1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and this is short Stuff, and we finally 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: tackle one of the most important concepts of our time. Hungry. 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: It's real. It's a thing, Yeah, definitely is. It's not 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: just something people say in their marriage to poke fun 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: at their spouse or their partnership. It is something that 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: is real and it all has to do with physiological things, 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: the the makeup of your human body and the fuel 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: that it runs on, and the fact that when you 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: don't have it, things change. Yeah. They so we're not 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: exactly sure what, like how the mechanism, the physical mechanism 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: of being hungry translates into anger or hostility. There's some 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: really good theories, but there is like a physiological basis 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: for that, and that when you have me of glucose 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: blood sugar um, your your body uses that is energy 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: to power all sorts of stuff. But when that's low, uh, 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: systems start to get kind of shut down. On the periphyry. 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: And sometimes one of those systems, they think is um 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: self control, because self control can often require a tremendous 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: amount of energy, and when you don't have self control 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: sometimes it's difficult to be polite to some people. Absolutely. Uh. 22 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: The other thing that can happen is the hypothalamus, which 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: is the part of the brain, uh that you know 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: involves hormone production as well as a lot of other stuff. Uh, 25 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: it gets sort of out of whack and throws hormones 26 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: out of whack and can suppress serotonin, which is everyone 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: knows is the field good neurotransmitter. And if you're all 28 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden not processing serotonin, then you're probably gonna 29 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: get the very least moody and maybe even angry. Yes, Supposedly, 30 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: for your serotonin um like production to really take a hit, 31 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: your blood sugar has to drop really quickly from like 32 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: a hundred milligrams a desci leader to fifty five milligrams 33 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: a desci leader, which that seems like a precipitous drop. Yes, 34 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: and by the way, quick In show correction, we said 35 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: grams of caffeine instead of milligrams in which one was 36 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: that the Energy Drinks Energy Drinks episode, So yeah, we 37 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: were saying people were drinking a hundred and sixty grams 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: of caffeine. Somebody wrote in and said, I'm just trying 39 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: to imagine what I would feel like before my heart exploded. 40 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: Uh So, anyway back to this, Um, Cortisol is another 41 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: thing that can be a culprit if you have too 42 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: much cortisol going on, which can happen when you have 43 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: low blood sugar. That's a stress hormone. So you know, 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've got one thing being depleted, 45 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: which is serotonin. You've got the other thing in the 46 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: opposite direction, the cortisol being increased. And it's pretty obvious 47 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: where that's obvious, where that's gonna lead a big fight. 48 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: You know where it's gonna lead. Chuck, It's gonna lead 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: us right into a commercial break, all right, change to Chuck, 50 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: just like the stars the sky so much so, Chuck, 51 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: we should shout out our former friends and colleagues, well, 52 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: former colleagues, still friends. I'd like to think how stuff works, 53 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: UM for helping us out with this episode. There are 54 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: multiple articles on how stuff works about hanger or being angry, 55 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: and they basically created a study bonanza that just it's 56 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: a buffet of studies trying to figure out how to 57 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: prove that hunger turns into hanger UM, and some of 58 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: them are pretty lame actually, even though they've been published 59 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: in some pretty legitimate journals. Agreed, Um, I think what 60 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: they all do those a show that hanger is real. 61 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, some of them are great, but let's let's 62 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: talk about them. Yeah, they're just trying to get the 63 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: design down and no one's really cracked the code yet. Like, 64 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: for example, there was one from two fourteen that appeared 65 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: in the p N A. Y S. The journal UM 66 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: that studied a hundred and seven couples. They measured their 67 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: gluecoast levels twice a day, okay, and then to measure 68 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: how aggressive they were, they said, hey, here's a voodoo doll. 69 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: Do what you will with it, right, Well, a voodoo 70 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: doll of your partner or spouse. I think they use 71 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: married couples, but I'm sure it's the same for for 72 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: non married couples. But uh yeah, they said, here's foodoo dolls, 73 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: here's a bunch of pins. Um, yeah, do what you want. 74 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: And what they found was, uh, when the person was 75 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: super angry, they were jam and pins all over the 76 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: face and body of their partner's doll. Right. And then 77 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: they also did a supplementary thing where they put the 78 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: part there's in separate rooms and gave them each the 79 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: ability to crank the volume up on some music in 80 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: the other partners chamber, and um, the ones who are 81 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: hungry or used more pins in the voodoo doll and 82 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: turned the decibels up higher than people who weren't hungry. Um. 83 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: And of course they made it so that the person 84 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: just thought they were turning the volume up, they weren't 85 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: actually affecting the volume, which is hilarious but man alive. Yeah, 86 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: like take this, Emily, right, like jamming pins in a doll, 87 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: like cranking a bad music. Yeah, here's some nickel Back 88 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: for you. Are we all still making fun of Nickelback? Yeah? Sure, 89 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: I think that's okay. Okay. I didn't know if there 90 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: was like a rehabilitation that I had not not noticed. Oh, 91 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. Now they're still They're still terrible, Okay. 92 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: I feel bad for those guys at the same time. Yeah, 93 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: I think they're like multi multi, multi millionaires though, and 94 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: I get the impression they don't really care. Yeah, because 95 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: you can't feel sorry for anyone that has a lot 96 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: of money, right, No. Um. There were some other studies here. 97 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: One was UM from O how State that basically UM 98 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: and a lot of this is correlation, of course, and 99 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 1: not causation. But uh, they found that UM self control 100 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: was linked to glucose levels in the brain, so people 101 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: who drank a beverage high in glucose was less aggressive 102 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: than people who didn't. UM. I don't know if that's 103 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: like any sort of suggestion, like to drink a sugary 104 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: drink to keep you sort of chilled out. I'm not sure. 105 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about this one. I'm with you. There 106 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: was also one that UM I think linked diabetes to 107 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: glucose metabolism obviously UM, but that it's they tied it 108 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: to aggressiveness and decreased self control as well, so that 109 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: that kind of supports the previous study. But it's kind 110 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: of surprising, actually, I guess I wonder if people who 111 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: have type two diabetes are more prone to hungry nous 112 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: than other people. Yeah. Maybe. Uh. This two thousand eighteen 113 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: study was published by the American Psychological Association in the 114 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: journal Emotion. This one I think I understand, but I'm 115 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: not positive. Uh. Here's what they did, and maybe you 116 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: can explain the kicker for me. Uh. There were a 117 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: couple of experiments, and these were online experiments, so it's 118 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: always a little bit jankie. But they showed four hundred 119 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: participants in image that was supposed to kind of clearly 120 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: be either positive, negative or neutral. Uh, and then an 121 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: ambiguous image in this case they use Chinese pictographs and 122 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: then said rate that according to like how pleasant it 123 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: is to you on a scale of one to seven, 124 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: and then tell us how hungry you are. Uh. And 125 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: this is where I just don't quite get what it 126 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: was as far as being primed. It wasn't very well explained. 127 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: Can you explain it? I can't actually, So so what 128 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: they did was they found that the hungry year the 129 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: people were, um, the more likely they were to give 130 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: that ambiguous image like a terrible rating right like they were. 131 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: They interpreted it as like negative or something like that 132 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: rather than neutral or positive. But only they really only 133 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: saw this effect when the people who were hungry had 134 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: seen that negative image first. So, so what the what 135 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: the researchers are saying is that when you're angry, um, 136 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: you feel like, um, you're you're mean to somebody. But 137 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't just come out of the blue, like if 138 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: your spouse comes up to you and tells you how 139 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: much they love you and gives you a hug, you're 140 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: probably not going to react with hostility. But if you're 141 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: hungry and your spouse comes up and criticizes you, there's 142 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: a good chance you're going to overreact and like be 143 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: a jerk in response, and that is angry. So that 144 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: was kind of the the upshot of what they were saying. Okay, 145 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: so there's like a context basically, that's to it. Yeah, 146 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: exactly that there there needs to be a primer for 147 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: angry nous to come about. But yes, still, if you're hungry, 148 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: you're more likely to be hostile if you're primed with 149 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: something negative. First, all right, well that makes sense. Um. 150 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: There was one in Europe that is to me, these 151 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: speak to me a little bit more because they're just very, 152 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: very rudimentary, and that they asked people to track their 153 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: emotions very simply track your emotions five times a day 154 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: for three weeks on this app and let us know, 155 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: like you're eating habits at the same time. And they 156 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: basically said that like fifty six of your sort of 157 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: negative feelings or irritability is due to the fact that 158 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: you your blood sugar was probably low. Inn't that nuts? 159 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: Fifty of your jerky nous over that week or month 160 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. Three weeks um can be attributed to just 161 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: being hungry at the time. Yeah, I find I'm most 162 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: critical with myself as a father and like when I 163 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: just don't do the right thing as a dad, as 164 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: when I'm busy doing something else and I'm like being interrupted. 165 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: Like if I'm like just trying to get this work 166 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: email out or something, I can like be a jerk. Um. 167 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: But I'm curious to see if food is also playing 168 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: a part there, yeah, because I mean it could be 169 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: stress or being under a deadline. But yeah, I wonder too. 170 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to create your own study with the 171 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: app and pretend you're from Central Europe too. But it's 172 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: weird though, because I'm also Emily has more of an app, 173 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: is more apt to be angry than me. Uh, food 174 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: is more um, not important, but it has that effect 175 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: on her more than it does for me, and that 176 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: for an overweight guy. I can skip meals all day long. 177 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: I can even do a fast and I don't feel 178 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: like it really affects my emotions that much. I mean 179 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: that sounds to me like Emily is just more sensitive 180 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: to blood sugar. Probably you are, you know, yeah, yeah, 181 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: or maybe HER's just drops more precipitously than yours does. 182 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: Who knows. Yeah, there may be like a literal physiological difference. 183 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: But the upshot of all of these buddies seems to 184 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: be that, um, we lose self control when we're hungry, 185 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: and that's that's a big trigger for angry nous. But 186 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: at the same time, they've kind of shown that you 187 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: can defuse being angry by just being self aware. Studies 188 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: have kind of investigated if you show somebody that they're 189 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: mad and hungry, are they going to like, are they 190 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: more likely to lash out? And they found no, Like, 191 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: if you know, I'm being a jerk right now because 192 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm hungry, then you're probably less prone to actually follow 193 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: through on your jerky behavior. Yeah, and I think that's 194 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: probably true for most reasons, Like if Emily was like, hey, 195 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: you're trying to get something done and you're being very 196 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: impatient with ruby, has nothing to do with hunger. I 197 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: think just about self awareness, which is always a good 198 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: thing to try and model. Definitely, just ask yourself, why 199 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: do I feel this way? Be curious about yourself. There's 200 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: all sorts of neat stuff you can learn. Yeah, or 201 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: stick your head in the sand and never grow. That's right. Uh, 202 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: Chuck just laughed charmingly, and I've got nothing else, so 203 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: that means it's the end of short stuff. Stuff you 204 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: Should Know is a production of I Heart Radio. 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