WEBVTT - Wolverine & the X-Men on the Big Screen

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for every single Mutant movie,

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<v Speaker 1>every single movie, every single Wolverine movie, all of them

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<v Speaker 1>to be warned. Hello, my name is Jason Gazepcio and

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<v Speaker 1>I am Rosie Knight, and welcome back to x ray

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<v Speaker 1>Vision's week long coverage of all links Deadpool and Wolverine.

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<v Speaker 1>We're dropping episodes every single day leading up to the

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<v Speaker 1>release of that fine feature film, covering everything from both

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<v Speaker 1>characters comments origins to the history of their film adaptations.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's episode, well, well, well, if you haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for this since our very first episode, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is mine and jason shed hyperfixation. It is the X

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<v Speaker 2>Man and we are recapping every single Fox x Man

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<v Speaker 2>movie and covering what you need to remember going into

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<v Speaker 2>that pool of Wolvere and most importantly, working out if

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<v Speaker 2>any of it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's gonna be the big question.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the night.

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<v Speaker 2>And who's who We're gonna be ranking our top five

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<v Speaker 2>X Men movies after we recap every single one.

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<v Speaker 1>But first the X Men movies. Okay, I have just

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<v Speaker 1>gotten done watching every single X Men movie in fictional

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<v Speaker 1>chronological order, and that's how we will cover these and

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<v Speaker 1>recap these films, try and figure out what's canon, what's not,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the canon, how does it work? And I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to get started, Rosie. Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh baby, I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 5>This is it's all been laid into this my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>First up, twenty eleven's X Men First Class. I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best. It's got its problem, does it,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think one of the spot But I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best mutant movies that we have. In

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen sixties, Charles Xavier a groovy. He actually says, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>gvy baby, he's grooving.

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<v Speaker 4>This is as.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, a Austin Powers esque version of Charles Xavier. He is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course a rich kid. He joins forces with Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>hunter Eric Lencher and CIA agent.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, that's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>To recruit the very first version of the X Men.

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<v Speaker 1>They do ask Logan to join.

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<v Speaker 4>He declined what he was up to He was busy.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like getting ready to go to Vietnam at

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<v Speaker 1>this period.

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<v Speaker 4>That later more on that like.

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<v Speaker 1>Opposing them is apparently x Nazi Sebastian Shaw of the

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<v Speaker 1>hell Fire.

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<v Speaker 4>Think why would you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Woh and his and his brotherhood of evil mutants so

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<v Speaker 1>though he does not call them. Shaw wants to start

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<v Speaker 1>World War three so that all the humans will die

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<v Speaker 1>and that radiation poisoning will jump start mutant hegemony. The

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<v Speaker 1>X Men of course stop them during the Cuban Missile crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, and Magneto takes revenge on Shaw who killed

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<v Speaker 1>his family. Yeah, but Charles and Eric's partnership is fatally

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<v Speaker 1>torn apart and Charles is left sadly paralyzed. Also, we

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<v Speaker 1>get the reveal that Magneto's helmet was originally Sebastian Shaw's

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<v Speaker 1>and he just took it. Your thoughts about X Men

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<v Speaker 1>first class?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, best of all, justice for Darwin. We all know

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<v Speaker 2>that's the worst part movie. Also, things that are fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>about this movie James McAvoy and Michael He's great Goose

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<v Speaker 2>two together they got the chemistry that set off a

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<v Speaker 2>whole new era of Charles Magneto shipping. I love that

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<v Speaker 2>Charles is very dumb in this movie.

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<v Speaker 4>He does not train the X Men. Also, he just gay.

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<v Speaker 1>They just send them in like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Cuban missile, just like go in r Ipter. Darwin,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, should never have died. Havoc loved to

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<v Speaker 2>see him, read to see him. I'd love to see

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<v Speaker 2>him here. He will reappear in these movies as they

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<v Speaker 2>go on with a funny pillow up his shirt to

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<v Speaker 2>show that he's gotten older things. I still annoy me

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<v Speaker 2>about this movie, Mystique, Why why is she like going

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<v Speaker 2>to Charles's house Like she's like an Oliver Twist orphan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like a little sheep shooting Oliver Twist.

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<v Speaker 6>I did some foods a cheese and he's just like

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<v Speaker 6>he's just like, yes, you may live with me.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you are you could see yes.

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<v Speaker 2>You can take you are my m rich Yes, funny

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<v Speaker 2>to see Azazel here because it's like is he meant?

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<v Speaker 4>We didn't know at the time when we were like okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so is he not?

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<v Speaker 2>Cooler's dad also, like Mystique say, like, what's going on there?

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously have to say yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course they'll have to have to mention Azazel. In

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<v Speaker 1>the comics, I think he came out like the two thousands,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes like two thousand and tens. He had his origin

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<v Speaker 1>and then was in Cannon Nightcrawler's Dad until like this

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<v Speaker 1>year changed very recently, but when it came out, we

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<v Speaker 1>were like.

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<v Speaker 2>Also so other things that I thought good about this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>That always make me go like, oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe they did that. The origin of Charles's paralysis

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like during the Cube stopping the Cuba missile crisis,

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<v Speaker 2>Magneto accidentally set a bullet to Charles's back and then

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<v Speaker 2>he and they're holding each.

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<v Speaker 4>Other and he's like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>I was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Like to me, I will say that this is actually

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<v Speaker 2>like I do think at the time, I was like

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<v Speaker 2>so blown away by it.

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<v Speaker 4>But this has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Trumped in my favorite when I look back of the

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<v Speaker 2>best ones actually by the one that we'll talk about next.

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<v Speaker 4>But it is still up there, very it is. It

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<v Speaker 4>is still it's very, very good.

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<v Speaker 2>But the times I think something we have to say

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<v Speaker 2>is at the time this was like revolutionary post x three,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't know what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>My expectations were nil below the ground. Yeah, we're nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not think First Class would be good, and

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the time there was kind of this talk

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<v Speaker 2>of Mark Miller was gonna the comics creator, was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>come and take over the Fox movies. Matthew Vaughnis, his

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<v Speaker 2>friend Matthew Vaughan wrote and directed this with the help

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<v Speaker 2>of some other people. So this was definitely like felt

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<v Speaker 2>like it could be a restart for the franchise. And

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<v Speaker 2>also there's just some funny stuff here where you can

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<v Speaker 2>really tell they're trying to take from the MCU, like

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<v Speaker 2>the Origin of Cerebro where it's like.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so grounded and real. No it's not, it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I gotta say I'm annoyed that Magneto stole his

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<v Speaker 1>helmet from Sebastian show. I don't love that so silly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's really really fucking silly. And it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been much cooler if Magneto, even though he was

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<v Speaker 1>ostensibly allies and kind of friends with Charles.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it makes sense that he would have made something

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<v Speaker 4>to protect him, made it.

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<v Speaker 1>On his own, just to be like, say the funk

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<v Speaker 1>out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, Superducer Joe rightfully was like Darwin, some people might

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<v Speaker 2>not know why you're mad about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, dollar, Okay, so let's yeah, please explain. So Darwin

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<v Speaker 1>can't die.

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<v Speaker 4>Power literally his whole power.

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<v Speaker 1>He evolved old Darwin because he evolves, right, So if

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<v Speaker 1>you confront him with heat, he will immediately instantly evolve

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<v Speaker 1>a resistance to that up to any level, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>who knows what the kind of evolution, what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>course it would take in his mutation. And so if

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<v Speaker 1>you as you saw in the movie, if you put

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<v Speaker 1>his head underwater, he will he will grow.

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<v Speaker 5>Gills, like you can't kill he is unkillable, and then

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<v Speaker 5>he shouldn't be costing someone like Eddie get Daggy is

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<v Speaker 5>such a great actor, and you're like, this is so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>This is someone who's been in you know, The Brising

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<v Speaker 2>Full of sim Wahulk, Messiah Complex, Secret Invasion, He's been

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<v Speaker 2>on X Factor.

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<v Speaker 4>This man he was in dorn of X, the recent stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>He is like a legendary character who can always recur

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<v Speaker 2>and be around, and they just killed him off and

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<v Speaker 2>he was a black character in a movie which which made.

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<v Speaker 4>It feel really bad, like not great, really.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad And also like that is one of the recurring

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<v Speaker 2>issues that people have with this movie, which is wild

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<v Speaker 2>still very.

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<v Speaker 4>Well thought of. Everyone is always thinking about justice pause

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<v Speaker 4>that as we.

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<v Speaker 1>Go forward, one recurring theme will be even the best

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<v Speaker 1>X movies, there's no perfect exa no, no, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>best X movie probably doesn't rise to the level of

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<v Speaker 1>the five or seven best.

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<v Speaker 4>Consistency and the thoughtfulness.

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<v Speaker 2>Because also something I've watched First Class so many times now,

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<v Speaker 2>like definitely in the double digits. And something else that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of comes to is like they do the thing

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<v Speaker 2>where like the characters that join Magneto to be on

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<v Speaker 2>his like bad team, you get like the characters of

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<v Speaker 2>Color go over there always and you're always just like

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<v Speaker 2>could have been a bit more fully because pixy joints.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Also I love Zoe Kravitz, but like interesting, like there's

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<v Speaker 2>just so many choices that where it's like the character

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<v Speaker 2>is supposed to be like this really normal looking woman

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<v Speaker 2>and then you cast like the most beautiful woman of

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<v Speaker 2>the who.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, gives a inert performance as even a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to go with, not given a lot why she

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<v Speaker 1>switches sides? Don't you don't ever feel it? That should

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<v Speaker 1>be a big moment. So really good movie but imperfect. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that brings us to our next movie, twenty fourteenths

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<v Speaker 1>X Men Days of Future Past. To avoid a dystopian

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<v Speaker 1>future twenty first century, Wolverine and the scraps of the

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<v Speaker 1>X Men concoct a mission to send Logan's mind back

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<v Speaker 1>into his body in the year nineteen seventy three, the

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<v Speaker 1>year the Knicks last one an NBA time, especially for

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's I think that's why they picked that

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<v Speaker 1>is in prison for killing JFK. Spoiler, he did not

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<v Speaker 1>kill JFK, who was a mutant. He was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>protect JFK.

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<v Speaker 4>A fucking think about this all the time. Charles is like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, you know, forget the fact that you paralyzed me,

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<v Speaker 2>like whatever else. He's like, I'm upset because how could

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<v Speaker 2>you do it?

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<v Speaker 4>How could you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Eric?

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<v Speaker 6>And he killed and Charles I was trying to stop

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<v Speaker 6>the bullet. And he looks and he goes, he was

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<v Speaker 6>one of us, Charles, Charles.

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<v Speaker 1>His mutation was an ability to endlessly cheat on his wife. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he could have endless affairs, Charles. It was amazing, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So free Magneto. We must say that Logan, with the

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<v Speaker 1>help of Charles, no longer in a wheelchair because he's

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<v Speaker 1>taking wonder drugs that give him the use of his

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<v Speaker 1>legs back, but dead in his psychic ability.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually quite an interesting like rinkle like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Beast. And Magneto's son Quicksilver go and free Magneto from

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<v Speaker 1>prison in a set piece that I think is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best set pieces in.

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<v Speaker 4>All the best in the MCU too. That specific so good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just wonderful, wonder wonderful. Quicksilver then leaves the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>but now together the X Men plus Magneto stop Mystique,

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<v Speaker 1>now leading her own team from assassinating ball Over Trask,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the creator of the Sentinels. This stops the

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<v Speaker 1>Sentinel project. Trash goes to prison and the timeline is altered,

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<v Speaker 1>allowing the Xavier School for Gifted Children to flourish through

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties, nineties, and two thousand's. Magneto decides to run

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<v Speaker 1>away to live in Poland, and then the Stinger is

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<v Speaker 1>We see Apocalypse, his power rising back in the days

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<v Speaker 1>of H and E. We watch him build the Pyramids.

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<v Speaker 1>Your thoughts about X Men, Ok, he's a future past.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a really hard film story wise

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<v Speaker 1>to pull off, and I think they did a really

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<v Speaker 1>good Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was when I first saw this movie, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, justice for Katy Pride, because you know

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<v Speaker 2>it's Kitty who goes back in the original stories.

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<v Speaker 4>And but I will say I actually think this movie

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<v Speaker 4>holds up very well.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the opening where we get they do like

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<v Speaker 2>a cold open where every X men gets killed, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think is really cool. You also get in this

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<v Speaker 2>Bishop love to see him blink. You get some really

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<v Speaker 2>cool X Men. You also get to see this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of future version of Magneto and Charles where they've come

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<v Speaker 2>back together as a team to kind of help.

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<v Speaker 4>I like the jeweling timelines.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that Evan Peters is, like legit a

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic casting for Quicksilver, and I so bree that the

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<v Speaker 2>MCU was harmed by this representation because their representation was

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<v Speaker 2>not equal or near equal, even though.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Aaron Taylor, Aaron Taylor, John's I'm gonn Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor has super speed but could not avoid the bullets

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<v Speaker 1>exactly and then gets got.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you haven't seen this sequence, just go on

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<v Speaker 4>YouTube and watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a sequence where Quicksilver goes around a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>kitchen in the prison and changes everything so that.

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<v Speaker 1>To the tune of Jim Croche's Time in a Bottle.

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<v Speaker 4>Which is also one of the best needle drops. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's just one or such a fun scene.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a lot of fun playing with the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that this is Magneto's son, and this kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>implications but not like the two of them kind of

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<v Speaker 2>realizing but not wanting.

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<v Speaker 4>To deal with it. I thought it was great, but

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<v Speaker 4>I still enjoy this movie. This has high rewatchability factor.

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<v Speaker 1>I completely agree. I think the dueling timeliness pulled off

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<v Speaker 1>really really well, adds a lot of tension to the story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just fantastic. One more note, it features a cameo

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<v Speaker 1>by Chris Claire. Yes any opening congressional hearing scene, and

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<v Speaker 1>he has a line which is wild, So that is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>They can I think that that might be a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of other little comic book creators in that too. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they put together a little a little rost, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's always nice to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing we're going to try and unwrap is to

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<v Speaker 1>continue this podcast, which requires us to run ads. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>one right now, Yeah, okay, we're back. So that takes

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<v Speaker 1>us through the early nineteen seventies history of Charles Xavier

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<v Speaker 1>and the X Men and Wolverine. We should note that

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<v Speaker 1>during the course of this movie, Charles stops taking his

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<v Speaker 1>legs drug and thus develops his psychic powers back, and

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<v Speaker 1>that brings us to two thousand and nines X Men

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<v Speaker 1>origins V We open it like different in the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century. Yes, we open in the late nineteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>early twentieth century or thereabouts, where a young mutant named

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<v Speaker 1>Logan runs away from his abusive family with a weird

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<v Speaker 1>older kid named Victor Creed, also a mutant. We discover

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<v Speaker 1>they then go on to fight in every single war

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<v Speaker 1>up to Vietnam. Shouts to Logan and Victor Creed for

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for the North during the Civil War.

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<v Speaker 4>Very happy to see that.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late seventies where they've been held in the

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<v Speaker 1>brig apparently because of their actions during the Vietnam War.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just hard to control, these two. They are then

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<v Speaker 1>recruited by WILLIAMS. Stryker, who's putting together a top team

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<v Speaker 1>of the world's best killers called the WEAPONEX Project. That

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<v Speaker 1>project includes a young pre Deadpool Wilson played by Ryan Reynolds,

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<v Speaker 1>who is honestly the bright point of this movie. Like

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<v Speaker 1>his little dialogue parts when they're like going on flyo

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<v Speaker 1>off to missions, Logan eventually gets tired. The year is

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<v Speaker 1>now like nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine. Logan eventually gets

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<v Speaker 1>tired of just like murdering people around the world for

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<v Speaker 1>William Striker, so he quits. He moves to Canada, where

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<v Speaker 1>he falls in love with the mutant Silver Fox. Although

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's like obvious that she's a mutant.

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<v Speaker 4>Butted and suggested, yeah, it's employed.

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<v Speaker 1>He falls in love with Silver Fox, who is a

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<v Speaker 1>school teacher. Sabertooth then kills Silver Fox to get revenge.

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<v Speaker 1>Logan lets Striker lace his body without Americaan so that

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<v Speaker 1>he can do this crazy idea so that he can

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of Victor once and for all. But then

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<v Speaker 1>he finds out that actually Silver Fox is alive and

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<v Speaker 1>that Victor Creed faked her death. Meanwhile, Logan and Victor

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<v Speaker 1>Creed team up to take out the super Weapon X

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimate Product, Deadpool, who has all the powers of various

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<v Speaker 1>young mutants, including Scott Summer's I Beams and the Healing Factor,

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<v Speaker 1>and he can teleport like either Blinker Nightcrawler. And the end,

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<v Speaker 1>Striker shoots Logan in the head with an adamantium bullet

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<v Speaker 1>and this causes him to forget All his memories are

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<v Speaker 1>shattered and he doesn't remember anything that he's ever done.

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<v Speaker 5>Your thoughts about this movie be ranged unhinged movie raged.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I do watch this movie like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot because it's actually it's also it's mos hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very funny. It's really funny funny.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a legendary scene in this movie, a legendary

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<v Speaker 2>in my house at least, but where Wolverine like he's

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<v Speaker 2>first getting the clause and he's like he's like running

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<v Speaker 2>around and he ends up in like these people's bond

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, you can stay in our house, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he's like chopping.

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<v Speaker 4>Up the sing and just like so many comedic moments.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think sometimes they were trying to be comedic,

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<v Speaker 2>but sometimes they definitely weren't.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just absolutely wild that.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the route that they went, because you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to remember, at this point in time when they made

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<v Speaker 2>this movie, Wolverine is like the big seller of every

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<v Speaker 2>x Men movie. He's the big seller in all the comics.

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<v Speaker 2>A Wolverine movie, you would expect it to make a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money. This movie did make a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 2>though it was not critically acclaimed, it did not have

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<v Speaker 2>like a great legacy. But it's just hilarious because when

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<v Speaker 2>you rewatch it, you're like guys, there's like fifty million

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<v Speaker 2>stories you could have done, and this is what you did.

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<v Speaker 2>Must shout out that something that we were all shocked

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<v Speaker 2>about and has been giving us much joy. That Aaron,

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<v Speaker 2>our super producer, told us Troy sevon is young logan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I mean crazy stuff to look back and see

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<v Speaker 1>that that was pointed out to Aaron. You know what.

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<v Speaker 4>Other Yeah, yeah, Taylor Kitch as Gambit.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say. Other notes. One thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>noted from watching all of these movies is you can

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<v Speaker 1>really date them by the casting. So for instance, Days

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<v Speaker 1>of Future Pa, you knew the Game of Thrones was

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<v Speaker 1>popping because Peter dinkla is bolevard test exactly. And then

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<v Speaker 1>here we are. You know that Friday Night Lights was

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<v Speaker 1>hitting on all cylinders because there is our guy, Taylor Kitsch,

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<v Speaker 1>who you know, Hollywood was thinking, is this guy movie?

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<v Speaker 1>This guy, let's see, Let's put him gambit, Let's put

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<v Speaker 1>him as gambit. Let's put him in the adaptation of

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<v Speaker 1>the sci fi classic John Carter, which bombed spectacularly, thus

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<v Speaker 1>ending Taylor Kitch's run as a potential movie star. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>we should note that David Harbor, Yeah, Stranger Things fame

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<v Speaker 1>auditioned for the role of the Blob, but was turned down,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently according to him, for being too fat, which is

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<v Speaker 1>crazy because.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Derange, again, the character is on the edge of

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<v Speaker 4>twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing?

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<v Speaker 4>We go to make him less fat? He's the blow

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<v Speaker 4>up and it's like, no, dude, higher this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, I'm glad David hob wasn't in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie because it probably would have been very hard

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<v Speaker 2>for him to get costs in Stranger Things and have

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<v Speaker 2>the career that he did have.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, will I am in this movie?

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<v Speaker 1>Will this is another thing? This was the period when

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<v Speaker 1>we were like, kid, will I be a belief? We

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<v Speaker 1>weren't sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Also were not sure about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I also just like the sweet guy from Lord of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rings who's in this whose power is to like

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<v Speaker 2>turn on light bulb.

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<v Speaker 4>They were really trying some stuff in.

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<v Speaker 1>They were sure, Yes, Mary is in this?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it Pip or Mary? Mary trying to Yes, He's

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<v Speaker 1>like a con eventually ends up as a Carney. Other notes,

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<v Speaker 1>Silver Fox, Yes, one of Logan's true loves throughout his

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<v Speaker 1>comics arc, has a crazy comics continuity as crazy as

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<v Speaker 1>these movies, some of which is reflected in the film,

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<v Speaker 1>so she was a Native American woman who loved Logan

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<v Speaker 1>in the early twentieth centuries. In the comics, she is

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<v Speaker 1>in the classical sense fridged by yes, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute from the book definition of a fridging by Sabretooth.

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<v Speaker 1>Beginning Sabertooth's longtime feud with Wolverine. She later shows up

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<v Speaker 1>as a CIA assassin who then flips sides and joins

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<v Speaker 1>Hydra and then resurfaces as part of the Weapon X program,

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<v Speaker 1>but she doesn't remember Logan, And I think there's no

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<v Speaker 1>canon explanation for any of this, But I think the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's suggested is that the second Silver Fox who

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<v Speaker 1>shows up as a member of WEAPONX and doesn't remember

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<v Speaker 1>Logan is like an impostor who has been brainwashing to

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that she's Silver Fox. But like, how would they

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<v Speaker 1>know about Silver Fox? Specific doesn't make it doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great point about Logan's cannon, because so much

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<v Speaker 2>of the Wolverine canon is just like this person hated

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<v Speaker 2>Wolverine and wanted to torture him mentally, like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Happens throughout his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, fantastic catch here by one of our super Producers,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Lynn Collins, who played silver Fox was also

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<v Speaker 2>in John Carpentah, I mean John Cottza, not John Carpenter.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to see that movie. But John coppinher

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, John Carter, the movie that Taylor Kitch's

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<v Speaker 2>career was ended on. But I will say in the

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<v Speaker 2>film critic community, I'm not a John Carpenter. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>I am a Junk Carpenter Superstan. I am not a

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<v Speaker 2>johnk Ktastan.

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<v Speaker 4>But i will say some people they like that movie now,

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<v Speaker 4>they're saying give it every watch.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just it's it's okay. They were trying something,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, trying something.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, this film is obviously technically Deadpool's origin. It

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<v Speaker 2>was very hated at the time, the whole idea of

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<v Speaker 2>the muck with the mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, for right now, let's pretend it is, and

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<v Speaker 1>we will we'll talk about it, and we will try

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<v Speaker 1>and figure it, will try and unwrap all of that eathetically.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's just quickly update where we are canonically. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Xavier and Magneto have at this point like put

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<v Speaker 1>together a couple versions of X Men teams and then

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<v Speaker 1>broke up already Wolverine has is out there in the world, and.

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<v Speaker 4>He rejected them.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Charles end Magneto both know about him, but he

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<v Speaker 1>rejected them. Went on to fight at Vietnam because he again,

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<v Speaker 1>he fought in every single American war apparently, and now

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<v Speaker 1>is wandering around in the eighties without his memory because

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<v Speaker 1>he gets shot in the head with an Adamantian bullet.

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<v Speaker 1>He will later, you know, wander apparently up north called

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<v Speaker 1>again to the northern border where he is doing cage matches,

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<v Speaker 1>and this brings us to X Men. Apocalypse twenty sixteen's

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<v Speaker 1>absolute fucking stinker, and I gotta say this movie is

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<v Speaker 1>the worst and it's also one of the worst collorbook

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<v Speaker 1>movies that's ever happened. Apocalypse played by the wonderful Oscar Isaacs.

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<v Speaker 4>That seems like an absolutely like Wow, you killed it

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<v Speaker 4>costing can't wait to see that, you can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>He is prone to insane speechifying. He's also wearing like

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<v Speaker 1>the ugliest makeup ever. I will now do recap of this.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're back in ancient Egypt where super mutant Apocalypse

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<v Speaker 1>is about to have his mind transferred into a younger,

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<v Speaker 1>hotter body. This guy can do everything. He's got incredible powers.

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<v Speaker 1>He can build the pyramids, he can't grow himself huge,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got super strength. He can like make people dissolve.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing he can't do stop aging. The guy's

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<v Speaker 1>getting old old, so he needs a young body. And

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing is every time he tries to switch

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<v Speaker 1>into that young body, he's very vulnerable. So the people

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<v Speaker 1>of Egypt take the opportunity to betray him and en

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<v Speaker 1>sabaur Aka Apocalypse ends up trapped under the pancaked nine

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<v Speaker 1>to eleven rubble of his great Pyramid, where he remains

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<v Speaker 1>for five thousand years. Fast forward to nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 1>New mutants are emerging across the world. Havoc enrolls his

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<v Speaker 1>other cyclops at Xavier's school, Mystique recruits Nightcrawler. Also Angel

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<v Speaker 1>is around. Angel's Apocalypse comes back because like a cult

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:13.320
<v Speaker 1>awakens him and also Moimrick Taggart is there and he reawakens.

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<v Speaker 4>Why is she there? The buckets look killing.

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:20.720
<v Speaker 1>He comes back and it's so funny watching him wander

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>the streets of Eliot's Cairo just being a fucking super weirdo.

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>He watches TV for twenty minutes and then decides, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, this world is fucking soft, Like I'm tea,

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:33.200
<v Speaker 1>this is dumb.

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<v Speaker 4>I watched twenty minutes of TV and I'm like, this

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 4>is just the worst.

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 1>He recruits his new four horsemen, including Storm and Magneto,

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 1>whose family were all murdered in Poland.

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<v Speaker 2>Again and actually like again, I will say in one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best sequences from this movie is when you

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>get to see Magnio what Magneo has.

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Been up to, and he tried to live a simple

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.880
<v Speaker 1>life and they just wouldn't. Let Rosie, let me ask

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 1>you about this, Let me ask a about this. Where's

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<v Speaker 1>this depth of warm feelings and love for your other family,

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 1>including your son Quicksilver Cat and the woman who you

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.120
<v Speaker 1>had a relationship for a time and is his mother,

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that you can't raise those.

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 4>Kids he had to go to Poland. Stoutney family. We're

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<v Speaker 4>always trying.

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<v Speaker 1>Storm and Magneto eventually switch sides because fucking Apocalypse is

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:29.399
<v Speaker 1>crazy and prone to saying shit like this play the clip.

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<v Speaker 3>Always the same. Now all this no more stones, no

0:26:42.600 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 3>more spears, no more slings, no more sauces.

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<v Speaker 1>Sisting, no more super power.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's a Partlympse. He's doing that he's doing that

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 4>kind of shit alway.

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>He's doing it all the fucking time. Also, Tower of

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Babel is like a biblical story, and he was buried

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>like three thousand years before the Bible, Like what the how?

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 4>Also, as whatever, I.

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Guess that was in the twenty minutes of TV he

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 1>watched he got that information.

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 2>The music is so outrageous in this sequence too, like

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and everyone else plays it so serious, like all these

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 2>people around the world like they're in like the hunt

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 2>for Red October or something.

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.199
<v Speaker 4>They're like, who's turning the keys? It's like, I'll tell

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 4>you who.

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<v Speaker 2>It's apocalypse with his mind. I guess that seems like

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 2>he could be doing other things with that power. Also,

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 2>I feel like he didn't think this through. I feel

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 2>like just putting nukes in space is a bad idea,

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna end badly for everyone. Also, this movie does include

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<v Speaker 2>one of my all time Hollywood favorite tropes, which is

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<v Speaker 2>when they give an origin story for something that never

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>needed an origin story. This is maybe only beaten by

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 2>the second bar Ro movie that Kenneth Browna made, where

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 2>they give an origin for his mustache. But in this movie,

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:27.920
<v Speaker 2>they legitimately give an origin story to Charles Xavier going bold.

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's I'm getting to this. Let me get

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to this. So Magneto and Storm flip sides because they're

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>just like, I can't stand listening to this guy so boring.

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 1>He just keeps talking and talking and talking. So Gene

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>levels up her powers to Phoenix kind of sure region,

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Charles fights Apocalypse on the astral plane, and the big

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<v Speaker 1>guys went.

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 4>But sadly done.

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Sadly Apocalypse has baldified Charles over his fucking careful now

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>never ever be the same.

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 4>It tasfles out and you are just like, wow, this it's.

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>All gone, dude. Every follicle is gone, gone, gone, gone

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>with it, or the last vestiges of like Austin Powers

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>esque Riz no.

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Hardhead and he's gone all these young students, but it's

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>never happened in FAM.

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 4>Now there's a justice students.

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>That's Mando is offered an opportunity to teach you the school.

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 1>He declines, and that is x amount Apocalypse that takes

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 1>us up through the early eighties. One thing I want

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to mention that you mentioned origin stories. This movie is

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>really really bad. The Apocalypse stuff is like funny bad

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>because I think this movie is also like Apocalypse is

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 1>so deadly Shakespearean like serious, like he's serious all the

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>time and it makes him really funny. But also very

0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>clearly this movie was influenced by the MC which was

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>riding oh high high it could possibly at the time,

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and so they added like a lot of humor that

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 1>just falls extremely flat all throughout the movie. And then

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>there's problematic aspects like, for instance, the way that Apocalypse

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>recruits Magneto is he takes him to Auschwitz and it's like, hey,

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 1>remember this, Yeah.

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 4>He's he's like, remember when your parents were murdered? Why

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 4>don't you just get really angry now? And just like

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 4>remember the wholes that's fucked up.

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 2>And also as well, like you're talking about, you're reintroducing

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>like a character like Storm, who's like such an iconic legend.

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 4>And she's like a pace. They don't know what to

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 4>do with her. They don't do a good job.

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Also, you have Angel who's like fighting in these crazy

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 2>like fight clubs in Berlin. It's like he's at Bergen,

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 2>which I will say hilarious as an English person because

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>that kid was most well known for being in like

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 2>a British soap opera called Coronation Street or EastEnders. I

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 2>think he's in EastEnders. So it's like seeing someone from

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 2>like Days of Our Lives turn up in an X

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Men movie. So I will say something really funny about

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>this that I now see was a It was like

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 2>a noell A death.

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 6>Now more stone steps.

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 4>He's just like, that's not this is a nuclear bomb.

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 4>It's a different thing. But yeah.

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Like also, they came to the comic book shop that

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I worked in at the time and they were like, oh.

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 4>Do you want tickets to go and see this movie?

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>And it was just to the premiere, so you know

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 2>that they were really struggling when they were like, you

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>guys can just come and like try.

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 4>This out, just like see how it is.

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I will say, in the cinema there was a couple

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 2>of cool like crazy is interesting, but yeah, terrible movie,

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 2>absolutely ridiculous. And the fact that Apocalypse is like biggest

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>impact here is that he like makes Charles go bold

0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 2>is like so fucking funny Charles he bought and also

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 2>as well, I just want to say this is especially

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.959
<v Speaker 2>painful because Age of Apocalypse is like seen as one

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 2>of the best eras in Marvel Comics and Marvel X men,

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 2>so to adapt it so badly, you just know it's

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>all going badly from here, Making a superhero movie is expensive,

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.600
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0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:21.080
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0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're back. That brings us up to twenty nineteen's

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Dark Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, I'm saying this movie going down might be worse

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 4>than Age of Apocalypse.

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I think it's slightly better, but it's still I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>plot wise, there's definitely higher points in this higher I

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>think it's not a worst plot, but is a slightly

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>better mind.

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<v Speaker 4>I enjoy it because of the representation of Charles Hill.

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 4>I feel like is finally the.

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<v Speaker 1>Year is nineteen ninety two.

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Away, Can I just say everyone on Earth has wanted

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>a nineteen ninety two x ME movie because that is

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 2>when the cartoon was set. Everyone wants this to be

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 2>a neon fun They're going to the move. No, this

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>is the most bland ass looking movie that you could

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 2>ever imagine. They did the most boring version of the nineties.

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 2>It's actually offensive.

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 1>So it's nineteen ninety two. The psychic barriers Charles placed

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 1>on Gena keep her mutant powers from going absolutely fucking

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>crazy pants Phoenix level have failed.

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't have done that, by the way, that's a classic

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Charles's mistake, kit don't be yes.

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<v Speaker 1>She is asked to like save a space shuttle, and

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>she does it, but this awakens the powers and also

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 1>merges them with some sort of cosmic energies, and things

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>are going bad. Jane kills Mystique uh oh, freeing Jennifer

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence from her prison of the playing Mystique then flees

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 1>to the mutant refuge run by Magneto.

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 4>Interesting aliens, but they're not Jason.

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Obviously on that. So aliens drawn by this burst of

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 1>cosmic energy come to Earth. They tell Jane that she

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 1>has absorbed the Phoenix Force, which they want so they

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 1>can conquer Earth. Gene eventually kills all the aliens, but

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:39.959
<v Speaker 1>is consumed herself by the Phoenix Force and she dies.

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Hank takes over the school, which is renamed after Jane,

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>while Charles and Magneto play chess in Paris Your Thought,

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<v Speaker 1>Dark Phoenix.

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.359
<v Speaker 4>I my my most resounding memory of this movie, right

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 4>is one.

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I think they put Dazzler in it, and Dazzla's that

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and she's like in it for like two seconds.

0:34:58.480 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 4>Modern Dazzla she's not disco.

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<v Speaker 2>Second, Charles is like arrogant, kind of half evil Charles

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 2>in this where he like just.

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:11.240
<v Speaker 1>Well he's been bald and he's been balding and and he's.

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Like leaving the kids alone to just like go and

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>go and get like an award for being such a

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>great guy.

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:17.240
<v Speaker 4>I thought that was pretty interesting.

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.839
<v Speaker 2>But my most read a sounding memory is I saw

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>this in Century City AMC in the Westfield, which is

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 2>where many of these pre screenings happened. And no joke,

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>the last forty five minutes of the movie, we were

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 2>locked in to the screen and there was alarms going

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 2>off and flashing by, and we were all like, oh

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:38.760
<v Speaker 2>my god, what is going on? And were they wouldn't

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>last lea if we're watching the movie. At first we

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>thought it was part of the movie, then we realized

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't, and eventually it was just like someone had leaned.

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 4>On the fire alarm door. But we were all like,

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, we're gonna die, like what's happening.

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 2>So that's really And then the next day they emailed

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 2>us and they were like, guys, we're so sorry, Like

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 2>you can come if you want, you can come to

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>the premiere at the TCL Chinese there and everyone went.

0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 4>Nah, I nobody wanted to go to the premiere of

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 4>that movie. So that's my resounding bad times, bad times at.

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 1>The Bad Child's Bad movie that I just think, like the.

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.919
<v Speaker 2>Fact I'm sorry to I don't like to personally point

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 2>out somebody's failings, but like the fact that they got

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 2>the same person who made X three and fucked up

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>the Phoenix Saga in that to come back and once

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 2>again write a Phoenix Saga movie that he also flopped.

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Simon Kimberg, Please don't do that again. Just do a

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>different story.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't blame mister Kinberg, who you know had did

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>wonderful work on earlier days of future past. Yeah, this

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 1>feels to me like again, this is too many chefs

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>in the kitchen trying to chop it up and make things,

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 1>turn things into their own cinematic universe that could stand

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>on its own true And this is really the film

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 1>that you know, it's nineteen ninety two. Our next film

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>is two thousands X Men, which takes place basically in

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 1>current day, late nineties, early two thousands, and this is

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the movie that kind of irrevocably fucks up the canon

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>and it remains to be seen whether this the prequel

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:13.319
<v Speaker 1>movies exist in a different timeline as earlier released later

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>fictional chronology X Men film, So that brings us to

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 1>two thousand's X Men. The school is not named after Gene,

0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>and Gene is not dead, and an apparently perhaps separate

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 1>timeline will try to make sense of this. Afterwards, Charles

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 1>runs his school, which has active X Men team of

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Cyclops Storm and not dead Gene means a lot. Logan

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>is cage fighting up north somewhere. He doesn't who he

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>is because he gets shot in the head by the

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Adamantian bullet by William Striker. He meets Rogue, a runaway

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 1>mutant whose power is she can absorb other mutant's powers

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>regular humans like life, Force and Memories. Magneto's brotherhood of

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Evil Mutants are looking for her because Magneto has a

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.240
<v Speaker 1>plan which is the same plan as a Sebastian Shaw's

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>plan back in the same which just make everybody a mutant.

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 1>He has a machine that will make everybody a mutant.

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>He can power the machine, but it will kill him

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>if he does it. So his plan is to have

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Rogue in a kind of like Gollum in Return of

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>the King kind of thing, have Rogue steal his powers

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 1>and then have Rogue power the machine and she dies nice.

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>But ultimately the X Men with Wolverine defeat him at

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the Statue of Liberty and put him in a plastic prison.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>This was a great movie and I loved it when

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 1>I saw it in the theater all those years ago.

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I was so excited for this film. And so let

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>me ask you your thoughts. One about this movie and

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 1>two is this a different timeline? Did Charles eraice everybody's memory?

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Did you not really die? Is as a clone?

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<v Speaker 4>What is going on? Okay, so this movie obviously like

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 4>legendary movie.

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 2>I feel like establishes not only like ah comic book

0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 2>kindon as it is nowadays with these movies, but also

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>just like loads of the tropes love.

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 4>This movie was very important movie to me as I

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 4>was growing up.

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 2>Like fai Ye, this is where he gets his start

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 2>on these movies. I think that I have no idea

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 2>what they were thinking by killing Jean in that movie,

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.319
<v Speaker 2>because it makes me know in Dark Phoenix it makes

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 2>no sense. I know, it's like eight years later, I

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know what's supposed to have happened. Now, I did

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 2>consider this.

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 4>At the end of Days of Future Passed, Logan walks

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 4>through the door. He wakes up.

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>He's at Charles Xavier's and he walks through the door,

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 2>and Scott is there, and Jeane is there, and Charles

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.399
<v Speaker 2>is there, and they're like, welcome back. Guess what, these

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:47.759
<v Speaker 2>characters that you love never died, which happens in the

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 2>canon of these later on.

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Maybe this time line is fit.

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Maybe this timeline is actually that timeline and we're at

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the beginning again or something interesting.

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 1>That's a good thought, yeah, because.

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that would make sense. And Logan, you know,

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 2>the logan we see here. Maybe he doesn't remember, but

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 2>really that I think is the only get out that

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:08.320
<v Speaker 2>we have.

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Like, I like that, Okay, so that I'm gonna go

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 1>with that because I think that actually does kind of work.

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 4>It's sort of like a trapped cycle.

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:20.240
<v Speaker 1>It's the Yeah, it's kind of like a trap cycle,

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:23.400
<v Speaker 1>which brings us to two thousand and threes X two.

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<v Speaker 4>Widely seen as the best of the X Men movies,

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 4>I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Widely seen as the best. I think it probably is

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>loganside I would pre logan. I think that's right.

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 2>So it is.

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:41.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, Early two thousand's Nightcrawler attacks the White House,

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 1>which is the strong support for William Striker's anti mute.

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic opening sequence still just stats.

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Wonderful William Strikers Reavers Early Reavers, I guess who are?

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess? A government sealed Team six Anti Mutant Strike

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Force attack the mansion and kidnap a bunch of students.

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>He is building another Cerebro up at his base at

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Alcoholi Lake, and he plans to use the powers of

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>his mutant lobottomized son, Mastermind Horble, to make Charles, using

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Mastermind's ability to create illusions and implant false memories to

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>make Charles kill every mutant in the world by basically

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.879
<v Speaker 1>flipping it. He he logs into Cerebro and he thinks

0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:29.759
<v Speaker 1>all the mutants are like evil or human. I forget

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 1>what it exactly, go into Cerebra and kill now Mystique

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 1>in what is a wonderful set? Such a set all

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.839
<v Speaker 1>the breaking Magneto out of prison set pieces are great.

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Mystique breaks Magneto out of prison. Everyone goes to Striker's

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Canadian base, which is also the longtime home of Weapon X,

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the project that gave Logan is Adamantium, and he's there

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>and he's starting to like fragmented memories are starting to

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.360
<v Speaker 1>come to the survey's kind of remembering that the X

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Men defeat Striker and his lackeys, but Jeane dies, drowns

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>in the lake in like a rushing torrent of the

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>broken dam of alt the like La was holding back.

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:15.320
<v Speaker 1>She drowns in this rushing water, helping them escape. But

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:19.320
<v Speaker 1>does she die No, because power at the end, the

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 1>power of the Phoenix is kakoonder. And you know this

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 1>because at the end there's a shot where you're flying

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 1>over the surface of Alcohol Lake and you see like

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the flames in the shape of the Phoenix on the

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.319
<v Speaker 1>surface of the lake. I love this movie. I think

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 1>the action was wonderful. I think it was great. Like

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>there's that wonderful attack on the mansion. You get to

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>see Wolverine really in action for the first time. You

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 1>get to see him fight against Lady Death Strike, which

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I was so psyched h for Lady Death Strike to

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:49.720
<v Speaker 1>show up. You get this wonderful fleshing out of Charles

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 1>and Magneto's backstory. You meet Mastermind and learn that part

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 1>of William Striker's original grudge against mutants of the fact

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:58.839
<v Speaker 1>that his son is a mutant and that Charles really

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:02.800
<v Speaker 1>couldn't help him because he was too just too powerful,

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and and Charles was too young to like, too young,

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it was an inexperienced Charles. This is I

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 1>guess when would we guess this happened in the eighties

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 1>days of Future Past or something.

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which, by the way, in the context of these movies,

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Charles had a lot of experience. But I think the

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 2>idea is in the context of the x the original

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 2>X Men trilogy, he's a younger guy.

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:24.880
<v Speaker 4>He doesn't necessarily know what's going on.

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Also, just want to say, the one thing that really

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 2>makes these movies stand out right is like Patrick Stewart,

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Charles Xavier, Ian mckella, Magneto, Great Marsden, Scott Summers, like

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 2>that is a huge Jackman Wolverine. Obviously, these are like

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 2>top tier Hollywood castings that we still have.

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:45.719
<v Speaker 4>Like I think James Marsden.

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Scott Summers is like on a level almost with like

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.360
<v Speaker 2>a Robert Downey junior Tony Stark, Like who saw that

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>in him that he could be the perfect Scott?

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 4>He's so good and by the time you get to

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.719
<v Speaker 4>X three, which is, you know, a much maligned movie, but.

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 2>He's still his story and that still moves me, like

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:06.720
<v Speaker 2>there is still interesting things that are done in this movie.

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 4>So my apologies to Simon.

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Can I guess actually, but yeah, I just I just

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>think that the costing in these movies is like halle Berry.

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:15.560
<v Speaker 4>A Storm, She's amazing.

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Do you want to see a darker skin Storm more

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 2>representative of who Storm is? Yes, But halle Berry did

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:23.760
<v Speaker 2>a fantastic job with what she's given in this Alan

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Cumming Night Crawler.

0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 4>Nobody saw that.

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh now, that.

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 4>Genius costing.

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and the cold open his attack on the White House,

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 1>so that is up there as an action set piece

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 1>with you know, with the Quicksilver scene and anything else

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in the MCU like, it's just wonderful. It's great. That

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 1>brings us to two thousand and six is terrible X

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Men The Last Stand, which is happening again concurrently somewhere

0:44:55.520 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 1>in the mid two thousands, Worthington Labs of the family business.

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:04.239
<v Speaker 1>This owned by the Worthington family. The scion of that

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.719
<v Speaker 1>family is of course Warren Worthington, slash Angel, who's im mute.

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:11.240
<v Speaker 1>Worthington Labs is developing a cure to mutation. They basically

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:11.839
<v Speaker 1>have a cure.

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 4>I also feel like kind of work.

0:45:14.239 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, if your son is angel, that's like

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 2>the least problem, Like why would you be bothered to

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>cure him? He just is like a beautiful, handsome guy

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:21.879
<v Speaker 2>who has angel wings.

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 4>I feel like that's not really like this guy would

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 4>have a mutation for sure.

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, like I could see right now if

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Warren Worthington was just like flying around in the real world,

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 1>every TikTok would be like people crushing on Warren Worthington.

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 1>There would be strong arms and fly me like away, please,

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Warren Worthington, take me, take me away from here anyway.

0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Scott goes to visit Alkali Lake where Gene died, just

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 1>because he's missing her and he just wants to He's

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:56.920
<v Speaker 1>been called there's something that's calling him there. He goes

0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 1>there and he dies.

0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 4>Off screen, Yeah he does. He does get to like

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:05.319
<v Speaker 4>release his powers and he's like, yes, it's that's it's good.

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:06.760
<v Speaker 4>Good acting by James Marston.

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 1>That killed apparently by Jean who is now fully the

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.479
<v Speaker 1>dark Field, and that means she already was wants.

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Now she is the dark Phoenix again, and that means

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 2>she has to address like she's at a remfare throughout

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the movie, and it is unbelievable. Makes

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 2>her so frumpy. And I'm like, if you can make

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Fams and frumpy, there is a problem here, and this

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 2>problem is in this movie.

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Charles admits that he's been using his powers to suppress

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.760
<v Speaker 1>his Jean's full abilities, but now she's broken at the Garrison.

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:36.480
<v Speaker 4>Stop doing this.

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:40.360
<v Speaker 1>He just keeps doing it. He's admitting that he's doing it.

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Magneto is like, Gene, you finally seeing the light, babe,

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 1>come to my side. He recruits her to his huge

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>band of I don't want to call him evil mutants,

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 1>but me, you believe in the in the Magneto agenda, yea,

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:57.359
<v Speaker 1>and she kills Charles, She dissolves, It turns him to dust.

0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, old house, just like crazy. She's she's

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:02.279
<v Speaker 4>really she's on one.

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 1>But you know what that was where Charles, the place

0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:06.919
<v Speaker 1>where Charles first invaded her mind.

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:10.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes, where we also get more I believe we also

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:13.880
<v Speaker 2>get a Chris Claremont cameo in that moment where we

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:18.879
<v Speaker 2>see her like the local families around looking on as

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Charles goes to house in a very bad daging sequence.

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 1>So Magneto's band of mutant freedom fighters attack Worthington Leaf

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:30.400
<v Speaker 1>because they want to stop the cure, which I agree with.

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that's great. But the way they want to

0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 1>do it is by killing this specific kid whose mutant

0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:39.360
<v Speaker 1>genome is the source of the cure.

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.400
<v Speaker 4>And they're like a little bald headed kid, and so.

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 1>In the X Men are like, no, but we don't

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 1>kill the kid.

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 4>Come on.

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:47.440
<v Speaker 1>So the X Men go to stop them, and they

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 1>stopped them.

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:51.839
<v Speaker 4>A huge outrage. Oh my god. Every time I think

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 4>about it, it's like a pain in my heart. I

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:57.080
<v Speaker 4>feel like they would never do that.

0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:59.360
<v Speaker 2>There's two things that happened in this movie that is

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 2>very pain to me. One is when Mystique accident again

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Rebecca Remain It is really like the letters. She is

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 2>so good as Mistique. I feel like it was very

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 2>hard for them to ever recast that role and like

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Lawrence did her best, but Rebecca is so good

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 2>as Mystique. Two moments in this movie that always make

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:20.279
<v Speaker 2>me so furious every time I watch it, And yes

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I do rewatch this movie too much. But like the

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:27.080
<v Speaker 2>moment when Mistique gets cured accidentally because they have these

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 2>guns that they're shooting the cure out and then and

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 2>then magnet I was like, sorry, babe, you're not a

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:32.400
<v Speaker 2>mutant anymore.

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm just leaving you behind. He could never do that.

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:36.800
<v Speaker 1>He would never do would you would never do You

0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.399
<v Speaker 1>would be like, we will avenge you, and we will

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:43.440
<v Speaker 1>avenge this crime against you. These humans will pay.

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 2>But you would not be like, you're not a mutant anymore.

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:50.720
<v Speaker 2>But no, never, that would never happen. Rejected hate that idea. Also,

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 2>when Logan kills Jane, this is the most sad boy weird,

0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:59.520
<v Speaker 2>misogynistic bullshit, Like it's so horrible.

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 4>And she's like, do it, log and I really want

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 4>you to kill me. And he's like, okay, I gona

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:06.040
<v Speaker 4>do it. I gonna kill you. He would never do it.

0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:06.759
<v Speaker 4>He loves that.

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 2>He would never do it, this this disrespect. As soon

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 2>as you boy up, I was like, fury came back

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 2>inside my heart, like he would he would never do that.

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:20.279
<v Speaker 1>That terrible movie brings us to yet another ad break.

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:24.560
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0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 1>we're back Okay, here's where we are, right. So it's

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>the two thousands. There are X Men teams, Wolverine is

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:53.080
<v Speaker 1>a part of it. Jean Gray is dead, the Charles

0:49:53.280 --> 0:50:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Xavier is dead, and Magneto is potentially depowered because we

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 1>show him not you kind of saw him as stuff.

0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>But his power has taken a hit after being shot

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:08.000
<v Speaker 1>with the cure.

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 4>And he's running the school. The one good thing the

0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:12.279
<v Speaker 4>movie did set up but we never get.

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 1>A storm is running the school. But now Logan has

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:20.719
<v Speaker 1>been so traumatized by having to kill Jean and also

0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 1>what a bad movie. The last stand was that he's

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 1>back to living in the northern woods. That's where he

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:29.279
<v Speaker 1>goes when he doesn't know what else to do. He's

0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 1>living literally a hermit's existence in the woods. His only

0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 1>roommate is a bear yeah that he every morning says

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 1>hi to is he heads into town to drink beer.

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 1>He is then lured by this super rich industrialist named

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 1>yashidah whose life he saved from the nuclear attack on

0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Anagasaki back in World War two when he was fighting

0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 1>in every single war to Japan. This guy Yoshida basically

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:53.000
<v Speaker 1>is like, Hey, I just want to thank you for

0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 1>giving me the gift of my life by saving me

0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:58.200
<v Speaker 1>from the nuclear bomb, and I want to give you

0:50:58.280 --> 0:50:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a gift in return, which is your run. More to

0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:04.120
<v Speaker 1>you're living this is basically immortal life, and you've faced

0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you had to kill Jane, and all this stuff has happened,

0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 1>and you're so sad, and wouldn't it be better if

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 1>you could just die and it would release you from

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 1>all these terrible memories. By the way, let me just say,

0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 1>mister Shida, you got it wrong, because he doesn't remember

0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:25.040
<v Speaker 1>any of the shit from before nineteen eighty. Yeah, like

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:28.920
<v Speaker 1>he barely remembers it, to be fair. So Logan eventually

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 1>goes on the run with Yashida's daughter Marico, with.

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:38.120
<v Speaker 4>Her Logan character in the comment a huge.

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Important Logan character. He goes on the run from you know,

0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 1>various ninjas and Yashida mercenaries and who knows who else.

0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:48.359
<v Speaker 1>He finds out that he has this robotic parasite that's

0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:51.000
<v Speaker 1>in his chest next to his heart, and that's kind

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:54.839
<v Speaker 1>of like deadening his healing factor. So he cuts open

0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 1>his own chest and he reaches in he pulls it

0:51:56.520 --> 0:52:01.000
<v Speaker 1>out with his beards. Okay, he's so sick. He then

0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:04.319
<v Speaker 1>fights the Silver Samurai, who turns out to be Yeshidah

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 1>in an animantium suit like an Iron Man suit with

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:13.320
<v Speaker 1>this big sword. Yashidah cuts off Logan's adamantium clause and

0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm begin sucking the healing factor out of him and

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:18.360
<v Speaker 1>he becomes young. But then Logan kills him with the

0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 1>bone Claus and as he collapses near death, he has

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:25.360
<v Speaker 1>a vision of Gene, who just tells him, Logan, forget

0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>about how bad the last stand was. You're free, now,

0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>just go be free. I forgive you for killing me,

0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 1>and you know, don't worry because an even worst movie,

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>X Men Apocalypse is gonna come out in like two

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:39.200
<v Speaker 1>three years, and it's gonna be so so fucking bad.

0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Logan flies back to North America. Yes, Charles and Magnino

0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 1>meant him at the airport to warn him about a

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:50.400
<v Speaker 1>new human anti mutant weapon that they're putting together, and

0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that we ever really figure out what

0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:57.280
<v Speaker 1>that is. Your thoughts about twenty thirteen's The Wolverine heavily

0:52:57.400 --> 0:53:00.319
<v Speaker 1>influenced by Frank Miller's The Wolverine limited series.

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 4>I love Hiroyuki Sonata.

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I love to see him show up obviously now Emmy

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:08.440
<v Speaker 2>nominee Hiroyuki Sonata my bay from my favorite movie Message

0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:10.400
<v Speaker 2>from Space, which is a nineteen seventy.

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:13.120
<v Speaker 4>Eight Star Wars knockoff. I love him. It was nice

0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 4>to see him here.

0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 2>This movie is very important for one reason. James Mangol

0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:20.920
<v Speaker 2>made this movie. James Mangold made this movie, was obviously

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:27.759
<v Speaker 2>hindered by studio Shenanigans, and then would would get to

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 2>get a second chance and make Logan And I think

0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:33.880
<v Speaker 2>that is the main reason this movie is important.

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:36.719
<v Speaker 4>It's not as bad as I think people remember. I

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:38.520
<v Speaker 4>think it gets comed It's not that bad.

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:42.160
<v Speaker 2>It gets confused a lot with X origins, which is

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.080
<v Speaker 2>more of like a comedic failure. This is definitely leans

0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:49.640
<v Speaker 2>into a lot of like the action is really exciting,

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:52.719
<v Speaker 2>the silver Samurai's cool. But honestly, if you're drawing from

0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 2>a Frank Miller comic about Japan, you're probably gonna make

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 2>a movie that's pretty outdated, and this movie does feel

0:53:58.160 --> 0:53:59.360
<v Speaker 2>like pretty outdated.

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:02.360
<v Speaker 4>Is like a thin yah Marricar.

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:04.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what drives a different.

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Version of this movie where, especially if it's made nowadays,

0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:11.080
<v Speaker 2>especially if it's made post Shogun, Like really nowadays. I

0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:13.200
<v Speaker 2>hope we get to see a version of Marico where

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 2>she stands on her own two feet, where she is

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:18.120
<v Speaker 2>a powerful character, where we get more, we get to

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:19.720
<v Speaker 2>learn why she means so much to Logan.

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:22.359
<v Speaker 4>I would love that. Yeah, it's it's like very mid,

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:23.359
<v Speaker 4>very very mid.

0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that brings us to twenty seventeen's Logan, and we

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:32.320
<v Speaker 1>jump way ahead. We jump over a couple decades ahead

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 1>in the fictional chronology. It's now the year twenty twenty nine,

0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and mutants are getting real scarce. There's no new mutants

0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:44.200
<v Speaker 1>as far as anybody knows. I don't know how they're

0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:46.879
<v Speaker 1>keeping track of this, but no, no mutants have really

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:50.880
<v Speaker 1>appeared in the last twenty five years or so. Logan

0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.959
<v Speaker 1>is living out in Texas with Caliban and he's working

0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:56.360
<v Speaker 1>as a limo driver. They're both taking care of Charles,

0:54:56.440 --> 0:55:01.400
<v Speaker 1>who's early stages of dementia. He is really really not

0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:04.279
<v Speaker 1>doing well and in fact, like a year or two

0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.759
<v Speaker 1>years previously, it lost control of his powers, killed like

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:09.440
<v Speaker 1>six hundred people, including several.

0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:13.719
<v Speaker 4>Actions, Yeah, including basically like his whole like found family. Right.

0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 1>So he's living now, you know, out here in this

0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:20.719
<v Speaker 1>outpost in the in the Texas bad Lands and they

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:23.080
<v Speaker 1>keep him like in this room that you know, dead

0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, because he's.

0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Essentially had like he's essentially having like seizures that where

0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:30.560
<v Speaker 2>he loses control of his mutant powers, which is very

0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:34.560
<v Speaker 2>interesting because this is obviously this movie was actually nominated

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:38.960
<v Speaker 2>for an oscar as Best Adapted Screenplay because they said

0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:41.920
<v Speaker 2>it was adapted from Old Man Logan as Me and.

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Old Man Logan the limited ser wonderful limited series that

0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 1>features and an aged Logan in an alternate timeline trying

0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:52.520
<v Speaker 1>to free the United States from the grip of the

0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:56.239
<v Speaker 1>long victorious super villains led by the Rent.

0:55:56.400 --> 0:55:58.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's Mark Miller who will bring up again

0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:01.359
<v Speaker 2>here very you know, prominent in these X Men comic

0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:03.880
<v Speaker 2>adaptations and art by Steve mcnivven.

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 4>Like just legendary, wonderful, the wonderful, wonderful.

0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:10.399
<v Speaker 2>Steve mcnivvin so like, but interestingly, there are a lot

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 2>of changes from that material, which is kind.

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Of and I think for the best, definitely for the

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Best is a really I think.

0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 4>This is just such an incredible movie.

0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:21.279
<v Speaker 2>I actually went to this movie with my mom and

0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 2>she loved it, and after which she was like wanting

0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:26.759
<v Speaker 2>to have all these deep convos about it, and I was.

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Like, I mean, there's a lot of like Meditecht this movie,

0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:33.080
<v Speaker 1>but let's let's continue to recount quickly. So Logan's healing

0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:36.880
<v Speaker 1>factor after the events of everything we just talked about

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:39.560
<v Speaker 1>in all of these movies, not to mention him getting

0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:41.239
<v Speaker 1>his healing factor sucked out of him and having a

0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:45.560
<v Speaker 1>parasite in his heart. Yeah, in Wolverine, his healing factor

0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:48.120
<v Speaker 1>is like on one bar, like it's like, yeah, it's

0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:53.879
<v Speaker 1>fifteen effectiveness. But he does have his claws back, which

0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I guess here's my head canon for how this happened.

0:56:58.360 --> 0:56:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Magneto put him back on.

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:01.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, exactly. At some point magnet I was like,

0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:03.160
<v Speaker 4>I'll just do you a little favor.

0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll put it. Okay, So he's got his claws back.

0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:09.600
<v Speaker 1>No good answer for how this happened. However, Logan gets

0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:12.759
<v Speaker 1>roped into helping a young girl, Laura, who's on the

0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:17.560
<v Speaker 1>run from something reavers working for the evil Transigen Pharmaceutical

0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Corporation or pursuing them. Turns out Transigen, like many many

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:26.280
<v Speaker 1>other entities, including the US government, has been using mutants

0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and experiments trying to basically steal their powers to use

0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 1>as drugs, which is likely part of the reason that

0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:34.680
<v Speaker 1>MutS are very scarce. Logan finds and frees some of

0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the young mutant kids from transigen and eventually Logan defeats

0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:41.560
<v Speaker 1>a clone of himself named X twenty four Laura turns

0:57:41.600 --> 0:57:44.840
<v Speaker 1>out his X twenty three X twenty four kills Charles.

0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Laura says I love you, Logan, You're my dad, and

0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Logan says like, I love you too, and I'm dying,

0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:56.280
<v Speaker 1>but don't cry for me and don't become what I was,

0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 1>which was like a mindless killer with fragmented memories. And

0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:05.200
<v Speaker 1>now Hugh Jackman, with Logan dead, is free to play

0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 1>any other role he wants. He will never be asked

0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:16.080
<v Speaker 1>to play with again until twenty four Dead Full and Wolverine. Okay,

0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:18.800
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts about Logan, which is a fit.

0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:21.920
<v Speaker 4>I love this movie. It deserves to be OSCAR nominated.

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I will say one thing I do not love about

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 2>this movie that does need to be pointed out. Starts

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:29.760
<v Speaker 2>with Logan killing a bunch of Latino guys.

0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:31.959
<v Speaker 4>There is also a classic.

0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:33.280
<v Speaker 1>There, Aristelia's hubcaps to be found.

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:35.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, definitely.

0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 2>To get Then and then also there is a classic

0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Charles Xavier sequence here where they go and they stay

0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:47.440
<v Speaker 2>with a kindly family who in this movie are black,

0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:50.240
<v Speaker 2>and then that family gets completely murdered by X twenty four.

0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it is not there are thoughtful choices

0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.760
<v Speaker 2>that you can make. I think a lot about John Wick, right,

0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:58.480
<v Speaker 2>the first John Wick movie. The reason it stands out

0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and that we still have that franchise going strong now

0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:05.360
<v Speaker 2>is because they just chose to make the gangster's white.

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:08.560
<v Speaker 2>It's just him killing a bunch of Russian guys, right.

0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Nobody wants to see Peppermint. We saw what happened when

0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.160
<v Speaker 2>they made Peppermint. I just think that there's some choices, hey,

0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:15.760
<v Speaker 2>that could have been more thoughtful. But now I've got

0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:17.320
<v Speaker 2>that out the way. I will say this is a

0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:20.040
<v Speaker 2>very moving movie to me, Like I do love and

0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:23.479
<v Speaker 2>I love I love seeing the baby mutants. I love

0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:26.080
<v Speaker 2>That's what I wanted to see in a like New

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Mutants movie, you know, I want to see that.

0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 4>I love Charles, I love the idea of.

0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:33.200
<v Speaker 2>This utopia for mutants. I also thought it was very

0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 2>interesting that they kind of revealed that there's this GMO

0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:40.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of they've been putting something into the food, into

0:59:40.880 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 2>the processed food in America that stops the mutation.

0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:44.840
<v Speaker 4>I thought that was really interesting.

0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just I think generally this is like a

0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:49.440
<v Speaker 2>this is a solid like nine out of ten, and

0:59:49.600 --> 0:59:53.760
<v Speaker 2>my one point is removed for those like not good choices.

0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:56.280
<v Speaker 1>I want to add to your point, which I agree

0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:58.919
<v Speaker 1>with for all the reasons you mentioned, and I want

0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:02.760
<v Speaker 1>to I'll criticize as the decision, specifically the kind of

1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:08.040
<v Speaker 1>staying with the civilian farm family. My note in addition

1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:11.600
<v Speaker 1>to your note is that this happened in X Men origins.

1:00:11.600 --> 1:00:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Will read in that storyline, he is on the run.

1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:19.600
<v Speaker 1>He ends up with this nice couple farmer family, who

1:00:19.720 --> 1:00:21.920
<v Speaker 1>then he brings all this trouble down on them because

1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:24.120
<v Speaker 1>he is which by the way, the farmer is the

1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:27.480
<v Speaker 1>guy gives him a motorcycle and his classical so that's

1:00:27.520 --> 1:00:31.440
<v Speaker 1>where he gets that stuff. And now we're doing that again,

1:00:31.640 --> 1:00:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and so that's in part my annoyance is this is

1:00:34.040 --> 1:00:34.800
<v Speaker 1>a recycle.

1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Also, like they do, they have an interesting moment where

1:00:38.160 --> 1:00:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Logan's like, we should leave and he can kind of

1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:42.520
<v Speaker 2>feel that it's not a good idea, And you get

1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:44.640
<v Speaker 2>this moment from Charles by Charles is like, no, let's

1:00:44.640 --> 1:00:47.120
<v Speaker 2>stay there. Great, And I'm like, classic fucking Charles. He

1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:50.520
<v Speaker 2>doesn't care. He's always bringing problems on people. But generally,

1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:53.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean daph Nickina's Laura Kinney. You're talking about one

1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:55.880
<v Speaker 2>of the best child performances we've ever seen.

1:00:56.240 --> 1:00:57.560
<v Speaker 4>Like, she's so fantastic.

1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I love the little choices they made styleistically where she

1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:04.560
<v Speaker 2>steals the little sunglasses from the gas station, so you've

1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:08.800
<v Speaker 2>got her killing machine, but she's wearing these cute child sunglasses.

1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:14.000
<v Speaker 2>The Australian actor who plays the main reva is so good.

1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:18.680
<v Speaker 4>And so scary. Boyd boyd, Yeah, he's so good. I think.

1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:22.720
<v Speaker 2>I just think this is really a wonderful movie and

1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:25.520
<v Speaker 2>it is so good and it did deserve that Oscar nomination,

1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:28.120
<v Speaker 2>and I do think I agree. So there's a famous

1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:31.200
<v Speaker 2>quote that apparently Kevin Feigi told you Jackman, like, don't

1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:34.160
<v Speaker 2>come back because Logan's just so good, Like why would

1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:34.640
<v Speaker 2>you come back?

1:01:34.800 --> 1:01:37.360
<v Speaker 4>And obviously that a couple of changes, like a couple

1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:37.720
<v Speaker 4>of notes.

1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:39.440
<v Speaker 1>One thing I really love about this film, and I

1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:42.720
<v Speaker 1>think it's not talked about enough, is like obviously like

1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a grittier Retelling, but Mangold finds a way to make

1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:55.320
<v Speaker 1>the found family theme even more poignant and heartbreaking with

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<v Speaker 1>this surprising team up of Logan and Caliban, who we

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<v Speaker 1>less saw in X Men Apocalypse and is forced to

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<v Speaker 1>work as a tracker having to track down his friends

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<v Speaker 1>watching them care for Charles is so heartbreaking and also

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<v Speaker 1>Mangled found a way despite this like more grounded again,

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<v Speaker 1>almost like Batman begins kind of style retelling that seems

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<v Speaker 1>to esthetically reject the comics. He also found a way

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<v Speaker 1>to underline the importance of the comics and believing in

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of heroic thing with the addition of the

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<v Speaker 1>X Men comics being part of the story and having

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<v Speaker 1>clues for our heroes. I thought that that was woven

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<v Speaker 1>together in a really really effective way that I just

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<v Speaker 1>found really really resonant, and it was, Yeah, that's one of.

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<v Speaker 4>My favorite It was great.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually wrote an article about that when the movie

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<v Speaker 2>came out, because I was just like, it understands something

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<v Speaker 2>about comics as a mythology and kind of the employe

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<v Speaker 2>of storytelling and like the power of what it can do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was just yeah, I was just totally blown

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<v Speaker 2>away by that aspect of it. And I just think

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<v Speaker 2>it is in general, is like a real high point

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<v Speaker 2>for these kind of movies.

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<v Speaker 1>We like to end each episode with a selection of

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<v Speaker 1>fast moving segments. Today we are going to power rank

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<v Speaker 1>all of the X Men movies. Let's you are top

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<v Speaker 1>five X Men movies, Rosie, you go.

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<v Speaker 2>First, Okay, Logan is number one for me. Days of

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<v Speaker 2>Future Past is number two.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I'm going for the first X Men.

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<v Speaker 2>Movie because I really do love that one. Then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going for X two, and then First Class. That's my

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<v Speaker 2>personal top five.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's my top five Logan. Of course, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>with X two, and this is partially just because of

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<v Speaker 1>how stoked I was when that movie came out. My feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>my general feelings. Then X Men, Days of Future Past,

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<v Speaker 1>then X Men First Class, and then the first X

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<v Speaker 1>Men two thousands X Men film.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and here we go again. It's the cycle starts again, Rosie.

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<v Speaker 1>With the release of Deadpool at Wolverine, we've already made

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<v Speaker 1>our predictions to that, which is, we think that Deadpool

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<v Speaker 1>is going to just basically cauterize the X Men universe

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<v Speaker 1>with its insane, twisted cannon that we don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>real and what's not and will bring them fully into

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<v Speaker 1>the Marvel universe, selecting whatever best bits it wants. That's

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<v Speaker 1>it for this episode, Thanks for listening by.

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<v Speaker 3>X ray.

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