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Speaker 1: cheese slid completely off Trump's cracker yesterday in Derry, New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: The first time I ever posited in private that his

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Speaker 1: The first time I ever posited in public that his

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Speaker 1: I did for Vanity Fair in twenty sixteen, called could

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Speaker 1: what the next step down is mentally or psychologically or

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Speaker 1: intellectually From no, he could not pass a sanity test,

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Speaker 1: but Trump has now reached it. One speech, four statements

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Speaker 1: signs of possible tertiary syphilis. And while a new front

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Speaker 1: me to introduce you to my friend the vesting clause

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Speaker 1: of Article two, Section one in a moment while that's happening,

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Speaker 1: we need to make Trump's accelerating mental instability and clear

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Speaker 1: as shown in these separate insane remarks in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 2: Come for us.

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Speaker 1: You know how you spell us?

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Speaker 2: Right? You spell us US?

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Speaker 1: I just picked that up. Has anyone ever thought of

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Speaker 2: I just picked that up a couple of days. I'm

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Speaker 2: reading and I said US, and I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: Tune in tomorrow. And Trump becomes the first man ever

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Speaker 1: to discover there's no I in team or in FDR.

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Speaker 2: They said that was one of the greatest speeches since FDR.

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Speaker 2: You know, FDR was a great speaker. Right here was

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Speaker 2: But he was an elegant, beautiful, eloquent, elegant and eloquent.

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Speaker 1: So he couldn't remember why Franklin D. Roosevelt sat and

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Speaker 1: But at least he got his initials right. And the

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Speaker 1: madness of King Trump is not limited to stuff in

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Speaker 2: Victor orbon did anyone ever hear of him? He is

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Speaker 2: probably like one of the strongest leaders anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 2: And he he's the leader of right he's the leader

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Speaker 1: Victor Orbon rules Hungary, receptiep Erdiwan rules Turkey unless Trump

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Speaker 1: meant Keith Urban a reminder, this is all in the

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Speaker 2: I don't mind being Nelson Mandela because I'm doing it

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Speaker 1: It is amazing to state allowed that a man who

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Speaker 1: A second and probably a third time to state that

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Speaker 1: that man has delusions of grandeur. But if Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: You don't have to vote. Don't worry about voting. The voting.

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Speaker 1: There is no greater defense available against the various charges

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Speaker 1: on this issue. Trump's mental incapacity has been documented since childhood,

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Speaker 1: spokesman John Miller or Trump Vice president John Barron. Only

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Speaker 1: veteran Republican operative Ed Rollins, who was consulting Trump's campaign

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Speaker 1: He may also be the first political figure in our

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Speaker 1: still embryonic bids to disqualified Trump under Section three, the

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Speaker 1: rebellion Clause in the fourteenth Amendment. Now there is another

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Speaker 1: legal maneuver involving the Constitution designed to get Judge Tanya

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Speaker 1: along with this monarchist madness that Trump cannot be prosecuted

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Speaker 1: because he had quote absolute immunity because he happened to

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Speaker 1: Washington prosecution be dismissed. Now it's not likely to be,

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Speaker 1: but at some point in one of the prosecutions, one

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Speaker 1: And Judge Michael Luddig wants to make sure you remember

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Speaker 1: that when it does, you need to hit Trump over

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Speaker 1: the head with the executive vesting clause in the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: It is so simple an argument that you would likely

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Speaker 1: right past this clause for fifty four years now. Quote

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Speaker 1: that fundamental premise of the vesting clause. You lose, you leave,

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Speaker 1: that threatens the greatest danger to public interests outside this case,

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Speaker 1: In short, this prosecution is about far more than just

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Speaker 1: in fact garrotted Donald Trump. He has admitted confessed pleaded

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Speaker 1: pretty much the entirety of Jack Smith. This entire election

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Speaker 1: miss Powell was not my attorney and never was, a

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Speaker 1: the Roger Clemens Mike Piazza broken bat story from the

431
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Speaker 1: two thousand World Series twenty three years ago this past Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and I should do it before the baseball season is

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Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes over first time for the

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Speaker 1: daily roundup of the miss Grants Morons Undonning Kruger Effect

435
00:29:34,395 --> 00:29:38,555
Speaker 1: specimens who constitute today's worst persons of the Wroom. The

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00:29:38,595 --> 00:29:45,275
Speaker 1: Bronze Maha Dakiel, Tom Cruise's agent, demoted by her agency CAA.

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00:29:45,435 --> 00:29:49,235
Speaker 1: She was head of Motion Pictures there co head after

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Speaker 1: she reposted an Instagram story about the Middle East War

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Speaker 1: with the notation quote you're currently learning who supports genocide? Unquote.

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00:29:56,715 --> 00:29:59,995
Speaker 1: Dakiel then posted a fulsome apology, fulsome to the point

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Speaker 1: of unbelievable. I made a mistake with a repost in

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00:30:03,075 --> 00:30:07,875
Speaker 1: my Instagram story which you used hurtful language. I'm sorry

443
00:30:07,915 --> 00:30:11,475
Speaker 1: for the pain I have caused. Choice of words is important, etc.

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00:30:12,155 --> 00:30:13,355
Speaker 2: Etc. Etc.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she didn't know what genocide means. Oh, that's what

446
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Speaker 1: it means. I don't know. It was like gen X

447
00:30:20,315 --> 00:30:24,875
Speaker 1: or gen z jen o side. Here's a question your

448
00:30:24,915 --> 00:30:28,315
Speaker 1: Cruise or your Reese Witherspoon or one of our other clients,

449
00:30:28,795 --> 00:30:30,995
Speaker 1: and you want to deal with this being asked of

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Speaker 1: you for the rest of your career. The runners up

451
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Speaker 1: It's a tie. Robert Sepolski. He is a Stanford neurobiologist.

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00:30:40,755 --> 00:30:42,515
Speaker 1: And know he did not say something stupid about the

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Speaker 1: war or swerve out of his lane. Apparently he's a

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Speaker 1: great guy. All he said was that after forty years

455
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Speaker 1: of studying human behavior from that almost chromosome level, he's

456
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Speaker 1: got bad news for you. There is no free will.

457
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Speaker 1: If you drive a car into a crowd of protesters,

458
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Speaker 1: it's the same as having a heart attack, losing control

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00:31:00,675 --> 00:31:04,075
Speaker 1: of the car and driving into the protesters just the same.

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00:31:05,035 --> 00:31:07,355
Speaker 1: Or in the example that he used, if you go

461
00:31:07,435 --> 00:31:09,515
Speaker 1: into his office and pick up a pen on his desk,

462
00:31:09,835 --> 00:31:13,355
Speaker 1: it's actually just the inevitable result of an endless series

463
00:31:13,515 --> 00:31:17,835
Speaker 1: of centuries of what amount to biological algorithms that predisposed

464
00:31:17,875 --> 00:31:20,795
Speaker 1: you to do that. Thus, there are no morals, there

465
00:31:20,835 --> 00:31:24,755
Speaker 1: are no ethics, no God, and well, look on the

466
00:31:24,755 --> 00:31:29,035
Speaker 1: bright side. At least this explains Rudy Giuliani, and maybe

467
00:31:29,035 --> 00:31:32,715
Speaker 1: it explains the co runner up, Congressman Warren Davidson of Ohio.

468
00:31:32,955 --> 00:31:35,755
Speaker 1: According to punch Bowl News, at the last Jim Jordan

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Speaker 1: meeting with the holdouts who ultimately sank Jordan's bid to

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Speaker 1: become speaker, Congressman Davidson explained that it was not Jordan

471
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Speaker 1: or his team's fault that those representatives were getting death threats,

472
00:31:46,595 --> 00:31:49,755
Speaker 1: quoting the report. They are getting the death threats, he said,

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Speaker 1: because they voted against Jordan. But our winner is the

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Speaker 1: in stadium experience team for Michigan State University. No, these

475
00:32:02,035 --> 00:32:04,315
Speaker 1: people are not responsible for the team's two and five

476
00:32:04,355 --> 00:32:07,915
Speaker 1: record this year, which suddenly looks like a highlight. But

477
00:32:08,115 --> 00:32:11,275
Speaker 1: somebody did decide, and the school then decided to suspend

478
00:32:11,275 --> 00:32:14,515
Speaker 1: that somebody to fill those down times before the game

479
00:32:14,595 --> 00:32:18,515
Speaker 1: began with content that was just lifted from the YouTube product,

480
00:32:18,875 --> 00:32:22,275
Speaker 1: the quiz Channel, which they put on the scoreboard at

481
00:32:22,275 --> 00:32:24,995
Speaker 1: the stadium. A series of historical trivia questions, all of

482
00:32:24,995 --> 00:32:28,715
Speaker 1: which seem fine if you're online and you're not posting

483
00:32:28,795 --> 00:32:31,315
Speaker 1: them on the scoreboard at a stadium that seats seventy

484
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Speaker 1: five thousand people in the middle of an Israel Hamas war,

485
00:32:37,035 --> 00:32:39,915
Speaker 1: So that when the trivia question what country was Adolph

486
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Speaker 1: Hitler born in? Pops up and with it comes a

487
00:32:42,795 --> 00:32:46,155
Speaker 1: giant picture of Hitler on the football scoreboard, thousands of

488
00:32:46,155 --> 00:32:49,155
Speaker 1: people don't gasp and assume maybe they're having some sort

489
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Speaker 1: of trumpy and mental episode. Michigan State is very sorry

490
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Speaker 1: for the use of Hitler's picture, and they also won't

491
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Speaker 1: steal the quiz Channel material again to put on their scoreboard,

492
00:33:02,115 --> 00:33:05,235
Speaker 1: So sadly you will not see any of these questions

493
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Speaker 1: when they host Nebraska on November fourth. What was vladbam

494
00:33:10,635 --> 00:33:15,235
Speaker 1: Palor's favorite cocktail? Who were Stalin's backup singers on his

495
00:33:15,275 --> 00:33:21,755
Speaker 1: famous cover of Midnight in Moscow? Generalissimo Francisco Franco auditioned

496
00:33:21,755 --> 00:33:26,075
Speaker 1: for which classic TV role? And Satan was born on

497
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Speaker 1: the same day as this mighty morphin power ranger? Can

498
00:33:30,075 --> 00:33:36,595
Speaker 1: you name him? Michigan State University Football Stadium? Guys. The

499
00:33:36,675 --> 00:33:43,035
Speaker 1: hashtag for a story like this is fire everybody two days,

500
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Speaker 1: worst persons And it started on the night of October

501
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Speaker 1: twenty second, two thousand and it ended well, I'll let

502
00:34:08,515 --> 00:34:11,035
Speaker 1: you know if and when it ever ends. I was

503
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Speaker 1: enjoying the second night of one of my childhood dreams

504
00:34:13,675 --> 00:34:16,395
Speaker 1: come true. I was the host not just of the

505
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Speaker 1: telecast of the world series, but it was an all

506
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Speaker 1: New York City series, a Mets versus Yankee series, a

507
00:34:22,795 --> 00:34:27,235
Speaker 1: Subway series. I'd literally dreamt of it since nineteen sixty seven.

508
00:34:27,795 --> 00:34:30,595
Speaker 1: The manager of the Yankees had been the first person

509
00:34:30,635 --> 00:34:34,155
Speaker 1: I ever interviewed on TV fifteen years earlier. I had

510
00:34:34,155 --> 00:34:36,835
Speaker 1: worked with him in TV. He was a friend of mine.

511
00:34:37,555 --> 00:34:39,955
Speaker 1: I had just covered the Mets through their playoff run

512
00:34:39,995 --> 00:34:42,555
Speaker 1: and knew all of their players. My face had been

513
00:34:42,595 --> 00:34:45,275
Speaker 1: on an advertisement in dead center field in the Mets

514
00:34:45,315 --> 00:34:48,195
Speaker 1: Stadium for the entirety of the year before, and the

515
00:34:48,235 --> 00:34:52,355
Speaker 1: players all knew me my name. Where we were that night,

516
00:34:52,475 --> 00:34:54,675
Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium was not only where I saw my first

517
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Speaker 1: baseball game, but was about seven eighths of a mile

518
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Speaker 1: from the hospital in which I had been born, and

519
00:35:00,155 --> 00:35:05,675
Speaker 1: my first home was four subway stops away. The night

520
00:35:05,755 --> 00:35:08,035
Speaker 1: before this event, as I hosted the start of the

521
00:35:08,035 --> 00:35:11,315
Speaker 1: first game of this Keith of palooza, I was supposed

522
00:35:11,355 --> 00:35:14,475
Speaker 1: to introduce the public address announcer of Yankee Stadium, Bob Sheppard,

523
00:35:15,075 --> 00:35:18,395
Speaker 1: whose voice I had heard nearly every day since I

524
00:35:18,475 --> 00:35:21,395
Speaker 1: was eight years old, so he could then introduce the

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Speaker 1: players and this epic world series would begin. And it

526
00:35:23,875 --> 00:35:26,795
Speaker 1: dawned on me in the seconds before I was supposed

527
00:35:26,795 --> 00:35:29,595
Speaker 1: to do this that I literally had the power to

528
00:35:29,835 --> 00:35:33,235
Speaker 1: stop the two thousand World Series from ever happening if

529
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Speaker 1: I just kept talking and never actually said, here is

530
00:35:36,835 --> 00:35:40,275
Speaker 1: Bob shephard, well, I could delay it briefly until they

531
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Speaker 1: cut my mic off and then fired me on the spot. Anyway,

532
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Speaker 1: this was Game two, and now that our pregame show

533
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Speaker 1: was over, and I had waved to my mother, who

534
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Speaker 1: had seen her first game at Yankee Stadium just ooh

535
00:35:51,595 --> 00:35:54,475
Speaker 1: sixty six years previously, and she was seated in the

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Speaker 1: family seats that were just nine rows up from our

537
00:35:56,875 --> 00:36:00,395
Speaker 1: on field set. I had crawled into the position I

538
00:36:00,395 --> 00:36:03,195
Speaker 1: would assume for the entire game as the dugout reporter.

539
00:36:03,555 --> 00:36:06,635
Speaker 1: I was hunched over on a stool squeezed between the

540
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Speaker 1: far end of the Yankee dugout and our Fox Sports

541
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Speaker 1: first base camera. A thin chicken wire fence separated me

542
00:36:13,315 --> 00:36:16,395
Speaker 1: from the dugout himself. In fact, it was a formality.

543
00:36:16,435 --> 00:36:19,115
Speaker 1: I was more or less in the dugout players, coaches,

544
00:36:19,115 --> 00:36:21,115
Speaker 1: and that night, as I settled in, my friend, the

545
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Speaker 1: Yankee manager all came over to say hello, Roger Clemens

546
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Speaker 1: of the Yankees, who I had also known since we

547
00:36:27,635 --> 00:36:30,755
Speaker 1: were both rookies in Boston Sports in nineteen eighty four.

548
00:36:31,275 --> 00:36:35,035
Speaker 1: He lasted, I didn't. Roger Clemens had struck out the

549
00:36:35,035 --> 00:36:38,515
Speaker 1: first two Mets hitters. Clemens was a strange man about

550
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Speaker 1: whom I had heard a strange tale of teammates in

551
00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:44,595
Speaker 1: a college summer baseball league who were all wearing their

552
00:36:44,635 --> 00:36:48,675
Speaker 1: wallets in their uniform pants back pockets during a game

553
00:36:49,315 --> 00:36:51,675
Speaker 1: because one of them explained to a friend of mine,

554
00:36:51,835 --> 00:36:54,795
Speaker 1: we have this crazy kid Clemens from Texas on this team,

555
00:36:54,795 --> 00:36:58,355
Speaker 1: and we don't trust him. In Boston, I had found

556
00:36:58,435 --> 00:37:02,515
Speaker 1: him a little nervous, little standoffish, but doing his best

557
00:37:02,515 --> 00:37:05,875
Speaker 1: to be professional. But by now there were rumors swirling

558
00:37:05,915 --> 00:37:09,795
Speaker 1: around Roger Clemens about amphetamines and performance enhancing drugs, and

559
00:37:09,835 --> 00:37:12,155
Speaker 1: you knew not to talk to him before or after

560
00:37:12,195 --> 00:37:14,475
Speaker 1: a game unless you had to, and if you had to,

561
00:37:14,555 --> 00:37:17,995
Speaker 1: you chose your words very carefully, then made sure that

562
00:37:18,075 --> 00:37:20,795
Speaker 1: whatever you did, you had to start with something mundane,

563
00:37:21,435 --> 00:37:24,195
Speaker 1: like the score of the game, and if you could

564
00:37:24,275 --> 00:37:28,915
Speaker 1: let him bring up anything controversial or complex, he would

565
00:37:28,955 --> 00:37:33,195
Speaker 1: then probably do it. So now, as this game continued,

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Speaker 1: after two batters had struck out, Lee Mazzilli, the former

567
00:37:36,155 --> 00:37:39,035
Speaker 1: Mets star now Yankees coach, another friend of mine was

568
00:37:39,035 --> 00:37:41,795
Speaker 1: on the other side of a little fence, and as

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Speaker 1: Mets superstar Mike Piazza stepped in as the third batter

570
00:37:44,875 --> 00:37:48,115
Speaker 1: of the game, Mozilly leaned in and said, conspiratorily, let's

571
00:37:48,115 --> 00:37:51,715
Speaker 1: see if Roger flips him again. In Midsummer two thousand,

572
00:37:51,835 --> 00:37:55,515
Speaker 1: Roger Clemens had beamed Mike Piazza with a fastball. There

573
00:37:55,675 --> 00:37:58,755
Speaker 1: was a hospital visit involved. Nobody was convinced it had

574
00:37:58,755 --> 00:38:01,475
Speaker 1: not been intentional, or that Clemens would not do it again,

575
00:38:01,515 --> 00:38:03,995
Speaker 1: even though it was the World Series. Mazilly and I

576
00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:08,395
Speaker 1: leaned for. Piazza was a deeply complicated guy too. During

577
00:38:08,395 --> 00:38:10,195
Speaker 1: the playoffs, he had walked up to me and asked

578
00:38:10,195 --> 00:38:11,755
Speaker 1: me if it was true I was from New York,

579
00:38:11,755 --> 00:38:13,635
Speaker 1: and then he quizzed me about the relative merits of

580
00:38:13,675 --> 00:38:15,555
Speaker 1: the suburbs, and then he wanted to know if I

581
00:38:15,555 --> 00:38:19,475
Speaker 1: had really taken up residence in his favorite southern California hotel.

582
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Speaker 1: And we talked for fifteen minutes about that. The next

583
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Speaker 1: night I saw him, smiled, said Helow, and he looked

584
00:38:24,675 --> 00:38:27,635
Speaker 1: at me like I had just sworn a vendetta against

585
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Speaker 1: his family. For a long time I thought it was me,

586
00:38:31,035 --> 00:38:33,835
Speaker 1: until about ten years later, the Great Vin Scully said

587
00:38:33,875 --> 00:38:36,795
Speaker 1: that Piazza was with the Dodgers, and when they were

588
00:38:36,795 --> 00:38:39,475
Speaker 1: both together there in Los Angeles, Vin had had the

589
00:38:39,515 --> 00:38:42,835
Speaker 1: identical experience with Piazza. Best friends on the team bus

590
00:38:42,875 --> 00:38:46,715
Speaker 1: one day, and then no indication Piazza remembered even meeting

591
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Speaker 1: him the next I mean that was Vin Scully. Clemens,

592
00:38:50,955 --> 00:38:53,915
Speaker 1: as it turned out, did not throw a baseball at Piazza,

593
00:38:53,955 --> 00:38:56,795
Speaker 1: but instead pitched him inside in on his hands, and

594
00:38:56,835 --> 00:38:59,635
Speaker 1: Piazza tried to stop a swing that was half self defense,

595
00:38:59,675 --> 00:39:02,435
Speaker 1: but instead the odd angle and the force of the

596
00:39:02,475 --> 00:39:06,555
Speaker 1: pitch shattered. Piazza's bat ball veered to the right, describing

597
00:39:06,555 --> 00:39:09,355
Speaker 1: a circle into foul territory. The head of the bat

598
00:39:09,675 --> 00:39:13,035
Speaker 1: shot out towards Clemens on the mound. A second piece

599
00:39:13,635 --> 00:39:17,035
Speaker 1: flew briefly into the infield. Piazza was left holding just

600
00:39:17,115 --> 00:39:19,715
Speaker 1: the handle. And it looked as foolish as that sounds,

601
00:39:19,915 --> 00:39:22,235
Speaker 1: but lost in this descriptions the fact that all happened

602
00:39:22,275 --> 00:39:25,315
Speaker 1: at once, and even from our sign angle in the

603
00:39:25,395 --> 00:39:28,435
Speaker 1: Yankee dugout, it looked to mozillion me as if Piazza's

604
00:39:28,515 --> 00:39:32,675
Speaker 1: bat had simply exploded, like it was a trick device

605
00:39:32,755 --> 00:39:36,275
Speaker 1: of some sort. I saw Clemens reach for the baseball.

606
00:39:36,515 --> 00:39:38,915
Speaker 1: I thought it was the baseball right in front of him,

607
00:39:38,955 --> 00:39:41,075
Speaker 1: and then just as quickly, He and I at the

608
00:39:41,075 --> 00:39:43,675
Speaker 1: same moment, realized it was not the baseball. It was

609
00:39:43,675 --> 00:39:46,315
Speaker 1: the barrel of the bat, which was slightly rounded, just

610
00:39:46,355 --> 00:39:48,555
Speaker 1: a little darker than a baseball, but could in the

611
00:39:48,555 --> 00:39:52,195
Speaker 1: heat of an instant following a bat explosion, it could

612
00:39:52,275 --> 00:39:56,275
Speaker 1: be mistaken for a ball. So far, so good. But

613
00:39:56,435 --> 00:39:59,955
Speaker 1: right then Clemens, realizing it was part of a bat

614
00:39:59,995 --> 00:40:02,355
Speaker 1: and not a ball, promptly through that part of the

615
00:40:02,355 --> 00:40:06,915
Speaker 1: bat at me. Jesus Mas, I said to Mizilly, why

616
00:40:06,915 --> 00:40:09,795
Speaker 1: did Clemens throw that bat barrel at me? The Yankee

617
00:40:09,875 --> 00:40:12,115
Speaker 1: coach looked incredulously at me. He didn't throw it you.

618
00:40:12,235 --> 00:40:15,275
Speaker 1: He threw it at me. That's what it looked like.

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Speaker 1: We were lined up perfectly. Roger Clemens had thrown the

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Speaker 1: barrel of Mike Piazza's bat, say, one hundred and twenty

621
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Speaker 1: feet instead of just six or seven feet, he would

622
00:40:25,195 --> 00:40:28,315
Speaker 1: have hit either me or Lee Mozilly. In the Yankee

623
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Speaker 1: dugout as it was, since nobody knew exactly what was happening,

624
00:40:33,555 --> 00:40:36,595
Speaker 1: Piazza had started to run down to first base in

625
00:40:36,635 --> 00:40:38,715
Speaker 1: case the ball was fair. He didn't know where the

626
00:40:38,755 --> 00:40:42,355
Speaker 1: ball was either. For that initial split second, you really

627
00:40:42,395 --> 00:40:46,995
Speaker 1: couldn't tell which flying object was the ball, and also

628
00:40:47,075 --> 00:40:51,315
Speaker 1: whether the ball was fair or foul. So Roger Clemens's

629
00:40:51,395 --> 00:40:55,275
Speaker 1: throw certainly looked like it was aimed at Piazza as

630
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Speaker 1: Piazza went down the first baseline, and as Piazza took umbrage,

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Speaker 1: And there was another split second of confusion when it

632
00:41:01,475 --> 00:41:03,595
Speaker 1: looked like Piazza might charge out to the mound to

633
00:41:03,635 --> 00:41:06,555
Speaker 1: try to sock Clemens. This and for the Midsummer beating.

634
00:41:06,835 --> 00:41:09,915
Speaker 1: I said to Missilly, wait, did he throw that bat

635
00:41:10,155 --> 00:41:13,995
Speaker 1: at Piazza? Miszilly just shook his head. I don't think so.

636
00:41:14,515 --> 00:41:16,795
Speaker 1: Hun Hell knows. He's been here two years. I haven't

637
00:41:16,795 --> 00:41:20,755
Speaker 1: figured out anything he's done so far. As the umpires

638
00:41:20,795 --> 00:41:24,635
Speaker 1: then got involved, Clemens repeatedly tapped his own chest, and

639
00:41:24,755 --> 00:41:26,715
Speaker 1: not in a bragging way, but in a kind of

640
00:41:27,115 --> 00:41:31,075
Speaker 1: what looked like that's on me way. Two bat boys

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00:41:31,115 --> 00:41:33,355
Speaker 1: collected the three main pieces of the bat and a

642
00:41:33,395 --> 00:41:36,195
Speaker 1: bunch of smaller shards, some of them smaller than a toothpick.

643
00:41:37,035 --> 00:41:39,195
Speaker 1: The Fox play by play man threw it to me

644
00:41:39,395 --> 00:41:41,555
Speaker 1: in the dugout well, I said, I can tell you

645
00:41:41,595 --> 00:41:43,875
Speaker 1: the Yankee dugout doesn't know what happened or why Joe

646
00:41:44,395 --> 00:41:47,155
Speaker 1: Missilly laughed quietly and then hit me in the arm.

647
00:41:47,195 --> 00:41:49,635
Speaker 1: While I was on the air, I postulated that Clemens

648
00:41:49,715 --> 00:41:51,995
Speaker 1: was looking for a ball hit back to him, instead

649
00:41:52,075 --> 00:41:54,835
Speaker 1: found the piece of the bat, and then discarded that

650
00:41:54,875 --> 00:41:56,355
Speaker 1: piece of the bat so he could keep looking for

651
00:41:56,395 --> 00:41:59,515
Speaker 1: the ball that he discarded, it kind of where Piazza

652
00:41:59,635 --> 00:42:02,795
Speaker 1: was running might have been delivered, might have been a coincidence.

653
00:42:03,235 --> 00:42:06,715
Speaker 1: I do remember suggesting that if Clemens had really aimed

654
00:42:06,755 --> 00:42:10,075
Speaker 1: the bat at Piazza, that from that distance, with the

655
00:42:10,115 --> 00:42:12,795
Speaker 1: strength and accuracy of a major league pitcher, he clearly

656
00:42:12,835 --> 00:42:16,395
Speaker 1: would have hit him with it. Piazza then promptly grounded

657
00:42:16,395 --> 00:42:18,235
Speaker 1: out to end the inning, and as Clemens came back

658
00:42:18,275 --> 00:42:21,315
Speaker 1: towards the Yankee dugout where Mozilly and I were, he

659
00:42:21,395 --> 00:42:24,155
Speaker 1: again stopped to talk to the umpire, who was Charlie Reliford.

660
00:42:24,595 --> 00:42:28,115
Speaker 1: Over the noise of fifty six thousand fans at Yankee Stadium,

661
00:42:28,155 --> 00:42:30,435
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear a damn thing, but it sure looked

662
00:42:30,475 --> 00:42:34,035
Speaker 1: like Clemens was again saying that was on me. I

663
00:42:34,035 --> 00:42:35,915
Speaker 1: asked mizillly if he could find out if that's what

664
00:42:35,995 --> 00:42:39,035
Speaker 1: Clemens was doing, and half an inning later, Missilly reported

665
00:42:39,075 --> 00:42:41,475
Speaker 1: that Clemens indeed thought for a second it was the ball,

666
00:42:41,715 --> 00:42:43,875
Speaker 1: and that he threw it, and that it was on him,

667
00:42:44,035 --> 00:42:45,835
Speaker 1: and that it was not intentional and it was not

668
00:42:45,955 --> 00:42:49,995
Speaker 1: directed at Piazza. Now I did something kind of stupid.

669
00:42:50,075 --> 00:42:52,955
Speaker 1: I suggested to my bosses that I should go ask

670
00:42:53,035 --> 00:42:55,875
Speaker 1: the Commissioner of Baseball, who in a World Series game

671
00:42:55,915 --> 00:42:58,635
Speaker 1: had the power to eject any player for any reason,

672
00:42:58,995 --> 00:43:01,435
Speaker 1: although that power had not actually been used since nineteen

673
00:43:01,515 --> 00:43:04,635
Speaker 1: thirty four. What he thought of all this? The producer

674
00:43:04,835 --> 00:43:08,235
Speaker 1: said yes, And I thought me and my big mouth.

675
00:43:08,955 --> 00:43:11,475
Speaker 1: I now had to crawl out of that little space

676
00:43:11,635 --> 00:43:15,675
Speaker 1: between camera and dugout, and I mean literally crawl hands

677
00:43:15,675 --> 00:43:19,155
Speaker 1: and knees to exit back into the seats via where

678
00:43:19,195 --> 00:43:23,835
Speaker 1: the groundskeepers kept all the extra dirt. I knew where

679
00:43:23,875 --> 00:43:26,475
Speaker 1: in the stands the commissioner was sitting. I went there.

680
00:43:26,715 --> 00:43:29,315
Speaker 1: I got to him, I asked him. He assured me

681
00:43:29,355 --> 00:43:32,075
Speaker 1: there was no discipline coming for Clemens, and they'd look

682
00:43:32,115 --> 00:43:34,075
Speaker 1: at the tape of the game again that night or

683
00:43:34,115 --> 00:43:35,995
Speaker 1: in the morning, but he really didn't think Clemens had

684
00:43:35,995 --> 00:43:38,475
Speaker 1: tried to hit Piazza with the bat. Well, they would

685
00:43:38,475 --> 00:43:40,395
Speaker 1: look at the tape, and they decided both that Clemens

686
00:43:40,475 --> 00:43:42,755
Speaker 1: did not try to hit Piazza with the bat and

687
00:43:43,315 --> 00:43:46,755
Speaker 1: that he should be fined fifty thousand dollars for I

688
00:43:46,755 --> 00:43:48,875
Speaker 1: don't know, not trying to hit him with the bat.

689
00:43:50,155 --> 00:43:52,635
Speaker 1: So I made it back to the dugout, reversing my

690
00:43:52,795 --> 00:43:56,795
Speaker 1: crawl like I was recreating the movie The Great Escape.

691
00:43:56,875 --> 00:44:00,635
Speaker 1: As it turned out, Piazza's little squib shot that caused

692
00:44:00,675 --> 00:44:03,235
Speaker 1: all the trouble with the exploding bat was about the

693
00:44:03,275 --> 00:44:07,115
Speaker 1: hardest thing they hit off Clemens all night. Over eight innings,

694
00:44:07,115 --> 00:44:10,115
Speaker 1: he struck out nine Mets batters, he walked none, he

695
00:44:10,195 --> 00:44:12,755
Speaker 1: gave up only two hits, and he only hit one batter.

696
00:44:13,235 --> 00:44:16,195
Speaker 1: And then, incredibly, after Clemens left the game, the Yankees

697
00:44:16,635 --> 00:44:19,795
Speaker 1: almost blew a six to nothing lead. In the ninth inning,

698
00:44:20,275 --> 00:44:23,515
Speaker 1: a Met outfielder named Jay Payton hit a three run

699
00:44:23,515 --> 00:44:27,075
Speaker 1: homer off future Hall of Famer Mariano Rivera, and the

700
00:44:27,075 --> 00:44:29,235
Speaker 1: Mets had a chance to tie the game or go

701
00:44:29,275 --> 00:44:32,195
Speaker 1: ahead off Rivera in the top of the ninth And

702
00:44:32,235 --> 00:44:33,635
Speaker 1: then he got out of it, and the final score

703
00:44:33,635 --> 00:44:35,555
Speaker 1: was six to five Yankees. And with the game over

704
00:44:35,675 --> 00:44:39,875
Speaker 1: now it was Keith interviews Clemens' time. I went to

705
00:44:39,955 --> 00:44:41,955
Speaker 1: the pre arranged spot at the other end of the

706
00:44:42,035 --> 00:44:45,955
Speaker 1: Yankee dugout, where another friend of mine, the Yankees pr director,

707
00:44:45,955 --> 00:44:48,395
Speaker 1: had guaranteed me he would go and get Clemens and

708
00:44:48,435 --> 00:44:51,515
Speaker 1: they would emerge after Clemens left the clubhouse to do

709
00:44:51,595 --> 00:44:57,915
Speaker 1: what was a contractually obligated interview with Fox and me. Apparently,

710
00:44:58,035 --> 00:45:00,715
Speaker 1: Roger Clemens started making his way towards me the moment

711
00:45:00,755 --> 00:45:04,875
Speaker 1: the Yankees finally won that game. Unfortunately, at that exact moment,

712
00:45:05,515 --> 00:45:09,595
Speaker 1: security closed the only runway from the Yankee Dugout to

713
00:45:09,675 --> 00:45:12,715
Speaker 1: the clubhouse so that a dignitary could use it as

714
00:45:12,795 --> 00:45:18,915
Speaker 1: an exit from his seats. The dignitary was Mayor Rudolph Giuliani,

715
00:45:19,555 --> 00:45:24,115
Speaker 1: noted front running Yankees fan and ticket freeloader. And while

716
00:45:24,155 --> 00:45:26,915
Speaker 1: Fox literally delayed the start of every newscast on every

717
00:45:26,955 --> 00:45:28,795
Speaker 1: one of its stations in the country, even on the

718
00:45:28,795 --> 00:45:31,715
Speaker 1: West Coast, and Joe Buck and Tim McCarver kept showing

719
00:45:31,755 --> 00:45:35,395
Speaker 1: replays again and again and promising my interview with Roger Clemens,

720
00:45:36,035 --> 00:45:40,355
Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani took his goddamn time leaving the field. His

721
00:45:40,515 --> 00:45:43,675
Speaker 1: idiot son Andrew grabbed some dirt from the field. I

722
00:45:43,715 --> 00:45:46,315
Speaker 1: half expected him to eat it instead. He stuffed it

723
00:45:46,355 --> 00:45:51,155
Speaker 1: in his jacket pockets. Giuliani now waited for his entire entourage,

724
00:45:51,595 --> 00:45:54,475
Speaker 1: one of his wives, some of his I guess they

725
00:45:54,475 --> 00:45:58,795
Speaker 1: were friends, assorted political riff raff, and as my producer

726
00:45:58,915 --> 00:46:02,915
Speaker 1: screamed in my ear, where is Clemens? Giuliani waited until

727
00:46:02,955 --> 00:46:06,435
Speaker 1: they were all together on the field, and finally he

728
00:46:06,515 --> 00:46:09,035
Speaker 1: marched them down into the dugout and up through the runway.

729
00:46:09,595 --> 00:46:12,995
Speaker 1: And after all this delay, Clemens came out and finally

730
00:46:12,995 --> 00:46:15,315
Speaker 1: I could ask him about throwing the bat shard at

731
00:46:15,435 --> 00:46:18,915
Speaker 1: or near piazza. And at that moment I remembered what

732
00:46:18,955 --> 00:46:21,635
Speaker 1: I had learned about Clemens in Boston. If you started

733
00:46:21,675 --> 00:46:26,555
Speaker 1: an interview with something controversial, he might very well walk away. If,

734
00:46:26,595 --> 00:46:29,875
Speaker 1: on the other hand, you did the boring game outcome question,

735
00:46:29,955 --> 00:46:31,955
Speaker 1: he would answer anything you asked, and he might even

736
00:46:31,955 --> 00:46:34,475
Speaker 1: bring up anything controversial himself. But you had to do

737
00:46:34,835 --> 00:46:39,275
Speaker 1: the stupid game stuff first, So which was harder work?

738
00:46:39,395 --> 00:46:42,395
Speaker 1: Roger I asked eight innings of two hit ball or

739
00:46:42,475 --> 00:46:45,475
Speaker 1: watching the Mets nearly tie it in the ninth. His

740
00:46:45,595 --> 00:46:47,435
Speaker 1: answer was not bad, but he did not bring up

741
00:46:47,475 --> 00:46:49,235
Speaker 1: the bats. So I asked another question about what he

742
00:46:49,395 --> 00:46:52,475
Speaker 1: thought of his performance in that game. Well, that did it.

743
00:46:52,715 --> 00:46:56,435
Speaker 1: He started talking about having to overcome his emotions in

744
00:46:56,475 --> 00:46:58,595
Speaker 1: the first inning, and now I could say, well, since

745
00:46:58,595 --> 00:47:02,595
Speaker 1: you brought up the emotions the bat throwing incident, did

746
00:47:02,635 --> 00:47:06,315
Speaker 1: you throw that piece of broken bat at Piazza? There

747
00:47:06,355 --> 00:47:08,835
Speaker 1: is a freeze frame from that interview in which Roger

748
00:47:08,875 --> 00:47:14,795
Speaker 1: clemens eyes are bugged wide open. Well, Clemens basically confirmed

749
00:47:14,795 --> 00:47:16,555
Speaker 1: what the guys in the dugout had told me. He

750
00:47:16,635 --> 00:47:18,675
Speaker 1: had told them. You can believe him or not, but

751
00:47:18,795 --> 00:47:21,195
Speaker 1: he thought the thing he grabbed was the ball, and

752
00:47:21,275 --> 00:47:23,595
Speaker 1: when it wasn't, he threw it away just in case

753
00:47:23,635 --> 00:47:25,675
Speaker 1: the ball was somewhere else near him and he had

754
00:47:25,715 --> 00:47:27,875
Speaker 1: to have a free hand with which to pick it up.

755
00:47:28,395 --> 00:47:30,675
Speaker 1: He explained the chest taps. He was indeed saying to

756
00:47:30,715 --> 00:47:34,955
Speaker 1: the umpire Umpire Charlie, as Clemens called him, accompanying his

757
00:47:35,035 --> 00:47:37,315
Speaker 1: apologies to the umps for throwing the bat. He said

758
00:47:37,355 --> 00:47:39,395
Speaker 1: he didn't even know where Piazza was at the point

759
00:47:39,435 --> 00:47:43,155
Speaker 1: he threw the bat. It was as straight and nonpartisan

760
00:47:43,315 --> 00:47:48,195
Speaker 1: and frankly as informative an interview as I've ever conducted. Meanwhile,

761
00:47:48,755 --> 00:47:52,435
Speaker 1: everybody else in that stadium, everybody else in that city,

762
00:47:52,795 --> 00:47:55,835
Speaker 1: everybody else in the Tri State area was convinced of

763
00:47:55,915 --> 00:47:58,915
Speaker 1: one of only two things. Roger Clemens had tried to

764
00:47:58,955 --> 00:48:02,955
Speaker 1: impale Mike Piazza with a shard of his own bat

765
00:48:03,635 --> 00:48:06,595
Speaker 1: or the man that's where crybabies who could not tell

766
00:48:06,635 --> 00:48:09,595
Speaker 1: that Clemens obviously did not try to impale Mike Piazza

767
00:48:09,635 --> 00:48:13,115
Speaker 1: with his own bat. There was no middle ground. I

768
00:48:13,235 --> 00:48:16,275
Speaker 1: found this out specifically the next day when the TV

769
00:48:16,395 --> 00:48:18,995
Speaker 1: sports columnist of the New York Times, Rich Sandomir, who

770
00:48:19,035 --> 00:48:21,315
Speaker 1: was a friend of mine, called to interview me about

771
00:48:21,315 --> 00:48:23,875
Speaker 1: the interview. Why didn't you ask him about the bat first?

772
00:48:23,995 --> 00:48:26,995
Speaker 1: Nobody cared about how he pitched? He threw a bat

773
00:48:26,195 --> 00:48:30,595
Speaker 1: at Piazza. I said, you're a Met fan, and I

774
00:48:30,635 --> 00:48:33,275
Speaker 1: explained the theory of not making Clemens end an interview

775
00:48:33,275 --> 00:48:35,035
Speaker 1: before he said what you needed to know. I went

776
00:48:35,035 --> 00:48:37,275
Speaker 1: through the whole thing I just recited here. It was

777
00:48:37,315 --> 00:48:41,875
Speaker 1: amazing to see those few days how every sports reporter

778
00:48:41,995 --> 00:48:45,515
Speaker 1: and columnist in New York self identified as either a

779
00:48:45,515 --> 00:48:48,235
Speaker 1: Met fan or ex Met fan, or a Yankee fan

780
00:48:48,355 --> 00:48:51,435
Speaker 1: or x Yankee fan. And you can still see it today,

781
00:48:51,515 --> 00:48:54,475
Speaker 1: as this story from twenty two years ago is recollected

782
00:48:54,515 --> 00:48:59,555
Speaker 1: by others, they wrote what they felt as kids Clemens

783
00:48:59,635 --> 00:49:04,675
Speaker 1: was the victim, or Clemens tried to kill Mike Piazza

784
00:49:05,475 --> 00:49:09,115
Speaker 1: like he was a dracula and they had the wooden

785
00:49:09,155 --> 00:49:13,995
Speaker 1: stake to go through his heart. Meanwhile, we learned recently

786
00:49:14,035 --> 00:49:16,715
Speaker 1: from Joe Tory, the Yankee manager, another one of my friends,

787
00:49:16,835 --> 00:49:19,435
Speaker 1: that they all hid something from us that night, the

788
00:49:19,475 --> 00:49:22,955
Speaker 1: thing about emotions. After the incident in the first inning,

789
00:49:23,035 --> 00:49:26,035
Speaker 1: Roger Clemens went back to the Yankee clubhouse and started

790
00:49:26,075 --> 00:49:29,635
Speaker 1: to cry. This might have had something to do with

791
00:49:29,675 --> 00:49:32,595
Speaker 1: embarrassment or grief. But since he had noted that he

792
00:49:32,675 --> 00:49:35,675
Speaker 1: had had to check his emotions, I always thought, well,

793
00:49:35,715 --> 00:49:38,795
Speaker 1: he might have been a little overamped for that game,

794
00:49:39,835 --> 00:49:45,155
Speaker 1: naturally or otherwise. All right, So before I present anything

795
00:49:45,195 --> 00:49:47,515
Speaker 1: else out of chronological order, let me go back to

796
00:49:47,555 --> 00:49:50,155
Speaker 1: the moment. I thanked Roger Clemens for the interview and

797
00:49:50,275 --> 00:49:52,395
Speaker 1: threw it back to Joe Buck and Tim McCarver in

798
00:49:52,435 --> 00:49:56,035
Speaker 1: the Fox booth, because this is when the real trouble started.

799
00:49:56,995 --> 00:49:58,755
Speaker 1: They were pretty much done for the night, but I

800
00:49:58,795 --> 00:50:01,675
Speaker 1: had another two hours to go in a live postgame

801
00:50:01,715 --> 00:50:05,515
Speaker 1: show on Fox's cable Sports network. Had about four minutes

802
00:50:05,595 --> 00:50:07,835
Speaker 1: until that show started, and it suddenly occurred to me

803
00:50:07,875 --> 00:50:09,715
Speaker 1: that although this was not the most important event in

804
00:50:09,755 --> 00:50:12,195
Speaker 1: the history of the World Series, the bat would become

805
00:50:12,275 --> 00:50:16,195
Speaker 1: part of the iconography of baseball. I had been at

806
00:50:16,275 --> 00:50:19,235
Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium often enough over the years to know the

807
00:50:19,275 --> 00:50:22,475
Speaker 1: two kids who ran the visiting clubhouse, and right then

808
00:50:22,515 --> 00:50:25,275
Speaker 1: they were still packing up the Mets bats and equipment

809
00:50:25,315 --> 00:50:27,995
Speaker 1: and the Mets dugout. So I ran over and asked

810
00:50:28,035 --> 00:50:31,235
Speaker 1: the senior of them what happened to the pieces of

811
00:50:31,275 --> 00:50:35,035
Speaker 1: the piazza bat well. A guy explained that Bobby Valentine,

812
00:50:35,075 --> 00:50:37,955
Speaker 1: the Mets manager, had asked that one of the pieces

813
00:50:37,955 --> 00:50:40,875
Speaker 1: go to a friend of his in the stands, and he,

814
00:50:41,115 --> 00:50:44,195
Speaker 1: the clubhouse attendant, had handed it to the guy. A

815
00:50:44,275 --> 00:50:46,755
Speaker 1: second piece he believed was kept by the Yankees. He

816
00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:49,835
Speaker 1: wasn't sure about that. The third piece, the handle was

817
00:50:50,595 --> 00:50:53,275
Speaker 1: where was it? Where is it? He asked the other attendant.

818
00:50:53,875 --> 00:50:56,555
Speaker 1: It's here in the garbage, the kids said. I did

819
00:50:56,595 --> 00:50:59,715
Speaker 1: a double take the garbage, Yeah, the kid said, under

820
00:50:59,755 --> 00:51:02,595
Speaker 1: the dugout bench, and there it was, stuffed in amid

821
00:51:02,635 --> 00:51:05,515
Speaker 1: all the empty bags of sunflower seeds and the crushed

822
00:51:05,555 --> 00:51:08,635
Speaker 1: gatorade cuffs. I said, what happens to it now gets

823
00:51:08,635 --> 00:51:12,795
Speaker 1: thrown out. They clean out the dugouts first. So I said, look,

824
00:51:12,835 --> 00:51:15,275
Speaker 1: can I borrow it? This would make a great prop

825
00:51:15,315 --> 00:51:19,035
Speaker 1: for our postgame show? And the attendant says sure, and

826
00:51:19,075 --> 00:51:20,875
Speaker 1: he pulls it out of the pile and hands it

827
00:51:20,915 --> 00:51:22,915
Speaker 1: to him. He just about seven inches of a baseball

828
00:51:22,955 --> 00:51:26,035
Speaker 1: bat and all there is is Piazza's uniform number thirty

829
00:51:26,035 --> 00:51:29,275
Speaker 1: one written in magic marker on the bottom. Listen. I said,

830
00:51:29,435 --> 00:51:30,955
Speaker 1: I won't be able to bring this back to you

831
00:51:31,035 --> 00:51:33,195
Speaker 1: for like two hours. We're on for two hours. Will

832
00:51:33,195 --> 00:51:35,035
Speaker 1: you still be in the clubhouse? And he said, are

833
00:51:35,035 --> 00:51:37,875
Speaker 1: you kidding? We have to be here at eight. He

834
00:51:37,955 --> 00:51:40,195
Speaker 1: and I'll be out of here in ten minutes. And

835
00:51:40,195 --> 00:51:41,995
Speaker 1: I said, you want me to bring it back to

836
00:51:42,035 --> 00:51:45,035
Speaker 1: you for Game three? And he says, garbage. You're going

837
00:51:45,115 --> 00:51:47,635
Speaker 1: to bring back garbage, throw it out, keep it whatever,

838
00:51:47,715 --> 00:51:52,235
Speaker 1: what do I care? So I use the bat fragment

839
00:51:52,275 --> 00:51:55,195
Speaker 1: as a prop in the show repeatedly, and I stuck

840
00:51:55,195 --> 00:51:57,035
Speaker 1: it in my shoulder bag and I thought, I'm not

841
00:51:57,075 --> 00:52:00,595
Speaker 1: a scrounger, but this is a valuable piece of memorabilia

842
00:52:01,155 --> 00:52:03,995
Speaker 1: and I'd like to keep it, so either I'll auction

843
00:52:04,035 --> 00:52:07,275
Speaker 1: it off for chair and bid against myself or something,

844
00:52:07,355 --> 00:52:09,355
Speaker 1: or I'll make a donation to a baseball charity and

845
00:52:09,435 --> 00:52:12,155
Speaker 1: I'll keep it. And that was it. And two days later,

846
00:52:12,675 --> 00:52:15,395
Speaker 1: as the World Series shifted from Yankee Stadium to Shaye Stadium,

847
00:52:15,435 --> 00:52:17,395
Speaker 1: I got a phone call from one of the PR

848
00:52:17,475 --> 00:52:20,355
Speaker 1: guys at Fox Sports. Did you see the paper? And

849
00:52:20,395 --> 00:52:22,835
Speaker 1: I said, no, not yet, And he says, Piazza told

850
00:52:22,835 --> 00:52:25,835
Speaker 1: the guy from Newsday that you stole his back and

851
00:52:25,875 --> 00:52:29,795
Speaker 1: he wants it back. And I said, what if I

852
00:52:29,835 --> 00:52:31,995
Speaker 1: hadn't asked about it, it would be on a garbage scale

853
00:52:32,075 --> 00:52:33,915
Speaker 1: right now, being towed out to be dumped in the

854
00:52:33,915 --> 00:52:37,355
Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean. And he says maybe, but Piazza told this

855
00:52:37,475 --> 00:52:39,475
Speaker 1: John Hayman, he's going to sue you to get it back.

856
00:52:41,355 --> 00:52:43,955
Speaker 1: So now I go to the ballpark with extra excitement

857
00:52:43,995 --> 00:52:46,555
Speaker 1: on my plate. I'm waiting for Mike Piazza to tell

858
00:52:46,595 --> 00:52:48,835
Speaker 1: me he's going to sue me. So I go out

859
00:52:48,875 --> 00:52:50,955
Speaker 1: onto the field. I'm wondering how long it's going to

860
00:52:51,035 --> 00:52:53,075
Speaker 1: be before I run into Piazza. And like two minutes

861
00:52:53,115 --> 00:52:54,795
Speaker 1: after I step on the field, I turn around and

862
00:52:54,795 --> 00:52:57,355
Speaker 1: he's walking towards me. He looks at me and he says, hey,

863
00:52:57,475 --> 00:53:00,235
Speaker 1: Keith wild One the other night, huh, say, listen, when

864
00:53:00,275 --> 00:53:02,515
Speaker 1: you lived at Shutters, did you ever eat at Ivy

865
00:53:02,555 --> 00:53:06,315
Speaker 1: at the Shore in Santa Monica? Nothing about the bat.

866
00:53:06,595 --> 00:53:10,355
Speaker 1: We're talking about restaurants in Santa Monica, California. And I say, well, yeah,

867
00:53:10,395 --> 00:53:12,435
Speaker 1: but did you ever eat at Shae Jay's. And a

868
00:53:12,595 --> 00:53:15,275
Speaker 1: big smile from Piazza, Oh, man, I love Shae Jay's.

869
00:53:15,355 --> 00:53:17,715
Speaker 1: I love Jay. Give me your number this winner. When

870
00:53:17,715 --> 00:53:20,355
Speaker 1: I'm home, let's go eat at Shae Jay's. And I said,

871
00:53:20,395 --> 00:53:22,315
Speaker 1: I'll pay for it and I'll order the sand dabs.

872
00:53:22,715 --> 00:53:25,435
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about sand dabs, how to prepare sand

873
00:53:25,475 --> 00:53:28,275
Speaker 1: dabs at a restaurant. And then he says, hey, sorry,

874
00:53:28,315 --> 00:53:31,875
Speaker 1: I gotta go ahead, have a good show. That was it.

875
00:53:32,755 --> 00:53:36,035
Speaker 1: He's in the paper threatening to sue me. We see

876
00:53:36,035 --> 00:53:39,515
Speaker 1: each other on the field, he starts the conversation. No

877
00:53:39,675 --> 00:53:43,395
Speaker 1: mention of suing me, not one word. Next day in

878
00:53:43,435 --> 00:53:45,995
Speaker 1: the paper, more Piazza quotes about how he's going to

879
00:53:46,075 --> 00:53:48,875
Speaker 1: sue me for stealing his bat. Next night, Game four

880
00:53:48,875 --> 00:53:50,835
Speaker 1: of the World Series, We're just about to go on

881
00:53:50,875 --> 00:53:52,915
Speaker 1: the air with the pregame show, and now Piazza comes

882
00:53:52,915 --> 00:53:55,155
Speaker 1: over again coming in from the outfield to the dugout

883
00:53:55,195 --> 00:53:57,115
Speaker 1: and he says, hey, this must be really cool to

884
00:53:57,155 --> 00:53:59,195
Speaker 1: do what you guys are doing. Have a great show,

885
00:54:00,115 --> 00:54:01,635
Speaker 1: and by now the only thing I can think of.

886
00:54:01,995 --> 00:54:04,995
Speaker 1: He does not know I'm the same. Keith Olderman keeps

887
00:54:05,035 --> 00:54:08,715
Speaker 1: threatening to sue. So the World Series ends and the

888
00:54:08,795 --> 00:54:10,995
Speaker 1: Yankees beat the Mets, and if you look for it,

889
00:54:11,035 --> 00:54:13,875
Speaker 1: there's this photo of the traditional postgame awarding of the

890
00:54:13,915 --> 00:54:17,595
Speaker 1: World Series Trophy and the Most Valuable Player award, and

891
00:54:17,635 --> 00:54:20,635
Speaker 1: it's Commissioner Bud Selig and Derek Jeter, the Yankees and me,

892
00:54:21,275 --> 00:54:23,755
Speaker 1: And just before it happened, George Steinbrenner was the owner

893
00:54:23,755 --> 00:54:27,555
Speaker 1: of the Yankees. He's crying, leans in and I give

894
00:54:27,635 --> 00:54:29,635
Speaker 1: him a hug and reassure him. And he asked me

895
00:54:29,675 --> 00:54:31,635
Speaker 1: if my mother went to the game, and I said,

896
00:54:31,675 --> 00:54:33,715
Speaker 1: you know, my mother, she'd never come to Shay Stadium.

897
00:54:33,755 --> 00:54:36,675
Speaker 1: She hates it more than you do. And he says, I.

898
00:54:36,715 --> 00:54:38,675
Speaker 2: Love her more than ever before. Now.

899
00:54:40,035 --> 00:54:42,835
Speaker 1: So the series ends, and it's not been that greatest series,

900
00:54:42,835 --> 00:54:45,435
Speaker 1: but it's been exciting, and it was the dream from

901
00:54:45,475 --> 00:54:48,475
Speaker 1: my childhood. And the Yankees have won, and my friends

902
00:54:48,475 --> 00:54:51,835
Speaker 1: are happy, and I've not heard another word about this lawsuit,

903
00:54:52,515 --> 00:54:55,915
Speaker 1: nothing from Mike Piazza. And I told the Fox people, well,

904
00:54:55,955 --> 00:54:57,675
Speaker 1: if I'm not going to hear anything more from them,

905
00:54:57,715 --> 00:55:00,035
Speaker 1: it's easy. I'm going to keep the bat, and I'm

906
00:55:00,035 --> 00:55:03,355
Speaker 1: going to donate twenty five thousand dollars to this charity,

907
00:55:03,395 --> 00:55:06,355
Speaker 1: the Baseball Assistance Team, which helps ex ball players in

908
00:55:06,395 --> 00:55:10,115
Speaker 1: financial need, because A I'm not a scrounger. B it's

909
00:55:10,155 --> 00:55:13,475
Speaker 1: a great cause. C that's actually much more than the

910
00:55:13,475 --> 00:55:15,515
Speaker 1: bat handle would be worth on the open market. And

911
00:55:15,635 --> 00:55:19,795
Speaker 1: D the acronym for the Baseball Assistance Team is bat

912
00:55:20,475 --> 00:55:24,555
Speaker 1: bat and that's perfect. It's about Piazza's bat, you get it.

913
00:55:25,995 --> 00:55:29,915
Speaker 1: And then nothing for a month, whereupon Fox gets another letter,

914
00:55:29,955 --> 00:55:33,715
Speaker 1: now from Piazza's agent fellow named Manzan, and he threatens

915
00:55:33,715 --> 00:55:36,195
Speaker 1: to sue again, and that's the end of it. Never

916
00:55:36,235 --> 00:55:39,155
Speaker 1: heard from him again. So now it's the next year,

917
00:55:39,195 --> 00:55:40,835
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, and I'm back in New York

918
00:55:40,915 --> 00:55:43,355
Speaker 1: working for CNN doing the news, and I go to

919
00:55:43,395 --> 00:55:45,475
Speaker 1: a Mets game and I see Piazza and I give

920
00:55:45,555 --> 00:55:47,275
Speaker 1: him a big smile and I offer my hand and

921
00:55:47,315 --> 00:55:49,715
Speaker 1: I say, steal ally of those sand dabs from SHAYJ.

922
00:55:50,035 --> 00:55:52,635
Speaker 1: And he just stares at me and walks right past me.

923
00:55:53,435 --> 00:55:55,235
Speaker 1: And I see a cop I know who works next

924
00:55:55,235 --> 00:55:57,675
Speaker 1: to the Mets dugout, and the cop says, Mike has

925
00:55:57,715 --> 00:56:01,115
Speaker 1: been asking him about me. Is that Keith Olderman the

926
00:56:01,155 --> 00:56:05,275
Speaker 1: one who stole my bat? So now I'm not just

927
00:56:05,395 --> 00:56:09,755
Speaker 1: keeping the bat. I want to sue Mike Piazza for

928
00:56:09,915 --> 00:56:13,395
Speaker 1: being a pain in the ass. And then nine to

929
00:56:13,435 --> 00:56:16,955
Speaker 1: eleven happens, and ball players are doing charity things, and

930
00:56:17,035 --> 00:56:20,955
Speaker 1: sportscasters and newscasters are doing charity things, and I think, well,

931
00:56:21,275 --> 00:56:24,235
Speaker 1: this is the time when the baseball season resumes. I

932
00:56:24,275 --> 00:56:25,995
Speaker 1: throw the bat handle in my bag and I go

933
00:56:26,035 --> 00:56:27,715
Speaker 1: out to a Mets game and I go up to

934
00:56:27,955 --> 00:56:30,115
Speaker 1: Piazza's locker before the game and I pull the bat

935
00:56:30,275 --> 00:56:33,235
Speaker 1: chart out and I say, take this, Mike, auction it

936
00:56:33,315 --> 00:56:35,355
Speaker 1: off for charity. Let's do some good with this. Or

937
00:56:35,355 --> 00:56:38,035
Speaker 1: if it's too much trouble, you sign it and I'll

938
00:56:38,075 --> 00:56:39,835
Speaker 1: auction it off. We can leave my name out of it,

939
00:56:39,875 --> 00:56:42,355
Speaker 1: whatever you want, however you want to do it. And

940
00:56:42,395 --> 00:56:45,035
Speaker 1: he looks at me like I've just insulted his mother

941
00:56:45,275 --> 00:56:48,115
Speaker 1: and says, no, it's too complicated, and he turns away

942
00:56:48,755 --> 00:56:53,435
Speaker 1: and I think to myself, this is the strangest athlete

943
00:56:53,515 --> 00:56:57,355
Speaker 1: I have ever met. And just before the season ends,

944
00:56:57,355 --> 00:56:59,675
Speaker 1: I go to another Mets game. Now, this time it's

945
00:56:59,715 --> 00:57:01,715
Speaker 1: one of his teammates who takes me aside and says,

946
00:57:01,955 --> 00:57:04,475
Speaker 1: you know, Piazza never stops talking about you stealing his

947
00:57:04,475 --> 00:57:06,835
Speaker 1: bat from the Clemens game last year. He says, he

948
00:57:06,875 --> 00:57:10,235
Speaker 1: still wants to sue you. Didn't you try to give

949
00:57:10,275 --> 00:57:12,515
Speaker 1: him the bat back in the clubhouse to auction off.

950
00:57:12,515 --> 00:57:14,795
Speaker 1: Didn't I see that? And I say, yeah, I did,

951
00:57:15,035 --> 00:57:17,235
Speaker 1: and he refused to take it. And the guy laughs

952
00:57:17,235 --> 00:57:20,595
Speaker 1: and he says, great player, excellent catcher. I love him.

953
00:57:20,995 --> 00:57:24,835
Speaker 1: Strangest player I have ever met. Comes two thousand and two,

954
00:57:25,275 --> 00:57:28,875
Speaker 1: nothing happens. See Piazza at several Mets games. Nothing happens.

955
00:57:28,915 --> 00:57:32,075
Speaker 1: Two thousand and three, nothing happens. Now. I can't pin

956
00:57:32,195 --> 00:57:34,435
Speaker 1: the year down on this. It's one of the Red

957
00:57:34,475 --> 00:57:37,435
Speaker 1: Sox Yankees playoff series, either two thousand and three or

958
00:57:37,475 --> 00:57:39,915
Speaker 1: two thousand and four. And I'm leaving the field as

959
00:57:39,955 --> 00:57:42,635
Speaker 1: they're clearing the media off just before the game starts,

960
00:57:42,755 --> 00:57:45,115
Speaker 1: and I'm going out through the Red Sox dugout literally

961
00:57:45,195 --> 00:57:48,275
Speaker 1: at the same spot where the kid handed me Piazza's

962
00:57:48,315 --> 00:57:51,555
Speaker 1: bat handle three or four years earlier, where the trouble

963
00:57:51,595 --> 00:57:54,475
Speaker 1: all began. And I see the new owner of the

964
00:57:54,475 --> 00:57:56,515
Speaker 1: Red Sox team approaching from the other end of the

965
00:57:56,555 --> 00:57:59,915
Speaker 1: dugout Keith John Henry, Nice to meet you. Have you

966
00:57:59,915 --> 00:58:03,315
Speaker 1: got a minute? And I said, well, yeah, they're kicking

967
00:58:03,355 --> 00:58:05,475
Speaker 1: the media off the field, and he laughs and he

968
00:58:05,475 --> 00:58:07,275
Speaker 1: says I can take care of that, and he yells

969
00:58:07,275 --> 00:58:09,835
Speaker 1: at the plane clothes cop and he says he's with me,

970
00:58:10,355 --> 00:58:12,275
Speaker 1: and the cop nods and John Henry, the owner of

971
00:58:12,315 --> 00:58:14,355
Speaker 1: the Red Sox, and I sit down on the Red

972
00:58:14,355 --> 00:58:16,715
Speaker 1: Sox bench before the start of a Red Sox Yankees

973
00:58:16,755 --> 00:58:19,075
Speaker 1: playoff game, and there are no other reporters out there,

974
00:58:19,075 --> 00:58:21,475
Speaker 1: and I think, Okay, what did I say about the

975
00:58:21,515 --> 00:58:25,915
Speaker 1: Red Sox? What is he pissed off about? Instead? John

976
00:58:25,955 --> 00:58:30,715
Speaker 1: Henry says, can I ask you about Mike Piazza? And

977
00:58:30,755 --> 00:58:35,435
Speaker 1: I laugh and I say, sure, what about him? And

978
00:58:35,475 --> 00:58:37,875
Speaker 1: he says, you have part of his bat from the

979
00:58:37,875 --> 00:58:40,635
Speaker 1: World Series with Clemens right, And I say yeah, and

980
00:58:40,675 --> 00:58:43,635
Speaker 1: he says, tell me the whole story. So I do

981
00:58:43,795 --> 00:58:47,235
Speaker 1: what you've just heard, and John Henry says, that's what

982
00:58:47,275 --> 00:58:50,475
Speaker 1: I was told. Thank you, huh. I thought it was me.

983
00:58:51,235 --> 00:58:53,155
Speaker 1: So that other piece of the bat that was handed

984
00:58:53,155 --> 00:58:55,515
Speaker 1: to a friend of Bobby Valentine's during that game, that

985
00:58:55,555 --> 00:58:57,395
Speaker 1: friend is a great friend of mine. And after nine

986
00:58:57,395 --> 00:58:59,115
Speaker 1: to eleven he said, wouldn't it be great to get

987
00:58:59,115 --> 00:59:01,435
Speaker 1: Mike Piazza to sign this and then we can auction

988
00:59:01,555 --> 00:59:03,595
Speaker 1: it off for the victims' families or the cops or

989
00:59:03,595 --> 00:59:06,355
Speaker 1: some other charity. And he gives me the bat, and

990
00:59:06,395 --> 00:59:08,195
Speaker 1: I call the Mets and they approach Mike and they

991
00:59:08,195 --> 00:59:10,115
Speaker 1: call me and they say, Mike loves the idea, and

992
00:59:10,115 --> 00:59:11,715
Speaker 1: I should come to one of the spring training games

993
00:59:11,755 --> 00:59:14,075
Speaker 1: and he'll sign it. So the next March, I go

994
00:59:14,115 --> 00:59:15,995
Speaker 1: to one of the Mets spring training games and I

995
00:59:15,995 --> 00:59:17,635
Speaker 1: go up to him in the clubhouse and I introduce

996
00:59:17,675 --> 00:59:20,075
Speaker 1: myself and he looks at me like I'm from Mars,

997
00:59:20,595 --> 00:59:22,435
Speaker 1: and I say, well, I brought the bat, and he says,

998
00:59:22,435 --> 00:59:24,995
Speaker 1: what bat? And I explained that we had arranged to

999
00:59:25,035 --> 00:59:27,635
Speaker 1: have him sign the bat from the World Series for

1000
00:59:27,675 --> 00:59:29,755
Speaker 1: a nine to eleven charity and he erupts at me,

1001
00:59:29,875 --> 00:59:32,635
Speaker 1: I'm not signing that bat sure for charity? Do you

1002
00:59:32,635 --> 00:59:36,875
Speaker 1: think I was born yesterday? And now I say something

1003
00:59:36,915 --> 00:59:39,435
Speaker 1: to John Henry, owner of the Red Sox, like, welcome

1004
00:59:39,475 --> 00:59:42,195
Speaker 1: to the club. Did he threaten to sue you too?

1005
00:59:42,635 --> 00:59:45,235
Speaker 1: And he laughs and says yes. That's the next part

1006
00:59:45,235 --> 00:59:48,315
Speaker 1: of the story. So while we're trying to straighten that out,

1007
00:59:48,875 --> 00:59:51,035
Speaker 1: his agent calls me and asks if I will give

1008
00:59:51,075 --> 00:59:53,195
Speaker 1: them the bat to auction off for charity. And I

1009
00:59:53,235 --> 00:59:56,835
Speaker 1: say sure, And I go to another Mets game and

1010
00:59:56,875 --> 00:59:59,035
Speaker 1: I go to the clubhouse and I have the bat again.

1011
00:59:59,115 --> 01:00:01,955
Speaker 1: Now Piazza says, no, I can't take the bat because

1012
01:00:01,995 --> 01:00:05,235
Speaker 1: of pending litigation, but if I I want him to,

1013
01:00:05,755 --> 01:00:08,035
Speaker 1: he'll sign it for me. All I have to do

1014
01:00:08,115 --> 01:00:11,315
Speaker 1: is come back a couple of weeks later. So this

1015
01:00:11,435 --> 01:00:14,275
Speaker 1: is what I wanted to ask Keith. Is he the

1016
01:00:14,315 --> 01:00:17,035
Speaker 1: strangest ballplayer you've ever met? Or is it just me?

1017
01:00:19,435 --> 01:00:23,995
Speaker 1: There's one more part to this. Flash forward to twenty fourteen.

1018
01:00:25,875 --> 01:00:29,035
Speaker 1: I still have the Piazza batthandle the one I unsuccessfully

1019
01:00:29,035 --> 01:00:31,755
Speaker 1: tried to give back to Piazza. The middle portion, the

1020
01:00:31,755 --> 01:00:34,635
Speaker 1: one John Henry unsuccessfully tried to give back to Piazza,

1021
01:00:34,955 --> 01:00:38,515
Speaker 1: has been sold with the proceeds going to charity. So

1022
01:00:38,635 --> 01:00:41,235
Speaker 1: where is the third piece, the barrel of the bat?

1023
01:00:41,395 --> 01:00:43,595
Speaker 1: The part that Clemens threw at Piazza if you're a

1024
01:00:43,595 --> 01:00:46,635
Speaker 1: Met fan, or was unfairly accused of throwing at Piazza

1025
01:00:46,715 --> 01:00:49,475
Speaker 1: if you're not a Met fan, And the answer finally

1026
01:00:49,515 --> 01:00:53,235
Speaker 1: arrives in a sports memorabilia auction catalog that year, while

1027
01:00:53,235 --> 01:00:55,635
Speaker 1: one of the visiting bat boys was handing the middle

1028
01:00:55,635 --> 01:00:58,355
Speaker 1: part of the bat to a friend of Bobby Valentine

1029
01:00:58,355 --> 01:01:02,035
Speaker 1: and John Henry's in the stands, the barrel, which landed

1030
01:01:02,075 --> 01:01:04,515
Speaker 1: near the Yankee dugout, was scooped up by the Yankee

1031
01:01:05,555 --> 01:01:08,315
Speaker 1: who put it in the pile of Yankee broken bats.

1032
01:01:08,795 --> 01:01:10,755
Speaker 1: And as it turned out right at that point, the

1033
01:01:10,835 --> 01:01:15,035
Speaker 1: Yankee strengthen conditioning coach Jeff Mangold, who was on the bench, said,

1034
01:01:15,315 --> 01:01:17,875
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's the pile of broken bats they're

1035
01:01:17,915 --> 01:01:20,475
Speaker 1: going to throw out. They shouldn't throw it out. It's history.

1036
01:01:20,955 --> 01:01:23,355
Speaker 1: And he grabs that part of the Piazza bat and

1037
01:01:23,435 --> 01:01:25,155
Speaker 1: puts it up in his home office. And now it's

1038
01:01:25,195 --> 01:01:27,595
Speaker 1: fourteen years later and he wants to auction it off

1039
01:01:27,595 --> 01:01:30,875
Speaker 1: for charity. So he auctions it off, and I think, well, hell,

1040
01:01:31,395 --> 01:01:33,555
Speaker 1: it should be alongside the other piece of the bat.

1041
01:01:33,635 --> 01:01:36,195
Speaker 1: My other piece of the bat, the handle so I

1042
01:01:36,315 --> 01:01:40,435
Speaker 1: win the auction. There it is on my wall, complete

1043
01:01:40,435 --> 01:01:42,955
Speaker 1: with a baseball card showing Roger Clemens about to throw

1044
01:01:42,995 --> 01:01:48,035
Speaker 1: the barrel. Reasons left to your imagination two thirds of

1045
01:01:48,075 --> 01:01:52,075
Speaker 1: the famous bat. I'll sell it someday, I'm sure, but

1046
01:01:52,155 --> 01:01:57,115
Speaker 1: I'll always have the memories, my memories and John Henry's memories.

1047
01:01:57,555 --> 01:01:59,795
Speaker 1: And if you're wondering, no, Unlike John Henry and I,

1048
01:01:59,835 --> 01:02:03,035
Speaker 1: that Yankee strength coach, Jeff Mangold never tried to give

1049
01:02:03,075 --> 01:02:05,395
Speaker 1: it back to Piazza, or get it signed by Piazza

1050
01:02:05,475 --> 01:02:08,115
Speaker 1: or auctioned off for charity with Piazza, which means that,

1051
01:02:08,155 --> 01:02:12,155
Speaker 1: on top of everything else, Jeff Mangold is smarter than

1052
01:02:12,235 --> 01:02:28,675
Speaker 1: John Henry and I put together. I've done all the

1053
01:02:28,715 --> 01:02:30,955
Speaker 1: damage I can do here. Thank you for listening. Countdown

1054
01:02:30,955 --> 01:02:32,955
Speaker 1: has come to you from the Vin Scully Studios at

1055
01:02:32,995 --> 01:02:37,035
Speaker 1: the Old Women Broadcasting Empire in New York. Countdown musical

1056
01:02:37,035 --> 01:02:39,915
Speaker 1: directors Brian Ray and John Phillips Chanel arranged, produced and

1057
01:02:39,955 --> 01:02:44,395
Speaker 1: performed most of our music. Mister Chanelle handled orchestration and keyboards.

1058
01:02:44,475 --> 01:02:48,035
Speaker 1: Mister Ray was on guitars, bass and drums, and it

1059
01:02:48,075 --> 01:02:51,715
Speaker 1: was produced by Tko Brothers. Other music including other Beethoven

1060
01:02:51,835 --> 01:02:56,395
Speaker 1: tunes arranged and performed by No Horns Allowed Sports Music

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Speaker 1: courtesy of ESPN, Inc. It was written by Mitch Warren Davis.

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Speaker 1: It's called the Old Wrioman theme from ESPN two. Our

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Speaker 1: satirical and pithy musical comments are by Nancy Faust, the

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Speaker 1: best baseball stadium organist ever. Our announcer today is my

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Speaker 1: friend Larry David, and everything else was pretty much my fault.

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Speaker 1: So that's countdown for this the oney twenty second day

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Speaker 1: since Donald Trump's first attempted coup against the democratically elected

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Speaker 1: government of the United States. Convict him now, well, we

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Speaker 1: still can. The next schedule countdown is tomorrow. Bolton says,

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Speaker 1: the news warrants till then. I'm Keith Oldman. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, good night, and good luck. Countdown with Keith

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Speaker 1: Oldman is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

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