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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for every single Mutant movie,

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Speaker 1: every single movie, every single Wolverine movie, all of them

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Speaker 1: to be warned. Hello, my name is Jason Gazepcio and

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Speaker 1: I am Rosie Knight, and welcome back to x ray

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Speaker 1: Vision's week long coverage of all links Deadpool and Wolverine.

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Speaker 1: We're dropping episodes every single day leading up to the

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Speaker 1: release of that fine feature film, covering everything from both

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Speaker 1: characters comments origins to the history of their film adaptations.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, well, well, well, if you haven't been

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Speaker 2: waiting for this since our very first episode, because this

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Speaker 2: is mine and jason shed hyperfixation. It is the X

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Speaker 2: Man and we are recapping every single Fox x Man

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Speaker 2: that pool of Wolvere and most importantly, working out if

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Speaker 2: any of it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's gonna be the big question.

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Speaker 3: Of the night.

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Speaker 2: And who's who We're gonna be ranking our top five

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Speaker 2: X Men movies after we recap every single one.

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Speaker 1: But first the X Men movies. Okay, I have just

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Speaker 1: gotten done watching every single X Men movie in fictional

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Speaker 1: chronological order, and that's how we will cover these and

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Speaker 1: recap these films, try and figure out what's canon, what's not,

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Speaker 1: what is the canon, how does it work? And I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to get started, Rosie. Are you ready?

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Speaker 4: Oh baby, I'm ready.

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Speaker 5: This is it's all been laid into this my whole life.

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Speaker 1: First up, twenty eleven's X Men First Class. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the best. It's got its problem, does it,

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Speaker 1: one of the best mutant movies that we have. In

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Speaker 1: the early nineteen sixties, Charles Xavier a groovy. He actually says, oh,

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Speaker 4: This is as.

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Speaker 1: Yes, a Austin Powers esque version of Charles Xavier. He is,

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Speaker 1: To recruit the very first version of the X Men.

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Speaker 4: He declined what he was up to He was busy.

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Speaker 1: He was like getting ready to go to Vietnam at

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Speaker 1: Opposing them is apparently x Nazi Sebastian Shaw of the

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Speaker 1: X Men of course stop them during the Cuban Missile crisis,

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Speaker 1: of course, and Magneto takes revenge on Shaw who killed

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Speaker 1: and he just took it. Your thoughts about X Men

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Speaker 2: Okay, best of all, justice for Darwin. We all know

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Speaker 2: about this movie James McAvoy and Michael He's great Goose

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Speaker 2: Charles is very dumb in this movie.

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Speaker 4: He does not train the X Men. Also, he just gay.

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Speaker 1: They just send them in like.

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Speaker 2: It's a Cuban missile, just like go in r Ipter. Darwin,

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Speaker 2: about this movie, Mystique, Why why is she like going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like a little sheep shooting Oliver Twist.

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Speaker 2: You can take you are my m rich Yes, funny

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Speaker 1: Of course they'll have to have to mention Azazel. In

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Speaker 2: Also so other things that I thought good about this movie.

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Speaker 4: But it is still up there, very it is. It

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Speaker 2: But the times I think something we have to say

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Speaker 1: My expectations were nil below the ground. Yeah, we're nothing.

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Speaker 2: And at the time there was kind of this talk

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Speaker 1: Also, I gotta say I'm annoyed that Magneto stole his

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Speaker 4: No, it makes sense that he would have made something

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Speaker 2: Also, Superducer Joe rightfully was like Darwin, some people might

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Speaker 1: He evolved old Darwin because he evolves, right, So if

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Speaker 4: Well thought of. Everyone is always thinking about justice pause

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Speaker 2: Because also something I've watched First Class so many times now,

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Speaker 1: X Men Days of Future Past. To avoid a dystopian

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Speaker 4: How could you do it?

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Speaker 1: His mutation was an ability to endlessly cheat on his wife. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he could have endless affairs, Charles. It was amazing, all right.

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Speaker 1: So free Magneto. We must say that Logan, with the

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Speaker 1: Beast. And Magneto's son Quicksilver go and free Magneto from

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Speaker 1: That's I mean crazy stuff to look back and see

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Speaker 1: the worst and it's also one of the worst collorbook

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Speaker 1: movies that's ever happened. Apocalypse played by the wonderful Oscar Isaacs.

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00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 4: That seems like an absolutely like Wow, you killed it

441
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 4: costing can't wait to see that, you can't wait.

442
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: He is prone to insane speechifying. He's also wearing like

443
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Speaker 1: the ugliest makeup ever. I will now do recap of this.

444
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Speaker 1: So we're back in ancient Egypt where super mutant Apocalypse

445
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: is about to have his mind transferred into a younger,

446
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: hotter body. This guy can do everything. He's got incredible powers.

447
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: He can build the pyramids, he can't grow himself huge,

448
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: he's got super strength. He can like make people dissolve.

449
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: The only thing he can't do stop aging. The guy's

450
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: getting old old, so he needs a young body. And

451
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: the only thing is every time he tries to switch

452
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: into that young body, he's very vulnerable. So the people

453
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: of Egypt take the opportunity to betray him and en

454
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Speaker 1: sabaur Aka Apocalypse ends up trapped under the pancaked nine

455
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Speaker 1: to eleven rubble of his great Pyramid, where he remains

456
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Speaker 1: for five thousand years. Fast forward to nineteen eighty three.

457
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Speaker 1: New mutants are emerging across the world. Havoc enrolls his

458
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: other cyclops at Xavier's school, Mystique recruits Nightcrawler. Also Angel

459
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: is around. Angel's Apocalypse comes back because like a cult

460
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: awakens him and also Moimrick Taggart is there and he reawakens.

461
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Speaker 4: Why is she there? The buckets look killing.

462
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: He comes back and it's so funny watching him wander

463
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: the streets of Eliot's Cairo just being a fucking super weirdo.

464
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: He watches TV for twenty minutes and then decides, you

465
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Speaker 1: know what, this world is fucking soft, Like I'm tea,

466
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: this is dumb.

467
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: I watched twenty minutes of TV and I'm like, this

468
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 4: is just the worst.

469
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Speaker 1: He recruits his new four horsemen, including Storm and Magneto,

470
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Speaker 1: whose family were all murdered in Poland.

471
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Speaker 2: Again and actually like again, I will say in one

472
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Speaker 2: of the best sequences from this movie is when you

473
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: get to see Magnio what Magneo has.

474
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: Been up to, and he tried to live a simple

475
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Speaker 1: life and they just wouldn't. Let Rosie, let me ask

476
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Speaker 1: you about this, Let me ask a about this. Where's

477
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: this depth of warm feelings and love for your other family,

478
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: including your son Quicksilver Cat and the woman who you

479
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: had a relationship for a time and is his mother,

480
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: that you can't raise those.

481
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 4: Kids he had to go to Poland. Stoutney family. We're

482
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 4: always trying.

483
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: Storm and Magneto eventually switch sides because fucking Apocalypse is

484
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: crazy and prone to saying shit like this play the clip.

485
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: Always the same. Now all this no more stones, no

486
00:26:42,600 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 3: more spears, no more slings, no more sauces.

487
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: Sisting, no more super power.

488
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 4: So that's a Partlympse. He's doing that he's doing that

489
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 4: kind of shit alway.

490
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: He's doing it all the fucking time. Also, Tower of

491
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: Babel is like a biblical story, and he was buried

492
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: like three thousand years before the Bible, Like what the how?

493
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: Also, as whatever, I.

494
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: Guess that was in the twenty minutes of TV he

495
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: watched he got that information.

496
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: The music is so outrageous in this sequence too, like

497
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: and everyone else plays it so serious, like all these

498
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 2: people around the world like they're in like the hunt

499
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: for Red October or something.

500
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 4: They're like, who's turning the keys? It's like, I'll tell

501
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 4: you who.

502
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: It's apocalypse with his mind. I guess that seems like

503
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: he could be doing other things with that power. Also,

504
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: I feel like he didn't think this through. I feel

505
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: like just putting nukes in space is a bad idea,

506
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: gonna end badly for everyone. Also, this movie does include

507
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: one of my all time Hollywood favorite tropes, which is

508
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: when they give an origin story for something that never

509
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: needed an origin story. This is maybe only beaten by

510
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: the second bar Ro movie that Kenneth Browna made, where

511
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: they give an origin for his mustache. But in this movie,

512
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: they legitimately give an origin story to Charles Xavier going bold.

513
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I'm getting to this. Let me get

514
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: to this. So Magneto and Storm flip sides because they're

515
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: just like, I can't stand listening to this guy so boring.

516
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: He just keeps talking and talking and talking. So Gene

517
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: levels up her powers to Phoenix kind of sure region,

518
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: Charles fights Apocalypse on the astral plane, and the big

519
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: guys went.

520
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 4: But sadly done.

521
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: Sadly Apocalypse has baldified Charles over his fucking careful now

522
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: never ever be the same.

523
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: It tasfles out and you are just like, wow, this it's.

524
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: All gone, dude. Every follicle is gone, gone, gone, gone

525
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: with it, or the last vestiges of like Austin Powers

526
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: esque Riz no.

527
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: Hardhead and he's gone all these young students, but it's

528
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: never happened in FAM.

529
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 4: Now there's a justice students.

530
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: That's Mando is offered an opportunity to teach you the school.

531
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: He declines, and that is x amount Apocalypse that takes

532
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: us up through the early eighties. One thing I want

533
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: to mention that you mentioned origin stories. This movie is

534
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: really really bad. The Apocalypse stuff is like funny bad

535
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: because I think this movie is also like Apocalypse is

536
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: so deadly Shakespearean like serious, like he's serious all the

537
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: time and it makes him really funny. But also very

538
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: clearly this movie was influenced by the MC which was

539
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: riding oh high high it could possibly at the time,

540
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: and so they added like a lot of humor that

541
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: just falls extremely flat all throughout the movie. And then

542
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: there's problematic aspects like, for instance, the way that Apocalypse

543
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: recruits Magneto is he takes him to Auschwitz and it's like, hey,

544
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: remember this, Yeah.

545
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 4: He's he's like, remember when your parents were murdered? Why

546
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 4: don't you just get really angry now? And just like

547
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 4: remember the wholes that's fucked up.

548
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: And also as well, like you're talking about, you're reintroducing

549
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: like a character like Storm, who's like such an iconic legend.

550
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 4: And she's like a pace. They don't know what to

551
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: do with her. They don't do a good job.

552
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: Also, you have Angel who's like fighting in these crazy

553
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: like fight clubs in Berlin. It's like he's at Bergen,

554
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: which I will say hilarious as an English person because

555
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: that kid was most well known for being in like

556
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: a British soap opera called Coronation Street or EastEnders. I

557
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: think he's in EastEnders. So it's like seeing someone from

558
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: like Days of Our Lives turn up in an X

559
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: Men movie. So I will say something really funny about

560
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: this that I now see was a It was like

561
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: a noell A death.

562
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 6: Now more stone steps.

563
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: He's just like, that's not this is a nuclear bomb.

564
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 4: It's a different thing. But yeah.

565
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: Like also, they came to the comic book shop that

566
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: I worked in at the time and they were like, oh.

567
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: Do you want tickets to go and see this movie?

568
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: And it was just to the premiere, so you know

569
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: that they were really struggling when they were like, you

570
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: guys can just come and like try.

571
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: This out, just like see how it is.

572
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: I will say, in the cinema there was a couple

573
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: of cool like crazy is interesting, but yeah, terrible movie,

574
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous. And the fact that Apocalypse is like biggest

575
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: impact here is that he like makes Charles go bold

576
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: is like so fucking funny Charles he bought and also

577
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: as well, I just want to say this is especially

578
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 2: painful because Age of Apocalypse is like seen as one

579
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: of the best eras in Marvel Comics and Marvel X men,

580
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: so to adapt it so badly, you just know it's

581
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: all going badly from here, Making a superhero movie is expensive,

582
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: and so it's making a podcast, So please listen to

583
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: these ads.

584
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. That brings us up to twenty nineteen's

585
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: Dark Phoenix.

586
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 4: Really, I'm saying this movie going down might be worse

587
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 4: than Age of Apocalypse.

588
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's slightly better, but it's still I mean,

589
00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: plot wise, there's definitely higher points in this higher I

590
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: think it's not a worst plot, but is a slightly

591
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: better mind.

592
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: I enjoy it because of the representation of Charles Hill.

593
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 4: I feel like is finally the.

594
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Speaker 1: Year is nineteen ninety two.

595
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Speaker 2: Away, Can I just say everyone on Earth has wanted

596
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: a nineteen ninety two x ME movie because that is

597
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: when the cartoon was set. Everyone wants this to be

598
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: a neon fun They're going to the move. No, this

599
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: is the most bland ass looking movie that you could

600
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: ever imagine. They did the most boring version of the nineties.

601
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: It's actually offensive.

602
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: So it's nineteen ninety two. The psychic barriers Charles placed

603
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: on Gena keep her mutant powers from going absolutely fucking

604
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: crazy pants Phoenix level have failed.

605
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: Shouldn't have done that, by the way, that's a classic

606
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: Charles's mistake, kit don't be yes.

607
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: She is asked to like save a space shuttle, and

608
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: she does it, but this awakens the powers and also

609
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: merges them with some sort of cosmic energies, and things

610
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: are going bad. Jane kills Mystique uh oh, freeing Jennifer

611
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: Lawrence from her prison of the playing Mystique then flees

612
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: to the mutant refuge run by Magneto.

613
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: Interesting aliens, but they're not Jason.

614
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: Obviously on that. So aliens drawn by this burst of

615
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: cosmic energy come to Earth. They tell Jane that she

616
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: has absorbed the Phoenix Force, which they want so they

617
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: can conquer Earth. Gene eventually kills all the aliens, but

618
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 1: is consumed herself by the Phoenix Force and she dies.

619
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Speaker 1: Hank takes over the school, which is renamed after Jane,

620
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Speaker 1: while Charles and Magneto play chess in Paris Your Thought,

621
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Speaker 1: Dark Phoenix.

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Speaker 4: I my my most resounding memory of this movie, right

623
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Speaker 4: is one.

624
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: I think they put Dazzler in it, and Dazzla's that

625
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: and she's like in it for like two seconds.

626
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 4: Modern Dazzla she's not disco.

627
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: Second, Charles is like arrogant, kind of half evil Charles

628
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: in this where he like just.

629
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Speaker 1: Well he's been bald and he's been balding and and he's.

630
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: Like leaving the kids alone to just like go and

631
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: go and get like an award for being such a

632
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: great guy.

633
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 4: I thought that was pretty interesting.

634
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: But my most read a sounding memory is I saw

635
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: this in Century City AMC in the Westfield, which is

636
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: where many of these pre screenings happened. And no joke,

637
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: the last forty five minutes of the movie, we were

638
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: locked in to the screen and there was alarms going

639
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: off and flashing by, and we were all like, oh

640
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 2: my god, what is going on? And were they wouldn't

641
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: last lea if we're watching the movie. At first we

642
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: thought it was part of the movie, then we realized

643
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't, and eventually it was just like someone had leaned.

644
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 4: On the fire alarm door. But we were all like,

645
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: oh my god, we're gonna die, like what's happening.

646
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: So that's really And then the next day they emailed

647
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: us and they were like, guys, we're so sorry, Like

648
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: you can come if you want, you can come to

649
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: the premiere at the TCL Chinese there and everyone went.

650
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: Nah, I nobody wanted to go to the premiere of

651
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: that movie. So that's my resounding bad times, bad times at.

652
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: The Bad Child's Bad movie that I just think, like the.

653
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 2: Fact I'm sorry to I don't like to personally point

654
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: out somebody's failings, but like the fact that they got

655
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: the same person who made X three and fucked up

656
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: the Phoenix Saga in that to come back and once

657
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Speaker 2: again write a Phoenix Saga movie that he also flopped.

658
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: Simon Kimberg, Please don't do that again. Just do a

659
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: different story.

660
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Speaker 1: I don't blame mister Kinberg, who you know had did

661
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: wonderful work on earlier days of future past. Yeah, this

662
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: feels to me like again, this is too many chefs

663
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: in the kitchen trying to chop it up and make things,

664
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: turn things into their own cinematic universe that could stand

665
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: on its own true And this is really the film

666
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: that you know, it's nineteen ninety two. Our next film

667
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: is two thousands X Men, which takes place basically in

668
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: current day, late nineties, early two thousands, and this is

669
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: the movie that kind of irrevocably fucks up the canon

670
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: and it remains to be seen whether this the prequel

671
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: movies exist in a different timeline as earlier released later

672
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: fictional chronology X Men film, So that brings us to

673
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: two thousand's X Men. The school is not named after Gene,

674
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: and Gene is not dead, and an apparently perhaps separate

675
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: timeline will try to make sense of this. Afterwards, Charles

676
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: runs his school, which has active X Men team of

677
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: Cyclops Storm and not dead Gene means a lot. Logan

678
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: is cage fighting up north somewhere. He doesn't who he

679
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: is because he gets shot in the head by the

680
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: Adamantian bullet by William Striker. He meets Rogue, a runaway

681
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: mutant whose power is she can absorb other mutant's powers

682
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: regular humans like life, Force and Memories. Magneto's brotherhood of

683
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: Evil Mutants are looking for her because Magneto has a

684
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: plan which is the same plan as a Sebastian Shaw's

685
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: plan back in the same which just make everybody a mutant.

686
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: He has a machine that will make everybody a mutant.

687
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: He can power the machine, but it will kill him

688
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: if he does it. So his plan is to have

689
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: Rogue in a kind of like Gollum in Return of

690
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: the King kind of thing, have Rogue steal his powers

691
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: and then have Rogue power the machine and she dies nice.

692
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: But ultimately the X Men with Wolverine defeat him at

693
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: the Statue of Liberty and put him in a plastic prison.

694
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Speaker 1: This was a great movie and I loved it when

695
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: I saw it in the theater all those years ago.

696
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: I was so excited for this film. And so let

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Speaker 1: me ask you your thoughts. One about this movie and

698
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: two is this a different timeline? Did Charles eraice everybody's memory?

699
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: Did you not really die? Is as a clone?

700
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 4: What is going on? Okay, so this movie obviously like

701
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: legendary movie.

702
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: I feel like establishes not only like ah comic book

703
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: kindon as it is nowadays with these movies, but also

704
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: just like loads of the tropes love.

705
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: This movie was very important movie to me as I

706
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: was growing up.

707
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 2: Like fai Ye, this is where he gets his start

708
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: on these movies. I think that I have no idea

709
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Speaker 2: what they were thinking by killing Jean in that movie,

710
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: because it makes me know in Dark Phoenix it makes

711
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: no sense. I know, it's like eight years later, I

712
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: don't know what's supposed to have happened. Now, I did

713
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: consider this.

714
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: At the end of Days of Future Passed, Logan walks

715
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: through the door. He wakes up.

716
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: He's at Charles Xavier's and he walks through the door,

717
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: and Scott is there, and Jeane is there, and Charles

718
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: is there, and they're like, welcome back. Guess what, these

719
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: characters that you love never died, which happens in the

720
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Speaker 2: canon of these later on.

721
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: Maybe this time line is fit.

722
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: Maybe this timeline is actually that timeline and we're at

723
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: the beginning again or something interesting.

724
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Speaker 1: That's a good thought, yeah, because.

725
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, that would make sense. And Logan, you know,

726
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: the logan we see here. Maybe he doesn't remember, but

727
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: really that I think is the only get out that

728
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: we have.

729
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Speaker 1: Like, I like that, Okay, so that I'm gonna go

730
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Speaker 1: with that because I think that actually does kind of work.

731
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Speaker 4: It's sort of like a trapped cycle.

732
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Speaker 1: It's the Yeah, it's kind of like a trap cycle,

733
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Speaker 1: which brings us to two thousand and threes X two.

734
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Speaker 4: Widely seen as the best of the X Men movies,

735
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Speaker 4: I will.

736
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Speaker 1: Widely seen as the best. I think it probably is

737
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Speaker 1: loganside I would pre logan. I think that's right.

738
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Speaker 2: So it is.

739
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Speaker 1: You know, Early two thousand's Nightcrawler attacks the White House,

740
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Speaker 1: which is the strong support for William Striker's anti mute.

741
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Speaker 2: Fantastic opening sequence still just stats.

742
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Wonderful William Strikers Reavers Early Reavers, I guess who are?

743
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: I guess? A government sealed Team six Anti Mutant Strike

744
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: Force attack the mansion and kidnap a bunch of students.

745
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: He is building another Cerebro up at his base at

746
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Speaker 1: Alcoholi Lake, and he plans to use the powers of

747
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: his mutant lobottomized son, Mastermind Horble, to make Charles, using

748
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: Mastermind's ability to create illusions and implant false memories to

749
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: make Charles kill every mutant in the world by basically

750
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: flipping it. He he logs into Cerebro and he thinks

751
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: all the mutants are like evil or human. I forget

752
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: what it exactly, go into Cerebra and kill now Mystique

753
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: in what is a wonderful set? Such a set all

754
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: the breaking Magneto out of prison set pieces are great.

755
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: Mystique breaks Magneto out of prison. Everyone goes to Striker's

756
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: Canadian base, which is also the longtime home of Weapon X,

757
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: the project that gave Logan is Adamantium, and he's there

758
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: and he's starting to like fragmented memories are starting to

759
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: come to the survey's kind of remembering that the X

760
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: Men defeat Striker and his lackeys, but Jeane dies, drowns

761
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: in the lake in like a rushing torrent of the

762
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: broken dam of alt the like La was holding back.

763
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: She drowns in this rushing water, helping them escape. But

764
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: does she die No, because power at the end, the

765
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: power of the Phoenix is kakoonder. And you know this

766
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: because at the end there's a shot where you're flying

767
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: over the surface of Alcohol Lake and you see like

768
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: the flames in the shape of the Phoenix on the

769
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: surface of the lake. I love this movie. I think

770
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: the action was wonderful. I think it was great. Like

771
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: there's that wonderful attack on the mansion. You get to

772
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: see Wolverine really in action for the first time. You

773
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: get to see him fight against Lady Death Strike, which

774
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: I was so psyched h for Lady Death Strike to

775
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: show up. You get this wonderful fleshing out of Charles

776
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: and Magneto's backstory. You meet Mastermind and learn that part

777
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: of William Striker's original grudge against mutants of the fact

778
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: that his son is a mutant and that Charles really

779
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: couldn't help him because he was too just too powerful,

780
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: and and Charles was too young to like, too young,

781
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was an inexperienced Charles. This is I

782
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: guess when would we guess this happened in the eighties

783
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: days of Future Past or something.

784
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, in the context of these movies,

785
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: Charles had a lot of experience. But I think the

786
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: idea is in the context of the x the original

787
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: X Men trilogy, he's a younger guy.

788
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 4: He doesn't necessarily know what's going on.

789
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: Also, just want to say, the one thing that really

790
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: makes these movies stand out right is like Patrick Stewart,

791
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: Charles Xavier, Ian mckella, Magneto, Great Marsden, Scott Summers, like

792
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: that is a huge Jackman Wolverine. Obviously, these are like

793
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: top tier Hollywood castings that we still have.

794
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 4: Like I think James Marsden.

795
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: Scott Summers is like on a level almost with like

796
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: a Robert Downey junior Tony Stark, Like who saw that

797
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: in him that he could be the perfect Scott?

798
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 4: He's so good and by the time you get to

799
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: X three, which is, you know, a much maligned movie, but.

800
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: He's still his story and that still moves me, like

801
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 2: there is still interesting things that are done in this movie.

802
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: So my apologies to Simon.

803
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: Can I guess actually, but yeah, I just I just

804
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: think that the costing in these movies is like halle Berry.

805
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 4: A Storm, She's amazing.

806
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: Do you want to see a darker skin Storm more

807
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: representative of who Storm is? Yes, But halle Berry did

808
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 2: a fantastic job with what she's given in this Alan

809
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: Cumming Night Crawler.

810
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 4: Nobody saw that.

811
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: Oh now, that.

812
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 4: Genius costing.

813
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: Yes, and the cold open his attack on the White House,

814
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: so that is up there as an action set piece

815
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: with you know, with the Quicksilver scene and anything else

816
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: in the MCU like, it's just wonderful. It's great. That

817
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: brings us to two thousand and six is terrible X

818
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: Men The Last Stand, which is happening again concurrently somewhere

819
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: in the mid two thousands, Worthington Labs of the family business.

820
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: This owned by the Worthington family. The scion of that

821
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: family is of course Warren Worthington, slash Angel, who's im mute.

822
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: Worthington Labs is developing a cure to mutation. They basically

823
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: have a cure.

824
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 4: I also feel like kind of work.

825
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: I feel like, if your son is angel, that's like

826
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: the least problem, Like why would you be bothered to

827
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: cure him? He just is like a beautiful, handsome guy

828
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 2: who has angel wings.

829
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 4: I feel like that's not really like this guy would

830
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: have a mutation for sure.

831
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I could see right now if

832
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: Warren Worthington was just like flying around in the real world,

833
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: every TikTok would be like people crushing on Warren Worthington.

834
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: There would be strong arms and fly me like away, please,

835
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: Warren Worthington, take me, take me away from here anyway.

836
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: Scott goes to visit Alkali Lake where Gene died, just

837
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: because he's missing her and he just wants to He's

838
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: been called there's something that's calling him there. He goes

839
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: there and he dies.

840
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 4: Off screen, Yeah he does. He does get to like

841
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 4: release his powers and he's like, yes, it's that's it's good.

842
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 4: Good acting by James Marston.

843
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: That killed apparently by Jean who is now fully the

844
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: dark Field, and that means she already was wants.

845
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: Now she is the dark Phoenix again, and that means

846
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: she has to address like she's at a remfare throughout

847
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: the rest of the movie, and it is unbelievable. Makes

848
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: her so frumpy. And I'm like, if you can make

849
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: Fams and frumpy, there is a problem here, and this

850
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: problem is in this movie.

851
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: Charles admits that he's been using his powers to suppress

852
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: his Jean's full abilities, but now she's broken at the Garrison.

853
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 4: Stop doing this.

854
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: He just keeps doing it. He's admitting that he's doing it.

855
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: Magneto is like, Gene, you finally seeing the light, babe,

856
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: come to my side. He recruits her to his huge

857
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: band of I don't want to call him evil mutants,

858
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: but me, you believe in the in the Magneto agenda, yea,

859
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: and she kills Charles, She dissolves, It turns him to dust.

860
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: Oh my god, old house, just like crazy. She's she's

861
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 4: really she's on one.

862
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: But you know what that was where Charles, the place

863
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: where Charles first invaded her mind.

864
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 2: Yes, where we also get more I believe we also

865
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: get a Chris Claremont cameo in that moment where we

866
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 2: see her like the local families around looking on as

867
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: Charles goes to house in a very bad daging sequence.

868
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: So Magneto's band of mutant freedom fighters attack Worthington Leaf

869
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: because they want to stop the cure, which I agree with.

870
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: I think that's great. But the way they want to

871
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: do it is by killing this specific kid whose mutant

872
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: genome is the source of the cure.

873
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 4: And they're like a little bald headed kid, and so.

874
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: In the X Men are like, no, but we don't

875
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: kill the kid.

876
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 4: Come on.

877
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: So the X Men go to stop them, and they

878
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: stopped them.

879
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 4: A huge outrage. Oh my god. Every time I think

880
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 4: about it, it's like a pain in my heart. I

881
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 4: feel like they would never do that.

882
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: There's two things that happened in this movie that is

883
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: very pain to me. One is when Mystique accident again

884
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: Rebecca Remain It is really like the letters. She is

885
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: so good as Mistique. I feel like it was very

886
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: hard for them to ever recast that role and like

887
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawrence did her best, but Rebecca is so good

888
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: as Mystique. Two moments in this movie that always make

889
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: me so furious every time I watch it, And yes

890
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: I do rewatch this movie too much. But like the

891
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: moment when Mistique gets cured accidentally because they have these

892
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: guns that they're shooting the cure out and then and

893
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: then magnet I was like, sorry, babe, you're not a

894
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: mutant anymore.

895
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 4: I'm just leaving you behind. He could never do that.

896
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: He would never do would you would never do You

897
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: would be like, we will avenge you, and we will

898
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: avenge this crime against you. These humans will pay.

899
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: But you would not be like, you're not a mutant anymore.

900
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: But no, never, that would never happen. Rejected hate that idea. Also,

901
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: when Logan kills Jane, this is the most sad boy weird,

902
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: misogynistic bullshit, Like it's so horrible.

903
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 4: And she's like, do it, log and I really want

904
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: you to kill me. And he's like, okay, I gona

905
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 4: do it. I gonna kill you. He would never do it.

906
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: He loves that.

907
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: He would never do it, this this disrespect. As soon

908
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: as you boy up, I was like, fury came back

909
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: inside my heart, like he would he would never do that.

910
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: That terrible movie brings us to yet another ad break.

911
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: We'll be back after these messages from our sponsor. Yeah,

912
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: we're back Okay, here's where we are, right. So it's

913
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: the two thousands. There are X Men teams, Wolverine is

914
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: a part of it. Jean Gray is dead, the Charles

915
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: Xavier is dead, and Magneto is potentially depowered because we

916
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: show him not you kind of saw him as stuff.

917
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: But his power has taken a hit after being shot

918
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: with the cure.

919
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: And he's running the school. The one good thing the

920
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 4: movie did set up but we never get.

921
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: A storm is running the school. But now Logan has

922
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: been so traumatized by having to kill Jean and also

923
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: what a bad movie. The last stand was that he's

924
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: back to living in the northern woods. That's where he

925
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: goes when he doesn't know what else to do. He's

926
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: living literally a hermit's existence in the woods. His only

927
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: roommate is a bear yeah that he every morning says

928
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: hi to is he heads into town to drink beer.

929
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: He is then lured by this super rich industrialist named

930
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: yashidah whose life he saved from the nuclear attack on

931
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: Anagasaki back in World War two when he was fighting

932
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: in every single war to Japan. This guy Yoshida basically

933
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: is like, Hey, I just want to thank you for

934
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: giving me the gift of my life by saving me

935
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: from the nuclear bomb, and I want to give you

936
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: a gift in return, which is your run. More to

937
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: you're living this is basically immortal life, and you've faced

938
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: you had to kill Jane, and all this stuff has happened,

939
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: and you're so sad, and wouldn't it be better if

940
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: you could just die and it would release you from

941
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: all these terrible memories. By the way, let me just say,

942
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: mister Shida, you got it wrong, because he doesn't remember

943
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: any of the shit from before nineteen eighty. Yeah, like

944
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: he barely remembers it, to be fair. So Logan eventually

945
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: goes on the run with Yashida's daughter Marico, with.

946
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: Her Logan character in the comment a huge.

947
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: Important Logan character. He goes on the run from you know,

948
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: various ninjas and Yashida mercenaries and who knows who else.

949
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: He finds out that he has this robotic parasite that's

950
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: in his chest next to his heart, and that's kind

951
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: of like deadening his healing factor. So he cuts open

952
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: his own chest and he reaches in he pulls it

953
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: out with his beards. Okay, he's so sick. He then

954
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: fights the Silver Samurai, who turns out to be Yeshidah

955
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: in an animantium suit like an Iron Man suit with

956
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: this big sword. Yashidah cuts off Logan's adamantium clause and

957
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm begin sucking the healing factor out of him and

958
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: he becomes young. But then Logan kills him with the

959
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: bone Claus and as he collapses near death, he has

960
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: a vision of Gene, who just tells him, Logan, forget

961
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: about how bad the last stand was. You're free, now,

962
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: just go be free. I forgive you for killing me,

963
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: and you know, don't worry because an even worst movie,

964
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: X Men Apocalypse is gonna come out in like two

965
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: three years, and it's gonna be so so fucking bad.

966
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: Logan flies back to North America. Yes, Charles and Magnino

967
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: meant him at the airport to warn him about a

968
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: new human anti mutant weapon that they're putting together, and

969
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that we ever really figure out what

970
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: that is. Your thoughts about twenty thirteen's The Wolverine heavily

971
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: influenced by Frank Miller's The Wolverine limited series.

972
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: I love Hiroyuki Sonata.

973
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 2: I love to see him show up obviously now Emmy

974
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: nominee Hiroyuki Sonata my bay from my favorite movie Message

975
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: from Space, which is a nineteen seventy.

976
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 4: Eight Star Wars knockoff. I love him. It was nice

977
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 4: to see him here.

978
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: This movie is very important for one reason. James Mangol

979
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: made this movie. James Mangold made this movie, was obviously

980
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 2: hindered by studio Shenanigans, and then would would get to

981
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: get a second chance and make Logan And I think

982
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: that is the main reason this movie is important.

983
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 4: It's not as bad as I think people remember. I

984
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 4: think it gets comed It's not that bad.

985
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: It gets confused a lot with X origins, which is

986
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: more of like a comedic failure. This is definitely leans

987
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: into a lot of like the action is really exciting,

988
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: the silver Samurai's cool. But honestly, if you're drawing from

989
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: a Frank Miller comic about Japan, you're probably gonna make

990
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: a movie that's pretty outdated, and this movie does feel

991
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: like pretty outdated.

992
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 4: Is like a thin yah Marricar.

993
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what drives a different.

994
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: Version of this movie where, especially if it's made nowadays,

995
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: especially if it's made post Shogun, Like really nowadays. I

996
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: hope we get to see a version of Marico where

997
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: she stands on her own two feet, where she is

998
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: a powerful character, where we get more, we get to

999
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 2: learn why she means so much to Logan.

1000
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 4: I would love that. Yeah, it's it's like very mid,

1001
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 4: very very mid.

1002
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: Okay, that brings us to twenty seventeen's Logan, and we

1003
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: jump way ahead. We jump over a couple decades ahead

1004
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: in the fictional chronology. It's now the year twenty twenty nine,

1005
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: and mutants are getting real scarce. There's no new mutants

1006
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: as far as anybody knows. I don't know how they're

1007
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: keeping track of this, but no, no mutants have really

1008
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: appeared in the last twenty five years or so. Logan

1009
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,959
Speaker 1: is living out in Texas with Caliban and he's working

1010
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: as a limo driver. They're both taking care of Charles,

1011
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: who's early stages of dementia. He is really really not

1012
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: doing well and in fact, like a year or two

1013
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: years previously, it lost control of his powers, killed like

1014
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: six hundred people, including several.

1015
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 4: Actions, Yeah, including basically like his whole like found family. Right.

1016
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: So he's living now, you know, out here in this

1017
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: outpost in the in the Texas bad Lands and they

1018
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: keep him like in this room that you know, dead

1019
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, because he's.

1020
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: Essentially had like he's essentially having like seizures that where

1021
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: he loses control of his mutant powers, which is very

1022
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: interesting because this is obviously this movie was actually nominated

1023
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: for an oscar as Best Adapted Screenplay because they said

1024
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: it was adapted from Old Man Logan as Me and.

1025
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: Old Man Logan the limited ser wonderful limited series that

1026
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: features and an aged Logan in an alternate timeline trying

1027
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: to free the United States from the grip of the

1028
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: long victorious super villains led by the Rent.

1029
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's Mark Miller who will bring up again

1030
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 2: here very you know, prominent in these X Men comic

1031
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: adaptations and art by Steve mcnivven.

1032
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 4: Like just legendary, wonderful, the wonderful, wonderful.

1033
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 2: Steve mcnivvin so like, but interestingly, there are a lot

1034
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: of changes from that material, which is kind.

1035
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: Of and I think for the best, definitely for the

1036
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: Best is a really I think.

1037
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 4: This is just such an incredible movie.

1038
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: I actually went to this movie with my mom and

1039
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: she loved it, and after which she was like wanting

1040
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: to have all these deep convos about it, and I was.

1041
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, there's a lot of like Meditecht this movie,

1042
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: but let's let's continue to recount quickly. So Logan's healing

1043
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: factor after the events of everything we just talked about

1044
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: in all of these movies, not to mention him getting

1045
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: his healing factor sucked out of him and having a

1046
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: parasite in his heart. Yeah, in Wolverine, his healing factor

1047
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: is like on one bar, like it's like, yeah, it's

1048
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: fifteen effectiveness. But he does have his claws back, which

1049
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: I guess here's my head canon for how this happened.

1050
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: Magneto put him back on.

1051
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. At some point magnet I was like,

1052
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 4: I'll just do you a little favor.

1053
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put it. Okay, So he's got his claws back.

1054
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: No good answer for how this happened. However, Logan gets

1055
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: roped into helping a young girl, Laura, who's on the

1056
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: run from something reavers working for the evil Transigen Pharmaceutical

1057
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: Corporation or pursuing them. Turns out Transigen, like many many

1058
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: other entities, including the US government, has been using mutants

1059
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: and experiments trying to basically steal their powers to use

1060
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: as drugs, which is likely part of the reason that

1061
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: MutS are very scarce. Logan finds and frees some of

1062
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: the young mutant kids from transigen and eventually Logan defeats

1063
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: a clone of himself named X twenty four Laura turns

1064
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: out his X twenty three X twenty four kills Charles.

1065
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: Laura says I love you, Logan, You're my dad, and

1066
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: Logan says like, I love you too, and I'm dying,

1067
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: but don't cry for me and don't become what I was,

1068
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: which was like a mindless killer with fragmented memories. And

1069
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: now Hugh Jackman, with Logan dead, is free to play

1070
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: any other role he wants. He will never be asked

1071
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: to play with again until twenty four Dead Full and Wolverine. Okay,

1072
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: your thoughts about Logan, which is a fit.

1073
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 4: I love this movie. It deserves to be OSCAR nominated.

1074
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: I will say one thing I do not love about

1075
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: this movie that does need to be pointed out. Starts

1076
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: with Logan killing a bunch of Latino guys.

1077
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 4: There is also a classic.

1078
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: There, Aristelia's hubcaps to be found.

1079
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, definitely.

1080
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: To get Then and then also there is a classic

1081
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: Charles Xavier sequence here where they go and they stay

1082
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: with a kindly family who in this movie are black,

1083
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: and then that family gets completely murdered by X twenty four.

1084
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: I feel like it is not there are thoughtful choices

1085
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: that you can make. I think a lot about John Wick, right,

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Speaker 2: the first John Wick movie. The reason it stands out

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Speaker 2: and that we still have that franchise going strong now

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Speaker 2: is because they just chose to make the gangster's white.

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Speaker 2: It's just him killing a bunch of Russian guys, right.

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to see Peppermint. We saw what happened when

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Speaker 2: they made Peppermint. I just think that there's some choices, hey,

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Speaker 2: that could have been more thoughtful. But now I've got

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Speaker 2: that out the way. I will say this is a

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Speaker 2: very moving movie to me, Like I do love and

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Speaker 2: I love I love seeing the baby mutants. I love

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Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to see in a like New

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Speaker 2: Mutants movie, you know, I want to see that.

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Speaker 4: I love Charles, I love the idea of.

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Speaker 2: This utopia for mutants. I also thought it was very

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Speaker 2: interesting that they kind of revealed that there's this GMO

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Speaker 2: kind of they've been putting something into the food, into

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Speaker 2: the processed food in America that stops the mutation.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think generally this is like a

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Speaker 2: this is a solid like nine out of ten, and

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Speaker 2: my one point is removed for those like not good choices.

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Speaker 1: I want to add to your point, which I agree

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Speaker 1: with for all the reasons you mentioned, and I want

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Speaker 1: to I'll criticize as the decision, specifically the kind of

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Speaker 1: staying with the civilian farm family. My note in addition

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Speaker 1: to your note is that this happened in X Men origins.

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Speaker 1: Will read in that storyline, he is on the run.

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Speaker 1: He ends up with this nice couple farmer family, who

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Speaker 1: then he brings all this trouble down on them because

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Speaker 1: he is which by the way, the farmer is the

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Speaker 1: guy gives him a motorcycle and his classical so that's

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Speaker 1: where he gets that stuff. And now we're doing that again,

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Speaker 1: and so that's in part my annoyance is this is

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Speaker 1: a recycle.

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Speaker 2: Also, like they do, they have an interesting moment where

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Speaker 2: Logan's like, we should leave and he can kind of

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Speaker 2: feel that it's not a good idea, And you get

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Speaker 2: this moment from Charles by Charles is like, no, let's

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Speaker 2: stay there. Great, And I'm like, classic fucking Charles. He

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Speaker 2: doesn't care. He's always bringing problems on people. But generally,

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Speaker 2: I mean daph Nickina's Laura Kinney. You're talking about one

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Speaker 2: of the best child performances we've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: Like, she's so fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I love the little choices they made styleistically where she

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Speaker 2: steals the little sunglasses from the gas station, so you've

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Speaker 2: got her killing machine, but she's wearing these cute child sunglasses.

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Speaker 2: The Australian actor who plays the main reva is so good.

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Speaker 4: And so scary. Boyd boyd, Yeah, he's so good. I think.

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Speaker 2: I just think this is really a wonderful movie and

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Speaker 2: it is so good and it did deserve that Oscar nomination,

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Speaker 2: and I do think I agree. So there's a famous

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Speaker 2: quote that apparently Kevin Feigi told you Jackman, like, don't

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Speaker 2: come back because Logan's just so good, Like why would

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Speaker 2: you come back?

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Speaker 4: And obviously that a couple of changes, like a couple

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Speaker 4: of notes.

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Speaker 1: One thing I really love about this film, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's not talked about enough, is like obviously like

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Speaker 1: a grittier Retelling, but Mangold finds a way to make

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Speaker 1: the found family theme even more poignant and heartbreaking with

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Speaker 1: this surprising team up of Logan and Caliban, who we

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Speaker 1: less saw in X Men Apocalypse and is forced to

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Speaker 1: work as a tracker having to track down his friends

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Speaker 1: watching them care for Charles is so heartbreaking and also

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Speaker 1: Mangled found a way despite this like more grounded again,

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Speaker 1: almost like Batman begins kind of style retelling that seems

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Speaker 1: to esthetically reject the comics. He also found a way

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Speaker 1: to underline the importance of the comics and believing in

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Speaker 1: this kind of heroic thing with the addition of the

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Speaker 1: X Men comics being part of the story and having

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Speaker 1: clues for our heroes. I thought that that was woven

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Speaker 1: together in a really really effective way that I just

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Speaker 1: found really really resonant, and it was, Yeah, that's one of.

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Speaker 4: My favorite It was great.

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Speaker 2: I actually wrote an article about that when the movie

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Speaker 2: came out, because I was just like, it understands something

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Speaker 2: about comics as a mythology and kind of the employe

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Speaker 2: of storytelling and like the power of what it can do.

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Speaker 2: And I was just yeah, I was just totally blown

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Speaker 2: away by that aspect of it. And I just think

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Speaker 2: it is in general, is like a real high point

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Speaker 2: for these kind of movies.

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Speaker 1: We like to end each episode with a selection of

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Speaker 1: fast moving segments. Today we are going to power rank

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Speaker 1: all of the X Men movies. Let's you are top

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Speaker 1: five X Men movies, Rosie, you go.

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Speaker 2: First, Okay, Logan is number one for me. Days of

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Speaker 2: Future Past is number two.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Then I'm going for the first X Men.

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Speaker 2: Movie because I really do love that one. Then I'm

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Speaker 2: going for X two, and then First Class. That's my

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Speaker 2: personal top five.

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Speaker 1: Here's my top five Logan. Of course, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with X two, and this is partially just because of

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Speaker 1: how stoked I was when that movie came out. My feelings,

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Speaker 1: my general feelings. Then X Men, Days of Future Past,

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Speaker 1: then X Men First Class, and then the first X

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Speaker 1: Men two thousands X Men film.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and here we go again. It's the cycle starts again, Rosie.

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Speaker 1: With the release of Deadpool at Wolverine, we've already made

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Speaker 1: our predictions to that, which is, we think that Deadpool

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Speaker 1: is going to just basically cauterize the X Men universe

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Speaker 1: with its insane, twisted cannon that we don't know what's

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Speaker 1: real and what's not and will bring them fully into

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Speaker 1: the Marvel universe, selecting whatever best bits it wants. That's

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Speaker 1: it for this episode, Thanks for listening by.

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Speaker 3: X ray.

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Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason Kncepcion and Rosie Knight and

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Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 1: Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a

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Speaker 1: Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi our discord moderator.