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Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you think, like the way

432
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Speaker 1: we saw an uptick in kids having peanut allergies, that

433
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Speaker 1: we could have an uptick in kids having gluten allergies exactly, Like,

434
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Speaker 1: is that on the horizon? Is that possible?

435
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Speaker 2: Well, it's possible, but it's less likely for a few reasons.

436
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Speaker 2: Even though wheat is one of the top nine allergens,

437
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: luckily it's not as allergenic as things like peanuts or

438
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: nuts because interestingly, and that's like, foods that are higher

439
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: in protein tend to cause more of like an immunogenic

440
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 2: response or immunologic response. So since wheat or gluten isn't

441
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: as high in protein as let's say, peanuts or tree

442
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: nuts or some of the other high risk allergens. As

443
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: an adult, if you stop eating gluten, you're pretty unlikely

444
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: to develop a gluten allergy. But to your point, if

445
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: you start doing that as a baby, then yes, that

446
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: could increase your risk of a glute analogy because remember

447
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: then that first four years of life, their immune systems

448
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 2: are really rapidly developing, and we to gluten are one

449
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: of the ones we encourage the early introduction of along

450
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: with pnut and treat men and everything else, because it

451
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: is one of the top nine allergies. So yes, for kids,

452
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: restricting it can be a problem and then it can

453
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Speaker 2: increase the risk of developing an allergy.

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Speaker 1: You know. I want to talk about these tests in

455
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Speaker 1: the tech that's associated with it. So t T is

456
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: an engineer, so I feel like she understands how you

457
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Speaker 1: create and build these tests. And my background is like

458
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: selling electro biology, and so I'm like, yes, give younology,

459
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: give it all to me, But what kind of tech

460
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: is involved? How are these tests even designed?

461
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: There's two types of allergy testing, either a blood test

462
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: or a skin test for allergies, and they both measure

463
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: the same thing. Again, they measure that IgE empty body

464
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: against a specific allergen. So you can look for IgE

465
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Speaker 2: to pollen, IG to gus mites, IG for peanuts, IG

466
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: for milk, eggs, so for any food or environmental allergen

467
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: or even medications too. And so these are the two

468
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: tests that are validated, meaning that there's scientific evidence that

469
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: tells us that these tests can be accurate. If the

470
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: person has a story that fits with the allergy. You know,

471
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Speaker 2: they're not accurate if someone has zero symptoms, you know,

472
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: but we know these tests can accurately diagnose if you

473
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: have like symptoms and a history that's concerning for it. Now,

474
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: where we run into trouble is that there's a lot

475
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: of unvalidated tests out there that are not scientifically based,

476
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: and many of them measure a different type of antibody.

477
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Speaker 2: There's another blood test that measures IgG antibody G like George,

478
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Speaker 2: And that's why I keep repeating it because it's important

479
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: to know the difference. So the IgG testing is supposed

480
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: to be for intolerances, but the problem is it comes

481
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 2: up positive on everybody you know. So if you tested

482
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: my blot for the IgG's, all IgG tells you is

483
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: that you've been exposed to something in the past. So

484
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: it's very helpful for when you're trying to see if

485
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: you have like immunity against like an infection. For example,

486
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: we frequently will check IgG to see Okay, if you

487
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: got a vaccine, do you have immunity and that there

488
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: it's very helpful, or have you been exposed to some

489
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: you know, bug in the past, But it's not helpful

490
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: when you're looking for allergies because so many people have

491
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: positive IgGs to everything, and it's just telling you exposure.

492
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: It's not saying that your immune system likes something or

493
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: doesn't like something, but the IgE like elephant, that really

494
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: goes up if you are having an allergy. So that's

495
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: why that testing is very helpful. And our skin testing

496
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: measures the same thing because we scratch the surface of

497
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: the skin with the different allergens and basically if you're allergic,

498
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: you get like a hive or a mosquito bite looking

499
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: thing over those specific allergens, and that's basically like stimulating

500
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: the IgE and the allergy cells, the Langer hand cells

501
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: in your skin, you know, to cause that reaction. So

502
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: those tests are like validated and evidence based, but pretty

503
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: much every other allergy test out there is not. There's

504
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: one where I've heard of where you send in your

505
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: hair sample and it's like it's always like a lot

506
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: of crazy things I've heard, you know, and I'm like,

507
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: you know, there's no scientific evidence behind those type of tests.

508
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: So you said that there are two types of tests.

509
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: What is on the horizon for allergy testing? Like, how

510
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: do you see the field developing with the technology.

511
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the interesting thing that allergies is that they're

512
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: like immediate allergic reactions and delayed allergic reactions. And for

513
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: the most part, we're very good at diagnosing immediate hyper

514
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: sensitivity or immediate allergic reactions, but we don't have as

515
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: good testing for delayed allergic reactions. So I think the

516
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: future is probably there, you know, because there are certain

517
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: types of allergies like exzema for example, more like a

518
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: contact allergy or even poison ivy is a delayed hyper

519
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: sensitivity reaction, and currently we do have one good test

520
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: for that, something called patch testing, where we can test

521
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: for ingredients different products that you use, and you go

522
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: home with that test. Actually you keep it on your

523
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: back for forty eight hours and come back because it

524
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: is a delayed type of allergy. But there's so many

525
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: other like delayed allergic reactions even to medications or foods

526
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: or what have you, that we don't have good tests for.

527
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: So I think that will be the future of allergy testing,

528
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: and that will make it a lot easier to diagnose.

529
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: And I think.

530
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Speaker 2: Genetic testing will probably be used more too in allergy testing,

531
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Speaker 2: and I think in everything in medicine, like as we

532
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: understand more about how our genes play roles and things,

533
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of biomarkers now that we're already

534
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: using in the treatment of asthma. So now before it

535
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: used to be thought that asthma was like a one

536
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: size fits all category, but now we realize that even

537
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: in allergic asthma, that there are subtypes, and we're able

538
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: to now better treat our asthmatications because now there's a

539
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: lot of medications that target those subtypes. So now we

540
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: can even check certain things in the blood and choose

541
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: appropriate medications too for patients. I think there's a lot

542
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: that's coming down the pipelines, you know, and there's a

543
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: lot in treatment too. So now we're starting to have

544
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: medications that lessen the severity of food allergy, which we

545
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: didn't have ten years ago. So it's very exciting that

546
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: we might have a world where we're not only decreasing

547
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: food allergy, but even making it more safe for those

548
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: who have it and lessening the severity of their allergies.

549
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Speaker 1: You know, it really parked up my ears about what

550
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: you just said. It was the genetic component of it.

551
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: So I'm not just trying to become a whole geneticis okay, girl,

552
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: you know me? And so are there any genetic ties

553
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: with allergies, Like if your mom is allergic to something,

554
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: are you more likely to have that same allergy?

555
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there are genetic ties. The problem is it's

556
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: not completely clear yet. I think research will make it

557
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: more clear. So we're not quite there yet, but hopefully

558
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: in the next like thirty years or fifty years. But

559
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: what we do know now is that just having one

560
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: parent with any type of allergy increases the child's chance

561
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: by up to fifty percent five zero. So definitely there

562
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: is a parental factor, but there's also a very large

563
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: environmental factor because we're seeing a lot of nuancet food allergies,

564
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: for example, in children who's neither a parent had a

565
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: food allergy, you know. And I think it's a combination

566
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: of things too. It's not all genetics, but there is

567
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: a strong environmental component to it, because allergies are one

568
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: of the few or the only medical condition I can

569
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: really think of right now off the time I head

570
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: where it's as much as external problem as it is

571
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: an internal problem, you know, So the way you know,

572
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: it's not like diabetes or something where you can take

573
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: a medicine to control it like this, and for people

574
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: who are allergic, literally their environment can trigger them at

575
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: any time, you know. So it's a very different type

576
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: of medical issue in which you not only have to

577
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: control it internally, but also externally too.

578
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: So when we are moving through this world and we

579
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: are using social media, and there's a lot on social

580
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: media that just is not correct, well, can you talk

581
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: a little bit about some of the misconceptions and the

582
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: false information that you see out there in regards to allergies,

583
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: immunology and how we can safeguard ourselves from falling for

584
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: some of these, I guess tricks to get our money.

585
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, So there's so much misinformation out there.

586
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: I don't know where to start, but I'll try my best.

587
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: I would be wary if you're getting information from anybody

588
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: online who's trying to sell anything, because I've noticed that

589
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: that when there's a monetary component to it, that often

590
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: those are the people that I've noticed to be kind

591
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: of perpetuating false information or false treatments or false testing.

592
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: And then I'm sure that they would argue. But yeah,

593
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: but every you know, doctor also gets paid. But it's

594
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: it's very different because this is something that you know,

595
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: physicians have been trained for where it's very a very

596
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: regulated profession, right, so we can't just go around saying

597
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: whatever we want to other and you know, whetherwas we

598
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: lose our license, you know, we can even get criminal

599
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: penalties for that. And always look for credentials online because

600
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: I've noticed that a lot of people who are perpetuating information,

601
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: they'll call themselves doctor, but then if you dig deeper,

602
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: there's actually no like doctorate there, or or it's a

603
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: doctorate that's not in medical sciences, you know. So of course,

604
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: like I respect all doctorates, but I and be able

605
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: to you know, I'm a doctor, but I know nothing

606
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: about engineering, right like you can't you can't call me

607
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: a doctorate an engineer. I can't call myself that, right.

608
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: So I've noticed that there's a lot of like misrepresentation online.

609
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: But some of the myths that I hear a lot

610
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: are about immune boosting because I'm immunologists, so there's no

611
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: there's no quick, easy fix for immune boosting. So I've

612
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: seen everything sold from you know, shakes to tablets to powders,

613
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: so none of those things can boost your immune system. Unfortunately,

614
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: the only thing that can give you a healthy immune

615
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: system is like very boring and it takes a lot

616
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: of time. But you know, eating well, sleeping well, exercising,

617
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: you know, cup being yourself active at a healthy weight,

618
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: all of the things that like seem like common sense

619
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: but that you know a lot of people don't want

620
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: to do. Those are things that will actually preserve your

621
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: immune system. And ironically, the one thing that can booster

622
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: your immune system very fast, it has become controversial, I'm

623
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: not sure why. And that's vaccine. So that means the

624
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: vaccine is the only way you can boos your immune

625
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: system in two weeks or less. There's anyone tells you

626
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: there's any other way. They're lying to you. The rest

627
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: of the ways the Bouchier immune system comes through, you know,

628
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: just consistency in your life. So sleeping, you know, seven

629
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: to eight hours a night, drinking those you know, ten

630
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: to twelve glasses of water, whatever the recommended limit is,

631
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Eating healthy, you know, avoiding those junk and processed foods

632
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: and alcohol, all those things we already know are bad

633
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: for us. You know, maintaining a healthy way all of

634
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: that does help your immune system, but obviously it doesn't

635
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: happen overnight. But it's interesting because the one thing that

636
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: is proven to boocher immune system, now everybody's against it

637
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: and it makes no sense. And that's just another example

638
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: of misinformation. And then kind of in the allergy world,

639
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: there's so many myths. I think people think still that

640
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: allergies don't exist, you know, and I think people think

641
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: food allergies are not real, which is really dangerous. There's

642
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: actually been like bullying and deaths where like, you know,

643
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: kids have been like forced to eat something they're allergic

644
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: to and then you know, gotten very sick or died.

645
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Speaker 2: And I think dispelling those myths is really important. There's

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Speaker 2: actually a Super Bowl ad where they actually made light

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Speaker 2: of someone having a peanut allergy. Yeah, it was an

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Speaker 2: Uber Eats ad with all these celebrities in it, and

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Speaker 2: actually everyone of us in the allergy community got really upset,

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Speaker 2: and when we started speaking out about it in the media,

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Speaker 2: social media, and they pulled that part of the ad out,

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Speaker 2: you know, which is good because but no one would

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Speaker 2: make that joke about heart disease or diabetes, but they

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Speaker 2: make that joke about allergies all the time, which are

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Speaker 2: just as deadly, you know. So that's a big myth

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Speaker 2: that I really would love to dispel, you know, because

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Speaker 2: it can actually hurt somebody if you don't take it seriously.

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Speaker 2: And then the same thing, I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: people think that even seasonal allergies aren't a big deal,

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Speaker 2: and for a lot of people they aren't. But then,

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Speaker 2: like I said, there are those people where it triggers asthma,

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Speaker 2: and for some people it can be very severe and debilitating.

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad these kinds conversations are happening and people

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Speaker 2: are talking about allergies, because even as as soon as

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Speaker 2: five or ten years ago, you know, it was not

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Speaker 2: really talked about and people didn't take it seriously. So

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Speaker 2: those are probably the most common mix I see.

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Speaker 1: I blame the media, you know, and it sounds wild,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like back in the nineties when I

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Speaker 1: was growing up, every single sitcom cartoon it was always

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Speaker 1: a really nerdy kid that had asthma or had allergies,

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Speaker 1: and it was like, oh my gosh, because you know,

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Speaker 1: they had the glasses and they always had clean eggs,

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Speaker 1: and they had their asthma inhaler, and so it made

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Speaker 1: having allergies like a not cool thing and stuff for

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Speaker 1: like nerdy outcasts, and I'm just like, I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm a nerdy outcast. Do you think that makes me

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Speaker 1: strange because I wanted both the inhaler and glasses. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you are strange, but I do feel like food allergies

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Speaker 1: seemed like this weird thing to me, And I didn't

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Speaker 1: know anybody with food allergies, Like you weren't really like

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Speaker 1: you weren't really allowed to have food allergies, like it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a thing. But also I knew somebody at my

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Speaker 1: after school program that had a latex allergy, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, we don't want to kill her, Like I

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Speaker 1: didn't know what would happened, but I was like, we

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Speaker 1: don't want to kill her. We have to use these

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Speaker 1: they use these different gloves to serve the food and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I took that really serious. But why didn't we

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Speaker 1: take like pena allergies a SI Exactly. It's like there's

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Speaker 1: this hierarchy, there's a respectability politics with allergies, like allergy types. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're seeing the same thing when people talk about gluten

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Speaker 1: allergies now, like they're making it like, oh, you're just

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Speaker 1: being difficult or particular, and it's like No, this could

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Speaker 1: really be messing somebody up.

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Speaker 2: You're completely right. It has a stigma to it and

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Speaker 2: that's unfortunate. And you're right, it's propagated even by like

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Speaker 2: the movie industry, because I've seen it in movies even recently,

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Speaker 2: way after the nineties, Like I know, there was like

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Speaker 2: a Peter Rabbit movie where they were making fun of

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Speaker 2: food allergies and things. So that's the problem because people

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Speaker 2: kids see that and adult that and they think that's

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Speaker 2: they normalize that. So I completely agree with you, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's definitely a problem.

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Speaker 1: I think this episode is so so important because the

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Speaker 1: science communication that you're doing in order to shift perspectives

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Speaker 1: on allergies is really crucial because people are dying and

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Speaker 1: we have to take it more seriously. It should not

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Speaker 1: be the butt of a joke in right, in any

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Speaker 1: ad or in any movie. We should really be taking

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Speaker 1: it as serious as it's supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: Right. No, absolutely, And I want to thank you also

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Speaker 2: for doing a whole podcast episode on this because these conversations,

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Speaker 2: I think are how we will help kind of change

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Speaker 2: that narrative. So thank you, you know, for bringing attention

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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That was so informative to T

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Speaker 1: because I understand the immune system, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: I was really appreciating the allergies the way I should. Honestly, Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I think that that seems to be a common

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Speaker 1: theme with a lot of our labs this semester. It's

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Speaker 1: about reframing how we look at people, how we look

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Speaker 1: at pain, how we look at fear, how we look

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Speaker 1: at allergies, and really putting some respect on everybody's name,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Where it's just like our

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Speaker 1: lives are so complex. Everybody's got a lot of things

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Speaker 1: going on, and we just have to have like a

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Speaker 1: level of respect for folks and whatever they bring to

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Speaker 1: the table. You know that's right. If you see me

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Speaker 1: out here sneezing, just know that three hundred million years ago,

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Speaker 1: I would have survived a parasitic a tech because I

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Speaker 1: have a very active immune system. You damn right. You

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