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Speaker 1: Beholden to Nothing and No One. Welcome back to another

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Speaker 1: edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansis and I am joined by a room filled

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Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Susler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosa. All

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Speaker 1: what's up boys? Hey Dan bod Light, I said, all right,

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Speaker 1: already not bad, But no one remembers when that happened

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Speaker 1: I think that it's it's a little bit never that space.

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Speaker 1: As an adkint, I send out before every show an

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Speaker 1: email that is a rundown to the podcast and um

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Speaker 1: I included an image of um the bud light I said,

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Speaker 1: I missed that, but you only sent that ten minutes ago,

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Speaker 1: are you guys on another kick? Another folk kick? Connors

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Speaker 1: drinking well today was ten large tumblers of water. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And he's gonna do it every day as am I.

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Speaker 1: it's yeah it. Here's the thing. I mean, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: wearing Problems podcast hat. Well, it was just a mess,

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Speaker 1: But for our essentially you are a billboard right now.

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Speaker 1: For the the former number one podcast of this website,

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Speaker 1: Mark and I had this great now where the number

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Speaker 1: now you guys would be including we'd be cut in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we actually know. We had a going where we came

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Speaker 1: no point getting involved, alright, Greg, you're right. Um, this

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Speaker 1: sponsored by and No One, beloved by millions beholden to

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Speaker 1: Nothing and nobody. That's that's true and I did jokingly.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Dan handed out awards to each and

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Speaker 1: did Lakisha. Yes, Lukisha Lakisha on our desk helped with

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Speaker 1: We got drinking water in them. We're drinking a lot

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Speaker 1: his great play in the month of July. I've been

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Speaker 1: That's spring from everywhere. What is the significance of the

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Speaker 1: Stevie Johnson, the Chargers wide out UH is facing surgery

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Speaker 1: buying low, that this guy is just reaching the peak

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Speaker 1: of his career now and they're kind of locking him

428
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Speaker 1: in at a low price, that would be the thought

429
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Speaker 1: we stop talking about Eric Fisher. You really were the

430
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Speaker 1: one that wanted to keep going. Who hot but tackle

431
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: talking it's fun was good, It was good. Let's move

432
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: on and talk about a general manager who um speaking

433
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 1: hot butts. It was a scorching butt, second degree burns

434
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Speaker 1: on his buttocks. Reggie Mackenzie after a rough start to

435
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 1: his tenure with the Oakland Raiders, but it's gotten better

436
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: and better. So he's made some bad moves along the way,

437
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: but started drafting better. He's got some pieces in place now,

438
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: a lot of optimism around the Raiders, and apparently the

439
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: team believes in Reggie because he just got a four

440
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: year extension. Uh. This came down on Friday night, and

441
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Speaker 1: that means that Reggie Mackenzie goes from a guy that

442
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Speaker 1: looked like he was in deep trouble in peril a

443
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: couple of years ago to a guy that has more

444
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Speaker 1: job security than anybody. Chris westle Well Mark Davis there

445
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Speaker 1: under came out a couple of off seasons ago and says,

446
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Speaker 1: I know you can deconstruct a roster because he didn't

447
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Speaker 1: say this, but my dad left the roster in pretty

448
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: bad shape. Let's see you reconstructed. And that's exactly what

449
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: he did. He started out signing a bunch of over

450
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Speaker 1: the hill veterans, And for the life of me, I

451
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Speaker 1: could still cantors saying how that scouting department signed off

452
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Speaker 1: on a match shop trade after it was obvious the

453
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: guy could no longer throw a football. But since then,

454
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: like you said, he hit on Khalil Mack, Derek Carr

455
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: and Marii Cooper. And that's find a better under under

456
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: Trio any team in the NFL than that Trio. I

457
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: mean we we critiqued him heavily as a group at

458
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: a time when the Raiders were doing stuff that felt

459
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Speaker 1: very desperate, and they were throwing a lot of money

460
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Speaker 1: around at veterans that had been good a year and

461
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: a half two years previous. But if you don't draft well,

462
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a team that has long

463
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Speaker 1: standing success. And the Raiders had these high picks, and

464
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: you know what, it seems obvious just pick well and

465
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Speaker 1: pick good players. How many teams have had top five,

466
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Speaker 1: top ten picks a year after year and can't do

467
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Speaker 1: that some good free agent pickups two And you mentioned

468
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, we were we were critical, but really I

469
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: think you know, there was one man that was the

470
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Speaker 1: most critical of of Reggie mackenzie. Um and people have noticed.

471
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Speaker 1: I actually got to text this weekend from Reggie right

472
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Speaker 1: after he signed signed the contract. This is a bit.

473
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Speaker 1: This was that was one of the first things he

474
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Speaker 1: wanted to do it. He said, said that at midnight

475
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: and he and it just it just says, Uh, tell

476
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Speaker 1: your boy West to suck it. Yeah, Brandon, very good.

477
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Speaker 1: Uh see how that worked nicely? Mark, How do you

478
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Speaker 1: feel about Greg using your bit against my thing? Is

479
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: not a bit mine? Is? I am? You know I'm

480
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Speaker 1: hearing from Greg sporadically and it's disturbing. Not over the

481
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: weekend he went totally dark. If you know Reggie, you

482
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Speaker 1: know he has a long memory and he's going to

483
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Speaker 1: use that stuff for motivation. Here's our job, as I see,

484
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: when people are doing their job well, you say they're

485
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: doing their job well. When they're they're doing their job poorly,

486
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: you say they're doing their job poorly, or else I

487
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: could just kind of pussy foot around like other people do.

488
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: I like, I know, I just like giving you the

489
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: bag was the one who took offense. I can't understand

490
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Speaker 1: from disadvantage point. Well, Lookge's coming from. Reggie got trashed

491
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: when he deserved to get trashed. So West, what you're

492
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: saying basically is, if someone is doing a poor job

493
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: and it becomes apparent that they shouldn't be in that job,

494
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna let them know. I wouldn't be good at

495
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: my job if I didn't point out when other people

496
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: are doing things poorly. Right, you walk right up to

497
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: him and you say, honestly, it's important in any business.

498
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: One counterpoint, I know, I know we're like our eight

499
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Speaker 1: of news here, but isn't there something to be said

500
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: for more organizational patients with a lot of these situations.

501
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: The Raiders they made it very easy because of some

502
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: of the crazy stuff they're doing. But I mean, more

503
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: teams are blowing the thing up after two years and

504
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: they can stay in that place Cincinnati, Why West quit

505
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: on the Bengals where they just kept guys employed that

506
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: should have been employed. Isn't there the flip side where

507
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: if you're too patient, you're just wasting I'm not saying

508
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: go fourteen years with it, but you know, the Raiders

509
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: were a candidate to just just to detonate the whole

510
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Speaker 1: machine after a season and a half. Where would they

511
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Speaker 1: be if they did that? We have to save that

512
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: for the Cincinnati Bengals in entire Fire nine nineties podcasts. Right,

513
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: I meant more, not that Marvin Lewis era. I meant more,

514
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Speaker 1: And they were overly patient with some real Uh. Can

515
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Speaker 1: I just say, like, you know, I know, we're all

516
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, pattent old Reggie on the back. And it

517
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: seems like a pretty good team. But let's see, you know,

518
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Speaker 1: a winning season. That's fair. You know, well, they're under

519
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: a lot of pro BacT of the the playoffs. Haven't been

520
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: to the playoffs in like twelve years, thirteen years, that's fair.

521
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: I'd like to see Derek Carr played a lot better

522
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Speaker 1: than he did in the final two months last season.

523
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Speaker 1: Another extension, General manager Rick Smith of the Texans extended

524
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Speaker 1: through uh. He is entering his eleventh season as the

525
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: team's general manager. Um, and you know this is another

526
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Speaker 1: team that made the playoffs last year, got embarrassed. Of course,

527
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: in the postseason, the owner threw down the hammer, said

528
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Speaker 1: go get a quarterback or else. They went and got

529
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Speaker 1: a quarterback. And now, in a lot of ways, greg

530
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Speaker 1: Rick Smith is tied to the rock Osweilder experience, isn't

531
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Speaker 1: he he is? But he has great security. And this

532
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: really speaks to what Mark was just talking about. The

533
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: Texans I think value stability more than just about any organization.

534
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: They stuck with Gary Kubiak for a very long time

535
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: as as head coach, did not want to make a change.

536
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: Rick Smith has been around since so six. He's only

537
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Speaker 1: forty six years old. He's now signed through. That means

538
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: if he gets to the end, whether he makes it

539
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: to the end of that contract or not, he just

540
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: made fifty fourteen years as an NFL general manager contract

541
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Speaker 1: and that's a pretty good run. Don't you think if

542
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Speaker 1: he had found a quarterback a few years ago, he'd

543
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Speaker 1: be seen as one of the better gms in the league.

544
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Speaker 1: Considering his who drafts better in the first round than

545
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Speaker 1: in Texans that that's a great point that they have

546
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Speaker 1: managed to stay competitive for the most part. There's some

547
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: exceptions a couple of years ago with uh what were

548
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: they three? And jury's out there, but I don't know

549
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: if that's his fault, right, But for the most part

550
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: they have been a consi consistent competitive team without a quarterback,

551
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: which is very tricky to pull off. Helps to have

552
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: the greatest defensive but even before but even before then,

553
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: with shob and I don't really count. He was never

554
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: a top ten type of quarterback. They were. They were

555
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: a good team, not a great team. I like their

556
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Speaker 1: owner rosters. He's a good type of owner because he's

557
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: held multiple people's feet to the fire. But he's also

558
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: at the same time patient. It's a good mix. Like

559
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: it's not some floating organsation organization where the owner is detached.

560
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: That's no, that's not good. Good Uh good stadium. You're

561
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: getting the super Bowl again this year. If you're doing

562
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: an owner's you know, effectiveness power rankings, McNair is gonna

563
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: be He's gonna be up there. And you could read

564
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Speaker 1: between the lines with the last six or seven minutes

565
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: of Mark Sessler's opinions. Right, but I know where your

566
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Speaker 1: but you want from the Browns absolutely, But I think

567
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Speaker 1: I thought you were charm our bosses to value stability

568
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: and uh, that wouldn't be terrible either, that'd be great.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a boss. I just float through the

570
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: this industry. Now. Wait, but that's what you want, right,

571
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: I think any sports fan would want that. You want

572
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: to see your team make good decisions and stick with

573
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: good people, and that's not been the case in Cleveland.

574
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush is a member of the Buffalo Bills. Incentive

575
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Speaker 1: incentive late in one year deal. What's going on with you? Greg?

576
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: I just felt like the show are you? Are you

577
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: that excited? I was really I was really excited. Just

578
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: their backfields fascinating, felt like the show some energy. He

579
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Speaker 1: is Reggie Bush. He's getting dangerously and you know, respect

580
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: to Reggie Bush, but how much do we have to

581
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: talk about the guy? He has not done much outside.

582
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Speaker 1: You know, he had some nice season New Orleans did something.

583
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: Ran for a thousand yards once and it was treated

584
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: like he ran for two thousand in Miami one year.

585
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: But Reggie Bush is not really a difference maker in

586
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: the league anymore, is he. I feel like you've been

587
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: saying this for three years. He was good for those

588
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: two years in Miami Backs. He's like your version of

589
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: Eric Fisher. I mean, you remember what a big deal

590
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: they made him and when he ran for a thousand

591
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: yards my own it's you know, two thousand sixteen. Uh, well,

592
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: it's it's gone full circle. He was known as a

593
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: great return man at one at one point, and now,

594
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: by the sound of it, I think they just want

595
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: him to be a return specialist. Just about with that

596
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: runs a little bit. I think they've they've had a

597
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: terrible first week of camp and Rex Ryan in terms

598
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: of returns, and Rex Ryan said it and kind of

599
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: panicked and said, all right, let's let's bring Reggie Bush.

600
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: And Connor or made a good point. I think it

601
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: was on Twitter or maybe in something he wrote today

602
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: that Rex does have and Rex rubs off on his

603
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: g M s. It's very clear, Um, he does have

604
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: a kind of a fantasy football type look. Sometimes it

605
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: feels like with these veteran players that they end up

606
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: going to whatever team he's on. Percy Harvin to the

607
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: Jets comes to mind, but there are many others. When

608
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: he was in Miami, didn't Rex and and Reggie Bush

609
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: have that? I remember have to write tedious uh articles

610
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: week after week about them joined at each other in

611
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: the press. I don't remember that. I want to make

612
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: an argument for Reggie bust okay, but quickly because we

613
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: really got him now, because who cares? We gotta light

614
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: show here? What else is there else? How much Reggie

615
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Bush do we have to talk about? Three straight years here?

616
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: Oh one to thirteen yards from scrimmage two twelve seventy eight, fifteen,

617
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: twelve good at least seven touchdowns in each one of

618
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Speaker 1: those years. Has another year like that early in his career.

619
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Speaker 1: He probably has as many twelve fifty uh yards from scrimmage,

620
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: just about his Jamal Charles in his career. I'm not wrong.

621
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan during some Jets Dolphins affair said they had

622
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: to put some hot sauce on Reggie Bush and then

623
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: they heard him right in that game. Uh, that's fine,

624
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: but you know, I just want to say he was

625
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: He was hailed as the next Scale Sayers when he

626
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: came into the league, and we still treat him like

627
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: he was, you know, an all time talent, but he

628
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: never became that guy. That's all. I like Reggie Bush.

629
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Speaker 1: He seems like a nice dude. Well he certainly would,

630
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, lead a list of guys who are more

631
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: famous as football players than had a great career. That's true. Yeah, Um,

632
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: Alden Smith moving on, is UH has checked into rehab?

633
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: UH clearly should not be a surprise after what happened

634
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: that we we talked about on last week's show with

635
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: that insane um. I think it was a periscope post

636
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: where it appeared to be Alden Smith, who's suspension for

637
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: substance abuse issues smoking a gigantic blunt appeared to be

638
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: just massive. Well, we never saw his face. This kind

639
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Speaker 1: of all it connects the dots if you needed to

640
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Speaker 1: be done. He's in rehab. Reggie mackenzie said that the

641
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: Raiders will not give up on all Alden Uh and

642
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: it makes sense they have an investment in him. But

643
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: who knows when we'll see him back on the field.

644
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: Might not see him this season. He was supposed to

645
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: be suspended for half the season and this just makes

646
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: you wonder whether that's gonna, you know, get extended out

647
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: into two thousand seventeen. They're talking about caring more about

648
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: the person and the player. I think that should tell

649
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: you a lot. And finally, Cowboys linebacker Damien Wilson as

650
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: missing the beginning of training camp after he took a

651
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: paintball to the eye during a paintball expedition. I just

652
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: want to touch on this because you know, I wrote

653
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: on Friday, right before I left for them, the celebration

654
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: reflection banquet for the Shield. I wrote a post on

655
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Speaker 1: the end Around blog which you could read it NFL

656
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Speaker 1: dot com, Slash and Around the Lead paintball is terrible,

657
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I was just having some fun here.

658
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: I I don't like paintball. I went once on my

659
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: own bachelor party. No less, I kind of got is

660
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: this where some of the feelings come from that that's

661
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: what you had to do it for your bachelor party.

662
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: It was something that was I was. My bachelor party

663
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: took place in New York City and in the middle

664
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: of the weekend, we took out. We got a bus

665
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: to Staten Island, UH to go paintballing, and UH didn't

666
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: do much for me, and I just that's I have

667
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: strong feelings on it, I guess. And but then big

668
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: paintball came after me all weekend. I am some of

669
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: the most you know, angry like rantings I've ever gotten

670
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: in my six years at this company for anything I've

671
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: ever written. People. Somehow we're even connecting me to somehow

672
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: defending the NFL's issues with head injuries and concussions by

673
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: saying that I was in the bag, I was in

674
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: the tank for the NFL by saying I was against paintball,

675
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: It's like, no, they're not connected, bro. So the paintball

676
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: crazies came out. They all I think they're all crazy too.

677
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: That's a theory that I'm working under here. But they're

678
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: very angry that I would say something negative about paintball,

679
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: and I'm just here not to apologize, but just to

680
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: say it's okay to have an opinion. Guys, that's mine.

681
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 1: I'm anti paintball, and you know, let get off my case.

682
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't even think you went deep enough. Paintball's the worst.

683
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: I have six brothers. If any of them wanted to

684
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: go to a bachelor party of the features paintball, I'd

685
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: be like, sorry, I'm not going to your lame bachelor party.

686
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is people that are really still

687
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: into paintball in the year two thousand and sixteen maybe

688
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: have anger. What's great is whatever that wherever that came from,

689
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: and how that escalated with this overly sensitive paintball community.

690
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: They are now going to come at all four of

691
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Speaker 1: us thanks to this review. I am. I agree with

692
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Speaker 1: you brought us into your your white I'm fine with

693
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: this is a this is a battle I am. I

694
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: am willing to follow Dan into into battle four because

695
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: I I getting shot to death by paintball. Yeah, we're

696
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: talk about people, you know, I too played paintball once

697
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: and it was at a bachelor party and I was

698
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: up with you people, and I it wasn't my bachelor party,

699
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: but it's some lame bachelor party. It's it's a It

700
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 1: was a part of the bachelor Me and a couple

701
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: other of the people involved in the game. We just

702
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: kind of hung her out in the back and we're

703
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: just waiting for it. It was just all right, can

704
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: this thing and can someone win or lose so we

705
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: can start drinking. Sound like, admit right, I would not,

706
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not. By the way, That is the

707
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: least surprising development here that Greg would go to paintball

708
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: and then be the guy hanging out in the back

709
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: waiting for a day. Is it? Are we like hiding

710
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: in the forest behind tree exactly? You're just kind of

711
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: hiding there, hanging out talking with the other guys who

712
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: aren't putting in great effort. Here's one lesson I've learned

713
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: in forty two years of living. Bachelor parties are among

714
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: the most over hyped events which never deliver that you

715
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: could possibly imagine. You are not far from wrong that

716
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: I disagree. I've been to some great bachelor parties, but

717
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: I've been to a lot that involved playing poker and

718
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to shoot myself. Come on, bachelor, Yeah, that's annoying.

719
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: Actually not that, right, group, if you're gonna have bachelor,

720
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have poker, is a major part of

721
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: your bachelor party. Everyone in the bachelor party has to

722
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: be way into because that's very inclusive, right, But that's

723
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: have your paintball too that do they not check beforehand

724
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: or do you discover it year? That's a bad job.

725
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: I know. I'm just sorry. I mean I was. I

726
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: kind of talked into it a little bit and I

727
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I guess it'll be fun, Like we

728
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: could drink and its just like a part of the day.

729
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: But by the time I got on the bus, that

730
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: was my favorite part of the day when I was

731
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: going back to Manhattan and were it's ready to drink

732
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: some more so. Yeah, and but yeah poker, And I

733
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: remember that, like this is early two thousand's. I remember

734
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: any gift I got from an aunt or a Chris's.

735
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I was getting these poker sets

736
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is up with the big poker

737
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: coming after like early twenties somethings. Enough with the poker too.

738
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: That was a regrettable phase of American life, the whole

739
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: poker phase. M No, it's no good. I think it

740
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: kept a rhoda world lights on for a little while.

741
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: The old online gambling poker industry. It was the site

742
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: you built from scratch. I'm just saying it kept it

743
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: got them by for a little while until the American

744
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: populace caught up with fantasy sports. Interesting activity in the

745
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: year thirteen forty three when there was no electricity. Hey,

746
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: let's go play cards. So this is against all card

747
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: games in general. Cards are lane. I can get upward

748
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: that the parlor games in the cards all the time

749
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: has it's we're playing cards not everything needs to be

750
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: futurized with. Should know that a man tied to the

751
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: past in so many ways. I was taught to play

752
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: you at a very young age. Maybe I'm still scarred

753
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: from it. And and Mark, as always, we know that

754
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: you have a very narrow like lane for things you like,

755
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: and everything else is terrible. I I it's not a

756
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: messy lane, but I I don't like parlor games and

757
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: I could maybe I should just fake it and go

758
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: to these things with you guys, and I'll just sit

759
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: there and play these board games. Was very angry that

760
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: we were playing pool enough that that's that's too much.

761
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the right spot for it. But

762
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: in this particular card game discussion, I think what you've

763
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: brought up is something that America needs to realize a

764
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: little more. I'm with you on the anti cards three

765
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: to one. Oh yeah, that doesn't matter to me. Big

766
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: poker goes down in a big spot, but no, I'm

767
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: anti poker. That's what's happening in the news. All right,

768
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: let's talk now, biggest surprises of camp so far? And um,

769
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: one thing I know you like mark football? You like

770
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: that's in the lane. In the lane. Let me go

771
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: over the things that I know of football? Yeah, books, yeah,

772
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: Star Wars both, yes, Star Wars yeah, I mean, not

773
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: to some not to the levels you think so, but yes,

774
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: popular crime, yes, books about it. I don't like the

775
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: fact that you heard of that book that. Well, we'll talk,

776
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: we'll talk off. I think The Girls by Emma Klein. Okay,

777
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna like it. Okay, that's it. His fai. Well,

778
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: people like a lot of people. Yeah, I don't you

779
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: mean activities. Yeah, you've you've covered a large portion of

780
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: it too much. Well, I don't know about that. I mean, yes,

781
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: the Rich Eyes and podcast, good luck to them all. Right,

782
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: here we go, Mike, Let's start with you. Uh. For you,

783
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: the biggest surprise of camp so far, it's I can't

784
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: believe that were days in the camp and that r

785
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: G three is taking every first team snap at the Browns.

786
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: We touched on this in the last show, and for me,

787
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: it's it's much more about Hugh Jackson had one of

788
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: a couple of ways to go here, and he is

789
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: so clearly focused on making this r G three thing

790
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: work that whether you're Josh McCown, whether you're Cody Kessler,

791
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: you don't seem to have a shot. They're gonna put

792
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: RG three out there, sink or swim, and I think

793
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very unusual approach by Hugh Jackson,

794
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: who preaches competition and every other position and look at

795
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: you look at other teams like Chip Kelly and San Francisco,

796
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: it's a completely different way of doing things. Split the

797
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: reps right down the middle, and I think if you're

798
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: a team like Cleveland, where you clearly don't have approved

799
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: and started. We're talking about a guy that since two

800
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve has been a big disappointment. This is

801
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: a risk, it's a gamble, and what if it goes

802
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: very poorly two weeks into the preseason, Hugh Jackson is

803
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: going to have a lot of explaining to do. If

804
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: it works, it only adds to the aura around Hugh

805
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: Jackson that he is the quarterback whisper of choice right now.

806
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: I was approaching this from the standpoint of what r

807
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: G three and Josh McCown have put on game film

808
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: since that two thousand and twelve season, in preseason as

809
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: well as the regular season, and from that point of view,

810
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine that you would just give the

811
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: job to r G three. But then I tried to

812
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: approach it like Hugh Jackson, who felt the earth move

813
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: under his feet during r G three's try out, and

814
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: he knows what Josh McCown is. You can always turn

815
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: back to him if he has to, but he wants

816
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: to see what he has in r G three. If

817
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: he can wrangle any of that two thousand and twelve

818
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: I guess potential out of him. But I think the

819
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: risk is why call it a competition. Yeah, I think

820
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: the risk is why what are the players? And I

821
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: guess the idio not that you're too worried about the media.

822
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: They know it's not a competition, So you don't want

823
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: to get in the habit of saying things to your

824
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: team that have no meeting, that that this is a

825
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: competition when it's not a competition. And and r G three,

826
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: it's not like he's earned the first team all the

827
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: first team reps from day one, first practice. Josh McCown

828
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: has literally not taken a single first team rep. I

829
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: mean most most teams all just mixed guys in. It's

830
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: almost like he's going out of his way to say, no,

831
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: we want to get RG three as ready as possible.

832
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: At least. The one thing is he isn't going to

833
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: apparently stretch this into week three or four of the preseason.

834
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do this, he said, he's gonna name

835
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: it before the first preseason game and you move on.

836
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: Maybe Josh McCown sits out there is trade bait for

837
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: a team that has you know, a calamity happened under center.

838
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: I just I'm just surprised that what what is what

839
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: is wrong with having them compete. That's why it's surprising

840
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: to me, especially in this specific team, in the roster,

841
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: are they is it? Are there issues where part of

842
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: the rebuilding of r G three is rebuilding his confidence

843
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: and they? But is that worth really going out in

844
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: the limb like this? I don't know. It's it just

845
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: feels like a real risky move to start out your

846
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: tenure for a franchise that has struggled so tremendously at

847
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. It just feels like we're heading towards

848
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: a meteor with this. It's very different, but it just

849
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: occurred to me. This was the situation in Washington last year.

850
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: We were having a very similar conversation. Why does Jay

851
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: Gruden keep saying over and over r G three is

852
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: the starter? R G three is the starter throughout the

853
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: end of July and the beginning of August. By the

854
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: end of August, he flipped it and he changed his mind. Well,

855
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: we knew after like the second preseason game. You watch

856
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: a team and Kirk Cousins is playing at a different

857
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: level than r G three West. What is the biggest

858
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: surprise you've seen so far? I think Arian Foster that

859
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: I had thought that there was a chance he could

860
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: get cut, you know, by the end of training camp,

861
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: and now all of the word out of Miami seems

862
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: to be that he's already bypassed J G. I E.

863
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: And it's going to be the starter entering the Sea.

864
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: Reason that he's in impeccable shape, that he looks good

865
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: and a GI he's dealing with injuries of his own now,

866
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: but it seems like all the momentum there is an

867
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: Arian Foster's corner that he's going to be the starting

868
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: running back for the Miami Dolph. Is that another one

869
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: where you would have wanted to see preseason games and

870
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: game film of him now versus sure projection? Sure, but

871
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: I kind of trust the coaching staff on this one

872
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: because the game film for Arian Foster two thousand four

873
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: team was sublime and last year we knew he was

874
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: playing injured and he wasn't in football shape yet, so

875
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: I can I can give him a pass on that well,

876
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: And it's to me, it's it's partly who gets to

877
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: Week one healthy. There's just because he's the starter right now.

878
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: A gy is hurt right now. Kenyan Drake has been

879
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: an injury prone guy throughout his career. It's like which

880
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: one of those three gets in fresh because there's no

881
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: guarantee Arian Foster is going to survive the preseason and

882
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: all these practices they But I am surprised to your

883
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: point that that if everyone's healthy, it looks like it's

884
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: gonna be Foster. It feels a little desperate to me.

885
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: It feels like they're hoping and praying that this is

886
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: a hell mary that gets caught, that he becomes something

887
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: close to what he was when he was healthy. And

888
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: it says something about J A. G. I that they

889
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: must not be too high on him. To think that

890
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: Alran Foster walked right back in the lineup after having

891
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: such terrible injury issues and looking so slow last year.

892
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: I don't think it speaks well to that backfield. Mhmm yeah.

893
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: I mean we knew that backfield had issues. That's why

894
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: they went after Aaron Foster to begin with. Think the

895
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: line should be better, Greg, what has been the biggest

896
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: surprise of camp so far for you? Well, I think

897
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: if you're a Bills fan, it's been a bad offseason

898
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: and that's continued uh in training camp. For instance, Manny Lawson,

899
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: who is the replacement for Shack Lawson is now injured,

900
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: might be out for a long time. Who knows. There

901
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: they might be starting I K and and but here's

902
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: some good news for the Bills. It sounds like there's

903
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot of optimism that they're gonna get this contract

904
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: done for Tyrod Taylor before the end of camp. According

905
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: to our NFL media insider, uh he you know, Ian

906
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: Rappaport saying that the contract negotiations negotiations have picked up recently,

907
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: and it's a tricky contract to pull off because I

908
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: don't know how exactly they're gonna value Taylor. It sounded

909
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: like there was no chance this was gonna happen, And

910
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: if I'm a Bills fan, I'm excited about that. I

911
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: think you want to make sure you lock up Taylor,

912
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: and if if it goes sideways and you give him

913
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: a little too much guaranteed money and he doesn't have

914
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: a great season, no big deal. I think this is

915
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: a very difficult contract to figure out, and it really

916
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: sounds like it's gonna happen. I think that's a pleasant

917
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: surprise for the Bill No. I was just gonna say,

918
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: I kind of look at the opposite way. I thought

919
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: they were playing this right I thought they would need

920
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: they needed to see more from this guy. And this

921
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: was although it wasn't gonna make the quarterback happy, show

922
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: it to us and then we'll we'll invest so we

923
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: don't get fitzpatricked again. But if they're gonna go, they're

924
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: gonna give him money. And I think it's he's still

925
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: kind of a wild card. I mean, I watched a

926
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: bunch of his games last year. I know he had moments,

927
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: but he didn't strike me as a guy that I

928
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: can definitely lock into his Oh, this guy is my

929
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: quarterback for the next five years. I'm not so sure

930
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: it's smart to get into bed with him just yet.

931
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: I think it's a process to get to this decision.

932
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: Because when we were in London covering the game against

933
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: Bill's versus Jaguars, there were whispers and it was more

934
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: than whispers that some people in the coaching staff really

935
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: still believed in EJ. Manuel and they're probably at this

936
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: point if you're the GM and Doug Whaley, you talk

937
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: about a guy with nine lives like he has swung

938
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: and missed on EJ. Manual as a first round quarterback.

939
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: They didn't get a chance to get a rock solid

940
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: quarterback starter in this draft. So suddenly, what are your

941
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: options if you don't go Tyrod Taylor? How many more

942
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: chances do you get if you're If you're Doug Whaley

943
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: and Rex Ryan to keep drafting and starting over with

944
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: new quarterbacks. For all of this optimism, it certainly doesn't

945
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: sound like Doug Whaley is sold on Tara Taylor even

946
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: to this point. He told the mm QB they asked

947
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: him if he's a franchise quarterback, and he said, all

948
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: signs are pointing to him having a chance to be.

949
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: He still has to prove it. Well, I mean, if

950
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: you're talked about it, how but the contracts gotta be

951
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: fair for him, but also fair for us. What he's

952
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: been saying all offseason. If you call him the franchise quarterback,

953
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: then the contract takes on a different person. He's not

954
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. Well, I this is getting too far

955
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: ahead and giving them too much credit. I expect this

956
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: to be a team friendly deal where Taylor has to

957
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: play well to really earn the back end of it

958
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: and earn top money. I think it's a tricky one

959
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: to pull off because Taylor could just bet on himself

960
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: that he'll be worth much more. But I bet this

961
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: is a deal where they're protected. All right, let's throw

962
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: one more quarterback situation out there. Um Colin Kaepernick and

963
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: blamed Gabbett splitting first team rips reps quote right down

964
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: the middle uh in training camp. Dis According to Chip Kelly,

965
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: the Niners coach, UH, this is a surprise to me

966
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: just because it felt like Colin Kaepernick was so hopelessly

967
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,479
Speaker 1: behind because of his physical issues that it was gonna

968
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: be Gabbert UH leading the way and then Kaepernick playing ketchup.

969
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I read it. It looks like,

970
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: at least with how they're breaking down the reps uh West,

971
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: that that this is gonna be a battle and even battle.

972
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: Do you read it that way as well? Yeah, I

973
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. On the momentum that Gabbert seemed

974
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: to be picking up throughout the off season. But if

975
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: you listen to Chip chip Kelly's comments, he was always

976
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: saying that it was going to be a battle in camp.

977
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: So in that sense, I get what's going on there

978
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: with the with the splitting reps, and I think it's

979
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: gonna come down to preseason games and from the sound

980
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: of it, uh like Monday of practice, just reading a

981
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: practice of Pert Kaepernick looks pretty good. The fact that

982
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: he's out there and he's fully healthy. I don't know.

983
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: I just kind of trust in his physical abilities to

984
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: find a way to impress Chip Kelly enough to play

985
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: a lot for them. He gained weight back number one.

986
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they said physically that he looks like the

987
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: player he was. And we heard reports when Chip Kelly was,

988
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: you know, hovering around the Niners that a player like

989
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: Kaepernick was someone he had sziges on for a long time.

990
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: So that doesn't just go away. And you're not gonna

991
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: just bury Kaepernick behind someone named Blame Gabbert who had

992
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: a nice season last year. But give me a break,

993
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: this is not you. You have to see both of

994
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: these guys in your new offense. I feel like he's

995
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: playing it right, Kelly, because you want when you take

996
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: this job, it's gonna be a tough job this year,

997
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have a lot of work to do

998
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: just to make them competitive. If you have a guy

999
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: like Kaepernick who's still on the right side of thirty

1000
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: and it is not too far removed from being one

1001
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: of the rising stars in the league. Maybe you take

1002
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: a shot on them, see what you get. It's kind

1003
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: of has some similar traits to what's going on in

1004
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: Cleveland with Hugh Jackson. Give it a shot, see if

1005
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: it takes, and then if it doesn't, you go with

1006
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: plan B. To me, blame Gabbert is a perfect plan

1007
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: b um. We'll see how it plays out. How bizarre

1008
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: would this season be in some parallel universe where Kaepernick

1009
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: and RG three both kind of return who they were.

1010
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there are two players that have been written

1011
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: off entirely. It just seems very improbable, like excited. It's

1012
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: like a November long form by Mark celer Very improbable

1013
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: is the to the return of the two? Whatever? Well

1014
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: with you're gonna have to get out in front of

1015
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: that before November. If this happens, so, they're gonna be

1016
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: think pieces flying off the walls. Start doing it now,

1017
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: pretty write it. No, I don't like curse it. When

1018
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: when you went to talk forty niners, I thought you

1019
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: were talking about the big Smelter Patent Ellington battle that

1020
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: people getting excited about the smelldown smelter. Let's see if

1021
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly and Hugh Jackson are really quarterback whispers. That

1022
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: would be the thing. It seems like I would be

1023
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: gobsmacked if both those scenarios came out. It would be

1024
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: because they're getting great coaching. If the forty Niners have

1025
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: an average offense, that's quarterback whisperer enough. They are they are,

1026
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: they are running up hill. Um, all right, guys, good seg,

1027
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: great seg. We will be back on Wednesday. By the way, people,

1028
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: they're probably wondering, Hey, you guys haven't checked in with

1029
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: the with the Quiet Storm about his big Thursday night

1030
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: at the Troubador. Uh listen, hold tight, We're gonna talk

1031
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: about it on Wednesday, very special episode of the Around

1032
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. That was that for a tease? Greg,

1033
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: that's a professional tease, the old little debbie. How's your

1034
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: life changed? Greg? Without being a boss anyone, now you're

1035
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: not the boss? How was life changed? I don't think.

1036
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't think about and I'm not as driven crazy

1037
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: by work things. That's one that's one way to make

1038
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: way more at peace. Like when I'm when I'm off,

1039
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: when I'm out of this building, things that are going

1040
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: on here, I'm not as worried about it. I think.

1041
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: For you specifically you A lot of annoying junk got

1042
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: removed off your plate and off your shoulders. Not of it,

1043
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: a lot of it's my own fault and that maybe

1044
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm not good at that stuff, but yeah, you said it.

1045
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: There was something that happened in our office and immediately

1046
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: on I am. I was on fire, you know, going crazy,

1047
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: and Greg was like in the snow world, I don't

1048
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: need to listen to Mark or worry about what he's

1049
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,479
Speaker 1: what is that? Where did that? I totally get that.

1050
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: Where did that? Thursday? Well, we can discuss it later,

1051
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: but you don't have to deal with these personalities. Can't

1052
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: You can't. Uh, you can't avoid the fact though, Greg,

1053
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: that there is an absence of any you know, real

1054
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: power for you with the obviously more that's gotta hurt

1055
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: a little bit. Let's get into that. Did Greg ever

1056
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: have real power? Yeah? Exactly. I realized not many people

1057
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: around here too. I definitely didn't. Um. Okay, So yes,

1058
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the Little Debbie Show on Wednesday, a

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Speaker 1: very special edition of the Around the NFL podcast, So

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Speaker 1: make sure you check it out and and make sure

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Speaker 1: you check us out on iTunes and leave comments, leave stars,

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Speaker 1: how we're doing on the iTunes challenge. Greg, you said

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Speaker 1: we were at one, I believe in the comments and

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Speaker 1: it was one or in the twenties or okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I did check on the challenge. I'm glad you asked

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Speaker 1: last night. I checked on that, and our readers came

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Speaker 1: through with us, bumped it up a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: we're still not in the quadruple did And when I

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Speaker 1: look at some of the other podcasts that are it,

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Speaker 1: it saddens me. So let's let's leave reviews because I

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Speaker 1: do think it helped our our ratings. Uh, and let's

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Speaker 1: get into the quadruple did. I think we're in the

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Speaker 1: nine seventies now we picked up thirty or four Sunday

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Speaker 1: Night in the Rosenthal Household. Let's see we're at nine sixties.

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Speaker 1: So listen, maybe if Greg was still the boss, people

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Speaker 1: would have gotten on their laptops. I'm just saying, you

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Speaker 1: have to look at both sides of the coin. You're

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Speaker 1: saying even the listeners don't respect him. What's going on here?

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Speaker 1: The dynamic has changed. He lost some casher see Dan

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Speaker 1: Dan is misreading any Any enjoyment I would have gotten

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Speaker 1: out of having power just makes me uncomfortable. Um, alright,

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Speaker 1: sorry for misreading the situation. Let's get up to a

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Speaker 1: thousand everybody until Wednesday. This is Dan Kansas signing off

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Speaker 1: for Quiet, the Mailman, the Boss Emeritus, and the Irishman

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Speaker 1: behind the glass No Wednesday. At the game on Saturday night,

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Speaker 1: um My, you know, my dad and I went and

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Speaker 1: then there was this couple sitting next to me, and

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Speaker 1: he was he was a Red Sox fan, the Red

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Speaker 1: Sox fans, and he was completely fully with everything that

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Speaker 1: he was saying. So he got up to go like

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Speaker 1: chase down the guy to get her a drink. So

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Speaker 1: I stopped her on the shoulder and I was like,

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Speaker 1: just so you know, he's wrong with everything that he's saying.

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Speaker 1: And then he got up to chase down a drink

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Speaker 1: again like the eighth inning. She goes, this is our

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Speaker 1: third day, and I realized I hate this guy. So

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Speaker 1: I basically ruined a relationship this weekend