes, so uh yeah, that one, although

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Speaker 2: it doesn't go her way either, So she has a

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Speaker 2: bad the law.

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Speaker 4: I guess even evil people can be angry about revenge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think we're being pretty fair to

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Speaker 2: her in here. I'm certainly accusing her of anything other

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Speaker 2: than being a kind of media person that I think

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Speaker 2: is unethical. But I still have that right. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: before we get into the story, Jamie, mm hmmm, is

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Speaker 2: not who I meant to call out there. Sophie has

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Speaker 2: a thing to plug.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's hard for we don't have our cameras on.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. In the last couple of days since we recorded this,

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Speaker 1: my family lost our family dog, Sydney, who had been

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Speaker 1: with us for fourteen years, and she was immensely important

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Speaker 1: to us. She was my mom's soul dog and just

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Speaker 1: a light and she We're fortunate enough that she got

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Speaker 1: wonderful end of life care from our vet, but most

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Speaker 1: people can't afford venary care these days because it's so expensive.

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Speaker 1: And I just wanted to plug an organization my vet

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Speaker 1: recommends that does work to help people with who need

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Speaker 1: hardship support during times when their pets might need life

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Speaker 1: saving or life enhancing treatments, and that is Paisley Pause

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Speaker 1: dot org. That's p A I S L E Y

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Speaker 1: p A W S dot org. The dot org is important.

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Speaker 1: There's another thing that's dot com, not dot com, it's

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Speaker 1: dot org. So I just wanted to plug that. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: Sydney was really special. So hug your best comparison.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, your pets the nice food this time. Yeah, don't

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Speaker 2: economize on your pets.

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Speaker 3: Buy them the nice food. Go into debt for your.

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Speaker 2: Pets, go into debt for your pets. You know, rob

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Speaker 2: a bank for your pat A lot of people are

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Speaker 2: doing it this day these days, and it seems like

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Speaker 2: there's no consequences. So you know, watch the movie, watch

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Speaker 2: like the first two thirds of Heat, and like the

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Speaker 2: first I watch like the right six minutes of Reservoir Dogs,

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Speaker 2: and then don't watch anything else from those movies and

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Speaker 2: go go rop a bank.

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Speaker 1: I would just say Cidy was definitely pro crimes.

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Speaker 2: There you go, speaking of crimes.

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Speaker 4: John Wick an entire you know, crime in the Interest

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Speaker 4: of Dogs franchise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, people love committing dog crimes. It's not those kinds.

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Speaker 2: They hate a specific kind of dog crimes.

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Speaker 3: Going half of Dogs, Paisleypaws dot Org.

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Speaker 2: And we're back. We're warmed up, We're ready to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's lock it in, let's lock it out. When

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Speaker 2: we left off with this story, Bill Balance again spelled

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Speaker 2: with two l's, which my spell corrector will never accept.

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Speaker 2: Made me angry. Microsoftware is a crime against humanity. Bill

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Speaker 3: Clippi will Clippi will pay.

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Speaker 2: They all should pay. Bill Ballance and Laura Slashinger had

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Speaker 2: obviously this is the entertainment industry. He is definitely trying

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Speaker 2: It is unclear to me whether she called into that

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Speaker 4: The truth is, I feel like we have yet to

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Speaker 2: Story, not one, not one good source on the life of.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Laura's really challenging because you're just like, every time

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's the right way this book goes, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: pretty full charm offensive. He takes her to dinner at

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Speaker 4: But you know, in the interest of I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Fuck, but like she hasn't do anything I think is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, I mean I feel like this is like,

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Speaker 3: Untalented in radio, like in a you know, ethically valueless sense,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So he wasn't wrong, but he was a pervert.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't wrong, but he was a pervert. And again,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of unknowables here. But Laura becomes a

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Speaker 2: And it was the reason why Bill, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 2: which he does in exchange for fifty thousand dollars. Is god, Oh,

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Speaker 2: he's a real creep. I don't know. I don't actually

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Speaker 2: note that while doctor Laura was an adult when this

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Speaker 2: uh huh. I just want to make just really don't

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Speaker 2: like infantilize her in this Yeah yeah, the way he

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Speaker 2: I'm glad Bill's angry about it, right, I'll say that much,

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Speaker 2: because he definitely sucks.

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Speaker 3: This is also a ship piece of shit, pieces of

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Speaker 3: shit begetting pieces of shit, but a beautiful story.

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Speaker 2: I've heard people allege that like he was basically grooming her.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's certainly a way to look at it.

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Speaker 2: Laura does not describe it that way, but we'll never know.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: In addition to being a massive creep, Bill gives Laura

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Speaker 2: some career advice that's going to prove crucial. He wants

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Speaker 2: he actually does have other than like giving her a

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Speaker 2: How do you get him?

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Speaker 7: Okay, you've been seeing this woman for two years? Are

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Speaker 2: Because you know, what she actually did was get into

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Speaker 3: Honestly, she's a gigantic, fucking hypocrite. I'm like more interested

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Speaker 2: Because for some extent, it's about that constant feeling of

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Speaker 2: that's a lot of what the people who like this

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Speaker 4: Okay, so she is like a manipulative hypocrite.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate taking it back. I take it back. I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm giving great lesson to all of

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Speaker 3: That was a real one. The first one mis fake

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Speaker 2: I'm going to take it with me into these ads.

438
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: Oh wow, No, I'm party to something.

439
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: Here's Here's is coming after you.

440
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: I have bad news, which might also be good news

441
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: for both of you. I know, when each of you

442
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: is real laughing and fake laughing every.

443
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 3: Day I leave that. I've never let myself take that in.

444
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: Of course you do.

445
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all of you?

446
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: Huh and we're back. Ah. What a great time, What

447
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: a great time to be alive. Doctor Laura's world.

448
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 8: So Yes.

449
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: Through the early eighties, Laura got a series of low

450
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: stakes radio gigs at small stations. She spent years trying

451
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: and failing to break into the mainstream on her own

452
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 2: while in order to make money teaching at USC and

453
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: maintaining a private practice. Her first big break was in

454
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 2: September of nineteen eighty three with the nationally syndicated program Breakaway.

455
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: Like a lot of shows, they were trying to capture

456
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: the success Bill Balance had seen by bringing in a

457
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: resident therapist to help gaucket people. Laura does well enough

458
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: in this job that soon she is pitching her first

459
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 2: TV pilot for a show called Conflict Wishes. Uh oh,

460
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 2: if only Fraser would have loved this show.

461
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 3: Fucking dream. I mean, this actually would have been a pretty.

462
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: Good episode of Frasher. The idea would be that, like,

463
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 2: people would come to doctor Laura with problems and they

464
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: would she would give them advice, they would take it,

465
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: and then six weeks later they would come back to

466
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 2: discuss if it had worked. Now, this was not going

467
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: to be a real like even in the pilot they

468
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: do they bring in actors, which is not abnormal for

469
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: reality shows. But when she has a show later, she

470
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: will lie about people being actors. So I'm going to

471
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: assume it would all of it lies. This doesn't sell,

472
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: Laura will continue to try to force her way onto television,

473
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: a dream which she does technically succeed at but never

474
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: really works out for her. She is a radio star, right.

475
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 2: I found a demo reel, which, to my best knowledge

476
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: dates from sometime in the late nineteen eighties to early nineties.

477
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: What stands out to me in this video is that

478
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: this is a Laura who has not yet become the

479
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: person we've heard in the clips that I've played. She

480
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: is less aggressive, more nervous, more focused on actually providing

481
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: some sort of useful feedback.

482
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: And she's wearing a fabulous brooch.

483
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: She is wearing an ice brooch. And I'm going to

484
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: let Jamie play some of this or Sophie play some

485
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: of this audio for me. Well, I women write an

486
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: apology letter for that.

487
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: Hello, Sue, I'll have one.

488
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 9: I want to know how I can tell my daughter

489
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 9: how far she can go on a date and win.

490
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 9: I began to tell her that.

491
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, how old is your daughter?

492
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 9: My daughter is fifteen?

493
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 10: Has she been dating already?

494
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 9: No? Not? I want her to start dating, and I

495
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 9: want to know when to start telling him these things.

496
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 10: How do you assess your daughter? Do you think she's

497
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 10: a bit shy?

498
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

499
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 9: She's very shy, very very shy, and I'm afraid that

500
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 9: she needs to know this because I don't want her

501
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 9: to go too far and trying to win acceptance with

502
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 9: the guy.

503
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 10: Oh so you're it sounds Yeah, I guess I had

504
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 10: a feeling that you were thinking that maybe for her

505
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 10: the sexuality might be a tool for making the connection,

506
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 10: or for communication, or for getting acceptance or approval maya guy.

507
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 9: Right.

508
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, there's a couple times that are really interesting

509
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: about that.

510
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 10: To me.

511
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: For one thing, you would not find that, I think irresponsible.

512
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: That was how a therapist talked to.

513
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: You, right, No, it seems like she was like, uh,

514
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 3: I mean I think she is.

515
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 4: Oh god, there's so much Fraser. There's so much Fraser

516
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 4: low hanging fruit here. She is always like whether she's

517
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: doing a good or a bad job. She's always listening

518
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 4: very carefully. But this was like a non menacing, like

519
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 4: actually instructive kind of listening.

520
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, the question she asked number one, her tone is

521
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: not aggressive, and number two, she's clearly not using it

522
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: too needle, but to actually get more information, which she

523
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: seems to actually process and respond to rather than take

524
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: in a separate direction. Right, Like if this was on

525
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: her show, she would never say Okay, so it seems

526
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: like you think your daughter might be looking at sex

527
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: as a way to connect to people, which is a

528
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: reasonable and fair way to express a worry about like

529
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: a teenager having sex, but without like being judgmental, you're

530
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: just saying, I think maybe they see sex as this

531
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: and so this, you know, I'm concerned that it might

532
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: lead to this or that right in their relationships, as

533
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: opposed to oh, she's she wants to shack up because

534
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: she thinks that's how you get boys to like you

535
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: or something like that would be how Laura would express

536
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: it today.

537
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 4: Right, right, I mean, even the tone that she says

538
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 4: shack up with, like it's just this doesn't feel like

539
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 4: there is an explicit agenda to it, even though it's

540
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 4: like I'm sure that the you know, like advice she's

541
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 4: going to give is like fairly conservative, but like, yeah,

542
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: but it doesn't feel malicious in the way that the

543
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 4: first clip did.

544
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it's because it's really not because at

545
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: this point she doesn't realize how much money that's going

546
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: to make her.

547
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, my therapist has a roommate, So that's how

548
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 4: I know she's.

549
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: Good, Yeah, it's interesting, Like it is actually good therapy

550
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: advice that she gives. Like later in that call, the

551
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: mother discussions that, like, you know, I made a lot

552
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 2: of mistakes when I was her age in regards to relationships.

553
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm afraid she's going to repeat my mistakes. And Laura's

554
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: advice is very responsible. She's like, well, you should go

555
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: to your daughter. You should open up about your own

556
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: life and how you feel about the choices you've made

557
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: and kind of maybe that can guide her to like

558
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: where you are right. And I like, yeah, that's actually

559
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: good advice, you know, not just yelling at your kid,

560
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: not just saying you're not allowed to do this, but

561
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: be like, well, look, you know this is what happened

562
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: to me when I was young, Like this is maybe

563
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: information you should have, and here's how I feel about it.

564
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: I think that that's like responsible advice. It's not like

565
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: overwhelming or shocking advice. But and I think that's why

566
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: this doesn't work. Right. There's no big TV show in

567
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: people having thoughtful therapists consider their problem.

568
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: Reasonable conversations on television.

569
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: You want the worst people you've ever seen being insane

570
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: assholes to each other. That's why always Sonny's been on

571
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: the air for so long.

572
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 7: Well, I really do.

573
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this. I forget what show I

574
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: was watching a clip from it. It might have been

575
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 4: like that show Couples Therapy, but like people either want

576
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: to watch a reasonable person talking to the most unhinged

577
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: like or like most troubled patients imaginable effect yes yes, yeah,

578
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 4: or an unhinged therapist scolding like pretty well adjusted people

579
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 4: and nothing in between.

580
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, sorry, Louis get it. Yeah yeah. Watch Weird Weekends.

581
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: There's a great episode on that with preppers that really

582
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: predicts a lot of our current or at least shows

583
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: the early stage of our current weird militia commact. Great show. Ah,

584
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: louis complicated man. Speaking of complicated people, Laura's life is

585
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: pretty complicated because while she is trying to get a

586
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: radio show and working as a therapist, she and her

587
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: now husband Lou have a kid. Lou had been a

588
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: teacher when they had met at the school she taught

589
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: at and had had to retire in disgrace because of

590
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: everything that happened with doctor Laura, and so he is

591
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: kind of like working as her manager for a bunch

592
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: of this period, I don't think he he is not

593
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: the breadwinner, to be sure. Right, it seems like a

594
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: lot of the family finances are on Laura's shoulder. That's

595
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: the feeling that I get. None of this is like precise,

596
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: but that is at least what I'm led to believe

597
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: by Vicky's book. Who knows how he's.

598
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: Kind of like he's mommaging her a little bit.

599
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: It seems like it if how Vicky's have how the

600
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: mostly anonymous people Vicky quotes like if that's accurate?

601
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: Right, there's so many despicable people attempting to tell this

602
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: totally bad because yeah, you can see a world where

603
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: it's like that is just a tool to make to emasculate.

604
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: No one who doesn't suck has ever been within thirty

605
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: feet of Laura's lensing Like that's the lesson of bits,

606
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: so will never know, will never know.

607
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: There's no Forrest Gup like character to give us insight.

608
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: Tragic. There is, however, a son named Derek with a

609
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: why sorry, OK, it's a spade spelled Derek. There's no

610
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: other way to say. Look, I'm not trying to punch

611
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: down Derek, but.

612
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: Your name is not Derek.

613
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 4: We support you and your I think almost inevitable.

614
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: You know Scott interests.

615
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: A SKA band. Wait wait yeah, d E R y K.

616
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: Thank you Scott.

617
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely he's He's got a name that would have

618
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: made him fit in the mighty mighty Bosstones. Maybe he

619
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: give him the idea to do that embarrassing album about

620
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: George Floyd.

621
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: Oh look, the city hasn't bounced back.

622
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: Scott has not bounced back from that album. No, no,

623
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: it's just something you can't pick it up, pick it up,

624
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: pick it up? After that? Wow, So I love I

625
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: love getting any chance to do a skapit.

626
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: Oh, so you have it.

627
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: A couple years after Derek is born, Laura is going

628
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: to make a major point of like her show, that

629
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: women who have kids should not have a career if

630
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: they can avoid it. That it is not fair to

631
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: raise kids and have a career at the same time

632
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: for a woman. And I want to give you an

633
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: idea of how she talks about this. I want to

634
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: play you a call from a one woman named Rosemary

635
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: who is on track. She claims to be partner at

636
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: a law firm and is trying to decide should I

637
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: get a nanny for my kids. Right, And here is

638
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: Laura's response.

639
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: Rational I'm sure.

640
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 7: If you were your kid, what would you want your

641
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 7: mother to do?

642
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 10: I would definitely want my mom to stay home with me.

643
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 7: That's your answer. I think you should never have had

644
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 7: a child. If becoming a partner and all of that

645
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 7: stuff was that important, you never should have had a child.

646
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Part of the love of it is it's not important

647
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: to me.

648
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 10: I don't even especially lost my job, and I do

649
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 10: love being home with my baby girl.

650
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know why you asked the question. Then

651
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 7: I feel that hearing a lot.

652
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 6: If I'm an internal voice, but also I'm hearing.

653
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 7: I asked you a simple question. If you or your daughter,

654
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 7: what would you want your mother to do? There is

655
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 7: no other debate other than the answer to that, I'd

656
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 7: want to be mothered. You said, why would you even

657
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 7: contemplate something different for your kid than you would want

658
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 7: for yourself. I care about doing much best for my daughter,

659
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 7: and unless you are a really bad mother, having you home.

660
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 7: Uh huh okay, having you home is the best for her.

661
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: Thanks.

662
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 4: Also in this uh, in this window, Sophie just had

663
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: to open the copy, was like, don't buy the feminist

664
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: fly you know.

665
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Laura has a big lot of bits about

666
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: how the feminists have ruined women by making them want careers.

667
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: I just it's I don't know. I it's so frustrating

668
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 4: because it's like, does she ever at any point try

669
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 4: to justify the fact that she has a career. Is

670
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 4: there any exugenation as to why that is, or does

671
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 4: she She's.

672
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 3: Just the exception.

673
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: She lies for one thing, because she says, as a spoiler,

674
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: she says, we spent the for the first three years,

675
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: I didn't leave the house. That's not true. We'll talk

676
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: about But also that's three years. She's not telling this

677
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: woman because maybe her kids are both older than three. Right,

678
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: She's saying, you should quit your job. That could provide

679
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: so well for your family that your kids might be

680
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: taken care of. Right, but you could pay like partner

681
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 2: to law firms, not like a not a shit job.

682
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 9: Right.

683
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: That could be the path to quite a bit of wealth.

684
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: She's saying, give that up because otherwise you will not

685
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: be responsible parent. When what she did was continue to

686
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: work on being a radio personality while her child was

687
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: very young. Right, I don't think that's wrong. I actually

688
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: think that's very impressive. My mom got a second master's

689
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: degree in her late forties while she was raising us

690
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: so that she can start a new career. Right, Yeah,

691
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't if that

692
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: if she were to be honest about who she is.

693
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: The advice to give this woman is, like, you know,

694
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: be cautious of how you know. Once you start having

695
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: your kids watched by an eight, talk to them. Be

696
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: cognizant of how this is affecting them. If you get

697
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: a sense that you know the individual you've picked or

698
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: just this situation is harming them, then you may need

699
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: to reappraise things. But like many children have had a

700
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: nanny a couple of nights a week, especially if they're

701
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: kids who were older, and it's not. When I was

702
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: fucking ten or eleven, I would I loved any time

703
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: one or both of my parents were out because I

704
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: got more time to read books and talk to weird

705
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 2: adults on the internet, which was never.

706
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: Goes bad, unavoidable. No, it's always fine, and unfortunately it

707
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: can't be stopped.

708
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 5: No, not.

709
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: We have learned that it's not the same.

710
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: My parents being home prevented that. It just made it harder.

711
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's obviously like these are, especially if if

712
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: you're an only parent, like it's a complicated, difficult thing.

713
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is, however, you see

714
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: about that Laura literally did the thing where she didn't

715
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: spend all of her time at home to take so

716
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: that she could build her career because she knew how

717
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: much money.

718
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 9: Was in it.

719
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: And she's telling this woman not to do the same thing.

720
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: I think that's shitty, right, That's all I gotta say

721
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 2: on the matter, right. Yeah, So, because this is such

722
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: a through line and her advice to women, Laura makes

723
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: a point to claim that she managed to be doctor Laura.

724
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: She says she only works like two hours a day

725
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: or at least during this period, and then again, she

726
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 2: didn't leave home for the first three years. Vicki Bain

727
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: is going to claim this.

728
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 7: Is a lie.

729
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: Although Laura had been teaching a nighttime graduate level psychology

730
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 2: course at Pepperdine University branches in the San Fernando Valley

731
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: since January nineteen eighty two, she took the fall semester

732
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty five off to prepare for Derek's birth,

733
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: but lou was left to babysit Derek, then two months old.

734
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: When Laura returned to Pepperdine in January nineteen eighty six

735
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: to continue her hour and a half long Tuesday evening

736
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 2: clinical practicum for psychology students, Laura also maintained a Saturday

737
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: private practice, again sharing office on Ventura Boulevard, and in

738
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: mid nineteen eighty six, when Derek with Derek not yet

739
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: six months old, she added another teaching commitment to her

740
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: work at Pepperdine and her private practice. So she's just

741
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: it's just like, does she does the opposite of what

742
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: she said? I don't think that.

743
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: That's yeah, it's like she feels she sounds almost like

744
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: a you know, stereotypical media like projection of like a

745
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 4: working woman of the eighties whose business is talking other

746
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 4: women out of doing that. Like it's just yeah, and

747
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: you know, I'll be damned if that's not a profitable

748
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: I mean, there is just an infinite amount of money

749
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 4: to be made in making women feel horrible about themselves,

750
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: because there's no point in your life where that is

751
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 4: not precedent.

752
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: It's just everything that. From what I can tell, laura

753
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: values in her life comes from the fact that she

754
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: was willing to spend less time with her infant child

755
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: in order to further her careers. Right, Yeah, I don't

756
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: think that's a reasonable choice. She makes a lot of

757
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: money enough to make sure that kid never wants for anything.

758
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not going to come here and say

759
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 2: that's not she did the wrong thing. But the wrong

760
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: thing is like pretending that other people who have that

761
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: chance or just to need to work, because everyone does

762
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: usually that they're being a bad mom, which they're not,

763
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: right right, right, which I.

764
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: Mean, especially in the back half of that like is

765
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 4: just oh, like it made my stomach clench a little

766
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: bit for the for the woman on the phone, like

767
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 4: because she that like soft defense of like I'm not

768
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 4: a bad mother.

769
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: She's like, okay, well then.

770
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: Well then you should be at her job.

771
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: You're like, oh god, they're just like a yeah, it

772
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: is a certain kind of hell.

773
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: Yes. Uh So, while Laura was by her own standards,

774
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: working out of the home and being a bad working

775
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: outside of the home and being a bad mom, she

776
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 2: was also being a bad therapist by anyone's standards.

777
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's her job.

778
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: One of the anonymous sources for Vicky's book is a

779
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: former student of Laura's. So this is a woman taking

780
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: Laura's classes, and during one day when they're talking, Laura

781
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: basically says, you should become my patient at my therapy business. Now,

782
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: I don't think you're allowed to do that's a therapist.

783
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: I think that's probably not ethical, but I don't know.

784
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: It was. It was the eighties, right, A lot more

785
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: everyone is on cocaine, right, so it's hard not to

786
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 2: invite people to be therapized by a baby. Baby Derek

787
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: is doing more cocaine than a nightclub DJ could survive

788
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: doing in modern terms.

789
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 3: Baby Derek dug up some loops. Dudes, He's in the backyard.

790
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: He's good to go.

791
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: It's it's like how alien people talk about the Pyramids,

792
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: Like we have lost the knowledge as a species for

793
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: how to do as much cocaine as they did back then,

794
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: as Baby Derek and doctor Laura are all doing every

795
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: single day.

796
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: A long way the student truth.

797
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm going to continue with that quote from Victory

798
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: Vicky's book. It was her way or no way, the

799
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: said the student turned patient. Basically, I walked in and

800
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: she said, I want you to tape all your sessions.

801
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: I expect all my patients to bring in a tape.

802
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: We use my tape recorder. We're going to tape everything. Basically,

803
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: I think what she was saying was, if you listen

804
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: to this over and over again, you'll get more out

805
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: of it. According to this patient, the tapes were returned

806
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: to her after each session and are still in the

807
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: patient's possession. They document some boundary breaking activities between therapists

808
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 2: and patient. Over the next two and a half years,

809
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: this patient met with Laura almost weekly, paying her one

810
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: hundred dollars an hour for her work. I guess she

811
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: took a liking to me, recalled the patient who added

812
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: and I guess at that point in my life I

813
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: needed the attention. She reeled me in and broke nearly

814
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: every boundary that there is. For example, the former patient said,

815
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: there was a young man she was seeing right before me,

816
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: so we would kind of pass each other there in

817
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: the waiting room. She would talk to me about what

818
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: some of his shoes were. That really freaked me out

819
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: because I wondered if she was telling the next person

820
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: about me. Then there was a very non newscaster who

821
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: was also seeing her as a therapist on the same

822
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: time I was, and Laura talked a little bit about

823
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: him as well. She asked me to babysit her son

824
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: on several occasions. Laura said, I don't talk to my sister,

825
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: and Derek hasn't doesn't have an aunt. I want you

826
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: to be his aunt. So that is a boundary, you know.

827
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: That is bad?

828
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had a therapist be like

829
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: I cannot if I were to meet you out in

830
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: the world, I would like leave immediately and pretend not

831
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: to know you. Yeah, Like, I'm not sure if that's

832
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: the norm for everyone, but you are certainly not supposed

833
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: to ask them to be your aunt or your kid's aunt.

834
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: No, oh, I feel like this.

835
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's I wouldn't go as far as

836
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 4: to say that like doctor Laura's work is directly in

837
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 4: conversation with this, but like the fact that she is

838
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 4: a very like, you know, an increasingly public therapist figure

839
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 4: and then in the eighties feels directly in conversation. But

840
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: like how therapists were presented as these savior figures during

841
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 4: the Satanic Panic too, and just like how this was

842
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: such a popular and like still publicly somewhat trusted grift

843
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 4: despite however, much evidence, like recorded evidence to the contrary.

844
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I I yeah. Anyway, for years after this point,

845
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: Laura and this patient become weirdly remained very close. The

846
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: patient later claimed or claims that Lou was a helicopter

847
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: parent that he or helicopter husband. So basically, this patient

848
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: says Lou was there every class she would do at

849
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: the college. He was always around. He was like obsessed

850
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: with her success. And Derek was not there. So maybe

851
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 2: they even hired a nanny. Right. The good news is

852
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 2: that doctor Laura had enough time while raising a kid

853
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: to start up another business, this one making custom sweaters

854
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: for major film productions. And Jamie, this is where the

855
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: show goes in a shocking direction, because I will bet

856
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: you did not call that the sweater's Whoopee, Goldberg War

857
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: and Sister Act were made by doctor Laura Slusheger. What yes,

858
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: I just man when this was coming across this, Jamie,

859
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: there's an experience. I feel like I am the only

860
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: one who can understand what like pirate captains felt when

861
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 2: they like landed and actually like hit treasure in their shovel, right,

862
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: because that's how it felt. Reading that detail, I am floating.

863
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: Three feet above the ground. The slack from my mic

864
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: to my zoom recorded the only thing tethering me to

865
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 4: the art.

866
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: How how God fascinating stuff. At least one custom sweater.

867
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I love it. It's glorious. She

868
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: also made some of the Lost Boys costumes and hook.

869
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: I just there's no way to be ready for that. No,

870
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: it hits like a like a like a cyclone of.

871
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: Woman's heart as an ocean of secrets, like amazing. Never.

872
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: No, I don't know which sweater in Sister Act that

873
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: doctor Laura made, but it was apparently for whoopee, so well.

874
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: I would be open to Yeah, someone started like a poll.

875
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 4: Some of the watch hook which one is which sweater

876
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 4: is giving you an aura of menace?

877
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: And anyway? Wow wild stuff. Yeah. So Laura is finally

878
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: syndicated on air in the mid nineteen eighties, but she

879
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: loses the show. This is another unhinged twist. The network

880
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: that owns her show is bought by the Liberty Lobby,

881
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: which was founded by a Nazi named Lewis Cartow as

882
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: a political action group for the far right, and also

883
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: published the newspapers Spotlight, which was dedicated to Holocaust denial.

884
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 3: Far less shocking to me than the sweat.

885
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: You know, Laura is number one not a fan of

886
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: people who deny the Holocaust. She is half Jewish. She's

887
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: going to become Orthodox Jewish for a period of time,

888
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: then she stops. But at any rate, she does not

889
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: thrive here. She quits the station not long after it's

890
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: taken over by the far right. We don't know the

891
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: exact reasons, but it might have had something to do

892
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: with the fact that they were really bad people.

893
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: So for you, doctor Laura has a line.

894
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 2: Doctor Laura had a line at least who knows about today,

895
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: But she did have a line then, and she gets

896
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 2: credit for that. Good for you, Good on you, Bill Balance.

897
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: After she leaves, maybe she was fired also, It's really

898
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: unclear to me, but in which case, less kudos. But

899
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 2: according to Bill Balance, she called him and begged for help,

900
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: saying that she would kill herself if she couldn't get

901
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: back on the radio. Bill is a huge liar. I

902
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: don't know that. That doesn't really sound like Laura to me,

903
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: but maybe maybe she did. The good news for Laura

904
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: was that things turned around for her very quickly after

905
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: this point. Near the end of the nineteen eighties, a

906
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 2: radio executive picked her to replace Sally Jesse Raphael. Her

907
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: primary competition for the role was a woman named Barbara DeAngelis. Today,

908
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: Barbara is a prominent author, lecturer, and New York Times

909
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: best selling author. She is a PhD in psychology from

910
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: Columbia Pacific University, which is not a real college. It's

911
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: kind of state approved but not accredited. It is sketchy, right, Yeah,

912
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: Now Laura is going to go to war with this

913
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: woman because she calls herself doctor Barbara DeAngelis and get

914
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: like she will complain to station management, and station management

915
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: will make it, like, stop Barbara from describing herself as

916
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: a doctor on air. Laura, doctor Laura has is definitely

917
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: a real PhD from a real accredited school, but it's

918
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: in kinniestiesiology. It is not in anything relevant to what

919
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: she is doing on air. It is not in like

920
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: therapy or in counseling. It is somewhat dishonest for her

921
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: to portray herself in this context as.

922
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 3: Doctor waah, but she still does.

923
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: It's actively dishonest. Yeah, And like it's weird because also

924
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: it's dishonest for Barbara de Angelis to coll herself and.

925
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: Let's find the most lyingest people.

926
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, find so. I don't know, you can dubious truphy. Yeah,

927
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: you can feel however you want about that. But she's

928
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: definitely a hypocrite.

929
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 9: Right.

930
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: Colleagues at the time added that Laura was by far

931
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: the most aggressive person at the radio station. Any disagreement

932
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: or conflict with her was likely to result in weeks

933
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: or years of vicious shit talking. And this is what

934
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: Barbara says happened to her, that Laura basically becomes like

935
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: he's almost stalking her in a professional sense. This escalates

936
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: to Laura sending an anonymous complaints to the Board of

937
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: Behavioral Science Examiners that Barbara DeAngelis was fraudulently portraying herself

938
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: as a doctor, which I guess she was anyway. She

939
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: also sends a letter to the da of Los Angeles

940
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: accusing Barbara of practicing medicine without a license, which I

941
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: don't know that Barbara was doing. Although maybe this is.

942
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 4: A very like boomer woman con like just right, it's

943
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 4: watching like the Barbara v.

944
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: Laura or h I like people.

945
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah right, you're like all of all of these generic

946
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: boomer women names need to no good.

947
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 2: I wish. Neither of them had ever had a job

948
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: giving people life advice. I guess this is where I

949
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: land on the Barbara Laura debate.

950
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: It's it's hard to find someone professionally giving life advice

951
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: who also has a pathological gift for attention.

952
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: I have known a couple of people who were like

953
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: good enough at life that I think their advice has

954
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: a would have a monetary value. And they are all

955
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: way too busy living good lives to get on the

956
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: radio and do that check, right, And.

957
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: That is what is supposed and that is like the

958
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: beautiful catch twenty two of people worth listening to. They're

959
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 3: usually too busy to talk to you.

960
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, which is why you're left with people.

961
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 3: Like me, and that's why we're here.

962
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: Ponder that while you listen to these ads. Ah, So

963
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: Barbara leaves the station KFI while she and where she

964
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: and Laura have their quarrel. She later would claim that

965
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: this happens in nineteen ninety two, several months after she

966
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: left quote, I received a call from a woman who

967
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: sounded very nervous on the phone. She said she had

968
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: been a patient and a friend of Laura's, and she

969
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: wanted to meet and talk to me because she had

970
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: some information. She came out and told me that she

971
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: knew for a fact it was Laura, as I suspected,

972
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: who had set out to destroy my career and discredit me,

973
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: because she had heard Laura say it from her mouth

974
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: and not just say it, but scream it. Now. Again,

975
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: no good sources here Barbara's story does, or at least

976
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 2: Vicky finds other people who worked at KFI who back

977
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: up aspects of the story, including that Laura was incredibly

978
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: hostile to Barbara. So yeah, I don't have trouble believing

979
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: that she orchestrated this woman's expulsion from the network because

980
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: she was threatened by her because she was competition, right.

981
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: I also think that Barbara definitely was portraying herself as

982
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: a doctor, and I don't really think she was.

983
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: I don't think there. Yeah, again, there's like I'm rooting

984
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: for no one.

985
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm rooting for those sweaters in hook. Maybe I'll

986
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: have to watch that movie again and really have an

987
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: eye for the sweaters.

988
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 4: I hope they're able to sort of dig themselves out

989
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 4: from yeah, the trauma.

990
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 2: Then, yeah, yeah, I'm so shocked by that. Relief reveal.

991
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: What a baffling thing to learn in the middle of

992
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: this it comes. It's like, yeah, it's like a thunderbolt

993
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: from a clear sky, just bam. Now there's sister act

994
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 2: in the middle of this story.

995
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 3: It's a moment.

996
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is like this moment where you're like, wait,

997
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: is this gonna change the direction of her life?

998
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: And it's like no, no, not at all.

999
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: No, no, really doesn't make it unrelated, a complete red

1000
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: herring for the future of Laura's slack.

1001
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 3: There's no narrative to be gotten from it. It just is.

1002
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: You would cut this out of the script on her

1003
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: life because like, why are we doing this? Where are

1004
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: we going on this journey? This doesn't teach us anything,

1005
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: This doesn't contribute to who she becomes. But life isn't

1006
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: a story, people. Yeah, the nearly nineteen nineties we're a

1007
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: precarious time financially for the Slushingers. They had a devastating

1008
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: house fire and we're basically on the edge of eviction,

1009
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 2: horribly in debt. At least a Vicki's story is accurate.

1010
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: The story one is left believing, if we take that

1011
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: book as more or less true, is that doctor Laura

1012
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: was ruthless and so cruel to Barbara, in part because

1013
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: she saw that like, if I don't get if I

1014
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 2: don't break through in radio, we're fucked right. We've kind

1015
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: of bet everything on this, and I don't like being

1016
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: a therapist. We get a vision of her during this

1017
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: awkward period through a piece of rare, nearly lost media,

1018
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: or at least we can learn about her a little

1019
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: in her absence in this lost media, because we're not

1020
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: actually going to hear her in this. This is a

1021
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: recording of the Meeting of the Mouths, a radio special

1022
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: hosted by Tom Lacas, who I think I've done ads for.

1023
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 2: He's one of the first shock jocks. He came right

1024
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: after Bill Balance and right before Howard Stern. Right, so,

1025
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: if you're if you're looking at like where we land

1026
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: on the descendants chart, Lacas comes out of balance. Stern

1027
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: kind of is birthed somewhere in at miasthma. Although Stern

1028
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: is on the air by the time they're talking about him.

1029
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: I need to.

1030
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: Turn onside this. I absolutely hate to test despise the

1031
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: phrase Meeting of the Bouths.

1032
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: It's horrible, it's so gress and this this is like

1033
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: a big radio specially get a bunch of hosts together

1034
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: in a room, right, So Laura is big enough that

1035
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: she's made it into the room with Tom Lakas, who's

1036
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: a significant name. Also in this video is Barbara DeAngelis,

1037
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh and some other dudes who matter less than

1038
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 2: either of them. So this is during that awkward period.

1039
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: I don't have any of Laura in here because she's

1040
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: very quiet, so is Barbara, and it's kind of unclear

1041
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 2: to me when one is talking or the other because

1042
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 2: they're not on great audio.

1043
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: Sound the same to you, to say it, all women

1044
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: sound the same.

1045
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: But the point is that, like, you learn a lot

1046
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: about her position here. This is nineteen like ninety, she

1047
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: and Barbara are kind of just putting in very little, right.

1048
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 2: It's mostly Tom Lakas and Rush Limbaugh, who has just

1049
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: exploded at this time. It gives you an idea of

1050
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: where her standing is. Right if this had been a

1051
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: couple of years later, Laura would have been talking as

1052
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: much as Rush like, because she does become that level

1053
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 2: of figure. So this gives you an idea of kind

1054
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: of where this is her early career. And honestly, we

1055
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: could get away without playing this clip but Rush Limbaugh's

1056
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: gonna say something here that I just feel I've had

1057
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: to listen to it, and now you're gonna listen to it.

1058
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: And for some context, this is Tom Lacas and Rush

1059
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: Limbaugh arguing about the band Two Live Crew, who have

1060
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 2: had to cancel several shows after being accused of profanity.

1061
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: You can you're not allowed to throw in another hard

1062
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: left like this.

1063
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: I know it's wild stuff. Tom is arguing Two Live

1064
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: Cruise shouldn't be censored. Basically, right, I don't approve of

1065
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: them being so profane, but it's bad that they're having

1066
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: to cancel the shows, and Rush being like, as long

1067
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 2: as the government doesn't have a law, can't saying they

1068
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 2: can't do their show, it's fine. Right, that's the argument,

1069
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: And I'm just going to play you a clip from

1070
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 2: that argument.

1071
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: Just warning Jamie listeners, you're going to hate this.

1072
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 2: Oh you're not going to be happy, but it's happening.

1073
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 3: Well, why did we gather here?

1074
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 5: And are you not troubled that the whole focus of

1075
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 5: the particular song in question of Two Live Crew was

1076
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 5: to talk about how much fun it is to bust

1077
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 5: female vaginal walls, to rip them apart to rip them.

1078
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm troubled by it, but I also know that the

1079
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 2: free market would eventually determine that most people don't want

1080
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: to buy a record like I just that had to

1081
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: be with other people. I never heard Rush Limbas say

1082
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: vaginal walls before, and I wish I am male vaginal

1083
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: female vaginal walls. I'm so sorry, but it's maybe this

1084
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: isn't me now, and now what's in you?

1085
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: This is maybe? Like but like he said.

1086
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 4: It, you know, exactly like you would think you to

1087
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 4: grow like, which is worst case scenario.

1088
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: If you were like a comedian doing a fake Rush

1089
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: Limbaugh voice and like reading out rap lyrics right because

1090
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: you thought that was funny, you would say that phrase

1091
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: the way that Rush said it.

1092
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: There, Well, that's I mean, that's like that guy's whole beat, right,

1093
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 3: that's the Rush Limbo effect.

1094
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 4: That's the Jordan Peterson. In fact, they're always performing a

1095
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 4: bad snl.

1096
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro reading a wet ass pussy right, like, yes,

1097
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: part of the appeal, that's part of.

1098
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 4: Their comedians are left dead in a ditch over the

1099
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 4: self parody.

1100
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of what works with them.

1101
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: Seeing through vaginal walls.

1102
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody somebody's gonna clip that one out and turn

1103
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: that into a track.

1104
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: Thank god, was that an iambic pentameter? Do you think?

1105
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 2: Yes, it must have been, a lot of people don't

1106
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 2: know this, but both the show Deadwood and everything rush

1107
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: Limbaugh ever said perfect diambic pentameter. Gorgeous. So all of

1108
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: that's very unpleasant. But you can see nineteen ninety she

1109
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: has not found her footing right because she is not.

1110
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: She doesn't say anything when rush Limbaugh says that. But

1111
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four she does break through, and she

1112
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: owes a lot of the success she has. Finally to

1113
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: her her co host in this recording, rush Limbaugh, his

1114
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: success had put conservative talk radio on the map. So

1115
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: Bill Balance makes it clear to the people with money

1116
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: and radio, oh, these women are listening to shows, and

1117
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: rush Limbaugh makes it clear that like people like weird loud,

1118
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 2: right wing assholes, and putting those two together is going

1119
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: to make it very clear that doctor Laura has an

1120
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: audience right.

1121
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 4: Even listening to shows could be dangerous, better a wrench

1122
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 4: in the whole.

1123
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: Thing, Yeah, exactly. So this is gonna work out well

1124
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 2: for her now to fit into this new market. Doctor

1125
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: Laura makes herself harsher crueler and you know, more Rush

1126
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: Limbaugh esque.

1127
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 3: That's all daft punk remix.

1128
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Much of her success is supercharged by the fact

1129
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: that she also times the release of her first book wonderfully.

1130
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety four, I think ninety four ninety five,

1131
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: she publishes the advice book Ten Stupid Things Men Do

1132
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 2: to Mess Up Their Lives. Yes, if you ever heard

1133
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: the show, you heard this title. I knew the name

1134
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: of doctor Laura's first book without even having to research

1135
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: it because I heard a million times on the air.

1136
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 3: I've seen without knowing. Yeah, I mean that book has endured.

1137
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: It absolutely has. And I'm going to read you the

1138
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: first five chapters, and each each chapter comes with like

1139
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: a little sentence that I guess is supposed to be

1140
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: a scriptor Number one, and these are again the ten

1141
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: stupid things women do to mess up their lives. Number

1142
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: one stupid attachment is a woman just a woe woe

1143
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 2: woe on a man. You typically look to the context

1144
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: of a man to find and defined yourself. I don't

1145
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: understand why should wrote that. That doesn't wa a whoa

1146
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: wo whoa on a man? What does that mean? Anyway,

1147
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: Stupid courtship, I finally found someone I could attach to,

1148
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: and other stupid ideas about dating. Desperate to have a man,

1149
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: you become a beggar, not a chooser in the dating scene.

1150
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: Stupid devotion, but I love him and more stupid romantic stuff.

1151
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 2: You find yourself driven to love and suffer and sucker

1152
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: or do you spell that sucker in vain? Stupid passion? Whoa,

1153
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: oh yeah, oh ah, we're breathing hard. It must mean love.

1154
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: You have sex too soon to romantically and set yourself

1155
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: up to be burned. Stupid cohabitation the ultimate female self delusion.

1156
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: So stop lying to yourself. You're not living with him

1157
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: because you love him. You're living with him because you

1158
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: hope he'll want you.

1159
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: You can't, you generally can't tell me that this isn't

1160
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: just like articles written by Carrie Bronshaw.

1161
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

1162
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 4: I was gonna say the front half of that was

1163
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 4: like a semi good, if a little conservative Olivia Marico

1164
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 4: sink and then it just sort of descended into madness.

1165
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So looking into this book is very frustrating.

1166
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: It starts with the introduction, where we learned that her

1167
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: book on Women was inspired by two men. The second

1168
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: of those two men was her father and the first

1169
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: was an engineer at KFI. Quote. After working with me

1170
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: for more than six months, three hours a night, five

1171
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: days a week, Dan Mandis was hearing approximately twenty five

1172
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: women per show agonize over some dumb guy. You know, Laura.

1173
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: He told me in an unguarded moment, if you listen

1174
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: to your show long enough, you begin to think women

1175
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: are stupid. And that's kind of the core of what

1176
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: the Doctor Laura Show is and why it's toxic.

1177
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you mean you mean whoa whoa whoa whoa

1178
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: whoa man our stupid man?

1179
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's a lot of it.

1180
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: That's my favorite part.

1181
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: She has again, as I talk about like she is

1182
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: kind of like she succeeds by doing the thing that

1183
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: is still a lot of why. How like internet discourse works, Right,

1184
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: you find someone who's saying something you can clip out

1185
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: of context or something shitty, and then you lay into

1186
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: them for a bunch of people who don't know them, right, Like,

1187
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: that's the gist of Doctor Laura. That's why the Internet

1188
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: works the way it does. We all want to believe

1189
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: that we're smarter than we are right, and Laura aimed

1190
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: herself specifically at a special kind of middle American Christian conservative,

1191
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: someone like my mom, Right, people who have had tough

1192
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 2: goes of it, who are scared or angry about the

1193
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: things that they see out in the world, and they want,

1194
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: you know, they need, rather than blaming the systems, to

1195
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: blame the freeloaders. Right, the people they imagine are responsible

1196
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 2: for their difficulties, the people that they imagine are less

1197
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: responsible and good than they are. And doctor Laura provides that. Right,

1198
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: it's just like on you know, same as it ever was.

1199
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: Right now, It is not a coincidence that doctor Laura

1200
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: explodes in popularity in the mid nineties. This is the

1201
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: tipping point from modern conservative grievance politics the media, and

1202
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: they're they're angry because Bill Clinton has just to their eyes,

1203
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: unjustly taken power from them after three presidential terms and

1204
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: is a very immoral man. And his immorality coincides with

1205
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: an explosion online, in explicit films and TV like the Simpsons. Right,

1206
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: you get all these you get all these media that

1207
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: conservatives get angry about. Right when the Simpsons may seem

1208
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: tame toy now, but early and it's it's time on

1209
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: the air. Barbara Bush when she was First Lady, attacked it, right,

1210
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: which is why there's a whole Simpsons episode starring the Bushes.

1211
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like that does that is good context

1212
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: for that?

1213
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, she attacks the show because she does. Like The

1214
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: Simpsons was fairly unique in that period, a show where

1215
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 2: there's like there's nothing redeeming about the country or about

1216
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: like a lot of the people in it, Like the

1217
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: police are corrupt, the mayor is a crook. All of

1218
01:01:53,440 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: the politicians are crooks, like the alcoholics, you know, Like right.

1219
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 4: The school, the teachers don't have the best interests of

1220
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 4: their students.

1221
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: They do not give a shit about their students.

1222
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1223
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like it's beautiful, it's perfect art.

1224
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: It's very cynical, and it made a lot of it.

1225
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: It's part of this. It's not the only thing doing,

1226
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 2: but it makes a lot of conservatives feel attacked and

1227
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 2: under fire, right, a lot of conservatives who maybe wanted

1228
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: to feel that way because it's more exciting than just

1229
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: living in the suburbs, taking your kids to school, working

1230
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 2: forty hours a week at an air conditioned office. Right,

1231
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: you want to feel like you're part of a culture war.

1232
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: You're being attacked, right.

1233
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 4: Right, Like it gives you a sense of there's a

1234
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 4: sense of order, there's a sense of control.

1235
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and a sense of action, right yeah. And

1236
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: I found an interview with doctor Laura from nineteen ninety

1237
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: four and the Los Angeles Radio Guide. It quotes her

1238
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,479
Speaker 2: as saying, my values are an oasis in the middle

1239
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: of a moral nothingness. I am single handedly trying to

1240
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: change this lack of ethics and values. Great stuff. Oh

1241
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: so she's a crusader for a crusader, you know, you know,

1242
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: took part in the breaking up of a marriage lot

1243
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 2: or told secrets from her patients to other patients, engineered

1244
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: the distruction of another woman's career, you know. But like whatever, Right,

1245
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 2: she's an oasis of morality. Yes, So during this interview

1246
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: with the Los Angeles Radio Guide, which I guess used

1247
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: to have enough leaders to be a magazine, she described

1248
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: the chief problem of modern women as quote they does

1249
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: find success by things other than their family relationships. I mean,

1250
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: Laura hates her entire family aside from I guess her

1251
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: kid and her husband, but certainly does not have other

1252
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: family beyond that that she's close with and.

1253
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: The feeling doesn't seem like the other.

1254
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: SOI right, right, that's wrong to have be fucked up

1255
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: with your family and have a good career. I'm fucked

1256
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: up with my family and have a good career, but

1257
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: it's wrong to tell people you shouldn't do.

1258
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 3: That, right, I just I wonder. I mean, I know

1259
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 3: that there's no clean answer for this, but it's just

1260
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 3: like it seems like from a very young age she

1261
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,479
Speaker 3: has both had a fixation on control and a sense

1262
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 3: of order and been imbued with a deep sense of

1263
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 3: self hatred. I cannot stop thinking about that. Like they're

1264
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 3: like it's all connected of like, well, what is the

1265
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 3: best I can do for myself while maintaining the same

1266
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 3: level of self hatred and like spreading it around.

1267
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 2: It's just ugh, that's good stuff.

1268
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 3: It's awesome. I'm sorry, That's what I meant to say.

1269
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: It's the essence of right wing politics. Right. Everything I

1270
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 2: disapprove of is bad, and I am the lone voice

1271
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 2: for truth fighting back against it.

1272
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 10: Right.

1273
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 3: It hurts me to do this, but as you cries, like, figure,

1274
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 3: I have to.

1275
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: Do it now. In that interview, Laura does sum up

1276
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: her only flaw generally, I went my way and I

1277
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: want it now. Aside from that, I don't have any

1278
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 2: bad habits. Now that's it's fun stuff. And when it

1279
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: comes to the harm a person like Laura Sleshinger has done,

1280
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: I can focus just on her historic context.

1281
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 10: Right.

1282
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: As we've said, she paves the way for guys like

1283
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: Jordan Peterson, even for like you know, I mentioned the

1284
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: Bechdel Cast. Obviously this podcast has as we owe something

1285
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: to Bill Balance, we also do to doctor Laura, but

1286
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: so doaes fucking Joe Rogan, right, Like these are all

1287
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 2: part of it.

1288
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, I would say Morris.

1289
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not in the direct kind of content, but

1290
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: that she makes space in media and shows how she's

1291
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: part of the growing awareness that executives in TV and

1292
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: then radio just all over entertainment have with like, oh,

1293
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of money in people's messy lives and

1294
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 2: people being mean to people in messy lives. Right, She's

1295
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 2: not the only person doing this, but she's massively successful. Right.

1296
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: She has the number one radio personality for years. In

1297
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, she's the number five audience on the radio.

1298
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: She's huge for a very long time.

1299
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 3: People love to get yelled at by mom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I could focus on all of that, and

1302
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: I guess we will a little bit, but I want

1303
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 2: to focus more right now on the damage that her

1304
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 2: advice can do to individual people. You don't you know,

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01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: you don't have like a book of the experiences of

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01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 2: everyone who called her show, but you can occasionally find

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01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 2: people who called in or who listened to her talk

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01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 2: about the impact she had on them in places like Reddit,

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01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 2: and I this may spoil where the story is going,

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: but I found accounts from several women about how doctor

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01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: Laura affected them in the Narcissistic Abuse subreddit. I'm not

1312
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 2: laughing at narcissistic abuse. It's just like, yeah, that is

1313
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 2: that does kind of describe the Doctor Laura show.

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Speaker 3: She would pop up there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. And here's one person describing

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Speaker 2: their experience. Back in the nineties, I was a stay

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Speaker 2: and I've edited this a little bit for length. Back

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Speaker 2: in the nineties, I was a stay at home mom

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01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: starting a family with my husband. I was raising a

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Speaker 2: conservative Catholic home with two parents who loved me and

1321
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 2: my brothers very much, and I had a traditional marriage.

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01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: Whereas my father worked in my mother's stayed home to

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 2: raise us. Fast forward to the nineties, listening to Doctor Laura.

1324
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Speaker 2: My husband was gone a lot, we lived far from

1325
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 2: the family. There were many red flags of my husband's

1326
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 2: behavior treatment of me, but I'd listened to Doctor Laura

1327
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 2: during the day and vowed to be a better wife,

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Speaker 2: to be kind to my husband, to treat him better,

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01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: respect him more, nag him less. What that did was

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01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: cause me to ignore the red flags of major character

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01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 2: flaws and my husband. I recall, for some reason my

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01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: husband was doing or saying something I believed was out

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01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 2: of line, possibly calling me a bitch, or neglecting to

1334
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: come home when he said he would not calling were traveling.

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01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: I'd turn on Doctor Laura and hear about how if

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01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 2: you choose to marry this man and make babies with him,

1337
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: then suck it up for the sake of the kids.

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01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 2: I stayed and ignored major red flags for years. At

1339
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: the time, I was listening to doctor Laura, and I

1340
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: was blaming myself, and he was lying to me about

1341
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 2: everything he did the second he stepped in the door.

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01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 2: It was ideal because his office was an hour commute

1343
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 2: from our home in southern California at the time, so

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01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: he kept me and the kids a safe distance from

1345
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: his hidden lifestyle. This is obviously a man who has

1346
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 2: a whole life cheating on her as a narcissistic confuser. Right,

1347
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go with the details, but we

1348
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 2: don't need that on the radio show. But this is

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: how she describes listening to the Doctor Laura Show as

1350
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: making her think she did the right thing by ignoring

1351
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: the fucked up shit he was doing.

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01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 3: Right anyway, Well, I mean it's like, I'm at least glad.

1353
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's so it's so fucked because I

1354
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, the Internet at large is often

1355
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 3: i think, like used as the complete villain of how

1356
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 3: the stuff gets perpetrated, but it obviously goes back before then,

1357
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 3: and in this case, it seems like the Internet has

1358
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 3: given this person a like space to actually air it

1359
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 3: out and talk with people.

1360
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 2: Because yeah, I do think it's valuable. As angry as

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01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 2: I often get at the Internet at social media for

1362
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 2: how much more toxic it's made this to note that, like, yeah,

1363
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,839
Speaker 2: this was happening in the radio, this has probably happened

1364
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 2: before the radio. I'm sure like magazines that have a

1365
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: massive media who you know, you get like these you know,

1366
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 2: mail in your advice stuff, right, That stuff pre dates

1367
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 2: Dock Laura, where you send in a letter and they

1368
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: give you advice. I'm sure this kind of stuff happens.

1369
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 2: I think the lesson here, Jamie, is that we need

1370
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 2: a secret police force empowered to kill on site anyone

1371
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: who knows or talks to more than three other human

1372
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: beings in the course of their life. You know, it's

1373
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 2: just that shit down, that shit down. Yeah, as the occasion.

1374
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 4: And as a person, you cannot expect the majority of

1375
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 4: people to internalize more than three things about you, truly.

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01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's it. I think you'd like to get the.

1377
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 2: Better future now, Jamie. I think we know. I know

1378
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 2: what I'm going to go to Kamala with if she

1379
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 2: takes over from Joe. I think this could really this

1380
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 2: could revitalize American politics. Imagine in America in which no

1381
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 2: one knows more than two other people. You know, Wow,

1382
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,799
Speaker 2: that's a utopia in my mind.

1383
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 4: We will become a proper country.

1384
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: We could become a proper country. Yeah. So, another user

1385
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 2: in that subreddit mentioned reading one of doctor Laura's other bestsellers,

1386
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: The Proper Karen Feeding of Husbands and it was in

1387
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: this book that doctor Laura publicly espoused her belief that

1388
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: women have an ethical objection to have sex with their

1389
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: husbands even if they don't want to have sex. This

1390
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: is a staple of her advice. And it's interesting. I found

1391
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: a whole review of this book on like a super

1392
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: far right like homeschooling Christian nationalist website, and one of

1393
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: the things they explain is that, like, look, women need love,

1394
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: men need respect most of all, right, and you're not

1395
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,879
Speaker 2: respecting it. They don't say this, but like they advise

1396
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 2: her book, and what she is saying is you are

1397
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 2: not respecting your husband if you don't let him fuck you. Right.

1398
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 2: It is that direct. And I have to.

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01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 3: Say, it's just like a pro marital rape.

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01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 5: Is that?

1401
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 3: Is that where we're headed with this?

1402
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: I don't know more or less, but it's a little

1403
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 2: differently fucked up than that. She is not saying women

1404
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 2: don't have men don't have the right to not consent

1405
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: to sex with their husbands. She is saying you are

1406
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 2: being a bad wife if you ever say no, okay,

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01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 2: And there's a kind of a difference there. I'm not

1408
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: saying what's better than the other, but it is a

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01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 2: little bit of a difference. Third thing, got a evil

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01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: third thing. And I want to play you a clip

1411
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 2: of this from her Modern Day YouTube show and yeah,

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: just listen to this. This is her reading a listener letter.

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01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 7: I've never been married, so I'm soaking up all I

1414
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 7: can to help me when I do marry. Is it

1415
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 7: absolutely never okay to say no to your husband, even

1416
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 7: when you're sick not being there yet. I'm curious what

1417
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 7: tips you can give all women for overcoming not feeling

1418
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 7: well to go forward and still have sex with their husbands.

1419
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 7: Let's just say, if you're needing chaopectate or an ivy. Oh,

1420
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 7: come on, that's just silly. If your husband is saying, hey, baby,

1421
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 7: I want to pump you when you're sick, you've married

1422
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 7: a jerk. We're talking about when you're feeling irritated or

1423
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 7: I'm annoyed or I'm just too tired today and turn

1424
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 7: away your man. One. This is the measure that men

1425
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 7: have of how much we love them.

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01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 9: Now.

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01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 2: I love shit like this because it's both it's a

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01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: great one two of like, wow, this is a deeply

1429
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 2: toxic thing to tell women, and then wow, oh this

1430
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 2: is also a toxic thing to say to men. Great.

1431
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, doctor Laura, you've finally done it a thought

1432
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 4: that is coachingly terrible for everyone on earth.

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01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was really leading heavy with the women stuff.

1434
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 2: But then at the end there, you as a man

1435
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 2: only have value if someone's willing to let you fuck them, like,

1436
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: oh we got there way to go.

1437
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 4: Wow, her wig did a three hundred and sixty degree

1438
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 4: spin at the end of that.

1439
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 3: You just couldn't it.

1440
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 2: Sure does. Her hair is doing something else said this

1441
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:45,799
Speaker 2: fort Now that's very gross, right, I will say it's

1442
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,759
Speaker 2: this is a woman who used to have an audience

1443
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 2: of eighteen million people listening every week, right, at least

1444
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 2: reaching that many people. Radio numbers are a little wonky,

1445
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 2: as are all numbers that anyone in entertainment ever gives

1446
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: or gets.

1447
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 4: And then if they decide they don't like it, they'll

1448
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 4: just delete it forever.

1449
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this view this video has one hundred and

1450
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 2: eighty two thousand views in fourteen years. Doctor Laura has

1451
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 2: forty one thousand subscribers, so more people than you'd hope for.

1452
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 2: But she is definitely not diminished, shug in along the

1453
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 2: way that she used to. Right, Yeah, now, I find

1454
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: what she's saying here especially funny because another major line

1455
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 2: in her again, because she's saying here like, you have

1456
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 2: to fuck your husband whenever he wants, because like, your

1457
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 2: only value is your ability to make him feel wanted

1458
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: by being able to have sex with someone. Right in

1459
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 2: the other thing that she says frequently is women today

1460
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 2: are pigs, and women today are pigs for seeing life

1461
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 2: purely in terms of like sex and short term pleasure,

1462
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: when the thing she's making clear is that the only

1463
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 2: relationship men and women can have that is valuable to

1464
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 2: the other involves sex. So it's why it's beautifully incoherent.

1465
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,799
Speaker 2: And I want to play you a clip for calling

1466
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,520
Speaker 2: modern women pigs.

1467
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 7: I was raised by my grandma listening to you, I

1468
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 7: remember growing up hearing that all too often women strive

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01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 7: for short term gratification instead of long term satisfaction.

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 3: Now I'm reapediting on really use.

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01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 7: A refresher in that course. Is there any way I

1472
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 7: can receive an update or something to refresh my own

1473
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 7: memory on these talks? It would be the utmost and

1474
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 7: helpful as to where I am in life trying to

1475
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:36,879
Speaker 7: remember about what was said about long term satisfaction. Wow,

1476
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 7: This is so timely because these days most women out

1477
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 7: there are pigs.

1478
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 3: Are you shocked that I said that?

1479
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 7: Oh?

1480
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 3: Do you think I'm talking about you?

1481
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 7: I might be. Is it one, two, three minutes, three hours,

1482
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 7: three days, three dates, and you're already having sex with somebody?

1483
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 7: I don't know. That's the short term gratification. That's the

1484
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 7: pretending there's a relationship. That's the pretending that somebody gives

1485
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 7: a darn about you. That's pretending that somebody respects you,

1486
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 7: cares about you. You know what, here's the deal.

1487
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 3: You know he's in love with don't.

1488
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 4: I don't need to know what the deal is. No,

1489
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 4: you don't claw hit me, doctor Laura. See if I give.

1490
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 3: A rat's ass.

1491
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, though, but that's also a

1492
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 2: man like. That's a perfect example, Like, Yeah, she's really

1493
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 2: good as a broad Like she's good at understanding how

1494
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 2: to speak for an audience, right, Like the way in

1495
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: which her voice builds up, the way in which she

1496
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 2: changes her voice, like the different tones uses her cadence,

1497
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 2: the way in which she organizes that response is just like, Yeah,

1498
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: that's that's someone who has been broadcasting for more than

1499
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 2: I've been alive, right, like, yeah, I.

1500
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 1: Enjoyed the whenever she said pretending, the yellow font came

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01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: up on the screen in big letters and said pretending.

1502
01:15:58,479 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like the more you know.

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01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 2: Look, she's better as a broadcaster than her editors as

1504
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: a video editor.

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 7: I know.

1506
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 4: Look, I hope Derek was editing that shit on iMovie with.

1507
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 2: A fucking why right there in his name.

1508
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 3: I hope he charged a hefty hourly rate to edit

1509
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 3: Mommy's little videos. I yeah, that was that was bleak.

1510
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 3: I mean, she is clearly a master at finding any

1511
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 3: angle to make a person real or imaginary, to feel

1512
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 3: horrible about themselves. But it doesn't I don't know, I've

1513
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 3: like this specific style of shaming doesn't hit the way

1514
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 3: it once did. I don't know, what do you think?

1515
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: No? No, I mean that's you've seen her decline, right,

1516
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: And part of it is that she just isn't She's

1517
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: always been kind of culture war adjacent, but never as

1518
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 2: much as people are today. I think she would have

1519
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 2: found it kind of undignified. She would never do. Not

1520
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 2: that she's any better, but like the degree to which

1521
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 2: all of these people become ricatures of themselves in every

1522
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: form of media, imaginable. I don't think she would have

1523
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 2: been comfortable with. I think she wants too much control

1524
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: over her image to get that close to a bunch

1525
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 2: of other media figures, right, I think, yeah, Yeah, that's

1526
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 2: my feeling of it.

1527
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 3: I just wonder, I mean, honestly, because she's well into

1528
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 3: her seventies at this point, I wonder if there's just

1529
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 3: a part of it is like at some point I

1530
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 3: wonder this about you know, older people who are involved

1531
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 3: in the culture wars conversation, I'm like, how are you

1532
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,560
Speaker 3: not just fucking exhausting, not just tired? Exhausting?

1533
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thirty six that I fucking hate it.

1534
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 4: It's exhausting to like bear witness to much less participated.

1535
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 3: I would about it like she might just be fucking tired.

1536
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's because some of these I don't

1537
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: think she is quite although she has some of that.

1538
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: But guys like rush Limba were born to be culture

1539
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 2: war ghoules, whereas most of us, people like you and me,

1540
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 2: who have grown up in the middle of this fucking

1541
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,799
Speaker 2: thing they helped start. We maybe have gotten involved by nature.

1542
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: But I don't know about you, Jimmy. My ideal life

1543
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 2: is being a weirdo with like a radio show talking

1544
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 2: about cryptids who lives in the woods and one day

1545
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 2: just disappears while hunting for big Wooter, big Bigfoot or

1546
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 2: one of those one of those worms in Mongolia that

1547
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 2: has lightning powers. That's what I would like to disappear.

1548
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 4: Searches that was Is that what what Dune was about?

1549
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 3: Don't answer.

1550
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: I think Dune might have been inspired by that Mongolian worm,

1551
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 2: Jamie awesome. That may or may not exist. You never know. Look,

1552
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 2: nobody's found the Great CON's tomb, and nobody's found one

1553
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 2: of those worms. Put him together about being about a boom.

1554
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 2: You got a pretty good fucking high adventure novel.

1555
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 3: You know, it does feel I mean, like clearly. You know,

1556
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 3: Doctor Laura has a clear place in the pantheon of

1557
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 3: twentieth century grifters.

1558
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And she does very well at

1559
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 2: her height. The show is on four hundred and fifty

1560
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 2: radio stations. She's second only to Rush Limbaugh. This is

1561
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 2: when she starts receiving a bunch of awards. She gets

1562
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 2: one from the Department of Defense eventually, and then she

1563
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 2: gets she snubs Bill Balance at an awards ceremony and

1564
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 2: this is why he sells her photos to a foreign website.

1565
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 2: Slashinger is rightfully furious. She sues him for invasion of

1566
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 2: privacy and copyright violation. The court ruled that she had

1567
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 2: no right to the images, and the consite puts them

1568
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 2: back up. I'm not an expert on this case, but

1569
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 2: it sounds pretty fucking gross. She does not appeal. She

1570
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 2: tells her audience the photos were taken at a low

1571
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: point in her life, and since she was going through

1572
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 2: a divorce at the time, she didn't have moral authority

1573
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 2: to talk.

1574
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's it doesn't matter at what. It just

1575
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 3: matters that it's illegal to distribute, right.

1576
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 2: So that's where I am on this. It's like, we

1577
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 2: just shouldn't be allowed to do that at all.

1578
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 4: We shouldn't have to be That feels like, yeah, the

1579
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 4: doctor Laura kicking in of like oh well this, you know,

1580
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 4: there's a reason that this happened.

1581
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 3: It's like, no, actually, this is the rare time that

1582
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 3: I'm on your side.

1583
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 2: No, I shouldn't sue him, and I wish the case

1584
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 2: had gone your way. Yeah, yeah, I think it doesn't

1585
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: because of some weird like the copyright issue is a

1586
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: big part of it, right, there's something weird about like

1587
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 2: their professional relationship that I think it's I don't know, though,

1588
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going to don't want to talk out of

1589
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 2: my ass on it because she's in the right there.

1590
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety nine, she signs a deal with Paramount

1591
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 2: to create a talk show, which is a disaster. Laura

1592
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 2: does not have the kind of face charisma that you

1593
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 2: need to be a compelling TV lead, And there's also

1594
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 2: something inherently shameful about what she does, right, Like, you

1595
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 2: don't want to see somebody be that meat. You might

1596
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 2: want to hear it when you're driving and you're in

1597
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 2: a bad mood because you're commuting, but you don't necessarily

1598
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: want to see it.

1599
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, but if that were true, wouldn't

1600
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,560
Speaker 3: that be true of like Rush Limbaugh and Jordan Peterson

1601
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 3: and all those guys that we see all the time.

1602
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh also has a TV show that doesn't really

1603
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: work out in the okay, Jordan Peterson comes around and

1604
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 2: is a different kind of guy. You know, he's related

1605
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 2: to both of them, but for one thing, he's a

1606
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: lot more like of a lower tempo of energy usually, right,

1607
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 2: Like that's part of how you know, he has his

1608
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 2: times when he's clearly manic or on whatever weird drugs's

1609
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: daughter convinced him to take. But the Jordan Peterson that

1610
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 2: initially got famous is like a very good at sounding

1611
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 2: like a cultured and calm academic for the most part

1612
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 2: until he has his moments of.

1613
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 3: Passion, until he goes raw meat mode.

1614
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 2: Right right, whereas doctor Laura is kind of immediately mean

1615
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 2: to whoever calls you know anyway the show flops. Laura's

1616
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 2: desperation over the show flopping is evident in the fact

1617
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 2: that the series had to bring in paid ringers to

1618
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 2: generate conflicts because it was so bad. They did this

1619
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 2: lazily on two consecutive days. The same researcher employed by

1620
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 2: the show is brought into play two different people. The

1621
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 2: first is like a college a student who gets money

1622
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 2: to write essays for other students, and the second is

1623
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: a woman living with her boyfriend training decide if she

1624
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: could she should get married. The show has its last

1625
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 2: episode in March of two thousand and one. Now, Jamie,

1626
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 2: I know that you and I both know about another

1627
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: terrible thing that happened in two thousand and one. You

1628
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 2: know horrible. I think it's changed my life. I know

1629
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,879
Speaker 2: it's changed your life. And that's when doctor Laura briefly

1630
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: had a conflict with the gay community. Yes, this was

1631
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 2: at a different times. The only other thing that happened

1632
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one that I can recall after

1633
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: March only.

1634
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 3: Shrek came out, you know, Mahalandra came out.

1635
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, other things, and doctor Laura calls homosexuality a

1636
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: biological error. Now Laura kind of immediately has to backpedal.

1637
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 2: This would not happen today. She would grift off of this.

1638
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: She would certainly be fetted by the far right right

1639
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 2: or the normal right at this point, just by the right.

1640
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 2: She can't. It's weird because two thousand and one, in

1641
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 2: so many other ways is so much worse a period

1642
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 2: for like queer rights in this country. But at this

1643
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 2: point there's enough like glad and stuff, there's letter writing

1644
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 2: campaigns against her people cause enough of a problem that

1645
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: she has to apologize. And her point on this is

1646
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 2: always again, you can really see that the narratives haven't

1647
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: calcified to the point that they are at this point,

1648
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 2: because while she says a bunch of horrible things like

1649
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 2: gay people. It's not. It's the result of basically a

1650
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 2: biological glitch, right, rather than something that we see in

1651
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: every species that reproduces sexual.

1652
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 3: The beginning of time. Yeah.

1653
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she also says, well we should. This is

1654
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 2: also fucked up in a way. When kids get too

1655
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 2: old for good straight parents to want them, gay men

1656
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: should be able to adopt them.

1657
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 4: Which is such a weird that's I've never even heard that.

1658
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 2: It's honestly impressive gymnastics there, Like, you just have to

1659
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 2: hand it to her sometimes, Yeah, what the fuck. Yeah,

1660
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to make gay people should be

1661
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: allowed to adopt kids horrible, but you did it. Wow,

1662
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 2: And in two ways, it's amazing stuff. Laura continued her

1663
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 2: by now time warn tradition of giving people advice. The

1664
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 2: best example of her giving advice that is like the

1665
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 2: opposite of stuff that she actually did from later in

1666
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 2: her career, is that she would repeatedly tell people you

1667
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 2: got to honor your parents. You should try to have

1668
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 2: a good relationship with your parents. If your kid, you

1669
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: should have a good relationship, you know, with your parents,

1670
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 2: and you know, the best thing that a kid can

1671
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:31,440
Speaker 2: or that a parent can have as grandkids YadA, YadA, YadA.

1672
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 2: In real life, she briefly hires her mom to be

1673
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 2: her secretary and then fires her mom, and then her

1674
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 2: mom goes on to spend her next remaining years alone

1675
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 2: in a condo. She dies and isn't found for like

1676
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 2: three months and may have been murdered. We don't know

1677
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 2: if she was murdered or not. It's a little bit

1678
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 2: of a mystery. But here's what Laura herself wrote on

1679
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 2: the matter. One day, the Beverly Hills police called me

1680
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 2: she had a condo in Beverly Hills, to let me

1681
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 2: know my mother was dead and had been dead on

1682
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 2: the floor of her apartment for about four months. There

1683
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 2: were no friends, and none of her neighbors were close.

1684
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 2: Nobody noticed. They said it was probably a homicide, but

1685
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 2: not a robbery. When the police came to my helm

1686
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 2: to ask me questions, I told them it couldn't be

1687
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 2: a homicide. I said that to murder someone personal, you

1688
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 2: had to be close enough to begin to hate. Well

1689
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: that nobody got close to her. The final conclusion was

1690
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 2: unknown cause of death, but not homicide. So no comment,

1691
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 2: no comment, MESSI MESSI fucking brutal. Yeah, that's that's brutal. Now,

1692
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 2: I will say, Jamie, I think I solve this case.

1693
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 2: I think I know something that Laura didn't at the time. Right,

1694
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: so the police think this is a homicide. You know,

1695
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 2: maybe the serial music can start playing now. The police

1696
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 2: believed this is a homicide, but Laura says her mom

1697
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,759
Speaker 2: wasn't close enough to anybody to be murdered for personal reasons.

1698
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 2: But in the book Vicky Bain wrote about Doctor Laura,

1699
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 2: it opens with an interview with Yolanda, doctor Laura's mother,

1700
01:25:55,400 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 2: from inside her house. Vicky describes the house she seems

1701
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 2: friendly with doctor Laura's mom. Am I saying that biographer

1702
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 2: Vicky Bain murdered doctor Laura's mother for some personal reason.

1703
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 3: Not film never know to listen to the next.

1704
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 2: Eleven episodes of my podcast on who killed Doctor Flora's mother?

1705
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 2: Which is okay to joke about a little because she

1706
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: hated her?

1707
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah.

1708
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not Who cares? What are you going to do?

1709
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 4: And then I will start a rival podcast called Vicky

1710
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 4: Bain Innocent in years.

1711
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 2: One, Jamie and I are going to grift so much

1712
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 2: money off of this woman, who, as far as I

1713
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,639
Speaker 2: could tell, published two unauthorized biographies back in the nineties

1714
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 2: and then did not publish any other books. Hey, people,

1715
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 2: of a person might be a fake name that a

1716
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:52,799
Speaker 2: publisher made up to publish this book. No way to know. Anyway.

1717
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 2: Up to the mid auts, Doctor Laura remained one of

1718
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 2: the most successful broadcasters on the planet. All of this

1719
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 2: took a disastrous turn on August twenty ten. Up to

1720
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 2: that point, doctor Laura was like the number five broadcaster

1721
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 2: in the country by audience. But on that broadcast, while

1722
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Speaker 2: talking about modern comedy, she says this.

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Speaker 3: Black guys use it all the time.

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Speaker 7: Turn on HBO, listen to a black comic, and all

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01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 7: you hear is nigger, nigger, nigger.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it.

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01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 7: If anybody needs anybody without enough melon and says it,

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01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 7: it's a horrible thing. But when black people say it,

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Speaker 7: it's affectionate.

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Speaker 3: It's very confusing.

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, Doctor Laura, Oh oh, she goes on, because

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to play all of this. Maybe I should,

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01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 2: but like the lady she's on the phone with, who

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01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 2: I think is a black woman, says, well, you were

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01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 2: like really comfortable saying a lot of times on air,

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01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 2: that's kind of weird. And Laura. Laura gets really angry

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01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 2: and uses it eleven more times, just being like, you know,

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01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 2: like yeah. Then she says a lot of blacks only

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01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 2: voted for Obama because he was half black, And when

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01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 2: the collar disagrees, Laura says, don't nua acpe me.

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Speaker 3: Oh so Jesus, that's not great, Jesus great.

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01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: So this is what this is what does her end professionally.

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01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,719
Speaker 2: As a big name. Yeah. She issues an apology later

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01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 2: that evening.

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Speaker 3: And I mean it's like Air's fucking something.

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01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically at the end of you think probably there

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01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: was a backroom deal. She doesn't immediately quit, but she

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01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 2: quits at the end of the year. She goes, I

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01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: think it's she goes on Letterman to be like, I'm

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01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 2: quitting in order to regain my First Amendment rights to

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01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 2: say whatever is on my mind.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Good on Letterman for letting her give her perspective.

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01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank god. But nobody really wanted to hear it

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01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 2: after this point, even though she is still doing it.

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01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 2: So well, there you go, you know.

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01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 3: At very least, uh, it doesn't seem like she is

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01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 3: endured meaningfully outside of her only demographic It seems like

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01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,839
Speaker 3: it's ever been like generationally.

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Speaker 2: Bill Nobody knows who fucking Bill Balance was. Right now,

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01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 2: we do live with his I mean, Howard Stern's still

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01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 2: on the air. Not to say that, but we like

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01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 2: we are part of like the the the We exist

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01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 2: in a space that he helped make right and a

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01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 2: lot of the worst people on the Internet today, a

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01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 2: lot like Jordan Peterson being the example we keep going

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Speaker 2: back to. I don't know if they wouldn't. I'm not

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01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 2: going to say there would be no Jordan Peterson without

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Speaker 2: doctor Laura, but he would have had a lot more

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01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 2: work to do to make that space if she hadn't

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01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:35,799
Speaker 2: been there first, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, and and make no mistake, I believe in doctor

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Speaker 3: Jordan Peterson. I believe he would have found a way,

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01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 3: but you know certainly didn't didn't hurt. This is fascinating that.

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01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 2: Jordan Peterson finds a way.

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Speaker 3: Wow, from from just a looming presence in the Barnes

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01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 3: and Noble Aisle to knowing that she is I don't know,

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01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 3: no small part made some of our worst schools possible.

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Speaker 2: Well, and also made the one of the sweaters and

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01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 2: Sister Act and the boys costumes in Hook.

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Speaker 4: If you remember nothing else you know that feels that

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01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 4: feels about right?

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01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah that I am going.

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01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 3: To rewatch the Shock tonight. And guess which sweat I

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01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 3: could rewatch?

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01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 2: You know what, let's all rewatch Sister Act.

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01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 3: That's a very gentle to watch.

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01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 2: A good Yeah, yeah, rewatched Sister Act. We'll watch a

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01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 2: good TNG episode where she played where she plays guy,

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01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 2: and maybe the one where they go back in time

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01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 2: and meet Mark Twain. He's got a ridiculous mustache.

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01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 4: And most importantly, we I, oh, I know we had

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Speaker 4: an episode of Lower Decks about that.

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01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 3: Uh huh, how could you not?

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01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,719
Speaker 4: Most importantly, well, we'll go back and watch the Christine

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01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 4: Baranski episode of Fraser.

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01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Christine Baranski episode of Fraser. Uh, the episode

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01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 2: of TNG where they will the two parter where they

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Speaker 2: go back to San Francisco in old times, and then

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Speaker 2: of course the movie Sister Act and Hook. If you've

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Speaker 2: got time.

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Speaker 3: Actually a very relaxing weekend watch list.

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Speaker 2: It seems like a nice weekend, you know what. Everybody

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Speaker 2: have fun, Jamie.

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Speaker 1: Do you have anything you want to plug at the

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Speaker 1: end here? Perhaps a podcast?

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01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 4: You know, I would love to plug a sixteenth minute

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01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 4: as well as the Bechdel Cast, which we firmly are

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01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 4: in denial that we have anything to do with any

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Speaker 4: of this, but yes, listen to sixteenth minute on cool

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Speaker 4: Zone Media.

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01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 3: There's actually a lot of what I was thinking throughout

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01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 3: this episode had to do with an interview on a

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Speaker 3: recent episode with Carol J.

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Speaker 4: Adams, author of the Sexual Politics of Meat, who was

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01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:51,719
Speaker 4: harassed and dosed for weeks and like an entire summer

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01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 4: by Rush Limbaugh back in the day and then went

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Speaker 4: on to be harassed and docksed by Jordan Peterson fans

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Speaker 4: just a couple of years ago, and we talked about

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01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 4: out sort of the you know, illusion that this is

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Speaker 4: an Internet problem when it has existed in a very

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Speaker 4: similar form for a long time.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, check out my interview with Carol and if

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01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 3: you just like Internet main characters, that's the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go to hell, I love you Bye.

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