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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with

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Speaker 2: your Jason Diamondback with us an American author and screenwriter

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Speaker 2: who has always had a fascination with great storytelling. He

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Speaker 2: attended the Valley Forge Military Academy and graduated with the

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Speaker 2: class of ninety four, followed by a university class of

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Speaker 2: ninety eight with a bachelor's degree in business. Most of

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Speaker 2: the science fiction work he does explores societal self reflection

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Speaker 2: through which characterizations are driven worlds testing humanity among the stars.

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Speaker 2: His latest book is called Nivius War. And here's Jason

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Speaker 2: diamond Back on Coast to Coast. Hi, Jason, how are

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Speaker 2: you fantastic? George.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be back. I love what you've done

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Speaker 3: with the studio here.

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Speaker 2: It looks beautiful, fantastic Nivious War. Nivius means snow or frosty,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it, Yes, exactly tell us about that title.

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Speaker 3: So yes, So the title is it takes place in

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Speaker 3: the winter season on Wallure, which is the wolf star

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Speaker 3: in the Nivious War book. And so we just decided

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Speaker 3: to call it that because that's the time of the

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Speaker 3: year that the story takes place.

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Speaker 2: And you really take a serious look at humanity and

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Speaker 2: the limits of the human spirit, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do, George. It's something I take very seriously,

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Speaker 3: and that's the central question of nivious war. Honestly, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's something that we wrestle with right now in the

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Speaker 3: real world. We talk about going to Mars, we talk

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Speaker 3: about colonizing new planets, but we rarely ask the deeper question,

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Speaker 3: what version of ourselves are we going to bring with us?

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Speaker 3: Because you know what, if it's the same mindset, the

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Speaker 3: same patterns of division, exploitation, and short term thinking, we're

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Speaker 3: not really escaping anything, are we. We're just relocating ourselves.

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Speaker 3: And you know, maybe President Reagan was right when he

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Speaker 3: said in the nineteen eighties Earth needs an alien invasion

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Speaker 3: for everybody to come together.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he knew something. Jason. Yeah, Now, in your book,

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Speaker 2: which is a novel, but a lot of it is

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Speaker 2: based on fact and truth, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, you know, it's not a it's more of

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Speaker 3: a reflection than it is a prediction.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we.

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Speaker 3: You know, we often feel like, you know, the enemy

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Speaker 3: is external. You know, the environment, the unknown, the alien

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Speaker 3: presence that we encounter on Walldre. You know, those are

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Speaker 3: tangible threats and you know they demand immediate attention.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't say we are our own enemy in a hopeless sense,

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Speaker 3: but I'd say the real challenge is the parts of

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Speaker 2: But in your book, though, you you point out very

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Speaker 2: correctly the destructive nature of human beings, don't.

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Speaker 3: You, Yes, we do, and that's based on the thought

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Speaker 3: that you know, we have not evolved morally as fast

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Speaker 3: of the most defining challenges of our time. Our advancement

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Speaker 3: has been extraordinary. We've expanded beyond Earth, We've developed tools

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Speaker 3: that can reshape biology. We've got systems that connect billions

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Speaker 3: of people instantly. But humanity has the capability to hope

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Speaker 3: fully be able to you know, survive in a possible

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Speaker 3: is all about. It's about confronting and comparing these scenarios

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Speaker 2: Would we still be around by that time with what

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Speaker 2: we're doing to each other right now, Jason, Well.

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Speaker 3: You know, George, if we don't change now, no, And

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Speaker 3: you know some of the scientists that you see on TV,

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Speaker 3: And my personal timeline and theory of humanity changing and

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Speaker 1: So we need to speed up.

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Speaker 3: That process now to avoid, you know, doomsday.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that doomsday is inevitable?

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Speaker 3: And that's because I think that war, you know, exist

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Speaker 3: The battles between faction species ideologies, they're real, George, they're physical,

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Speaker 3: the difficult truth is, as long as those internal drivers exist,

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Speaker 2: Why can't the humankind get along? Jason?

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Speaker 3: Well, many reasons. I don't think we have enough time

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Speaker 3: and that's the tension that really mirror mirrors Nivius were

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Speaker 3: you know, one idea that I have Georgie, that I

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Speaker 3: But you know, something I'd like to propose to humanity

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Speaker 3: then from there we can begin to build these bridges

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Speaker 2: Ideally that would be perfect, but there's too much hate

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Speaker 2: on this planet, Jason, too much hate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, George, you know, fear of the

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Speaker 3: And reasoning with people and countries and cultures that are

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Speaker 3: and we have to convince them that moving forward together

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Speaker 2: Is it doable?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's doable, but not until we fully understand that

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Speaker 3: and you know, amnivious. Where that realization comes into sharp focus.

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Speaker 3: You know, you get to a new world that's unfamiliar

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Speaker 3: and you have to adapt to it, to this new

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Historically, humanity tends to act reactively and respond when the

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Speaker 3: to be ahead of it. And that's really the main

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Speaker 5: And I know you're gonna want some them after hearing this.

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Speaker 5: This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: I understand that Malachi, who's eight almost nine years old now,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 4: It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 5: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 4: Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 4: no way, that's gonna wow. That's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the characters Docel and vs Cell in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, George, the Vsal and the Docel, those are

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Speaker 3: actually the alien sex that humanity encounters on Waller the

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Speaker 2: Was their hate on that planet too?

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Speaker 3: Not until humanity got there, George, you know when I

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Speaker 2: It sure does, there's no question about that. Now, assuming

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Speaker 3: Well, well, here's my honest opinion. They must not like us, George,

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Speaker 3: but they have probably come and gone before our existence,

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Speaker 2: Do you blame them based on what they may be witnessing?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't blame them, George, because if I was

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Speaker 3: why would they want to come here? They wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they come here to exterminate the place.

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Speaker 2: Be another saga to the book?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, George, we have. Part three is already done

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Speaker 3: Nivius War. The official release date is May ninth, so

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Speaker 3: release date for book three. I don't want to give

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Speaker 2: Two now explained covered to me. On this one, it's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Sure, so Nivious War obviously the title at the top,

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Speaker 2: He doesn't he.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you know that could be frozen from fear,

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Speaker 3: could never really explain that. No, nothing can prepare you

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Speaker 2: I almost went to Iraq back in ninety one, but

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Speaker 3: Oh thank goodness for you. Yeah, because who knows if

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Speaker 2: Now, the soldier on the cover of Bibius is standing

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Speaker 3: Humanity really goes through a lot in this story because

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Speaker 3: again this is a part in the future. Again, it's

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