Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for every single Mutant movie,
Speaker 1: every single movie, every single Wolverine movie, all of them
Speaker 1: to be warned. Hello, my name is Jason Gazepcio and
Speaker 1: I am Rosie Knight, and welcome back to x ray
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, well, well, well, if you haven't been
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Speaker 2: is mine and jason shed hyperfixation. It is the X
Speaker 2: Man and we are recapping every single Fox x Man
Speaker 2: movie and covering what you need to remember going into
Speaker 2: that pool of Wolvere and most importantly, working out if
Speaker 2: any of it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's gonna be the big question.
Speaker 3: Of the night.
Speaker 2: And who's who We're gonna be ranking our top five
Speaker 2: X Men movies after we recap every single one.
Speaker 1: But first the X Men movies. Okay, I have just
Speaker 1: gotten done watching every single X Men movie in fictional
Speaker 1: chronological order, and that's how we will cover these and
Speaker 1: recap these films, try and figure out what's canon, what's not,
Speaker 1: what is the canon, how does it work? And I
Speaker 1: can't wait to get started, Rosie. Are you ready?
Speaker 4: Oh baby, I'm ready.
Speaker 5: This is it's all been laid into this my whole life.
Speaker 1: First up, twenty eleven's X Men First Class. I think
Speaker 1: one of the best. It's got its problem, does it,
Speaker 1: But I think one of the spot But I think
Speaker 1: one of the best mutant movies that we have. In
Speaker 1: the early nineteen sixties, Charles Xavier a groovy. He actually says, oh,
Speaker 1: gvy baby, he's grooving.
Speaker 4: This is as.
Speaker 1: Yes, a Austin Powers esque version of Charles Xavier. He is,
Speaker 1: of course a rich kid. He joins forces with Nazi
Speaker 1: hunter Eric Lencher and CIA agent.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's happened.
Speaker 1: To recruit the very first version of the X Men.
Speaker 1: They do ask Logan to join.
Speaker 4: He declined what he was up to He was busy.
Speaker 1: He was like getting ready to go to Vietnam at
Speaker 1: this period.
Speaker 4: That later more on that like.
Speaker 1: Opposing them is apparently x Nazi Sebastian Shaw of the
Speaker 1: hell Fire.
Speaker 4: Think why would you do?
Speaker 1: Woh and his and his brotherhood of evil mutants so
Speaker 1: though he does not call them. Shaw wants to start
Speaker 1: World War three so that all the humans will die
Speaker 1: and that radiation poisoning will jump start mutant hegemony. The
Speaker 1: X Men of course stop them during the Cuban Missile crisis,
Speaker 1: of course, and Magneto takes revenge on Shaw who killed
Speaker 1: his family. Yeah, but Charles and Eric's partnership is fatally
Speaker 1: torn apart and Charles is left sadly paralyzed. Also, we
Speaker 1: get the reveal that Magneto's helmet was originally Sebastian Shaw's
Speaker 1: and he just took it. Your thoughts about X Men
Speaker 1: first class?
Speaker 2: Okay, best of all, justice for Darwin. We all know
Speaker 2: that's the worst part movie. Also, things that are fantastic
Speaker 2: about this movie James McAvoy and Michael He's great Goose
Speaker 2: two together they got the chemistry that set off a
Speaker 2: whole new era of Charles Magneto shipping. I love that
Speaker 2: Charles is very dumb in this movie.
Speaker 4: He does not train the X Men. Also, he just gay.
Speaker 1: They just send them in like.
Speaker 2: It's a Cuban missile, just like go in r Ipter. Darwin,
Speaker 2: as I said, should never have died. Havoc loved to
Speaker 2: see him, read to see him. I'd love to see
Speaker 2: him here. He will reappear in these movies as they
Speaker 2: go on with a funny pillow up his shirt to
Speaker 2: show that he's gotten older things. I still annoy me
Speaker 2: about this movie, Mystique, Why why is she like going
Speaker 2: to Charles's house Like she's like an Oliver Twist orphan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a little sheep shooting Oliver Twist.
Speaker 6: I did some foods a cheese and he's just like
Speaker 6: he's just like, yes, you may live with me.
Speaker 4: Now you are you could see yes.
Speaker 2: You can take you are my m rich Yes, funny
Speaker 2: to see Azazel here because it's like is he meant?
Speaker 4: We didn't know at the time when we were like okay,
Speaker 4: so is he not?
Speaker 2: Cooler's dad also, like Mystique say, like, what's going on there?
Speaker 4: Obviously have to say yeah.
Speaker 1: Of course they'll have to have to mention Azazel. In
Speaker 1: the comics, I think he came out like the two thousands,
Speaker 1: sometimes like two thousand and tens. He had his origin
Speaker 1: and then was in Cannon Nightcrawler's Dad until like this
Speaker 1: year changed very recently, but when it came out, we
Speaker 1: were like.
Speaker 2: Also so other things that I thought good about this movie.
Speaker 2: That always make me go like, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: can't believe they did that. The origin of Charles's paralysis
Speaker 2: where it's like during the Cube stopping the Cuba missile crisis,
Speaker 2: Magneto accidentally set a bullet to Charles's back and then
Speaker 2: he and they're holding each.
Speaker 4: Other and he's like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: I was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Like to me, I will say that this is actually
Speaker 2: like I do think at the time, I was like
Speaker 2: so blown away by it.
Speaker 4: But this has been.
Speaker 2: Trumped in my favorite when I look back of the
Speaker 2: best ones actually by the one that we'll talk about next.
Speaker 4: But it is still up there, very it is. It
Speaker 4: is still it's very, very good.
Speaker 2: But the times I think something we have to say
Speaker 2: is at the time this was like revolutionary post x three,
Speaker 2: we didn't know what's happening.
Speaker 1: My expectations were nil below the ground. Yeah, we're nothing.
Speaker 1: I did not think First Class would be good, and
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: And at the time there was kind of this talk
Speaker 2: of Mark Miller was gonna the comics creator, was gonna
Speaker 2: come and take over the Fox movies. Matthew Vaughnis, his
Speaker 2: friend Matthew Vaughan wrote and directed this with the help
Speaker 2: of some other people. So this was definitely like felt
Speaker 2: like it could be a restart for the franchise. And
Speaker 2: also there's just some funny stuff here where you can
Speaker 2: really tell they're trying to take from the MCU, like
Speaker 2: the Origin of Cerebro where it's like.
Speaker 4: It's so grounded and real. No it's not, it's not.
Speaker 4: Come on.
Speaker 1: Also, I gotta say I'm annoyed that Magneto stole his
Speaker 1: helmet from Sebastian show. I don't love that so silly.
Speaker 1: I think that's really really fucking silly. And it would
Speaker 1: have been much cooler if Magneto, even though he was
Speaker 1: ostensibly allies and kind of friends with Charles.
Speaker 4: No, it makes sense that he would have made something
Speaker 4: to protect him, made it.
Speaker 1: On his own, just to be like, say the funk
Speaker 1: out of it.
Speaker 2: Also, Superducer Joe rightfully was like Darwin, some people might
Speaker 2: not know why you're mad about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, dollar, Okay, so let's yeah, please explain. So Darwin
Speaker 1: can't die.
Speaker 4: Power literally his whole power.
Speaker 1: He evolved old Darwin because he evolves, right, So if
Speaker 1: you confront him with heat, he will immediately instantly evolve
Speaker 1: a resistance to that up to any level, right, because
Speaker 1: who knows what the kind of evolution, what kind of
Speaker 1: course it would take in his mutation. And so if
Speaker 1: you as you saw in the movie, if you put
Speaker 1: his head underwater, he will he will grow.
Speaker 5: Gills, like you can't kill he is unkillable, and then
Speaker 5: he shouldn't be costing someone like Eddie get Daggy is
Speaker 5: such a great actor, and you're like, this is so cool.
Speaker 2: This is someone who's been in you know, The Brising
Speaker 2: Full of sim Wahulk, Messiah Complex, Secret Invasion, He's been
Speaker 2: on X Factor.
Speaker 4: This man he was in dorn of X, the recent stuff.
Speaker 2: He is like a legendary character who can always recur
Speaker 2: and be around, and they just killed him off and
Speaker 2: he was a black character in a movie which which made.
Speaker 4: It feel really bad, like not great, really.
Speaker 2: Bad And also like that is one of the recurring
Speaker 2: issues that people have with this movie, which is wild
Speaker 2: still very.
Speaker 4: Well thought of. Everyone is always thinking about justice pause
Speaker 4: that as we.
Speaker 1: Go forward, one recurring theme will be even the best
Speaker 1: X movies, there's no perfect exa no, no, Like the
Speaker 1: best X movie probably doesn't rise to the level of
Speaker 1: the five or seven best.
Speaker 4: Consistency and the thoughtfulness.
Speaker 2: Because also something I've watched First Class so many times now,
Speaker 2: like definitely in the double digits. And something else that
Speaker 2: kind of comes to is like they do the thing
Speaker 2: where like the characters that join Magneto to be on
Speaker 2: his like bad team, you get like the characters of
Speaker 2: Color go over there always and you're always just like
Speaker 2: could have been a bit more fully because pixy joints.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also I love Zoe Kravitz, but like interesting, like there's
Speaker 2: just so many choices that where it's like the character
Speaker 2: is supposed to be like this really normal looking woman
Speaker 2: and then you cast like the most beautiful woman of
Speaker 2: the who.
Speaker 1: By the way, gives a inert performance as even a
Speaker 1: lot to go with, not given a lot why she
Speaker 1: switches sides? Don't you don't ever feel it? That should
Speaker 1: be a big moment. So really good movie but imperfect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that brings us to our next movie, twenty fourteenths
Speaker 1: X Men Days of Future Past. To avoid a dystopian
Speaker 1: future twenty first century, Wolverine and the scraps of the
Speaker 1: X Men concoct a mission to send Logan's mind back
Speaker 1: into his body in the year nineteen seventy three, the
Speaker 1: year the Knicks last one an NBA time, especially for
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's why they picked that
Speaker 1: is in prison for killing JFK. Spoiler, he did not
Speaker 1: kill JFK, who was a mutant. He was trying to
Speaker 1: protect JFK.
Speaker 4: A fucking think about this all the time. Charles is like,
Speaker 4: this is it.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, forget the fact that you paralyzed me,
Speaker 2: like whatever else. He's like, I'm upset because how could
Speaker 2: you do it?
Speaker 4: How could you do it?
Speaker 1: Eric?
Speaker 6: And he killed and Charles I was trying to stop
Speaker 6: the bullet. And he looks and he goes, he was
Speaker 6: one of us, Charles, Charles.
Speaker 1: His mutation was an ability to endlessly cheat on his wife. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could have endless affairs, Charles. It was amazing, all right.
Speaker 1: So free Magneto. We must say that Logan, with the
Speaker 1: help of Charles, no longer in a wheelchair because he's
Speaker 1: taking wonder drugs that give him the use of his
Speaker 1: legs back, but dead in his psychic ability.
Speaker 4: Actually quite an interesting like rinkle like a.
Speaker 1: Beast. And Magneto's son Quicksilver go and free Magneto from
Speaker 1: prison in a set piece that I think is one
Speaker 1: of the best set pieces in.
Speaker 4: All the best in the MCU too. That specific so good.
Speaker 1: It's just wonderful, wonder wonderful. Quicksilver then leaves the scene,
Speaker 1: but now together the X Men plus Magneto stop Mystique,
Speaker 1: now leading her own team from assassinating ball Over Trask,
Speaker 1: who is the creator of the Sentinels. This stops the
Speaker 1: Sentinel project. Trash goes to prison and the timeline is altered,
Speaker 1: allowing the Xavier School for Gifted Children to flourish through
Speaker 1: the eighties, nineties, and two thousand's. Magneto decides to run
Speaker 1: away to live in Poland, and then the Stinger is
Speaker 1: We see Apocalypse, his power rising back in the days
Speaker 1: of H and E. We watch him build the Pyramids.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts about X Men, Ok, he's a future past.
Speaker 1: I think this is a really hard film story wise
Speaker 1: to pull off, and I think they did a really
Speaker 1: good Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I was when I first saw this movie, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, justice for Katy Pride, because you know
Speaker 2: it's Kitty who goes back in the original stories.
Speaker 4: And but I will say I actually think this movie
Speaker 4: holds up very well.
Speaker 2: I love the opening where we get they do like
Speaker 2: a cold open where every X men gets killed, which
Speaker 2: I think is really cool. You also get in this
Speaker 2: Bishop love to see him blink. You get some really
Speaker 2: cool X Men. You also get to see this kind
Speaker 2: of future version of Magneto and Charles where they've come
Speaker 2: back together as a team to kind of help.
Speaker 4: I like the jeweling timelines.
Speaker 2: I do think that Evan Peters is, like legit a
Speaker 2: fantastic casting for Quicksilver, and I so bree that the
Speaker 2: MCU was harmed by this representation because their representation was
Speaker 2: not equal or near equal, even though.
Speaker 1: I am Aaron Taylor, Aaron Taylor, John's I'm gonn Aaron
Speaker 1: Taylor has super speed but could not avoid the bullets
Speaker 1: exactly and then gets got.
Speaker 4: And if you haven't seen this sequence, just go on
Speaker 4: YouTube and watch it.
Speaker 2: It's a sequence where Quicksilver goes around a kind of
Speaker 2: kitchen in the prison and changes everything so that.
Speaker 1: To the tune of Jim Croche's Time in a Bottle.
Speaker 4: Which is also one of the best needle drops. And
Speaker 4: it's just one or such a fun scene.
Speaker 2: They have a lot of fun playing with the idea
Speaker 2: that this is Magneto's son, and this kind of like
Speaker 2: implications but not like the two of them kind of
Speaker 2: realizing but not wanting.
Speaker 4: To deal with it. I thought it was great, but
Speaker 4: I still enjoy this movie. This has high rewatchability factor.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I think the dueling timeliness pulled off
Speaker 1: really really well, adds a lot of tension to the story.
Speaker 1: It's just fantastic. One more note, it features a cameo
Speaker 1: by Chris Claire. Yes any opening congressional hearing scene, and
Speaker 1: he has a line which is wild, So that is fun.
Speaker 2: They can I think that that might be a couple
Speaker 2: of other little comic book creators in that too. I
Speaker 2: think they put together a little a little rost, so
Speaker 2: that's always nice to see.
Speaker 1: Another thing we're going to try and unwrap is to
Speaker 1: continue this podcast, which requires us to run ads. Here's
Speaker 1: one right now, Yeah, okay, we're back. So that takes
Speaker 1: us through the early nineteen seventies history of Charles Xavier
Speaker 1: and the X Men and Wolverine. We should note that
Speaker 1: during the course of this movie, Charles stops taking his
Speaker 1: legs drug and thus develops his psychic powers back, and
Speaker 1: that brings us to two thousand and nines X Men
Speaker 1: origins V We open it like different in the late
Speaker 1: nineteenth century. Yes, we open in the late nineteenth century
Speaker 1: early twentieth century or thereabouts, where a young mutant named
Speaker 1: Logan runs away from his abusive family with a weird
Speaker 1: older kid named Victor Creed, also a mutant. We discover
Speaker 1: they then go on to fight in every single war
Speaker 1: up to Vietnam. Shouts to Logan and Victor Creed for
Speaker 1: fighting for the North during the Civil War.
Speaker 4: Very happy to see that.
Speaker 1: In the late seventies where they've been held in the
Speaker 1: brig apparently because of their actions during the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1: They're just hard to control, these two. They are then
Speaker 1: recruited by WILLIAMS. Stryker, who's putting together a top team
Speaker 1: of the world's best killers called the WEAPONEX Project. That
Speaker 1: project includes a young pre Deadpool Wilson played by Ryan Reynolds,
Speaker 1: who is honestly the bright point of this movie. Like
Speaker 1: his little dialogue parts when they're like going on flyo
Speaker 1: off to missions, Logan eventually gets tired. The year is
Speaker 1: now like nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine. Logan eventually gets
Speaker 1: tired of just like murdering people around the world for
Speaker 1: William Striker, so he quits. He moves to Canada, where
Speaker 1: he falls in love with the mutant Silver Fox. Although
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like obvious that she's a mutant.
Speaker 4: Butted and suggested, yeah, it's employed.
Speaker 1: He falls in love with Silver Fox, who is a
Speaker 1: school teacher. Sabertooth then kills Silver Fox to get revenge.
Speaker 1: Logan lets Striker lace his body without Americaan so that
Speaker 1: he can do this crazy idea so that he can
Speaker 1: get rid of Victor once and for all. But then
Speaker 1: he finds out that actually Silver Fox is alive and
Speaker 1: that Victor Creed faked her death. Meanwhile, Logan and Victor
Speaker 1: Creed team up to take out the super Weapon X
Speaker 1: Ultimate Product, Deadpool, who has all the powers of various
Speaker 1: young mutants, including Scott Summer's I Beams and the Healing Factor,
Speaker 1: and he can teleport like either Blinker Nightcrawler. And the end,
Speaker 1: Striker shoots Logan in the head with an adamantium bullet
Speaker 1: and this causes him to forget All his memories are
Speaker 1: shattered and he doesn't remember anything that he's ever done.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts about this movie be ranged unhinged movie raged.
Speaker 2: I love it. I do watch this movie like a
Speaker 2: lot because it's actually it's also it's mos hilarious.
Speaker 1: That is very funny. It's really funny funny.
Speaker 2: There is a legendary scene in this movie, a legendary
Speaker 2: in my house at least, but where Wolverine like he's
Speaker 2: first getting the clause and he's like he's like running
Speaker 2: around and he ends up in like these people's bond
Speaker 2: and they're like, you can stay in our house, and
Speaker 2: then he's like chopping.
Speaker 4: Up the sing and just like so many comedic moments.
Speaker 2: And I do think sometimes they were trying to be comedic,
Speaker 2: but sometimes they definitely weren't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just absolutely wild that.
Speaker 2: This was the route that they went, because you've got
Speaker 2: to remember, at this point in time when they made
Speaker 2: this movie, Wolverine is like the big seller of every
Speaker 2: x Men movie. He's the big seller in all the comics.
Speaker 2: A Wolverine movie, you would expect it to make a
Speaker 2: lot of money. This movie did make a lot of money,
Speaker 2: though it was not critically acclaimed, it did not have
Speaker 2: like a great legacy. But it's just hilarious because when
Speaker 2: you rewatch it, you're like guys, there's like fifty million
Speaker 2: stories you could have done, and this is what you did.
Speaker 2: Must shout out that something that we were all shocked
Speaker 2: about and has been giving us much joy. That Aaron,
Speaker 2: our super producer, told us Troy sevon is young logan.
Speaker 1: That's I mean crazy stuff to look back and see
Speaker 1: that that was pointed out to Aaron. You know what.
Speaker 4: Other Yeah, yeah, Taylor Kitch as Gambit.
Speaker 1: I want to say. Other notes. One thing that I
Speaker 1: noted from watching all of these movies is you can
Speaker 1: really date them by the casting. So for instance, Days
Speaker 1: of Future Pa, you knew the Game of Thrones was
Speaker 1: popping because Peter dinkla is bolevard test exactly. And then
Speaker 1: here we are. You know that Friday Night Lights was
Speaker 1: hitting on all cylinders because there is our guy, Taylor Kitsch,
Speaker 1: who you know, Hollywood was thinking, is this guy movie?
Speaker 1: This guy, let's see, Let's put him gambit, Let's put
Speaker 1: him as gambit. Let's put him in the adaptation of
Speaker 1: the sci fi classic John Carter, which bombed spectacularly, thus
Speaker 1: ending Taylor Kitch's run as a potential movie star. Also,
Speaker 1: we should note that David Harbor, Yeah, Stranger Things fame
Speaker 1: auditioned for the role of the Blob, but was turned down,
Speaker 1: apparently according to him, for being too fat, which is
Speaker 1: crazy because.
Speaker 4: Like Derange, again, the character is on the edge of
Speaker 4: twenty ten.
Speaker 1: What are we doing?
Speaker 4: We go to make him less fat? He's the blow
Speaker 4: up and it's like, no, dude, higher this guy.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I'm glad David hob wasn't in
Speaker 2: this movie because it probably would have been very hard
Speaker 2: for him to get costs in Stranger Things and have
Speaker 2: the career that he did have.
Speaker 4: Also, will I am in this movie?
Speaker 1: Will this is another thing? This was the period when
Speaker 1: we were like, kid, will I be a belief? We
Speaker 1: weren't sure.
Speaker 4: Also were not sure about it.
Speaker 2: I also just like the sweet guy from Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings who's in this whose power is to like
Speaker 2: turn on light bulb.
Speaker 4: They were really trying some stuff in.
Speaker 1: They were sure, Yes, Mary is in this?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was it Pip or Mary? Mary trying to Yes, He's
Speaker 1: like a con eventually ends up as a Carney. Other notes,
Speaker 1: Silver Fox, Yes, one of Logan's true loves throughout his
Speaker 1: comics arc, has a crazy comics continuity as crazy as
Speaker 1: these movies, some of which is reflected in the film,
Speaker 1: so she was a Native American woman who loved Logan
Speaker 1: in the early twentieth centuries. In the comics, she is
Speaker 1: in the classical sense fridged by yes, and it's just
Speaker 1: an absolute from the book definition of a fridging by Sabretooth.
Speaker 1: Beginning Sabertooth's longtime feud with Wolverine. She later shows up
Speaker 1: as a CIA assassin who then flips sides and joins
Speaker 1: Hydra and then resurfaces as part of the Weapon X program,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't remember Logan, And I think there's no
Speaker 1: canon explanation for any of this, But I think the
Speaker 1: thing that's suggested is that the second Silver Fox who
Speaker 1: shows up as a member of WEAPONX and doesn't remember
Speaker 1: Logan is like an impostor who has been brainwashing to
Speaker 1: thinking that she's Silver Fox. But like, how would they
Speaker 1: know about Silver Fox? Specific doesn't make it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: That's a great point about Logan's cannon, because so much
Speaker 2: of the Wolverine canon is just like this person hated
Speaker 2: Wolverine and wanted to torture him mentally, like that.
Speaker 4: Happens throughout his life.
Speaker 2: Also, fantastic catch here by one of our super Producers,
Speaker 2: which is Lynn Collins, who played silver Fox was also
Speaker 2: in John Carpentah, I mean John Cottza, not John Carpenter.
Speaker 2: I would love to see that movie. But John coppinher
Speaker 2: Oh my god, John Carter, the movie that Taylor Kitch's
Speaker 2: career was ended on. But I will say in the
Speaker 2: film critic community, I'm not a John Carpenter. I'm not
Speaker 2: I am a Junk Carpenter Superstan. I am not a
Speaker 2: johnk Ktastan.
Speaker 4: But i will say some people they like that movie now,
Speaker 4: they're saying give it every watch.
Speaker 1: So I'm just it's it's okay. They were trying something,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, trying something.
Speaker 2: But yes, this film is obviously technically Deadpool's origin. It
Speaker 2: was very hated at the time, the whole idea of
Speaker 2: the muck with the mouth.
Speaker 1: I think, for right now, let's pretend it is, and
Speaker 1: we will we'll talk about it, and we will try
Speaker 1: and figure it, will try and unwrap all of that eathetically.
Speaker 1: Now let's just quickly update where we are canonically. So, uh,
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier and Magneto have at this point like put
Speaker 1: together a couple versions of X Men teams and then
Speaker 1: broke up already Wolverine has is out there in the world, and.
Speaker 4: He rejected them.
Speaker 1: Charles Charles end Magneto both know about him, but he
Speaker 1: rejected them. Went on to fight at Vietnam because he again,
Speaker 1: he fought in every single American war apparently, and now
Speaker 1: is wandering around in the eighties without his memory because
Speaker 1: he gets shot in the head with an Adamantian bullet.
Speaker 1: He will later, you know, wander apparently up north called
Speaker 1: again to the northern border where he is doing cage matches,
Speaker 1: and this brings us to X Men. Apocalypse twenty sixteen's
Speaker 1: absolute fucking stinker, and I gotta say this movie is
Speaker 1: the worst and it's also one of the worst collorbook
Speaker 1: movies that's ever happened. Apocalypse played by the wonderful Oscar Isaacs.
Speaker 4: That seems like an absolutely like Wow, you killed it
Speaker 4: costing can't wait to see that, you can't wait.
Speaker 1: He is prone to insane speechifying. He's also wearing like
Speaker 1: the ugliest makeup ever. I will now do recap of this.
Speaker 1: So we're back in ancient Egypt where super mutant Apocalypse
Speaker 1: is about to have his mind transferred into a younger,
Speaker 1: hotter body. This guy can do everything. He's got incredible powers.
Speaker 1: He can build the pyramids, he can't grow himself huge,
Speaker 1: he's got super strength. He can like make people dissolve.
Speaker 1: The only thing he can't do stop aging. The guy's
Speaker 1: getting old old, so he needs a young body. And
Speaker 1: the only thing is every time he tries to switch
Speaker 1: into that young body, he's very vulnerable. So the people
Speaker 1: of Egypt take the opportunity to betray him and en
Speaker 1: sabaur Aka Apocalypse ends up trapped under the pancaked nine
Speaker 1: to eleven rubble of his great Pyramid, where he remains
Speaker 1: for five thousand years. Fast forward to nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: New mutants are emerging across the world. Havoc enrolls his
Speaker 1: other cyclops at Xavier's school, Mystique recruits Nightcrawler. Also Angel
Speaker 1: is around. Angel's Apocalypse comes back because like a cult
Speaker 1: awakens him and also Moimrick Taggart is there and he reawakens.
Speaker 4: Why is she there? The buckets look killing.
Speaker 1: He comes back and it's so funny watching him wander
Speaker 1: the streets of Eliot's Cairo just being a fucking super weirdo.
Speaker 1: He watches TV for twenty minutes and then decides, you
Speaker 1: know what, this world is fucking soft, Like I'm tea,
Speaker 1: this is dumb.
Speaker 4: I watched twenty minutes of TV and I'm like, this
Speaker 4: is just the worst.
Speaker 1: He recruits his new four horsemen, including Storm and Magneto,
Speaker 1: whose family were all murdered in Poland.
Speaker 2: Again and actually like again, I will say in one
Speaker 2: of the best sequences from this movie is when you
Speaker 2: get to see Magnio what Magneo has.
Speaker 1: Been up to, and he tried to live a simple
Speaker 1: life and they just wouldn't. Let Rosie, let me ask
Speaker 1: you about this, Let me ask a about this. Where's
Speaker 1: this depth of warm feelings and love for your other family,
Speaker 1: including your son Quicksilver Cat and the woman who you
Speaker 1: had a relationship for a time and is his mother,
Speaker 1: that you can't raise those.
Speaker 4: Kids he had to go to Poland. Stoutney family. We're
Speaker 4: always trying.
Speaker 1: Storm and Magneto eventually switch sides because fucking Apocalypse is
Speaker 1: crazy and prone to saying shit like this play the clip.
Speaker 3: Always the same. Now all this no more stones, no
Speaker 3: more spears, no more slings, no more sauces.
Speaker 1: Sisting, no more super power.
Speaker 4: So that's a Partlympse. He's doing that he's doing that
Speaker 4: kind of shit alway.
Speaker 1: He's doing it all the fucking time. Also, Tower of
Speaker 1: Babel is like a biblical story, and he was buried
Speaker 1: like three thousand years before the Bible, Like what the how?
Speaker 4: Also, as whatever, I.
Speaker 1: Guess that was in the twenty minutes of TV he
Speaker 1: watched he got that information.
Speaker 2: The music is so outrageous in this sequence too, like
Speaker 2: and everyone else plays it so serious, like all these
Speaker 2: people around the world like they're in like the hunt
Speaker 2: for Red October or something.
Speaker 4: They're like, who's turning the keys? It's like, I'll tell
Speaker 4: you who.
Speaker 2: It's apocalypse with his mind. I guess that seems like
Speaker 2: he could be doing other things with that power. Also,
Speaker 2: I feel like he didn't think this through. I feel
Speaker 2: like just putting nukes in space is a bad idea,
Speaker 2: gonna end badly for everyone. Also, this movie does include
Speaker 2: one of my all time Hollywood favorite tropes, which is
Speaker 2: when they give an origin story for something that never
Speaker 2: needed an origin story. This is maybe only beaten by
Speaker 2: the second bar Ro movie that Kenneth Browna made, where
Speaker 2: they give an origin for his mustache. But in this movie,
Speaker 2: they legitimately give an origin story to Charles Xavier going bold.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I'm getting to this. Let me get
Speaker 1: to this. So Magneto and Storm flip sides because they're
Speaker 1: just like, I can't stand listening to this guy so boring.
Speaker 1: He just keeps talking and talking and talking. So Gene
Speaker 1: levels up her powers to Phoenix kind of sure region,
Speaker 1: Charles fights Apocalypse on the astral plane, and the big
Speaker 1: guys went.
Speaker 4: But sadly done.
Speaker 1: Sadly Apocalypse has baldified Charles over his fucking careful now
Speaker 1: never ever be the same.
Speaker 4: It tasfles out and you are just like, wow, this it's.
Speaker 1: All gone, dude. Every follicle is gone, gone, gone, gone
Speaker 1: with it, or the last vestiges of like Austin Powers
Speaker 1: esque Riz no.
Speaker 2: Hardhead and he's gone all these young students, but it's
Speaker 2: never happened in FAM.
Speaker 4: Now there's a justice students.
Speaker 1: That's Mando is offered an opportunity to teach you the school.
Speaker 1: He declines, and that is x amount Apocalypse that takes
Speaker 1: us up through the early eighties. One thing I want
Speaker 1: to mention that you mentioned origin stories. This movie is
Speaker 1: really really bad. The Apocalypse stuff is like funny bad
Speaker 1: because I think this movie is also like Apocalypse is
Speaker 1: so deadly Shakespearean like serious, like he's serious all the
Speaker 1: time and it makes him really funny. But also very
Speaker 1: clearly this movie was influenced by the MC which was
Speaker 1: riding oh high high it could possibly at the time,
Speaker 1: and so they added like a lot of humor that
Speaker 1: just falls extremely flat all throughout the movie. And then
Speaker 1: there's problematic aspects like, for instance, the way that Apocalypse
Speaker 1: recruits Magneto is he takes him to Auschwitz and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: remember this, Yeah.
Speaker 4: He's he's like, remember when your parents were murdered? Why
Speaker 4: don't you just get really angry now? And just like
Speaker 4: remember the wholes that's fucked up.
Speaker 2: And also as well, like you're talking about, you're reintroducing
Speaker 2: like a character like Storm, who's like such an iconic legend.
Speaker 4: And she's like a pace. They don't know what to
Speaker 4: do with her. They don't do a good job.
Speaker 2: Also, you have Angel who's like fighting in these crazy
Speaker 2: like fight clubs in Berlin. It's like he's at Bergen,
Speaker 2: which I will say hilarious as an English person because
Speaker 2: that kid was most well known for being in like
Speaker 2: a British soap opera called Coronation Street or EastEnders. I
Speaker 2: think he's in EastEnders. So it's like seeing someone from
Speaker 2: like Days of Our Lives turn up in an X
Speaker 2: Men movie. So I will say something really funny about
Speaker 2: this that I now see was a It was like
Speaker 2: a noell A death.
Speaker 6: Now more stone steps.
Speaker 4: He's just like, that's not this is a nuclear bomb.
Speaker 4: It's a different thing. But yeah.
Speaker 2: Like also, they came to the comic book shop that
Speaker 2: I worked in at the time and they were like, oh.
Speaker 4: Do you want tickets to go and see this movie?
Speaker 2: And it was just to the premiere, so you know
Speaker 2: that they were really struggling when they were like, you
Speaker 2: guys can just come and like try.
Speaker 4: This out, just like see how it is.
Speaker 2: I will say, in the cinema there was a couple
Speaker 2: of cool like crazy is interesting, but yeah, terrible movie,
Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous. And the fact that Apocalypse is like biggest
Speaker 2: impact here is that he like makes Charles go bold
Speaker 2: is like so fucking funny Charles he bought and also
Speaker 2: as well, I just want to say this is especially
Speaker 2: painful because Age of Apocalypse is like seen as one
Speaker 2: of the best eras in Marvel Comics and Marvel X men,
Speaker 2: so to adapt it so badly, you just know it's
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Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. That brings us up to twenty nineteen's
Speaker 1: Dark Phoenix.
Speaker 4: Really, I'm saying this movie going down might be worse
Speaker 4: than Age of Apocalypse.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's slightly better, but it's still I mean,
Speaker 1: plot wise, there's definitely higher points in this higher I
Speaker 1: think it's not a worst plot, but is a slightly
Speaker 1: better mind.
Speaker 4: I enjoy it because of the representation of Charles Hill.
Speaker 4: I feel like is finally the.
Speaker 1: Year is nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 2: Away, Can I just say everyone on Earth has wanted
Speaker 2: a nineteen ninety two x ME movie because that is
Speaker 2: when the cartoon was set. Everyone wants this to be
Speaker 2: a neon fun They're going to the move. No, this
Speaker 2: is the most bland ass looking movie that you could
Speaker 2: ever imagine. They did the most boring version of the nineties.
Speaker 2: It's actually offensive.
Speaker 1: So it's nineteen ninety two. The psychic barriers Charles placed
Speaker 1: on Gena keep her mutant powers from going absolutely fucking
Speaker 1: crazy pants Phoenix level have failed.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't have done that, by the way, that's a classic
Speaker 2: Charles's mistake, kit don't be yes.
Speaker 1: She is asked to like save a space shuttle, and
Speaker 1: she does it, but this awakens the powers and also
Speaker 1: merges them with some sort of cosmic energies, and things
Speaker 1: are going bad. Jane kills Mystique uh oh, freeing Jennifer
Speaker 1: Lawrence from her prison of the playing Mystique then flees
Speaker 1: to the mutant refuge run by Magneto.
Speaker 4: Interesting aliens, but they're not Jason.
Speaker 1: Obviously on that. So aliens drawn by this burst of
Speaker 1: cosmic energy come to Earth. They tell Jane that she
Speaker 1: has absorbed the Phoenix Force, which they want so they
Speaker 1: can conquer Earth. Gene eventually kills all the aliens, but
Speaker 1: is consumed herself by the Phoenix Force and she dies.
Speaker 1: Hank takes over the school, which is renamed after Jane,
Speaker 1: while Charles and Magneto play chess in Paris Your Thought,
Speaker 1: Dark Phoenix.
Speaker 4: I my my most resounding memory of this movie, right
Speaker 4: is one.
Speaker 2: I think they put Dazzler in it, and Dazzla's that
Speaker 2: and she's like in it for like two seconds.
Speaker 4: Modern Dazzla she's not disco.
Speaker 2: Second, Charles is like arrogant, kind of half evil Charles
Speaker 2: in this where he like just.
Speaker 1: Well he's been bald and he's been balding and and he's.
Speaker 2: Like leaving the kids alone to just like go and
Speaker 2: go and get like an award for being such a
Speaker 2: great guy.
Speaker 4: I thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: But my most read a sounding memory is I saw
Speaker 2: this in Century City AMC in the Westfield, which is
Speaker 2: where many of these pre screenings happened. And no joke,
Speaker 2: the last forty five minutes of the movie, we were
Speaker 2: locked in to the screen and there was alarms going
Speaker 2: off and flashing by, and we were all like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, what is going on? And were they wouldn't
Speaker 2: last lea if we're watching the movie. At first we
Speaker 2: thought it was part of the movie, then we realized
Speaker 2: it wasn't, and eventually it was just like someone had leaned.
Speaker 4: On the fire alarm door. But we were all like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, we're gonna die, like what's happening.
Speaker 2: So that's really And then the next day they emailed
Speaker 2: us and they were like, guys, we're so sorry, Like
Speaker 2: you can come if you want, you can come to
Speaker 2: the premiere at the TCL Chinese there and everyone went.
Speaker 4: Nah, I nobody wanted to go to the premiere of
Speaker 4: that movie. So that's my resounding bad times, bad times at.
Speaker 1: The Bad Child's Bad movie that I just think, like the.
Speaker 2: Fact I'm sorry to I don't like to personally point
Speaker 2: out somebody's failings, but like the fact that they got
Speaker 2: the same person who made X three and fucked up
Speaker 2: the Phoenix Saga in that to come back and once
Speaker 2: again write a Phoenix Saga movie that he also flopped.
Speaker 2: Simon Kimberg, Please don't do that again. Just do a
Speaker 2: different story.
Speaker 1: I don't blame mister Kinberg, who you know had did
Speaker 1: wonderful work on earlier days of future past. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: feels to me like again, this is too many chefs
Speaker 1: in the kitchen trying to chop it up and make things,
Speaker 1: turn things into their own cinematic universe that could stand
Speaker 1: on its own true And this is really the film
Speaker 1: that you know, it's nineteen ninety two. Our next film
Speaker 1: is two thousands X Men, which takes place basically in
Speaker 1: current day, late nineties, early two thousands, and this is
Speaker 1: the movie that kind of irrevocably fucks up the canon
Speaker 1: and it remains to be seen whether this the prequel
Speaker 1: movies exist in a different timeline as earlier released later
Speaker 1: fictional chronology X Men film, So that brings us to
Speaker 1: two thousand's X Men. The school is not named after Gene,
Speaker 1: and Gene is not dead, and an apparently perhaps separate
Speaker 1: timeline will try to make sense of this. Afterwards, Charles
Speaker 1: runs his school, which has active X Men team of
Speaker 1: Cyclops Storm and not dead Gene means a lot. Logan
Speaker 1: is cage fighting up north somewhere. He doesn't who he
Speaker 1: is because he gets shot in the head by the
Speaker 1: Adamantian bullet by William Striker. He meets Rogue, a runaway
Speaker 1: mutant whose power is she can absorb other mutant's powers
Speaker 1: regular humans like life, Force and Memories. Magneto's brotherhood of
Speaker 1: Evil Mutants are looking for her because Magneto has a
Speaker 1: plan which is the same plan as a Sebastian Shaw's
Speaker 1: plan back in the same which just make everybody a mutant.
Speaker 1: He has a machine that will make everybody a mutant.
Speaker 1: He can power the machine, but it will kill him
Speaker 1: if he does it. So his plan is to have
Speaker 1: Rogue in a kind of like Gollum in Return of
Speaker 1: the King kind of thing, have Rogue steal his powers
Speaker 1: and then have Rogue power the machine and she dies nice.
Speaker 1: But ultimately the X Men with Wolverine defeat him at
Speaker 1: the Statue of Liberty and put him in a plastic prison.
Speaker 1: This was a great movie and I loved it when
Speaker 1: I saw it in the theater all those years ago.
Speaker 1: I was so excited for this film. And so let
Speaker 1: me ask you your thoughts. One about this movie and
Speaker 1: two is this a different timeline? Did Charles eraice everybody's memory?
Speaker 1: Did you not really die? Is as a clone?
Speaker 4: What is going on? Okay, so this movie obviously like
Speaker 4: legendary movie.
Speaker 2: I feel like establishes not only like ah comic book
Speaker 2: kindon as it is nowadays with these movies, but also
Speaker 2: just like loads of the tropes love.
Speaker 4: This movie was very important movie to me as I
Speaker 4: was growing up.
Speaker 2: Like fai Ye, this is where he gets his start
Speaker 2: on these movies. I think that I have no idea
Speaker 2: what they were thinking by killing Jean in that movie,
Speaker 2: because it makes me know in Dark Phoenix it makes
Speaker 2: no sense. I know, it's like eight years later, I
Speaker 2: don't know what's supposed to have happened. Now, I did
Speaker 2: consider this.
Speaker 4: At the end of Days of Future Passed, Logan walks
Speaker 4: through the door. He wakes up.
Speaker 2: He's at Charles Xavier's and he walks through the door,
Speaker 2: and Scott is there, and Jeane is there, and Charles
Speaker 2: is there, and they're like, welcome back. Guess what, these
Speaker 2: characters that you love never died, which happens in the
Speaker 2: canon of these later on.
Speaker 1: Maybe this time line is fit.
Speaker 2: Maybe this timeline is actually that timeline and we're at
Speaker 2: the beginning again or something interesting.
Speaker 1: That's a good thought, yeah, because.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that would make sense. And Logan, you know,
Speaker 2: the logan we see here. Maybe he doesn't remember, but
Speaker 2: really that I think is the only get out that
Speaker 2: we have.
Speaker 1: Like, I like that, Okay, so that I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with that because I think that actually does kind of work.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like a trapped cycle.
Speaker 1: It's the Yeah, it's kind of like a trap cycle,
Speaker 1: which brings us to two thousand and threes X two.
Speaker 4: Widely seen as the best of the X Men movies,
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 1: Widely seen as the best. I think it probably is
Speaker 1: loganside I would pre logan. I think that's right.
Speaker 2: So it is.
Speaker 1: You know, Early two thousand's Nightcrawler attacks the White House,
Speaker 1: which is the strong support for William Striker's anti mute.
Speaker 2: Fantastic opening sequence still just stats.
Speaker 1: Wonderful William Strikers Reavers Early Reavers, I guess who are?
Speaker 1: I guess? A government sealed Team six Anti Mutant Strike
Speaker 1: Force attack the mansion and kidnap a bunch of students.
Speaker 1: He is building another Cerebro up at his base at
Speaker 1: Alcoholi Lake, and he plans to use the powers of
Speaker 1: his mutant lobottomized son, Mastermind Horble, to make Charles, using
Speaker 1: Mastermind's ability to create illusions and implant false memories to
Speaker 1: make Charles kill every mutant in the world by basically
Speaker 1: flipping it. He he logs into Cerebro and he thinks
Speaker 1: all the mutants are like evil or human. I forget
Speaker 1: what it exactly, go into Cerebra and kill now Mystique
Speaker 1: in what is a wonderful set? Such a set all
Speaker 1: the breaking Magneto out of prison set pieces are great.
Speaker 1: Mystique breaks Magneto out of prison. Everyone goes to Striker's
Speaker 1: Canadian base, which is also the longtime home of Weapon X,
Speaker 1: the project that gave Logan is Adamantium, and he's there
Speaker 1: and he's starting to like fragmented memories are starting to
Speaker 1: come to the survey's kind of remembering that the X
Speaker 1: Men defeat Striker and his lackeys, but Jeane dies, drowns
Speaker 1: in the lake in like a rushing torrent of the
Speaker 1: broken dam of alt the like La was holding back.
Speaker 1: She drowns in this rushing water, helping them escape. But
Speaker 1: does she die No, because power at the end, the
Speaker 1: power of the Phoenix is kakoonder. And you know this
Speaker 1: because at the end there's a shot where you're flying
Speaker 1: over the surface of Alcohol Lake and you see like
Speaker 1: the flames in the shape of the Phoenix on the
Speaker 1: surface of the lake. I love this movie. I think
Speaker 1: the action was wonderful. I think it was great. Like
Speaker 1: there's that wonderful attack on the mansion. You get to
Speaker 1: see Wolverine really in action for the first time. You
Speaker 1: get to see him fight against Lady Death Strike, which
Speaker 1: I was so psyched h for Lady Death Strike to
Speaker 1: show up. You get this wonderful fleshing out of Charles
Speaker 1: and Magneto's backstory. You meet Mastermind and learn that part
Speaker 1: of William Striker's original grudge against mutants of the fact
Speaker 1: that his son is a mutant and that Charles really
Speaker 1: couldn't help him because he was too just too powerful,
Speaker 1: and and Charles was too young to like, too young,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was an inexperienced Charles. This is I
Speaker 1: guess when would we guess this happened in the eighties
Speaker 1: days of Future Past or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, in the context of these movies,
Speaker 2: Charles had a lot of experience. But I think the
Speaker 2: idea is in the context of the x the original
Speaker 2: X Men trilogy, he's a younger guy.
Speaker 4: He doesn't necessarily know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Also, just want to say, the one thing that really
Speaker 2: makes these movies stand out right is like Patrick Stewart,
Speaker 2: Charles Xavier, Ian mckella, Magneto, Great Marsden, Scott Summers, like
Speaker 2: that is a huge Jackman Wolverine. Obviously, these are like
Speaker 2: top tier Hollywood castings that we still have.
Speaker 4: Like I think James Marsden.
Speaker 2: Scott Summers is like on a level almost with like
Speaker 2: a Robert Downey junior Tony Stark, Like who saw that
Speaker 2: in him that he could be the perfect Scott?
Speaker 4: He's so good and by the time you get to
Speaker 4: X three, which is, you know, a much maligned movie, but.
Speaker 2: He's still his story and that still moves me, like
Speaker 2: there is still interesting things that are done in this movie.
Speaker 4: So my apologies to Simon.
Speaker 2: Can I guess actually, but yeah, I just I just
Speaker 2: think that the costing in these movies is like halle Berry.
Speaker 4: A Storm, She's amazing.
Speaker 2: Do you want to see a darker skin Storm more
Speaker 2: representative of who Storm is? Yes, But halle Berry did
Speaker 2: a fantastic job with what she's given in this Alan
Speaker 2: Cumming Night Crawler.
Speaker 4: Nobody saw that.
Speaker 3: Oh now, that.
Speaker 4: Genius costing.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the cold open his attack on the White House,
Speaker 1: so that is up there as an action set piece
Speaker 1: with you know, with the Quicksilver scene and anything else
Speaker 1: in the MCU like, it's just wonderful. It's great. That
Speaker 1: brings us to two thousand and six is terrible X
Speaker 1: Men The Last Stand, which is happening again concurrently somewhere
Speaker 1: in the mid two thousands, Worthington Labs of the family business.
Speaker 1: This owned by the Worthington family. The scion of that
Speaker 1: family is of course Warren Worthington, slash Angel, who's im mute.
Speaker 1: Worthington Labs is developing a cure to mutation. They basically
Speaker 1: have a cure.
Speaker 4: I also feel like kind of work.
Speaker 2: I feel like, if your son is angel, that's like
Speaker 2: the least problem, Like why would you be bothered to
Speaker 2: cure him? He just is like a beautiful, handsome guy
Speaker 2: who has angel wings.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's not really like this guy would
Speaker 4: have a mutation for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I could see right now if
Speaker 1: Warren Worthington was just like flying around in the real world,
Speaker 1: every TikTok would be like people crushing on Warren Worthington.
Speaker 1: There would be strong arms and fly me like away, please,
Speaker 1: Warren Worthington, take me, take me away from here anyway.
Speaker 1: Scott goes to visit Alkali Lake where Gene died, just
Speaker 1: because he's missing her and he just wants to He's
Speaker 1: been called there's something that's calling him there. He goes
Speaker 1: there and he dies.
Speaker 4: Off screen, Yeah he does. He does get to like
Speaker 4: release his powers and he's like, yes, it's that's it's good.
Speaker 4: Good acting by James Marston.
Speaker 1: That killed apparently by Jean who is now fully the
Speaker 1: dark Field, and that means she already was wants.
Speaker 2: Now she is the dark Phoenix again, and that means
Speaker 2: she has to address like she's at a remfare throughout
Speaker 2: the rest of the movie, and it is unbelievable. Makes
Speaker 2: her so frumpy. And I'm like, if you can make
Speaker 2: Fams and frumpy, there is a problem here, and this
Speaker 2: problem is in this movie.
Speaker 1: Charles admits that he's been using his powers to suppress
Speaker 1: his Jean's full abilities, but now she's broken at the Garrison.
Speaker 4: Stop doing this.
Speaker 1: He just keeps doing it. He's admitting that he's doing it.
Speaker 1: Magneto is like, Gene, you finally seeing the light, babe,
Speaker 1: come to my side. He recruits her to his huge
Speaker 1: band of I don't want to call him evil mutants,
Speaker 1: but me, you believe in the in the Magneto agenda, yea,
Speaker 1: and she kills Charles, She dissolves, It turns him to dust.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, old house, just like crazy. She's she's
Speaker 4: really she's on one.
Speaker 1: But you know what that was where Charles, the place
Speaker 1: where Charles first invaded her mind.
Speaker 2: Yes, where we also get more I believe we also
Speaker 2: get a Chris Claremont cameo in that moment where we
Speaker 2: see her like the local families around looking on as
Speaker 2: Charles goes to house in a very bad daging sequence.
Speaker 1: So Magneto's band of mutant freedom fighters attack Worthington Leaf
Speaker 1: because they want to stop the cure, which I agree with.
Speaker 1: I think that's great. But the way they want to
Speaker 1: do it is by killing this specific kid whose mutant
Speaker 1: genome is the source of the cure.
Speaker 4: And they're like a little bald headed kid, and so.
Speaker 1: In the X Men are like, no, but we don't
Speaker 1: kill the kid.
Speaker 4: Come on.
Speaker 1: So the X Men go to stop them, and they
Speaker 1: stopped them.
Speaker 4: A huge outrage. Oh my god. Every time I think
Speaker 4: about it, it's like a pain in my heart. I
Speaker 4: feel like they would never do that.
Speaker 2: There's two things that happened in this movie that is
Speaker 2: very pain to me. One is when Mystique accident again
Speaker 2: Rebecca Remain It is really like the letters. She is
Speaker 2: so good as Mistique. I feel like it was very
Speaker 2: hard for them to ever recast that role and like
Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawrence did her best, but Rebecca is so good
Speaker 2: as Mystique. Two moments in this movie that always make
Speaker 2: me so furious every time I watch it, And yes
Speaker 2: I do rewatch this movie too much. But like the
Speaker 2: moment when Mistique gets cured accidentally because they have these
Speaker 2: guns that they're shooting the cure out and then and
Speaker 2: then magnet I was like, sorry, babe, you're not a
Speaker 2: mutant anymore.
Speaker 4: I'm just leaving you behind. He could never do that.
Speaker 1: He would never do would you would never do You
Speaker 1: would be like, we will avenge you, and we will
Speaker 1: avenge this crime against you. These humans will pay.
Speaker 2: But you would not be like, you're not a mutant anymore.
Speaker 2: But no, never, that would never happen. Rejected hate that idea. Also,
Speaker 2: when Logan kills Jane, this is the most sad boy weird,
Speaker 2: misogynistic bullshit, Like it's so horrible.
Speaker 4: And she's like, do it, log and I really want
Speaker 4: you to kill me. And he's like, okay, I gona
Speaker 4: do it. I gonna kill you. He would never do it.
Speaker 4: He loves that.
Speaker 2: He would never do it, this this disrespect. As soon
Speaker 2: as you boy up, I was like, fury came back
Speaker 2: inside my heart, like he would he would never do that.
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Speaker 1: we're back Okay, here's where we are, right. So it's
Speaker 1: the two thousands. There are X Men teams, Wolverine is
Speaker 1: a part of it. Jean Gray is dead, the Charles
Speaker 1: Xavier is dead, and Magneto is potentially depowered because we
Speaker 1: show him not you kind of saw him as stuff.
Speaker 1: But his power has taken a hit after being shot
Speaker 1: with the cure.
Speaker 4: And he's running the school. The one good thing the
Speaker 4: movie did set up but we never get.
Speaker 1: A storm is running the school. But now Logan has
Speaker 1: been so traumatized by having to kill Jean and also
Speaker 1: what a bad movie. The last stand was that he's
Speaker 1: back to living in the northern woods. That's where he
Speaker 1: goes when he doesn't know what else to do. He's
Speaker 1: living literally a hermit's existence in the woods. His only
Speaker 1: roommate is a bear yeah that he every morning says
Speaker 1: hi to is he heads into town to drink beer.
Speaker 1: He is then lured by this super rich industrialist named
Speaker 1: yashidah whose life he saved from the nuclear attack on
Speaker 1: Anagasaki back in World War two when he was fighting
Speaker 1: in every single war to Japan. This guy Yoshida basically
Speaker 1: is like, Hey, I just want to thank you for
Speaker 1: giving me the gift of my life by saving me
Speaker 1: from the nuclear bomb, and I want to give you
Speaker 1: a gift in return, which is your run. More to
Speaker 1: you're living this is basically immortal life, and you've faced
Speaker 1: you had to kill Jane, and all this stuff has happened,
Speaker 1: and you're so sad, and wouldn't it be better if
Speaker 1: you could just die and it would release you from
Speaker 1: all these terrible memories. By the way, let me just say,
Speaker 1: mister Shida, you got it wrong, because he doesn't remember
Speaker 1: any of the shit from before nineteen eighty. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: he barely remembers it, to be fair. So Logan eventually
Speaker 1: goes on the run with Yashida's daughter Marico, with.
Speaker 4: Her Logan character in the comment a huge.
Speaker 1: Important Logan character. He goes on the run from you know,
Speaker 1: various ninjas and Yashida mercenaries and who knows who else.
Speaker 1: He finds out that he has this robotic parasite that's
Speaker 1: in his chest next to his heart, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of like deadening his healing factor. So he cuts open
Speaker 1: his own chest and he reaches in he pulls it
Speaker 1: out with his beards. Okay, he's so sick. He then
Speaker 1: fights the Silver Samurai, who turns out to be Yeshidah
Speaker 1: in an animantium suit like an Iron Man suit with
Speaker 1: this big sword. Yashidah cuts off Logan's adamantium clause and
Speaker 1: I'm begin sucking the healing factor out of him and
Speaker 1: he becomes young. But then Logan kills him with the
Speaker 1: bone Claus and as he collapses near death, he has
Speaker 1: a vision of Gene, who just tells him, Logan, forget
Speaker 1: about how bad the last stand was. You're free, now,
Speaker 1: just go be free. I forgive you for killing me,
Speaker 1: and you know, don't worry because an even worst movie,
Speaker 1: X Men Apocalypse is gonna come out in like two
Speaker 1: three years, and it's gonna be so so fucking bad.
Speaker 1: Logan flies back to North America. Yes, Charles and Magnino
Speaker 1: meant him at the airport to warn him about a
Speaker 1: new human anti mutant weapon that they're putting together, and
Speaker 1: I don't know that we ever really figure out what
Speaker 1: that is. Your thoughts about twenty thirteen's The Wolverine heavily
Speaker 1: influenced by Frank Miller's The Wolverine limited series.
Speaker 4: I love Hiroyuki Sonata.
Speaker 2: I love to see him show up obviously now Emmy
Speaker 2: nominee Hiroyuki Sonata my bay from my favorite movie Message
Speaker 2: from Space, which is a nineteen seventy.
Speaker 4: Eight Star Wars knockoff. I love him. It was nice
Speaker 4: to see him here.
Speaker 2: This movie is very important for one reason. James Mangol
Speaker 2: made this movie. James Mangold made this movie, was obviously
Speaker 2: hindered by studio Shenanigans, and then would would get to
Speaker 2: get a second chance and make Logan And I think
Speaker 2: that is the main reason this movie is important.
Speaker 4: It's not as bad as I think people remember. I
Speaker 4: think it gets comed It's not that bad.
Speaker 2: It gets confused a lot with X origins, which is
Speaker 2: more of like a comedic failure. This is definitely leans
Speaker 2: into a lot of like the action is really exciting,
Speaker 2: the silver Samurai's cool. But honestly, if you're drawing from
Speaker 2: a Frank Miller comic about Japan, you're probably gonna make
Speaker 2: a movie that's pretty outdated, and this movie does feel
Speaker 2: like pretty outdated.
Speaker 4: Is like a thin yah Marricar.
Speaker 1: I don't know what drives a different.
Speaker 2: Version of this movie where, especially if it's made nowadays,
Speaker 2: especially if it's made post Shogun, Like really nowadays. I
Speaker 2: hope we get to see a version of Marico where
Speaker 2: she stands on her own two feet, where she is
Speaker 2: a powerful character, where we get more, we get to
Speaker 2: learn why she means so much to Logan.
Speaker 4: I would love that. Yeah, it's it's like very mid,
Speaker 4: very very mid.
Speaker 1: Okay, that brings us to twenty seventeen's Logan, and we
Speaker 1: jump way ahead. We jump over a couple decades ahead
Speaker 1: in the fictional chronology. It's now the year twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 1: and mutants are getting real scarce. There's no new mutants
Speaker 1: as far as anybody knows. I don't know how they're
Speaker 1: keeping track of this, but no, no mutants have really
Speaker 1: appeared in the last twenty five years or so. Logan
Speaker 1: is living out in Texas with Caliban and he's working
Speaker 1: as a limo driver. They're both taking care of Charles,
Speaker 1: who's early stages of dementia. He is really really not
Speaker 1: doing well and in fact, like a year or two
Speaker 1: years previously, it lost control of his powers, killed like
Speaker 1: six hundred people, including several.
Speaker 4: Actions, Yeah, including basically like his whole like found family. Right.
Speaker 1: So he's living now, you know, out here in this
Speaker 1: outpost in the in the Texas bad Lands and they
Speaker 1: keep him like in this room that you know, dead
Speaker 1: and yeah, because he's.
Speaker 2: Essentially had like he's essentially having like seizures that where
Speaker 2: he loses control of his mutant powers, which is very
Speaker 2: interesting because this is obviously this movie was actually nominated
Speaker 2: for an oscar as Best Adapted Screenplay because they said
Speaker 2: it was adapted from Old Man Logan as Me and.
Speaker 1: Old Man Logan the limited ser wonderful limited series that
Speaker 1: features and an aged Logan in an alternate timeline trying
Speaker 1: to free the United States from the grip of the
Speaker 1: long victorious super villains led by the Rent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's Mark Miller who will bring up again
Speaker 2: here very you know, prominent in these X Men comic
Speaker 2: adaptations and art by Steve mcnivven.
Speaker 4: Like just legendary, wonderful, the wonderful, wonderful.
Speaker 2: Steve mcnivvin so like, but interestingly, there are a lot
Speaker 2: of changes from that material, which is kind.
Speaker 1: Of and I think for the best, definitely for the
Speaker 1: Best is a really I think.
Speaker 4: This is just such an incredible movie.
Speaker 2: I actually went to this movie with my mom and
Speaker 2: she loved it, and after which she was like wanting
Speaker 2: to have all these deep convos about it, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, there's a lot of like Meditecht this movie,
Speaker 1: but let's let's continue to recount quickly. So Logan's healing
Speaker 1: factor after the events of everything we just talked about
Speaker 1: in all of these movies, not to mention him getting
Speaker 1: his healing factor sucked out of him and having a
Speaker 1: parasite in his heart. Yeah, in Wolverine, his healing factor
Speaker 1: is like on one bar, like it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: fifteen effectiveness. But he does have his claws back, which
Speaker 1: I guess here's my head canon for how this happened.
Speaker 1: Magneto put him back on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. At some point magnet I was like,
Speaker 4: I'll just do you a little favor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put it. Okay, So he's got his claws back.
Speaker 1: No good answer for how this happened. However, Logan gets
Speaker 1: roped into helping a young girl, Laura, who's on the
Speaker 1: run from something reavers working for the evil Transigen Pharmaceutical
Speaker 1: Corporation or pursuing them. Turns out Transigen, like many many
Speaker 1: other entities, including the US government, has been using mutants
Speaker 1: and experiments trying to basically steal their powers to use
Speaker 1: as drugs, which is likely part of the reason that
Speaker 1: MutS are very scarce. Logan finds and frees some of
Speaker 1: the young mutant kids from transigen and eventually Logan defeats
Speaker 1: a clone of himself named X twenty four Laura turns
Speaker 1: out his X twenty three X twenty four kills Charles.
Speaker 1: Laura says I love you, Logan, You're my dad, and
Speaker 1: Logan says like, I love you too, and I'm dying,
Speaker 1: but don't cry for me and don't become what I was,
Speaker 1: which was like a mindless killer with fragmented memories. And
Speaker 1: now Hugh Jackman, with Logan dead, is free to play
Speaker 1: any other role he wants. He will never be asked
Speaker 1: to play with again until twenty four Dead Full and Wolverine. Okay,
Speaker 1: your thoughts about Logan, which is a fit.
Speaker 4: I love this movie. It deserves to be OSCAR nominated.
Speaker 2: I will say one thing I do not love about
Speaker 2: this movie that does need to be pointed out. Starts
Speaker 2: with Logan killing a bunch of Latino guys.
Speaker 4: There is also a classic.
Speaker 1: There, Aristelia's hubcaps to be found.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: To get Then and then also there is a classic
Speaker 2: Charles Xavier sequence here where they go and they stay
Speaker 2: with a kindly family who in this movie are black,
Speaker 2: and then that family gets completely murdered by X twenty four.
Speaker 2: I feel like it is not there are thoughtful choices
Speaker 2: that you can make. I think a lot about John Wick, right,
Speaker 2: the first John Wick movie. The reason it stands out
Speaker 2: and that we still have that franchise going strong now
Speaker 2: is because they just chose to make the gangster's white.
Speaker 2: It's just him killing a bunch of Russian guys, right.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to see Peppermint. We saw what happened when
Speaker 2: they made Peppermint. I just think that there's some choices, hey,
Speaker 2: that could have been more thoughtful. But now I've got
Speaker 2: that out the way. I will say this is a
Speaker 2: very moving movie to me, Like I do love and
Speaker 2: I love I love seeing the baby mutants. I love
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to see in a like New
Speaker 2: Mutants movie, you know, I want to see that.
Speaker 4: I love Charles, I love the idea of.
Speaker 2: This utopia for mutants. I also thought it was very
Speaker 2: interesting that they kind of revealed that there's this GMO
Speaker 2: kind of they've been putting something into the food, into
Speaker 2: the processed food in America that stops the mutation.
Speaker 4: I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think generally this is like a
Speaker 2: this is a solid like nine out of ten, and
Speaker 2: my one point is removed for those like not good choices.
Speaker 1: I want to add to your point, which I agree
Speaker 1: with for all the reasons you mentioned, and I want
Speaker 1: to I'll criticize as the decision, specifically the kind of
Speaker 1: staying with the civilian farm family. My note in addition
Speaker 1: to your note is that this happened in X Men origins.
Speaker 1: Will read in that storyline, he is on the run.
Speaker 1: He ends up with this nice couple farmer family, who
Speaker 1: then he brings all this trouble down on them because
Speaker 1: he is which by the way, the farmer is the
Speaker 1: guy gives him a motorcycle and his classical so that's
Speaker 1: where he gets that stuff. And now we're doing that again,
Speaker 1: and so that's in part my annoyance is this is
Speaker 1: a recycle.
Speaker 2: Also, like they do, they have an interesting moment where
Speaker 2: Logan's like, we should leave and he can kind of
Speaker 2: feel that it's not a good idea, And you get
Speaker 2: this moment from Charles by Charles is like, no, let's
Speaker 2: stay there. Great, And I'm like, classic fucking Charles. He
Speaker 2: doesn't care. He's always bringing problems on people. But generally,
Speaker 2: I mean daph Nickina's Laura Kinney. You're talking about one
Speaker 2: of the best child performances we've ever seen.
Speaker 4: Like, she's so fantastic.
Speaker 2: I love the little choices they made styleistically where she
Speaker 2: steals the little sunglasses from the gas station, so you've
Speaker 2: got her killing machine, but she's wearing these cute child sunglasses.
Speaker 2: The Australian actor who plays the main reva is so good.
Speaker 4: And so scary. Boyd boyd, Yeah, he's so good. I think.
Speaker 2: I just think this is really a wonderful movie and
Speaker 2: it is so good and it did deserve that Oscar nomination,
Speaker 2: and I do think I agree. So there's a famous
Speaker 2: quote that apparently Kevin Feigi told you Jackman, like, don't
Speaker 2: come back because Logan's just so good, Like why would
Speaker 2: you come back?
Speaker 4: And obviously that a couple of changes, like a couple
Speaker 4: of notes.
Speaker 1: One thing I really love about this film, and I
Speaker 1: think it's not talked about enough, is like obviously like
Speaker 1: a grittier Retelling, but Mangold finds a way to make
Speaker 1: the found family theme even more poignant and heartbreaking with
Speaker 1: this surprising team up of Logan and Caliban, who we
Speaker 1: less saw in X Men Apocalypse and is forced to
Speaker 1: work as a tracker having to track down his friends
Speaker 1: watching them care for Charles is so heartbreaking and also
Speaker 1: Mangled found a way despite this like more grounded again,
Speaker 1: almost like Batman begins kind of style retelling that seems
Speaker 1: to esthetically reject the comics. He also found a way
Speaker 1: to underline the importance of the comics and believing in
Speaker 1: this kind of heroic thing with the addition of the
Speaker 1: X Men comics being part of the story and having
Speaker 1: clues for our heroes. I thought that that was woven
Speaker 1: together in a really really effective way that I just
Speaker 1: found really really resonant, and it was, Yeah, that's one of.
Speaker 4: My favorite It was great.
Speaker 2: I actually wrote an article about that when the movie
Speaker 2: came out, because I was just like, it understands something
Speaker 2: about comics as a mythology and kind of the employe
Speaker 2: of storytelling and like the power of what it can do.
Speaker 2: And I was just yeah, I was just totally blown
Speaker 2: away by that aspect of it. And I just think
Speaker 2: it is in general, is like a real high point
Speaker 2: for these kind of movies.
Speaker 1: We like to end each episode with a selection of
Speaker 1: fast moving segments. Today we are going to power rank
Speaker 1: all of the X Men movies. Let's you are top
Speaker 1: five X Men movies, Rosie, you go.
Speaker 2: First, Okay, Logan is number one for me. Days of
Speaker 2: Future Past is number two.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Then I'm going for the first X Men.
Speaker 2: Movie because I really do love that one. Then I'm
Speaker 2: going for X two, and then First Class. That's my
Speaker 2: personal top five.
Speaker 1: Here's my top five Logan. Of course, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with X two, and this is partially just because of
Speaker 1: how stoked I was when that movie came out. My feelings,
Speaker 1: my general feelings. Then X Men, Days of Future Past,
Speaker 1: then X Men First Class, and then the first X
Speaker 1: Men two thousands X Men film.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, and here we go again. It's the cycle starts again, Rosie.
Speaker 1: With the release of Deadpool at Wolverine, we've already made
Speaker 1: our predictions to that, which is, we think that Deadpool
Speaker 1: is going to just basically cauterize the X Men universe
Speaker 1: with its insane, twisted cannon that we don't know what's
Speaker 1: real and what's not and will bring them fully into
Speaker 1: the Marvel universe, selecting whatever best bits it wants. That's
Speaker 1: it for this episode, Thanks for listening by.
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