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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. Monday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off

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Speaker 2: right now. We got a stacked news day already. Let's

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Speaker 2: just get to some of what we're going to hit

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Speaker 2: on here. Joe Biden asked to comment on the horrific

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Speaker 2: fire in Maui and Hawaii and has a no comment

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Speaker 2: comment on it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people pointing to this and.

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Speaker 2: Saying, well, many things, but it's not a I'm not

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Speaker 2: a surprise thosers who think that Joe Biden has become

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Speaker 2: effectively a soulist puppet, or maybe he has been all along.

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Speaker 2: We will discuss that on a much less serious front.

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk versus Mark Zuckerberg. It looks like that cage

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Speaker 2: match is not going to happen right now. There was

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Speaker 2: a lot of back and forth on it over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: A smash and grab organized retail theft video out of

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Speaker 2: the topeg To mall in California went viral over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: It looked like people a mob stole tens, perhaps even

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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars of merchandise all at once.

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Speaker 2: Broad daylight doesn't care, doesn't make a difference, and I

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Speaker 2: will discuss this. Plus in New York City now, the

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Speaker 2: migrant camp, or as Iron pointing out to everybody, the

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Speaker 2: refugee camp is growing on Randall's Island. There are other

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Speaker 2: places they are thinking about building them. We have Trump

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Speaker 2: weighing in Clay on the judge in his case who

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Speaker 2: put down a protective order. Trump tweeted or truthed, she

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Speaker 2: wants me behind bars. That's in response to a protective order.

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Speaker 2: We shall discuss that people are realizing what a sham.

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Speaker 2: The special council appointment from last week looks like it

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Speaker 2: is likely to be here.

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Speaker 1: That's certainly analysis will do.

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Speaker 2: But I think Clay, we got to kick it off

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Speaker 2: today with the Fulton County District Attorney presenting to a

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Speaker 2: grand jury.

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Speaker 1: This is being reported all across.

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Speaker 2: The media, the case against Donald Trump state level charges,

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Speaker 2: which is important. We'll discuss why about the well what

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Speaker 2: CNN is calling the subversion of the twenty twenty election

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Speaker 2: in the state of Georgia. That case to be presented

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Speaker 2: to the grand jury is probably happening right now, though

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Speaker 2: I guess they may be taking lunch break or something.

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Speaker 2: But twenty people, Clay expected to be charged. We know that,

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Speaker 2: for example, in Michigan there have been state charges on

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Speaker 2: the electors' case. Sixteen people were charged there. Twenty are

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Speaker 2: expected to be charged, including Donald Trump in Atlanta for

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Speaker 2: violations of Georgia state law. And we're expecting this to

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Speaker 2: come down, perhaps today while we're doing the show, perhaps.

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Speaker 1: Later this week.

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Speaker 2: But Clay, here we have an instance of well prosecutorial

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Speaker 2: targeting for political reasons.

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Speaker 1: I think that's too obvious.

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Speaker 2: It's the fourth fourth indictment that Donald Trump would be

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Speaker 2: facing on criminal charges. If this comes down, count them, everybody.

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Speaker 2: For how much do you think this is going to

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Speaker 2: have an effect one way or the other on twenty

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Speaker 3: I think with each successive indictment, people pay less attention

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Speaker 3: to them. And what I mean by that is not

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Speaker 3: that they're becoming less significant or less serious. I just

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Speaker 3: mean that most people out there sort of have this

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of focus. I'm curious if you would

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Speaker 3: charges brought by the sitting president's Department of Justice. But

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Speaker 3: And I understand you and me and a huge percentage

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Speaker 3: of our listeners out there are following all of this

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Speaker 3: in a nuanced level and analyzing the different cases and

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Speaker 3: the timelines and everything else. Buck I think most people

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Speaker 3: They just have sort of this general sense that an

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Speaker 3: become standardized. Once you violate the precedent and have made

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Speaker 3: I've heard about this, although already I've read about it

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Speaker 3: I've seen it discussed on CNN, MSNBC, Fox as well.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing new, and I think it gets harder to

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Speaker 2: I think that's the political reality of what we're seeing

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Speaker 2: this is I don't believe anyone thinks the New York

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Speaker 2: just a book keeping dispute. It's a bookkeeping, book keeping error.

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Speaker 1: I mean it is truly.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if Donald Trump was the reincarnation of Stalin.

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Speaker 2: The New York thing is preposterous, right, Like, it's what.

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Speaker 2: However much they hate Trump, it doesn't justify what they're

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Speaker 2: doing in New York because it's completely absurd. It's it's

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Speaker 2: like trying to lock somebody up for you know, for

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Speaker 1: It's absurd.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And now we all know that the other two

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Speaker 2: federal indictments that have come down, those could be wiped

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Speaker 2: away by Trump if he were to win. You've raised

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Speaker 2: the possibility of Biden in some grand Washingtonian gesture to

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Speaker 2: have to change our assessments. I think of who Joe

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Speaker 2: But I do agree that as a strategy, that would

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Speaker 2: probably be best for the country. I mean, think about

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Speaker 2: that speech he comes forward. He says, we're gonna put

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Speaker 2: we're gonna put all of our arms down legally speaking,

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna allow the people to decide. That would

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Speaker 1: It was one hundred and one night. I always do this.

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Speaker 3: One to one hundred, is you think it's almost certain

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Speaker 2: Okay, one hundred to one odds, it's definitely not gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: But on the Georgia charges that are now imminent, and

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Speaker 2: I think I do remember people right again, like stop

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Speaker 2: know they're just going to happen, right. I mean we've

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Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. So it's just a question of when

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Speaker 2: and what they are. Because we're looking at state charges

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Speaker 2: brings in a whole lot of people. We could see

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Speaker 1: In that indictment as well.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get ahead of myself with that,

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Speaker 2: And Clay, they're saying there could be racketeering charges brought

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Speaker 1: But that may be a part of this.

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Speaker 2: They're also really honing in. I went and I read

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Speaker 2: York Times in detail, right, I mean, you know you

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Speaker 2: people say that prosecutors have texts and emails directly connecting

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Speaker 2: members of Trump's legal team to a January twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one voting system breach. Trump's people. We don't have to

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Speaker 1: Remember what the name of the area was, went to

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Speaker 2: A county election office, a rural county election office, and

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Speaker 2: The only reason I think this is interesting, Clay, there

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Speaker 2: be very broad and very severe based on the actual statute,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the defense would be we were

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Speaker 3: other angle to think about, Buck. You got charges in

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Speaker 2: I think that part of what we need to face

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Speaker 2: up to what everyone who is hoping for a just

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Speaker 2: would be Donald Trump, beats all this and then you

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Speaker 2: have Trump or another Republican, But Trump or another Republican

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Speaker 2: who wins and defeats Joe Biden. Right, that's what we

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Speaker 2: their strategy is something that will influence politics and has

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Speaker 1: For them in their minds.

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Speaker 2: They're going to bring all these there's the processes, the

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Speaker 2: Today, there's more blowback out there now with the Special

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Speaker 4: What we now know is that David Weiss, the Trump

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Speaker 3: to require them to actually do some journalism buck because

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Speaker 3: if they don't, it embarrasses them, because once the Special

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Speaker 3: Council is appointed, it at least gives a sign that

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Speaker 3: there's something there.

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Speaker 2: But I see, this is what I know, and I

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Speaker 2: went back and forth, you know, like David Marcus, who

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Speaker 2: writes for Daily Mail, We're going back and forth on

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Speaker 2: this on Twitter a little bit. You know, people that

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Speaker 2: I like in our business, they keep saying, Aha, now

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Speaker 2: we know, well yeah, I mean, sure it's confirmed, but

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Speaker 2: the Special Council is supposed to Now the problem is

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Speaker 2: they always break the rules when it fail their side, right,

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Speaker 2: so they leak, But a special Council isn't actually supposed

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Speaker 2: to leak.

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Speaker 1: So what's going to happen here?

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Speaker 2: There won't suddenly, Clay, there won't be leaks right suddenly.

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Speaker 2: This Special Council is going to be very tight lipped

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Speaker 2: about everything, and so the media is not going to

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Speaker 2: have anything to run with in terms of the stories.

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Speaker 2: And the Democrats will use oh there's a special Look

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Speaker 2: what Goldman just said. This just shows the independence of

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Speaker 2: the DOJ. Right, they have the built in talking points

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Speaker 2: I think to largely ignore this. And remember we're in

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Speaker 2: a ninety ten or even a ninety five to five

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Speaker 2: journalism environment, so I think that they will just not

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Speaker 2: talk about it very much. I mean you'll see it

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Speaker 2: on Fox News. You'll see people like me, you know,

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Speaker 2: sitting around and you sitting around saying what what?

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Speaker 1: What gives?

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Speaker 2: What's going on here? But we can't pressure CNN to

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Speaker 2: do things that doesn't want to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think yes, Look, in an ideal world there

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Speaker 3: would be something like, maybe, why wouldn't be the independent counsel?

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Speaker 3: But if perfect is the enemy of good, and it

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Speaker 3: often is, where I'm looking at it, and this is

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Speaker 3: maybe because I'm an optimist and I'm looking at it

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Speaker 3: from the glass half filled perspective. Buck, we came within

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Speaker 3: a sentilla of this judge signing off in the Hunter

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Speaker 3: Biden story vanishing. I mean, if that judge had said, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I agree, I'm going to sign off

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Speaker 3: on this, this thing's put to bed. There's no argument

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Speaker 3: surrounding it almost at all. Now that the at least

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Speaker 3: the special counsel in the rejection of the plea agreement

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Speaker 3: has kept this story out there where something approaching justice

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Speaker 3: is still possible. Even if there's a small percentage chance

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Speaker 3: of it, it's better than the zero we would have

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Speaker 3: gotten two weeks ago if she had signed off on this. Well,

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Speaker 3: if Hunter had taken that plea deal, it would have

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Speaker 3: been for granted misdemeanor, but criminal conduct, right, so that

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Speaker 3: would have been a matter of public record that he

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Speaker 3: admits to doing things. Now, Democrats would say one takes

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Speaker 3: plea deals even if they don't, even if they didn't

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Speaker 3: really do it. Because the federal system. That's a separate conversation,

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Speaker 3: but that's a part of this. But Clay, if at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, the Special Counsel runs out

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Speaker 3: the clock and doesn't bring felony charges against Hunter, the

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Speaker 3: outcome's pretty much the same. Right, Hunter gets protected, He's

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Speaker 3: gonna get this wiped away by I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: think you or I have any difference of opinion on

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Speaker 3: if this thing keeps going Joe Biden and Hunter gets

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Speaker 3: let's say indicted, or even doesn't get indicted. At some

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Speaker 3: point he's going to pardon his son before he leaves office. Right,

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Speaker 3: That's that's a guarantee, right, I mean, there's no way

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Speaker 3: he's going to just let this hang out there. So

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Speaker 3: if they delay long enough, the outcome that they would

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Speaker 3: have gotten with the judge for Hunter is the same.

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Speaker 3: And politically, I don't know, it's kind of a wash,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't I'm not sure again, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We don't know because the Special Council hasn't done what

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Speaker 3: it's going to do yet. But imagine Clay, that they

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Speaker 3: don't do anything.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that they do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where Buck I would say, Okay, so

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Speaker 3: what should happen now? I think every focus for the

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Speaker 3: Republican Party needs to shift to there has to be

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Speaker 3: an indictment file, because once an indictment is filed, the

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Speaker 3: statute of limitations no longer has the opportunity to run out.

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Speaker 3: So he's done a five year investigation. There should be

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Speaker 3: nothing more that he needs to do. There should be

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Speaker 3: an indictment almost immediately filed, which at a minimum would

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Speaker 3: allow this worry about the statute of limitations expiring to

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Speaker 3: run out. Right, So that is to me, okay, so

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Speaker 3: what should happen now? We need an actual indictment file.

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Speaker 3: And that's where I would say everybody out there, he's

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Speaker 3: done a five year investigation. He has the authority to

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Speaker 3: bring charges in any jurisdiction that he needs to bring charges.

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Speaker 3: In the challenge that you're pointing to Buck, is this one.

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Speaker 3: Do you think any jury in a left wing jurisdiction

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Speaker 3: is going to convict Hunter Biden of anything that's tough?

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Speaker 1: Not in less?

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Speaker 3: So you're not and Hunter likely knows that, and his

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Speaker 3: lawyers likely know that, so they will be able to

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Speaker 3: claim some form of vindication in the event that were

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Speaker 3: to happen. But the indictment must be filed. That's my

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Speaker 3: focus right now. That's where I think ninety nine point

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Speaker 3: nine percent of the focus should be. Bring the indictment.

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Speaker 3: It's in a football game.

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Speaker 2: There are multiple referees, right It's like Weiss was the

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Speaker 2: sideline referee who was clearly on the take for one team,

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Speaker 2: and they came in they said, Okay, okay, that's really bad.

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Speaker 2: We can't have a sideline ref who's cheating for one side.

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Speaker 2: Let's make him the head referee. That's what they've done.

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Speaker 2: He's now the head ref So I don't know why

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Speaker 2: it gets really any better, although maybe to your point

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Speaker 2: about the pressure and the indictments and everything else, maybe

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Speaker 2: now he can't hide the same way. But it really

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Speaker 2: all depends on how he conducts this special council, and

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Speaker 2: I just assume it's going to be, Oh, we have

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Speaker 2: to go back to basics here, and it's going to

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Speaker 2: take time and we have to So now we have

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Speaker 2: a whole new I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why a Republican should be putting the time

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Speaker 3: frame crunch on him, because there is no reason why

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Speaker 3: there should have to be any additional investigation done unless

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Speaker 3: they decided to bring in Joe.

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Speaker 2: Well, what pressure do they have on him? Well, like,

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Speaker 2: what are they going to do? You know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: what are they gonna say?

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come?

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Speaker 3: I mean I think Republicans should threaten to bring him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, if he allowed another statute of limitations

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Speaker 3: to run out, I think they should impeach him and

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Speaker 3: remove him from office.

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Speaker 2: Clay is not ready to believe that the entire system

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Speaker 2: is completely rotten to the court.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yes, that's true.

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Speaker 3: But I because I, at least so far, Judge Norriyeika

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Speaker 3: in Delaware did what she should have done.

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Speaker 1: She is your data point of faith in the system

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Speaker 1: to this point. That's fair. I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: others there are right now. That's all awesome. I think

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Speaker 1: that's that's fair to ask too.

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Speaker 3: But at least she put us in this situation where

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Speaker 3: there's at least the hope that Hunter Biden could would

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Speaker 3: be held accountable in some way.

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Speaker 3: Our esteemed President Joe Biden has now been on vacation

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Speaker 3: a daily basis in Hawaii, but certainly the tragedy that

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Speaker 3: a wildfire, one of the most destructive wildfires in any

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Speaker 3: of the United States could manage to stop his beach

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Speaker 3: vacation and address the fact that there was a awful tragedy.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't as if he was getting grilled Joe

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Speaker 3: the United States should be called on to react to.

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Speaker 3: But they just called out to him as he was

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Speaker 3: Biden no commented, I mean, and you want to talk Buck,

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Speaker 3: And we've talked about this a great deal on the show.

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Speaker 3: This idea that Joe Biden is this grandfatherly of vuncular

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Speaker 3: America's uncle, a very emotionally connective leader is probably the

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Speaker 3: ultimate lie of Joe Biden, because how difficult is it

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Speaker 3: to step to the cameras and comment on a tragedy

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Speaker 3: to no comment the situation in Hawaii is even for

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Speaker 3: Biden difficult to imagine.

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Speaker 2: It's indicative, though, I think, at some level of a

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Speaker 2: presidency that he doesn't really feel the need to even

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Speaker 1: It's on autopilot for him. He's on autopilot. He knows that.

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Speaker 2: And Joe Biden's never really cared about anybody but Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: Maybe his own family.

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Speaker 1: That's it. It's not surprising.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And when we come back, we'll talk about the

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Speaker 3: Biden mess. We mentioned this Nordstrom smash and dash. We've

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Speaker 3: also got the whole thing with RFK Junior. We talk

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Speaker 3: about Democrats trying to attack everyone, including other Democrats, and

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Speaker 3: will analyze the legal danger and peril both politically and

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Speaker 3: as you consider Atlanta, New York City, Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: And Florida. As we are on the.

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Speaker 3: Latest version of indictment, watch all that coming your direction.

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Speaker 3: No gain by the way, eight hundred and two eight

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Speaker 3: the Monday edition.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging sleeve. Travis and Buck Sexton on the

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Speaker 1: front lines of truth,