Speaker 1: All right, one hundred and forty one day, Scott Shannon,
Speaker 1: thank you eight hundred and nine four one. Sean, you
Speaker 1: want to be a part of the program. You know,
Speaker 1: I said this the other night, ending the program on
Speaker 1: Friday night to Laura Ingram, I said, yeah, my heart's
Speaker 1: troubled again. I've been saying that a lot instead of
Speaker 1: what you know would usually be said, let not your
Speaker 1: heart be troubled and believe in me. And then I
Speaker 1: believe all of that with all my heart. And I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you it's troubled. I just know. I am like, oh,
Speaker 1: what is happening to this country? If you love America
Speaker 1: and you're watching all this and you think of all
Speaker 1: that we've been through. It's only June fifteenth, but we
Speaker 1: have one hundred and forty one days we have I
Speaker 1: think the single biggest, most important pivotal you know, the
Speaker 1: future of America on the line election. And look at
Speaker 1: what we've been through just from January straight on through
Speaker 1: and it just gets worse every single solitary day, the
Speaker 1: worst pandemic and over one hundred years. You see, you know,
Speaker 1: you learn from things. You see some good things, you
Speaker 1: see some horrible things. We learned what we did right,
Speaker 1: you learn what we did wrong. You're seeing resurgences now
Speaker 1: that we've got to pay very close attention to. I've
Speaker 1: always said, it's not if, it's when, and it's going
Speaker 1: to happen, and how we deal with that part of
Speaker 1: it is crucial, and I think we've learned a lot
Speaker 1: of lessons to do a lot better with it, and
Speaker 1: the country now struggling to reopen people craving it. Then,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, leading into what happened with George Floyd,
Speaker 1: which never ever should have happened, which shocked the conscience
Speaker 1: of a nation. Then of course leading to rioting, looting, arson,
Speaker 1: a number of dead police officers, to cop in Vegas
Speaker 1: by the way, it looks like he's paralyzed for life.
Speaker 1: You know, so many others of Americans killed in the process,
Speaker 1: many hundreds others injured, eight hundred cops injured, rocks and
Speaker 1: bottles and molotov cocktails and bricks thrown at the cops.
Speaker 1: And then we have precincts being burnt to the ground, looting, arson, rioting,
Speaker 1: And yeah, people make a good point that there are
Speaker 1: peaceful protesters, and amongst them you have the agitators and
Speaker 1: there are a lot of them though too, and that's sad.
Speaker 1: And those that want to march for the right reasons,
Speaker 1: I'm not bundling them in with the anarchists. But then
Speaker 1: you go to Minneapolis defund the police and the city
Speaker 1: council that has a veto proof majority to now get
Speaker 1: rid of the police department, and they're serious, you know.
Speaker 1: Then we go to Seattle and the Autonomous Zone or
Speaker 1: the Free Love Zone or the Summer of Love, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have street parties and we're gonna have you know,
Speaker 1: it's like when big block party going on all throughout it.
Speaker 1: I never thought that we would have entire city blocks,
Speaker 1: including a police precinct, taken over by anarchists and the
Speaker 1: mayors seemingly siding with it all out in Seattle, and
Speaker 1: the governor told really impotent and incompetent to deal with
Speaker 1: any of it. And then you look at all of
Speaker 1: the officers offers of help of the president, let me
Speaker 1: help you, let me help. You have to ask for
Speaker 1: the help, but I want to help you. I want
Speaker 1: to help you. And the same in New York and
Speaker 1: the same in Illinois, and you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: things then start bubbling to the surface, and you know,
Speaker 1: we start wanting to look deeper and deeper and deeper
Speaker 1: in to the causal effects and socioeconomics and and and those.
Speaker 1: The fact that there are some bad cops, but it's
Speaker 1: not the majority of them. It's not it's not even
Speaker 1: ninety eight eight percent of them, I argue, are good people.
Speaker 1: Every I know a lot of cops. Everybody that's a cop,
Speaker 1: everybody know that it's a teacher, Everybody I know that's
Speaker 1: a fireman, everyone that I know is a paramedic. Most
Speaker 1: people are going into medicine. They go in because it's
Speaker 1: their calling, it is their passion for life, and they
Speaker 1: do it knowing there's a pretty you know, look, there's
Speaker 1: there's a limit. They're not going to get rich doing
Speaker 1: any of those jobs. But it is a calling to
Speaker 1: protect and to serve, and they know that they're putting
Speaker 1: their lives at risk every time that they put on
Speaker 1: that uniform, and they do it anyway, And because that's
Speaker 1: our line of defense against the fact that there is
Speaker 1: evil and there are bad people. You know, the human
Speaker 1: condition is what the human condition is. We've all sinned
Speaker 1: and we've all fallen short all I'll start with me there,
Speaker 1: and I'm just saying that, you know, we are better
Speaker 1: than this, We can be better than this, We can
Speaker 1: become a more perfect union. It's not as I don't
Speaker 1: say this lightly. When I quote recently deceased Barry Farber
Speaker 1: when he said there's never been a history a country
Speaker 1: in the history of mankind that has accumulated more power
Speaker 1: and abused it less. Didn't say we were a perfect
Speaker 1: country when not. And what we want to become, the
Speaker 1: beauty of our framers and our founders, is a more
Speaker 1: perfect union. We make strides to become a more perfect union.
Speaker 1: And I always add that there's never been a country
Speaker 1: in the history of mankind that is a human related
Speaker 1: more power and used it to advance the human condition
Speaker 1: than this one. And it's all because of liberty. It's
Speaker 1: all because of freedom. It's all because we believe that
Speaker 1: every human being is born with talent from God. Not again,
Speaker 1: we're endowed by our creator with rights, not with government
Speaker 1: giving us rights. That our creator gave us these rights.
Speaker 1: And then you look at you know, well, okay, we
Speaker 1: can factor in decades and decades of Democratic Party governance
Speaker 1: and blue states all across the country, and you see,
Speaker 1: you know, systemic failure everywhere. I mean again, I could.
Speaker 1: I didn't look today, But if I went and I
Speaker 1: googled how many were shot in Chicago, I'm sure I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked. And nobody does a thing, lifts a finger.
Speaker 1: We have a duty to protect our American family. We
Speaker 1: don't do it. You know, you have school systems in
Speaker 1: big cities. We spend more per capita than any other
Speaker 1: industrialized country on the face of the earth, with the
Speaker 1: worst results. Third highest spending city for per capita per
Speaker 1: student per year is Baltimore. But they have thirteen public schools.
Speaker 1: We are not one American child is proficient in math?
Speaker 1: How do you fail? And then, but even worse, how
Speaker 1: do you not step in and try to fix it? Why?
Speaker 1: Because you have this on holy alliance with teachers unions
Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party. Now we get to the inn
Speaker 1: this weekend, we all watched, and I watched, and I've
Speaker 1: studied this video again and again and again. Let me
Speaker 1: let's start with the facts. Let's start with So the
Speaker 1: police get a call from a Wendy's in Atlanta and
Speaker 1: Ray Schard Brooks is asleep in his car in the
Speaker 1: drive through lane. Police are called, they show up. Police
Speaker 1: officer knocks on the window, no response. Knocks on the window,
Speaker 1: no response opens the door. Takes a while we finally
Speaker 1: get her response. You can see Ray Shard at that moment,
Speaker 1: just waking up. Obviously is confused. And and here's that encounter.
Speaker 1: So the reason why we're here is because somebody called
Speaker 1: nine one one because you were asleep behind the wheel
Speaker 1: while you're in the drive through. Right do you call that?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. You don't recall that. You don't
Speaker 1: recall just minutes ago where you're passed out behind the
Speaker 1: wheel in the drive through. You don't recall that at all,
Speaker 1: Just complete blur. I wasn't drying, like I said, I
Speaker 1: just name my girlfriend. She probably with sleeping. But like
Speaker 1: I said, I faid bay, I want freaked fry. So
Speaker 1: far as I'm aware, you're the only person that's been
Speaker 1: seen in this vehicle. Run. Yeah, you've been in the
Speaker 1: driver's seat the whole time. So how did the car
Speaker 1: get into the drive through with you behind the wheel? Right?
Speaker 1: She drove here? I said, babe, I'm drinking in a
Speaker 1: black car in the black bottle bay and you got
Speaker 1: into your car. I say, Hey, you know what, no problem,
Speaker 1: I'll just meet you in the hotel, all right. That
Speaker 1: was the initial encounter. Now the first thing I want
Speaker 1: you to observe, and all of this up until the
Speaker 1: moment when the officers they offered a breath test. He
Speaker 1: agreed to the breath test. You know what I noticed
Speaker 1: on both sides is courtesy and respect. Courtesy and respect
Speaker 1: by the police officers raychard Brooks. Courtesy and respect from him.
Speaker 1: Here is when he was patted down by the police.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything on him, is okay? If I
Speaker 1: patch down to make sure if he I have this
Speaker 1: money gas? Is it okay? If I patch you down
Speaker 1: to make sure any weapon absolutely away for any quick?
Speaker 1: What is this? There's just a bunch of money in
Speaker 1: your mindy, What's what's all this money? How much money
Speaker 1: do you have in your party? I mean, baby, okay,
Speaker 1: it's like a bunch of ones and stuff here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely welcome your question. I remember you can see the side, right.
Speaker 1: I just came to get something big and you might
Speaker 1: just put your phone on the trunk of your car,
Speaker 1: all right. And then there was a moment too, all right,
Speaker 1: so the officer says, can you please park the car
Speaker 1: over here, and you know, I guess he had an
Speaker 1: out of state license. Uh okay, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: My mom had passed away about a year and a
Speaker 1: half ago. He goes, oh, I'm so sorry to hear it.
Speaker 1: I mean friendly. It was professional. Uh Ray Schard Brooks
Speaker 1: was courteous, even calling the cops by their last names.
Speaker 1: It was mutual. WO seemed like routine, very neutral. Now
Speaker 1: he the police officer that the second officer on the scene,
Speaker 1: asks if he could take a breathalyzer test, and it's
Speaker 1: completely up to you. Listen, will you take it for later?
Speaker 1: Best test for me? She has her no. I don't
Speaker 1: want to refuse any babe, And she has her no.
Speaker 1: It's completely got to us. Stop where okay, just wait
Speaker 1: here while I go. Oh, man, so trying to make sure, man,
Speaker 1: you're standing to drive, That's all I know. Man, I
Speaker 1: just you scared me a little bit because you were
Speaker 1: sleeping in the suns. You know why I was making
Speaker 1: sure you're okay. You know, no nuts. I know. I
Speaker 1: know you did see your row take a deep breath,
Speaker 1: then get your mouth through the mouth piece. But it's
Speaker 1: hards you can't tell take you to stop blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Stop very good,
Speaker 1: I said a few jurgis. I said how many? One
Speaker 1: and half? Like I said, I was it to the
Speaker 1: second cup. I wouldn't even I told her baby, let's
Speaker 1: go because I'm hungry. I what kind of drinks did
Speaker 1: you have? I'm not sure it's something sheet harder, she said,
Speaker 1: top show for whatever, top shop What I'm not shooting now?
Speaker 1: We had registered uh point one? Eight point oh eight
Speaker 1: is the legal limit? He gave it a number of
Speaker 1: different answers as it relates to. At first it was
Speaker 1: top shelve. What is top shelve mean? Then he said
Speaker 1: out to Margaret Ellie had one drink. Then it was
Speaker 1: a drink and a half, and it was Margarita's. And
Speaker 1: then I don't know what I had to drink, So
Speaker 1: you know, things were off. Officers said he smelled alcohol
Speaker 1: in the car obviously between maybe drinking, getting up, waking up,
Speaker 1: you know, he became more lucid as the engagement went on,
Speaker 1: but again professional until we get to this moment. Now,
Speaker 1: by the way, if you have young kids in the car,
Speaker 1: you may don't want to listen, give you a warning.
Speaker 1: This is when this is when everything up until that moment,
Speaker 1: to me, from what I seen, and I've watched it
Speaker 1: a lot, was the police professional doing their jobs, being
Speaker 1: respectful and Raychard Brooks being respectful. Okay, as he said,
Speaker 1: we just want to make sure you're safe to drive.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't want anybody get hurt. The police
Speaker 1: don't have any choice here. He's over the limit. That
Speaker 1: means you don't just get to take the keys and
Speaker 1: throw him and the bushes and ignore it. Here is
Speaker 1: when he struggles with the police. All right, I really don't.
Speaker 1: I think you had too much to drink to be driving,
Speaker 1: chanting back to can't put chance money back? Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: stop stop fighting, stop fighting, Stop fighting. You get you're
Speaker 1: gonna get time with the right, with the right jaser.
Speaker 1: Stop fighting. M my sticky drink from there again, up
Speaker 1: to that moment, it was fine. It was the moment
Speaker 1: of that they tried to put cuffs on. Then everything changed,
Speaker 1: and I think probably even to these of the cops,
Speaker 1: ray Schard Brooks initiates a battle with them. You can
Speaker 1: hear the cops they stop fighting, pop saying you gotta
Speaker 1: get taste you gotta get a taste, then hands off
Speaker 1: the taser. That's what it sounded like to me. Stop fighting,
Speaker 1: stop fighting, ends up fighting the two cops. I saw
Speaker 1: two instances where he seemed to hit the cops one
Speaker 1: each grabs the taser and starts running. We'll pick it
Speaker 1: up from the other side. Where that goes from there.
Speaker 1: Just it did not have to happen this way. It's
Speaker 1: so sad. A dui is not the worst thing in
Speaker 1: the world. Let's be honest. It's it's not good. Can't
Speaker 1: have people drunk because then innocent people can get killed.
Speaker 1: All right, glad you whether it's twenty to the top
Speaker 1: of the hour, eight hundred and ninety four one sean,
Speaker 1: you want to be a part of the program today.
Speaker 1: So it leads us to four specific parts with the
Speaker 1: police in Atlanta and Ray Schard Brooks. The initial encounter
Speaker 1: being padded down, taking the breathalyzer test, the conversations that
Speaker 1: go back and forth about well, I'm here, my mom
Speaker 1: passed away, going to a grave site, etc. Etc. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to hear that. M Listen, you know, we just
Speaker 1: gotta make sure you're okay to drive. We're worried about
Speaker 1: everybody's safety, and I know why. You know, you got
Speaker 1: to do your job. I totally understand and polite professional
Speaker 1: on both ends. And then we get into the situation
Speaker 1: where we get to this moment and I digress for
Speaker 1: a second here because you know, Cops, the TV show,
Speaker 1: after thirty two years, has been canceled, and Live PD,
Speaker 1: very highly rated show on cable, has also been canceled.
Speaker 1: You know, at the moment when the two police officers
Speaker 1: in Atlanta begin to put the handcuffs on Ray Schard Brooks.
Speaker 1: You know, up to that moment, everything is fine and
Speaker 1: then all hell breaks loose. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that as I watched this video over and over again,
Speaker 1: I think to myself, as I'm watching this, up to
Speaker 1: that second, it's okay, and it's gonna be take, probably
Speaker 1: taken into custody. I don't know. I've never gotten a duy,
Speaker 1: but I assume that it's pretty much a bench warrant.
Speaker 1: You're you know, somebody comes picks you up, you get
Speaker 1: a ticket, you get a date to show up, you
Speaker 1: go home, and not a great thing. Nobody wants to
Speaker 1: go through that, I'm sure, but it's a job that
Speaker 1: has to be done. We know the devastation of you know,
Speaker 1: mothers against drunk driving. We've learned, and the age day
Speaker 1: and age of uber, and you know, it's just too
Speaker 1: easy now not to have these accidents. You pay the
Speaker 1: money for the uber, You go out, you get your sandwich,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to get. You had a couple of drinks, Okay,
Speaker 1: nobody care. So I don't care how much you drink.
Speaker 1: That's up to you. But courteous, professional on all sides.
Speaker 1: And then it becomes okay, stop fighting, stop fighting. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get tased. You're gonna get tased. Hands off my taser.
Speaker 1: Stop fighting, stop fighting. And then the ensuing hits. I
Speaker 1: didn't see that there were big, big hits, but both
Speaker 1: officers getting hit out wrestled. There was a moment. I
Speaker 1: don't want to go back to my martial arts point
Speaker 1: because everyone gets annoyed with that. So but there's a
Speaker 1: moment that that I thought police had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: gain control and didn't. As I watch it over and
Speaker 1: over again and slowly, and it's easy to say, you know,
Speaker 1: after the conflict happens, he grabs the taser, he starts
Speaker 1: running down the parking lot in pursuit of the two officers.
Speaker 1: The DUI officer has his taser out. Then Ray Shard
Speaker 1: Brooks turns around, fires the taser that he took off
Speaker 1: one of the cops and then his shot twice. And
Speaker 1: he's no longer with us today. And that's the sad
Speaker 1: part to me, because none of this should have happened.
Speaker 1: It is a human life. Now we get into the
Speaker 1: question of all right, well, you know who is at
Speaker 1: fault here because the Atlanta Police now have they have
Speaker 1: gone forward. They announced that officer Garrett rolf he's the
Speaker 1: one that fired the shots. Veteran department. He was the
Speaker 1: DUI officer hired in October twenty thirteen. He has been fired.
Speaker 1: The other cop who was the initial cop on the
Speaker 1: scene seemed to have a good rapport with Ray Schard Brooks.
Speaker 1: He's been placed on administrative duty. He was called to
Speaker 1: the Wendy's failed to field sobriety test, resisted arrest, and
Speaker 1: during the struggle, grabbed the taser and ran. I can
Speaker 1: get into the technicalities of the law because we've been
Speaker 1: researching it all and I know that everybody thinks this
Speaker 1: might be all there's a slam dunk case etc. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you look at the law, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of it's going to depend on, for example, what
Speaker 1: how they categorize or characterize legally what a taser is,
Speaker 1: and whether or not, you know, what was the police
Speaker 1: offer thinking if the guy turns around, which he did
Speaker 1: in Rayschard Brooks and shoots the taser back of the cops.
Speaker 1: But as for the written law, it says he or
Speaker 1: she reasonably believes an employee, meaning a cop, can use
Speaker 1: deadly forced to apprehend a suspected felon only when and
Speaker 1: by the way, if you take the taser at that point,
Speaker 1: now you are a suspected felon. One he or she
Speaker 1: reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or
Speaker 1: an object, device, or instrument which used offensively against a
Speaker 1: person is likely or actually does result it's seriously serious
Speaker 1: bodily injury. When he or she reasonably believes that the
Speaker 1: suspect poses an immediate threat of serious bodily injury to
Speaker 1: the officer or two others or two when there is
Speaker 1: probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a
Speaker 1: crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm,
Speaker 1: and the employee reasonably believes that the suspect's escape would
Speaker 1: create a continuing danger of serious physical harm to any person.
Speaker 1: That's what the law says. You know, I walk away
Speaker 1: with this, and you know it was a lot of
Speaker 1: people when I came out immediately after seeing the seven minute,
Speaker 1: fifty five second video of George Floyd. I'm just I wrote.
Speaker 1: I just kept saying that you have no idea. This
Speaker 1: is the death sentence is this never should have happened.
Speaker 1: You can't keep your knee on somebody's neck with their
Speaker 1: head into the pavement like that and expect any other
Speaker 1: result than what happened to George Floyd. Most of my
Speaker 1: life on radio and TV, I often tell the story about, well,
Speaker 1: how did I learn not to rush the judgment? How
Speaker 1: do I learn? How do I always end up being
Speaker 1: right when so many others do rush to judgment? And
Speaker 1: that's because we don't rush to judgment. And I learned
Speaker 1: that in the Richard Jewel case. And I was on
Speaker 1: the air in Atlanta as a local host and the
Speaker 1: AJC comes out with, well, he fits the profile of
Speaker 1: the lone bomber because he lives with his mother and
Speaker 1: he was a security guard. Originally he was hailed as
Speaker 1: a hero because he cleared out the area when he
Speaker 1: saw a suspected package or backpackages laying there. It turns
Speaker 1: out he was right, and by pushing people away he
Speaker 1: probably saved a lot of lives that day. And I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: just because the guy lives with his mother, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he fits the profile of a domestic terrorist. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about. In the end, he did not. He
Speaker 1: did not do this, Lynn Wood, his attorney was also
Speaker 1: representing Nicholas Salman, swears to this day that Richard Jewel
Speaker 1: died at forty four because of the devastation and the
Speaker 1: stress and the pressure was overweight and all that those
Speaker 1: other factors existed, but that was a certainly a contributing
Speaker 1: cause in his death. And he has explained that on
Speaker 1: this program numerous times. And then yet then I say, well, okay,
Speaker 1: how does everyone get hands up, don't shoot? How did
Speaker 1: I get that right and everybody else got that wrong
Speaker 1: in the media. Well, one of the reasons is is
Speaker 1: I do my due diligence. And I talked to police
Speaker 1: on the ground that were there that already knew that
Speaker 1: there were numerous people that would testify that just happened
Speaker 1: to be because again identity politics came into play in
Speaker 1: that case. That said it was exactly how Officer Darren
Speaker 1: Wilson described it, African American witnesses saying, yeah, he was
Speaker 1: being charged that by Michael Brown told him to stop, stop, stop,
Speaker 1: He didn't stop. The initial shot was fired in the
Speaker 1: car when Michael Brown reached into the car. That's what
Speaker 1: the evidence showed. That's what the testimony ended up showing.
Speaker 1: I knew in the Zimmerman Treyvon case, and I would
Speaker 1: say I wish George Zimmerman would have just called the police,
Speaker 1: but that there was an eyewitness that was going to
Speaker 1: identify Treyvon on top of George Zimma at the moment
Speaker 1: when this became deadly, you know, saying he was pounding
Speaker 1: his head into the ground. That testimony would impact the case.
Speaker 1: I knew that from the very beginning. If you look
Speaker 1: at for example, Freddie Gray, there was just a consensus
Speaker 1: that this was a slam dunk case and the six
Speaker 1: officers there were going to end up, you know, all
Speaker 1: being convicted. And I was like, none of them are
Speaker 1: going to be convicted, because again, what my sources were
Speaker 1: telling me at the time that knew a lot, and
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends in law enforcement. We
Speaker 1: worked sources in the Duke lacrosse case. I took the
Speaker 1: time and I went out to Garden City, Long Island,
Speaker 1: and I met with some of the kids and some
Speaker 1: of the family members, and a very different tale was
Speaker 1: beginning to emerge. And I very early on understood that
Speaker 1: in spite of, you know, just condemnation by the Duke
Speaker 1: school community, even close to one hundred professors taken out
Speaker 1: an article signing a petition in the newspaper based Lee
Speaker 1: convicting these kids there because quote, they're a bunch of privileged,
Speaker 1: you know, athletes that you know, think their blank doesn't stink. Well,
Speaker 1: they all ended up proving their innocence. You know, Timestamp,
Speaker 1: video stamp at an ATM machine wasn't there at the
Speaker 1: time of the allegation, Timestamp going into a dorm not
Speaker 1: there at the time of the allegation. And in the end,
Speaker 1: the kids had to one by one prove their innocence
Speaker 1: in that case, and then a lot of other things
Speaker 1: came out in that allegation. We did the same thing
Speaker 1: with UVA. We did the same thing with Cambridge Police.
Speaker 1: And you know, this is a part of what I've
Speaker 1: realized and part of my work is to is to
Speaker 1: dig deeper than the average person digs. Here. Now, how
Speaker 1: they define and and we'll have lawyers on this program
Speaker 1: examining this in the days to come. How they ultimately
Speaker 1: define a taser in that moment is going to be
Speaker 1: probably where Lee lead this case ends, assuming that Officer
Speaker 1: Garrett Rolfe is in fact indited. Remember you're gonna die
Speaker 1: a ham sandwich. But again, the one thing I would
Speaker 1: caution here is again if you go back to the
Speaker 1: moment where just up until the point he's getting asked
Speaker 1: to be handcuffed because he's over the limit. You can't
Speaker 1: let somebody drive a car drunk. You can't. At that
Speaker 1: point they tried to put the handcuffs and then the
Speaker 1: conflict was initiated. There's no ambiguity. This is why I
Speaker 1: like body cams. I like vehicle cams, patroller cams, etc.
Speaker 1: Squad car cams, whatever you want to call him, because
Speaker 1: it helps us put a more accurate picture together. Then
Speaker 1: we have, I guess the video from Wendy's and that
Speaker 1: came into place. We haven't even gotten to the idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: now the Wendy's has burned to the ground. Apparently they've
Speaker 1: identified who the person is that started that fire in
Speaker 1: that particular case, and on the heels obviously of George Floyd.
Speaker 1: The timing couldn't be worse because it's such a highly
Speaker 1: charged atmosphere in the country right now in a lot
Speaker 1: of different ways, and the ensuing violence and now anarchy
Speaker 1: in some places that has taken over, and so a
Speaker 1: lot of it's going to if you want the law
Speaker 1: on this, a lot of it is going to come
Speaker 1: down to say that. My first thought is is it's
Speaker 1: so sad and tragic. I don't know. You know. Number one,
Speaker 1: you can't drive drunk on the age of uber in
Speaker 1: my view, you have a drink too. I think two
Speaker 1: drinks is usually the limit from my but don't take
Speaker 1: my word for it. You know, you know, buy one
Speaker 1: of those those breathalyzers yourself. You can buy them. And
Speaker 1: you can't resist, and you can't fight, and you can't
Speaker 1: steal a weapon. Then you can't turn around and fire
Speaker 1: a weapon, even if it's a taser. So I walk
Speaker 1: away with a number of things without rushing to judgment
Speaker 1: because I think everybody deserves the presumption of innocence and
Speaker 1: the tech. What the written law here is will play
Speaker 1: a big factor in what we're viewing, and so many
Speaker 1: other people want to rush to judgment on them, regardless
Speaker 1: of what it's going to be defined. As you know,
Speaker 1: the first question I have is, Okay, if you shoot
Speaker 1: the taser once, is that does it have one shot
Speaker 1: or two? Because I think there are two versions of that.
Speaker 1: I don't know in this particular case, I've not been
Speaker 1: able to get a definitive answer. I've gotten mixed answers
Speaker 1: on that. A couple of things that come to mind,
Speaker 1: and I know the President I think this week, according
Speaker 1: to reports all over, that he's going to come out
Speaker 1: with certain reforms. I think one of them has to
Speaker 1: be only if it's imminent danger on a chokehold, because
Speaker 1: that's the most sensitive part of the human anatomy. I
Speaker 1: can agree with that. But if a CoP's life is
Speaker 1: in danger, all bets have to be off. If he
Speaker 1: thinks there's a physical confrontation and that's the only way
Speaker 1: that he can he can stop somebody from maybe killing
Speaker 1: him or her, that has to be an understanding of
Speaker 1: the difficulty of that job. I think again we get
Speaker 1: back to we need more training for these officers, and
Speaker 1: I go back to a third point that I've been
Speaker 1: making other non lethal options available to the police. I
Speaker 1: am not a big fan of that taser. Number one,
Speaker 1: you have to be a close range. You got it,
Speaker 1: You got the stupid wires that come flying out behind it.
Speaker 1: And now you're you're going for either the taser, the
Speaker 1: taser gets taken, now you only have one option, or
Speaker 1: if you shoot the taser and you miss, you only
Speaker 1: have one option. And I discussed in detail, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the some of the great new technology that's
Speaker 1: coming on market that I think will be ultimately an
Speaker 1: assist for police officers non lethal options that they will
Speaker 1: have now in terms of the neck, I think we
Speaker 1: all agree. In terms of training, I think we all agree,
Speaker 1: you know, add to the tools that the police have
Speaker 1: for non lethal force, I think that's critical. I think
Speaker 1: the public has a role to play here, and that
Speaker 1: is that the public has got to understand and there's
Speaker 1: got to be more communication, better communication with every community.
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's upsetting that it seems like everyone
Speaker 1: wants to just say, ninety nine percent of cops are horrible,
Speaker 1: and that's just not true. And I'll tell you other
Speaker 1: things that are going to happen. I heard Congressman Clyburn
Speaker 1: saying I fear the police now more than during segregation.
Speaker 1: M seventy nine percent of truckers say that they're not
Speaker 1: going to deliver the cities the defund police department. Minneapolis
Speaker 1: cops are resigning now in droves, you know, with this
Speaker 1: defunding effort. Now, the defunding effort is going nationwide. Seattle
Speaker 1: Mayer is just allowing the anarchists to take over with
Speaker 1: our summer of love and anarchy and you know, the
Speaker 1: autonomous zones and whatever you want to call it. She's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and the zone is a safe space for
Speaker 1: spaghetti potlucks. A movie predicting a summer of love. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: this woman is clueless out there. I don't know what
Speaker 1: she's thinking. He had an entire Florida city swat team
Speaker 1: in Hollandale Beach. They resigned because the police chief there
Speaker 1: kneeled with the protesters. Has been almost universal condemnation of
Speaker 1: all cops. Well, you found the police, who are you
Speaker 1: going to call? I always go back to that one
Speaker 1: question and if we surrender to the anarchists, what everyone knows,
Speaker 1: there's no private property, everything's free, and they get to
Speaker 1: build a wall and keep police out and take over
Speaker 1: their precinct. That's not going to end well in my view.
Speaker 1: And you know, did Minneapolis police what's happening in Seattle?
Speaker 1: The President's asking to help, they refuse any help whatsoever
Speaker 1: to restore law and order. If we don't have law
Speaker 1: and order, then what happens from there? Nothing good is
Speaker 1: going to come out of that. And you know it
Speaker 1: just I'm glad they had the body cam, but you know,
Speaker 1: how is it that we're just willing to throw an
Speaker 1: entire group of people that risk their lives for not
Speaker 1: a lot of money down the stairs and we have
Speaker 1: absolutely no room whatsoever for Let's wait for all the
Speaker 1: facts to come in. Let's look at the law. It's
Speaker 1: this is a very scary time for this country, and
Speaker 1: I really worry about where this is all headed. For
Speaker 1: everybody's sake, we're one country, we're one people. We've got
Speaker 1: to get along. We'll continue, all right, Welcome back our
Speaker 1: tow Sean Hannity's show, Glad you with us eight hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety four one Sean, if you want to be
Speaker 1: a part of the program, all right, let me play
Speaker 1: for all of you. Is this is what happened in
Speaker 1: Atlanta over the weekend. Ray Schard Brooks's initial counter with
Speaker 1: the police, him being padded down by the police, him
Speaker 1: taking a breathalyzer. Up to the moment, I hear nothing
Speaker 1: but respect on both sides, up until the moment they
Speaker 1: began to cuff him, having obviously been above the driving
Speaker 1: limit for alcohol. And when things went bad, but got
Speaker 1: to give you a listener warning. It's it's hard to hear.
Speaker 1: So the reason why we're here is because somebody called
Speaker 1: nine one one because you were asleep behind the wheel
Speaker 1: while you're in the driving through. Right do you call that?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. You don't recall that. You don't
Speaker 1: recall just minutes ago where you were passed out behind
Speaker 1: the wheel in the drive through. You don't recall that
Speaker 1: at all. Absolutely just complete blur. I wasn't driving, like
Speaker 1: I said, I just dame my girlfriend. She probably with sleeping.
Speaker 1: But like I said, I said, baby, I want freaked fry.
Speaker 1: So bars, I'm aware you're the only person that's been
Speaker 1: seen in this vehicle. Run Yeah, you've been in the
Speaker 1: driver's seat the whole time. So how did the car
Speaker 1: get into the drive through with you behind the wheel?
Speaker 1: She drove here, I said, babe, I'm drinking in a
Speaker 1: black car in the black bottle ball and you got
Speaker 1: into your car. I said, hey, you know what, no problem,
Speaker 1: I'll just meet you in the hotel. I don't have anything,
Speaker 1: or is okay if I bat you down? Just makes
Speaker 1: if you I have just money gas? Is it okay
Speaker 1: if I pat you down to make you do any weapon?
Speaker 1: Absolutely face away for a real quick. What is this?
Speaker 1: There's just a bunch of money in your body? That's
Speaker 1: some more WI What's what's all this money? How much
Speaker 1: money do you have in your party? I mean, baby's
Speaker 1: n okay, like a bunch of ones and stuff? Here
Speaker 1: for absolutely welcome here. I do remember you can see
Speaker 1: the side right, howl. I just came to get something big.
Speaker 1: You might just put your phone on the trunk of
Speaker 1: your cart. You have any your hand, will you take
Speaker 1: it for la best test for me? Yes or no?
Speaker 1: I don't want to refuse any pay it's yes or no.
Speaker 1: It's completely got to you. Yes, well okay, just wait
Speaker 1: here while I go out oh man, So make sure, man,
Speaker 1: you're staying to drive. That's all I know, man, I
Speaker 1: just you you scared me a little bit because you
Speaker 1: were sleeping in there, So that's you know why I
Speaker 1: was making sure you're okay, you know, And that's I know.
Speaker 1: I know you did. Still your draw just take a
Speaker 1: deeper at then you're out throw them out piece. But
Speaker 1: it's hard. You can't tell tell you stop. Blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Stop. Very good,
Speaker 1: I said, a few jerks, I said, how many? One
Speaker 1: and half? Like I said, I was into the second cup.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even I told her, baby, let's go because
Speaker 1: I'm hungry. I what kind of drinks did you have?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's something cheet harder, she said, Top
Speaker 1: show for whatever, top shop what I'm not shooting, all right,
Speaker 1: I really don't. I think you've had too much to
Speaker 1: drink to be driving Put Chance waking back to win
Speaker 1: put chance money. But he stop, fun funny stop funny
Speaker 1: stop fun you get you're gonna get time with the
Speaker 1: right with my sticky drink. The thing that just stands
Speaker 1: out in this this entire exchange, and I watched it
Speaker 1: so many times, like so many of you have. Here
Speaker 1: is from the first moment of the encounter, um all
Speaker 1: the way up to the moment the two officers tried
Speaker 1: to put handcuffs on Ray Shard Brooks. It was professional,
Speaker 1: it was there was respect on all sides, everything that
Speaker 1: you think you'd want to hear in terms of an
Speaker 1: exchange with a police officer and a citizen, and then
Speaker 1: all hell break slows, which you just heard. Also here
Speaker 1: to help sort through all of this, we have former
Speaker 1: Commissioner of the New York Police Department, Bernie Carrick, author
Speaker 1: of The Grave Above the Grave. Remember he was the
Speaker 1: NYPD Commissioner during nine to eleven September eleven, two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, and former Lieutenant commander of the NYPD counter
Speaker 1: Terrorism Unit. Sergeant Dmitrick Penny is with US, twenty year
Speaker 1: Vet Dallas Police and president of the Dallas, Texas National
Speaker 1: Falling Officer Foundation, U as a congressional candidate now in
Speaker 1: Texas District thirty. Thank you both for being with us.
Speaker 1: Let me start with you, Sergeant Is I mean that
Speaker 1: up to that moment, did you see anything wrong on
Speaker 1: either side? Be it Ray shot Brooks or the police
Speaker 1: up to the moment when they began to cuff him
Speaker 1: no vision. First of all, I think it's so much
Speaker 1: to have me on Hannity, But yeah, I saw this thing.
Speaker 1: I watched this video over and over again to try
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, what went wrong, And the
Speaker 1: bottom line is, these officers did everything right when you
Speaker 1: got to that to that confrontation where the individuals start
Speaker 1: fighting with the officer, and when he took took that
Speaker 1: officers taser, the circumstances changed. This is not we were
Speaker 1: just talking a couple of days ago about George Floyd.
Speaker 1: This is not that, and the community need to completely
Speaker 1: understand this is not that. This that individual he created
Speaker 1: the deadly force and corner when that tayser was taken
Speaker 1: from that officer and we turned back around and pointed
Speaker 1: it at him, I think that tells a story in itself.
Speaker 1: You know. So I completely disagree with what the position
Speaker 1: that the mirror took on termulating that officer. I think
Speaker 1: that we, you know, they need to go back and
Speaker 1: look at this whole use of force situation to determine
Speaker 1: whether or not that force was reasonable and what on that.
Speaker 1: I have the exact language of what a suspected felony
Speaker 1: would be. And I'll get to that in a minute here.
Speaker 1: So we have the confrontation. You can hear the cops,
Speaker 1: you know, I think they were. I think we're all
Speaker 1: taken off guard just watching it. Um. But when you
Speaker 1: you know, you hear them, you know, stop fighting, stop fighting. UM,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get taste. You're gonna get taste.
Speaker 1: You know, stop fighting. Then you hear that he's taking
Speaker 1: the taser. UM a slight scuffle. For my perception, I
Speaker 1: saw the two cops hit by mister Brooks twice. He's
Speaker 1: he runs off with the taser. As he's running, he
Speaker 1: turns around and seems to fire it. One question I have,
Speaker 1: do you have one or two shots in that taser?
Speaker 1: Because I thought it was only one? Yeah, typically only
Speaker 1: one shot you got you got the one. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest fan of it. It's an option,
Speaker 1: but I think there's got to be other options that
Speaker 1: we give police down the road as we now are reevaluating,
Speaker 1: you know, other non lethal UM tools and a police
Speaker 1: officers just arsenal if you will in moments like this,
Speaker 1: non lethal meaning it will be effective, but it will
Speaker 1: also save more lives. Do you, based on the video
Speaker 1: that you see, do you think the shooting was justified.
Speaker 1: I hate to really get get into the mindset of
Speaker 1: the oficer, but I'm gonna tell you if if it's
Speaker 1: me and I'm in the field and this situation is
Speaker 1: happening in real time, and you gotta think these these
Speaker 1: are split second situation. I'm thinking about the way I've
Speaker 1: experienced it where I've we've had officers to die in
Speaker 1: the line of duty because they've missed guns, they've missed weapon. Okay,
Speaker 1: when that officer when that when when when mister Brooks
Speaker 1: took off and turned around with that weapon. In that
Speaker 1: officer's mind, I'm seeing the same thing I'm seeing gun.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing weapons, and I'm thinking pull your weapon in fire. Now,
Speaker 1: I've heard all these arguments about why he just didn't
Speaker 1: shoot him in the leg. You know, why did he
Speaker 1: why did he have you know, why didn't he shoot
Speaker 1: him with There's no training that says to shoot for
Speaker 1: the lake, of course, not absolutely not no. In fact,
Speaker 1: we trained the shooting a match. Yeah, of course you're
Speaker 1: shooting to stop the threat. You're not shooting that to
Speaker 1: execute or kill a person you're shooting to stop the threat.
Speaker 1: And that's what this convolution of of of the media
Speaker 1: is kind of planning in a certain way to make
Speaker 1: it appear that there's this there's this major problem within
Speaker 1: law enforcement where law enforce was just killing black people. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, let's talk about community interaction with law enforcement.
Speaker 1: We just start gearing people up with I talk about
Speaker 1: training all the time. It's not just the officers being
Speaker 1: trained on how to use force. It's on individuals. It's
Speaker 1: if it's a community understanding how force can be used.
Speaker 1: You have to understand it what predicament you can and
Speaker 1: cannot be aggressive with an officer in no situation should
Speaker 1: be aggressive with acer. But this, this was this was
Speaker 1: like I said, this was not a George Floyd's situation.
Speaker 1: This guy here, he put himself in harm's way by
Speaker 1: his acts worth all the sad tragedy. Again, in the
Speaker 1: moment Bernie Carroll leading up to this, I saw the
Speaker 1: interaction between the officer and with Ray Schard Brooks. I
Speaker 1: thought the officers were professional. It was one moment where
Speaker 1: the first cop that had asked him, you know, to
Speaker 1: park in the in the parking spot and get out
Speaker 1: of the lane. The drive through lane couldn't be more compassionate.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a real conversation between two human
Speaker 1: beings at that point. They were listening, and they were
Speaker 1: they were courteous, they were professional, um, and they were
Speaker 1: just there's nothing more they could have done. Um. They
Speaker 1: followed the policy by the book. Um. You know, the
Speaker 1: confrontation itself. I got to admit when I saw the
Speaker 1: when I saw the the body camp footage, I was
Speaker 1: a bit surprised at how you know, the courteous both
Speaker 1: sides were, um. And he even said, Brooks even said,
Speaker 1: I know you got a factor of you being from
Speaker 1: New York and this being the genteel South. But but
Speaker 1: but he's you know, he even says to the officer,
Speaker 1: you know, I know, you're just doing your job. Um.
Speaker 1: But the second they went to handcuff him, it changed.
Speaker 1: Then there was the assault, the attack, the you know,
Speaker 1: the seizure of the weapon. But but I want to
Speaker 1: I want to comment something that the sergeant said. And look,
Speaker 1: you know he comes out of Dallas PD. It's one
Speaker 1: of the best departments in the country. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: great cops. It's it's a rough town to work in
Speaker 1: and many, you know, and they've lost a bunch of
Speaker 1: cops in the line of duty. I remember my son
Speaker 1: was at one of the last funerals. Um there's a
Speaker 1: point that he made about the community and what the
Speaker 1: community has to do. And here's my problem with what's
Speaker 1: going on today shown and it refers to exactly what
Speaker 1: he said. Why aren't the mayors and why aren't the
Speaker 1: governors in towns around the country today telling the communities
Speaker 1: you cannot attack the police and assault the police. It's
Speaker 1: against the law. You cannot resist arrest, you cannot obstruct
Speaker 1: or interfere with an arresting officer. You can't run from
Speaker 1: the police, you can't hit him with your car, you
Speaker 1: can't disarm them. Why aren't they denouncing this action? The
Speaker 1: mayor fired this guy, threw him under the bus, crucified
Speaker 1: him in the court of public opinion without even a hearing.
Speaker 1: And you know what, that villainizes the cops, victimizes the thugs,
Speaker 1: when in fact they should be telling if you're going
Speaker 1: to scream and yell about reforms with policing, well you
Speaker 1: better be screaming and yelling at the communities where this
Speaker 1: stuff is happening, and they are completely annihilating the cops.
Speaker 1: All right, as we continue, Former Commissioner of the New
Speaker 1: York Police Department, Bernie Carrick also with us. Sergeant Demitrich
Speaker 1: Penny is with us out of Dallas. You know, if
Speaker 1: you look at the encounter, I mean, the stories changed
Speaker 1: quite a bit. Now. I think it took a lot
Speaker 1: to wake him up. When it was obviously his car
Speaker 1: was in the drive through lane. He seemed a little disoriented,
Speaker 1: um seemed to get more oriented as the encounter went on,
Speaker 1: you know, changed the story a little bit. In the beginning,
Speaker 1: he sounded confused and kind of out of it, and
Speaker 1: then he was specific about I only had a drink.
Speaker 1: Then it was a drink and a half of margharita. No,
Speaker 1: it was top shelf. I don't know what kind of
Speaker 1: drink I had. I mean, it really took me by surprise,
Speaker 1: you know, watching it, it was like what you would
Speaker 1: expect in an encounter where there's respect on both sides,
Speaker 1: just up until that moment and I get these I look,
Speaker 1: I believe those cops were probably shock that happened. Sergeant.
Speaker 1: I mean that what they called me of guard just
Speaker 1: watching it, I mean, because that's not normal behavior. But
Speaker 1: but we do know that this individual was intoxicated at
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, I think we you know, we
Speaker 1: you lose a little bit of the rationale. We're dealing
Speaker 1: with that. And I was fine up too, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean it was almost like he was agreeing to
Speaker 1: to you know, he knew he had done wrong. The
Speaker 1: officer had to had to take in the jail. But
Speaker 1: the fight, the fight is where the circumstances changed. Like
Speaker 1: I said, we were lost entirely. Too many officers, and
Speaker 1: officers are they're trying to do the best that they're can.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're faced with we're faced with, you know,
Speaker 1: dealing with the legal challenges on one side, and then
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the lawlessness on the other side. And
Speaker 1: now you have, you know, political leaders saying that we
Speaker 1: want to defund the police. It's it's hard enough as
Speaker 1: it is for law enforces to do that job. The
Speaker 1: average response time for an officer to even show up
Speaker 1: at a call to a priority call is three to
Speaker 1: five minutes. When right now it's taking these it's taking
Speaker 1: officers because they don't have enough officers to be there.
Speaker 1: Now it's taking up between ten and thirteen minutes. We
Speaker 1: know that there's a problem, there's a problem, but these
Speaker 1: problems are created by what's happened, these these social issues
Speaker 1: that are happening in the community, and our political leaders
Speaker 1: are not pushed and back on. They're not saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we need law and order in our community. We need
Speaker 1: our police officers to be protected. Nobody's gonna want to
Speaker 1: enter this profession if they think, in a snap of
Speaker 1: a down that they're going to be prosecuted for following
Speaker 1: their own training. Gotta I gotta take a break here
Speaker 1: at Sergeant Dimitric Penny with the Dallas Police Force, president
Speaker 1: of Dallas, Texas Falling Officer Association, now a congressional candidate
Speaker 1: in the thirtieth district. Former NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerrigg eight
Speaker 1: hundred and nine four one Sean. I'll also talk about
Speaker 1: all the chaos that has been going on out in
Speaker 1: Seattle Minneapolis to fund the police. We've got a lot
Speaker 1: more ground to cover with both of them. We'll continue.
Speaker 1: How long do you think Seattle in those few blocks
Speaker 1: looks like this, I don't know. We could have a
Speaker 1: summer of love. Well tell that to the police who
Speaker 1: was supposed to be in that precinct though, But I
Speaker 1: understand your sentiment. Mayor. We don't have to sacrifice public
Speaker 1: safety for First Amendment rights. Both can exist and we'll
Speaker 1: make sure that both the assistant Seattle, oh is it?
Speaker 1: And Jimmie, every time I just try to have a
Speaker 1: normal conversation with you just goes right to insts. Is
Speaker 1: that against the law? Is again against the law to
Speaker 1: insult a man in blue at a normal conversation. Uh,
Speaker 1: you guys get called the time, and you get and
Speaker 1: you take down the blacks and you get video. Have
Speaker 1: a good day, Jamie. I want him arrested for physical assault.
Speaker 1: All right. That was a videotape on viral on Twitter
Speaker 1: where cops was very nicely dealing with somebody and the
Speaker 1: person just starts screaming the saying could please be nice? Um,
Speaker 1: and then they just turn around and walked away. We're
Speaker 1: now seeing now a lot of police around the country
Speaker 1: are just saying, you know what, this isn't worth it anymore.
Speaker 1: We're not going to do this job. And they're leaving
Speaker 1: in droves, and you know, you see now it's gotten
Speaker 1: in the world of politics and Clyburn, I feel the
Speaker 1: police now more than during segregation, truck drivers are saying
Speaker 1: they won't deliver the cities with defunded police departments. They
Speaker 1: don't think it's safe. The defund effort gets bigger and
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger. The Seattle Mayer's saying that this autonomous zone,
Speaker 1: the summer of love zone, the safe space for spaghetti,
Speaker 1: pot lux and movies for the summer of love, is
Speaker 1: just madness. You see what's been happening all around the
Speaker 1: country in every way shape Maunter inform. And you see
Speaker 1: now police precincts being burned to the ground and others
Speaker 1: being taken over completely. You don't see any efforts to
Speaker 1: even stop it in any way. You have an entire
Speaker 1: Florida city swat team that resigned after the police chief
Speaker 1: was kneeling with the protesters. That will remain on the
Speaker 1: police force. But they've left the swat team out in
Speaker 1: Hollandale Beach. So no thanks, we don't need this now.
Speaker 1: One Democratic Al Green is now calling for believe it
Speaker 1: was him, Yeah, it was him, calling for the creation
Speaker 1: of a Department of Reconciliation. Okay, I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means, because if you surrender to anarchy, and they're
Speaker 1: able to take over city blocks and police precincts that
Speaker 1: nothing has done to stop it. Who are you going
Speaker 1: to call when something happens? I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: madness of all of this. Congresswoman Omar defending the call
Speaker 1: to dismantle the Minneapolis police. Now again she now also,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's unbelievable. It's just getting from bad
Speaker 1: to worse here. And you see anarchy now reigning and
Speaker 1: this is now the I guess you know, now a
Speaker 1: big issue in the campaign. And what is this growing divide?
Speaker 1: How does it all end in the end here? Anyway,
Speaker 1: we continue with former MYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerry and also
Speaker 1: he's the author of the Grave Above the Grave. He
Speaker 1: was the commissioner in New York's Police Police Department nine
Speaker 1: eleven one. As we all know, Sergeant Dimitric Penny, twenty
Speaker 1: one year vet Dallas Police also now a congressional candidate
Speaker 1: Texas Congressional District number thirty. Let me go back to
Speaker 1: what's going on in Minneapolis. The Stevefund, the police effort,
Speaker 1: the anarchists or the Free Love Zone CHAZ as they
Speaker 1: call it, utopia as they call it. Now take it
Speaker 1: over city blocks. And by the way, on top of it,
Speaker 1: Bernie Carrick, we have over eight hundred officers now that
Speaker 1: have been hurt, a number of them now killed, a
Speaker 1: number of them permanently injured, one paralyzed in Vegas, and
Speaker 1: you know, rocks and bottles and bricks and molotov cocktails,
Speaker 1: and seeing no desire for the president who's begging these
Speaker 1: cities to restore order, they don't. They refuse to take it. Um.
Speaker 1: They put the entire from my perspective, they put the
Speaker 1: entire city of their cities at risk. Here. Plus, Sean,
Speaker 1: you have, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars in
Speaker 1: devastation damage as a result of the arts and in looting.
Speaker 1: You've got about twenty people that were innocence of ians
Speaker 1: that were shot and killed throughout this. Nobody's nobody's marching
Speaker 1: on their behalf. But I want to bring up a point, Sean,
Speaker 1: that I think is lost in the mix here. Most
Speaker 1: of these cities, every one of the cities you just mentioned,
Speaker 1: and most of the cities around the country where you
Speaker 1: have the highest violent crime rate and the highest murder rate,
Speaker 1: they're all run by democrats. They're run by democrats that
Speaker 1: have there. They're far left leaning. Uh, you know, radicals
Speaker 1: in many cases who basically wanted minished and abolish policing
Speaker 1: in general. And I think the lesson people had they
Speaker 1: should focus on that. They should look at New York City.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety four, when we averaged about twenty two
Speaker 1: hundred murders per year, we were the capital of homicide
Speaker 1: of murder in the United States of America, and over
Speaker 1: an eight year period under Giuliani, that number dropped by
Speaker 1: sixty three, by seventy percent, the murdered number dropped by seventies,
Speaker 1: violent crime by sixty three, and in the black communities
Speaker 1: in New York City that number dropped. Murder dropped by
Speaker 1: close to eighty percent. Thousands of black lives were saved
Speaker 1: as a result of basically enforcing law in order. We
Speaker 1: didn't have these problems with riots and all this other
Speaker 1: stuff we had had. We had issues within the police
Speaker 1: department that we had to deal with, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we had a leader, we had
Speaker 1: a mayor that enforced the law, dealt with the communities.
Speaker 1: I didn't have any problems As the police commissioner. I
Speaker 1: had fifty five thousand people working for me. I had
Speaker 1: no problems in the black community, so we had great relationships.
Speaker 1: It can be done, but today it's not being done.
Speaker 1: And in every one of those cities where black lives
Speaker 1: are being slaughtered at by numbers that compare with a
Speaker 1: war zone, like Chicago and Saint Louis and Baltimore, they're
Speaker 1: role run by Democrats. And I think that's something that
Speaker 1: has to be looked at. Okay, and your take, sergeant, Yes,
Speaker 1: just look, I want to play up on a commissioners position.
Speaker 1: In fact, they're all four on the four hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty five US House seats. This is why I'm running
Speaker 1: those four hundred and thirty five House seats. Twenty eight
Speaker 1: percent of them a majority minority districts. All of them
Speaker 1: are run by Democrats. No Republicans in no seats. Now,
Speaker 1: what we've done on the last every over the last
Speaker 1: fifty years, the failed social economic policies have led to
Speaker 1: the failures in these communities. Now, I come from the
Speaker 1: inner city. I come from I came from a community
Speaker 1: where police just didn't come in because of the level
Speaker 1: of crime. We didn't want them there. But we were
Speaker 1: being victimized at a higher rate than anywhere else in
Speaker 1: the country. And I say, everyone's an advocate until they
Speaker 1: become a victim. I said this last time, everyone's an
Speaker 1: advocate until they come a victim. When I had to
Speaker 1: witness my own cousin get killed in front of me,
Speaker 1: but for me to say, man, I got to get
Speaker 1: out of here like that had to wake something, had
Speaker 1: to wake me up. And and what's happening is you
Speaker 1: got a lot of people that aren't from these communities
Speaker 1: that are that are that are caring the guard letter
Speaker 1: and saying that we want the police out, we want
Speaker 1: them out. Well, guess what who's want of police these communities.
Speaker 1: Once you get them out, you get rid of the police,
Speaker 1: then nobody's going all the people are gonna do. They're
Speaker 1: gonna be subjected to more and more boling crime and
Speaker 1: the boding crime rate regardless of what we do, because
Speaker 1: we can't get people the goverment to come into this profession,
Speaker 1: the viol and crown raids still going up across the country. Now,
Speaker 1: on another note, I would like to also talk about
Speaker 1: our law enforcement officers. Okay, everyone wants to. We want
Speaker 1: to bring up the First Amendment right to protest and
Speaker 1: with and then first, amenber right, the protests should be
Speaker 1: protected by the first amendber of rights. We're all against that,
Speaker 1: I mean all we're all support we all support that,
Speaker 1: But by that same token, we have to start talking
Speaker 1: about these officers for a teenth Amendment right to fair
Speaker 1: and equal protections under the law, because they're not just
Speaker 1: going out there to be attacked, to be attacked and
Speaker 1: be and be murdered, and and and and be little
Speaker 1: by individuals that don't want to follow the law. We
Speaker 1: gotta start getting back to the conversation and talking about
Speaker 1: where does the letter of the law mean anything, the
Speaker 1: rule of the law, what does it mean anything. That's
Speaker 1: how a miracle became a great the great democracy that
Speaker 1: it was, was our law. And we have to get
Speaker 1: back to business and start talking about how we're going
Speaker 1: to take people. And that's why I'm running. So what
Speaker 1: do you do now when you got a mayor and
Speaker 1: you got a governor that are allowing anarchists to take
Speaker 1: over city blocks and city precincts, which I never thought
Speaker 1: would happen in my lifetime, Bernie Kerrick, And they reject,
Speaker 1: steadfastly reject the president's daily offer for help and assistance
Speaker 1: to restore order, which, by the way, as long as
Speaker 1: they're not in there killing each other, I don't think
Speaker 1: the President should be getting involved that. If that's how
Speaker 1: they want to run their state, If that's how they
Speaker 1: want to run their cities and allow anarchists to do
Speaker 1: what they're doing out there, unless and until it becomes
Speaker 1: totally untenable, that's their responsibility. They say no, well, president
Speaker 1: offers help. No, Chicago, Illinois, president offers help. No. New
Speaker 1: York same thing. No. You listen, and I want to
Speaker 1: remind people those numbers I gave you in New York City.
Speaker 1: That was during Giuliani's term. After Giuliani, Mayor Bloomberg came
Speaker 1: in for twelve years. For twelve years, so for twenty
Speaker 1: years straight, every single year there was violent crime reduced
Speaker 1: murder in New York City. We had the most substantial
Speaker 1: reductions in US history ever. And the only time, the
Speaker 1: only time in twenty years after that twenty year period,
Speaker 1: the only time it started to spike was under a Democrat,
Speaker 1: under Mayor n Blasio. Then it started to change, and
Speaker 1: in the last two weeks it spiked dramatically. And you
Speaker 1: have a mayor that basically told his cops, in his words,
Speaker 1: you're going to use a light touch in dealing with
Speaker 1: these thugs and rioters and arsonists and anarchists. And they
Speaker 1: burned Fifth Avenue, they burned Madison Avenue, soho the Diamond Exchange.
Speaker 1: And you had a governor sitting in Albany saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not happy with the cops. I'm not happy with
Speaker 1: the police. They didn't do their job. The mayor didn't
Speaker 1: do his job. Really well, what is your job? You've
Speaker 1: run the state of New York. Where are you? Why
Speaker 1: weren't you there? What are you doing? And you know
Speaker 1: what for any of these any of these executives, any
Speaker 1: of these mayors or governors in any state that refuses
Speaker 1: help from the President with regard to the National Guard
Speaker 1: in rescoring law and order, they have a constitutional obligation
Speaker 1: to their citizens, and they're refusing for political reasons because
Speaker 1: they know the president's right, and they also know the
Speaker 1: President's not going to stand for it. And if they
Speaker 1: can't do their job, and he has to the job
Speaker 1: will get done. So what do they do They refuse?
Speaker 1: That's the refuse. Yeah, I gotta tell you, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to let you both go. But former Commissioner m YPD.
Speaker 1: Bernie Karen, Sergeant Dmitrich Penny. By the way, he's running
Speaker 1: for Congress Texas c D thirty Congressional District thirty. Thank
Speaker 1: you both. Eight hundred and ninety four one. Sean, you
Speaker 1: want to be a part of the program, right, Jim
Speaker 1: is in Texas. Jim, You're next on the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good, sir. How are you today?
Speaker 1: I'm good, sir. Glad you called excellent. Sir. I'll get
Speaker 1: right to my point. In the recent weeks, I've heard
Speaker 1: you speaking a lot about how you feel that what
Speaker 1: happened in the Floyd incident was really just due to
Speaker 1: a lack of training with police officers, and you want
Speaker 1: more training. And I understand that point, sir, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't disagree with you more. And the reason is, sir,
Speaker 1: is Floyd did not die from the chokehold. That was
Speaker 1: not a lack of training. That was just a lack
Speaker 1: of moral character. That was just pure evil. In most agencies,
Speaker 1: the chokehold is already illegal. And if you know anything
Speaker 1: about training like you say you do, you can see
Speaker 1: that Floyd was not in a chokehold. He just had
Speaker 1: a knee on his neck. And I don't remember the
Speaker 1: last that were killed from a chokehold, and it just
Speaker 1: drives me crazy. And they when I hear people say
Speaker 1: we're not trained well enough. I'm a patrol pugent. I've
Speaker 1: been a police officer for thirteen years, and we get
Speaker 1: trained beyond belief. We go through de escalation training, we
Speaker 1: go through a defensive tactics training with martial arts involved
Speaker 1: in it. Even even now in Texas when you go
Speaker 1: through the driver's license when you're drivers d when you're
Speaker 1: a young person, you're trained on how to interact with
Speaker 1: police officers. Therefore, police officers are trained on what young
Speaker 1: people are trained to interact with. You know, we have
Speaker 1: we're trained in de escalation markets and in our my
Speaker 1: particular area, we even have a unit that goes out
Speaker 1: with a social worker for suicidal attempts in any kind
Speaker 1: of mental issue and the other way. I think that's
Speaker 1: a great idea to get a company police and maybe
Speaker 1: the experts in that field, because cops can't possibly do
Speaker 1: all that. Listen, I gotta run, But I know the
Speaker 1: White House is expected to come out with reforms and
Speaker 1: this week a lot of them hopefully will include training
Speaker 1: and will include other people that could show up and
Speaker 1: maybe help, you know, professionally, those people that might have
Speaker 1: other issues, problems that they've got to deal with. I'm
Speaker 1: not against any of that. More training. I'm absolutely more
Speaker 1: options in terms of non lethal tools available for police officers.
Speaker 1: Love that idea too, and I've been talking about that extensively.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I gotta take a break. We'll come back
Speaker 1: on the other side. By the way, we will get
Speaker 1: into the issue. What about Okay, the uprisings that are
Speaker 1: now happening around the country. Is COVID nineteens resurgence a
Speaker 1: big deal? What about riots in our city streets and
Speaker 1: now police standing down? Straight ahead right here for our
Speaker 1: final news round up and information overload and a far
Speaker 1: more serious scene. Watch. These images are really just an ugly,
Speaker 1: a dangerous scene at the state Capitol in Michigan as
Speaker 1: we look at this extreme group of people. Those pictures
Speaker 1: and those clashes really show the chaos and you're out
Speaker 1: there with guns. I don't want to call them rallies.
Speaker 1: They're not protests. These quote unquote protests. I don't even
Speaker 1: think that that's the right word, because protests are supposed
Speaker 1: to be peaceful. I'm not embarrassed to say that I
Speaker 1: was afraid. It's not clear what they're demanding. Demanding to
Speaker 1: infect other people, demanding to make other people thick. It's dangerous,
Speaker 1: and these people can take this home with them and
Speaker 1: hurt their families and all the rest. I'd like to
Speaker 1: ask them if they're willing to sign away their right
Speaker 1: to treatment if and when they get infected. Who the
Speaker 1: hell do you think you are? I don't understand what
Speaker 1: is wrong with people stay at home. I want to
Speaker 1: be clear and how I characterize this is mostly a protest.
Speaker 1: It is not, generally speaking unruly. That ain't a riot
Speaker 1: what we're seeing right now in Minneapolis. With me, any
Speaker 1: reasonable person would say we shouldn't be destroying other people's property.
Speaker 1: But these are not reasonable times. And please show me
Speaker 1: where it says that protests are supposed to be polite
Speaker 1: and peaceful. The beautiful thing is we're seeing citizens who
Speaker 1: are carrying in concerned, they're hitting the streets. Heartwarming to
Speaker 1: see so many people turn out peacefully. You know, Brook
Speaker 1: I pick this is a march, really, but as they're
Speaker 1: coming off, it's peaceful. They're saying peaceful protests across the country.
Speaker 1: It's bringing people together, community with unity. People are risking
Speaker 1: COVID to explain to this country that we're fed up news,
Speaker 1: round up information overload hour on the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is unbelievable. We're living in the craziest times.
Speaker 1: We see what happens in Atlanta, you know, we see
Speaker 1: what is happening in Seattle. We see what's happening to
Speaker 1: fund the police. We're in the middle of an election
Speaker 1: season with one hundred and forty one days to go,
Speaker 1: and it is it's getting scarier by the day. You
Speaker 1: have to worry about a COVID resurgence in some places.
Speaker 1: A lot of the numbers that I'm seeing are like
Speaker 1: quote percentage increases from the day before, three weeks before.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that it was as bad. But you know,
Speaker 1: I've said from the beginning, it's a matter of when,
Speaker 1: not a matter of if we get a resurgence. Doctor
Speaker 1: Rozowey said that as well. We bring back to the
Speaker 1: program Joe Conscha, commentator opinion calumnist for The Hill, and
Speaker 1: Mark Simone, host of the Morning Show here in New York.
Speaker 1: Our flagship in New York, AM seven ten wr Mark Simone,
Speaker 1: We've begin with you big overall picture, one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty one days. The American people, they're the ultimate jury.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to sort through all of this. Your thought, sir, well,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden not the slickest candidate in the world, not
Speaker 1: the smoothest, talking, fast candidate in the world. I don't
Speaker 1: know how he defends defund the police. I don't know
Speaker 1: what possible argument he can make for that. He's backed
Speaker 1: away from it, but he's still gonna have to answer
Speaker 1: for that, and allowing six blocks Seattle to be seized
Speaker 1: and declared a foreign country. He's tied to all of that.
Speaker 1: These Democrats don't get their party back from the real
Speaker 1: crazy progressives. They have no shot in November. Not that
Speaker 1: they do anyway, but this is just making it one
Speaker 1: of the most impossible miss is mission impossible for Biden?
Speaker 1: If he ever gets out of the basement, Oh, if
Speaker 1: he what do you mean? If he ever gets out,
Speaker 1: He's getting out for like five seconds at a time.
Speaker 1: My favorite lionel last week, Joe Conchez. Oh, I'm fine
Speaker 1: with him. In the basement, he sees two people a day.
Speaker 1: The two body men that said he sees two people
Speaker 1: a day. I was a Democratic caucus caucus. No you haven't.
Speaker 1: You're a line, dog faced pony soldier, you said you are.
Speaker 1: But I'm nominated Democrat, a lifelong Democrat, a proud Democrat.
Speaker 1: Biden vomba Democrat. Because we cannot get reelected. We cannot
Speaker 1: win this reelection. Excuse me. We can only re elect
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I hope you'll all join us together. I
Speaker 1: think we can win back the House. We're going to
Speaker 1: keep the house. Increase it and flip the sentence. It's
Speaker 1: a large portion of the union workers. They are gun enthusiasts,
Speaker 1: and you are at to be trying to diminish your
Speaker 1: second amount of right and think we are gun, you're force.
Speaker 1: They go to shush, shush. No one is in a
Speaker 1: position where they have a significant financial disability as a
Speaker 1: consequence of this stars this particular crisis. We can do that.
Speaker 1: We did that. We've been through this before with the coronavirus.
Speaker 1: We've been through this before excooming. We've been through this
Speaker 1: before with dealing with the viruses at the N one
Speaker 1: h one five as well as what happened in Africa
Speaker 1: one way again, they get inspires by great leaders who
Speaker 1: are you know, called a supped or better angels, from
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln to all the way you know, to f
Speaker 1: Dr to to John Kennedy Bride et ce Rock. You
Speaker 1: have to take care of the cure that will make
Speaker 1: the problem worst, no matter what, no matter what. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: you know you're supposed to cough into your elbow. I
Speaker 1: don't know, sir. I learned that actually covering your White House,
Speaker 1: you know. Actually, actually that's true. But fortunately I'm alone
Speaker 1: in my home. But that's okay. Why doesn't he just
Speaker 1: act like a president? That's a stupid way to say, sorry,
Speaker 1: goodead No, no, I probably best I known. And what
Speaker 1: we have done is the reason why most of the
Speaker 1: world has repaired to us, particularly after World War Two,
Speaker 1: is because of who we are as a nation, We
Speaker 1: the people, we hold these truths, etc. Sounds corny, but
Speaker 1: it's real. If we were setting up an education system
Speaker 1: for the first time in our history, as we did
Speaker 1: at the turn of the last in the late eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: we would not say twelve years was enough. Twelve years
Speaker 1: is not enough to live in a tent. The second
Speaker 1: quarter of the middle of the twenty first century. What
Speaker 1: is President Trump's level of culpability? What's his level of responsibility? Say,
Speaker 1: toward the illness and fatalities we're witnessing every few minutes
Speaker 1: these days. I put it slightly differently here, what is
Speaker 1: his responsibility? And what if there wasn't an allocating responsibility? Is?
Speaker 1: You know, I'll let history do that. We need to
Speaker 1: get direct cash relief payments out to as many people
Speaker 1: as possible, as quickly as possible. Again, this may sound straightforward,
Speaker 1: but no Americans should have to wait a single minute
Speaker 1: so Donald Trump can put his signature on a physical check.
Speaker 1: Former vice president and Democratic presidential Kennet Joe Biden, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your time, so appreciate it. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks for giving me the time. Thank you. I don't
Speaker 1: wonder where I am now. I know when they asked
Speaker 1: me where is Joe Biden? I say he was on
Speaker 1: them showing MSNBC. People say all the time, Oh, we
Speaker 1: got to get the vice president of the basement. He's
Speaker 1: fine in the basebook. Two people see him a day,
Speaker 1: his two bodied people. That's it, and let Trump keep
Speaker 1: doing what Trump's doing. It's hard for the vice president
Speaker 1: to break through and he gets to sit down there
Speaker 1: quietly with no answers and a track record that's gonna
Speaker 1: be gone over with a fine tooth comb, and everywhere
Speaker 1: we begin to look, it's not particularly favorable to anything.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, well, I think that the fine tooth comb
Speaker 1: will probably be used by few right and some other
Speaker 1: outlets perhaps, but not many in the traditional mainstream media
Speaker 1: are going to scrutinize Joe Biden's record in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. We've seen that now to this point
Speaker 1: that he could say literally whatever he wants and not
Speaker 1: be challenged. For instance, the president won't leave office even
Speaker 1: if he loses, and I'll have the military protect him,
Speaker 1: and he's not going to leave, right, And that is
Speaker 1: just stuff that even like Alex Jones here is and says,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that that's out of control, that's the
Speaker 1: way out there. But he gets a pass because he
Speaker 1: could say whatever he wants. It's because obviously people want
Speaker 1: to see him get elected. But to Mark's point before,
Speaker 1: I mean, picture miss parallel universe for a moment, in
Speaker 1: terms of what we're seeing in Seattle. Let's say a
Speaker 1: large mob took over a neighborhood and say I don't
Speaker 1: know Brooklyn, right, And in fact, the mob isn't even
Speaker 1: a mob. It's the Covington Catholic kids, and they're wearing
Speaker 1: the Maga hat and this time you arm them, okay,
Speaker 1: And they forced the police to evacuate their own building,
Speaker 1: and then they construct walls, which are bad apparently, and
Speaker 1: then they patrol the area and say who gets in,
Speaker 1: who gets out. It's their own company in their country,
Speaker 1: and they call themselves CHAZ, which of course doesn't stand
Speaker 1: for the capitals whole Autonomo zone. This time it's the
Speaker 1: Covington High School Autonomo zone. What would the media reaction
Speaker 1: be because this story is largely being ignored, and I
Speaker 1: know what the media reaction will because I'm ve enough
Speaker 1: to remember, I don't know, a month ago, and you
Speaker 1: played it in your montage before, when some protesters took
Speaker 1: over or at least you know, for a little bit anyway,
Speaker 1: the State House in Michigan, and some were armed, and
Speaker 1: the only word that I could think of in terms
Speaker 1: of the media coverage was maybe it's two words. I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure what the answer is on this one.
Speaker 1: Freaked out and we're not seeing the freak out anymore
Speaker 1: because people agree with the message overall to fund the
Speaker 1: police and all these things. So, yeah, what we're seeing
Speaker 1: in terms of Seattle, when you compared to what happened
Speaker 1: to Michigan, you could teach a class on what media biases.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it looks like. You know. The bias
Speaker 1: is so palpable, so real. And I'm not overstating at
Speaker 1: Mark Simone, every second minute hour of twenty four hour day,
Speaker 1: every day since this guy, even before he was elected.
Speaker 1: And now we learned a lot of how they tried.
Speaker 1: People in power, the highest levels of power, tried to
Speaker 1: try to subvert a free and fair election. We learned
Speaker 1: that there was no Russia collusion. We see the double standard,
Speaker 1: quid pro quo, Joe zero experience hunter and now it's
Speaker 1: this And I watched city after city after city, No, universally, nobody,
Speaker 1: There's not one person I know that ever defended what
Speaker 1: happened to George Floyd. Not one. No, it's absolutely the
Speaker 1: single worst cop I've ever seen in my life. Ray Kelly,
Speaker 1: the greatest police Commission America, was on the show today.
Speaker 1: He even he said, in his thirty forty years, the
Speaker 1: worst thing he's ever seen. That's a problem with the protesting.
Speaker 1: You busy protesting to people who agree with you for
Speaker 1: the most part. And I hope this protest isn't wasted.
Speaker 1: You got America's attention. Use it for something specific, Get
Speaker 1: specific changes and things that you can get institutionalized. You know,
Speaker 1: it's fun to rename streets and paint things on the street,
Speaker 1: but that's just symbolic. It's not going to make any
Speaker 1: real change that don't don't waste the protest, get something
Speaker 1: accomplished with it. Well, okay, so, but how do you
Speaker 1: stop an effort when they have the veto proof, you know,
Speaker 1: city Council of Minneapolis that says we're going to defund
Speaker 1: the police. What do you do when you have a
Speaker 1: Seattle mayor that is calling this a summer of love
Speaker 1: and the festive Zone and every other bizarre thing that
Speaker 1: you know is being said about all of this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm reading this daily and I'm like, you're kidding me, right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna call it a festive zone. We're gonna say that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a spig street party. When you
Speaker 1: just take over city blocks, take over precincts. Cops don't
Speaker 1: go in the mayor doesn't care, the governor doesn't care.
Speaker 1: They don't want it to get involved at all. Seemingly well,
Speaker 1: I think this is what kills Democrats in November. They
Speaker 1: don't realize it yet, this way is started. They look
Speaker 1: at these crazy left wing progressive build the Blasio type mayors,
Speaker 1: this Minneapolis guy, this Dugie Howser left wing mayor, the
Speaker 1: mayor of Seattle who just gives up control. And then
Speaker 1: you see Joe Biden, you know, who just looks too slow,
Speaker 1: too out of control. Donald Trump said at once, the
Speaker 1: President said, this is the perfect candidate for these guys.
Speaker 1: This is what the big donors want. They'll put him
Speaker 1: in the nursing home and they'll run the country. And
Speaker 1: people are going to start to realize that even before
Speaker 1: the debates happened. Yeah Joe, Yeah, Joe Biden isn't running
Speaker 1: for president. Guys. Actually, this Mark just perfectly stated. They
Speaker 1: put him in. He's a vessel to get in because
Speaker 1: maybe you can bring him moderates in Pennsylvania, Ohio and
Speaker 1: Michigan and Wisconsin, those key states that Donald Trump took
Speaker 1: lass time. And then from there people you don't even know,
Speaker 1: forget who who the vice president is. People you don't
Speaker 1: even know. Behind the scenes, faceless people will be running
Speaker 1: this country. Gotta take a break. More with Joe Concho,
Speaker 1: More with Mark Simone on the other side, eight hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety four one, Sean, you want to be a
Speaker 1: part of the program, then your calls coming up next
Speaker 1: half hour. Look, I want one of the things that
Speaker 1: that I think is really important is that we somehow
Speaker 1: put that back on. There's somehow that we're in a
Speaker 1: situation where all right, as we continue with our friends
Speaker 1: Mark Simone, Joe Concho, or with us all right, Joe,
Speaker 1: So where does this all end in a one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty one days now that we get to hear
Speaker 1: the great Joe Biden and we see all of these
Speaker 1: all of this anarchy, chaos, disorder, failure of big liberal
Speaker 1: cities and states, does that now factor into what happens
Speaker 1: in November? I would think so. I'm getting out of
Speaker 1: the prediction business, by the way, because if you told
Speaker 1: me even in January that everything that just happened the
Speaker 1: last three months. I heard a great line from somebody recently.
Speaker 1: He said, we have lived an entire decade in the
Speaker 1: first five months of the twenties, right, crazy thing that's happened,
Speaker 1: it's not so who knows what the next one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty five days holds because we've had no room.
Speaker 1: Mark knows this. You know this, Sean. There hasn't been
Speaker 1: a slow day in news probably I don't know three
Speaker 1: or four years. So one hundred things can happen. But overall,
Speaker 1: in the end, if the fund the police actually sticks
Speaker 1: to Democrats and look, Alexandrocascio Cortez wants that, and she
Speaker 1: is an advisor on the on the Biden campaign as
Speaker 1: far as being part of the chairman of a task
Speaker 1: force that he runs. If he if the president's able
Speaker 1: to attach law and order and chaos to Democrats in
Speaker 1: terms of defunding the police, in terms of that, he's
Speaker 1: the guy who's going to keep the country safe. Well,
Speaker 1: if you let Biden and then you're gonna have seattle
Speaker 1: all over the place, then that we get in a
Speaker 1: very composition. All Right, We'll give the last forty five
Speaker 1: seconds to our friend Mark Romone. Where's this headed? Mark?
Speaker 1: I have no idea that they tried Russian collusion to
Speaker 1: fake you raincall. They tried to tank you the economy,
Speaker 1: They've tried a pandemic. They tried to riots, looting. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's next, Aliens from outer space, Locus. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they got planned Locus. By the way,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me. At this point, we've seen everything
Speaker 1: else and the incredible tough search for a vice president.
Speaker 1: Why didn't they search this hard for the right candidate.
Speaker 1: They're working harder in the vice president needed in the
Speaker 1: presidential candidate. Oh man, all right, Mark Simone and us
Speaker 1: referenced by the way that you threw in there. Don't
Speaker 1: think I didn't catch that. I caught that too, by
Speaker 1: the way you think he Mark's clever. Mark likes to
Speaker 1: throw these things out. By the way, in our next life,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to beat Mark Simone. And then only Linda
Speaker 1: knows the truth. But a two hour radio shift every
Speaker 1: day in middle of the day. Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that that's nothing. That is that's the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1: There's no more popular figure than than Mark Simone. The
Speaker 1: rare times I go out, I turn around, there's Mark.
Speaker 1: This guy is a social butterfly among butterflies. Well that
Speaker 1: means you're there too, Yeah, a few times I'm there.
Speaker 1: You're always there, which means you're everywhere otherwise I'm in
Speaker 1: the library, the museum. Yeah, yeah, I don't even believe
Speaker 1: that for a second. All right, thank you both. The
Speaker 1: eight hundred and nine four one sewn you want to
Speaker 1: be a part of the program. All right, twenty five
Speaker 1: now until the top of the hour, we'll get two
Speaker 1: calls here in a minute. Eight hundred and ninety four
Speaker 1: one sean, you want to be a part of the program.
Speaker 1: So I have this book coming out, which I'm very
Speaker 1: proud of, and I was worried at different times because
Speaker 1: I wanted to keep it as current as possible. I
Speaker 1: started it over a year ago. It's called Live Free
Speaker 1: or Die, America and the World on the Brink, and
Speaker 1: I have it in Latin underneath live Free or America Dies.
Speaker 1: And Okay that's hyperbole. No, And I actually think I
Speaker 1: designed this book a special way because, and I'm feeling
Speaker 1: it now with each passing day more than ever, that
Speaker 1: the great country, this great republic. Chapter one a republic
Speaker 1: if you can keep it. You know, it has to
Speaker 1: do with the Constitutional Convention and this widely told story
Speaker 1: of Ben Franklin, and you know he comes out. Is
Speaker 1: it a monarchy? Or a republic. It's a republic if
Speaker 1: you can keep it. And I've never ever thought that
Speaker 1: we would get this far in this country with so
Speaker 1: many embracing the most radical and extreme ideas, ideals that
Speaker 1: would absolutely upend the greatest, freest, best republic and constitutional
Speaker 1: governance in the history of the world. Not perfect. Nobody's
Speaker 1: saying it's perfect. We're not perfect. You know, we've watched
Speaker 1: movements before. And the reason that I thought it was
Speaker 1: important that I go through a history, if you will,
Speaker 1: of what founded the principles that our framers and founders
Speaker 1: believed would make this the greatest country on earth, because
Speaker 1: if you don't see this as a tipping point, critical
Speaker 1: pivotal point in our history, then I don't know what
Speaker 1: America you're looking at. I mean, you've got groups of
Speaker 1: people now that are happy with the idea of defunding
Speaker 1: the police. You you have cities now seating blocks and
Speaker 1: police precincts to anarchists and not doing a thing, not
Speaker 1: lifting a finger to stop it and to maintain law
Speaker 1: and order. You now see that curfews are meaningless, you know,
Speaker 1: and you really you get to see the failure of
Speaker 1: decades and decades of Democratic Party rule in cities, big
Speaker 1: blue states, big blue cities all across the country. It
Speaker 1: can't be any more stark than what we have now
Speaker 1: on every single issue. And when you look over and
Speaker 1: this is an entire chapter that you know, the fantasy land,
Speaker 1: which is the new radical Democrat extremist party and their agenda,
Speaker 1: and what is their agenda? Okay, well, ten years no
Speaker 1: more oil or gas. You know, for the first time
Speaker 1: in seventy five years, we are energy independent. It is
Speaker 1: the lifeblood of the world's economy. But they want to
Speaker 1: eliminate it. If you eliminate it, it's a guaranteed prescription
Speaker 1: for poverty. You now have of talk of everything is
Speaker 1: going to be free. I go over all the costs mathematically,
Speaker 1: it's impossible to implement Medicare for all ten years of
Speaker 1: fifty two trillion dollars, the New Green Deal ninety four
Speaker 1: trillion dollars. Okay, guys, be only taken four and four
Speaker 1: and a half trillion a year. Do the math. It's
Speaker 1: not complicated, and that would mean you have no defense.
Speaker 1: On top of it, it is school is going to
Speaker 1: be free, guaranteed government jobs, help, guaranteed government healthy foods,
Speaker 1: got guaranteed education from basically the minute you can walk
Speaker 1: to the you know, all the way through college, eliminating
Speaker 1: school debt that people have to pay about who's going
Speaker 1: to pay for all of this? These these are the
Speaker 1: false promises of liberalism. And then eventually, well then we're
Speaker 1: going to get rid of you know, cars, and we'll
Speaker 1: have plug in stations everywhere. Okay, We're gonna just upend
Speaker 1: the automobile industry like that. We're gonna get rid of eventually,
Speaker 1: airplanes and cows. They're saying it. It's not that I'm
Speaker 1: making it up. And you can see that if you
Speaker 1: believe that they were moderates within the Democratic Party, you
Speaker 1: see that their voices are squashed and shut down by
Speaker 1: this this new extreme radical leftist party, you know. And
Speaker 1: you can look at you know, pre coronavirus, and you
Speaker 1: can see, okay, compared Donald Trump's agenda and what he
Speaker 1: did for the country in a short period of time
Speaker 1: under the worst of circumstances, I've never seen a president
Speaker 1: hated to this extent. I've never seen a medias so
Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine since so harshly aligned against the president.
Speaker 1: There's nothing in their world or minds that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: can do right. But he kept his promises on cutting
Speaker 1: taxes and it worked. He kept his promises on ending
Speaker 1: burdensome regulation and that worked. He said he'd get rid
Speaker 1: of you know what, three or four to every one
Speaker 1: new regulation. It's like eight eighteen to one. He said
Speaker 1: he'd appoint constitutionalists, not activist justices to the courts, and
Speaker 1: he's done that too. He said he'd secure the border. Well,
Speaker 1: by November, we'll have four hundred miles of brand new
Speaker 1: border wall. And it was a heavy lift every step
Speaker 1: of the way. You know, you have Democrats. They want
Speaker 1: open borders. They create their sanctuary cities, their safe zones,
Speaker 1: they're autonomous zones, their summers are free love whatever zones,
Speaker 1: and you could see that they want open borders for everybody.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea, especially considering the
Speaker 1: heroine and the fete and all the cross into this
Speaker 1: country from across the border. And I just as you
Speaker 1: look at the foreign defense differences and foreign policy differences. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna bribe dictators with cargo planes full of cash
Speaker 1: and other currency one hundred and fifty billion from mullahs
Speaker 1: in Iran. The chant death to America and death to
Speaker 1: Israel and burn our flags. You know you're gonna get
Speaker 1: upset over Russia collusion, but not Hillary's dirty dossier. And
Speaker 1: nobody in the media, no Democrats, seems upset over the
Speaker 1: fact that there never was any evidence whatsoever of any
Speaker 1: Trump Russia collusion. As a matter of fact, it's been debunked.
Speaker 1: And they dragged the country through three years of hell,
Speaker 1: and then once that didn't work out, then another six
Speaker 1: months of hell over Ukraine. And I go into the
Speaker 1: book in deep detail on that. How can that happen
Speaker 1: in America? And as of now the book is done,
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's really been held accountable. I think they
Speaker 1: will be, but so far they have it. But you know, Sean,
Speaker 1: the one of the things, you know, and we've talked
Speaker 1: about this so much over the past year when you
Speaker 1: were writing this, and obviously you know, I've been with
Speaker 1: you for fifteen years, so I've seen you know, you're
Speaker 1: such a You're a student of history, you love history,
Speaker 1: and I think you know this book. Like when you
Speaker 1: said I think I'm gonna write this, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: dear Lord, because you know, I know how hard conservative
Speaker 1: victory was for you. In twenty ten and all that
Speaker 1: we went through to get that message. I don't like
Speaker 1: writing and everyone's gonna sell you during it from I mean, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm doing it. You know I did this, Linda,
Speaker 1: And you know why, of course, and why I had
Speaker 1: all these people that I asked to research this, research this, research,
Speaker 1: this research this, and I mean I wanted to really
Speaker 1: make a comprehensive I want to I'm laid out in
Speaker 1: this book what is at stake. I have laid out
Speaker 1: exactly what is on the line in one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty one days. And I'll tell you right now, and
Speaker 1: I'll predict here now. If Donald J. Trump does not
Speaker 1: win this election, guaranteed this country will be unrecognizable for
Speaker 1: our kids and grandkids. It's a done deal. That I mean,
Speaker 1: that is poignant, That is true. There is this is
Speaker 1: a very scary time. I mean, we are having people
Speaker 1: call in I'm seeing it all over social media. You know,
Speaker 1: people that have called themselves hard left for years, and
Speaker 1: they're talking about like we don't even recognize our own party,
Speaker 1: Like we can't even what is this autonomous zone? You know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, who do you call when there
Speaker 1: is no police officer to come to you. You know,
Speaker 1: what we all saw that happened to Minneapolis was heartbreaking
Speaker 1: and terrifying and just so destructive to your soul, to
Speaker 1: everybody who watched it. But then it became a movement
Speaker 1: that was already planned by a group called Antifa, that
Speaker 1: was taking over the group of protesters that were doing
Speaker 1: it for the right reasons, and we lost ourselves in
Speaker 1: the message of it all. And it's like we should
Speaker 1: be unifying over this and looking for solutions, but they're
Speaker 1: excusing it to continue. They are. You know, honestly, I
Speaker 1: warned about Obama and his radical background and his agenda.
Speaker 1: He seems like a moderate compared to what's being discussed now.
Speaker 1: Lie on every issue. Joe Biden, you know, y'all cave
Speaker 1: on that. I'll cave on that. I'm really with you
Speaker 1: on here, here here, and we all know that Joe
Speaker 1: is not exactly a guy with That's a fastball if
Speaker 1: you ever had one. Yeah, and honestly too, I think
Speaker 1: you know it saw a really interesting tweet by Colonel
Speaker 1: Allen West this weekend, and he's in our prayers because
Speaker 1: he just had a horrible motorcycle accident. Has gone through
Speaker 1: a lot right now, but putting that aside, you know,
Speaker 1: he tweeted out and he said, you know, listen, he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm an African American. I served in my military. He's like,
Speaker 1: but you know, just because you tear down statues, you
Speaker 1: don't erase history. History is what it is. We have
Speaker 1: to learn from it. And that dovetails exactly into what
Speaker 1: we're talking about with your book. You know, we're looking
Speaker 1: through the prism of history. We're looking through all that
Speaker 1: has happened through our American history. And this Father's Day,
Speaker 1: you know, when people are sitting down with their families,
Speaker 1: because that's what happens on Father's Day, just like we
Speaker 1: talked about on Mother's Day, just like we talk about
Speaker 1: with anniversary's, birthday's weddings, where the family gets together. This
Speaker 1: Father's Day, you know, we can take a look at
Speaker 1: your book and say, Okay, this is how we got here,
Speaker 1: this is how we stay here, this is how we
Speaker 1: keep America great, and this is how we build upon
Speaker 1: on our mistakes. We learn from them when we find solutions.
Speaker 1: You know, your book is about hearkening back, looking from
Speaker 1: and learning from history. A racing history does not help
Speaker 1: us to learn from the mistakes that we've made, and
Speaker 1: when this book is an opportunity for fathers and sons
Speaker 1: and daughters and families to get together. You know, on
Speaker 1: Father's Day, when you're sitting around the table and you're
Speaker 1: looking at Live, Free or Die, you know, there's great
Speaker 1: book that you've written and you've taken the time to do.
Speaker 1: You know that such a great gift, you know, and
Speaker 1: it has it just keeps on giving because you're learning
Speaker 1: every time you're reading, and it's something we can do together.
Speaker 1: You know. It's one thing that I that I really
Speaker 1: spent a couple of things that really did a deep
Speaker 1: dive into, and that was our nation's founding in history,
Speaker 1: I did a deep dive. Chapter four, Well one is
Speaker 1: the democrats agenda. Most people listen to the show know
Speaker 1: that because I go over daily stuff I don't talk
Speaker 1: probably enough about is socialism. It's chapter four, the history
Speaker 1: of Failure. I talked a lot about Russia, collusion, the
Speaker 1: attempted you know, coup there and the impeachment, axaster and
Speaker 1: duplicity and hypocrisy and the mob and the media. I
Speaker 1: talk about them, and you know, this assault on all
Speaker 1: things that are freedom and then nobody really has the
Speaker 1: comprehensive list of all the accomplishments of this president. And
Speaker 1: then I go into the whole coronavirus thing. I edited
Speaker 1: that chapter late in the game because I wanted to
Speaker 1: keep it as current as possible. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: this that as I look at this landscape, I am
Speaker 1: I am not afraid to say that I am really
Speaker 1: concerned more than I've ever been in my life about
Speaker 1: what this country will look like. You know, you want
Speaker 1: guaranteed universal basic income through a majority of Americans now
Speaker 1: on to elect socialist office. Do you really believe in
Speaker 1: the New Green Deal? Do you really agree with the
Speaker 1: Northams of the world. First of all, have the baby
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, make sure the baby's comfortable, then decide
Speaker 1: open borders, sanctuary cities. Do you believe in the lawlessness?
Speaker 1: Do you believe in anarchists? Do you believe that you'd
Speaker 1: ever see cops pelted eight hundred of them hurt so far,
Speaker 1: bottles and bricks and rocks and molotov cocktails, and they
Speaker 1: do nothing, They absolutely do nothing right. And the thing
Speaker 1: that you're talking about here is about the thing that
Speaker 1: you're talking about here is as that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: you have a situation where people are no longer looking
Speaker 1: at each other's human beings. You know, I was in
Speaker 1: church yesterday and my pastor made a very interesting part
Speaker 1: of his sermon, which he dedicated to you know. He's like,
Speaker 1: I want everybody look around the church. And we're having
Speaker 1: all of our services outside because of COVID, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I want everybody look around the church right now, and
Speaker 1: I want you to understand that a lot of you
Speaker 1: are going to do things irritate each other. Maybe you
Speaker 1: don't like this one or this one watches this channel
Speaker 1: and this one, by the way, is he talking directly
Speaker 1: to you? Because everything I do irritation. He's like, irritate
Speaker 1: everybody in my life. Unbelievable. He's great. But he made
Speaker 1: an interesting point, which is like he's like, you gotta
Speaker 1: love the rioters. Got to love the protesters because they're
Speaker 1: children of God and they know not what they do
Speaker 1: at this moment, and you need to love them and
Speaker 1: forgive them because that's what God is doing for all
Speaker 1: of us. And I was like, hmmm, because you know Friday,
Speaker 1: when I drove into the city, you know, I had
Speaker 1: a protester all week. My car's been getting jumped on,
Speaker 1: I've been getting pelled. I had a guy spit in
Speaker 1: my face on Friday, and call me all sorts of
Speaker 1: interesting names, you know, And you know we're living this.
Speaker 1: It's it's not just what you see on TV. Like,
Speaker 1: we're living it every day. And it's very, very hard
Speaker 1: to do that. And I think that a book like
Speaker 1: Live Free or Die it's so poignant right now because
Speaker 1: we are literally exercising our freedoms and those that wish
Speaker 1: to be tolerated are not tolerant of anything. You know. Look,
Speaker 1: you're you're much younger than me. Okay, let me let
Speaker 1: me be honest here. Thirty one years I've been doing
Speaker 1: this in Radio twenty five of Fox, and I've been
Speaker 1: blessed beyond anything I ever deserve, trust me, And I
Speaker 1: know that I'm reminded of it daily. And I will
Speaker 1: tell you that it's it's what I look at. You
Speaker 1: lend the only sense videos a Liam her Son, and
Speaker 1: I look at that that kid is full of life.
Speaker 1: That cracks me up. This kid, like a lot of kids,
Speaker 1: I think kids are amazing. And I look at this
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is not that country is not
Speaker 1: going to exist. This country as we know it, the
Speaker 1: one I grew up and is not going to exist.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that we're talking about this Father's Day.
Speaker 1: Nisable right. If you're you literally have to live free
Speaker 1: or die, because if we do not save this country
Speaker 1: for our children, which is why we do everything we do,
Speaker 1: we are going to be in big trouble. And that's
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty one days from now today. All right,
Speaker 1: loaded up the latest news information. Oh we can protest,
Speaker 1: they're not socially distant, but don't have a rally party
Speaker 1: in the fake news. We'll get to that. Also, we
Speaker 1: will have full analysis of the shooting in Atlanta or
Speaker 1: Rayshard Brooks and what went on in that particular situation,
Speaker 1: the chaos, the mayhem and the anarchy on autonomous zones
Speaker 1: and the summer of free love. We'll update you there
Speaker 1: so you DVR ninet Eastern Hannah, Fox News. We'll see
Speaker 1: you tonight at night. I'm back here tomorrow. Thanks for
Speaker 1: being will us