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Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all. This
Speaker 2: is another edition of Native lamppid, but it's a mini
Speaker 2: pod And today we are doing election projections despite the
Speaker 2: fact that sadly DraftKings hasn't been spark smart enough to
Speaker 2: sponsor our show. Nevertheless, we are betting women and men today.
Speaker 2: So we are we gonna place our wagers on who
Speaker 2: we think is gonna win the election and why and
Speaker 2: what do we do if Donald Trump wins? So that's
Speaker 2: the podcast. What we doing? Who's kicking us off?
Speaker 1: I just want to say, I one do not believe
Speaker 1: Donald Trump will win, but I want to say I
Speaker 1: feel that way not based on any scientific reasons. I
Speaker 1: feel that way based on the sheer will of black women.
Speaker 1: The we are spiritual beings having a human experience, as
Speaker 1: Loatasha Brown says, and I just I don't My mind
Speaker 1: can't compute anything else. I think the media has intentionality
Speaker 1: around creating these narratives around the.
Speaker 3: Race is so tight.
Speaker 1: Y'all know how I feel about polls, People introducing polls
Speaker 1: and like it's fifteen poles a day, saying fifteen different things,
Speaker 1: and it's meant to agitate, It's meant to keep us
Speaker 1: on edge when if we all just focused on I'm
Speaker 1: gonna vote on election Day, I'm gonna do early voting.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get other people.
Speaker 3: To the polls.
Speaker 1: That's our only black job right now. So that's what
Speaker 1: I'm focused on. I do not think we will see
Speaker 1: another Donald Trump presidency. That is my declaration. Is beyond
Speaker 1: my hope. It is my declaration. So that's how I
Speaker 1: feel about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Andrew Gilli.
Speaker 3: How you, Angela.
Speaker 1: You've been talking about your angst Angela, so I want
Speaker 1: to hearing.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have a lot of inks, but I
Speaker 2: think most of this has to do with my control issues.
Speaker 2: I do not like for things to be close. Close
Speaker 2: games give me anxiety, and overtime after overtime after overtime,
Speaker 2: sports experts you know all about that.
Speaker 3: I know that feeling. Girl, I don't like it either.
Speaker 2: That gives me anxiety, and so I like for things
Speaker 2: to be like it's a clean break. We like know
Speaker 2: exactly where things stand, and unfortunately for us right now,
Speaker 2: that is not where things stand. I think even traditional
Speaker 2: posters are being a lot more conservative in their approach
Speaker 2: based on what happened in twenty sixteen, frankly with Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 2: and while she did win the popular vote, as we
Speaker 2: talk about all the time on this show, by three
Speaker 2: million votes, she did not win the electoral college. So
Speaker 2: you know, when I think about the states in play, Michigan,
Speaker 2: I'm worried about the uncommitted vote, and given the size
Speaker 2: of the electorate, the number of votes that Hillary Clinton
Speaker 2: lost Michigan by in twenty sixteen, I'm really worried that
Speaker 2: the uncommitted haven't been properly addressed. Around the Israeli Gaza,
Speaker 2: the Palestinian conflict. I have some concerns about Arizona. I
Speaker 2: have concerns about Pennsylvania, and I mean, for a number
Speaker 2: of different reasons, working class voters who are black, brown,
Speaker 2: and white. I have concerns about the black mail vote
Speaker 2: in particular in Pennsylvania and it being kind of the
Speaker 2: tie breaking the just enough to get over the hump.
Speaker 2: I have concerns about, I said, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, nov.
Speaker 2: I feel a little bit better about Wisconsin. I'm also
Speaker 2: worried about and not just for Kamala Harrison, Tim Wallas,
Speaker 2: but also for Tammy Baldwin, you know. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: I do have some concerns numerically, and at this point
Speaker 2: of the election season, y'all, it really is just about
Speaker 2: who can turn out the votes. So I think that
Speaker 2: there have been a lot of time, There's been a
Speaker 2: lot of time, including for me, focused on undecided voters.
Speaker 2: I'm not off that yet, but I do know the
Speaker 2: people that are clear eyed about who they want to
Speaker 2: vote for, please go to the polls, go early in
Speaker 2: case something happens on election day. We have a good
Speaker 2: friend of ours, Aaron, who was talking about you know,
Speaker 2: she wanted that moment on election day. We're like, girl,
Speaker 2: if you don't grow early, it's that same kind of thing.
Speaker 2: We just want to make sure that there are no mishaps,
Speaker 2: no mistakes, no threats, no intimidation, none of that going on.
Speaker 2: And I think my biggest concern, honestly, y'all, is not
Speaker 2: just about the victory. I do believe that Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: and Tim Walls have what it takes to get us
Speaker 2: across the finish line. But I'm deeply concerned about what
Speaker 2: happens when people embody the threats that they think they are,
Speaker 2: what kind of violence ensues from the other side, what
Speaker 2: ways in which they might intimidate voters, the way that
Speaker 2: they've been geared up for that now for well over
Speaker 2: a year, the things that they've put in place in
Speaker 2: states to challenge the vote, All of those things come
Speaker 2: into play. And so one of the biggest concerns I
Speaker 2: have is the fact that I fully believe this election
Speaker 2: won't be decided on election night. I think it's going
Speaker 2: to be a battle, and it's not going to just
Speaker 2: be a slog with the folks who count the ballots
Speaker 2: in the states. It's also going to be a slog
Speaker 2: when it comes time for January sixth, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: whether or not folks will agree to certify election results,
Speaker 2: which when they've been pointedly asked, they've not been able
Speaker 2: to answer the question. So I got aanks that I
Speaker 2: think I'm caring for about, you know, two months worth
Speaker 2: eggs November December and Janimary.
Speaker 1: Well, didn't I just say I When I say I'm confident,
Speaker 1: I'm confident about the will of the people. Now when
Speaker 1: we come to I agree with you, we won't know
Speaker 1: the election results that night. The fake electors are a
Speaker 1: concern I think combined right now election deniers and the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty fake electors right now represent thirty seven percent
Speaker 1: of the total eighty two members of the electoral College.
Speaker 1: That is a legitimate concern. I mean, legally can't will
Speaker 1: they vote against the will of the people. So that
Speaker 1: definitely gives me ankst. I should be clear about that.
Speaker 1: I think she will win the popular vote. I think
Speaker 1: she will win the swing states. Will people accept the
Speaker 1: election results they don't like, But a lot of people
Speaker 1: are concerned that she doesn't have it in the bag yet,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a good place to be.
Speaker 3: So all y'all who feel that way, you're not alone.
Speaker 3: But I just feel I don't know, I just feel
Speaker 3: like the.
Speaker 1: Ancestors pushing me at the back, like no, girl, it's time.
Speaker 4: It's time, I think.
Speaker 5: And I appreciate y'all sharing your thoughts on that because
Speaker 5: they're influencing me some. But I am checking in with
Speaker 5: my gut, and sometimes my head and my gut betray
Speaker 5: one another. Yes, indeed, I had a gut feeling the
Speaker 5: morning I woke up in November of twenty eighteen, when
Speaker 5: I was on the ballot for governor in Florida. I
Speaker 5: had a gut feeling that didn't match my head and
Speaker 5: everything going into it. On in twenty sixteen, I was
Speaker 5: in New York, you know, at the Javit Center, and
Speaker 5: at that time the idea of a Trump presidency had
Speaker 5: not even entered into my thinking. It was nowhere near.
Speaker 5: I was so thrown off balance that I mean, it
Speaker 5: was just I'm sure a lot of us were. But
Speaker 5: my gut didn't say he didn't warn me, and my
Speaker 5: head schrazelle didn't suggest anything different.
Speaker 4: We're two weeks out from.
Speaker 5: The election, and I will just quickly say where my
Speaker 5: concern lies. My concerns lie right now with white women
Speaker 5: and how they will perform. If they are gonna do
Speaker 5: fifty three percent for Trump, then I think we lose.
Speaker 5: Given the gender gap that exists right now, we need
Speaker 5: them desperately to check in with their conscience. We need
Speaker 5: them desperately to put them so first, not their sons,
Speaker 5: not their husbands, not their fathers, but themselves. I worry
Speaker 5: about an enthusiasm gap on the left if all of
Speaker 5: us truly know what the consequences are, if the sky
Speaker 5: is falling every election then why is the sky falling
Speaker 5: this time? And why is it falling going to be
Speaker 5: different from me good batter in between? So I think
Speaker 5: there's an enthusiasm issue that has to be closed, and
Speaker 5: I don't think it's been closed yet. And then my
Speaker 5: third big fear is the Senate. In the House, There's
Speaker 5: a reason Donald Trump did rallies in New York City.
Speaker 5: There are three very important pivotal congressional races that he
Speaker 5: feels his presence if it could boost enough Republican enthusiasm
Speaker 5: in those areas, could they hold those seats? In Florida,
Speaker 5: Ronda Santis went against the legislature, but he had the courts,
Speaker 5: and he drew his own maps, got rid of two
Speaker 5: black seats, black access seats, and they were replaced with
Speaker 5: a total of three white access seats, and all three
Speaker 5: of those seats went Republican, from Democrat to Republican. And
Speaker 5: that is how Speaker Johnson is. Speaker Johnson, I worry
Speaker 5: about the House, and I fear that the Senate is
Speaker 5: already likely lost. And in that circumstance, the Trump win
Speaker 5: would be absolutely detrimental to everything we believe and we
Speaker 5: stand for the good thing about these three concerns. If
Speaker 5: there was, is that there's still time to affect them.
Speaker 5: There's still time for white women to decide for themselves
Speaker 5: how it is they're going to affect the turnout of
Speaker 5: this election, whether they want to stay clamped to the
Speaker 5: past or define their own future. I still think there's
Speaker 5: time on these House seats for the enthusiasm to build
Speaker 5: that we need, and folks to show up and show
Speaker 5: out and vote for their candidates. The choice and the
Speaker 5: enthusiasms can still be addressed. If right now you are
Speaker 5: busy worrying about what the poles are saying and not
Speaker 5: doing anything to move people to the polls to change
Speaker 5: Those poles are predictive. They say it gives you their
Speaker 5: snapshots in time. But in some ways those trend lines
Speaker 5: tell us where things may be headed. And if you're
Speaker 5: watching that and we about to crash into a damn
Speaker 5: brick wall, then I would do what I could to
Speaker 5: avert the brick wall. And I think these warnings should
Speaker 5: wake all of us up. This race is far too
Speaker 5: close in too many key places, far too close, and y'all,
Speaker 5: I can't even get to the after, because I think
Speaker 5: the after is bound to be chaos. I think in
Speaker 5: some ways Donald Trump is running for the presidency for
Speaker 5: his freedom. But I also think he's running for chaos
Speaker 5: to undermine whatever the outcome is, so that there is
Speaker 5: a divide in this country, and that device continue continues
Speaker 5: by helping to keep him out of jail, creating negotiating
Speaker 5: room for some kind of a collapse if the opposition
Speaker 5: is strong enough, some kind of a deal to be
Speaker 5: made on his criminal piece here. And I know I
Speaker 5: may sound conspiracy theorists here, but I think Donald Trump
Speaker 5: all along has been running for his freedom. I do too,
Speaker 5: and I think at the end, in the beginning of
Speaker 5: the day, if there is a divide in this country,
Speaker 5: he can marshal that divide towards some kind of negotiated
Speaker 5: outcome for himself. Although that's bad for the country, but
Speaker 5: I do think that those are the things.
Speaker 1: That sort of can we Also, if he loses Andrew,
Speaker 1: the Republican Party will abandon him. At that point it's like,
Speaker 1: oh great, all right, well I'm not Trump is, but
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, because at that point they can say, okay,
Speaker 1: the problem with Trump is done. Like we got four
Speaker 1: years of Vice President Harris, there's no need for us,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't have the vice grip on them that
Speaker 1: he does.
Speaker 5: Right now, if the people are still with him, he
Speaker 5: will still be the touchelor leader of the party, and
Speaker 5: they will bow to him just because they had a
Speaker 5: chance to get rid of him.
Speaker 4: He could have been old news before, except the people
Speaker 4: that the party he built is loyal to him. This
Speaker 4: is all again in the regiment of fascism. He is
Speaker 4: the love the love leader.
Speaker 1: You don't think it's fear of him becoming president again though.
Speaker 5: He may never become president, but he may pick the
Speaker 5: next one.
Speaker 3: Ah, I see, good point.
Speaker 1: Good point.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you guys this. Can we do
Speaker 2: like a quick round of like who thinks the Republicans
Speaker 2: are going to win the House? Who thinks? Or the Democrats?
Speaker 2: Who thinks Republicans Democrats? Senate? Who thinks Republicans Democrats presidency?
Speaker 2: Can we do that quick round?
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Andrew you in last House.
Speaker 4: House Democrat, Senate Republican White House Democrat?
Speaker 2: Okay, Tiff, what you got same as Andrew? Okay, I
Speaker 2: am going to go out on a limb and say
Speaker 2: that I think the Senate is going to surprise us
Speaker 2: and somehow they eke out a victory and it's going
Speaker 2: to be dim House, dim Senate Kamala Harris presidency, not
Speaker 2: on election night, maybe a week later.
Speaker 1: That you know that is positive because for a long
Speaker 1: time you were like, I don't know, guys, this is like.
Speaker 2: I don't know still, but this is what I'm I
Speaker 2: need to bet this for my nerves and I and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna even say, like I just am being different
Speaker 2: from y'all on the Senate piece. I think that I
Speaker 2: think that it's I think the Senate is the toughest race,
Speaker 2: honest or the toughest. The toughest races that the Democrats
Speaker 2: have is the Senate. I think that they've made some miscalculations.
Speaker 2: In particular, I'm thinking about the black woman running in Indiana,
Speaker 2: like why would you don't be don't not be competitive
Speaker 2: in states that you have not traditionally been competitive. Kentucky
Speaker 2: has a democratic governor, Like why like there are places
Speaker 2: where traditionally they would say we can't win and they
Speaker 2: could have won if they would have just invested some resources.
Speaker 1: Well, but even outside of like black folks in the Senate,
Speaker 1: because I think and I do want to correct, I
Speaker 1: did see all you guys' comments because I was saying, well,
Speaker 1: there are no black women in the Senate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so forgive me.
Speaker 1: I did I remember saying that when we were talking
Speaker 1: about the black women running, and I was like, they
Speaker 1: would be right now, there are no black women in
Speaker 1: the Senate. So forgive me. That was a complete oversight.
Speaker 1: My apologies.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even hear you say that. I thought
Speaker 2: you meant there wouldn't be if they didn't win, which
Speaker 2: would be true.
Speaker 1: That is what I was trying to say. But I
Speaker 1: would have I would have absolutely acknowledged Lafonds a butler.
Speaker 3: We definitely, Yes, yes, I would.
Speaker 1: Have acknowledged her in that moment of my apologies. But
Speaker 1: I think even outside of black women running, there's just
Speaker 1: some Senate seats out there, like John Tester and Montana.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen there. I think Colin
Speaker 1: Allred might be. I think nobody likes Ted Cruz, Like,
Speaker 1: why do y'all keep sending Ted Cruise to us? Here's
Speaker 1: y'all's problem? Keep him at home? I cannot see. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's very strange. And Vice President Harris is there this
Speaker 1: week in Texas, and I think that will get Look,
Speaker 1: we were talking in our group chat that Texas is
Speaker 1: not in play for her, but in that Senate race,
Speaker 1: we keep getting promise Texas gonna be a purple state.
Speaker 3: This might be the election cycle is why do we think.
Speaker 2: That Colin Alred could win that seat but she couldn't win.
Speaker 1: Because it's more of a local issue there. I think
Speaker 1: Colin Allred uh has He's focused on Texas. She's focused
Speaker 1: on the country. So there are some some policy points
Speaker 1: that she takes that I think might run contrary to
Speaker 1: the interests of the people in Texas, where Colin already
Speaker 1: may have.
Speaker 4: I think he's got everything to do with Ted.
Speaker 1: Cruise and Tad Cruise is just genuinely unlikely.
Speaker 2: They're saying even anybody and Maryland Kamala Harris has a
Speaker 2: ten point advantage over Angela also Brooks, which is also fascinating.
Speaker 2: I'm always interested when people I.
Speaker 5: Think she's splitting and a largely on what happens in
Speaker 5: these tickets is the fall off. This is the voter
Speaker 5: fall off, not so much Trump and the Democrat or
Speaker 5: the Democrat and a Republican, but the fall off that taxapays.
Speaker 5: And I'll just qualify I said Mexico because that's his
Speaker 5: preferred vacation spot.
Speaker 4: Everybody, it's sort of tongue in cheek if.
Speaker 1: We remember what I found interesting about that, but I
Speaker 1: forgot well that that's my point with these reprobably it's
Speaker 1: so much scandal you literally can't keep up. But during
Speaker 1: that whole tobacco when he was going to Mexico, that's
Speaker 1: how you know they we got don't.
Speaker 3: Ever come to us talking about our community, okay, because
Speaker 3: we ride her. She was in a group chat. Y'all
Speaker 3: remember that.
Speaker 1: It was in a group chat who leaked her at
Speaker 1: have leaked the text messages her the fred.
Speaker 4: We're gonna get out of this storm, will have electricity.
Speaker 4: Everybody bring the kids.
Speaker 1: Our group chat wouldn't neither one, none of our group
Speaker 1: chats would never. Ever, you couldn't convince me if somebody
Speaker 1: came and said, no, but we got this. I'm like,
Speaker 1: did somebody hack into somebody's phone? We we would never ever,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't occur, even if we were mad at each other,
Speaker 1: like we just know move like that, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Got no people that stuff out of group chats, they
Speaker 2: get summarily dismissed.
Speaker 3: Well, there that's a mini problem.
Speaker 2: It's just this many moment approved this message, and that
Speaker 2: is a great conclusion.
Speaker 1: Let the church say, so we all agree that vice
Speaker 1: president here is gonna win.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: Yes, and by the way, mine is is an admonishment.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: Andrew, Well, can I ask Andrew before we go, because
Speaker 1: you said something, I just want to ask a quick questions.
Speaker 1: You said that you your gut in twenty eighteen and
Speaker 1: your head were different. Do you feel comfortable sharing what
Speaker 1: you had told you?
Speaker 5: My head told me we were going to win, and
Speaker 5: my gut that morning was unlike anything I had felt
Speaker 5: all the way up through the campaign. When I went
Speaker 5: to vote, I thought, you know what, They're not gonna
Speaker 5: There's a reason there's never been won before.
Speaker 1: M I gotta be honest. When you were talking the
Speaker 1: whole time, your tone made me very uncomfortable. I felt
Speaker 1: like Davis or Jackson about to get in drone. He
Speaker 1: was so serious the whole time he was telling his
Speaker 1: thoughts on the election.
Speaker 5: Let me say that's why it's but it's only true
Speaker 5: if we do what we have to do.
Speaker 2: And even if you think about what happened, I will
Speaker 2: tell you Tiff like and We've talked about it a
Speaker 2: little bit on the show before with Andrew's race, Like
Speaker 2: Andrew ain't the only one that needed therapy after that race.
Speaker 2: Like you couldn't have told me Andrew was not gonna win.
Speaker 2: You could feel it. You could feel it. And that's
Speaker 2: why I'm saying, like there is something really important, Like
Speaker 2: even if you went over hearts and minds, if those
Speaker 2: hearts and minds don't take their assets to the polls come,
Speaker 2: it matters not And I do believe there were votes
Speaker 2: that were not counted. I know, I sound like an
Speaker 2: election denier. Florida is a different beast and they will
Speaker 2: play a mean, evil, tricky game. And so what you
Speaker 2: have to do is outperform they multiplied, right, You got
Speaker 2: to outperform the evil. You got to show up in
Speaker 2: numbers where they can't trick it or trade it or
Speaker 2: do whatever they do. You have to make sure that
Speaker 2: there is no room for a hanging chad. You just
Speaker 2: have to. And that's why I'm saying, like you can
Speaker 2: feel the like the tide is changing. You could feel
Speaker 2: people are ripe and ready. But if ripe and ready
Speaker 2: don't move, you know, so I'm with you on that Florida.
Speaker 4: We lookda to Florida. Multiply that right, multiple yes, Florida,
Speaker 4: but you know forty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pennsylvania, Michigan.
Speaker 4: Come on, and all the places where.
Speaker 2: They're messing stuff up, like we didn't even talk about
Speaker 2: it today. But the Muslim Democrat that got kicked out
Speaker 2: the rally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that cannot have a fumble.
Speaker 2: That's that's a huge fu kama. Cuss somebody out about it,
Speaker 2: Like what are y'all doing?
Speaker 3: Goddamn?
Speaker 2: And you can do that.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: Before we go, I just want to remind the folks
Speaker 1: that we are coming to see you, fam you, I
Speaker 1: asked before we began. I was I've been asking this
Speaker 1: question to everybody. I'm curious our viewers, but I just
Speaker 1: want to know who y'all think is the more obnoxious crew,
Speaker 1: fam you or Hu. I feel like fam you and
Speaker 1: Howard people are anywhere in the world, they just ra
Speaker 1: we ready, so I must see up close in person.
Speaker 3: Family spirit.
Speaker 1: They always this when they see each other. That's what
Speaker 1: y'all do, right, don't get And then they were mad
Speaker 1: because Andrew they were like, Hi.
Speaker 3: And you ain't got no Famu stuff in his background.
Speaker 3: Fami people go coming.
Speaker 2: Up it just don't capture, move it over so I
Speaker 2: can see it level.
Speaker 4: First of all, I'm here, Yeah, you showing through, through
Speaker 4: and through.
Speaker 3: What should we wear to home? Because we'll wear dinner green.
Speaker 4: I'll have orange green.
Speaker 3: You're gonna wear.
Speaker 2: Orange green with denim and tif this was your idea.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be in dinnim in one of them.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wear orange. What in the cooler weather?
Speaker 1: I do have some denim, but I and I think
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, okay, we're gonna see orange and green and dini.
Speaker 3: We wearing the company fam.
Speaker 4: You home, everybody, and happy homecoming.
Speaker 1: October thirty first, whatever that day is. I Clober thirty
Speaker 1: first is Thursday.
Speaker 4: Bring your custom.
Speaker 2: Tip is dressing up as a rattler.
Speaker 4: Chip is dressing like a voter.
Speaker 3: Oh great, a voting rattler. Then I'm wearing voting rattler.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: This reminds me of that. You know, when family leaves
Speaker 4: and you walking down the street, goodbye.
Speaker 2: Right, we're still talking to you, all right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Did you take up?
Speaker 3: Did you take grandma and play your mom? Come get
Speaker 3: your mama?
Speaker 4: Goodbye, good bye?
Speaker 2: Bring so long, but you might be a lot a
Speaker 2: long time. Put your seatbelt on.
Speaker 5: Look they'd be then packed the kitchen street.
Speaker 4: Locked the door, them, street lights coming on.
Speaker 2: You know that, You know that Joe down the street
Speaker 2: got a Trump bad signed up, don't you.
Speaker 4: We have stopped recording.
Speaker 3: Is this right?
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