Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another week of Casual Chaos.
Speaker 1: We have a very exciting guest, fresh off the plane
Speaker 1: from Coachella, Brianna.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 3: Thank you and everyone listening.
Speaker 4: I usually don't sound like this, but my voice is
Speaker 4: gone because I was just singing for three days straight.
Speaker 4: And I was also worried that I'm going to be
Speaker 4: like mouth breathing because I have so much dust in
Speaker 4: my nose from Kachel.
Speaker 2: I remember how bad is it?
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: It was insane, like I had layers of dust on
Speaker 4: your skin. It's disgusting, so bad.
Speaker 3: We made it. We're here on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy, thank you for coming, of course a plane,
Speaker 1: and I'm exciting. A lot of people asked if we've
Speaker 1: ever met before, and I was like, funny story, Actually
Speaker 1: Brianna came to Rutgers when she did her like college tour.
Speaker 3: Row back.
Speaker 4: I had purple hair, so I'd go buy hair colors.
Speaker 4: Of how long ago that was? That was probably like
Speaker 4: four years ago.
Speaker 2: I was I was a I think I was a
Speaker 2: sophomore junior.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, that was the first time we
Speaker 4: went to your sorority, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, because everyone at Data wanted to see Brianna, so
Speaker 1: she came. Everyone was freaking out, and then we went
Speaker 1: to Reds and it sucked.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it sucks, But your sorority.
Speaker 4: I had never, like, I wasn't in a sorority in
Speaker 4: high school, in high school, in college, I did like sports,
Speaker 4: in sports and stuff, but your sorority. You were having
Speaker 4: a party. So it felt like we were walking into
Speaker 4: a sorority out of the movies. It was a little scary,
Speaker 4: like everyone was clapping and doing like gangs like it was.
Speaker 4: I was like, I have to go to the bathroom
Speaker 4: and recollect myself. But it was awesome. All the girls
Speaker 4: were amazing. I had just never been thrown into a
Speaker 4: crazy sorority party like that.
Speaker 1: But no, it was nuts and we were doing our chant.
Speaker 1: It was a whole shang. Yeah, it's it's very cult like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was so funny. Because I remember you got
Speaker 1: so much shit for saying that Rutgers was boring, and
Speaker 1: I felt so bad. But on the real like, Rutgers
Speaker 1: is not that fun. And I will say that being
Speaker 1: an alumni, and I know people are diehard rockers, but I.
Speaker 3: Wasn't. The people were fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people were great, but it's the campus the Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was like where I went to college.
Speaker 3: It's stunk.
Speaker 4: The people were great, boring, not fun. Would go to
Speaker 4: Ohio State every weekend.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the problem when you implement a campus
Speaker 1: into a town like that.
Speaker 2: And that's where people lived.
Speaker 1: That's why people were pissed when Ruckers was built, because
Speaker 1: you're building a campus on top of a town in
Speaker 1: New Jersey. She's not realistic. And that bar closed down,
Speaker 1: did it? So it just shows it was not Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was not that great.
Speaker 4: I remember we ubered home, like from my party, we
Speaker 4: ubered back into the city and went out to a nightclub.
Speaker 3: We got to go back to Manhattan right now. That's
Speaker 3: so funny.
Speaker 1: I know we haven't caught up in a while, but
Speaker 1: a lot has happened. I feel in your life over
Speaker 1: the past couple months.
Speaker 4: I feel like I've lived seventeen lives since i've seen
Speaker 4: you last Yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Breakup with Zach Bryan.
Speaker 1: I know you've talked so much about it and we
Speaker 1: don't need to go into it because you were so
Speaker 1: open about it. And kudos to you because you've shared
Speaker 1: more than you had to. But I feel like you're
Speaker 1: such a free spirited person that you would hate for
Speaker 1: anybody to judge your character or try to guard you.
Speaker 1: What made you realize this is not normal?
Speaker 4: I think throughout the relationship, I just lost myself a
Speaker 4: little bit. And while I was with this person, I
Speaker 4: lost that free spirit that I had. Or I would
Speaker 4: walk into a room and I wouldn't be as loud
Speaker 4: or outgoing as I used to be, and I was
Speaker 4: catching myself worried about what I was saying or how
Speaker 4: people would perceive me. And I was never liked that before.
Speaker 4: But I was so conditioned because of this person to
Speaker 4: walk on eggshells or uh that I was going to
Speaker 4: upset them, or if I said this, then I'm going
Speaker 4: to be in trouble, or it's going to be a
Speaker 4: bad night, it's going to be a bad week. And
Speaker 4: then that started like leaking into my regular life, not
Speaker 4: just my relationship. So I would go on podcasts, I
Speaker 4: would hold my tongue, I wouldn't say things that I
Speaker 4: would normally say. I would be with my family and
Speaker 4: I would even catch myself kind of saying things in
Speaker 4: a particular manner, or I would speak in a different style.
Speaker 4: I was like, who the even am I becoming? I
Speaker 4: couldn't recognize myself anymore. So I think once that started happening,
Speaker 4: and once my friends started saying stuff like, pre are
Speaker 4: you okay? You just seem so out of it, you
Speaker 4: don't seem like yourself anymore, I think it took other people,
Speaker 4: even people online. All my comments were like, I don't
Speaker 4: even know who you are anymore, Like you don't even
Speaker 4: recognize you? Who are You're not the same person. But
Speaker 4: I didn't even realize I was turning into something.
Speaker 3: That I wasn't.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what kind of when the light
Speaker 4: bulb went off and someone really can have so much
Speaker 4: control or power over you without you even realizing it.
Speaker 1: When you got out, did you feel like you had
Speaker 1: a weight was lifted off of your show? And as
Speaker 1: crazy as it is to say, got out, it wasn't
Speaker 1: easy for you to leave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think this is relatable for a lot
Speaker 4: of people once the relationship ends, and especially when you're
Speaker 4: in a mentally abusive relationship. When it ends, you're not
Speaker 4: just like, oh my gosh, I'm happy, this is great,
Speaker 4: it's over.
Speaker 3: You're still so.
Speaker 2: Attached you feel like you need him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're attached. It's like a toxic cycle. Your brain
Speaker 4: is rewired. So it took me a while to finally,
Speaker 4: I don't know, come to light and feel okay again
Speaker 4: and feel like, oh my gosh, my world didn't just end.
Speaker 4: And in that moment, it felt like my world had
Speaker 4: just ended, especially it being so public and also going
Speaker 4: through a best friend breakup at the same time, in
Speaker 4: the whole world judging you everything that you say or do.
Speaker 3: I was going through so much and.
Speaker 4: Then I have so many people giving their two cents,
Speaker 4: which I get, it's my job and I signed it
Speaker 4: a life that we have, Yeah, exactly, but it just
Speaker 4: definitely didn't make it easier.
Speaker 3: It made it all a lot more confusing.
Speaker 4: But I slowly got back to myself and I just
Speaker 4: surrounded myself with my family and my best friends, and
Speaker 4: it's possible to be okay again. And I think a
Speaker 4: lot of people, especially based off of my messages and
Speaker 4: girls that come up to me, they think it's never
Speaker 4: going to be okay again.
Speaker 3: It is. It's just going to take time and work.
Speaker 3: You have to like work on yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Grace was there the night that when you came
Speaker 2: to roppers and did she just did that friendship end
Speaker 2: because she didn't want to see you hurt anymore? No, no,
Speaker 2: it was It was not related to the Zach Bryant.
Speaker 3: To break up at all.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, it just there were so much
Speaker 4: other stuff going on, and I'd like tried to say
Speaker 4: that online without saying what actually went down. But I
Speaker 4: mean whatever, because you guys had a podcast together, they've
Speaker 4: worked together, We worked.
Speaker 1: So did you kind of feel like it was too
Speaker 1: close for comfort? It came to a point of, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're mixing, because you know how they never say to
Speaker 1: mix family.
Speaker 4: And business when I's kind of the same thing. When
Speaker 4: I started bars, I'll never forget. Her name was Jen Simons.
Speaker 4: She used to work a parstool. She's like our sales
Speaker 4: rep or whatever. I was super close with her. She
Speaker 4: took me into a room and she was like, are
Speaker 4: you sure you want to work with your best friend?
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, she's not my best friend,
Speaker 4: she's like my sister.
Speaker 2: It sounds all great and the best thing.
Speaker 4: After it did work forever, Like it works for a while,
Speaker 4: but then like people's egos get big and they're it's
Speaker 4: just it's a recipe for disaster. And I talk to
Speaker 4: a lot of people that work with their friends in
Speaker 4: the industry and they say the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of like a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 4: Which thanks because you want to do everything with the
Speaker 4: people you love.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I came to a point where it was
Speaker 3: like this is not working.
Speaker 4: There's just so much going on behind the scenes where
Speaker 4: it was like it's not worth it's not worth it,
Speaker 4: not happy anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're right, because like they, like I just said,
Speaker 1: you know, combining friends and family, work with family, anything
Speaker 1: like that, it's bound to happen where jealousy picks up.
Speaker 1: Someone's jealous of the other person if this person is
Speaker 1: striving high higher than the other, especially because you guys
Speaker 1: were on the podcast together. Yeah, so you guys are
Speaker 1: and you shouldn't even be competing for the same thing,
Speaker 1: but you guys, it probably felt like you were. If
Speaker 1: more people were gravitating towards you or not grace or
Speaker 1: vice versa. It just creates unnecessary tension for no reason.
Speaker 1: But it's bound to happen because you just hear the
Speaker 1: public put in their opinion and I think.
Speaker 4: We just also wanted two different things. I wanted to podcast,
Speaker 4: you wanted to be a comedian. It was just it
Speaker 4: was just like two forces coming together hitting each other.
Speaker 4: It was just not working anymore. And you you work
Speaker 4: with your family. I couldn't even imagine that I would
Speaker 4: going crazy if I works with my family.
Speaker 3: How do you deal with that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I my mom joined in The Real Housewives
Speaker 1: when I was eight years old, so it's been everything
Speaker 1: that I've ever known. And I grew up thinking that
Speaker 1: this was normal and it was every little girl's dream,
Speaker 1: especially if you were in that girly state, to be
Speaker 1: famous and you know anything. But I was also in
Speaker 1: that industry when I was younger. My mom always took
Speaker 1: me on auditions to the city, so I was constantly
Speaker 1: in that room, realm of things, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was always normal, And it honestly became very toxic once
Speaker 1: my mom started fighting with her brother, and there was
Speaker 1: just a lot of turmoil on the show. Hence why
Speaker 1: Jersey's on pause right now. So it just like it
Speaker 1: doesn't work, you know, kind of the same thing. You know,
Speaker 1: my mom and her brother were fighting for ten years.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like you're watching this, it's almost like
Speaker 1: You're watching the same commercial happen over and over again,
Speaker 1: but in different versions, and it's like, when is it
Speaker 1: going to stop? No one wants to see this anymore.
Speaker 1: We don't want to do this anymore. This is so toxic.
Speaker 1: We're getting absolutely nowhere. And then, you know, I dealt
Speaker 1: with things because I was growing up and became an
Speaker 1: adult on Housewives, and yes, it's an adult show, but
Speaker 1: you involve your families in it because the families are
Speaker 1: still a part of the Real Housewives. It's showing family
Speaker 1: and friends in New Jersey. So I got a lot
Speaker 1: of backlash for kind of inserting myself into adult drama.
Speaker 1: But this adult drama was between my mom and my uncle,
Speaker 1: so it was.
Speaker 3: Family, my family.
Speaker 4: So people are at your Thanksgiving dinner watching it exactly.
Speaker 4: I have learned that the Bravo fans are They're really mean,
Speaker 4: you know, And I was like, actually, I don't know
Speaker 4: if I want to be friends with you anymore because
Speaker 4: this is crazy. I was like spotted with him once
Speaker 4: and then they like circulated all this crazy stuff about us,
Speaker 4: and then he said that we made out, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: why would you say.
Speaker 2: That, Well, yeah, we that was literally I was going
Speaker 2: to ask you about that?
Speaker 3: Crazy?
Speaker 2: Why would he report to the tabloids?
Speaker 3: Yeah, why would you do that? Why would you do that?
Speaker 3: I was so mad at him.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm so not pr trained, I don't know
Speaker 4: what I'm doing, but it shows West. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: learned through that that the Bravo fans can be a
Speaker 4: little harsh.
Speaker 2: They're crazy, yeah, but I think that they're loyal.
Speaker 4: They're loyal, but they have they have a lot of
Speaker 4: their team a Sierra, So that's why I think they
Speaker 4: just hated any girl that was associated with Wes. I've
Speaker 4: never watched Summerhouse, so I had no idea of this lore,
Speaker 4: of this tea.
Speaker 3: I would have never been spotted with.
Speaker 4: This man if I knew that had this whole like
Speaker 4: with yeah, this whole relationship. I had no idea, No,
Speaker 4: but yeah, that was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Summerhouse is so big right now, and
Speaker 1: I know many of their cast members are just popping off,
Speaker 1: like Page and Hannah with Giggley Squad.
Speaker 3: I love Page and Hannah.
Speaker 1: They're great, killing it. They just come out with their
Speaker 1: own book too. I had no idea, and I just
Speaker 1: saw that recently. I was like so smart, who is
Speaker 1: your PR marketing team?
Speaker 4: They actually wrote their book themselves. So I had a
Speaker 4: meeting I'm coming out with the book, and I was
Speaker 4: I'm working with like the same publishing team hopefully.
Speaker 3: I've been having meetings.
Speaker 4: And I asked them because it's so confusing how these
Speaker 4: people have time to write their own books. And I
Speaker 4: went in being, I need to write my own thing.
Speaker 4: I don't want to have a ghostwriter. It really needs
Speaker 4: to be my voice. And they sent me a bunch
Speaker 4: of copies from people that have actually written theirs and
Speaker 4: fun fact Page and Hannah are one of them, but
Speaker 4: there's so many where they put out their books. I
Speaker 4: work so hard on this, you didn't even write one thing.
Speaker 4: It's a ghost writer, which is fine. A lot of
Speaker 4: people do that, but don't claim that you wrote the
Speaker 4: whole thing and sat up for hours all night writing
Speaker 4: ago when you did it.
Speaker 2: What is your book going to be about?
Speaker 4: My book is just going to kind of be about
Speaker 4: my life, but it's also far Yeah not so, it's
Speaker 4: going to be mixed with fiction as well, but I'm
Speaker 4: going to use stories from my life and then kind
Speaker 4: of amp them up a little bit.
Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 1: Your progression throughout life, especially watching you build your whole brand,
Speaker 1: You've gone through a lot, and you've just also been
Speaker 1: around so much too. And I feel like it's also
Speaker 1: interesting things that everyone wants to know. How are the
Speaker 1: influencer events? How are people in real life? Are they
Speaker 1: really as hyped up as they are? Like Coachella? Is
Speaker 1: it really everything that it is made to be? Is
Speaker 1: the Ferish feel really that cool? And it really is?
Speaker 1: Coachella is sick.
Speaker 4: I lovell was awesome, but I went into it saying
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not doing an influencer thing. I'm not
Speaker 4: doing this to like take the pictures, to do all that.
Speaker 4: I went in with all my best friends from home saying,
Speaker 4: this is going to be the best beginning of our lives.
Speaker 3: Never have more fun.
Speaker 4: I've never danced that hard in my life. And actually,
Speaker 4: this thing about Coachella, no one was dancing in VIP,
Speaker 4: Not one person was dancing. People were looking at me
Speaker 4: like I was crazy.
Speaker 2: I know, and VIP it's no one dances.
Speaker 3: It's bizarre.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: My friends and I couldn't believe it, Like what what
Speaker 4: are you here for? What did you It's a million
Speaker 4: dollars to a year. Why wouldn't you shake your ass?
Speaker 4: It's crazy, it's beyond me. But I have the best.
Speaker 1: But you have to go into Yeah, that's where people
Speaker 1: are dancing, especially when you get more of the house
Speaker 1: music and like hip hop rap, like R and B performers.
Speaker 2: Then everyone starts dancing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I don't know the VIP section then
Speaker 1: I know, and they just kind of go by the
Speaker 1: food and drink area.
Speaker 4: I think I ate one thing all weekend. I was
Speaker 4: just at the bar on the floor. At the bar
Speaker 4: on the floor, it was it was worth the hype.
Speaker 4: I say, everyone needs to go once a night.
Speaker 1: I agree. And then there's stage. I really want to
Speaker 1: go to Stage Coach too. You should, but you're probably
Speaker 1: scarred from country music.
Speaker 3: I love. I don't know, I like it. I mean,
Speaker 3: if my ex wasn't headlining, I was gonna go.
Speaker 4: But oh he's there. Yeah, I don't want to stage coach. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just go every other day when he's not, or you
Speaker 4: can go and throw it to my notes. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: how has your relationship the past relationship with Zach Bryan
Speaker 4: changed your approach into going into another relationship or even
Speaker 4: just dating in general. Yeah, I think I'm totally emotionally unavailable,
Speaker 4: which stinks, and I just want to be honest and
Speaker 4: open about it because every person that when I go out,
Speaker 4: they ask me.
Speaker 3: Like what's dating? Like what are you? Who are you
Speaker 3: talking to? Who's this? What's that? I just genuinely need to.
Speaker 4: Fix all of the scars that are like left on
Speaker 4: me from that relationship. And if I were to jump
Speaker 4: into something else, I feel like I'd be being inconsiderate
Speaker 4: to whoever I'm talking to.
Speaker 3: I just don't find the need. Here's the thing. I
Speaker 3: was talking about this with Lola Jung.
Speaker 4: When you're a successful woman and you kind of have
Speaker 4: your own thing going, you don't really need to be
Speaker 4: in a relationship other from the facts that maybe you
Speaker 4: want to cuddle with someone or you want them to
Speaker 4: be like your soulmate. We make our own money, we
Speaker 4: do our own things, we have our best friends. We
Speaker 4: don't essentially need anyone. So if you're not my everything,
Speaker 4: are going to be that perfect person? So what are
Speaker 4: you bringing to the table? Why do I want to
Speaker 4: be with you type of thing. I'm in that mindset
Speaker 4: where I just want to be with someone that can
Speaker 4: elevate my life, not bring it down down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: And it's true, and you are such a successful woman
Speaker 1: and you can do everything on your own because I
Speaker 1: also feel you know, it's really it has changed so
Speaker 1: much now when women are so empowering and on their
Speaker 1: own and working on their own. But in the past,
Speaker 1: it was very frowned upon. The men were supposed to
Speaker 1: work provide for the women. You need a man to
Speaker 1: succeed in life or to achieve your goals, and that
Speaker 1: is so false now and especially in the world that
Speaker 1: we are in it we are so blessed.
Speaker 2: We're very successful. We work our asses off.
Speaker 1: As much as people think that our jobs are a
Speaker 1: little cliche, but we really do work our asses off
Speaker 1: every day, and by doing that we can create.
Speaker 2: A beautiful life for ourselves.
Speaker 1: So when there is that person that is going to
Speaker 1: bring you to the next level, then it's worth it.
Speaker 1: Otherwise it honestly just affects your whole image and doesn't
Speaker 1: make you that authentic self that everybody wants to see.
Speaker 4: It knows, so exactly. Yeah, I just personally, I haven't
Speaker 4: been single since I was sixteen. Well, this is my
Speaker 4: first time being sad.
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say to you.
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone always says about you and I
Speaker 1: feel bad. But yes, people are relationship person like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I am people are relationship people.
Speaker 2: I am too.
Speaker 1: I've pretty much always been in a relationship too. But
Speaker 1: people always say about you, Oh, she's never alone, but
Speaker 1: it's okay.
Speaker 2: But I it's not a bad thing.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think there's anything wrong.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: You know, people say, oh, when you're not alone, you're
Speaker 1: not healing and you're leaning on somebody for comfort. But
Speaker 1: there's a difference between a fling and actually getting into
Speaker 1: another relationship. Oh my god, you can go hook up
Speaker 1: with the guy to make yourself feel better. You don't
Speaker 1: need to start a six your relationship with that exactly.
Speaker 3: Be alone.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I'm single, having the best time in my life, and
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, she's crashing out, she needs a boyfriend.
Speaker 3: What do you want from me? And it's so it's
Speaker 3: so double standard.
Speaker 4: It's like, if you're a get out of a relationship
Speaker 4: when you're a girl and you want to go hook
Speaker 4: up with whoever, you want to go hook up with
Speaker 4: your whore, you're ran through.
Speaker 3: You're crazy.
Speaker 4: Also, these people just every boy that I'm spotted with,
Speaker 4: I'm hooking up with them, which is crazy because three
Speaker 4: of my like gay best friends, like no one on
Speaker 4: social media really knows they're gay because they're my friends
Speaker 4: from home, and they're like, oh my gosh, she's hooking
Speaker 4: up with all their friends from home.
Speaker 3: Guys, they're gay men. They these are gay men. They're like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, they're kissing. Yeah, he's gay. It's so crazy.
Speaker 3: You can never win and the public eye.
Speaker 4: But I'm just really having fun and trying to enjoy
Speaker 4: being by myself, which is good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the best thing.
Speaker 1: But I mean, no, no matter what, they're always going
Speaker 1: to say what they want to say, and not for nothing,
Speaker 1: let them talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it helps, honestly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Bad publicity, he's good publicity great. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: not even bad. It's just it keeps you relevant and
Speaker 1: it's very As much as it's probably annoying to have
Speaker 1: the public so invested in what your next move is
Speaker 1: and what your relationship status is, you're doing a great
Speaker 1: job by just also showing people that you're back. So
Speaker 1: as long as you're back and you feel confident in
Speaker 1: your own skin and you're happy with yourself.
Speaker 2: That's all they should.
Speaker 1: Really care about, because you went through something that was
Speaker 1: very traumatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because you just have to be happy with
Speaker 2: you exactly.
Speaker 3: That's all matters.
Speaker 2: But how is BFF pod.
Speaker 4: BFF pod is awesome. I love Josh. He's so funny.
Speaker 4: I really do feel like he's my little brother. It's
Speaker 4: been kind of a crazy transition to have Dave leave
Speaker 4: and then it just be the two kids on their own.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he felt like our dad in the.
Speaker 1: Situation, or so, he was like another co host with
Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, so there was the three you.
Speaker 4: It started off as Dave and Josh like four and
Speaker 4: a half years ago. I think they did one or
Speaker 4: two episodes and it was just too broie. They needed
Speaker 4: some they needed a female perspective, and I was working
Speaker 4: at barstool at the time, so Dave had.
Speaker 2: Asked me this fun You and Grace's podcast kind of
Speaker 2: went down.
Speaker 4: No, I would say that was only in the past,
Speaker 4: like two and a half years. Plan Bree was longer
Speaker 4: than BFFs. I started it alone and then I added
Speaker 4: Grace and I got her hired at Barschool and then
Speaker 4: she joined and we crushed sh it. It was a blast.
Speaker 4: We tore together, but then no, it just slowly dissipated.
Speaker 4: But I started BFFs. And when I first started, I
Speaker 4: didn't have a camera on me, barely talked. I was terrified.
Speaker 4: And then I kind of came into my own and
Speaker 4: it was fun. It was just a really good dynamic
Speaker 4: with Josh and Dave. And of course throughout the years,
Speaker 4: me and Josh got actually close, we became friends because
Speaker 4: we're closer in age than me and Dave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, it.
Speaker 4: Just kind of felt like it was nearing the end
Speaker 4: for Dave because he's so much older and he was
Speaker 4: talking about at this point like teen year old kids.
Speaker 3: I feel like a weird I can't.
Speaker 4: Do this anymore and fair enough, so he left and
Speaker 4: it was up to Josh and if we wanted to
Speaker 4: keep it going, and of course we wanted to keep
Speaker 4: it going. We have a blast doing it, and yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's just kind of finding its own lane right now.
Speaker 4: And he's been fun.
Speaker 2: But now Dave still owns barstool. He says he's a genius.
Speaker 3: He is, he is.
Speaker 2: I feel like he's a wizard. I know, I mean
Speaker 2: this that he does. I'm and he went to you, Mesh.
Speaker 1: My sister goes to university in Michigan, so I'm really
Speaker 1: smart people come out of there.
Speaker 4: Well, it's so funny because with Dave, he is one
Speaker 4: of the most stupid people I've ever like, just what
Speaker 4: he says and how he speaks. But at the same
Speaker 4: time he's a wizard and a genius. It's just the
Speaker 4: best of both worlds. It's really funny and he definitely
Speaker 4: inspires me a lot. He's a very very smart man.
Speaker 3: Oh so smart.
Speaker 2: I know you said you don't really like to have
Speaker 2: too many people.
Speaker 1: You do like to have guests on BFF pod, but
Speaker 1: your viewers honestly don't really want.
Speaker 4: You to which things because we have so many like
Speaker 4: good guests that want to come on and lined up,
Speaker 4: and they get mad when we have guests on.
Speaker 3: They're like, who ever know is this? I'm like, this
Speaker 3: is the most famous person?
Speaker 4: Yeah, which I understand though, because when I listen to podcasts,
Speaker 4: I feel like sometimes interviews get repetitive if you don't
Speaker 4: switch it up or make it kind of new and different.
Speaker 2: No, And it's true they do. And that's why I like.
Speaker 1: When you really connect with the person, you could talk
Speaker 1: about other stuff, not just the same shit that's going
Speaker 1: on exactly.
Speaker 4: And I think you have to listen to your viewers
Speaker 4: and the people that give you the job, or listen
Speaker 4: to the podcast. So we have we've had to cut
Speaker 4: out a lot of guests or like cancel a lot
Speaker 4: of interviews because we want to give our viewers what
Speaker 4: they want.
Speaker 1: If you could have a view, if you could choose
Speaker 1: your dream guest, who would it be?
Speaker 4: Well, obviously Taylor Swift, but I don't know if that
Speaker 4: would ever. I don't think she ever does anything. I'm
Speaker 4: so obsessed with her. I listened. I just drove from
Speaker 4: downtown up here and it took like forty minutes. I
Speaker 4: listened to the Midnight's album the whole time, time looking
Speaker 4: out the window, being like, Oh, I just wish I
Speaker 4: was Taylor Swift. But I think or Swift or Adam
Speaker 4: Sandler would be awesome.
Speaker 3: My god, I.
Speaker 2: Feel like you guys would have the best time with Adam, So.
Speaker 3: I think that would be incredible. Adam Sandler's so funny.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think like actors and musical guests rather
Speaker 4: than influencers or I don't know who would yours be?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I love Chloe Kardashian.
Speaker 4: Oh, and she has a podcast has a podcast now, Oh,
Speaker 4: maybe that could happen, I know, And.
Speaker 1: I would love to have Andy Cohen on just to
Speaker 1: kind of walk through memory lane and just so he
Speaker 1: could kind of tell my story from his perspective.
Speaker 2: I feel like that would be.
Speaker 1: Such an interesting episode because yes, he's the boss of
Speaker 1: Bravo and now he's grown so much throughout the years
Speaker 1: to such a bigger platform. But in the beginning he
Speaker 1: saw us as little kids. I was eight then when
Speaker 1: everything went down with my parents, just like what they
Speaker 1: thought from their perspective, because they also waited to resume
Speaker 1: Jersey till my mom got home. So it was just
Speaker 1: a lot of behind the scenes that I wish he
Speaker 1: could also talk about with me.
Speaker 3: That would be so interesting and I would love that.
Speaker 1: And then Chloe, I just think she's so nonchalant, I
Speaker 1: don't give up, but so funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's great, She's so funny. What did you think
Speaker 4: about all the drama about Remy going on her podcasts.
Speaker 3: I know there was a lot that came out of that,
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: It was wild and listen, Remy is not warranted to
Speaker 1: tell her followers what she got done. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people assumed it was ozembic, but then they
Speaker 1: were a little shocked on how fast she lost the weight. Listen,
Speaker 1: she got asked to go on Chloe Kardashian's podcast. It
Speaker 1: was her time to shine, drop the bomb and say
Speaker 1: her truth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she did say it. She told everyone everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she did. She said her truth.
Speaker 1: But she getting I feel bad, She's getting a lot
Speaker 1: of backlash for it right now.
Speaker 4: It stinks, and I feel like we see this over
Speaker 4: and over again. People beg you to be honest, her,
Speaker 4: people beg you to be super transparent, and then when
Speaker 4: you are, they somehow throw it back in your face.
Speaker 4: So it's it's what do you want? Do you want
Speaker 4: people to be honest because they're all human? And of
Speaker 4: course she struggled. I know her, I know her. I
Speaker 4: know she struggled with wanting to say it earlier, and
Speaker 4: I know she wanted to be honest right in the beginning,
Speaker 4: but she was going through so much with her breakup,
Speaker 4: and she was so depressed and actually in physical pain.
Speaker 4: There's so much more than telling the internet like these
Speaker 4: are people's real lives. And she did own up to it,
Speaker 4: and she did say it, So I don't know, I
Speaker 4: just feel like people need to cut her some slack.
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 2: And also for her health, Yeah, she also did it
Speaker 2: for her health.
Speaker 3: She was literally gonna die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just not healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and watching those surgical videos that she's been posting,
Speaker 1: it looks.
Speaker 2: Very traumatic what she threw. It was not easy. So
Speaker 2: she did it for her health.
Speaker 1: Okay, would you guys have been happier if she was
Speaker 1: on ozempic.
Speaker 2: She would still lost the weight.
Speaker 1: It's just she just is losing it a little faster.
Speaker 1: It's just a different concept. And she looks great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let her be.
Speaker 4: She looks happy, and she was in so much physical
Speaker 4: pain from being overweight, and her weight story isn't everyone
Speaker 4: else's weight story. So maybe she needed the surgery. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I know, like a lot of people are also
Speaker 1: mad at her because they feel.
Speaker 2: Like she lied to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that you know. But I feel like, no
Speaker 1: matter what, even though Remy got the surgery, she's still
Speaker 1: so body positive.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, everybody can be heard and be seen.
Speaker 4: And what the hell's body positivity even mean? Now that
Speaker 4: she's skinny, They're like, it's we're negative. Yeah, that's you no, reverse,
Speaker 4: you're not being body positive.
Speaker 2: Now you're honestly really affecting her mental health.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just don't understand. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: But I'm happy for Remy.
Speaker 4: She's healthy and I hope that people come around to
Speaker 4: understanding what she went through.
Speaker 3: I do too. It did not seem easy.
Speaker 1: But what are your favorite places to go out in
Speaker 1: New York City? Also pause, I am so happy for
Speaker 1: you on your apartment.
Speaker 2: Oh, it is so gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I love it so frigging man.
Speaker 2: I loved everything about it. When you first moved in.
Speaker 1: Next told me I wouldn't be able to get this apartment,
Speaker 1: and now I'm it.
Speaker 4: Literally, I'm like, I got it on my own, bitch.
Speaker 4: It's so fun. It's so awesome. I live with my
Speaker 4: little cousin. She moved in with me and from Boston.
Speaker 4: She's like the New York having her first New York experience.
Speaker 4: The first week she moved in, I brought her to
Speaker 4: the box. She's like, well, on a Wednesday, what are
Speaker 4: we do here? Are we doing this every week? I'm like, yep,
Speaker 4: you're gonna get poop thrown on you and this is
Speaker 4: gonna be an insane frigging time. But I love New
Speaker 4: York so much. My favorite place is to go out.
Speaker 4: I'm a dive bar girly, so I don't really feel
Speaker 4: like you don't go to the clubs. A lot don't
Speaker 4: go to the clubs, but I love bars. I'm interested
Speaker 4: in your recommendation. Yeah, I like to go to places
Speaker 4: that I won't really be like noticed that. So I
Speaker 4: like to go to places where there's like a pool
Speaker 4: table and there's not really much going on. I like
Speaker 4: to go to Baird's is one of my favorite bars.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever been. It's so fun,
Speaker 4: that whole strip, that whole street in West Village, that
Speaker 4: West Village.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, because all my years that
Speaker 1: I've been out in New York City, I think I've
Speaker 1: been to the West Village going out less times than
Speaker 1: I could count. Yeah, and I need to.
Speaker 4: It's you have to just come out with I'm like gatekeeping.
Speaker 4: I don't want to tell that my bar.
Speaker 2: No, no, I know, I'm going to text you that
Speaker 2: and you're taking.
Speaker 4: You come with me this weekend and we'll go out.
Speaker 4: But I definitely am a dive bar early. I think
Speaker 4: here and there, I go to a club and it's fun.
Speaker 4: It's fun to like jump up to house music. But
Speaker 4: a dive bar, pool table and a group of my
Speaker 4: best friends is Bleaker Street.
Speaker 3: I want to go to bar Street.
Speaker 4: Leaker Street is a blast West Village or the Lower
Speaker 4: East Side is where you.
Speaker 1: Can find me perfect. What do you think is the
Speaker 1: best way to meet guys now? Would you be interested
Speaker 1: in dating apps or you want it to just happen organically.
Speaker 3: I don't think I could ever do a dating app only.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, what for us?
Speaker 3: We would go on Rayah?
Speaker 4: I guess so yeah, But I need to I need
Speaker 4: to feel your energy in person. I'm very attracted to
Speaker 4: energy and if you're funny. I can't really tell if
Speaker 4: you're funny over text or if you get my jokes,
Speaker 4: So I think I would I just have to meet
Speaker 4: someone in person. What's good about this industry or what
Speaker 4: we do is you meet so many different people every day.
Speaker 4: I have made more friends and met new people in
Speaker 4: this past like six months than I have in the
Speaker 4: past five years.
Speaker 3: It's bizarre. Like no, it's true, and especially being in
Speaker 3: New York, you.
Speaker 4: Just you have one friend, then they introduce you to
Speaker 4: six friends, and then it's just like a rotating door
Speaker 4: of your friends. So I think I would just have
Speaker 4: to meet someone organically if I did. But I dead
Speaker 4: asked you. I don't think I never want to date
Speaker 4: anyone ever again. I am so serious, And if I do,
Speaker 4: I hope it's a girl. Like I don't want to
Speaker 4: date a man ever again.
Speaker 3: I mean it, We'll see. My god, I can't.
Speaker 2: But okay, you only get the pleasure from the men,
Speaker 2: but you don't want the attachment.
Speaker 4: I don't want any I'd like, I just get so
Speaker 4: ACKed out by everything.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you need time. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen right now. That what you I would
Speaker 1: be icked out for a very long time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even want to be because regardless, and you don't
Speaker 1: need a controlling man at all. When you're in a relationship,
Speaker 1: you still have restrictions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still.
Speaker 1: Things that you can't do while you're in a relationship,
Speaker 1: to be loyal to your partner or not be disrespectful.
Speaker 2: It still comes with limitations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So at the same time, I would be like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm so good.
Speaker 4: And I feel like this past year, I just I
Speaker 4: neglected my friendships and my family so much because I
Speaker 4: was just so stuck in it. I'm just having so
Speaker 4: much fun being back with my friends and my family,
Speaker 4: so I want to give them all the attention they
Speaker 4: deserve and that I didn't give them the past year.
Speaker 3: So that's where I'm at. No, I love that.
Speaker 1: Okay, We're gonna just do like a little rapid fire pod.
Speaker 1: Biggest dating red flag.
Speaker 3: Won't share location. I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, Oh if my if Christian's location is
Speaker 1: not loading, I start to bug.
Speaker 4: Not even like that you're cheating, but why, It's just
Speaker 4: why can't you share it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you plan on cheating? Where are you going?
Speaker 3: Where are you going? Why you have my location? I
Speaker 3: have all my friends' location, so do I?
Speaker 2: I have a list.
Speaker 4: It's like lined, like you're literally inside of me and
Speaker 4: you can't show you aren't going to give me your location.
Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: I agree. Fastest you ever said I love you to someone.
Speaker 4: My college boy friend. After two weeks. We said it
Speaker 4: like jinx. We said it at the same time. We
Speaker 4: were like laughing, We're like, I love you. We got skipped,
Speaker 4: and then we dated for four years.
Speaker 1: So it worked, But how would you handle being ghosted?
Speaker 1: Would you call them out?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right, but then what if they what if you confront
Speaker 1: them and then they don't answer you? Then my binness.
Speaker 1: I hate seeing all blue keeps kind white. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: can phone too much. Yeah, maybe if you ghost me,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just recently ghosted someone and I feel awful about it.
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna unghost them after this pod because
Speaker 4: now I just remembered it and I feel bad.
Speaker 3: Oh god, But if you're.
Speaker 2: Not interested, you're not interested, I know.
Speaker 3: But no one deserves to be ghosted. It's wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they also there's also it's hard when there's
Speaker 1: no explanation. Yeah, what are you going to explain to them?
Speaker 4: I'm good, I know, right, That's why I didn't really
Speaker 4: vibe with you. I've texted so many things and then
Speaker 4: it deleted it. I'm like, I don't know what to say.
Speaker 4: I'll have chat GBT on ghost for me after this.
Speaker 2: What's your biggest ick you get from guys social media?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Fitchecks?
Speaker 2: You hate when they do I'm wearing this today? Or
Speaker 2: where's your outfit from.
Speaker 4: Or like when they like stand it, I'm so like,
Speaker 4: I don't know because I know that's what I do
Speaker 4: on Instagram or I do, but I feel like Instagram
Speaker 4: is for the girls and TikTok is for the girls.
Speaker 4: And I don't like when a man sets up the
Speaker 4: camera and steps back and like does a body check.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's literally doing the fitcheck.
Speaker 4: I know, but I know it's a double standard, but yeah,
Speaker 4: itkes me out personally.
Speaker 3: Can't get over.
Speaker 1: It is soft launching a relationship cringem.
Speaker 4: What like back of the headshot or like just holding hands, yeah,
Speaker 4: being like who is this? I think it's for attention.
Speaker 4: Soft launching is definitely for attention.
Speaker 1: I do too, And I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: people in our industry do that because they don't want to.
Speaker 4: Reveal their person which is fair. It is fair, which
Speaker 4: is totally fair. They want attention first. I feel like
Speaker 4: you need to do some softo be it would be
Speaker 4: the secret.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like if I do date someone, no one's
Speaker 4: going to know for two years, I'm just going to
Speaker 4: be a big fat secret and if it really works out,
Speaker 4: you're like, and this is who I love, this is
Speaker 4: the guy I'm marrying.
Speaker 3: And he's not going to embarrass me at this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but sorry, last question about that when you came out,
Speaker 1: because I'm just curious about everything with your ex. Did
Speaker 1: his team reach I know his team reached out to
Speaker 1: you for you to be quiet, Yeah, but once you
Speaker 1: were out, did they fortelly again to any Yeah.
Speaker 4: They hired bots to like spam all of my shop,
Speaker 4: and they hired people, so you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: if you saw from Too Hot to Handle, I love her.
Speaker 4: Francesca came out that people wanted to pay her to
Speaker 4: spread hate about Haley bey Burr. His team did the
Speaker 4: same thing about me, like one perc and all these pots.
Speaker 4: And I had an insider, like I still had people
Speaker 4: on his team that were friends with me or like
Speaker 4: likes me better because a lot of people hated him,
Speaker 4: and they would feed me all this information and I
Speaker 4: couldn't believe the links they were going behind the scenes,
Speaker 4: but then staying so silent.
Speaker 3: It was bizarre.
Speaker 4: This happens behind the scenes with powerful people and with
Speaker 4: money is really scary, and it's crazy because no one
Speaker 4: on social media knows that. So like when you see
Speaker 4: all the hate that Hailey Bieber's getting, it's it's because
Speaker 4: it's being pushed or people are being paid to post that,
Speaker 4: or it's this narrative, and then it's a wind tunnel
Speaker 4: and on social get leave. Yeah, it's bizarre. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean, honestly, what everyone should do is filter
Speaker 1: your comments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you have to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see it.
Speaker 3: And people get mad when you do that, but I
Speaker 3: don't care. It's your cyberbullying people.
Speaker 4: Why would It's just because people have influence or money
Speaker 4: or fame, It doesn't mean that what you're doing isn't wrong.
Speaker 2: Like, we still feelings, we're still we're still people, and we.
Speaker 4: Would never go comment on someone's picture you're fat, ugly
Speaker 4: and kill yourself.
Speaker 3: Like, it's just it's bizarre.
Speaker 1: So he literally just wanted to try to destroy your
Speaker 1: life or try to hurt you in Yeah, as in
Speaker 1: the best way that he could.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I barely even said anything like about him on
Speaker 4: social media. No, you just talked about my experience when
Speaker 4: I could have said a lot more.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you could have crazy.
Speaker 2: How many dates with a guy before you would offer
Speaker 2: to split the bill?
Speaker 4: I'm like, I feel like I sometimes want to pick
Speaker 4: it up on the on the first take. Why do
Speaker 4: I feel like you would so do that? I feel
Speaker 4: like I do that as I just need to assert dominance.
Speaker 4: I feel do not do that. I know, but I
Speaker 4: don't really care.
Speaker 2: I know, but I feel you need to be treated,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: I know, but I feel okay if they if they
Speaker 4: don't offer, that's weird. But if they offer, I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 4: we could split it. Yeah, I just feel bad. I
Speaker 4: always feel bad.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if they don't offer to even take
Speaker 1: the bill, then I would just take it and pay
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, but then that would probably be the
Speaker 1: last time I saw the Yeah. Yeah, it's just it's chivalrous.
Speaker 1: Would you ever not date a guy based on his
Speaker 1: zodiac sign?
Speaker 3: I know I'm a Gemini, and I know everywhere eats geminis,
Speaker 3: so my dad's as.
Speaker 4: When I stopped learning about them, I'm like, Okay, if
Speaker 4: no one likes me, I don't want to really learn
Speaker 4: about any of the other ones.
Speaker 2: My dad's a Gemini, really, yeah, I hate him exactly.
Speaker 3: It's probably great.
Speaker 2: No, he is good time.
Speaker 3: But you guys are very.
Speaker 2: Like one minute cool, one minute. I mean, maybe you're not.
Speaker 1: But my dad's like one minute he's like the funnest
Speaker 1: person ever, and then like one minute he's like.
Speaker 2: A flip of a switch. I'm like, dude, what is
Speaker 2: wrong with I.
Speaker 4: Definitely have two personalities where it's either I'm in go mode,
Speaker 4: fun mode, or I just I think it's I'm introverted
Speaker 4: or ex diverted. I either want to be inside of
Speaker 4: my house like curled up, don't want to talk to anyone,
Speaker 4: or I want to be a social butterfly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is weird. People are like, what version are
Speaker 3: we going to get this? Yeah? No, I yeah, that's
Speaker 3: my dad too. What are you?
Speaker 2: I'm a Capricorn, I'm January. I'm January.
Speaker 1: The only reason why I knew what much Gemen I
Speaker 1: was because because my dad is one.
Speaker 2: But I'm January. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Apparently Capricords are hardworking, motivated, yes, queen, But all right,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2: This is such a fun podcast.
Speaker 3: Happy for you. I can't wait to see your new show.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I missed you.
Speaker 2: Fuh this is so fun.
Speaker 3: Buys. Bye