WEBVTT - Tech Stocks Rally and Rising Consumer Sentiment (Podcast)

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<v Speaker 1>From the heart of where innovation, money and power collive

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<v Speaker 1>in Silicon Valley and beyond. This is Bloomberg Technology with

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<v Speaker 1>Emily Jay. This is Bloomberg Technology. I'm Ed Ludlow in

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco in for Emily Chang coming up in the

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<v Speaker 1>next hour. Second half momentum is picking up steam both

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<v Speaker 1>the SMP five and has that one, posting their longest

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<v Speaker 1>streak of weekly gains since November, but earnings have shown

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<v Speaker 1>a mixed outlook for the rest of the year. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this tech rally going to last? Last? Walmart Home Depot

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<v Speaker 1>target Low's next week is a big one for retailers

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<v Speaker 1>reporting earnings. Consumer sentiment has been rough the past few months,

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<v Speaker 1>but new data suggests we're turning a corner. Will Chat

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<v Speaker 1>all Things eat commerce and competition for electric semitrucks is

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<v Speaker 1>heating up after the Senate past a roughly three d

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<v Speaker 1>and forty seven billion dollar initiative to boost the transition

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<v Speaker 1>to clean energy and cut emissions. Right now, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much Tesla versus Nikola, but tax incentives could your more

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<v Speaker 1>players into the race. But first, the Federal Bureau of

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<v Speaker 1>Investigation sees classified records, some marked top secret from former

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<v Speaker 1>President Donald Trump's Moral Lago home. That's according to a

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<v Speaker 1>copy of the warrant seen by Bloomberg. Wendy Benjaminson is

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<v Speaker 1>our deputy managing editor for Bloomberg News over in Washington. Wendy,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for joining us this Friday. Let's stick to the

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<v Speaker 1>basics here. What did we learn from the unsealed documents? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we learned not as much as one would hope. We

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<v Speaker 1>learned that they did get about two dozen boxes of

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<v Speaker 1>documents UM from from the Moral Lagoa state. We know

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<v Speaker 1>that some of them were, as you said, top secret

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<v Speaker 1>or even higher UM sensitive compartment and information, which means

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<v Speaker 1>that it's only supposed to be in a closed room,

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<v Speaker 1>shield off from cell phones and all sorts of other

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<v Speaker 1>UM interference, and those were, you know, sitting around mar

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<v Speaker 1>Lago UM. We also know that they were searching for

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of violations of three crimes, including a segment of

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<v Speaker 1>the Spionage Act. I'm not saying Donald Trump is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be charged with espionage, but there's a subsection of

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<v Speaker 1>that which relates to mishandling class by documents. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that there is evidence of that. We just know

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<v Speaker 1>that they got these documents. Wendy what is the concern here?

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<v Speaker 1>What did the d J and investigators looking at looking for? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this all started when the National Archives, which keeps presidential

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<v Speaker 1>records and then gives them to a president's library. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they have been working with Trump to representatives throughout. They

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<v Speaker 1>got the transfer of fifteen boxes in January of this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and they began looking through them and realized that there

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<v Speaker 1>was classified national security information. We don't know what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>that means yet, and UM that's prompted the Archives to

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to the Justice Department and say, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>may want to get these backs. So that's what this

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<v Speaker 1>action was. We don't know if it's going to relate

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<v Speaker 1>to any of the cases against Donald Trump. It depends

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<v Speaker 1>on I think, when we know what what the documents

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<v Speaker 1>actually show. But um, you can be sure that the

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<v Speaker 1>Justice Department will be coming through those this weekend. Wendy,

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<v Speaker 1>It's always the question. But what happens next? I think

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know as the as the answer. I'm afraid

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<v Speaker 1>we know that they will go through these and try

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what what was in here, what crimes

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<v Speaker 1>might be violated, and then they'll decide whether to charge

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<v Speaker 1>or start talking to the former president, right, but we

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<v Speaker 1>continue to follow your team's covery, Wendy over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Bloomberg's Wendy Benjaminson in d C. Thank you. That's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna check on when moth Kits ended the week with

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg's Katie Greifeld out in New York. Katie Tech ending

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<v Speaker 1>the week strong, pretty strong. It was a big risk

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<v Speaker 1>on day. As you can see from the board behind me,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't it. This is single stocks. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the indexes, for example, you saw the SMP

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred finished higher. You saw the NASAC one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>finished higher as well. There we go. You did see

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<v Speaker 1>bonds rally a little bit, but just five basis points

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<v Speaker 1>are so ad I'm gonna really just continue to fold

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<v Speaker 1>that into this risk on mood. You saw Bitcoin managed

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<v Speaker 1>to speak a little bit of a game. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the board has flipped to the after hours trade, but

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin higher. You can see it is twenty four thous

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a coin. We haven't been at those levels in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and this was again a big finish

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<v Speaker 1>to what's been a really big week. If you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the NASAC one hundred for example, this was the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth straight week of games. If you look back at

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<v Speaker 1>this chart, you see a lot of red on this screen.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the longest consecutive weekly rally since all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back in November one. So I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we're at the bowl market, but in any case, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been quite a run, especially for those tech socks. Now

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<v Speaker 1>let's look at some of those individual names. As you

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<v Speaker 1>can see, pinto a duel up top lower today. That's,

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<v Speaker 1>of course after news this morning about China delisting five

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<v Speaker 1>of its largest state owned enterprises state owned companies rather

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<v Speaker 1>from US exchanges that weight on ad R s. But

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<v Speaker 1>you go down the list again very strong. You had

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<v Speaker 1>Chips coming back. You had Peloton surging on a mark

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<v Speaker 1>German scoop of course that they're going to cut about

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred jobs, are going to shut stores, They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to raise the cost of some of their products. Just

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<v Speaker 1>part of this big overhaul that we're seeing at that company.

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<v Speaker 1>In Tesla to rallying almost five percent, maybe part of

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<v Speaker 1>the broader risk on mood in the market. Maybe because

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting married, Ed will remained to continue to watch

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<v Speaker 1>that story. But again a big move for Tesla. Thank Uktie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one m and a report that I'm able to

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<v Speaker 1>confirm or live on there. Blue Kenny grow felt out

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. Thank you. Does you point out Peloton

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<v Speaker 1>a big move, but Friday Tech broadly outperforming in equity markets.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm absolutely delighted to bringing Mel like Messino, CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>WE Family Offices, which has fifteen billion dollars in assets

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<v Speaker 1>under management. Mel, it's good to see you again. What's

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<v Speaker 1>your takeaway, Thank you? What's your takeaway from this week

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<v Speaker 1>in the markets? Well, I think that it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>great week, and actually it's been a great month for protech.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that it has to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that people are starting to believe that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get inflation under control. Inflation is what will kill

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<v Speaker 1>the earnings of tech companies, and and so I think

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<v Speaker 1>that the mood is positive because they see that inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>inflation is gonna it's going to come down. We're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of breathing a side of relief out here in San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco at the Bloomberg Bureau. Now that the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the bulk of earning season is over. If you were

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<v Speaker 1>to draw up your scorecard from earnings, particularly the mega caps,

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<v Speaker 1>what is your takeaway from this earning season, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's been mixed, but in general, h a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the companies exceeded expectations, both on the revenue side

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<v Speaker 1>and on the on the earning side. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the game is not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a revenue. The name of the game is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be earnings and what happens with earnings and earnings always

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<v Speaker 1>look backward. You know, you're you're talking about the last quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the big question with earnings is what's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen in the next two quarters. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>I think that good news about getting control over inflation

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<v Speaker 1>is what's causing this rally. You know that historically Tech

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<v Speaker 1>in the first half of the year not not the

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<v Speaker 1>best play, but then does rebound and we've kind of

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<v Speaker 1>seen that in the third quarter. Do you expect Tech

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<v Speaker 1>to continue to have momentum in the second half of

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<v Speaker 1>two It's hard for me to say it's that gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have two but I definitely see it into and what

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<v Speaker 1>where are those opportunities what will drive that? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that tech is going to be the way to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with inflation is a productivity. What's going to help

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<v Speaker 1>us with productivity is tech and you have all the

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<v Speaker 1>corporate spending money on their capits on tech, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I I think that we're gonna definitely see tech continue

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<v Speaker 1>to to improve. Now the valuation has got a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit out of controllable for and so I think that um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, interest rates, um, interest rates going up and

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<v Speaker 1>the discount rate that's implied in that in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>earnings as actually it's what's made evaluations come down well

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<v Speaker 1>now like I'm seeing a CEEO we family office. Is

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<v Speaker 1>great to have you late on a Friday, happy weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you again soon shares. The online secondhand good

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<v Speaker 1>marketplace Poshmark dropped eight percent on Thursday, the biggest decline

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<v Speaker 1>since May. The company gave a weaker than hope sales

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<v Speaker 1>forecast for the third quarter as growth has been held

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<v Speaker 1>back by higher inflation and a changing global economy. But

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<v Speaker 1>there were some bright spots, as user engagement on Poshmark

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<v Speaker 1>jumped seventy percent year on year, joining US Sprage or

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<v Speaker 1>Dan and Cars and I on the future is Poshmark

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<v Speaker 1>CEO managed changers, so managed you know, the market's clearly

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on this this sales outlook. What were the factors

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<v Speaker 1>behind that around that that pressure on sales growth. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we if you look at our Q two results, we

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<v Speaker 1>started we beat the guidance on both revenue and UH

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of came to the midpoint on the earnings.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when we look into the future we look

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<v Speaker 1>at Q three, one of the good things that's happening

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<v Speaker 1>is that we are starting to see our growth and

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<v Speaker 1>our rhythm and kidens be more like twenty nineteen, which

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<v Speaker 1>is pre COVID, which is a healthy to for poshmarkers.

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<v Speaker 1>As people are going out participate in participating in events,

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<v Speaker 1>going to weddings, you know, going back to school. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a great thing because you need fashion, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>rotate your closet, and people are going back to the

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<v Speaker 1>closet and then rotating it. So that's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're being cautious. I mean it's early. We're sort

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<v Speaker 1>of want to observe it for a few months, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's reflected in our guidance. I mean, it's remind us

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<v Speaker 1>how poshmark works. Essentially, you're pairing sellers of second handkerds

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<v Speaker 1>with buyers and second handkerds. Right, But forward me a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about the profile of of user on the platform,

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<v Speaker 1>the types of folks that are buying goods there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>poshmark is is unique in the sense that we allow

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<v Speaker 1>you to turn your closet into a shop. So it

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<v Speaker 1>really appeals to millions of people out there who have

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<v Speaker 1>a closet. I think almost everyone has a closet has

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<v Speaker 1>some excess stuff to sell, so we really make it

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<v Speaker 1>very easy to take their closet and start selling it

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<v Speaker 1>if we provide everything built into the platform is shipping,

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<v Speaker 1>payment processing, etcetera. And the beautiful thing is the item

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<v Speaker 1>goes straight from the seller to the buyer, so we

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<v Speaker 1>hold no inventory and that allows us to have an

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<v Speaker 1>extremely dynamic assortment, which has been a strong point, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>in this changing sense of fashion going into the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of it, going into from active where to work,

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<v Speaker 1>where to back to school? Where? Uh? And then on

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<v Speaker 1>the flip side, we have people who are shopping these

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<v Speaker 1>closes both for getting values and bargains, but also getting

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<v Speaker 1>access to wide assortment. Everything you want, we believe within

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's closets, so we put them all together and that's

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<v Speaker 1>past manage. I want to get into the psychology of

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<v Speaker 1>the consumer, that what what kind of lens. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>get into the health of the consumer. Are their users

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<v Speaker 1>shopping on your platform because they're feeling the pain of inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're looking to the secondhand goods market rather than

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<v Speaker 1>buying off the high street, you know, off new products.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the kind of macro characteristics that you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>in your in your users. First thing is consumers are

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<v Speaker 1>looking for value. Consumers are always looking for value, but

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<v Speaker 1>in these inflationary times, they're especially looking for value. Number

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<v Speaker 1>two is consumers preference and dastes are changing and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times traditional retail is not able to keep up.

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<v Speaker 1>And what you're seeing with a lot of first supply

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<v Speaker 1>shade famine and now sort of retail store lout is

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<v Speaker 1>this mismatch of computer supply and demand, consumer supply and demand.

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<v Speaker 1>And what we see with posh market is this ability

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<v Speaker 1>to dynamically match from the closets from people this supply

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<v Speaker 1>and demand. So that's the second thing is people looking

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<v Speaker 1>for latest trendy things and that trends are changing, but

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<v Speaker 1>they flips of the posh markets that consumers can also

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<v Speaker 1>make money and as people are sort of looking for

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<v Speaker 1>extra sources of income, wash market provide that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Told me about Poshmark parties. What is a Poshmark party?

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<v Speaker 1>So two things. We have virtual parties that are happening

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<v Speaker 1>online where people are selling together, will have a theme,

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<v Speaker 1>and thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of pop will come together.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, our evening parties are so big that I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen parties in the last few weeks that have hit

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<v Speaker 1>ten million items being listed in a single party from

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<v Speaker 1>across the country. So they are really a group selling

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<v Speaker 1>event where people are coming buying and selling together, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we take them physical. So we hosted a party

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<v Speaker 1>in l A a couple of weeks back, and next

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<v Speaker 1>week we have one in New York City, and there

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<v Speaker 1>we have hundreds of sellers who come together. They connect

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<v Speaker 1>with each other, they help each other, they learn from

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<v Speaker 1>each other, get inspired. And we also have new sellers

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<v Speaker 1>coming in where we help them activate their closets and

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<v Speaker 1>people who junge Washmark and learn there's something called closet consultation.

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<v Speaker 1>They can see how to run their online business faster.

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<v Speaker 1>So they become sort of a small manifesto of these

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<v Speaker 1>virtual events. Bloom Bag Intelligence analysts Tam Goyle is also

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<v Speaker 1>excited about poshmarks potential for growth outside of North America

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<v Speaker 1>international markets. Can you update us on the plans there? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Are Our Canadian business just hit four million users, we

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<v Speaker 1>sort of celebrated three year mark and has more than

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<v Speaker 1>a billion dollars of invntory lists, so that market is

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<v Speaker 1>coming along. And we launched in Australia India during the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic and as we are coming out of it, we

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<v Speaker 1>are seeing the engagement and physical events starting to build

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<v Speaker 1>the communities there. So we believe the para dime of

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<v Speaker 1>really finding the future of fashion inside your closet is

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<v Speaker 1>well aligned, not just in US and Canada, with other

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<v Speaker 1>countries as well. All right, well, we'll look for updates

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<v Speaker 1>on those new markets as they come online. Posh Mark, CEO,

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<v Speaker 1>Managed Chandra, thank you very much for joining us the

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<v Speaker 1>update on the second hand goods market. Meanwhile, delivery startup

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<v Speaker 1>go Path is tapping a new CFO to help it

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<v Speaker 1>become profitable. Panera Bread's CFO Ted Steadham will join the

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<v Speaker 1>same role for Gopath. According to sources, stead and work

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<v Speaker 1>that we work as global head of business Planning and

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<v Speaker 1>Financial Operations. He also served as CFO at Young Brands China.

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<v Speaker 1>Business coming up, Europe's drought will further raise energy prices

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<v Speaker 1>and disrupt trade. As the Rhine rivers water levels did

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<v Speaker 1>below a crucial mark. This is bloom. There's a guess

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<v Speaker 1>storage itself, it's not sufficient. We are facing a crisis

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment. It's been produced by the cush off

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<v Speaker 1>of Russian gas. But it tells us yet again just

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<v Speaker 1>how volatile and uncertain fossil fuel prices are. Guess press

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<v Speaker 1>will remain very high and it also may result in

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<v Speaker 1>some disruption. We cannot magically get sort of tens of

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of gigger waters of renewable energy before winter. So

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<v Speaker 1>it is a matter of saving energy, it's a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of securing sources. Spec should be more obligatory measures to

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<v Speaker 1>reduce to reduce consumption. The first step obviously is to

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<v Speaker 1>become independent Russian supplies, which in the end can only

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<v Speaker 1>be managed by additional imports, mostly llergy. Here today we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen the the reduction in the guest consumption by about

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent in the EU. I think the effect of

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<v Speaker 1>this crisis will be that Europe will be further down

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<v Speaker 1>the path to emissions reduction. So it would otherwise be

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<v Speaker 1>that some of the commentary on the energy Crunch Europe

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<v Speaker 1>is currently enduring and things don't look much better on

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<v Speaker 1>the trade front. Germany's Rhine River has dropped to a

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<v Speaker 1>level that could disrupt the transport of fuel throughout Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>The effects could ripple through the continent for months. Bloomberg's

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<v Speaker 1>Guy Johnson explains as of this afternoon here in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>the Rhine River has become impossible at the critical waypoint

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<v Speaker 1>of Cow just to the west of Frankfurt. This is

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<v Speaker 1>something that we've been anticipating for really quite some time.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see the water levels as they've been dropping

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<v Speaker 1>over the last few months. They have now dropped through

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<v Speaker 1>the critical forty centimeter points at Cab. That's just under

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen inches. That means effectively the river is no longer

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<v Speaker 1>navigable for large barges. Now, this is crucial for Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>not just for Germany, but for the whole of Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me show you what the map looks like here.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got ratted Rotterdam up here on the coast.

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<v Speaker 1>The river Rind runs through Germany through Cologne just to

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<v Speaker 1>the west of Frankfurt there's Cab and then runs through

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of Germany down towards Switzerland. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>hugely important waterway. It transports all kinds of things up

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<v Speaker 1>and down for Germany and for the whole of Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about coal, think about gas, think about diesel. All

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<v Speaker 1>of these things go up and down this river. Big

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals companies are to the east of Cow as well,

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<v Speaker 1>they will now be restricted. Big power plants that that

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<v Speaker 1>require cold to be floated up the river on barges

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<v Speaker 1>will now see those supplies restricted. This comes at a

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<v Speaker 1>time when Europe is already facing a massive energy crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that we now have drought in Europe that

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<v Speaker 1>is lowering these river levels is only going to exacerbate

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<v Speaker 1>that problem and pour further pressure on politicians to do

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<v Speaker 1>more to deal with this economic crisis that is looming

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<v Speaker 1>and getting worse and worse as we head towards winter

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<v Speaker 1>here in Europe. So, as of today, the Rhine is

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<v Speaker 1>now closed at Cow and it looked like and it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like it's not going to rain for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Boomberg's Guy Johnson in London to that update

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<v Speaker 1>on the Rhine rivers in other stories to watch, Three

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<v Speaker 1>of China's biggest state owned companies planned to delist from

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<v Speaker 1>US exchanges that's fall out from a dispute over whether

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<v Speaker 1>American regulators should be allowed to inspect audits of Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>businesses who shares are listed in the US. The three

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<v Speaker 1>companies that will delist our China Life, Petro China, and

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<v Speaker 1>Cinepec Massaoshi Sun has now lost more than four billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars on a series of ideals he set up at

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<v Speaker 1>soft Bank to boost his compensation. The Japanese billionaire took

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<v Speaker 1>the unusual step of establishing personal stakes in a series

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<v Speaker 1>of soft Bank ventures in recent years. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>mixing of company and executive interests that drew the ire

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<v Speaker 1>of investors. And Amazon, Oracle, and other data providers were

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<v Speaker 1>pressed by a group of lawmakers about how they sell

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<v Speaker 1>mobile phone location data. The companies offered assurances that the

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<v Speaker 1>information could not be used to track women seeking abortion services.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court's decision to overturn women's federal right to

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<v Speaker 1>abortion has sparks concerns that location data can be used

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<v Speaker 1>by law enforcement in states that have outlawed or restricted

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<v Speaker 1>abortion to prosecute people who seek reproductive care. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to bring you some breaking news and headlines crossing the

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg terminal. The House has enough votes to send a

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<v Speaker 1>roughly four hundred thirty seven billion dollar TACKS, climate, and

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<v Speaker 1>drug price package to President Biden's desk. The inflation reduction

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<v Speaker 1>bill is designed to boost the US transition to clean

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<v Speaker 1>energy and alleviate costs. Which had more about the bill's

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<v Speaker 1>impact on electric vehicles later this hour. This is Boomberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Ed Lovelow in San Francisco for more on

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<v Speaker 1>Peloton's news. Let's bring in Bloomberg's Jackie Deavlos, who's out

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<v Speaker 1>in d C. Jackie, what do we learn from Peloton

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday? Absolutely well, for customers, you know, prices are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be hyked up, and it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>reversal from what we saw in April when we saw

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<v Speaker 1>price cut for the bike and the treadmill UM. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you were looking for a deal, you may have

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<v Speaker 1>missed out on that one. But it's really part of

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<v Speaker 1>this broader plan to shift more of its costs from

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<v Speaker 1>the hardware side of the business to higher margin memberships.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, layoffs are expected to impact around eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred people, mostly Constant traded, and you know the customer

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<v Speaker 1>service and distribution and UM delivery type functions and this

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<v Speaker 1>is a really bigger picture part of this broader strategy

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<v Speaker 1>to overhaul the cost structure and redirect more of its

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<v Speaker 1>capital to research and development. You know the memo to

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<v Speaker 1>employees that Barry McCarthy uh sent earlier today, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he outlines this rationale that you know, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>spur innovation to spur revenue growth, and that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be key, especially when they've been burning so much capital.

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<v Speaker 1>Barry McCarthy, the Peloton CEO, said in this internal memo

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<v Speaker 1>that cash is oxygen and oxygen is life. And clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're worried about that. They're operating health if

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<v Speaker 1>you will. But what's the why the context here, Jackie?

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<v Speaker 1>They did layoffs in February as well. Is it that

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<v Speaker 1>the demand for the product has disappeared, that people just

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<v Speaker 1>simply aren't using Peloton hardware anymore? You know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a company aation of things. The economic outlook has

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<v Speaker 1>certainly shifted since the beginning of the year. And when

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<v Speaker 1>he joined earlier in February, you know, it was already

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<v Speaker 1>undergoing this major turnaround plan, but it wasn't really sure

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<v Speaker 1>where some of the pain points were. Was it demand,

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<v Speaker 1>was it just kind of this broader grim outlook. And

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<v Speaker 1>what we're seeing now is that you know, they signaled

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<v Speaker 1>they expect demand to soften going forward, and when consumer

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<v Speaker 1>spend is really on the line, a luxury premium product

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<v Speaker 1>like Peloton is more vulnerable, and you know, so future

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<v Speaker 1>growth is somewhat hanging in the phrase, especially um. You

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<v Speaker 1>know they've signaled that sales aren't going to be as

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<v Speaker 1>strong now when it comes to saving money. This is

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<v Speaker 1>where uh, you've seen somewhat of a vacillating in strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when they upped that membership cost earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>in April, UM, that was signaling that, look, this is somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an area that they want to tap going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>It's higher margin, it's recurring, predictable revenue. So you're definitely

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<v Speaker 1>going to start to see them lean into that as

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<v Speaker 1>the demand side of the picture becomes more uncertain. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>investors certainly like what they saw the stock jumping almost

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen percent Bloomberg's Jackie Devil loss. How in d C,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you have a great weekend. Let's turn to retail earnings.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots coming up next week from the likes of Walmart

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<v Speaker 1>and Macy's. So let's take a little look ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what to expect with Nicky Baird, VP of

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<v Speaker 1>strategy for the global retail technology company app Toss, and

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<v Speaker 1>my good mate Bloomberg Zone Brending Case out in Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>and Brendan, I'm gonna start with you. You You know this

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<v Speaker 1>is the week for you, right, You're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>at your desk. I know you're going to be just

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<v Speaker 1>so much coffee, so much coffee, bracing for what's to come.

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<v Speaker 1>But actually we already have a good sense of what's come,

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<v Speaker 1>don't we. That's exactly right. It is gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>big week, but it's going to be a week that's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a sequel to an announcement that Walmart made

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<v Speaker 1>a few weeks ago in which it Warren that as

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<v Speaker 1>profits were going to be down more than expected. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason for that is that inflation is just hitting

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<v Speaker 1>people really hard and it's leaving them with less money

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<v Speaker 1>to spend, especially on general merchandise as opposed to groceries. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think what we'll what we'll be looking for

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<v Speaker 1>next week, We'll be looking for any kind of clues

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<v Speaker 1>or commentary they offer about how they see the state

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<v Speaker 1>of the consumer and and and and how people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to hold up or not as

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the year goes on. So we've already

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<v Speaker 1>heard from Amazon, the big sort of e commerce giant. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in the year, we spoke to Annie Jassey and

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<v Speaker 1>this was his kind of assessment of the inflation story.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a listened. We thought that inflation would started to

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<v Speaker 1>attenuate Ino, and with the war in Ukraine, it just

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<v Speaker 1>went the other way and has significantly accelerated. So the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of trucking and line hol ocean and air and

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<v Speaker 1>fuel has just substantially gone up. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>will all tenuate at some point. No one no is

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<v Speaker 1>how long that will take. So Nikki I played that

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<v Speaker 1>sound bite which was from June, the first week of June,

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<v Speaker 1>because it seems like in some sense, the paw for

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<v Speaker 1>inflation court retailers off guard a little bit. Did did

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<v Speaker 1>the industry just kind of get inflation and how the

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<v Speaker 1>consumer reacted wrong? I don't know that they necessarily got

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<v Speaker 1>the inflation part wrong. I mean a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>goods that are on shelves in June were things that

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<v Speaker 1>were purchased before gas prices really went up. Before some

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<v Speaker 1>of those stronger things really hit that drove prices up

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<v Speaker 1>in other places, like in grocery where the supply chains

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<v Speaker 1>much shorter. But I do think it surprised them how

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<v Speaker 1>much consumer demand there was and how much consumers were

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<v Speaker 1>still willing to spend um, you know, as things opened

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<v Speaker 1>up more. I think we're starting to see the impact

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<v Speaker 1>of that now where July I think isn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>be as strong retail sales as June was. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>it is inflation biting into that, just scretionary spending, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think as well, some of it is everybody's on vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's out traveling, They're shifting their spending to other places. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Nicky Bed VP of Strategy, adopt toss and Bloomberg's brending

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<v Speaker 1>case of course, thanks to you both. Happy weekend. Coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about Ethereum's winning streak and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is the merge finally happening? Really more than that? Next?

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg alright, time for our crypto report now,

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 1>and EFA jumps ten this week for a sixth straight

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<v Speaker 1>week of gains. This in anticipation of ground breaking software

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 1>upgrade to its blockchain Ethereums upgrade has been long awaited,

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and news around it has been welcomed by investors. We've

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>pushed its token price up by roughly over the past month.

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 1>That's bringing Bloomberg's David Pan out in New York for

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<v Speaker 1>more David. Everyone's been weighing in on this, the merge.

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<v Speaker 1>It's close, it's exciting, Ethereums all over the shop. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it actually going to happen? Right? So, the merge has

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<v Speaker 1>been on the roadmap of the Ethereum Blocked and Projects

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<v Speaker 1>Development UM since its inception twenties fifteen. There have been

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<v Speaker 1>several dealays in the past several years and UM there

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<v Speaker 1>has been a suspicion of the time of the merge,

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<v Speaker 1>but based on the conversations with investors and developers that

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 1>there are more confident than ever that the merger way

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<v Speaker 1>happened in the next couple of months, based on a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of reasons. And firstly, we've seen the merge on

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<v Speaker 1>the test nets being completed with without major technical at chist,

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>which is a promising sign that shows the merch will

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<v Speaker 1>actually happened in the near future. A Secondly, if we

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<v Speaker 1>look at the derivatives market, in particular the ether options

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>market we're seeing a lot of investors who are betting

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>on a price hike during around the time of the merch.

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>So those those two things kind of indicate that, you know, um,

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.439
<v Speaker 1>there's a fairly high confidence level for the merch to

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<v Speaker 1>happen in the near future. Well, it seems like investors

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>a positioning for this to happen right there, that trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get in because they anticipate further upward movement in ethereum.

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:37.679
<v Speaker 1>But then there's a school of thought that when it

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<v Speaker 1>actually happens, we'll see a crash. Explain that logic to us. Yes,

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>So um, so you know, like, um, there's a say

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 1>in the crypto space, you know, sell the news. Um

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day. I mean, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to remember that crypto market is highly speculative market, and

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of hot money, speculative capital, you know, will

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<v Speaker 1>be going from the large scale investors into the market

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<v Speaker 1>around the time when the merge happened, because you're in

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<v Speaker 1>search of our charge opportunities in the time of high volatility.

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Another reason might be that you know, um, there might

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>be other potential technical difficulties for glitches happening after the merge,

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>which would discourage investors to invest more, to put more

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>money into the into the project. So those are the

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>two major reasons, um, you know, based on my conversations

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>with investors and core developers behind the project. Alright, all

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<v Speaker 1>eyes on ethereum then Bloombergs David Penn, thank you, have

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>a great weekend in New York. Let's look at the

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<v Speaker 1>week that was in the world of electric vehicles, with

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<v Speaker 1>Nicola beating expectations last weekend, announcing his active shake up

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>this week, and Rivian cutting its annual earnings forecast saying

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<v Speaker 1>it would have a larger than previously guided loss on

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<v Speaker 1>inflationary wose. And now we'll talk about the Inflation Reduction

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Acts which Congress has just voted to pass and pass

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<v Speaker 1>onto the President Biden in his desk, which the President says,

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>according to headlines crossing the Bloomberg, he will sign next week.

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<v Speaker 1>The bill could deliver a boost to electric commercial vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>in this macro environment. Joining me now is Olfsakker's general

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<v Speaker 1>partner at Red Blue Capital, a VC focused on early

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<v Speaker 1>stage companies in the mobility and automotive space, and Bloomberg

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Zone Car's stock out on the East Coast. So you

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<v Speaker 1>and I are laugh have discussed this bill through its passage.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your reaction now that it seems real and done. So,

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 1>there are a few things that are happening all at once.

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<v Speaker 1>The one is that there's a lot of political jostling

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>in order to get the steel through um and it

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>creates a short term confusion because it kind of immediately

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 1>changes the subsidiary regime, changes the rules around it um

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and and that's going to create abit of fusion in

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<v Speaker 1>the NYOTA. It does correct for some of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that were problematic in the pre existing EV subsidies, that

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>there were effectively regressive, that wealthy people were the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that could afford high end you know howmer evs and Tesla's,

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>and yet you know those aren't necessarily the people you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be subsidizing with tax dollars. Now, the bill

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<v Speaker 1>is shifting the thresholds for who qualifies and which vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>qualify to be more focused on the middle class. But

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<v Speaker 1>it is still fundamentally regressive in a sense. Why do

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<v Speaker 1>you believe I think your school of thought is that

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<v Speaker 1>it misses the point that actually there's a much broader

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<v Speaker 1>section of the global automotive market that needs attention, that

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<v Speaker 1>needs more support to electrify. It's not just the automotive market.

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I think what you need to think about is what

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<v Speaker 1>is the point of cars? They move people, and they

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<v Speaker 1>to some extent move goods, especially if somebody's going to

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Walmart or something, they're they're hauling stuff in their vehicle.

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>But what we should be focusing on if we care

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<v Speaker 1>about climate and the two things that are attentioned in this,

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<v Speaker 1>well we can get to them. One is America first,

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<v Speaker 1>like these policies around American manufacturing, etcetera. And the other

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>is around climate. But if you care about that second bucket,

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<v Speaker 1>the climate bucket, would you care about is not electrifying vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>not making cars that people own the drive four percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the time electric, would rather electrifying miles. And the

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<v Speaker 1>miles that really matter are the ones that are driven

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<v Speaker 1>by fleets of various kinds, whether it's commercial fleas, trucks,

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>delivery vans, but also fleets like Scuta, fleets in cities

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 1>like San Francisco, which are also high utilization, and also

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 1>for delivery of food. Company like door Dash is doing

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 1>one point six billion trips a year. You know, why

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>isn't there focused on commercializing those trips. It's subsidizing those

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 1>trips through these kinds of subsidies. So a big focus

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<v Speaker 1>on the consumer. I want to bring Bloomberg, Bloomberg's Carl

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<v Speaker 1>Stock into the conversationating Kyle, you know, give us a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of where we're at in electrification in America. You

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<v Speaker 1>write fantastic story last week that basically points out that

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<v Speaker 1>fuel anywhere in the States but on the West Past,

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 1>for example. And you want to take a road trip,

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<v Speaker 1>a classic American road trip in an e V, It's

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<v Speaker 1>not that easy. Yeah. Well, I think EV adoption is

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of ahead of where the narrative is. I

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>think Americans are open to these vehicles, but the charging

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure here is still a big challenge. We lag China, Europe,

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>South Korea, even Japan when it comes to the number

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>of places to charge a vehicle quickly, um, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the Tesla universe. So that's because we haven't

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 1>had subsidies like this in the past. We haven't had

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<v Speaker 1>you know, rebuff policy like they have in Scandinavia and

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>in China. UM to really put these cords out there

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<v Speaker 1>in the wild, and not just that you know, whole

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<v Speaker 1>foods or the gym or Um your office, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the National Park at the Grand Canyon, you know that's

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>still kind of off the map for someone taking a

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Navy road trip right now. So you know, this build

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 1>speaks to that. But Biden's giant infrastructure package also speaks

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 1>to that five billion dollars that's going to start to

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>be deployed this autumn um should help cover a lot

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 1>of those EV deserts, but we're not really there yet

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>in terms of where you can go in these vehicles.

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<v Speaker 1>The other area is this whole energy crisis and and

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the motivation to move to e v s. In your

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.399
<v Speaker 1>reporting in recent weeks and months, what do you see

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<v Speaker 1>in the US consumer in terms of their willingness to

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 1>transition to evs their ability to afford an e v

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>The affordability is a huge chunk of it. I mean,

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 1>these cars are they were expensive to begin with, They're

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<v Speaker 1>getting more expensive now because of the supply crisis because

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:55.879
<v Speaker 1>dealerships can add on these market adjustment rates um and

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>even if you're paying a sticker price, you're waiting months

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>for one of these cars. So that's a big issue.

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>A big thing in the bill, that pattern that is

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<v Speaker 1>going through now is a provision for a rebate for

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>use dvs. And this is massive, Like anyone in the

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 1>AVA universe is thrilled about this because in America, seven

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 1>percent of cars that are purchased are pre owned, so

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 1>this is the lion's share of the market. So to

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of have something that speaks to that buyer could

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 1>move the needle drastically for the for the space. So

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of consumer side of the story from Kyle.

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>And again, you know, your point is that you we

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't just focus on cause. So if I said to you,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a pen, go back and rewrite the bill as

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<v Speaker 1>you would have written it, what would you have put

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<v Speaker 1>in that to hit those targets reducing emissions and advancing

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>a transition to sustainable energy. Yeah, I think the focus

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<v Speaker 1>on you know, going to a national park or something

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:03.320
<v Speaker 1>like that is not how people actually use cars. Cause

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 1>are designed today for family to go to a picnic,

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 1>right and have all this trunk space and all the

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>kids in the car. But in reality, most of the

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>vehicles are actually being used to commute, or they're being

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:18.799
<v Speaker 1>used for trips that people take for retail um and

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>usually there's only one person driving that car. Um and

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:25.760
<v Speaker 1>so I wrote a book, and the book is basically

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<v Speaker 1>about the transition to what I call the trip economy. Basically,

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.879
<v Speaker 1>these trip marketplaces that bring things to you or take

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 1>your places Uber, Amazon, Door, Dash, These all different ways

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 1>in which you can buy trips for specific purposes. And

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>this trip economy rationalizes all the efficiencies in efficiencies of

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.359
<v Speaker 1>car ownership. Car ownership is extremely wasteful. Think about all

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 1>the metal that's being moved all the way to take

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you anywhere that you're going. That's just unnecessary. Um and

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and the real opportunity is to not electrify the energy

0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that's being used to move all that weight, but actually

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<v Speaker 1>to change how much energy is needed in the first

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<v Speaker 1>place to move people and goods for the economic purposes

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>of growing the economy, etcetera. So, if I were to

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<v Speaker 1>rewrite the bill, I'd be focused on those kinds of opportunities.

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>UM focus on commercial fleets. And how do you accelerate electrification?

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 1>If you look at where electrification is really happening today,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's buses and cities they've already close to those

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:26.240
<v Speaker 1>buses have already transitioned. UM. If you look at Amazon,

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned Rivian before they made a massive purchase of

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Rivian vehicles UM, and that's really what what is the

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.760
<v Speaker 1>tailwind behind rivian um. Those those are the use cases

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>that really have rapid adoption, and those vehicles are the

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>ones that are doing high amounts of miles door dashes

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 1>using e bikes in many cities to deliver goods, and

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:49.320
<v Speaker 1>they're bundling the amounts the packages that are being delivered

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 1>so you don't have to Instead of having consumers take

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 1>individual trips to a store, you have multiple trips being

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>bumbled into one one ride. And similarly with Uber you

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:01.240
<v Speaker 1>sing in London under pressure from uh the from TfL

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 1>that it was actually much more quickly electrifying than than

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.359
<v Speaker 1>consumer flee. So that's that's if you want to show

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>electric miles to electric education, that's that's a lot of

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the things you should be focusing on. We could have

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 1>spoken about this all night, all weekend, perhaps big thanks

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to a Love Secres, general partner at Red Blue Capital

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and Bloomberg's Kyle Stock, good mate of mine out on

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the East Coast. Thanks to you both. Well, that does

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<v Speaker 1>it for this edition of Bloomberg Technology Monday. We have

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